>>102400380
Would a 7800 XT for 1080p be an overkill?

>>102400405
Yeah. But you could always upgrade your monitor in a couple of years.

>>102400405
1080p 60hz prob
1080p 240hz+ with reliable 240+ fps in modern stuff... not so much

>>102400405
no such thing as "overkill"
upscaling is a meme, 7800 XT will play everything at native 1080p

Hi Saars. Got a 6800xt for cheap from local policeman who moved to Moscow lol and mind to build new pc.

Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS ~190 usd
CPU: 7700 ~240 usd
Cooler: PentaWave Z06D or PCCooler RZ620 ~75 usd
RAM: Team Group 16x2 6000 CL30 (a-die) ~140 usd
GPU: ASRock 6800 XT Phantom Gaming ~300 usd
SSD: adata 960 1tb ~90usd
PSU: 1STPLAYER NGDP 850W gold ~120 usd
Case: Jonsbo D41 ~80 usd

Monitor: Redmi G 27 Pro (1440p/mini led/165ghz) ~270usd

Total ~1505 usd

Keyboard: Monsgeek m3 (~120 usd) + gateron yellow pro 3 (~25 usd) + pbt keycaps (~15 usd) . Total 160 USD

Mouse: ATK X1 Ultra ~80 usd

Is there actually an impatient demand for the 5090 or are people just bored?

>>102400529
>impatient demand for the 5090
says who?

>>102400529
People are impatient for 5090 news and drama. Only the lunatic fringe ever buy xx90 cards, but it's fun to read and hear about.

>>102400509
Put this in pcpartpicker and maybe I'll help you.
I'm not going to google each and every item to see what's better or not. But just at a glance you're going to want a slightly faster SSD and get a better quality PSU.

>>102400529
>is there demand
What century is this even?
The shill-mill will take care of generating the demand.

Anyone know some good speaker that are small? Kanto YU2 is too tall at 15CM. Looking for something smaller, like 10-11CM.

Does my 5600x bottleneck my rx6800?

>>102400509
its a fine build

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>>102400591
Windows is bottlenecking you pretty hard already on AMD.

>>102400546
>Only the lunatic fringe ever buy xx90 cards
These cards are the new X80 cards, these ain't your grandpa's X90 cards like the GTX 690.

>>102400621
>cropped half of a cherrypicked benchmark
lmao

>>102400626
Less than 1% of Steam users are rocking a 4090. Less than 1/2 of 1% are using a 3090. This is always the case and likely will continue to be the case.

>>102400682
Still more than all Radeon users combined.

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>>102400667
wintel cripples ryzen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wintel

>>102400704
Please re-commune with the shill hivemind for updates, the current cope is that Zen 5 was bad on purpose to boost Zen 4 sales to clear the stocks.

Wintel always wins baby!

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>>102400682
Approx 90% of those are poorfags or kids.

>>102400591
The 6800 bottlenecks the 5600X

>>102400883
No it doesn't. 12400F (OC) can handle 4080 Super.

>>102400866
doesn't change anything he said

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I have a AOC AGON AG271QG monitor.

It has a dedicated G-Sync module.

I feel like I am bound to Nvidia GPUs so I can take advantage of said module.

Thoughts?

should i burn 10 buckos on a trash GPU for my 2nd display?
putting in same GPU is causing screentearing somehow

>>102400883
Any CPU related soft, runs like, I think it does I'll probably update to new am5 was hoping I can hop straight to am6

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>>102400922
Get a better monitor.

>>102400940
runs like shit*

Can someone tell me if a Samsung 990 will work with this motherboard

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813131835

Yes my computer is 11 years old

>>102400925
Can't you just plug the second monitor to iGPU (assuming you have one)?

>>102400925
Why do you need two gpus to drive two displays?

>>102400954
Also I know the board has pcie 1x slots but idk if they're the wrong type or some shit. When I built my PC in 2013 we didn't even have this pcie SSD sheeeit mane I'm still running my 120gb sata SSD I paid $120 for

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>>102400962
>more stutters and fps drops
>finicky if refresh rates are different
>excuse to get more vram for aislop

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>>102400529
there's roughly 2k+ 4090 sold each month just on amazon. Thats about $4 million dollar each month and that's 2 years after launch.

>>102401012
Which Nvidia card do you have?

>>102401043
2070S

>>102400866
And? That just underscores the fact that very few people are buying xx90 cards. Most are buying 60s or 70s. And, using them 2 or 3 generations...or longer.

>>102401049
Yup, sounds about right.

>>102401062
i think most people who bought a 4090 used it for ai and productivity

>>102401039
Compare to 3060s and 4060s

>>102401079
You're probably right. I was saying the value of their number crunching in productivity is at least as important as how many frame you're getting in Roblox or whatever. Rendering, AI image enhancement like noise reduction... that's where they really shine.

>>102401115
was saying earlier*

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>>102400549
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yw3m4M
Okay, sir

>>102400954
>>102400977
That board does not include an M.2 slot and is old enough that I doubt has native NVME support either. You could look into PCIe-to-M.2 adapters but it's a junkball whether or not you could boot with one. I think the safest upgrade plan for you is to stick to another SATA SSD for this system. The good news is prices have dramatically fallen since you paid $120 for your 120GB drive awhile ago. Now for $89 you can get a 2TB drive instead:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QY3mP6/patriot-p210-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-p210s2tb25

Or take your pick of these:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#c1=di_sata.60&sort=ppgb&t=0
The other important thing to keep in mind is in real world applications you're aren't missing anything performance wise as there hasn't been much progress in low queue depth random read/writes and latency over the years that consumer workloads really leverage which is why in blind tests no one can pick out which systems with a SATA vs. NVME is which:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA

RX 6400 (low profile single slot) successor when?
RTX 4060 (low profile double slot) successor when?

>>102401132
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZdxbFs
Cheaper and better NVMe.
Cheaper case and comes with 2 fans already.
Different cooler.

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WTF? Does storage sense in Windows automatically clear out your directX shader cache. I have it set to unlimited in Nvidia driver but I noticed my games had to recompile again after a reboot I didn't change drivers or anything.

I'm going to buy a 7900 gre just to spite the shill

>>102400907
>>102401062
Why would you want to compare yourself with any of these people?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tZPgRK
You guys mind giving me a final sanity check before I pull the trigger?
There's a 4080 super for like £50 more than the 7900xtx but I think I actually lean slightly in favour of the xtx even at parity

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>will need some CPU cream
>find a local store that sells the cream
>will buy it tomorrow
Is there anything that I should know about CPU thermal pastes?
Will any kind do the job?
I found one called Arctic mx4. It says here:
>Better than Liquid Metal
>The ARCTIC MX-4 compound is composed of carbon micro-particles which lead to an extremely high thermal conductivity.

>>102401912
MX4 is old and also is not better than liquid metal

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now that denuvo got patched out of sw jedi survivor i got around to try it and jesus christ this runs like ass
I'm CPU limited on an 5800X3D and cant always keep 60fps in 1440p
and it just chews through VRAM

>>102401912
MX-4 is good enough. There are better options like MX-6 but you're getting like, 2-4C better temps for an extra $10. Not worth it imo.

>>102401932
It is better than liquid metal, because it won't fry your motherboard.

>>102401904
You can get the beefier frost commander cooler for less money on amazon.

>https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thermalright-FC140-Low-Profile-Cooler/dp/B0B8YS45HN?th=1

>>102400900
Reading comprehension

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>>102401947
It also has something called Stars 612 but I see it also has MX6 for £3 more than 4.
I am in a hurry so I don't have the patience to find the cheap price online and ship it and all that. It's a retail store.

>>102401965
nice, thanks

>>102401982
You can't go wrong with either one. Just get whatever is on hand then.

>>102401939
>slop is sloppy
Shocking revelation.

>>102401904
Personally would go for 6000MHz CL30 RAM instead. Cheaper too.
Get a smaller and cheaper SSD, you could always get more storage down the line rather than spend a lot now.

>>102401939
Does it gobble your dram?

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>>102401997
Thanx.

>>102401890
I never said what I have... but facts are facts whether they upset you or not.

>>102402051
np
Just keep in mind that thermal paste is something people freak out about when the thermal paste themselves are practically identical. Sure there are some that are like, 5% better than others but it's really not worth it for the price some companies like to sell these paste for.

>>102402017
>Personally would go for 6000MHz CL30 RAM instead. Cheaper too.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if CAS latency measures cycles and frequency represents speed then the practical latency of the two ram should be the same, right? i.e.
32/6400 = 30/6000
So the 6400 is just objectively better for only like £5 more?

The SSD input is good advice normally, but I already get pissed off way too regularly at how slow my hard drive is now and I know my current storage needs cap out at just over 2tb. Definitely could be optimised but I'm willing to pay to be lazy

>>102402084
The Zen 4 memory controller and the interactions with the Infinity Fabric clock do not play as nicely with >6000MHz RAM
You can make it work with manual tweaking but 6000 is the sweet spot where a user can just enable EXPO and be done with it

>>102402100
Ah ok that makes a lot of sensem thanks.

>>102402084
They're practically the same speed. But because its 6400MHz raw speed your CPU has a tougher time reaching those speeds. 64000MHzCL32 could be slightly faster but your average user isn't going to notice. Not only that you need to manually change timings since just enabling OC on those RAM sticks are a crapshoot. Either they work or you have to manually tweak it. Your average user isn't going to do that. But if you want to pay an extra 5 for it, then go ahead. Just know what you're getting into.

>>102401912
>le abused declawed&defanged cat

>>102401939
>I am CPU limited
>GPU at 100%

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With Arrow Lake/Z890 bumping up the maximum supported memory speed, how high do you think the new sweet spot memory speed will reach?
I'm considering buying a 7200MHz XMP kit now before the rush of new builds at Arrow Lake launch
That +1200MT/s for dual rank 1DPC looks great

why doesn't anyone recommend 7900XT ?

>>102402149
Yeah I'm a lazy bastard who just liked bigger numbers so the 6000 was the right choice

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>>102402268
you're correct, that shot was made in the menu
this is in game without upscaling and RT on
funnily enough disabling RT makes it shoot up to 80-90 fps, so it's just memetracing again

I really wish some monitors didn't have stupid looking stands. The specs are great, the price is great but the stand looking stupid as fuck is a deal breaker for me.

>>102402305
My bad. Shit sucks but, as a wise man once said, slop is sloppy.

>>102402316
Good news. You can, and should, replace your monitor stand with a VESA arm.

>>102402292
They do when the GRE is not available and you want something better than a 7800XT.

Noob here. What makes AMD better than Intel?

>>102402321
yeah, another AAAA slopfest
now that I think about it I can't even name a game that I could run at playable frames with RT on with my 3090
Doom 2 ran well path traced with DLAA, that shit is awesome

>>102402336
L3 cache is super fast & OP on CPUs and GPUs and AMD is the only people that can stack both on dies.

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>>102402084
>Correct me if I'm wrong but if CAS latency measures cycles and frequency represents speed then the practical latency of the two ram should be the same, right?
yes
you can always run 6400C32 RAM at 6000C30
keep in mind that the CAS latency is not that important all by itself, you need to look at all of the primary timings to determine how good a particular kit is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgb8N23tsfA
>>102402100
6200 is easy
6400 could be possible but you need to stress test it
6000 is not the "best" possible bin for AM5, but it is an easy choice for plug and play

>>102402336
Your fellow cult members will always offer you emotional support when you're feeling down.

>>102401939
Runs great on my 14700K and 4070Super, maxed with RT at 1440p with DLSS Q. Bout half way through now.

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>>102401939
>>102402305
The first Respawn Jedi game also ran like complete garbage

>>102401904
>I think I actually lean slightly in favour of the xtx even at parity
Moronic, there is no parity
Enjoy shitty drivers, bad RT, and of course FSR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfI9rmTnxe8&t=331s

>>102401881
Go for it
Post receipt or it didn't happen

>>102401132
Not worth buying a 7700 if you're just gaming

>>102402336
historically intel wanted to make chips on their own fabs but the fabs couldnt keep up with tsmc or samsung so amd could make better chips using tsmc
Now intel has already made laptop chips called lunar lake on tsmc so that advantage is not going to be relevant in the future.

>>102402439
They use the same tsmc nodes but the architecture is different. E cores and P cores are a scheduling nightmare which incur latency penalties that you don't experience with say a 7800X3D as it's all 8 threads sharing the same core complex.

>>102402470
amd then sharted that advantage by placing extra l3 only on 1 chip creating issues when they have 2 chips in the cpu.

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My online degree in thermo-fluid dynamics from the online university of American Samoa isn't up to task.

The current trendy aquarium cases are interesting enough that I might think about a build with one. Pic slightly related. The question is airflow. Presumably 3 intakes at the back, an AIO on the top as exhaust, another exhaust by the IO shield. Will airflow suffer from all the bends it's going to do inside the case? To me, it looks like air will stagnate under the GPU since it's almost blocked off from airflow.

>>102402484
Correct.
CPUs are evolving faster than software can keep up with. Even if you get a next gen something cpu it's for no point really if your game breaks above 180fps like Apex.

>>102402494
You are correct. Do not get these fish tank cases. Just get a glass side panel case if you want glass. And make sure to mount fans at the front.

>>102402494
>PSU shroud
>solid front
pick at most one

>>102402541
>>102402584
Fair enough. Thanks. I've done builds in a 4000D airflow and a 5000D airflow and temps are good. Cooling is my primary performance concern since heat will kill anything else.

>>102402608
Contrary to popular belief it's actually pretty hard to kill PC components with just heat. There's a lot of safety measures to stop that from happening.
Heat just makes a lot of fans spin up creating more sound.

>>102402608
What are you putting in there that'll actually cook itself instead of adjusting clocks based on thermal headroom?

>>102402632
>>102402639
I had a PC I admittedly neglected, and it was also at a time I smoked. Cooked 2 GPUs and even found some wiring that got so hot the insulation was brittle. Just my philosophy, but a PC with great airflow and lower fan speeds will be less annoying and will last longer. Your mileage may vary.

>>102402734
>and will last longer
Anecdotal. I bet if you compare a GPU in full load with temps at 50-60C for 10 years, 24/7 it will only slightly last longer than the same GPU running the same load but at 70C.

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Should I get the 750W or 850W Asus ROG Loki SFX-L PSU?
It's only $20 leafbucks difference but the much lower noise of the 750W version is tempting
I'm planning to use it with Core Ultra 7 265K and RTX 5080 so probably a combined 550W power draw just from those two if I max out both components simultaneously

>>102401912
mx4 is my favorite because it lasts the longest

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>current CPU has thermal paste from 2016
>temps and performance fine
Does the CPU cream last forever?

>>102402758
Again, just my philosophy and I'm sure a bit of paranoia on my part is involved. I just want a cool-running PC.

>>102402833
mx4 is designed to last at least 8 years. i think every other one is less.
also, define fine

Why is /g recommending Dell G2724D when Dell switches out panels with lower quality ones?

>>102402836
Yeah, okay. Just avoid these fish tank cases.
Also look at reviews for case temps.

>>102402855
PC hasn't died suddenly or got any shutdowns from heat.
Once my GPU stopped working though. I got lines on the monitor.

>>102400947
>better
name one because the ones in the OP aren't it

>>102402494
I have an o11d, it's a fishtank but it has bottom fans for GPU intake, works very well. A bit large though, but still fits on my table.

>>102402975
I remember buying this one, but it's too small to fit my thicc as fuck GPU. And I don't trust those 90 degree connectors. And I didn't want to spend another $60 for the vertical mount.

>>102402855
Is mx6 any better? In terms of thermal performance at least, hopefully with similar longevity.

>>102403123
See >>102402075

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>buying radeon

>rent free pajeet 4070 poorshill

I think one of the fans is fucked, on normal loads it feels like it spins with a slightly greater radius than the others, at high speeds it makes some sounds, I guess the screws are slightly loose? I at least hope that's just the case..

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>buying radeon

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>muh native
Always been unusable but even moreso today

>>102403323
>anonymous is one person
You're low IQ

Is it worth picking up a Rx 7900 gre over a Rx 7800xt?
Or should I go with sapphire or gigabyte?

>>102403441
Post receipt, I want to laugh

Is it a common issue for am5 systems to shutdown randomly on idle? I'm trying to figure out why i can run full stress tests for hours at a time but get the system to randomly shut off after just hours of browsing the web or doing nothing.

>>102403441
Entirely depends on the price difference. The GRE is the better card but not at near 7900xt prices for example.

>>102403456
No.

>>102403456
If you're undervolting, you'll need idle tests as well as powervirus stress ones like Prime 95.

>>102403426
>any kind of brandfaggoting
you're the low IQ one here

>>102403441
If the price difference is small, sure. The GRE also has really solid overclocking potential. A Vram OC especially can go a long way.
If there's a decent price gap and/or you're not planning on tweaking the card yourself at all, then I feel like the GRE becomes a bit less interesting.

>>102402290
At this moment no one gives a shit about RAM speed unless you’re messing with AIs.
I know because I’m messing with AIs and I REALLY need higher memory bandwidth.

>>102403456
only if you use curve optimizer

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>>102403519
>projecting
I don't brandfag, brandfag
I'm evidence based

E.g., the AA / indie Unreal game that I just started messing with doesn't have FSR or TSR (that I can see), only DLSS or TAA. DLSS Frame Gen and Reflex are supported. No Frame Gen for FSR users, and no Anti-Lag2.

>>102403820
whatever you say brandfaggot

>>102403456
No. Mine is rock solid with a decent undervolt.
Maybe if yo>>102403470
describe the problem in detail someone could help you.

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>>102400380
>8800XT = 4080 performance for $450
Where were you when AMD saved PC gaming?

im not getting a 7800x3d am i, its sold out everywhere

>>102403948
Nobody will buy it so even of that is true (which it isn't) it would not matter.

>>102403948
If it's true in raw performance and under 700 eurocredits I am instantly buying

>>102403994
You must become a better hunter

>>102403948
So Nvidia will release a $500 5070 with 4080 performance? Nice that's my next card then

>>102403948
sauce you brandfag

>>102404032
Probably wanna wait. The 7050 will deliver 5090 ti Super performance.

>>102403948
>4080 performance
if it matches the GRE I'm gonna be impressed

>>102403948
And no one will buy it because retarded brand loyalty.

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>>102403948
Any future graphics card releases from RTG are pointless unless they can get FSR's image quality close to DLSS's. FSR4 is RTG's chance to give their fans what Geforce users have had for four and a half years: better than native TAA image quality at higher performance. Hopefully FSR4 be both released and implemented in a few games to go with the launch of RX 8000, such that it can be scrutinized and be a selling point if it's good. Again, if RTG can't deliver either on image quality or release date, RX 8000 can be considered a flop to all but the most diehard, retarded AMD fanboys in existence

Furthermore, if FSR4 is decent, RTG needs to price its cards at maximum based on RT performance in Unreal Engine 5 hardware accelerated Lumen titles, not by raster performance. Otherwise, again, there's no reason even to consider a Radeon card, considering all the issues like a general lack of support (including FSR, AntiLag2) and a lack of equivalent features (e.g., Broadcast), and generally worse drivers (e.g., problems with game support and crashing and rendering errors in new games).

>>102403948
>8800xt matching the 4080
I keep seeing that but I thought AMD were planning on just doing mid ranged for the foreseeable future? I mean I have a 7900XTX and I think im gonna be comfy for the next 10 years

>>102404420
that is the mid range for next gen

is it better to watercool the 7900XTX? I feel like my nitro is cool enough at 35C

I pressed Ctrl+Win+Shift+B and the start menu told me a funny Microsoft joke

>>102404550
i did it and i won a 4090

>>102400691
>>102403307
>>102403414
>>102404249
Why are you all brown IRL nobody says radeon in USA Canada or EU they say AMD

>>102404563
AMD designs CPUs and GPUs
Only retards don't make the distinction

>>102404563
its what they're trained to say

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>OLED
>constantly on sale for $700
>99% sRGB
I'm seriously eyeing this right now, however I'm worried about burn in. Also I'm sure it will go down even further during BBFS.

>>102404602
>99% sRGB
On an oled? I cast doubt. That should be pushing well over 100% srgb as all these oleds do good hdr, for which srgb is not enough.

>>102404602
the only reason i don't buy one is because i will burn it in 3 months

>>102402918
>PC hasn't died suddenly or got any shutdowns from heat.
that is the loosest definition of "fine" i have ever heard

>>102404611
i think he meant color accuracy

>>102404616
People are saying new OLED tech has helped prevent burn ins. Still Apple stuck to IPS so you might be onto something.

>bought ups today because had a power outage in the morning
>set it up and connect my shit
>had another power outage
>didnt even notice
God, I should have gotten a UPS as soon as possible. This shit is amazing.

>>102404611
Nevermind its: 99.3% DCI-P3, 149% sRGB

Youtube grifters seems to say that this is the best one out of the big 3 QD-OLED brand(samshit LG).

>>102404662
Oh there's also a 3 year warranty which covers against burn in and dead pixels.

>>102404641
i use bob deinterlacing with old consoles through a scaler so even IPS is no-go for me.

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I built a PC back in 2016 and went back to PS5 for a while. I regret it and want to get a new PC build but I'm not familiar with new tech so I had some questions. I want something that can do 60 fps at upscaled 4k

1) in 2016, I got a i5 4690k and a 980 ti. Back then everyone said GPU is most important for performance. Has that changed? Do i need a stronger CPU now

2) is micro atx compatable/easy? or is it too much of a headache if I want to upgrade it and shit

>>102404749
GPU and CPU are both important. You shouldn't neglect one or the other.
Yes. As long as you're not building in a SFF case it's basically the same building process.

>>102404749
You'll need a new CPU, but GPU is still most important
Start here:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bMWzz6
If you need to go cheaper, drop to a 4070 Super

>>102404563
Radeon is that brand that Nvidia has paid good money to bury for 25 years, AMD are those people who make those CPUs so its harder to attack them, surely their GPUs are okay.

>>102404802
is there any precaution I should take with microatx? I feel atx has more expandability/future proofing

>>102404828
4070 Ti Super is also a good choice in between the two

>>102404850
Nothing really.
>I feel atx has more expandability/future proofing
Man, shut the fuck up about '''''''''''''''''''future proofing'''''''''''''''''''''''
There's no such thing.
Get a motherboard that suits your needs. If you need multiple PCIe slots then get one that has one. If you have no use for it then don't spend extra.

>>102404878
he wanna know if his next GPU upgrade will fit in and that's a valid concern.

Bros, I thought my motherboard was dead until I took 1 RAM out, and my PC booted. Now the one ram stick trick isn't booting. Was my Ram corrupted or some shit?

>>102404828
fuck, parts are still still expensive. I might have to buy used but theres always the risk of getting screwed

>>102404941
What's your budget?
If you need to go even cheaper, you can get an R5 5600 + used 3080 12 GB if you can find one cheap
Also what is your TV model

>>102404920
Like, it doesn't even post or doesn't boot into Windows? Most BIOS should have memtest in it. Add the two stick, boot to BIOS and then do a mem test.

>>102404986
It didn't even post. Then I took 1 stick out and I wasn't looking and the computer posted to BIOs. I restarted the PC again, and it doesn't even post anymore. Could it be the RAM stick or the slot? I tried the other slots, but it didn't POST either. Maybe it just randomly decided to work that one time?

Can someone explain to a retard bro like me why anyone would go for a higher end motherboard when they all do the same thing

>>102405021
its probably the slot, have you removed the bios battery and resetting the bios?

>>102405128
yeah. This was the first time the motherboard booted. I was just randomly playing Wukong, and the PC crashed and stopped booting. I thought it was the GPU since it was receiving no signal.

>>102405153
Wait, so it was working before?
I thought it was your first time booting it and was gonna say that it would need to train the memory.

>>102405165
yeah, it was working before it randomly crashed and stopped booting until I took 1 RAM Stick out, and then it randomly booted

>>102405179
And now with one RAM stick it's fine?

>>102404941
Here's a decent poorfag build for you. You could also go with a 7950 GRE if you don't like the idea of buying old hardware new, but it's a little more expensive and not faster.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hbmm4M

>>102405115
Primarily: moar i/o
Beyond that it will come down to secondary features the user finds useful, such as OC options, how the board looks etc etc

>>102405185
it was, but now it's having the same issue again with one RAM stick but it randomly booted once which is better than nothing

>>102405198
Your motherboard beeps or no beeps? Does it have debug lights?

>>102405214
It beeped that one time but now it’s just cycling through CPU,VGA and DRAM. That’s how I noticed it POST cause I heard the beep

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>>102400380
I am fully retarded help me build my pc
so far I have
AMD Ryzen 7 5700x 4.6ghz 8core Am4
Vetroo V5 CPU Air Cooler
any amd graphics card of around 8gb
a 1080p monitor preferably with built in speakers
new and durable parts preferably
under $100 dolla please, am an MX borderbro

meant a 1k dollars

>>102405287
So when you try to boot it just...cycle through the lights?

>>102405115
Onboard debugging LED display, more M.2 slots, better VRM cooling, heat sinks everywhere, built-in wifi and bluetooth, etc. Plus, LGBT lighting on some.

>>102405381
>>102405412
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Vdd34
$36 over, if you absolutely need it to be under $1000 I can change it up for you

Congrats to Sony, we have CONFIRMED that they have a game running in 4K while running 60fps, PSSR is better than DLSS and PRO will be more powerful than a 4090 with that RDNA 4 pipe.

Everytime I feel like building new PC I think of modern games and start wondering what can I even do with it.

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>>102405635
PS2 Emotion Engine and PS3 CELL were nightmares for programmers. the only people who actually got to use it to its full potential were Naughty Dog. People also forget that the reason Sony was so insistent on pushing their custom in the PS2 and PS3 was because they had plans to license out the Emotion Engine and Cell technology for other uses beyond video game consoles.

Kutaragi wanted the PS3 to ship with 1 cell as a cpu and 1 cell as a gpu. Mark Cerny is fucking insane for STILL having only himself know exactly how the PS3 worked and never sharing it with anyone aside from those secret CELL developers at Sony.

They were either falling behind in development, or realized that this was utter fucking stupidity, so they went plan B and asked Nvidia to give PS3's GeForce 7800 was also kind of old, being a pre-unified shaders design that was absolutely obsoleted within a year of the console's release by the 8800, bolted it on, and shipped it.

Mark Cerny wanted PS4 and PS5 to be AMD APUs because it was cheapest and easiest for programmers. any optimizations done for PS4 will just help PC get further ahead

>He points to an amusing video by Linus Tech Tips, which attempted to 'kill' the PlayStation 5 by building a $500 gaming PC that outperformed the console.

>"They had to get a used motherboard," he says. "That was the only way that they could build a PlayStation 5 equivalent for a PlayStation 5 price. And if you're using used parts… well you can get a used PlayStation 5 for eBay for $300-something.

FX-8350 @2GHz, a HD 7850 and a 5000 RPM hard drive are roughly equivalent to a PS4.

Ryzen 7 3700X and an RX5700 which are roughly equivalent to a PS5.

>TLDR
ps4 and ps5 are basically AMD PCs

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This is the error message i get from event viewer the moment my system shuts down, any idea on on what is causing it or how to stop it? on am5 and already stress tested ram and cpu

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What are the GOAT gpus and cpus?

>>102405663
i assume you are >>102403456
try going into the BIOS and setting advanced CPU settings > power supply idle control to "typical"

>>102405189
>specific states upscaling
>last gen radeon space heater
Retard

>>102405940
last gen nvidia were the space heaters

Ps5 pro will DESTROY the 5090

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>>102405986

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>>102405189
>>102405986
And don't forget the trash tier upsampling

>>102406031
>fake frames
lol lmao

>>102406040
every frame generated by an AMD card is fake

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>>102406040
He's literally asking for upsampling to 4K >>102404749
Nvidia is the only reasonable option

>>102406058
>upscaling
your card did not reach 4k

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>>102406070
The 3080 still hits 4K decently with DLSS
The 6800 XT is garbage for 4K because of FSR
DLSS > VRAM
Get shit on

>>102406107
logically it is not 4k, though

>>102406022
yes exactly, 3090ti 445W space heater

>>102405582
it's a different processor, yes I need it lower than my budget
I also forgot to say I want both a SSD and an HDD, any SSD as the main drive of over 256 or under 1Tb while the HDD I want it at 2Tb or !Tb if needed to downgrade
a non curved monitor, I don't like those, it doesn't need real high frame rate just one that won't stop working
a gold certified power supply would be nice but I can take the downgrade
I had this ASRock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB in mind as a video card, would you recommend?
I mostly don't know what motherboard to get or what case to put it all in, I don't care much about the rgb shit

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>>102406129
Who cares? DLSS is usually better than or equivalent to native in Quality mode, and Performance is what you use when you're on a budget, like anon. You don't go full retard and buy Radeon, which is far worse

>>102406130
No one's recommending the 3090 Ti, retard. There is a retard recommending the 6950 XT, which is a space heater

>>102406152
No there isnt. Making up and arguing against imaginary enemies is a symptom of schizophrenia

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>>102406220
Yes there is, retard. >>102405189
How can one little retard like you be so wrong?
Get shit on

>>102406232
When the whole world looks wrong, the observer himself is wrong

i just want a 5080 bros
GIVE ME THE CARD NVIDIA
I WILL PAY THE DOLLARS YOU WANT

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>>102406249
I guess that explains why the few vocal Radeon proponents in this thread are consistently full retards

Post your unpopular PC Building opinions

>>102404641
>Apple stuck to IPS
cuz oled has horrendous pwm

>>102406323
Everyone should have a separate boot drive.
But everyone seems to want one single NVMe.
What happens if your Windows install gets corrupted? Or you need to reinstall? You lose everything. Better to have that shit separate.

>>102406323
full atx builds are dumb

>>102406405
>Windows

>>102406419
Windows, Linux, whatever OS you retards use.
After I started playing around with servers I learned pretty quick to separate my boot drive to my storage drive. Makes having a clean install without getting everything from my backup easier.

>>102406539
storage should be its whole own computer on the network

>>102406595
I agree. That's why I have multiple machines in my server. 190TB and still going up.
But I understand that not a lot of people can just buy 2 computers. But they can at least buy two separate NVMes for boot and storage.

>>102406323
No one(other than AI devs) needs a 4090. A 4090 will never be like the 1080ti because the green jew will never allow it to happen again.

>>102406666
>>102406539

you can just partition

>>102406323
The 1080Ti wouldn't be considered a good GPU if it weren't for Nvidia jacking prices after the crypto market of 2017

My iCUE 5000X left panel shattered. I can't order the panel due to my location. Is there alternative that i could use that isn't tempered glass?

>>102406713
partitioning doesnt help you when a drive fails

Well it took 5 fucking hours but i finally finished a 4090 build. By far the hardest PC I've ever built. I had to angle the 4090 in there diagonally for it to fit! Case is a Be Quiet Pure 500DX.
GPU fans were making a loud clicking noise. I though a cable got caught. It turns out the 4090 is so fucking heavy that it was sagging and pressing against the metal shroud between the mobo & PSU. I put a little spacer in there to hold it up.
The recommended PSU wattage was 1000W, but I should be fine at 850W if I don't OC right?

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Techlet here, I'm looking at a prebuild(yeah I know) with these parts at about 2k sgd(~1.5k freedom bucks), not including the monitor which I already have. Gonna use it for 3D modelling/animation and playing not-AAA games on moderate settings, is there anything I should change out/look out for?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N7grz6

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What's the go-to program to see your stats and temps nowadays? Is there a windows tool to check?
I think you can see some bits in the BIOS.

>>102400380
good pc for streaming and gaming? my budget is 3k and i’m in usa. i’m waiting for 15 gen intel and rtx 50 but i think the nvidia isnt coming until next year since i haven’t seen any news so i want one now or near holiday seasons
ill also get the 14900k if 15 doesn’t come holidays

>>102407170
hwinfo64

>>102407135
>The recommended PSU wattage was 1000W, but I should be fine at 850W if I don't OC right?
1000W is needed only if you have a 300W intel housefire
otherwise 750w will be enough

>>102407325
awesome, i just have a budget Ryzen. thanks!

>>102407369
>budget ryzen paired with a 4090
why?

>>102407378
AI
all i really need is VRAM

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>>102402494
I don't like these, doesn't sit right with me that the intake is just shooting air into a glass wall. Personally, I would put it on the side, with the glass facing up, and hide the PSU behind the mobo. Make the airflow from side to side. Offer a glass panel option for the queers and a solid panel option for the gamers who want a warm foot rest.

>>102407278
Can I use these to see power PSU consumption of components?

>>102407578
it tells you voltages but you're not really able to do power consumption for everything as you don't have amperage or resistance values, it does show some wattages however.

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Is my CPU going to die? I have a double fan air cooler on it and it's set to auto-overclock in MSI BIOS settings. Save me, 4chan elite hackeru...

>>102407632
>auto-overclock in MSI BIOS settings
NEVER use BIOS auto-overclocking
with that said, you have a 7800X3D so you probably just enabled PBO or something

>>102407655
Yes PBO is what I meant.

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how did I do, will this build burn?
will everything fit, will it run, will I be throttled, anything I'm missing?
I need help please it's my first build

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>>102407661
then it's fine
your CPU should do around 4.8 GHz all core

>>102407632
I'm also thinking I didn't put enough thermal paste on

>>102407672
I'm worried about the high temp. Max temp is meant to be 89.

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>>102407679
does it do 80 C just sitting idle? reaching max temp under high load is normal, there's no reason to leave thermal headroom on the table

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my cpu, a 9400f died the other day, anything bringing it to ~80% load crashed the pc. on the local equivalent of amazon I saw 9700k and 9900k going for $200 and $400 respectively, but I found a CC150 going for $85, so I opted for that instead. out of the prebuilt PC I bought half a decade ago, only the case and motherboard remains. feels good, the next time I upgrade I'll do a completely new build, everything here has been stretched to its limit.

>>102407695
No only under load, but I am not expecting it to get that close to maximum rate temp under load.

>>102407703
you need to learn how modern CPUs work then
87 C with PBO is normal

>>102407662
Why not build a DDR5 build?

>>102407662
it looks good

>>102407707
Anything I can read to calm my nerves

>>102407735
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/ryzen-7600x-and-7950x-review-zen-4-starts-off-expensive-but-impressive/3/#h1
>With the new AM5 socket and higher TDP, most processors will run into a thermal wall before they hit a power wall. You will therefore see the Ryzen 7000 series, especially the higher core count variants, reside at TJMax (about 95 degrees Celsius for the Ryzen 7000 series) when running intense multithreaded workloads like Cinebench nt. This behavior is intended and by design.

think of it this way: the CPU will keep boosting until it hits a power, current, voltage or temperature limit
with PBO you've removed the power and current limiters which leaves only the voltage and temperature limiters
you are never hitting max voltage in an all core load which means the CPU will keep boosting until it hits the only remaining limit, the temperature limit (89 C)

if you want lower temperatures set a more reasonable power limit

>>102407695
How is the 7600 that high

I had a PSU go and the overcurrent protection failed so it melted the RGB and 4-pin fan wire coverings. The computer shop and corsair agreed it was manufacturer and not user error and I got money back and it works fine with new PSU, but this now means that the 4 case fans to the hub can only be controlled with the manual bar on the front panel. The sync button no longer works because that requires the 4-pin PWM wire, which is fucked and therefore unplugged. Every other wire is larger and didn't get damaged, and all the other components are working well. I have a 7800 X3D CPU and a 4070 Ti Super GPU. The CPU is showing expected idle temps of 38 degrees celsius when the fan bar is on a quiet setting of 2. For gaming, I just turn the fan bar up to full blast of 5 and then load the game and the temps are fine.

My problem is spikes. When I load something high load without knowing it's high load (who knew pycharm could briefly spike your CPU to 75 degrees on start up?), I get these big spikes before I go "Oh shit!" and then press the case fan bar up and it goes back down to a stable 38 degrees. Obviously CPUs throttle themselves when the temps get too high, but am I shortening the life of the CPU by not having motherboard sync for the case fans? For gaming it's easy, because you just put it on full beforehand as you KNOW games have a high load. It's the sneaky poorly optimized programs that are catching me out, as they have big load on start up. Am I fucked? I'm trying to make do given everything else works fine, and the CPU is performing normally during idle and when gaming (though I am somewhat throttled because I'm playing on a 1080p monitor at the moment so the CPU does more work than the GPU, and the GPU is very cool).

>>102407698
Wtf I didn't know that worked on consumer lga1151
Clocks are bad but good find

>>102407749
same reason
tiny die, high clocks

>>102407749
it has less cores so the cores can boost higher (read: higher voltage) before hitting power limit

>>102407750
stop fucking buying corsair shit, the only components I had just randomly die (not due to user error like you said) have been corsair.

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https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-and-gigabyte-preparing-over-47-motherboards-with-z890-chipset
>Over 47 boards from just GB & Asus
>Not even including MSI or Asrock
I feel a little bad for HUBSteve

>>102407789
They're also just supposed to die safe as well.

>>102407814
in reality there is like 7-14 boards the rest is feature segmentation with same BIOS and PCB layouts

>>102407814
There are at most 2 boards per manufacturer I'd even have interest in
mITX chads rise up

>>102407716
to expensive for me, my logic is there will be used DDR4 AM4 parts for cheap later when mine fail, my All in one is about to die (10+ years) and I can't wait around
or I could just be retarded and regret it later

>>102407948
>in reality there is like 7-14 boards the rest is feature segmentation with same BIOS and PCB layouts
Is it really cheaper to produce, ship, and support several dozen flavors of the same 3-4 boards separated by 5-10$ price segments from $90 to $800 than just making a ton of those same 3-4 general boards and just lower the price gap between them?

>>102408053
wider market coverage= higher volume, boards are made by machines these days anyway

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>silverstone ps16
anyone in here had/has one of these? feel like getting a boomer case for my shit build instead of this massive expensive case I have for whatever reason but I'm not sure about it's build quality and all. it looks kind of cool minus the stupid ridge on top

>>102408068
Alright.

>>102408075
Silverstone cases are known to be good in the build quality department.

>>102407814
>ultra premium high end pro gaymer board
>one (1) expansion slot
lol
lmao even

It has been 3 years plus since using the 3080ti and its age is finally starting to show where it is chugging at 1440p120. Is it finally time to upgrade to the 4090? Or just wait for the 5000 series?

>>102408223
Wait for the 5000 series at this point.

>>102408292
Ok

>>102408318
buy two 4090s

>>102408335
I don't think dual GPUs have been a thing for gaming for awhile now.

will i have to upgrade to a 4k monitor when i get the 5090?

>>102408421
Actually, if you don't give a shit about 4k, what's the highest you should go in GPUs? Let's say you only use a 1080p monitor and don't give a crap. What should you get to play 99% of games stably on reasonable high settings?

>>102408362
give one away

>>102408431
7900XTX

>>102408431
we've had that since the 1060 6gb

>>102408431
Just get the 5080 instead of the 5090

>>102408431
Always future proof your rig especially now that devs are becoming more and more lazy and relying on upscaling to fix their shit. Get a 5090 to be safe for 144hz 1080p gaming for the next 3 years.

consume product

There's no reason to go above 120-144hz in any game but I still want good BFI in w/e form. What monitor should I get?
Maximum I'm willing to go for is 1440p 27 inch.
Curved display is a no no, likewise ultrawide.

>>102408431
4070 Super and its equivalent with AMD and future Nvidia.

I'm considering buying a second-hand mini ThinkStation because it's so cheap. Specs:
>Intel Core i7-8700
>Nvidia Quadro P620 (2GB of RAM but it can apparently run four 4K monitors at 60 FPS)
>32 GB RAM
I have one 4K monitor. How well do you think basic games like Minecraft, Team Fortress 2, Sven Co-op and Postal 2 will perform?

>>102408859
i7 8700+32gb ram doesnt sound bad honestly, you can always plop in a new gpu. As far as i can see based on Passmark, that quadro is on an RX560 level, which is fairly old by now, but for those games I think it's still good.
It all depends on the price, really.

>>102408859
>>102408957 (me)
>4k monitor
sorry I skipped over this part, that might be too much for the poor quadro in games, minecraft and lighter ones should work though

>>102408957
>It all depends on the price, really.
It's $200 AUD ($137.79 freedom dollars), which I think is a bargain but I could just be retarded.
>>102408971
Unfortunate. Not a complete dealbreaker but I do admittedly miss TF2.

>>102408089
too bad they're nearly impossible to find in my country for a reasonable price, that motherfucker I posted costs here about as much as that new meshed matx by lian li which objectively is a much better case but I really want something that looks like it was made in the late 00s minus certain shitty aspects of that time such as aggressive gamer design, acrylic windows, LED's and usb 2.0s

>>102409011
the price is fair, not a bargain but not a scam either

>>102409011
it will run tf2 fine. turn the resolution down to 1080p if you get less than 120 fps

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>CPU advertised as 3.5ghz base to 4.4 oc
Is it safe to set it halfway at 4ghz?
Is oc bioscience when it comes to games?

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Anybody knows what the fuck is up with logitech?
I've been using g502 for a while, got a new one after the first one kicked the bucket. I like it.
But now I find out that they made a wireless version and think "well maybe it's time to try something new", I go to their website and I see this shit.
Wtf is the difference??? Also, are they even good? Did logitech resolve their issues with switches?
Would appreciate some advice here.

>>102409081
What cpu? I doubt it actually lists the 4.4ghz figure as OC, more likely boost which is different.

>>102409096
Get the wireless 70something. It's goat and not bloated.

>>102409096
they just up the margins on wireless mice a lot
I would say 60€ is reasonable

>>102409107
Ryzen 5 5600. What is boost? Is it worth it to try. Oc or boost for general use?

>>102409145
it means it runs at 4.4 GHz by default and 4.65 when you enable pbo

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What's the modern equivalent of the 980gtx+4690k combo? You know, top end but sensible.

>>102409145
it means it will run no slower than 3.5ghz and when thermals and power permit run up to 4.4ghz. This is default behaviour and there is no reason to mess with it.

>>102409190
7800x3d and 4080

>>102409192
if you want more cpu power just go buy 9950x3d after all
some cut down shit ass die from 5 years ago is suboptimal

>>102409192
>>102409165
Ah right. I thought it was like back in the day when they advertised just one value not a range.
>>102409206
It's fine. I am replacing a CPU from 2015. I'll be ok.

>>102409200
avoid intel?

>>102409231
if you want a decent intel cpu you need to wait for 2025

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>>102409206
>9950x3d
Utilization category?
>>102409231
yes for now. you can wait and see what arrow lake is like

>>102409200
One of the bosses at work out of the blue asked me to look into getting him a gaming rig for 2700usd or 4k dollarydoos. Been a while since I built anything my machine has 1080ti's

>>102409239
Bartlett lake won't have avx512 though

>>102409272
>>102409272
>>102409272

>>102409096
Apparently the price increase is because they finally upped the quality of the switches but it is still at a markup.

>>102406267
>RX580 is above the 1080 and 1080ti on the steam hardware survey now
crazy world

Which old second hand monitor 1080p with at least 144hz and good BFI I could buy in order to peel its matte coating without feeling bad?

>>102400558
This. Cant wait for the 5080ti being rec'd as minimum for 1080p on the sticky next quarter.