sex with lain

>>102728182
This is a man’s pc

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look at this power hungry garbage

Fuck AMD

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>>102728182
I need help overcoming my crippling paranoia from this new computer. It originally had a 13th gen Intel CPU before it became public knowledge that they were dogshit, so I suffered from a million BSODs that I still have trauma from. Of course it's worked perfectly fine since replacing it with a 12th gen but still, there's a multitude of other future problems like when will the SSD crap out or will my GPU catch on fire. Hell I've barely even gamed on here despite it being more than capable of running triple-A titles.

We live in the worst times to put a computer together because quality control is no longer important to major manufacturers.

Fuck AMD
Fuck Intel
Fuck Nvidia

So uhm. What do I do with my old parts?

>>102728206
computers were a lot more finicky in the late 90s early 2000s
you have no perspective on this matter

>>102728182
>chrome
>spotify
>discord
>activate windows

>>102728206
did you apply the bios update?

>>102728233
put them in the cheapest fishtank case with RGB and sell it to a 10 year old

>>102728254
>did you apply the bios update?
No point. The 13th gen is physically fucked so now I keep it as a memento of failure.

>>102728267
I guess

>>102728267
Get a replacement CPU.
Intel's a large enough company to send you a new replacement.

>>102728309
Already ahead of you. Went with a 12th gen from a friend's recommendation because those still work perfectly. And if I had listened to him before I initially ordered all the parts then I would've never had to deal with the 13th gen.

Is the Phantom Spirit fan alone enough for an i7-13K with a 4070 TI super or am I going to catch my case on fire without more fans in there?

>>102728227
based

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6gYDZ
Aside from Intel is there anything horrifically wrong with this build? I'd like to get the best RAM but the designations always confuse me.

>>102728452
Spend an extra $20 on the Gaming variant of the Gigabyte 4070 Super and use the Quiet BIOS

Why are mediatek wifi chips so shit?

>>102728240
How much worse would PTM7950 be on CPUs with an IHS
Are we talking 1-3C or 10-30%

Please recommend me a 1000 watt uninterruptible power supply. Electricity has been getting more and more unstable here lately..

>>102728480
people demand cheap shit so manufacturers oblige

>>102728518
apc

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>>102728468
I looked at my budget and I actually have enough to get the Gaming Gigabyte 4080 Super
Do you think I can get away with just the Phantom Spirit and case fans for cooling?

>>102728634
Give me some money

i have 500€ worth of pc parts in my basket on amazon and they went down by a grand total of 10€ (only the 2 ssd's changed in price), thank you jeff bezos for fucking my wife on prime day

>>102728182
kuromi seggs

Can you use the Microsoft activation scripts to activate office 365? Or only 21 and lower?

what do i need to be able to play GTA 6 when it comes out? A PS5 for 500 dollars? cool
nice rgb ram, fags

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-200-arrow-lake-s-to-offer-9-ipc-gain-on-p-cores-and-32-on-e-cores

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

POOZEN5 BTFO

Worth it to replace single rank 3600 C18 RAM with dual rank 3200 C16?
would cost £20 extra plus the hassle of selling the old kit

>>102728930
no

worth spending an extra 25 shekelcoins for SN850X ssd over SN770?

>>102728930
Ryzen non-3d or intel, yes
Dual rank ddr4 is significantly faster than single rank

>>102728452
You could get 6400mhz cl32 ram instead but you could also just not use intel lol, also rm750e is not a great power supply but it will work

>>102728930
no
>>102728993
if by significantly you mean 1-2%

>>102728981
won't notice unless you regularly transfer massive files

Thinking of upgrading my 5600x to a 5700x3d for gaming and make my am4 system last. Can either get it in store for 155 or for 123 on ali if i want to gamble. Didn't realize they stopped making the 5800x3d. Worth it?

>>102729049
yeah I would say it is worth it, and either way you can sell your old cpu to recoup some of the cost

>>102729049
5500x3d soon if you're not in a rush

>>102729021
15% better 1% lows is not unusual
Single rank ddr4 is just that bad

So is Prime Day a flop?

>>102729106
never hasn't been

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Release date when?

>>102729106
No improvement from last July

>Arrowlake 9% IPC gain
>5% clock regression
We got too cocky intel bros...

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>>102729233
>Core ultra -2% 285k
>Zen5% 9700x
We must be living in a simulation

>>102728206
my ssd with os has been running since 2011, just don't write on it unless you have to, keep your parts cool and they will last forever.

wd and kingston are still reliable brands.

>>102729246
Erm, less fps?

>>102729246
>450W
intel'ahayot... not like this...

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>>102729289

Does the 4080 super perform better than the 3090 ti

>>102728930
How do you know the 3200C16 kit is dual rank?

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Here's you safety-critical system computer for after you've survived the chinese space heater and the Boeing plane, bro.

>>102729106
I bought a 7600x, SN850x, G.skill 32gb CL30 and corsaire RM750e

>>102729246
Maybe they should just go back to 14nm.

Is this the kit to get for Intel Arrow Lake?
Should I chance it with 7200CL34? I'd be running it on a mITX so I do get some stability benefits having only 2 DIMM slots

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>>102729511
fug forgot pic
leafbucks btw

>>102729511
Just wait for CUDIMM 9600MT/s kits.

>>102729531
these things will cost a fortune

>>102729313
That has to be total system power, 14900k doesn't even pull that without ln2

To buy or not to buy Arrow Lake?

>>102729560
The only firm answers this question will get will be from shills

>>102729361
Yes.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/events/ces/

Tune in to the CES opening keynote by NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang live in Las Vegas on Monday, January 6, at 6:30 p.m. PT.

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

>>102729364
listed in the specs for this specific kit
KF432C16BB1K2/32

>>102729629
5090 25Q1 launch confirmed

>>102729629
>watch the capitol riots 2.0 after Trump loses.
>watch Jensen announce the $3000 5090
should be an entertaining week

>>102729659
5090 & 5080 end of Oct announcement; end of Nov launch
5070 & below CES announcement; Feb launch

Trust the plan

>>102729511
>>102729524
We don't know for sure what the RAM ceiling or sweet spot will be so I wouldn't commit to anything until release. Though FWIW anything ≥6GT/s and ≤10ns 1st word latency will be Hynix based so you'll get a pretty consistent volt/frequency curve on either one. That is to say that if it's unstable at 7200 you should be able to clock it down to 7000/6800/6400 and tighten things up.

>>102729676
copium

5060 16gb vram with 4070 ti super performance at $400 you heard it here first

>>102729631
Alright that looks legit, thanks. To answer your question I'll need a little more information.
>Would you be doing this upgrade anyway i.e. you have 16GB and need 32GB?
>Are you running AMD or Intel?
>Where is the "extra £20" coming from? Is it the difference between that Kingston and the cheapest 2x16GB 3200C16 kit?

>still no RDNA4 announcement
What the fuck are AMD doing?

>>102729772
now that's supreme copium

>>102729772
Spamming fud about arrowlake to distract from zen5%

>>102728810
I've literally never even played V, don't see any reason to touch VI either.

>>102729620
Cool, my 3090 ti died on me in a thunderstorm and I only had enough money for a 4080 super

SSD choices are giving me analysis paralysis
please help

>>102729755
Even if the performance is only base 4070 tier I'll take it.

>>102729761
I went from 16GB to the 32GB SR Corsair kit recently as a planned final AM4 build
The Kingston kit is £50, I can get my £30 back from the SR Corsair kit easily which is the £20 difference

>>102729802
>Desired capacity?
>Intended uses?
>Country?

>>102729802
sn770 for value and good performance, sn850x or samsung 990pro if budget doesn't matter

>>102729772
Trying their hardest to beat nvidias entry level cards to delude chinashit fans they're a legitimate graphics company

>>102729802
I got an SK Hynix P41 2TB for a bit cheaper than a WD SN850X
Also getting a 2TB Teamgroup MP44 as a secondary drive

>>102729761
Also currently using a 3600 but plan on a 5500x3d/5700x3d soon

>>102729755
>>102729809
if you're lucky it will equal the 4060ti and they'll be using the 3gb density GDDR7 chips

>>102729755
Might be the most deluded prediction I've seen
5060 8gb will be 450 with 4070 performance

>>102729802
cache is mostly meme, when choosing between 2tb non cache and 1tb with cache, always pick the 2tb non cache

cache doesn't help with reads
it doesn't help with big writes either which is the only situation you have to wait for your ssd to do something
cache only helps with small writes but those are so quick anyway you will not notice any difference

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>>102728182
Cheapest motherboard for i3-1200 with onboard wifi & bluetooth?

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>>102729815
>>102729863
Okay in that case I'd say it's not worth it. Reason being that the 3200 kit would reduce your FCLK - basically making the dual rank benefit a wash (application dependent ofc).
If you wanted an "actual" upgrade I'd say you'd need a 3600C16 DR kit but even then the value would be questionable. Especially with an X3D chip with reduced memory scaling.
Just for reference, I have a 5800X3D and noticed no difference when I upgraded to 3600C16 DR. I wasn't looking for DR just happened to "win" the Corsair IC lottery.

>>102729885
I'd say that's more like where the 5060ti will land

>>102729755
That would mean doubling the performance of the 4060. What are you smoking bro

>>102729798
rma the 3090ti and receive a 4090 replacement anon

>Zen 5% is doa
>Barrow Lake is doa
>7800X3D is $100 more expensive than a month ago
waitsisters...
we lost...

>>102730093
Wait for the 9800x3d

>>102729817
>>102729832
>>102729856
>>102729923
I want a 1TB NVME with DRAM
Two priorities are reliability (total tb written?) and cost (lower the better)
I don't care about speed that much because I doubt I'll notice the difference between 4000, 5000, and 7000.
TEAMGROUP T-Force CARDEA Zero Z440 looks perfect for me because:
>$70
>DRAM
>1800 TBW
but I'm worried because it's so much cheaper than other choices

>>102730111
Forgot to mention it'll be used as an OS drive + 2 games
Prefer to buy on Amazon (US)

wd 770 for £92 or wd 850x for £112? Is the upsell worth it? Gonna be used for my main drive.

>>102728390
I'd at least put a rear exhaust to keep the air moving out and not just convecting in the case.

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your choice?

>>102730187
passive convection

CALL ME RETARDED FOR THIS
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fzgCBL
THIS IS ALL THAT I CAN FIND IN NEW ZEALAND
FUCK THESE RAM PRICES

>>102730203
Go am4 if all you want is a 4060

I want to upgrade my budget build for 1080p gaming:
>CPU: intel i5 8600K 3.60GHz
>GPU: GTX 1060 3GB
>RAM: 2x 8GB DDR4
>Screen: ASUS VZ279HE-W
>PSU: Seasonic FOCUS GX 550W
My first step is upgrading the GPU and PSU, and looking at my budget options everything points to RX 7600 XT 16GB right now, and upping the PSU to 750W. My local shop is selling the 7600 at 360€ right now.
Keeping in mind that this is a budget desktop, is there any reason to put down the extra money for 4060TI 16GB? The price on that one is 460€ in the same shop right now. I will of course wait a month to see if I can snipe any black friday deals.

>>102730111
sn850x

Really, how bad does 1440p look on a 4k display?

>>102730111
>NVME with DRAM
>games
Onboard DRAM isn't strictly necessary for this application because NVMe drives can use your system RAM for caching (called HMB or Host Memory Buffer). Onboard DRAM is still found on the top spec drives because it's slightly faster but not in a way that'll be noticeable for your load times.

>reliability (total tb written?)
It'd be more accurate to call that durability. In that case you'll want TLC NAND which is what I'd recommend for an OS drive anyway.

Here's the filters I'll use to find the best deal:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#c1=di_m2.pcie_40_x4&A=1000000000000,24000000000000&sort=price&page=1

Just going down the list, these ones jump out at me:
>Team MP44L $57
Standard mid-spec HMB drive with mainstream components and high layer TLC NAND. A good fit for a standard gaming PC.

>Lexar NM790 $63
A slight step up from the Team Group drive. Still uses HMB but the Controller+NAND combo is fast enough to almost saturate the PCIe4x4 bus.

>WD SN770 $73
A step down in raw throughput but WD's HMB+SLC caching implementation is really good at sustained writes. This is the highest spec drive I'd recommend for a budget-constrained gaming system.

>MSI M480 PRO $75
Cheapest "top spec" drive I can see. Phison E18 controller (uses onboard DRAM), high layer count, 7000/7000 sequential. This is a common combination so the best deals will vary by the day.

>WD SN850X $80
This and the 990PRO are the "technical best" PCIe 4 drives. Overkill for gaming alone but an option if you're not limited by budget.

Also, here's the spreadsheet we use for drive specs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit?gid=0#gid=0

>>102730272
Get a 3060 12gb
Don't upgrade psu
Use saved funds on a new cpu/ram/mobo

>>102729049
I recently got the 5700X3D from AliExpress to Australia. Everything's good. Can't test how much better it is because I'm RMAing my GPU atm. Probably never will test it desu, enough tests online.

>>102730203
why the fuck did you set the prices manually instead of letting pcpp give them?
Makes it annoying as fuck to compare prices for shit, as such I'm going to disregard prices coming into advice
Get a different gpu, 4060 is shit for the money, since you picked a 4k monitor you likely want to use DLSS so go for 16gb 4060 ti
get 6000 CL30 ram
Probably want a different PSU

>>102730293
not ideal but everything uses smeared taa these days anyways so you can hardly tell the difference

>>102730281
The TBW rating for this drive is barely 600T
>>102730299
Google says DRAM helps with longevity (durability) because Windows constantly writes shit to the drive or something.
Durability is important to me
The SN850X is only rated for 600TBW which sorta scares me

>>102730272
Look at second hand market
don't upgrade PSU
you might need to upgrade your CPU (and thus mobo) too
>RX 7600 XT 16GB
Unless you want to do RT (which you can't really do), 7600XT offers very little over 7600. Just opt for the 7600 instead of you want to go that route. 6650XT is also an interesting option, check prices for that compared to the 7600, they're pretty neck and neck

>>102729049
What gpu do you have?

I have i7-6700K and I'd expect any current gen CPU would gain huge improvements, should I go for Intel (not 13-14) or AMD?
I haven't kept up my knowledge about trends.

maybe not the best place to ask but has anyone experimented with handheld PCs like the Steam deck or the Rog ally? My build is getting a bit old and I think if the next gen of handheld PC is a big improvement on the current I might invest into the steam deck 2 or Rog ally 2 as a desktop replacement.
How hard is it to take apart and change the joysticks/add ssd or ram if anyone gave it a go?

>>102730187
positive because I'm not a retard

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>>102728227
and yet you are using them, got it

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>>102730431
>t.

>>102730423
In my opinion, unless you're building the system for someone who doesn't know about computers or you already have a preexisting motherboard you can slot a newer CPU in, you gain too much value from going AM5 due to the possibility of slotting in a new CPU in the future for minimal cost. They said they're supporting it until at least 2027.
Yes, you can get a system with about equivalent performance for like 50 bucks less if you go AM4 or Alder Lake, but you'll end up paying like 450$ rather than 150-200$ if you ever decide to upgrade. DDR5 is no longer the "new shiny gimmick", it's basically the standard now.

>>102730454
you know avoiding this is the reason to go positive pressure right?

>>102730398
>Google says DRAM helps with longevity (durability) because Windows constantly writes shit to the drive or something.
This is true for SATA drives but not NVMe models equipped with HMB (which is the norm). Reason being that the cache doesn't actually store (much) data but rather the Flash Translation Layer (FTL). Basically a spreadsheet of "location on the drive" vs. "location on the filesystem". When any file is changed, as the OS is wont to do, that list needs to be updated - on a true DRAMless drive that means writing to the NAND but on a HMB drive it's just writing to your system memory.

>The SN850X is only rated for 600TBW which sorta scares me
That's standard for 1TB TLC drives and likely way more than you'll ever use. You might see a little higher TBW on other consumer drives but frankly it's more a matter of testing method than actual differences.
For reference, if you write 100GB a day, an astronomical amount for a consumer, the NAND would last 16 years. 99% chance you ditch it long before that.

I got G502 Hero mouse on recommendation from here. Run smoothly no problem, but the only hiccup is when I do online events like the GTA heists where it abruptly doesn't provide inputs for one second or two.

Is it related to the software for Mouse configuration? Or just a fault of the game?

>>102729305
Pray that intel doesnt alter the deal any further

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>>102729246
Zen 4 & 12th Gen Alder Lake (both released in 2022) will go down as the last meaningful x86 CPUs at this rate. Neither AMD or Intel seem capable of overcoming their performance without huge instability issues, power consumption hits, or other radical architecture redesigns that either result in rounding error improvements or outright regressions for huge price increases in either the chips themselves or associated platform cost (Mobo/DDR5 RAM). There won't be a refresh in 2025 from either company as well IIRC, so it will be 2026 before Zen 6 & Nova Lake will get a chance at delivering something that completely supersedes them. THAT'S 4 YEARS TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING BETTER.

What a disappointment, Maybe the 12 P-Core Only Bartlett Lake in Q1 can offer some semblance of excitement again by sheer brute force for the money. Intel should have just let TSMC die shrunk Raptor Lake.

>>102730423
right now its best to wait because on the AMD side Zen5 only had a 5% uplift over Zen4 in games, the 7800X3D is out of stock, the 9800X3D hasn't been released yet.
On the Intel side the 13th and 14th gen had degradation issues that they've only just patched in bios but Arrow lake is about to come out and might be okay.

>>102730454
that's what neutral pressure gives you

>>102730498
Thanks for the DRAM/HMB explanation
The Z440 is still cheaper than the SN850X though. Do I get anything else apart from faster speeds?

So between Nvidia and AMD, which one usually supports their cards longer?
I am split between either getting the RTX 3050 or the RX 6600. I know the latter is better for gaming, but Nvidia is also much better for productivity and I want to play around with blender a bit. Not to mention it's a bit cheaper where I live as well.

>>102730545
Go with what card provides the best production results. Nvidia provides long lasting updates on the side.

>>102730476
> you know avoiding this is the reason to go positive pressure right?
yes I'm retarded and mixed up positive/negative pressure in my head

>>102730506
>when I do online events like the GTA heists where it abruptly doesn't provide inputs for one second or two.
if it's nowhere else, it'll 100% be the game
been too long since I've done heists but there were some wacky things with inputs as far as I remember

>>102730545
I don't think you should be looking at the 3050 at all, get a 3060 12gb.

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>>102728244
>he recognizes these programs
fag

>>102729106
for poorfags, yes
for normalfags, sort of but mostly no

>>102730524
they said this during the 70s as well

>>102730631
I am working on a pretty tight budget. Honestly , I was even going to go lower than those two before but decided against it because most lower tier stuff was too overpriced in comparison to what they offered. I don't want to go any higher than that and quite honestly I am almost definitely not going to need it.

>>102730635
front intake, top exhaust, rear exhaust, orient CPU cooler fans to blow towards rear

>>102730541
No not really but for your purposes I wouldn't recommend either one. The SN850X is overkill and the Z440 is more expensive than the NM790 and MP44L. It's an early gen PCIe 4 drive so you're paying for that DRAM chip but not getting any more performance.
Don't get me wrong though - it's more than good enough for a gaming rig so go for it if you don't mind the extra $10.

>>102729671
>watch trump inauguration on jan 6 2025
>watch jensen announce the $700 5090
trust the plan

>>102730408
>>102730310
Second hand market sucks where I live, so finding a good deal is pretty rare. If I would go with the 3060 12gb, any tips on what to start looking at on the cpu side if that is my next upgrade after gpu?

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>>102730674
like this?

>>102730730
Yeah

>>102730272
Is upgrading to 750W a bit too much or am I missing something? You should probably be fine with your current PSU, at least as far as its power goes. Unless it's notoriously unreliable or something.

>>102730739
see >>102730454

>>102730665
Be honest with yourself, do you care more about blender performance (which I think is exclusively while rendering) or gaming performance. Most likely you'll realize you won't really mind if your render takes like half a minute more or whatever, so just grab the 6600

>>102730665
I mean the 3050 sucks as a gaming card and a rendering card, the 6600 is okay as a gaming card but super sucks as a rendering card.
The 3060 is double the rendering performance of the 3050.

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based or cringe?

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>>102730750
Yeah, I was just looking at the recommended wattage on the cards and thinking about futureproofing, but glad I asked here so I got better advice. Good to know I can save that money for upgrading other stuff.

>>102730757
I am honestly not quite sure how blender will run with the rx6600. But if the performance difference really goes only as far as rendering time, then I am almost certainly going with what you recommend. I mostly want to play around with it, it's not like I plan on using it professionally.

>>102730704
>any tips on what to start looking at on the cpu side if that is my next upgrade after gpu?
sadly, I'd go with a 7600 + mobo + ram combo which will run you quite a lot.

Keep in mind that the 3060 anon recommended is likely only an advantage based on what pricing might be available. There is never a better card (except for 4090), there's only ever "better card at these prices". If you live in western europe, don't forget to check other regions on PCPP to see what might ship to you, you can sometimes save like 150-200€ on a full pc build just by combining regions

>>102730775
I'd say neither, but leaning more towards based. Someone overly cautious is better than someone with no regards to safety of the pc he's building

>>102730800
I was fucking around with pretty simple shit in blender with my 6600XT & didn't have any issues. I wasn't making extremely detailed shit or rendering though, keep that in mind
if you just want to put some things together 6600 will be MORE than fine

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https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-drops-to-788-for-amazon-prime-days-rtx-4070-ti-super-for-749
For those in the market for it...
AMD might as well scrap the 8800 XT and RDNA4 entirely if they are waiting so long to launch it that THIS is the market it'll compete in (unles they launch it at $399 or something).

>>102729246
INTEL WON
THA-ACK!

>>102730893
Not cheap enough.

So how are the Intel GPU drivers nowadays? The a750 is supposed to be about on par with the 6600XT on paper, but is the actual performance anywhere close to that now?

my pc died, it keeps restarting itself after a couple seconds. and i wanted to buy a new one soon anyways. im thinking of getting

i5-12600K
msi pro Z790-P

because its in a decent tier for my money on logical increments. can i get this and nothing else, use it to try to recover my old hdd? and then with more time i would decide on which gpu to get, if i want a new cooler, new ram, new psu. gpu maybe i wont ever get, i dont play games anyway

what would you guys do?

>>102728182
someone build my pc for me.

I bought a new CPU and mainboard 6 months ago and I can't just get myself to upgrade my machine. Just thinking about a new winblows install with all the 500 programs and shit I have.
please kill me

>>102730893
XTX should've been $700 at most

Is investing in a case with decent airflow a meme? Should I just go get a normal office desktop case?

>>102730977
Remember: AMD exists to make nvidia lower prices but only poors buy AMD.

>>102729246
Its so over bros

>>102731054
Nvidia only exists to fuck over consumers by introducing coping mechanics to artificially raise FPS counts so devs think it's acceptable to have the worst optimization in existence because you can just use coping mechanics to hit 1080p 60fps

>>102730935
logical increments is shit, tell us your current system, tell us your budget.
the Z790-P is DDR5, also your PSU might be the thing that is dead.

>>102731054
>only poors
pretty sure that only german autists buy AMD GPUs

intel bros its over
time to make the switch to the 9800x3d
i havent used an amd cpu since the athlon days, what are some and quirks i should be aware of

>>102731088
>AMD have-not gets salty
When you learn to join the winning team you will understand.

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>Phantom Spirit
>Peerless Assassin
What's the main difference between these?

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I need help determining whether a build makes sense and is compatible... Wtf is a PCIe lane etc.

Use case
- Other than officey stuff, running 3-4 MMO game clients simultaneously without stagger at 1440x60+fps. I think this makes CPU cores and RAM more important, maybe VRAM? No intent to OC.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CgXGvj

CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Cooler - EK Nucleus AIO CR240 Dark
Motherboard - ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5
RAM - Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5200 CL40
SSD - 3x Kingston NV3 1TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 NVME
HDD - 2x Seagate IronWolf NAS 12 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM HDD
GPU - Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC RTX 4070 Ti SUPER
Case - Fractal Design Pop Mini Silent
PSU - Corsair RM850e (2023) 850w
OS - Windows 11 Pro

Thoughts
Cooler - AIOs seem gimmicky to me, would a NH-D15 be enough? I think it fits.. barely
Motherboard - Does this have enough lanes? What is a lane?
RAM - Cheap DDR5 capacity, I don't know what a CL40 is
SSDs - Dual boot Linux and Win 11
HDDs - 2x 12TB mirrored
OS - Do I need Windows 11 Pro to create dynamic disk configurations?

idk what I'm doing, my last build was in 2017, thanks i guess

>>102731207
1 heatpipe. Seriously that is it.

>>102731131
>extremely high idle power draw. like 50-120w just doing nothing on the desktop
>high idle temps
>worse performance than intel 12th gen for actual productivity
But hey you will get 600 fps in cs2

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The reign of the goat continues.

Is the B650 PG Lightning a good B650 mobo? Planning to run 7700X on it. It's currently cheaper than the comparable midrange offerings from other vendors so I was thinking of going with it.

>>102731282
this only shows that AMD fucked up their own lineup. no one buys their normal cpus and just waits for the X3D release

The msi b550m pro-vdh should be plenty good for the ryzen 3600 right? As far as feautes go it's more than enough for me. It's VRM performance wasn't as good as the msi b550m-a pro but it's still decent from what I see and it's not like I am planning on doing anything extreme with it.

>>102731298
If their "normal" CPUs still offered great all-around performance it wouldn't be a problem.

>>102731338
>The msi b550m pro-vdh should be plenty good for the ryzen 3600 right? As far as feautes go it's more than enough for me. It's VRM performance wasn't as good as the msi b550m-a pro but it's still decent from what I see and it's not like I am planning on doing anything extreme with it.
Yes, but do you already have the 3600 it's not what I'd build with new ATM.

>>102731355
but if the other cpus that cost €100 less are "very good all rounders" no one will buy the X3D then.

>>102731373
Just buy 14th gen if you want a no compromise performance cpu.

>>102731131
I don't know why anyone was expecting it to beat the 14900K, they literally burnt their own silicon chasing Zen4 and Zen4X3D.

>>102731298
if the 9600 and 9700 were cheap and instead of the 9900X they released the 9800X3D, Zen5 would have been much more favorably received.
the 12 core is now pointless.

>>102731391
9600 is as cheap as it gets. building in Taiwan is extremely expensive.
they need to embrace the $100 budget 4c CPU office market of Intel, where the big sales are made

>>102731413
Good luck getting Dell to care about AMD.

>>102731366
Not yet. If you have anything else to recommend around that price range or maybe a bit over feel free to. Where I live the 5600 is like 50$ more expensive, and I honestly don't have any need for the extra CPU power.
I was also thinking of going for the i3 12100f but I chose not to because I could get a more quality AMD mobo for around the same price (unless I am wrong).

>>102731465
why would they? what $100 cpu does AMD offer in big numbers (millions of CPUs). the 5500? 3600?

>>102730893
im not seeing these price discounts

>>102731499
If Dell (or HP or other such big bois) actually cared AMD would make cpus to suit their needs due to volume. This won't happen as Intel ensures these companies will never move away from them. Remember when AMD flatout tried to give dell a million cpus for free and it wasn't enough to sway them? Fun times.

>>102731556
sorry but are we talking about the free market? Dell and HP are not the Red Cross. they don't "care" about anything. If AMD wants to sell millions of chips THEY have to engage, not the other way around lol

>>102731581
>sorry but are we talking about the free market?
Yes - the one where it is cheaper to break the law and pay the fine that play by the rules.

>>102731097
>>102730935
its from 2014

motherboard some asus z97
i5-4570 3.2GHz
r7 260x
8g ram

budget idk, no more than 1k. i dont play high end games, i would only want a good gpu for playing around with AI but im not really that interested. but i want something that lasts for long time, this pc has been fine for a decade.

maybe the psu is broken, without hdd or gpu the pc doesnt reboot itself anymore although theres no signal on the screen. but i leaned on the case and it rebooted, and it does it randomly now too after several minutes

>>102731413
>9600 is as cheap as it gets.
it really isn't, the margin is terrific, by the wafer calculator it should be 857 dies for a $30,000 wafer. or $35 each Zen5 die. meanwhile the N6 wafer is $10,000 and can punch out 487 for the IOD or $20 each.
lets say $50 for packaging of all kinds, $20 for development and they're making a profit past $125.
>they need to embrace the $100 budget 4c CPU office market of Intel, where the big sales are made
they do, AMD could do 4 core Zen5 APU on N4P with full cache and the 890M and it would sell like hotcakes.

>>102731634
>1k budget
>Doesn't want to play high end games
lmao

>>102731607
>rules
are you 12?

>>102728195
Bruh, you hold the best piece of engineering that Humans have ever made.

>>102731496
>Not yet. If you have anything else to recommend around that price range or maybe a bit over feel free to. Where I live the 5600 is like 50$ more expensive, and I honestly don't have any need for the extra CPU power.
I was also thinking of going for the i3 12100f but I chose not to because I could get a more quality AMD mobo for around the same price (unless I am wrong).
What country?

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Thoughts on this build? My friend needs a beefy pc for rendering as he is an architect. I wanted to put a better board and a ryzen 4070 ti. Should I do it?

>>102731723
Greece

>>102731634
>HDD
no ssd?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zKHj89
this will get you up and running and leave you $500 for anything in that price bracket when the new GPUs are out in January.

I’m glad I bought the 7900xtx instead of 4080
https://youtu.be/Y36LMS5y34A?feature=shared

>>102731796
>admitting you'd be too retarded to plug in a connector

is the Crucial P3 a good drive? the 1tb version is going for $54 right now, Im considering grabbing it

>>102731730
You might want to add some led lights.

>>102731796
So what happens to atx3.x psus? Are they all garbage? The entire industry is stupid for following shintel.

Tile architecture and muh default power limits coalesced to create the second sidegrade of the year. Interesting to see the dichotomy of the PC building sphere and that the tech media won to create shackled "K" SKUs.

>>102731852
>The entire industry is stupid for following shintel.
but this was pushed by Nvidia.

>>102731843
It is as long as you don't mind it being dramless.

>>102731823
But I’ve plugged 3 of them about 2 years ago and everything is fine, but on Nvidia’s side… oh…

>>102731843
Bruh, that's garbage. What is the usecase though? Does your board support gen4x4 slot? If yes, get the wd black sn850x.

>>102731868
They did a proof of concept and Shintel did rest of the engineering. Why would Shintel volunteer to do it?

>>102731873
that means it slows down the more stuff is on the drive, right?
>>102731876
just gaming, does gen4 really matter for that?

How long are 7700 xt 7800 xt and 7900 gre's expected to be for sale from vendors such as micro center amazon and newegg?
I dont have the budget for these yet but am saving for them though with all the bundles that come with these and amd's need to wipe them from shelves before new gen launch im worried they wont be an option in the near future.

>>102731888
Get the black sn850x, its going to be like 70bux with wicked DRAM cache and wicked speeds.

>>102731888
Pretty much. It's obviously still much better than a HDD.

>>102731892
AMD was worried enough to push back the launch of RDNA4 and drop the prices on the lineup.

>>102731892
7700xt and 7800xt are until rdna4 drops
7900gre is a limited release so when they run out thats it

>>102731888
No, the improvement from gen 4 is basically a meme for gaming. It's so minimal you are more likely to see a bigger difference from a little dust accumulating than from it.

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>>102731508
Can't find the 7900XTX in stock, but Hellhound 7900XT deal seems real.

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This is a Raptor Lake vs Arrow Lake E-core only comparison, right?
Right?

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>>102731976
wrong pic

>>102731785
thanks, i also wanted to get an ssd. and that psu will be fine for any new gpu later? i thought you needed 650W, sorry for trusting other websites

also i didnt even think about ddr4, its insane that its half price from ddr5 for the same amount of gb

Intel is finished

>>102731252
Really? Which one has the extra pipe? Phantom Spirit?

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>>102731740
>Greece
Ah that explains it.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-5600-and-ryzen-5-5500-review/4
The 12100F is a bit ahead of the 5500 in both gaming and lightly thread workloads (web browsing, photoshop, office apps) but gets destroyed in video encoding.

Also if you don't mind buying a tray CPU and can get a dirt cheaper cooler to pair with it to make the total cost about equal with the 12100F locally to you, I'm seeing the 14100F for 76€ which is about ~10% faster than the 12100F
https://www.bestprice.gr/item/2159328490/intel-core-i3-14100f-tray-epeksergasths-4-pyrhnwn-gia-socket-1700-me-psyktra.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i3-14100/25.html

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>>102731282
LOL try again retard

>>102731993
well 12th gen doesn't really need DDR5 but 13th and 14th gen does.
>Any new gpu
well no, but it will power anything in the $500 price bracket, you could swap it for the 700W one if you would feel more comfortable.

Is arrowlake really using tsmc 3nm? Or is it really mot as efficient as people thought

it's total intel death
the west has fallen
there will never be a great intel CPU ever again

>>102730524
12p bartlett is a 25Q3 product
the 8+16 refresh is the 25Q1 product you're thinking of

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>>102731298
>>102731355
>>102731391

see >>102732057
https://openbenchmarking.org/vs/Processor/AMD+Ryzen+7+5800X3D+8-Core,AMD+Ryzen+7+9700X+8-Core

Why are people pretending Ryzen 9000 is bad just because Microsoft fucked up big time?
One more reason to ditch that POS toy OS.

>>102732074
the slides are literally praising the "performance per watt increase"

>>102731185
yeah yeah, keep coping your performance is "better on paper due to ai generated magic frames"

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what would be the best gpu to pair with a 5800x3d? I would use it for 1440p gaming on max graphics, I don't like playing competitive games a lot and my monitor is 165hz anyways, any suggestions?

>>102731391
>instead of the 9900X they released the 9800X3D
X3Ds are only good for games. I'm glad for the 9900X. It's a great upgrade (not on Windows though).
And even for games, I don't understand the fascination with the X3D parts. Any modern game is going to be GPU bottlenecked anyway.

Now that the era of perfomance gains is over, will developers start optimizing their games again?

>>102732091
why can't amd hire enough software engineers to make sure botched launches from os level bugs don't happen?

>>102732091
ah yes, simdjson and rocksdb are relevant to my home PC usage

I’m building a custom pc for the first time and all I need left are 2 ssds. I never paid attention to cyber Monday until now, ssds should be included in the campaign on Amazon right? Or should I buy one now?

>>102732114
It dropped from 527w to 447w which is only a 15%. Considering intel is moving from 10nm to 3nm. That’s pretty bad.

>>102732091
its not bad, its just competing with Zen4
the 9950X is the best multicore CPU as your chart shows.

>>102732128
7900XTX

>>102732134
I don't know why anyone would buy the 12 core when the 16 core exists.

>>102732054
>that explain it
It truly does lmao.
But seriously thanks a lot for your help, I will consider doing what you said. I don't own a cpu fan already which is why I didn't think about getting just a tray but you are probably right. Although what I am worried about is finding a decent motherboard to go with it since from what I hear trying to get a decent mobos for Intel chips is a lot more expensive compared to AMD

>>102732116
Why argue with an unpaid nvidia shill?
Amd is the winning team, or did you forget.

>>102732054
the 12100F no longer makes sense now that the 12400F and 5600 are only $20 more expensive

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>>102732128
It's irrelevant, just get what's in the budget you want to spend
Unless you get like a 4090 I'd be surprised if you bottleneck a 5800x3d at 1440p. At 1080p you might have some more shit to worry about, but not 1440p

>>102732091
not gaymen

>>102732151
dropping 80W in games have only just returned them to alderlake levels of power draw lmao

>>102729061
>>102729090
>>102730354
>>102730413
Thanks bros. I have a rx 6800 so i think pairs well with the 5600x but this seemed to good of a price to pass up.

>>102732128
>what would be the best gpu to pair with a 5800x3d
the 4090 obviously

>>102732151
system power consumption

(300W GPU + 150W CPU)/0.90 PSU efficiency = 500W

(300W GPU + 80W CPU)/0.90 PSU efficiency = 420W

>>102732128
I love Ponko

>>102732196
That’s what I don’t get. It’s not making any sense for a 3nm class cpu

>>102732151
Thats full system usage

>>102732143
>amd
You mean Microsoft. AMD can't modify the Windows code.
On Linux, AMD develops the CPU optimizations for their own CPU, and hence performance is excellent, as you can see here: >>102732091

>>102732148
>relevant to my home PC usage
It is indicative of general CPU performance you doofus. That's what benchmarks are for.
No one runs 3D Mark on a loop 24/7 either

>>102732152
>its not bad
Don't forget it achieves that in a much lower power envelope than the 7000 series. It's actually quite impressive.

>>102732152
>I don't know why anyone would buy the 12 core when the 16 core exists.
At least around here, there's a considerable difference in price between the 9900X and 9950X. Big enough that the increase in performance might not be worth it.
But that depends on the workload of course.

>>102732198
I don't know if you'll even feel a performance increase with a 6800, but hey, whatever makes you happy, try to sell off the 5600x quick though

>>102732214
They probably tuned it way outside of the efficient part of the vf curve to get those high marketing clocks

>>102732185
Exactly. It's a more broad representation of performance.
You actually use your computer, right? You don't just play videogames on it, do you anon?
If you do, go for the X3D, but don't recommend it for everyone when it is slower in pretty much everything else.

>>102732039
Yes. I really don't think the extra heatpipe is make or break difference so get whichever.

>>102732155
>Although what I am worried about is finding a decent motherboard to go with it since from what I hear trying to get a decent mobos for Intel chips is a lot more expensive compared to AMD
For CPUs this low-end you need not worry about that. Whatever potato board you can find at lowest cost is still more than adequate (as long as it has enough USB ports, Wifi, etc. and whatever other features you need).

>>102732162
He seems to be on a very strict budget, and also Greek prices are not great, the 12400 is like 21€ more. If he can afford the
98€ I agree it'd be a vastly better chip though.
https://www.bestprice.gr/item/2157392002/intel-core-i5-12400f-h0-tray-epeksergasths-6-pyrhnwn-gia-socket-1700.html

>>102730775
Based retard if you wear it without grounding it.
Cringe if you take it seriously, just ground your case or go touch a ground pin before handling electronics.

>>102732250
>Greek prices aren't great
They are pretty awful, and the GPU market is even worse

>>102731252
>>102732247
It's 2 pipes actually. One for each side.
But they cost about the same around here, so I'll get the Phantom Spirit I guess.

>>102732243
the people you replied to were talking about gaming benchmarks though

hi gents, i need an am4 board
the only reasonably priced x570 options i have are these 2 second-hand:
>msi mag x570 tomahawk wifi
>gb x570 aorus elite (45 usd cheaper here)

i know both have great vrm, and on paper basically everything else I need, but is there any feature I might miss if i just get the aorus?

Both the MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi and the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite are solid choices with excellent VRMs, but there are a few differences that may matter depending on your specific needs:

Key Features Comparison:
Wi-Fi and Bluetooth:

MSI X570 Tomahawk WiFi: Comes with built-in Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5.1. This can be crucial if you plan to use wireless networking out of the box.
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite: No built-in Wi-Fi. If you need Wi-Fi, you'll need to purchase a separate PCIe card or USB adapter, which could reduce the price advantage.
USB Ports:

MSI X570 Tomahawk: Has more USB 3.2 Gen2 ports on the rear I/O (2 x Type-A, 1 x Type-C).
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite: Slightly fewer USB 3.2 Gen2 ports (only 1 Type-A).
BIOS Flashback:

MSI X570 Tomahawk: Supports BIOS Flashback without needing a CPU installed. This can be handy if you need to update BIOS for future CPU support.
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite: Also has Q-Flash Plus for BIOS updates without a CPU, so both boards are equal here.
LAN Port:

MSI X570 Tomahawk: Comes with a 2.5Gb LAN port.
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite: Has a 1Gb LAN port, which is sufficient for most users but could be a limitation if you need higher-speed networking.
Audio:

MSI X570 Tomahawk: Uses Realtek ALC1200 audio codec.
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite: Has the slightly older Realtek ALC887 audio codec, which provides decent sound but isn’t as high-quality as the ALC1200.
Summary:
If you need Wi-Fi 6, faster LAN, or slightly better audio quality, the MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi is the better option despite the price difference. However, if these features are not a priority, the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite is a great value, especially considering it's $45 cheaper.

If you're on a tighter budget and can live without built-in Wi-Fi and the other small improvements, the Aorus Elite will serve you well.

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>be me in the recent past
>have a 1080p monitor
>play exclusively on 1080p
>make fun of /pcbg/ for sweating over higher resolutions
>Haha, I only play older games in my backlog why would I even need 2k?
>upgrade some parts
>go to 27" monitor
>get Splinter Cell Blacklist
>see the settings can go as high as my monitor can play
>fine, I will try this 2k, 165hz setting, I am sure it will be just a tiny bit less blur than 1080p 60hz
>start game
>oh my, wtf
Ok, I was wrong. But how do older games like that still utilise tech from 5 years later?
Are games designed to be somewhat future proof?
But yeah, 2K, 165hz is kino.

>>102732313
The post they were referring to was this >>102731282
I don't see any indication it was about gaming.

>>102732339
thanks chat gpt

>>102732314
Not enough info. What features do you require an X570 board for that a B550 model wouldn't cover?

>>102732314
get a B550 like a normal person

>>102732343
their cpu usage and textures simply arent' as demanding?

>dorf fortess

>>102732343
>1080p 60hz
We tried to tell you bro, you could listened sooner

>>102732343
Timeless goblins ensure the compatability of modern day tech, do not question the process.

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>>102732343
You fell for the memes and are gaslighting yourself.

>core ultra 9 285k worse for gaming than 14900k
>is also shit on multicore
Who is this processor for?

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-admits-core-ultra-9-285k-will-be-slower-than-i9-14900k-in-gaming

>>102732359
>>102732361
sure i don't need x570, but the market is fucked
x570 tomahawk wifi is 11$ cheaper! than b550, and x570 aorus elite is the same price as msi b550 gaming gen3 but has 1 less usable sata slot

>>102732448
Its for the diehard intel fan who enjoys buying new cpus and motherboards every year unironically
Lots of those exist on overclocking forums

>>102732448
Having a processor out that won't kill itself I guess

>>102729246
zen5 suddenly looking great again LMAO

>>102729246
the 14900k draws 527W ??????

>>102732502
Its normal for Intel cpu

>>102732448
They just scaled up their laptop architecture really.

>>102732448
yep looks like I’m getting either a 9950X3D if both CCDs get vcache or a 9800X3D instead

Should the 7800x3d be undervolted to take advantage of PBO2

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>>102732366
>>102732386
>>102732392
I was a Vsync ON enjoyer and purist.
Now I tried 165hz and Vsync OFF.
I understand now.

>>102732542
all ryzen cpus should be using curve optimizer. if you're advanced you master curve shaper.

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>lower clocks
>less power
>same core count
>P-core IPC uplift from going to the best node
>E-core IPC uplift from an architecture redesign
>no hyperthreading
I don't know why anyone expected more than equaling 14th gen but without degradation.
hopefully 16th gen is better

>>102732542
it really doesn't need undervolting, its super efficient.
the 9800X3D might not be as efficient as they're going to be able to run the cores at higher clocks.

>>102732515
that's everything since Core 2

Would the R5 7600 + RX 6800 (not XT) combo comfortably last me a good 4-5 years on 1080p? I'm planning to get a 144 or 165 Hz 24-inch monitor and I don't plan on going up in resolution.

Also, would 650W be enough for this, combo and if so, would it have enough room for the option of getting a 7800x3d at some point?

any reason why I should avoid a gamemax psu?

>>102729246
>negative performance uplift
KEK, I love Intel

>>102732602
yes to all your questions.

>>102732633
To be fair, it's the same performance with 100w less power.

>>102732642
<3

Tsmc 3nm looks disappointing. I guess it’s optimized for efficiency not raw performance

any good prime day deal on 6000CL30 ddr5?

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my new x870e board is working great so far. I definitely think my x670e board is a pos lemon that I should have replaced a long time ago now.

I'm booting into bios in 6 seconds and into windows in like 16 seconds. My other board would take 4 min to train memory to boot.

Told you faggots Intel 18A process node will kill TSMC junk process node

>>102731730
Why no (you)s? Please call me stupid and tell me what's wrong with this build.

>>102732574
getting a 13900ks and tuning it with memory is more fun than just getting a 7800x3d, setting expo and callit it a day.

Nova Lake will save us sisters.

>>102732448
It was supposed to have "rentable units" which would combine the p-cores together to make larger cores for single thread tasks that would be more performant.

The thing I really don't get with intel is why they haven't came out with a big L3 cache cpu like amd since they did it first on broadwell a decade ago.

>>102732633
it doesnt crash anymore so its an improvement

>>102732574
There won't be 16th gen if Intel fucks 15th gen up.

>>102732707
also significantly more expensive

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Told you twelve-year-olds not to waste time hanking about Arrow Lake, it's a filler product.
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/100567023/#100574863
More concerning would be the data center product performance of those Lion Cove & Skymont cores.

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>>102732574
kek i feel personally attacked by picrel

>>102732826
their new 128 core server cpus seem to be a significant improvement so that is all that matters.

probably not enough to stop them from swirling the drain at this point.

>>102732830
>13900K
>01/05/2023
update your damn bios

what curve offset are you guys running on your 7800x3d ? I only have -10 right now.
Guess i'm going to have to read that oc guide again to see how to change the single core boost clock.

>>102732854
Isn't Turin coming out this month?

>>102732864
its muh old build
i sold the board/cpu half a year ago

when was the last time intel released a cpu that was actually impressive or disrupted the market?

>>102732574
>Zen 4D
It's obvious what they meant but it's still funny to see someone referring to it this way as if the cache can transcend time or something.

>>102732876
10900k

Which of the most hated manufacturers has given you the least amount of trouble so far?
For me it's MSI, I keep hearing all sorts of horror stories but besides ASUS (most of the time) I never had issues with anything coming from them. Out of all mobo manufacturers only Gigabyte shat the bed several times on me.

>>102732876
9900k with 8 cores on the mainstream platform; 12th gen with big.little core design.

>>102732874
fair

>>102732896
it seems random every gen what brand has the bad boards. My x570 from msi was great but my x670e from that was trash.

I think asus is really the only consistent brand you can trust but you have to pay a premium to buy their boards.

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speaking of big.little, you think we'll ever see a chip with a mix of regular and compact cores from AMD?

>>102732876
8700k, 9900k and 10900k were ahead of their time. the first two competed with zen+ at their launch while 10900k competed with zen2 for half a year
12th gen was nice too because of golden cove. too bad about the e-cores killing avx512 though

>>102732896
I really hate Gigabyte's dual bios that they're still using, why not just give us a jumper or a dipswitch.

>>102732872
-8 all core because im too lazy to do per core testing and going higher than -10 causes programs to silent error and higher than -15 causes system reboots.

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Just keep waiting®, what's there to play anyway?
Silent Shills 2 Remake?

>>102732928
8500g and 8300g do that.

>>102732977
>>102732977
>>102732977

Want to upgrade to 7800x3d but I need a decent motherboard with at least 3 m2 slots and the option to am5 upgrade in the future
Anyone got good recommendations?

Was Intels move to ditch hyper threading good ? I get that it removes some potential vulnerabilitys and saves space and complexity from die itself but ????

>>102732988
Asrock B650M Pro RS Wifi

>>102732998
it frees up L1/L2 caches and cpu registers from not having to run 2 virtual threads so its great for 1T, latency related tasks

>>102732929
>8700k, 9900k and 10900k were ahead of their time. the first two competed with zen+ at their launch while 10900k competed with zen2 for half a year
Zen+ were still made on inferior Global Foundries process.
Zen 2 marked the first-ever CCD chiplet design for consumer processors.
Meteor Lake & Arrow Lake is like the Zen 2 equivalent for Intel.

>>102732988
>>102733022
oh yea I forgot to mention
has to be ATX
I've been looking at MSI Tomahawk and Aorus elite AX

>>102732988
>>102733022
Asrock x670E pro rs, x870 pro rs, basically take any asrock B650E or X670E or x860(E) at the price you are willing to spend is my suggestion.

Buildzoid used Asrock B650M HDV M.2 to do crazy things. Asrock linuep at your budget, more than B650 or B650M is will do the job.

>>102733058
Aorus Elite AX (Rev 1) is the better board between the two, do not get Rev 2 (fewer PCB layers & VRM power phases).

>new Zen 5 is shit
>new Core Ultra is shit
feels like a lost generation of CPUs incoming, glad my 12900k will stay relevant for a while

>>102733058
If you are looking at Tomahawk, get the Taichi or taichi lite. The best of the best.

Meant x870, I bought a x870 Pro RS last week.

>>102733099
Why is zen5 shit anon? 9950x is 7950x but consuming less power. Isn't that a win? Also, a little bit more performance. Power savings means a lot in the server market and they are going to make mad cash. They could have named it Zen4.5 or something.

>>102733099
the 9800X3D is going to be 15% over the 7800X3D

>>102733161
>9950x is 7950x but consuming less power. Isn't that a win?
not really

>>102733161
it's literally worse than the 7950x on some tasks, and only 1-3% faster in others including gaming

>>102733072
Different anon here, how's the 650 PG Lightning?