>>102746324
I love otona hardware

>>102746324
who is this semen demon?

I decided 2 sticks of RAM would be lonely so I bought a 2nd 16GB kit. Same model number but I got the first from Newegg and second from Amazon. How do I make sure they're identical?

Like, can I look up by serial number or model + production date?

9800X3D when

>>102746376
corsair prints the ram revision on the ram sticker and gskill has the IC type printed on the ram sticker as well

>>102746381
2025

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>>102746338
her shirt says it

>>102746402
nooooo, it can't be, this can't be real AAAAAHHH SAVE ME DR SU...

I'm a dumb dumb, what's tall this B650 / X670 / etc stuff mean with motherboards? Some basic googling just mentions overclocking and tweaking and stuff (things I have no interest in doing, I just buy parts, plug them in, and then leave everything alone), and I want to make sure I know what I'm doing when choosing a motherboard during the 30 second window I will have between the 7800X3D being in stock and being sold out.

>>102746395
Perfect because it is Corsair RAM.

>>102746417
Latest rumours say 9800x3d this year, the 9900x3d and 9950x3d next year.

>>102746453
Basically the major difference you will see is in capacity/bandwidth for components. I got a cheapo X870 and it has some rules - if you use 3 m.2 drives, you can't use both PCI slots. If you use 2, you can only use 2 SATA drives, else it will drop to pcie 3 speed.

There's some minimal standards for each type as well, handy table here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM5#Chipsets

>>102746453
forget about overclocking shit
just consider how many usb ports you think you want, do you care about having 2.5g or 10g ethernet, how many m.2 drives or pcie cards do you want?
the higher tier chipsets will generally have more options, but bandwidth from the chipset is limited so more of one thing can mean less of another

>Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10400F CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
>TUF GAMING H470-PRO
I want to upgrade to an amd chip but I don't know what, around 200 dollars, Peru

>>102746453
It's the chipset. Handles some of the IO for the board. Some PCIe, USB, audio, etc.
Hx10 (Intel), Ax20 (AMD): Ultra budget, office PCs. No overclocking.
Bxxx (for both): Mainstream. No OC on Intel.
Intel Hx70: Workstation chipset. Still locked but more IO than B-series.
Intel Zx90: Enthusiast. Allows OC.
AMD Xx70: Workstation and/or enthusiast.

It's super easy to pick a board on AM5. Just go by the IO you need and avoid the A-series unless you're really strapped for cash.

>>102746511
You'd need a new board and RAM to get a real upgrade so $200 won't cut it.

>>102746531
I have 32 gigs of ram, Im fine with shilling 200 or for each

>>102746511
upgrade to a 11700f

Why is white build so much more expensive than black build? Did pc builders all become trannies or what.

>>102746544
cheapest am4 board that has enough ports and runs a 5700x3d

>>102746544
You have DDR4 RAM which wouldn't be compatible with current gen AMD processors.
Way I see it your options are:
In socket: (used) 11700/K
Cheapest but only maybe 10% better for gaming. Naturally the extra cores will be good if you do work on your PC too.
Keep the RAM: 12600K(F)+B760, 5*00X3D+B550
Bit more expensive but manageable with $400 total. Local prices permitting ofc.
Full upgrade: 7600+B650+DDR5
Borderline with US prices so probably not possible in Peru.

>>102746381
end of the month

>>102746491
What board?

>>102746578
I guess Im staying with spyware then

5070 April next year realistic?

>>102746491
>>102746508
>>102746521
I see I see, thank you. Ideally I'd like to have 2 m.2 drives, 1 big SATA hard drive, and besides that the only things I'd be plugging into it are my GPU and RAM, do I need to consider anything for this specific setup or is it basic enough that anything will work?

Are there any motherboard brands I should avoid? I've been kinda living a nightmare for the past few months where I updated my current motherboard (aorus x470) to potentially support buying a 5800X3D before I changed my mind, but since then have been getting near constant BsoD errors and it all just makes me wonder if there's something obviously wrong with my current mobo or if I'm just an idiot.

>>102746610
>he thinks he has a choice

>>102746324
Just bought a 7950x3d, how stupid am I? Mostly for gaming but wanted the extra cores for productivity tasks

>>102746621
I don't think there's a single full size ATX AM5 board that has less than 2 M.2 slots and 2 SATA ports

>>102746629
like anyone else who only asks after they made the purchase, pretty stupid.

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>have z590 aorus master
>has 10gbe
>look at x870e aorus master
>5gbe
Why are we regressing?
10Gbe is well over a decade old, the aquantia NIC chips are dropping in price year after year

>>102746727
intel boards are always somehow better

>>102746338
AI generated slop

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>>102746837
nah an actual team animated her

>>102746903
yes. by using ai

>>102746621
Your requirements are pretty minimal. I'd say to just get the standard HDV/M.2 or Pro RS (both should be ~$130). Could go cheaper but you might miss out on features you need in the future.

>>102746944
ESL

>running monitor at max refresh rate, vsync on, control fps with rss and set to 60
>feels like shit
>set monitor refresh rate to 60 and run the same game with vsync on
>feels much better
why

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-launch-radeon-rx-7650-gre-at-ces-2025
It's RDNA4... lol nope

>>102747022
>rx-7650
New best budget card announced!
AMD WON!

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Day 552 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

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Is the Hyper 212 cooler a bad option? Sadly I don't have many options right now, NZXT T120 or the Deepcool AK500 at most. I'm not running a powerhouse or anything.

>>102747022
fuck amd
I hope they shut down radeon and stop wasting gamers' time

What are the "enhancement" settings in MSI bios for the 7800x3d? I set mine to level 2 and my cpu seems to run cooler.

>>102747087
>please make my novideo cards more expensive

>>102747087
It exists so that the monopoly of GPUs remains a "duopoly"

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>>102747054
>400$
>Budget
Anon.. Are you unwell?

Previous: >>102738790

>>102747106
kek

>>102747086
once upon a time the 212 was a cost effective competitive cooler, these days thermalright has taken that position

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>>102747105

>>102747086
It's fine for lower tdp cpus anon but you can easily get a 6 pipe 2 fan cooler for the same price.

>>102746610
>I guess Im staying with spyware then
No one cares about Peruvians.

>>102747086
Hyper212 hasn't really changed in quality and has increased dramatically in price
You're basically getting a what, like 8 year old cooler for double the price it was then.
Hyper212 shouldn't be in the discussion anymore unless you live in a shithole where they only stock the most popular shit & can't get shit shipped to you or when it comes to second hand, due to their popularity you're more likely to see one being sold for cheap than a newer cooler. I picked one up for about 15$ 3 years ago, why wouldn't I

>>102747128
Wrong card anon. Read the actual article.

>>102747105
>400$
"under 400$" & "400$" aren't the same, in fact they're almost opposites

>>102740671
>>102740817
I bought a 6800 earlier this month for £410, now the 7700XT is £360 and I can still return the 6800. I thought that the 6800 was better because of the 16GB VRAM, is that not the case?

>>102747194
If you want to be pedantic, then it should be "under 300". But sure, it can be anywhere from 0 to 400, isn't that helpful?

>>102747022
>>102747128
RX 6750 GRE is selling well in China, the 7900 GRE is Radeon's more popular card.
Expect these levels of price/performance moving forward.

7650 GRE is more likely to be just a factory-overclocked RX 7600/XT chip.
A video card with a Navi32 chip had to be sold at around $400 for profitability.
>The price could always be cheaper on a GPU, but if we don’t make money, then it’s hard to make a roadmap.
>$50 at this level is a good price gap, and we’ll have to see how it plays out in the market.
>We tried to go super-aggressive on pricing, but at the same time, we’re a company and have to make money
https://www.pcgamer.com/radeon-rx-7700-xt-and-7800-xt-pricing-super-aggressive-according-to-amd/

>>102747102
>please make radeon so I can buy cheaper geforce!!
the real world doesnt work that way sweaty
grow up and buy geforce at their fair market value. these toys are cheap either way

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>>102747232
Not much point in returning it now, RDNA3 has better RT performance but it's still shit.
Maybe FSR4 will utilize RDNA3 & 4 exclusive hardware features, but it's all guessing.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6800.c3713
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-7900-gre-tuf/31.html

>More VRAM
The GPU's capabilities will almost always be the limiting factor past the 8GB threshold.

currently have a 7900XTX but I feel like tis too much for the games I play and what I do, is the 7900 GRE worth swapping out or is it better to wait for the 8000 series next year?

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7900xtx reaching the 700$ range. is it time for me to jump from nvidia to amd?

>>102747299
>My card is TOO good
>Should I replace it with something worse?
Who.. does that?

>>102747299
I'd wait

>>102747321
yes

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>Rumored RTX 5070 announcement at CES, alongside 5080 & 5090
This probably means RDNA4 will be released fairly soon next year.
>GB205
>192-bit (12GB) again
Kek, RX 8800XT might be a good choice.
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5080-rumored-with-32gbps-gddr7-memory-rtx-5070-reportedly-set-for-ces-2025-debut

>>102747331
I was gifted it from a family member who does reviews for his company, not that I dont like it but I dont need a 4K card.

>>102746324
anyone got numbers/know any reviews that went over on how the G2 noctua 140Rs perform on old DH15?

>>102747321
Don't buy RDNA3 cards, especially this late.
Upscaling and RT performance will matter even more as PS5 Pro & Switch 2 games start to apply those techs.

>>102747357
https://youtu.be/OlN7PmLcuv4?t=484
This is what you're prob interested in, the new fans might sound worse to some people.
Listen to some noise samples before you buy the fans.

>>102747299
Just undervolt/underclock it if you don't want the extra power. 7900 GRE is the same chip with disabled CUs, slow memory and 7800XT-like power limits, there's no need to downgrade. It will always be nice already have a GPU able to run more demanding games or a better monitor if you ever decide to.

>>102747349
sell it and get a 4070S then
its pretty fast for 1080p and 1440p and doesnt use a gorillion watts

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this case any good?

>>102747411
I have the Square fans for intake, and they are silent until like about 1200 rpm, at least in the sound environment of my room. thanks for the vid anon

>>102745057
Most of the base MSRP tier cards, known as reference design cards, have the minimum required power delivery and cooling components.
They will generally run louder, hotter, and have restricted power limits compared to costlier cards.
ASUS Dual is the better reference-tier card.

You start getting better-quality cards at the mid-range, and it's pretty competitive across manufacturers.
If you don't plan to water cool the video card, buy one with the largest heatsink and fans that fit comfortably into your case.

https://x.com/kopite7kimi/status/1844012353895223499

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

>>102747477
It's fine. Doesn't fuck anything up majorly so go for it if you really want that fishtank aesthetic.

>>102747349
Yeah then like the other anons said just downclock/limit it.

under what kind of workloads would the halved amount of cache on 8600G vs 7600 matter?
I'm not a programmer or any sort of creative (I occasionally do basic bulk photo editing in gimp, but nothing heavy on layers or other such edits)
I'm not a huge gaymer, and while it'd be nice to play some games on occasion, I'd be doing so at 1920*1080 100Hz, and I don't play modern AAA gaymes. if it's any reference, I think the latest game (that isn't some low end/low quality indie shit) I actively play is Beat Saber, which my Ryzen 2400G & RX 6700 did well enough as it is anyway. (I say "did" because there was an electrical fault, landlord/insurance won't cover it, I'm in the process of sperging out and complaining until I get compensated, but you know how landlords are...)

>>102746607
That I got? ASRock X870 Pro RS WiFi. I was gonna get the Pro RS non-wifi version but decided if I ever want the wifi module, easier to just get it now for $15 more.

>>102747551
Gaming mostly but only really when you have a dedicated card that lets the CPU stretch its legs. It's fine if you're just going to run the IGP for light games.

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12GB 5070 is practically official.

>>102746837
buckbroken arttrannoid detected

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-32-gb-rtx-5080-16-gb-rtx-5070-12-gb-ces-2025-launch/
Who's making up these false rumours about nvidia!??

>>102746621
>Are there any motherboard brands I should avoid?
According to various sources, Asus and Gigabyte kind of suck. Asus for shitty support and Gigabyte for shitty firmware. I always liked Asus in the past but I guess they went downhill while I wasn't paying attention. So ASRock is supposedly pretty good despite being on the cheaper end, and MSI I don't know much about but I suppose they're good too. NZXT uses ASRock boards.

Are there any decent prebuilts I can get for around 400 and upgrade later? I plan to get a 3060 and a 7800x3d for it afterwards. I was going to try building something but it's not really an option.

>vram?what do you need vram for? Use our latest ai slop that will generate vram itself!

>>102747571
I'd be (hopefully) using something similar in performance to the 6700 (generally low-mid range either way), but I'll assume the sentiment is similar since it's not an Nvidia x80 class or above?

guys i want a 6 or 8 tb external 3.5'' HDD. Is the WD Ultrastar worth it. they are super cheap,even cheaper than the WB blue.

>AYYMDEAD thought they could sell POODNA4 at $600 to undercut Nvidia

>Nvidia just casually drops RTX 5070 at CES 2025 also

>>102747565
AMD really did a number with X870
Not one spare pcie slot if you use both pcie 4.0 m.2 slots

>>102747636
It doesn't much matter here because the games you play are super light so any recent CPU will easily max out your monitor. With that said, if you're buying a dedicated card why even consider the 8600G? Very good price in your country?

>>102747615
Vram is like $30 per 8GB I have no idea what is Nvidia up to.

>>102747512
It will have 2x8pin power connectors right? ...right?

Why do you need more than 12gb of Vram? Installing all the cringe porn mods on skyrim to run at 4k?

>>102747688
yes

>>102747512
Cool. Never seen my 4070 super go above 220w and it's OC'd.

>>102747688
I like paying more for things I dont need

5070 12gb GDDR7 192-bit bus
5080 16gb GDDR7 256-bit bus
5090 24gb GDDR7 384-bit bus

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>>102747673
It's mostly the layout of the memory controller in the GPU dictating VRAM configuration.
If you don't add more controllers on the die, you need to double the memory capacity like the 4060Ti 16GB.
Then you end up having whacky product segmentation where a 4060Ti SKU has more VRAM than a 12GB 4070.

If you add more memory controllers to the GPU, you increase the die area.
The objective of every chip designer/manufacturer is to sell you the smallest possible chip.

>>102747728
5090M 24gb GDDR7 256-bit bus

8800XT 20gb GDDR6 320-bit bus
8700XT 16gb GDDR6 256-bit bus
8600XT 12gb GDDR6 192-bit bus

I tested cyberpunk with path tracing and this is the first time I've seen any difference from meme tracing

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It was over before it even began.

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Why aren't Europeans getting the inventory clearance deals? XTX is still €900 and up here wtf. It's unlikely I'm planning on buying an XTX, but if it reaches €700 I might as well since I have a massive urge of upgrading my 5700XT.

>>102747673
You need moar memory controller on the GPU which means a physically larger and more expensive GPU in order to handle extra memory channels. You also need moar physical traces from GPU to moar memory chips and the fatter the memory bus gets the more difficult it is to route the traces and you may need more expensive PCBs with more layers. This also gets harder and harder as the memory bus clock climbs.

This is also why the 5090 apparently having a 512b memory bus sounds insane, one really has to wonder how or why NVIDIA felt the need to do that.

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>>102747512
GIMPED 12GB AGAIN HAHAHAHAHAHA

is it stupid to base my gpu upgrade on techpowerup gpu database relative performance uplift?
I'm not sure what to buy quite yet, probably won't buy yet anyway, so a 7700XT/6800 or RTX 3070ti/4070 would be a 200% relative uplift (in testing suite) over my 5600XT - someone please tell me this is retarded

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>>102747349
Don't be an ungrateful shit and just be happy with what you have.

>>102747728
They will release a 5080 "Ti" with 24GB later.

>>102747806
I don't think amd has much presence in europe to begin with.

>>102747866
If you want to base your purchase on a single number, then I guess the averaged performance uplift is probably the number to go for.

>>102747806
Europe is costlier to do business in, it's the price of having better consumer protection laws.
European retailers also won't get more favorable bulk order deals compared to large-scale US & Chinese shops.
I wouldn't be surprised if even Newegg US gets a better deal than muh Mindfactory.de

>>102747806
Europe gets a lot fewer computer hardware deals and I don't understand the reason
t. burger

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remember mini gpus that were powerful enough to do everything

Yuropoor has 25% VAT, it's costly to do business in Yuropoor with all the mudslimes there not assimilating, not working and sucking up all the welfare money

>>102747238
yes, new best budget GPU

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>>102747866
Nah it ain't stupid. But you should also base it on use case. If you need productivity and AI, then going with Nvidia is the obvious choice. But if you're just a gayymer and casual dick around-er then AMD works just fine especially if you use Linux. What resolution are you using? If you don't wanna wait for the supposed cheap AMD gpus with AI uplifts a couple or few months from release then you can just get a used/refurbished 3080 Ti for $300, which is a great deal because it's about 7800XT performance and has a good feature set.

g2724d (27" monitor in the OP) is getting discontinued soon in favor of the much shittier, lower budget g2725d. if you're looking for a cheap 1440p panel that isn't ass, get it before black friday or forever languish in a slightly shittier world without one

>>102747923
You have more muslims than any EU country.

>>102747793
Dont care still getting a 285k

>>102747922
Dude it's a pascal
Everything that came after only got worse

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>9466mt/s gear 2
Holy shit

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UE5, RT-off btw.

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>>102748048
That's about the performance a 7900 XTX would get relative to 3090 Ti in RT scenarios.

i will be getting a 5090 day 1 and I will only use it to play roblox

>used RTX 30 series is way too power hungry, 40/50 series only have 12gb ram in the best price/performance category (x60, x70)
>AMD is light years behind in tech compared to nvidia
>consoles are bigger moneysinks than ever before

What are my options

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>>102747340
>>102747512
>>102747574
told you all, the only card that might have the 3gb modules at launch is the 5060.
also the 5080 will be $1600 and the 5090 will be $3000.

>>102746324
Your opinion on strix halo APUs? Is a laptop with one going to cost less than 1500 euro?

>>102748087
>AMD is light years behind in tech compared to nvidia
that is what the marketing has lead you to believe, yes

>>102748087
>>AMD is light years behind in tech compared to nvidia
in what way

>>102748087
Wait for 8800XT. It will close the gap in AI technology AND be 16gb AND also hopefully be $399 (if AMD isn't stupid enough to release them at DOA-tier pricetags)

Debating what to get for my cpu, I know the 7800x3d is good and all but surely it's not "twice the price of 7600x" good?

>>102748136
Holy delusion
>>102748137
Wait like the rest of us. But if you must, get the 7600 non X and just upgrade later.

WHAT IF I'M TIRED OF WAITING WHAT IF I WANNA HAVE A GOOD PC NOW

>>102747477
Look at all that room for poorly placed fans.

>>102748087
Wait for the RX 8800XT and re-assess after.
Chip development takes time, RDNA2 & 3 designs already started when RTX cards were unveiled for the first time (Turing 20 series).

>>102748087
What do you want to play?

>>102748172
>get the 7600 non X
Why not the X? It's not that much more expensive and I probably won't run the stock cooler anyway.

>>102748187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX0fIi3H-es

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>>102748136
>It will close the gap in AI technology AND be 16gb AND also hopefully be $399
>>102748172
>Holy delusion
They just never learn, RX 7650 GRE will sell around that price range ($300~$350).

>>102748137
IMO X3D is a scam. 9900X costs about the same but has vastly superior non-gaming performance. If you go up in resolution, the difference in performance in gaming becomes nil.

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>>102748172
>>102748235
The RDNA3.5 in PS5 Pro previews confirm it as much for us. The only thing I'd be delusional about would be the... $399 pricing. But that's due to my good nature and desire for AMD to do well in their business.

>>102748136
8800XT will be $499, expecting better pricing than that is setting yourself up for disappointment

why dont games have resolution scalers anymore? i cant pick say "88% resolution". i have to take the dlss quality down to 67%.

>>102748263
>But that's due to my good nature and desire
AMD doesn't care about you, that's why they've been shitting out crappy GPUs.
Buy the RX 7650 GRE @ AliExpress, that's the card you'll be able to afford.

>>102748080
From what I've seen, you need a monster CPU more so than a monster GPU for Roblox because shoddy programming

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>>102748285
I can afford the XTX, but I don't feel like being a degenerate who spends that kind of money on a GPU for gaming, especially when the highly anticipated hardware tech is just around the corner. Maybe if it goes down a couple hundred dollars first.

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>>102748199
It's more efficient anon. 98% of the performance for a lot less power draw and heat generated. And at that tdp, you absolutely can get away with the stock cooler. If not, sell it and make money. If you want that extra 2% performance, just clock it yourself.

>driver level fsr4
>driver level framegen
>driver level cas
8800xt won
novideo still requires per game support for everything

>>102748109
>>102748117
Ray tracing and DLSS

>>102747299
Why the fuck would you downgrade? Do you need the money from potentially selling it and buying something less powerful?

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>>102748265
>8800XT will be $499
You guys are just setting up yourselves for disappointment.
If it turns out to be a solid overall product, it's going to be a $600~$650 card.
$550 only if it's overall worse than the RTX 5070.

AMD wants to go back to the $650 6800XT pricing as soon as possible.
RX 7800XT cost $500 because it was a sidegrade to the 6800XT.

>But GRE and 7900XT raster & price
Then buy the GRE or the 7900XT if you don't care about the other features. Own what you say.

>>102748194
AAA games with ray tracing when available on a 4k tv. so DLSS and RTX is kind of a must.

>>102746338
Otona from Mankitsu Happening. One of the very few decent AV1 encodes on Nyaa

>>102748337
>Unreal Engine 5 with cpu bottleneck on the side when available on my VRR flicker TV so downscaling and driver overhead are a must

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god damn bitch

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Give it to me straight /pcbg/
I'm on an old EVGA 3060 and I want to upgrade i have budget of around 1300-1500
Theres are multiple triple A games I want to play early next year
What card do I get or should I really wait for the 50 series. My concern with that is if it gets announced at CES wouldn't that be still months before theres stock

>>102748374
What CPU and PSU do you have?

>>102748385
Intel 13700k
PSU has to be upgraded no matter what its like a 650W, the GPU and PSU are the only thing left from my old pre built I bought during covid

>>102747854
Nvidia are launching next generation texture compression and AI upscaling with their new cards, 12gb is more than enough for 4k now.

>>102748235
7650 is AMDs replacement for Navi 33 to get rid of the worst yields of Navi 32, I'm guessing it'll be $270, have two MCDs and be 8gb.
I'm also guessing they're going to drop the price on Navi 33, afaik AMD sold the last of Navi 23 in Q3 and they didn't make as much Navi 33 but they were trying to sell it to laptop vendors and likely have more than they were hoping for.
It also means that Navi 44 is probably delayed or maybe they'll only release the 8600XT for $299 and then think about releasing a lower sku later.

>>102747512
>>102747574
This will destroy the 350 watt 8700XT and 450 watt 8800XT

>>102748357
Good CPU's aren't hard to get. I already know my options. GPU's on the other hand are all over the place. Every option is shit either in specs, features or value.

>>102748193
I have no faith in AMD. I've been Nvidia since the 900 series because every AMD alternative has been plainly shit in one way or another. Whether that's power consumption, OGL drivers or because NV gimped them. Not taking that risk.

>>102748374
You're in a shitty situation overall.
>'budget of around 1300-1500'
>Not enough to buy 4090 or 5090, would feel pretty bad to buy a 4090 this late anyway.
>5080 is rumored to be better than 4090, but only rumors and availability concerns exist.
>Paying full price for 4080 Super months before RTX 50 launch feels pretty bad as well.
>4070 Super or 4070 Ti Super might make sense @ 1440p, but might not meet your performance and/or visual quality.

There's no real feel-good option for you.

>>102748430
you sound like a windows retard who bottlenecks his performance by 30% just to use a start menu.

>>102748436
I would be fine with 1440p I plan to get a 1400P oled anyway eventaully but yeah thats my concern. 4080 Super production is halting and not going down in price, 4070 ti super might be an option especially now with prime day but its still not the best.
I just want something that will last me a good bunch of years

>>102748413
>regurgitating marketing
But brawndos got what plants crave

>>102748136
>if AMD isn't stupid enough to release them at DOA-tier pricetags
lmao

>>102747655
yeah, I know. I can use 2/3 m.2 slots without losing PCIE_2. It is enough for me.

>>102748426
>Navi 33 to get rid of the worst yields of Navi 32, I'm guessing it'll be $270, have two MCDs and be 8gb.
Those MCM chips have a higher base cost due to the packaging complexity.
Keep your delusions to yourself.

>>102748403
Then you should just wait as it's only a couple months from announcement/release. 5090 will likely be out of stock pretty quick, but probably not the 5080, which will plausibly be priced $1200 at worst and come with new features that Ada Lovelace cards will be locked out from. Idk if I were you I'd cope in the meantime by clearing out less graphically demanding titles in the backlog first or something.

>>102748493
Yeah by like $10, actually do the maths

When is RTX 6000 Blackwell scheduled to be released?

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>>102748524
No, AMD's been selling the 7nm 6750 GRE @ $270~290.
They're going to sell cut-down Navi32 chips with 5nm GCDs and 6nm MCDs at a higher price, 100%.
This is the real world.

>>102747022
>7650 GRE with RDNA3
>in fucking 2025
is AMD stupid?

>>102748556
They overproduced Poovi32 chips, now desperate to get rid of them before Poovi4x goes on sale

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>>102747022
AHAHAHAHAHA
NVIDIA SABOTEURS COMPLETELY BTFO INTERNAL MANAGEMENT IN AMD
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>102748556
It's a China-only entry-level refresh, the additional hardware features in RDNA4 require a larger chip to accommodate them.

>>102748550
They're the garbage yields from the edge of the wafer, even if they sell them at cost they win. They won't be selling them at cost, obviously.

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Hey, bros. I've been waiting for the black friday sales to build my first PC but there seems to be some good sales now. However, I won't be building my PC till after I get the rest of the parts later during black friday, so am worried that if something I buy now ends up not working, I won't be able to return it because i waited a few months after acquiring all the parts. Currently looking at the XFX 7900 XT Black going for around $625 US. Is it worth picking up now, or should I wait till Black Friday when I acquire the rest of my parts? Also, any opinions on that card? I was originally planning on getting a 4070 TI Super, but the prices of the 7900 XT have gotten really low, don't know if the superior RT is really worth the extra $$$.

>>102748593
>even if they sell them at cost they win. They won't be selling them at cost, obviously.
Now add the board components, product testing, driver support, assembly & shipping fee.
They could be using those boards on more profitable cards as well.
Those are all priced in the final ASP.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-dual-rtx-3060-v2-oc.b9050
is this a good gpu for a fortnite roblox spawn

If I hook up a 4K tv to a pc gaming set up that already has two monitors (4K and one 1440p) should it still work fine? I'm hearing TV input lag isn't much of a big deal anymore but the sources I seeing are all just using one TV by itself. I live in a tiny dorm room so the TV is going to be right next to my pc set up across from my bed. Also I have a 4080 if that makes a difference I'm kind of new to this stuff. The TV is just going to be used for movies and third person games

I'm still sitting on a 5700XT and man, It feels like my only solution this late into the game is to sit on my current card until something new drops from nvidia or AMD

>>102748616
the last few black fridays were garbage
any parts on deal now is worth getting than waiting for it to be priced higher and cut down to the same or slightly higher than current price that you'll see on BF

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I am once again asking who makes the best 3rd party GPUs now that EVGA is kill

What is the appropriate replacement for an RTX 3060 12GB and an RTX 3060ti 8GB (both machines use i5 12400f)? I want to continue playing at 1080p and some optimized games like Diablo 4 on TV at 4k using DLSS. I use Stable Diffusion on one of the machines, but the other can take an AMD card.

>>102748525
Arrow Lake is definitely DOA, Intel wouldn't be giving price cuts if they had a winner.
Only makes sense for people who refuse to buy AMD CPUs.

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>>102747086
Get this.

>>102748646
4070 Ti Super or wait for 8800XT/5070.

>>102748640
Sapphire and XFX.

>>102748566
its actually Navi 31 they want to move, they recently managed to sell some Navi 32 in laptops and they probably had to sell them at cost and beg.

>>102748617
Most of that is the board partners problem. AMD just provides the bios and driver support.
If they've got a 7700XT board they're already 90% the way there

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>>102748646
You'd want something that doubles your existing performance, 4070 Ti Super.
4070 Super should be the bare minimum, but I wouldn't do this.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3060-ti.c3681

>>102748634
Same situation with the 5700XT. I'm planning on chilling out and clearing out less demanding titles while I wait for 8800XT/5080 to drop.

>>102748682
5080 is going to be $1600
5070 $700

>>102748646
7900XT

>>102748674
>If they've got a 7700XT board they're already 90% the way there
And they charge more for it, there's an opportunity cost.
For every 7650 GRE sold, that's a 7700XT sitting in the shelves.

Radeon is a for-profit business unit, that's why this 7650 GRE will be a China-only SKU to deal with defective chips.
Pricing will be surely above $300 in China.
They want the rest of the world to buy the 7700XT.

>>102748697
$1600 is bullshit. Even $1200 is stretching it.

>>102748697
please no

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>>102748717
Notice how he didn't refute the RTX 5070 pricing.
NVIDIA's already tried selling a 12GB card @ $800.

>delay new build for Zen 5
>it's shit
>delay new build for Arrow Lake
>it's shit
>"settle" for 7800X3D/9800X3D
>Blackwell not until CES 2025 instead of 24Q4
Fuck all this waiting
I'm just going to build after 9800X3D gets benchmarked and transfer my 3070 over while waiting for a 5080

>>102748717
But goy, it's guaranteed 4090 performance with better RT and we all know the 4090 was really a $2000 card, you're getting a discount, say thank you to Jensen

>>102748740
This time they'll swallow it

>>102748448
Nah I'm just normal.

>>102748740
>tried
they did

>>102748697
There is a literal 0% chance the 5080 is $1600, or anything over 1400 really

>>102748792
it's going to be $1600

>>102748640
>>102747501

>>102748744
9800X3D is probably going to be like $650 or something insane. Just save yourself the trouble and get 9900X.

>>102748755
xx70 pricing here has been utterly dogshit ever since 2070.
But that spells worry, since if 5070 is $700, AMD will try to set 8800XT at $600-650 like a parasitic duopoly.

>>102748440
is the lid flat this time, or are they still putting gamer dents on them?

>>102748803
4080 flopped at $1200
even if you assume the 5090 costs $3000 a 5080 for $1600 makes no sense because it would be worse price performance to the 4080S

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>>102748851
You will pay more for more performance.

Is there any list of good atx AM5 motherboards? I got a cheap 7800x3d and I need a motherboard for it.

>>102748818
9800X3D will be $450, same as the 7800X3D, they've restricted supply of the 7800X3D precisely to sell it at the same price.
Expect the 9950X3D to be KS tier pricing, $799 at least

>>102748887
Asrock Pro RS

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Is the temp oscilating between 70 and 85°C while gaming normal for i5 11400F?

>>102748887
B650 Aorus Elite AX (Rev 1) if it's sold at $200 or below, do not buy Rev 2, it's a cost-cut product

I bought a used X570 mobo to replace my B550 (Gonna continue using AM4 for what's gonna seem like a decade here, might as well get stock up on high-tier shit), but it also came with a 5950X. Given that everything works, should I replace my 5800X3D with it, or should I continue using the X3D considering my primary usage right now is gaming?
Also, it came with an arctic freezer 36 as well, and I'm considering replacing the NH-D15 with it because goodness gracious is the Noctua bulky. I think the cooling performance is close enough, considering what I've seen.

>>102748890
They should raise the MSRP of the 9800X3D to $479-499.

>>102748916
Stock cooler? Probably fine.
Depends on the case airflow and how cramped the components are.
Maybe it's time to repaste the chip.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-11400f/21.html

>>102748937
Why would you downgrade your gaming performance, multi threaded is a meme

>>102748937
Use the 5800X3D since it's a gaming system, and sell the 5950X

>>102748916
It's fine, but ideally it would be better to keep it under 80 with better air flow or just replacing the thermal paste if you haven't done that in a while.

So if media scales like shit from 1080p in a 1440p display, can't I just enable RTX Video and make it 1440p?

>>102748926
>>102748908
A lot of people seem to recommend Asrock B650E steel legend or Taichi lite? Steel legend seems to be fantastic and the price isn't that bad
>>102748926
I can't find any retailer selling elite AX below 2.0 where I live

>>102749041
ASRock B650/E boards are generally good value.
Taichi Lite and Steel Legend both are good.

just learned that if you blindly plug in your usbc and accidentally put it into a usb port you short your pc. just wtf

>>102749143
if your mobo is good it will detect the usb short and disable the port until next reboot.
if your mobo is bad it will turn off or die.

>>102748319
>Ray tracing
Ah yes, you'll use your 4060/4070 for ray tracing
I too enjoy 20-40FPS
>b-but I'll use AI frames and upscaling
at that point you're not even seeing the game anymore

If you want to play games in 1440p or 4k with DLSS, don't worry about the VRAM amount

>>102749230
>tfw my mobo is bad
wow should have bought a 500 dollar one

>>102748890
whatever
the
market
will
bear

>>102749143
That happened to me a couple days ago and the Asscock b450-f shut off with no damage

>>102748199
>>102748312
I'm against the 7600 if the cost difference to a 7600X isn't significant.
7600X effectively binned the worst 7600s away from you.

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Zoomer friends always impress me with how they speak about subjects they're not knowledgeable about, with such absolute conviction.

>>102749275
just dont go poking into random holes
some mobos have rgb coded ports now so you can tell in the dark

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>>102749319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGbW7orZS-A

>>102748982
>>102748984
I'll keep the 5800X3D, then.
I'm also gonna keep the 5950X, since my spare CPUs consist of a 3600 and 2400G... Not really the best fallbacks if something happens.

>>102749319
>>102749343
It's only an issue above their tdp, no?

>>102749105
thanks
I think I will go for a steel legend

>>102749320
This every time anyone talks about VRAM but it's obvious they have no idea about the relationship between memory channels, bus width, VRAM chip capacities, and design and cost complexities.
>BUT WHY CAN'T THEY JUST PUT MORE VRAM ON IT? IT ONLY COSTS $X FOR 8GB CHIPS

>>102749269
>I too enjoy 20-40FPS
Literally AMD cards are the ones getting 40 fps with ray tracing lmao

>>102749403
There's still massive variance from just 13 different samples, 250MHz stock all-core difference.
That's just the frequency, the best chip in that chart only draws 1.255mV @ stock. Still a 50MHz boost difference to the second-best chip.

>>102746324
why avoid 13 gen intel? im considering a 13600k for a purely gaming and future-proof build around $1k.

>>102749444
That's pretty scummy of them if true in a larger sample size.

>>102749459
If you're in the US, get the 12700KF Amazon Prime deal for under $180.
If you want a future-proof build, you'd be getting an AM5 system with a 7600X.

>>102749459
AMD shilling
Get the 13700K its a great CPU and is on sale right now too on amazon

>>102749466
Even that best sample failed the 7600X qualifying standards.
The cost difference between the two is currently less than $10 in the US.
Not bad for a binning premium.

>>102749480
I assumed that 7500f would be the ones that didn't make it up to standard, not 7600.

>>102749431
>b-but AMD
who's talking about AMD, retard
4070 just isn't powerful enough
https://youtu.be/Jrnkw5RGecI?t=56

Any use getting a 7800X3D when gaming at 4k? Can't I just get something like a 7700X for almost half the price?

>>102749509
7500F are using even worse 6-core CCDs with a lower base/boost clock than the 7600.

>>102749519
Whos talking about 4060/4070s AMD tard

>>102749459
13 and 14 gen used to overvolt themselves to death in gaming workloads. Intel claims to have fixed it, but Intel has claimed many untruthful things in the past.

>>102749530
Slightly less stutters
No it's not worth twice as much. It's price got mega inflated in the last month since zen5 turned out to be poo, and every 13/14th gen owner who got burned bought one of those

>>102749466
That Y-axis is seriously truncated. A 5% difference in all-core boost from best to worst sample is par for the course at these things go.
Not to say you shouldn't buy the X version at a $10 bump - in practical terms it's near enough 1:1 performance for your money which is fair.

>>102749530
Depends on your GPU. If you're rocking a 4090 then yeah why not, not every game at 4K is gonna rape a GPU like a 4090, especially older games where CPU might hold you back at higher framerates. Otherwise nah it's not worth it because you'll almost certainly be GPU bottlenecked.

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>>102746613
Current rumors say RTX 5070 release near CES 2025 in January

>>102747673
Retards like you think VRAM can just be slapped on any card. These chips are specifically designed with specific memory controllers in mind

>>102747866
Avoid Radeon for the time being
Right now the 4070 is worse perf/$ than the 4070 Super, but you should be waitingTM for the 5070 in January at this point.

>>102748048
Techpowerup often tests in more demanding areas. GameGPU got numbers that are more in line with other UE5 games (more usual scaling between Geforce and Radeon and higher framerates in general)
Of course that doesn't mean Radeon is even close to worth buying, especially when you can mod in Ray Reconstruction and get far better image quality. Radecan't
https://youtu.be/zKbzaxuU-UU?si=LfVdLXkDbms2qLQI

>>102749519
Nta but this is the regular 4070 and it still performs well. A few setting tweaked and it'll be fine. I'd say 4070s is the minimum I'd recommend for RT but you can absolutely do RT with optimised setting below that.

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Is this a good upgrade bundle? I can slot my 1070 into it for now

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/lunar-lakes-igpu-debut-of-intels

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

>>102749540
>Whos talking about 4060/4070s
You, you braindead nigger retard

see >>102748087
>used RTX 30 series is way too power hungry, 40/50 series only have 12gb ram in the best price/performance category (x60, x70)
>40 series
>(x60, x70)
what do you think that is?
Hint, it's the 4060/4070

Slit your wrists, never post a single thing again

>>102749530
Hard to recommend it at $450+ but when it's in stock I'd say yes. A 4k gaming rig is already a "waste" so no sense skimping on the CPU. Like getting manual windows on a Huracan.

>>102749599
>Gaytracing
wont make your dad come back

>>102749602
>Nta but this is the regular 4070
yeah because he said x60 / x70.
4070 super probably does fine for 1440p RT 60fps

>>102749636
The 970 and 960 came with 4gb which was fine for the time. 1060 came with 6gb and 1070 with 8gb which was also more than fine for the time. Dunno about anything more recent but the ram skimping has definitely become worse.

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>>102748276
DLSS will be better
It's often better than 100% resolution scaling
You are retarded if you don't understand this

>>102748317
No

>>102748374
If you're in the USA, you'll be able to get one at launch. RTX 40 was easily available at launch

>>102748413
>next generation texture compression
I'll believe it when I see it

>>102748616
DLSS is the biggest selling point of Geforce cards. DLSS makes a 4070 as good or better than an 7900 XTX

>>102749639
If it's not giving me more fps in games there's no reason to get one? I won't buy one just because
>>102749576
I got a 4080. A 7700x is 235€ here while 7800x3d is 410€

>>102749666
I can't find the article anymore, but I remember an NVIDIA executive stating they were running a bad business by having their customers return once every four to five years or so.
It could've been Jensen himself.

>>102749684
It'll give you more low% FPS, arguably more important than average, and more FPS in general when CPU bound (older games, indies, sims, etc.). Again, don't buy one at scalped prices but consider it if it goes back down to €350. Electric windows and heated seats don't "get" you anything either.

>>102748526
Please answer

>>102749636
>reddit spacing
go back AMD tard

>>102749744
As soon as it's ready, probably Q1 '25.
It's a higher-margin product compared to GeForce cards.

>>102746324
BOOBA

>>102749604
>16gb

>>102749769
16 gb is more than enough

>>102749604
Bad value.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GvJ9N6
Changed the motherboard to guarantee CPU compatibility without BIOS updates.

>>102749788
Enough for notepad I assume

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>>102748646
Wait for the 5070 in January

>>102749519
I'm seeing 60+ FPS in most cases
The 4070 is good for all meaningful last gen RT games like Metro Exodus, Dying Light 2, Spooderman, etc
Current gen is more hit or miss, while full path tracing (e.g., Cyberpunk 2077) is out of the question on a 4070 in my opinion. Of course native is dead, so DLSS makes games like Silent Hill 2 at max very playable
https://youtu.be/_NkCCkHVB80?si=nGASWb8SEgRIOuy0&t=430

>>102748048
AMD performance is genuinely depressing, all the rumours of their next gen say their top cad will be between a 7900XT and XTX

Looking at charts like this, man, 5070 is going to destroy it. Is RDNA just a bad architecture?

>>102749796
>Wait for the 5070 in January
The RTX 5070 is rumored to be announced in January, it will probably be the last of the three models to actually be available (launch).
Whether it'll be a January or Feb launch, who knows?

>>102746381
in just two more weeks

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If the 50s get announced in early January, how would they arrive to launch the same month/next month?

>>102749842
Is it cheaper and better than a 4060Ti?
This is DOA under $250

its over. intel already discounted arrowlake before it even launched

>>102749860
Nah, it'll be a hype cycle for a month, launch the 5090 first to get the halo hype for the stack, then launch the 80s about a month later, then another month until the 70s, then the 60s later in the year.

Similar play to the 40 series.

>>102749824
Compare nyidia R&D budget vs AMD R&D budget.
It's not AMD that's unusually inept, it's nvidia that can hire all the best engineers, bribe all the relevant salespeople, and generally drown any problem with money, the AI first mover advantage is insurmountable.

>>102749860
>>102749829
>>102749888
Current rumors say RTX 5090, 5080, 5070 to LAUNCH in January

>>102749913
Again, how would it launch in January if its apparently getting shown at CES

>>102749599
But I'm avoiding RTX because of all the driver issues with them right now

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waitfag chads, we will win in the end.

>>102749928
Waiting for the 7090 TI super

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>>102749824
AMD Radeon group was caught unaware of the features added in RTX 20 series cards (Tensor & RT cores).
By that time, RDNA2 and 3 design and production plans were well underway and they couldn't make major hardware revisions to either chip without a massive investment.
They also didn't expect DLSS to mature as well as it had.
FSR is so bad, that it's behind Intel's and even console manufacturers like Sony are developing proprietary hardware-accelerated upscaling technology.

What made things worse with RDNA3 is their MCD chiplets + GCD packaging didn't deliver the performance it needed to recoup healthy return on investments.

That's why the higher-end RDNA4s got canceled and they're just trying to get more modern features into RDNA4.

It's like Intel playing catchup to Ryzen CPUs since Zen 2, but AMD doesn't have a loss-making foundry business weighing them down.

>>102749867
>Is it cheaper
Very likely
>and better
very likely

>>102746324
>4K: RX 7900 XT, RX 7900 XTX
kek, someone made rajeesh angry

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>AMD
>Better than anything

>>102749911
Nvidia was in this position way before their AI buff, they had the mobile gpu market on lockdown, and every system builder and OEM in their pocket.
Now that dose not disqualify AMD from being inept, because they are. But it's fair to say their market position is weighted (though earned)

>>102749924
How is this so difficult for you to understand?

>>102749886
you have to give it to intel to not jew this out. amd is trying to jew us 4nm 6 core for $300 mean intel gives us 3nm bajillion cores for the same price

>>102749927
FUD
No one is buying Radeon trash

>>102749913
>'NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 50 "Blackwell" GPUs including the RTX 5090, RTX 5080, and RTX 5070 will be announced at CES 2025'
An announcement isn't a launch date.
The PS5 Pro was announced last month, but they're not being sold yet.

>>102749911
>AMD R&D
reminder that their r&d is now in india https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-11-27-amd-inaugurates-its-largest-global-design-center-in-india.html

Anyone else getting pretty tired of all the shit products? Intel with its e-waste core meme and shitty QC, AMD with its shitty mainboards (maybe the fault of the mb manufacturers), Nvidia with its fucking greedy prices, AMD GPUs with no value outside of gayming.
I'm still waiting for an upgrade for my 9700K but I'm not paying the stupid tax for the 7800X3D atm.

>>102749867
China-only product, global release only if there are too many defective chips to sell through.
AMD will still try to sell as many 7700XTs to the rest of the world.

>>102749860
At least 1 card will release 2-4 weeks after the announcement

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>>102750007
intel new e-cores are now as fast as raptorlake's p core while drawing way less power

>>102749980
but my team have many driver issues thats why Im not buying them your post makes no sense and reeks of insecurity.

>>102750060
Intel slide shill still coping with .jpg files.

i do not like amd

>>102747565
Why didn't you get Asrock's X870E Nova Wifi? It's 'only' 350 bucks!
It provides 5 (five!) M.2 slots that can ALL be used at their FULL speed without stealing ANY lanes from the PCIE 5.0 x16 GPU slot. If you don't need more than x2 lanes in the lower PCIE 3.0 x16 slot this is by far the best deal of all the X870(E) boards.

>>102750007
Get used to it, this is the end of the tech tree, and it will in fact become lostech as boomers and Xers age out of the job market.

>>102750060
How many of those e-cores are going to handle critical single-threaded workloads?
0.

>>102750100
>>102750100

>>102749957
ok pedophile

>>102748094
> the 5080 will be $1600 and the 5090 will be $3000.
Aussie dollars, yes.

>>102750060
What the fuck do I care? I want a desktop CPU, not some pseudo mobile shit that still draws 3 times the power of a similar chip with actual power efficiency.
>>102750092
Well fuck me. Last CPU I would've bought was the 10900K and that wasn't worth it back then. GPU wise I fell for the low availability scam and bought the 3080Ti for 1200€. Not going to upgrade that anytime soon, especially with every Nvidia GPU being severely gimped except the 90 model.

>>102748187
Learn patience, grasshopper.

>>102748374
> What card do I get or should I really wait for the 50 series
Never buy a card at the end of life of a generation. Prices never go down enough to justify getting old tech. Always buy as shortly after launch as availability and pricing allow so that you get the max return of investment in terms of usability and enjoyment over time.

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>>102748640

>>102748717
It makes sense if you assume he's an aussie.

>>102748818
>>102748890
I expect $499. This much I reserved in my budget.

>>102748818
> 9900X
https://www.igorslab.de/en/ryzen-9-9900x-disappoints-in-gaming-first-benchmarks-show-gap-to-7800x3d/

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>>102749913
When marketing says 'LAUNCH' it means 'on paper', i.e. 'in ads', 'in youtube promotion' etc.
In reality the cards won't be available before spring.

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Opened up my GPU to repaste and the screws I circled won't go into the holes I circled no matter what. What do I do? Does this hurt the mounting pressure? I applied some PTM7950 and the thermal performance is terrible even after heat cycling a couple times (Admittedly It has barely been a day of usage. I've just tried to leave some games on for a bit to let it cook and then close to let it reform)

What do anons?

>>102750863
forgot to say, it's not my pics but i have the same model

>>102749599
>Retards like you think VRAM can just be slapped on any card. These chips are specifically designed with specific memory controllers in mind

>Chinks reballing 4090 cores into 3090 PCB's and getting 48 gigs of vram by replacing the modules

kek

>>102750863
No refunds, kek

>>102750921
Second hand card so RMA was never an option

>>102748818
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/100900/amd-ryzen-9800x3d-benchmark-suggests-this-wont-be-just-great-gaming-cpu-but-an-all-rounder/index.html

>>102750863
>Opened up my GPU to repaste and the screws I circled won't go into the holes I circled no matter what. What do I do? Does this hurt the mounting pressure?
Yes, it's affecting the mounting pressure.
Find & watch some assembly videos for that card online like NortwestRepair

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>>102747574
If this is true, how can we get the same amount of uproar that got NVIDIA to change the 4080 12GB to the 4070 ti? They are trying to pull this shit again. If there is enough pushback, the current 5080 will be relabeled as the 5070 ti, and the current 5070 will be relabeled as the 5060 ti. This needs to happen.

>>102751191
The difference in VRAM capacity didn't cause the outrage.
It's the different chips.
4080 16GB has an AD103 chip the 4080 12GB was specced to have the inferior AD104 chip.
It's deceptive to market these two cards as simply having different memory capacities.
That is what convinced NVIDIA to pull the plug.

>>102750863
update: opened it up, i forgot to remove the protective film on the other side of the pad, works completely fine now