>>102763641
>>102763649
>>102763610
>>102763608
>>102763582
https://old.reddit.com/r/AyyMD/comments/w5tazn/discord_server/

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>cheaper and faster
Intel wins again

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why do you all still use windows & direct x on your pc btw? serious question dont ignore if you do you are a robot.

>>102763670
THANK YOU BASED INTEL

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WHEN CAN I BUY A 5090

>>102763699
I play VR.

>>102763694
amd should just discontinue vanilla zen5. they should just focus on restocking x3d

>12
>GI
>GA
>BYTE
>V
>RAM
>50
>70

L
M
A
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>>102763753
still faster than the turd amd is churning out

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>>102763694
>Loss-making company releasing their newest client processors at a discount
It's not good news, no matter how hard you try to spin it.

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>>102763733
nice

>Games don't even use 24GB of VRAM
>put 32GB on the 5090
>16 on the 5080
LMAOing at anyone upgrading this generation

>>102763641
>Montech 100
Doesn't it seem a bit restrictive when there are cases like the Montech X3 mesh
https://www.montechpc.com/en/products_detail.php?nid=229
and the Kolink observatory HF mesh ARGB
https://kolink.eu/Home/case-1/midi-tower-2/observatory-series/observatory-hf-mesh.html
Same build quality, same or better air flow, with more pre installed fans, and ATX compatibility for the long term if you want to switch over. Not to mention they are both around the same price if not slightly cheaper.
Or am I missing something?

How do you know if your processor or GPU are deteriorating? More stutters?

>>102763844
Loss of performance under the same exact conditions. Same temperatures and such, same OS, same running shit.

>>102763844
>More stutters?
Usually a software issue.
Maybe check the component temperatures, thermal throttling can lower boost clocks to the point of stutter/slideshows.
A clear sign of chip degradation is needing more volts to run at the same performance level.
If the chip can't get the volts it needs, it will cause errors or an application/system crash.

>>102763844
when one of the fans goes ACKACKACKACKACKACKACKACKACKACKACKACK so you buy some replacements but then get blue screens and so research for hours to then go back to a previous driver version and open it up to apply thermal paste but it still doesn't work so you use msi afterburner to tweak it and it's finally stable but now you're paranoid about anything and some programs create spikes that BSOD you again so you just give up

>GTX Titan X: 100% die use
>980 Ti: 91.7% die use

>Titan Xp: 100% die use
>1080 Ti: 93.3% die use

>Titan RTX: 100% die use
>RTX 2080 Ti: 94.4% die use

>RTX 3090: 97.6% die use
>RTX 3080 Ti: 95.2% die use

>RTX 4090: 88.9% die use
>RTX 4080 SUPER: 55.6% die use

>RTX 5090: 88.5% die use on GB202
>RTX 5080: different die than 5090, 100% die use on GB203

LMAOOOOOOO

Jensen "The Way It's Meant To Be Payed" Huang really outdid himself with this one didn't he

>>102763899
Are you fucking retarded? 4080 Super is not the same die as 4090

Just kill yourself faggot

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Intelsisters???

>>102763760
What discount? Prices are the same as 14th gen. This shit will sell worse than ZEN5. Especially since motherboards will be expensive as fuck.

>>102763929
This is a joke.

>>102763888
>>102763844
speaking of this how do you tell if a driver issue is the gpu and not some other component using a driver?

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Xe3-Graphics-Start-Linux

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

>-2% in gaming
>shit multi threading
>still worse efficiency than AMD

Literally what the fuck are they thinking? This entire year is a fucking disaster.

I guess I'll just grab a 7700 and 4070 TiS on black friday and stop caring about this shit for next 5 years. Fuck this hobby.

>>102763951
The specific AMD/Intel/NVIDIA display driver app will crash if it's a video card-related issue.
Set an unreasonable GPU overclock and run any 3DMark benchmark to cause a crash.
The display driver's going to restart.

>>102763934
i7s and i5s, the higher volume products are discounted.
Probably because it'll bench even worse compared to their previous counterparts.

>Intel CPUs suck
>Nvidia shitting out bad generation
>AMD GPUs even worse
>AMD apparently not trying as hard on CPUs now that Intel sucks
Truly dark times

>switch from 8bit to 10bit on SDR through the nvidia panel
>everything looks desaturated
Is this normal? I'm retarded, I'm trying to understand how this works

>>102763987
But you HAVE TO WAIT FOR 8800XT
4080 Super performance @ $399~499!

>>102764010
AMD just did a conversion of 7 sockets to one socket at same performance and x5 less power. They are trying with CPUs really hard.

>>102764010
STFU faggot

Nvidia Blackwell will be the biggest GPU microarchitecture shift and it will embarass all you Nvidia haters that don't understand GPU technology

Zen5 is pretty much Haswell all over again. When Intel didn't even try because AMD sucked massive dick. But this time they have exchanged positions.

>>102764073
It's the same node and 5090 uses 30% more power actual generational gain will be like 15%.

>>102763997
werent intel cpu issues causing gpu errors and driver crashes? in that case it wasnt the gpu driver fault. the only way people even found out is because intel told ppl.

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>>102764073
LMAO triggered much? I am an Nvidia user retard, anyone with half a brain can see the 50 series is going to be an overpriced mess. Let me guess, you're about to upgrade

>>102764073
+33% cores at +33% exactly, I don't know man, doesn't look good for nvidia

AM4 chads stay winning

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I still have no idea what this does

>>102764106
it's an APU but fashionable.

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>>102764106

>>102764010
>intel is now a fabrication company
>nvidia is now an ai company
>amd is now a server company
gayming market is DEAD

>>102764089
>werent intel cpu issues causing gpu errors and driver crashes?
Game engines were reporting the wrong error messages, that's not Intel's problem.
Most of those CPUs were crashing because contrary to popular opinion, the board manufacturers undervolted the processors at higher current loads (unstably low CPU AC LL).
The CPU wasn't getting the volts needed to stably compile shaders at maximum-rated all-core boosts.

Intel's predictive boosting algorithm is supposed to anticipate future workloads that may demand all-core boost performance, and pre-emptively request enough voltage to complete that task.
There was a flaw in that predictive algorithm that asked for more (dangerous) headroom voltage than it was ever supposed to.

>>102764127
let's pray MCM GPU becomes a common thing otherwise we won't get any at all. the fact that zen is a superb data center CPU and at the same time is a very decent consumer product is thanks to that

Wait, arrowlake's successor is novalake which is 14A not 18A

>>102764178
So Intel's going to hold their dicks until late '26?

>RTX 5090 – $1,999 to $2,499
>RTX 5080 – $1,199 to 1,499
>RTX 5070 – $599 – $699
WHEW

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5070 12gb GDDR7 192-bit bus $799
5080 16gb GDDR7 256-bit bus $1099
5090 24gb GDDR7 384-bit bus $1699

8800XT 20GB GDDR6+InfinityCache 320-bit bus $799
8700XT 16GB GDDR6+InfinityCache 256-bit bus $649
8600XT 12GB GDDR6+InfinityCache 192-bit bus $499

2025

>>102764212
There's Panther Lake, but that's a laptop arch.

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>>102764212
hopefully arrowlake refresh with double e-core will come out cause there's definitely room for it.

>>102764106
it generates porn images of your waifu of choice

>>102764252
>8800XT 20GB GDDR6+InfinityCache 320-bit bus $799
if that is true then it is so joever for AMD

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>>102764252
This prediction's better than those 8800XT @ $399~499 faggots, brain-rotted by MLID.
Compare his Navi33 leak to real specs.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-navi-33.g1001

>>102764252
the 5090 has 32 GB

>>102764106
It runs NSA data analytics on the data it collected on you.

>>102764313
that SKU changed into the 5090ti and that will use a 512bit bus. will launch later not soon.

if intel made x3d competitors they'd wipe the floor with zen 5%
sadly they self sabotaged as usual

>>102763641
So, do you think 5090 will cost 2.5k euro? Is there a hope?

>>102764290
Not that that TOPS it doesn't.

>>102764306
die size and cache size are Wayyy off lol

>>102764327
it changed in a day?

>>102764351
im MLID

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It feels good to purchase a cpu that wasn't made with brown hands. Intel, I'm coming home.

>>102764327
All leaks are showing the 5090 having 32GB with a 512bit bus, 170/192 SMs, 21,760/24,576 cores. The 5090 Ti (if they even make one) will fill out those SMs and cores

>>102764404
The development team responsible for the Skymont E-Cores are Israelis.
You know, the more advanced core.

>>102764404
Intel is using TSMC for their newest chips

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>>102764404
https://www.jpost.com/brandblend/the-ai-revolution-of-intel-processors-faster-more-powerful-and-smarter-818748

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Rate my grail build. Going to stuff this into a Midori 5L. just not sure how much I trust the 12VHPWR connectors for newer cards.

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>Racists ignorantly shilling Kosher CPUs.

>>102764452
that's a pretty mid build for a grail build

>>102764469
We love israel here fuck palestine

>>102764452
>12400f

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>>102764469
Hello Indian friend. How's your night?

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it's all jeetoids?

>>102764452
>4tb ssd
>64gb of ram
>170eur PCU and noctua fans
>with i5 12400f and 4070ti super

Sounds stupid. My main rule of a thumb for building a pc is to buy the best gpu/cpu and then choose everything else depending on how much money you have left.

>>102764497
always has been

>>102764452
>flex atx psu
WHHHHHHIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>102764452
Too much money is wasted on that form factor.
12400F and other Intel non-K CPUs have a lower voltage limit for the CPU SA/VDD/VDDQ, so you might not be able to enable those memory XMP speeds.
Maybe a 6000MT/s CL30 XMP will work.

Buying Noctua fans, 4TB 990 Pro NVMe, and a 600W SFX PSU to power and cool a 12400F is just stupid.

>>102764452
Why the fuck are you getting 64GB of RAM? Cut that in half and put that money into a better processor lol

>>102763641
>AVOID: Intel 13/14 series

Why?

>>102764592
voltage issues wrecking the processor, but apparently it is fixed now

>>102764252
AMD won

there is only one xmp profile in my bios, and it crashes a lot of stuff when its turned on. can i get other profiles or will i have to manually clock it.

>>102763641
I've got 15 shares of AMD.
It's a bloodbath ngl.

>>102764592
There was a flaw in their CPU's boost algorithm and thermal velocity boost feature that ended up requesting dangerously high voltages to the processor when the chip anticipated a heavy all-core workload.
It mostly affected i9s because their factory-fused V/F tables were set closer to the edge.
The high volts and temps ended up degrading the compute core's clock tree circuit.

Slightly more info in >>102764153
Intel pushed some microcode updates to prevent this issue from reoccurring (hard VR voltage limit)
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/m-p/1633442

>Granite Rapids absolutely obliterated
>Barrow Lake doa, along with the whole platform
>Battlemage is vapourware
What's even left for Intel at this point?

>>102764680
You've lost $111.53, better kill yourself

>>102764680
Yeah, we're back to Tuesday, consequences will never be the same.

Can someone tldr Zen 4 PBO tuning, specifically 7700x?
I set curve optimizer to -15. I'm not looking for extreme gains or anything I just want slightly lower temps and don't want to spend days stress testing.
Temp target is set to 85C
PTT is set to 100W

When I run cinebench (r23 multicore), the CPU maxes out at 4.9GHz and 72C. HWInfo shows the CPU is hitting the 100W limit.

I don't mind the CPU going up to 85C why is it capping out at 72C (and 4.9GHz)? Is it because it's hitting the 100W power usage limit I set? Isn't the 7700x's max wattage only 105W? Would 5 extra watts make that big of a difference?

How do people stress test stuff in 2024? Google shows people using P95, Cinebench, OCCT, etc. But some of these people say their settings work in stress testing but will crash when idle

>>102764680
>buy high sell low

>>102764716
>better kill yourself
No need, I will starve to death soon enough.

WHERE IS THE 9800X3D AAAAHHHHHH

>>102764714
>Barrow Lake
What are you guys even expecting out of this crap?
If this crap is real, it's a Q3 '25 release, why are you hoping to buy a power-inefficient and overall inferior 10nm CPU next year?
Multicore performance is going to be worse than Raptor Lake's, and single-threaded performance is already pushed to the edge with the 14900K/S.

>>102764766
CES 2025

>>102764767
I thought the guy was referring to Bartlett Lake, btw.

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>>102764566
poorfag cope

>>102764805
You're the poorfag for living in a cramped pod where PC form factor is even a consideration.

>>102764805
>Low-profile Thermalright CPU cooler
>Inno3D video card
>B760I board
>12400F
>Mixed with Noctua fans and Samsung 990 Pro
It's a poser build.

>>102764473
>>102764489
>>102764579
Do i really need a better processor if all i'm planning on using this for is gay-mihn?

and yes, definitely limited on a lot due to form factor which is the main point of this. I want it as compact as possible while trying to stay as cool as possible, hence the lower TDP processor and good case fans.

>>102764885
with that gpu and gaymin? yeah you do want a better cpu 7800x3d or 7700 non x would be ideal

>>102764735
>But some of these people say their settings work in stress testing but will crash when idle
correct. welcome to dynamic frequency scaling.
just use the computer like normal. even if you dont get hard system lockups you may get things like software crashing or shader compiling failure causing game glitches.

>>102764339
I hope it will cost 5k euro

>>102764885
Do you really need 64GB of RAM if all you're doing is gay-mihn?

i heard from somewhere that the i5-i9 is actually a quality classification of the processor and not the model, i9 being supreme quality and having no flaws in the construction and i5 being lowest quality and may not work as expected.

>>102764925
No only for videoshit and professional music production (100+ tracks)

>>102764971
>lowest quality and may not work as expected.
The chips are all supposed to work within published specifications, whether it's an i9 or i5 CPU.
i9s are made out of CPU dies with no defects on the compute cores and their frequency can boost higher @ designated operating voltages.
Chips with defects on the cores or can't meet the target operating frequencies have defects fused off and sold as a lower-tier product.

My parts will all arrive by 14th. I should've recieved all the parts yesterday.

>>102765049
Have fun building and using it

>>102765059
Thanks anon. I'll post once the build is complete.

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Chip manufacturing is a very delicate process & there's process variation across chips produced on the same wafer.
>This image represents a single tool and a single process.
>A semiconductor wafer is manufactured using over one hundred such processes, so the end result is a wafer with over one hundred such patterns overlaid on top of one another.
>This means that every transistor across the surface of the wafer has ample reason to perform differently than any of its billions of counterparts.

>Transistors that were designed to be identical might be slower or faster than one another, or leakier or less leaky.
Processor binning is a way chip designers & manufacturers deal with the variance in performance characteristics.
https://semiengineering.com/no-two-chips-are-alike/

>>102764906
nothing over a 7600xt will fit in the smol ass case i like.
>>102764925
and i guess i can get by with just 32gb ddr5.

>>102765209
>nothing over a 7600xt will fit in the smol ass case i like.

I am talking about cpu not gpu

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>>102763641
still 50$ more than nvidia's stock & 140$ more than intel's stock

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>>102765235
I don't think you understand how market cap or stock splitting works anon

>>102765235
lol that's not how it works dude

>>102764404
sars no AMD is good sars!

>Zen 5 Epyc is an performance monster at a super-competitive price
>Zen 5 desktop is an overpriced nothingburger
Is there anything more cucked than being a desktop chip consumer, getting sloppy seconds and rejected bins from the datacenter business?

How do you use both the nvidia app and MSI afterburner without issues?
I want to undervolt this 4070 super and it seems that's only doable through afterburner.

>>102765258
https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-11-27-amd-inaugurates-its-largest-global-design-center-in-india.html
>Retard

>>102764252
At least make 5070 16GB, 5080 24GB, and 5090 32GB at those prices. 12GB at $800 is really uncomfortable. You're like right at the edge of being obsolete.

Damn it, I need the best GPU when I upgrade but the 5090 has 32GB of VRAM which is just insane for gaming, zero justification. The 5080 will only have 16 though, which is also insane. The 5080 will also only have HALF the cores of a 5090, which is ALSO insane. What the fuck is Nvidia doing?

>>102765382
fucking the consumer as hard as possible

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AYYMDEAD HOUSEFIRES

>>102765382
You don't need the best if all you're doing is gayming.

>>102765409
FALSE

>>102765403
I'm tired of this deranged shill retard persona of yours, get new material.

>>102765331
Delete the beta NVIDIA app or don't apply any of its hardware tuning features.
Do all hardware tuning on Afterburner.

>>102765363
their excuse is its using GDDR7 so its newer & faster. dlss4 will entice fags to keep playing at 1707x960 on their 1440p monitor.

Whew lad, I feel bad for any of you looking to upgrade right now...

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>>102765403
500W through that large IHS is fine.

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>amd shit the bed
>intel shit the bed
>x3d prices skyrocketing
it's over bros I waited too long

>>102765499
same man I'm pissed. I had the cash back in May but didn't want to buy until I could get everything all at once in case anything fucked up. I didn't want to be too far out of a return window. Shit sucks man.

>>102765403
>server chip with 192 cores uses same power as intel 24 core

>>102765310
How did we get to the point that a CPU can be designed to work great in one operating circumstance and garbage in another? What's so damn special about server workloads that is almost total inapplicable to what normal people use their deskops and laptops for? AMD spent ungodly sums of R&D funds and two years of time for nothing to show outside EPYC, i's complete design schizophrenia.

>b-but power efficiency!
cope, this CPU gen is a fucking joke

>>102765530
The only solution for waiting too long is to wait longer. Look at it this way: Zen 4/X3D, Zen 5, Alder Lake, Intel 13th, 14, & 15th Gens are ALL basically the same so around Black Friday pickup whatever CPU/Mobo Combo has the deepest discounts.

>>102765246
>>102765256
google stock price amd & stock price nvidia
Feel free to cope however you want when you're faced with the facts

>>102765634
https://companiesmarketcap.com/nvidia/stock-splits/

uh oh

>>102765576
Desktop is an R&D afterthought, and gaming is a unique workload that depends greatly on single core performance and random memory access latency in a way that almost no other workload does.

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>>102765682
the fucking RX 6750 GRE

>>102765659
>$134.24 Share price
Meanwhile AMD
>$162.45 Share price

even on your nvidia shilling site, it's still lower LOL

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>>102765697

>>102765634
>>102765697
you keep self owning and you don't even know it, kek

is there an LLM out there trained to be as stupid and obnoxious as possible while still being able to maintain the illusion of a coherent conversation?

>>102765697
mental retardation or very good rolling

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>>102765382
You don't need more than this.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rtQpdH

>>102765722
niggers

>>102765363
They're going to release a cut down 5080 and then release the full version which is 24gb later. That way they can get away with the 4080 12gb fuckery they tried.

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>>102765729
>4060

>>102765612
>wait longer
I don't know man, feels kind of fucked.
>Intel shitting the bed with bad parts and worse PR months ago pivoting a lot of people over to AMD resulting in this absurd price hike
>5000 series leaks already has people pissed off, might change, but might not
>if no change, the 4080 Super and 4090 are very likely to become the go-to gaming cards for top level building (which is what I wanted this time around instead of a budget machine)
>if that does happen, those prices will go up as well for another generation or until people quit paying the premiums for them
I don't know a lot about how it all works but I do know that the parts I wanted feel like they're going to be out of reach for a long while. Black Friday won't do shit if the Black Friday prices are just the original MSRP prices, which is good overall, but that does kind of defeat the purpose. Maybe next year things will simmer back down but man I am so tired of waiting. I like my current setup but more games coming out that I want to play but can barely run at 30fps on low/lowest. Its like being stuck on a PS3 in the middle of the PS5 launch where they were all getting scalped like crazy.

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>>102765750
It's a perfectly good card for 1080p anon. You don't actually play games at stupid resolutions, do you?

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>>102764252
They're totally collaborating, aren't they?

>>102765729
unironically still good performance for that price

>>102765774
get a better job and stop coping

Kind of want to take the oled pill, but holy fuck there's way too many models and brands to choose from.
Any brands to avoid in general?
Was thinking about picking up a 4k oled, max 165hz and use it for media watching and older vidya which is honestly what I mostly spend time on. Was thinking of getting 27 inches but they dont seem to exist save for some real overpriced models or im simply not looking hard enough. Might just bite the bullet and go 32 inches and get a mount for it.
Meanwhile I'll keep using my 1440p ips for web browsing and more demanding titles since I don't exactly have the best hardware.
Probably not gonna upgrade hardware this gen to even try to keep up with 4k modern bidya unless this next gen is actually good.

>>102765817
Some say QD-OLED is better, make sure you buy one with good firmware update support.

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>>102765800
I wasn't being ironic anon.
>>102765806
>Job
You don't have your own business anon? Working for someone else seems like a waste of your good time.

>>102765817
>>102765836
QD-Oleds get brighter than WOLEDs but have worse whites and die faster.
Samsung and LG make the best ones, rest are just taking their panels and upcharging.

>>102765839
Owning your own business is a job. If you own your own business and can only afford a $250 GPU business must not be going very well, lol

>>102765761
Regarding GPUs, if Intel releases Battlemage before EOY then they could sell quite a bit of GPUs as there are tons of people like us waiting to upgrade, but refuse to pay such shit prices for shit value GPUs. If the 4070 ti super was $650, I'd buy it, but in my area they go for $880 and up. Idk why Intel is waiting so long to release Battlemage...I get it, they need to optimize software/the architecture, but they would make noticeable gains by releasing before Nvidia and AMD. I guess we're just sitting here waiting, playing games at sub-60fps for a little while longer.

t. RTX 3060 owner

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Hey bros, 7900XTs look pretty good now in price. Is there a brand (ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte, PowerColor, Sapphire, XFX, etc.) that is good or a brand to avoid, or are they all the same and just go with the best deal?

>>102765836
>>102765856
Right and there's different types of oled.
Guess I'll have to do a bit of research, but at least I'll just focus on LG or Samsung then. Thanks for the input.

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lol

>>102765883
I have no doubt that all of this is true, but it makes me uneasy knowing that people are (rightfully so) pissed about the 5000 leaks being such shit. My target combination of parts to upgrade into were the 7800X3D and a 4080 Super respectively, so if all the waitfags buy up the 4080 Supers then it will just be a repeat of what happened to my target CPU. But also I'd be livid if I paid the full $1100 right now and then in 6 weeks it dropped by like $200. So I waitfag yet again I guess.

>>102765908
Sapphires are good, XFX is apparently good but I can't say for certain because I never owned an XFX one. But my first build had a Sapphire Pulse RX580 and it was a great little card for as long as I owned it. Lots of reviews for Sapphire cards always talk about great thermals, relatively quiet, good performance, etc but some of them suffer from pretty bad coil whine so beware of that. MSI is alright as well, my current 5700XT has served me well for a good 5 years. I'm only trying to upgrade because its falling off harder every few months as new games come out and I want to get into 3D modeling, but if that wasn't the case I'd ride with this thing for another year~16 months if I could. Can't comment on the other brands.

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>>102765865
Not if you enjoy it anon. I encourage you to invest your time in a business you enjoy. And thank you for your concern, but business is going very well.

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>>102765937
unreal engine 5 is gay as hell who plays these games here

>>102765937
I'm going to buy this game during the Halloween sale and will play it on a 3440x1440 monitor with ray tracing and DLSS on, at a mix of ultra and high settings. If I can get at least 30fps I'll be happy :')

>>102765216
oh thats my bad. Do those run fairly cool? not looking to overclock anything since a sub 37mm cooler would be pretty weak

>>102765908
Sapphire is a AMD exclusive brand, never heard a bad word about them desu.

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>>102765937
clone vs original

buie

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>>102765817
>Kind of want to take the oled pill, but holy fuck there's way too many models and brands to choose from.
>Any brands to avoid in general?
There are only two actual manufacturers, LG (WOLED) and Samsung (QD-OLED). Everyone else rebadges their panels. Because of this there are no "bad" models, it basically boils down to price. 99% of WOLED models use a matte finish which can be better if you can't control your ambient lighting with blinds, curtains, or shades on windows or have your PC not directly in front of said windows. QD-OLEDs are mostly glossy which have higher glare/reflections but look lusher and more three-dimensional as there's no smeary-haze over the top surface caused by a matte finish. WOLED gets brighter when displaying pure white, but QD-OLED gets brighter displaying non-wgite colors and also has better panel uniformity on average.

In the US, the current standout models are:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=7,9&sort=price&page=1
INNOCN 27A1S - $550, Cheapest WOLED (1440p)
AOC Agon PRO AG276QZD2 - $600, Cheapest Older-gen QD-OLED (1440p @ 240hz)
MSI MAG 271QPX QD-OLED - $630, Cheapest Current-gen QD-OLED (1440p@360Hz)
MSI MAG 321UP QD-OLED - $800, Cheapest 4K QD-OLED (4K@165Hz)
MSI MPG 321URX QD-OLED - $950, Cheapest High-refresh 4K QD-OLED (4K@240Hz)
Everything else is the same panel/specs at higher prices. IMHO, MAG 321UP is best buy.

>Was thinking about picking up a 4k oled, max 165hz and use it for media watching and older vidya which is honestly what I mostly spend time on. Was thinking of getting 27 inches but they dont seem to exist save for some real overpriced models or im simply not looking hard enough. Might just bite the bullet and go 32 inches and get a mount for it.
If you can afford a 32" 4K model it's better because the higher pixel density mostly-solves the text color fringing that plague current and older 1440p models because both LG & Sammy use non-RGB subpixel rendering which OS'd know how to handle well.

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>>102763699
Geforce doesn't really need DXVK

>>102763844
Crashing

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>>102765865

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When should you consider a 1000w PSU? I have a 850w and I was thinking of future proofing it but idk

What warrants having 1000w? Only gayming on it and streaming at times. Not sure if I'm gonna be overclocking because it seems retarded to cut the life span of an expensive piece of hardware to 1/3rd its life but idk educate me anons.

>>102765729
>ID-COOLING FROZN
retard
>Lexar NM790 w/Heatsink
just get a cheaper one
>4060
retard
6600/7600/7700xt/4060ti/3060ti

>>102766045
This helps bigly.
Will probably go with QDOLED since I do have fair control of lighting. Still gonna have to visit a store and inspect monitors myself. That MSI MAG one stood out when I was searching on my own so it's good to see it recommended here.
Was considering 1440p but if I'm spending a ton on a monitor I might as well go 4k, good to know if would've dodged a relatively small bullet regarding bringing. That does look a bit scuffed.

>>102766184
>Not sure if I'm gonna be overclocking because it seems retarded to cut the life span of an expensive piece of hardware to 1/3rd its life
NVIDIA GPUs don't let you set dangerously high voltages unless you hardware mod it, they're locked between 1.075~1.1V
Intel CPU overclocking, just set a 1.4~1.45V limit to the voltage regulator's output voltage.
I don't think there's much point to OCing AMD CPUs, especially the currently available -X3D's.

9800X3D will probably be a much better OCer.

>>102765776
reminder that they lost a court case about this exact thing happening like what, 15 years or so ago? Court ruled they were colluding to keep prices high together

>>102763670
Grim
It's not even their consumer CPUs isn't it?

So, in my country a 4070 costs twice as much as a 4060ti. As I'll be 1080p for the foreseeable future, are the 4070 gains worth the extra cost?

>>102766184
Right now the only legit reason I see is noise. If you've got a system that pulls 400W then a 1kW unit will run passively 99% of the time. Might be cheaper than going full fanless and keeps your options open for upgrades. The usual reasons - multi-GPU, i9s, & OC - are all kind of dead in the consumer space.

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>>102766233
NP. Here's a recent investigative article on QD-OLED vs WOLED brightness wrt white/colors if you've got some free time to kill and part of why I like QD-OLED as superior for real content consumption:
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/exploring-oled-brightness-improvements-woled-vs-qd-oled-and-the-need-for-new-metrics-and-specs

> Still gonna have to visit a store and inspect monitors myself.
Note that with QD-OLEDs they don't come with a polarizer layer meaning strong ambient lighting in a retail store can actually energize the pixels raising black levels. This just means if you aren't blown away by the image quality if you see one there it's because of the retarded viewing conditions it'd being operated under and not representative of your home experience.

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>https://www.anandtech.com/show/680/6
so... are they on schedule?

i cant wait for china to save us

1200Watts?

PSU 2X 12V-2X6

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>>102766352
The 4070 & 4070 Super are only 15% & 25% better than the 4060Ti @ 1080p, so no I don't think paying ~100% more for one is worth it. Have you considered used (maybe a 3080?) or equivalent AMD card?
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/31.html

AAAAAAA I FUCKING NEED THE 9800X3D FOR MY BUILD AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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650W psu
600W 12V-2X6 connection
kino

In my country not only are prices abusive but since AMD is so hyped atm they are literally robbing ppl with 5600 and 5700x3d prices, a 12400f is almost half the price of the 5600 TODAY, i'm waiting for black scammaz to order, is intel viable if prices stay like this? i see 12400 on top of benchmark but i'm just into light gayming

>>102766440
Yeah, I'm kinda leaning that way, currently running a 1660 so anything will be a big upgrade. I've looked into AMD but I wanna go Nvidia as I do a bit of streaming from time to time and NVENC is nice to have. But if AMD delivers much more performance for the same money, I'd reconsider. But I do like those comfy Nvidia features. Thanks :)

>case comes with a bag full of screws
>get one and start installing the mobo to the case
>realize the screw it's a bit too big
>unscrew
>it's not screwd to the case but doesn't come off of the mobo
How fucked am I? Who mixes screws in the same bag? They're not a snack

>>102766546
imo for 1080p only you should consider amd, the 4060 ti seems too overpriced, or go for the 30 series if you can find them at a reasonable price

>>102766330
Intel's had issues with their foundry business for nearly a decade now and they've completely missed out on the AI boom.
Intel's GPU/AI business makes AMD Radeon look like a competently run business.

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who is this thread for? it just seems like a bunch of random youtube comments you find on eceleb channels.

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GNSteve says there are gonna be two different Socket ILMs that Mobo Vendors can choose to use with LGA1851:
1. A normal one
2. A bit-more expensive one designed to help with CPU bending and lower temps
There are visual cues for which model has what type.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhIXt1svQZg&t=599s

But before you get worried/excited, der8auer has shown the new socket ILM design only helps with bending a little and contact frames still do a better job. Also because the IHS on Arrow Lake is skinnier and the ILM mounting holes are shifted "South" by ~1mm by Intel to make the ARL new more "North" die hotspot more centered, previous cheap Alder Lake/Raptor Lake Contact Frames by Thermalright etc. on Amazon aren't compatible or can be reused. His own company's Grizzly CF has already been modified to fit the new socket though (at a higher price). Thermalright will probably follow suit with their own revision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crZ2K-DBAhM&t=903s

At any rate, on most loads the lower TDP figures from ARL should be easier to cool well regardless.

>>102766457
isnt it safe to say itll only barely beat the 7800x3d?

>>102766199
>retard
>retard
>retard
Don't be so hard on yourself zoomer friend. I'm sure you're not THAT retarded.

>>102766738
atm in my country the 7800x3d is 430 min

>>102766738
They are saying AMD is maybe gonna unchoke the X3D clocks this time so it'll perform better than what the Zen 5% improvement alone would suggest but that's up in the air and I'm tired of being gaslit and disappointed by them at this point.

>>102766735
>not having crippling design flaws is now a "premium feature"
grim

>>102766738
it's clocked better
the v-cache may unbottleneck the CPU and unlock the IPC gains in gaming

>>102766735
>Pay more and your CPU might not bend
Off to a great start

>>102766739
>anon can't even count
It's over your you anon...

>>102765499
>>102765530
There is literally no reason to be waiting if you are already 2 hardware generations behind. I'm jumping from an RTX 2060 to a 4080 super. Buying new hardware on release is always retarded because your basically beta testing. No such thing as future proofing since the rate of technology is speeding up year by year.

>>102766963
>anon is a pedant
It's definitely over for you anon..

where is the 9800x3d

i'm on amd all i see is them talking about ai epyc $50,000 trash

>>102767062
4chaim has to run on something

>used to nvidia
>driver control panel looks like it came out of windows xp times
>switched to amd
>boot up their control panel
>its hardware accelerated to mica at my monitors 240hz rate
god damn

>I buy new CPU every generation
>the same people who do intricate value analysis
odd concern trolling

Quick, I need definitive proof that AMD is better than Nvidia or I'm fucked

>>102767161
model number 7900 > model number 4090

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>>102767062
That's where 90% of their money comes from nobody cares about gamers anymore. Especially PC gaming.

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>>102763641
I just went from this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MNJP6RW/
to this
https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-2x16GB-3200MT-Desktop-CP2K16G4DFRA32A/dp/B0C29R9LNL
I thought it was a major upgrade but I forgot to check the timing on the ram. how bad did I screw up? is the 16 vs 22 cl really a big deal? for reference I have a 2700x and a geforce 2060.

>>102767084
4chan runs on a Mac Mini in broom closet.

>>102766516
The 12400 and 5600 perform within 5% of each other. Buy the cheaper one if you're in this budget range.

>>102767238
Just set the CL timings manually in BIOS?

Anyone got Lisa Su's email address?

>>102767266
what do you mean? can I just put whatever numbers I want in there?

>>102767028
>No such thing as future proofing since the rate of technology is speeding up year by year.
Consider AM4

>>102767028
>the rate of technology is speeding up year by year
90s-kun, please take me back with you when you return to your timeline.

>>102767334
Nta but the weakest am5 cpu is superior to the best am4 cpu. So you're kinda proving his point.

>>102767318
No, you have to figure out what's stable by trial and error

>>102767409
I see. if I leave the timings untouched how much performance am I losing?

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>>102767426
five, maybe six

>>102767318
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md
Set aside a lot of time. Some secondary timings are actually better tweaks than primaries. For starters, RRDS, RRDL, FAW, WR, RTP, RFC, REFI

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Will the B550 annihilate the competition at that price point? Are we finally going to get a good budget GPU? And most importantly, will you pair it with your B550 mobo?

>>102767028
>since the rate of technology is speeding up year by year
No longer true. Arrow Lake and Zen 5 aren't really giant improvements in performance for the vast majority of users.

>>102767426
None, don't schizo over it, it's a waste of time

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Anything worth upgrading here? I'm thinking maybe a 4070 Super would be a decent upgrade?
Though I would definitely wait for BF, don't want to give over 500 for it.

>>102767477
>RRDS, RRDL, FAW, WR, RTP, RFC, REFI
I don't have time for amateur wrestling leagues
>>102767518
this is what I was hoping to hear, thank you

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>>102767585
No need right now anon. Waitfag for now.

>>102767585
You are basically exactly at the sweet spot. Anything after this will give severely diminishing returns.

>>102767663
>>102767670
Understood, thanks guys.

>>102764971
Sounds like a certain ethnic retardation that I hear from time to time
>siiiiiir my i7 laptop is very good why is running slow? i7 strong processor should work fine still
Meanwhile it's a Nehalem processor from 2009 with a fucked hard drive and 2gb of slow ass ddr3

>158 AM5 boards to choose from
>not one with a red PCB, everything is black or white
What is the reason for the monochrome dystopia we live in?
Is it a humiliation ritual?
Even serverfags get to have color in their boards.

>>102765382
>I need the best GPU when I upgrade but the 5090 has 32GB of VRAM which is just insane for gaming, zero justification
There are games that are pushing 20GB VRAM at max settings, 32GB isn't that overkill imo.
I still don't think the 5090 will get more than 24GB VRAM either, they'll definitely be saving higher amounts of allocation for AI cards.

>>102765382
>zero justification
the AI coomer generals would disagree

>>102765722
>>102765739
Ask ChatGPT to respond to you exclusively in ebonics?

>>102766458
I wonder if the rails even support that much power draw

>>102764592
Because they rust to dust and start fires.

>>102767585
Screen res? I'd only consider sitting if you're still on 1080p/60

>>102767663
cumming on her bread

Should I get the 7600X at 34k JPY (229 USD) or the 7800X3D at 70k JPY (470 USD)? Because I really don't feel like the price for the 7800 will justify the premium. I was thinking of the 7600X and upgrading somewhere later down the line.

>>102764073
5% perf gains, 20% price gains

>>102767487
Depending on the performance, I may buy the flagship Battlemage GPU. If Intel is wise, they will price their Battlemage line-up very competitively, yes.

>>102767985
just buy the 7800X3D

>>102767238
the first is mediocre 8gbit micron rev E (compared to the later ballistix sticks, it was good at the time)
the second is terrible 16gbit micron rev B
>>102767475
it's even worse on DDR4 because lower speeds and less bank groups
>>102767477
>WR, RTP
these take forever to stress test and don't have the same impact as the rest
absolutely worth fixing RRDS/RRDL/FAW first of all

>>102767985
just wait ™ for the 9800x3d

>>102767487
Maybe.. As long as they have fixed the issues like high idle power consumption.

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>>102767762
there's green and blue available

>>102763641
>AVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow

Why avoid 4000D Airflow?

Wait for 50 series or go for 4080super?

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waitfags are insufferable
>hurr wait till the 7800x3d price drops
>don't buy now just wait
if you listen to them you'll just end up spending more money in the long run, if you have the cash just BUY NOW!

>>102767487
Theres competition at $150?

>>102767161
Say goodbye to your job

>>102768291
being a half-hearted waitfag is the worst of both worlds
if you have weak hands just forget waiting and give in to your bestial impulses, you're never gonna make it anyway

>>102768325
consider that just 2 weeks ago the 7800x3d was 400, now it's almost 600$
just don't be a waitfag, it's bad for your wallet

>>102768291
7800x3d scalper detected
now is THE WORST time to buy
420$ amazon ones get stocked multiple times a week

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>>102768463
you are a jaundiced nigger?

>>102763742
Nah, Zen5 is fine. It is the dumping ground for subpar Zen5 chiplets. X3D SKUs are meme outside of specialized use cases. /v/tards are a vocal minority in the CPU space.

Even now 7800xd is too cheap. If it was intel they would be charging lot more. But amd is too stoopid to make use of the circumstance.

>>102768291
>7800x3d is about to get replaced by the 9800x3d at the same msrp
>b-b-b-buy n-n-n-now

Best 120/140mm case fans for low temperatures if you don't care about noise?

>>102768484
why would they undercut their own cppu when the competition is two years away

>>102768484
>9800x3d at the same msrp
lol, lmao even

>>102764073
Sorry, Blackwell is going more datacenter/ML focused with graphics increasingly becoming more of a side a.k.a relying more on upscaling/frame-generation for more FPS.
There's a reason why Nvidia has been gaslighting /v/tards into thinking upscaling and frame-generation is equal if not superior to native.

>>102768496
delta 7000rpm server fan

>>102768496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sKMzSClCkQ

>>102768496
>if you don't care about noise?
why are some of you guys so autistic about fan noise anyway? how likely are you to hear it if you're working or gayming?

>>102764153
Wrong, the real reason is that Intel misbinned good number of their Raptor Lake yields. They targeted boost clockspeed that most of them cannot reach without stepping into suicide-run tier voltages. Intel C-suite and marketing thought they could pull the same crazy clockspeed scaling because 14nm node tanked it so well in order to save face in the eyes of a minority of number-chasing /v/tards. 7nm wasn't simple robust. Intel is just playing games to prevent getting hit by mismarketing and misleading their customers.

>>102768502
AMD stopped making the 7800X3D, whatever is in the channel is all that's left

>>102763694
Arrow Lake's entire purpose to retain Intel's stronghold on the portable/ultraportable market. They are conceding /v/tards for now, because they know that Zen5 X3D SKUs are going secure that market. Arrow Lake has no chance and their previous attempts to hold it with hardcore factory overclocking via Raptor Lake Refresh SKUs had backfired.
They win to back customers trust

>>102768549
>They targeted boost clockspeed that most of them cannot reach without stepping into suicide-run tier voltages.
Wrong. Even the poorer 14900Ks can hit advertised boost clocks with the latest microcodes as long as the temperature and power limit aren't holding it back.
>Intel’s internal testing comparing 0x12B microcode to 0x125 microcode – on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5200MT/s memory1 - indicates performance impact is within run-to-run variation
You clearly don't understand how the chip's SVID is associated with AC LL and its implications.

>>102768480
What are you smoking? Right now, 7800X3Ds are selling well over MSRP and will not ease-up until Zen5 X3D SKUs drop.

>>102768549
>misbinned good number of their Raptor Lake yields
Intel doesn't need to push three separate CPU microcode fixes if the root cause was a "misbinning" issue.

>>102768548
I like stealth games.

>>102768597
Without resorting to suicide-tier voltages for most yields that's the critical part you overlook. The E-core are what are usually the shitting the bed.
The firmware updates are just band-aid and damage control at best. Most used chips in the field have already suffered from irrevocable damage. Intel is going cease production and shift to Arrow Lake.
Intel gambled hardcore on factory-overclocking to hold the silly /v/tard number-chasing fort and won a pyrrhic victory at best on this front.

>>102768620
It's a luxury product, hiking the price will make people want it even more.

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>>102764252
Every time I see the current prices I'm reminded of this

>>102764306
>multiple AMD engineers note that they are 100% confident RDNA 3 will decimate nvidia in efficiency across the entire lineup
kek, that aged very poorly

>>102768632
Yes, it is. Intel is desperately trying to retain the target boost speeds and avoid getting hit by false advertising. They figured its cheaper to just do RMAs on silicon that is slowly killing itself and apply firmwares that retards the process rather then face the legal music. Corporate-types do this kind of shady stuff countless times.

>>102767985
i went with the 7600x3d instead of overpaying for the 7800x3d

>>102768681
>make whales want it more

Just give me a 5060 16gb GDDR6 for under 400 burgers, I have no money.

>>102768672
>Without resorting to suicide-tier voltages for most yields
The most stressful all-core (P+E cores) loads don't require "suicide-tier voltages", nor does the 6GHz favored core boost.
An overclocked 14900K draws less than 1.2V at all-core AVX2 stability test (5.38GHz effective P-Core, 4.38GHz effective E-Core with AVX offsets).
Less than 1.25V for SSE all-core stress test loads.
Even the worst 14900Ks aren't going to run those loads at 1.4V or above, they're going to overheat before they ever reach that voltage.

It's the predictive algorithm that was asking for voltages over 1.55V when the CPU was anticipating the user was about to initialize these intense loads.
The microcode update prevents the CPU from requesting those damaging voltages.
Stop acting like a /v/tard yourself, dipshit.

>>102768708
corona and ukraine inflation!! stop noticing

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>>102768681
>mid-range cpu
>luxury product

>>102768726
>Yes, it is. Intel is desperately trying to retain the target boost speeds
There is no desperation, operating temperature, and the 253W PL2 limit are the boost throttling factor.
People have already retested their i9s with the new microcode fix, and those who have a system that can manage the temps (water cooling and/or undervolting) have no problems hitting advertised boost clocks with the voltage-restricted microcodes.

>>102768708
where did it all go wrong bros

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Intel tiles is so beautiful

AYYMDEAD chiplets are so ugly and garbage

>>102768123
>the first is mediocre 8gbit micron rev E (compared to the later ballistix sticks, it was good at the time)
>the second is terrible 16gbit micron rev B
so should i return it or does it not really matter

can someone bake pls i have a post to make

>>102768959
if you don't need 32 GB you should return them
the old ones are much faster
or just get some generic 2x16 3200C16 kit for like $50
if you want to upgrade to ryzen 5000 later you really want fast memory

>>102769003
would something like this be better?
https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-3600MHz-CL18-22-22-42-Computer/dp/B07RM39V5F
I'm not sure if my motherboard supports anything past 3200 though, I have the asrock b450 fatality k4

wouldnt it be crazy if intel went bankrupt? who would replace them?

>>102769049
yes but 3600 is a challenge on a 2700X
it's not the motherboard limiting you, it's the CPU

>>102764252
Wtf? No wonder 7900 GRE prices are going up? Do I boughted?

>>102769058
I was thinking about upgrading to a ryzen 5000 in the next couple months. is it best if I stick with 16cl 3200s then?

>>102769056
Too big to fail

>>102769073
yeah doesn't really matter
just get 2x16 3200C16
there's no reason to overspend on terrible "crucial pro" memory

>>102769083
okay thank you for the advice anon

>>102769083
>>102769090
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-VENGEANCE-3200MHz-Compatible-Computer/dp/B07RW6Z692/
just to double check something like this right?

>>102769056
Intel won't go bankrupt because the United States government prefers to have them produce advanced chips for both national security and economic concerns.
There's a reason why China stopped using Intel chips on government-designated devices.

Their fabs are in "too big to fail" territory, and Intel fabs running at full production means billions in corporate taxes collected by state & federal governments.

>>102769090
no problem
remember to enable XMP or the RAM gods will come down to smite you
>>102769101
yes

>>102769064
Are you so easily trolled, little anon

>>102768767
>>102768778
If you know anything about economics you’d be wary of betting on “luxury products” in times of financial inflation.
Both video games and the film industry are starting to feel the burn right now.
US smartphone sales are also down.
If you think desktops aren’t affected you’re very naive.

>>102768778
honestly, even 12400f/7600 are luxury items

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Not even worth a slurp.

>>102768595
>Arrow Lake's entire purpose to retain Intel's stronghold on the portable/ultraportable market
That's Lunar Lake & Panther Lake's segment.
Arrow Lake is for the high-performance workstation laptop with the "H" designation.
You are completely clueless.

>>102769372
>>102769372
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>>102763641
>Noctua NH-D15 G2
is one of these worth it if your setup isn't approaching "watercooling required" levels of heat generation?

>>102769388
>worth
Not in terms of value for money.
But if you're willing to pay the premium for the reliability & noise characteristics, that's your call.

>>102769286
Modern "desktop" parts from Intel are just leaky laptop chips that clock high. You are one that's clueless pretend it is still the 2000s. Portable and ultraportables are what sells in the OEM world via sheer volume. These days, desktop systems are bit of an anachronism in the mainstream space.

>>102769108
Intel can go bankrupt, the fabs will simply get sold and go under new management. They are not too big to fail, nothing is too big to fail. That's just pure hubris.

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>>102770330
Ultraportable CPU chips have the system memory packaged as part of the SoC.
That's Lunar Lake, not Arrow Lake-H
Get. A. Clue.

>>102770353
> the fabs will simply get sold and go under new management
Name a fucking buyer, you retard.
It is too costly and risky for any company to purchase Intel's loss-making foundries.
Global Foundries, who gave up advanced node development, was bought up by a UAE sovereign wealth fund (Mubadala Investment Company PJSC).
Major US tech companies are going to face investor backlash if they acquire the distressed foundries.

The US government isn't going to allow foreign companies or sovereign funds to buy Intel's foundries. Period.
This is a national security matter, dumb fuck retard.

>>102768529
>fingers that close
I'm sweating