instead of fueling the shitstorm between GPU's I wanted to ask an honest question. I currently have Lian li TL fans but im wondering if the new MSI 120 MPG fans are better and even quiter. It would probably help too cause i have a project zero Mobo but im not sure

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on the advice of this thread, i bought the microcenter 7600x3d bundle

what cooling solution should i get for this thing? the heatsink was not included

>>102769429
phantomspirit 120 se
did you end up looking at the different mobo offers?

>>102769414
Neither of those two companies prioritizes sound characteristics for their fans.
They are shopping around case fan OEMs in China & Taiwan, ordering a design that meets their performance & profitability targets.
MSI used to make case fans with liquid crystal polymer-based impellers, but I'm not sure if this is the fan you're referring to.
Lian Li also makes fans with LCP blades, these fans should have tighter manufacturing tolerances and have less annoying noise profiles.

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NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

>>102769453
so whatever Decibel level they claim to have should be ignored? my Lian li ones are pretty quiet so maybe its my case then, but I feel like at 1300RPM they shouldnt be louder than they should be right now

Fuck amd

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>>102769447
yeah but i didnt see anything that was really better for me so i just went with the pre-made bundle. i was watching the "in stock" number and it was getting drained fast, so i had to act

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Which bundle should I buy?

9800X3D when?

>>102769472
If your current fans are serviceable, I wouldn't replace them with MSI MPG fans.
I'd just tweak the case fan curves.

>>102769717
The TUF board bundle is fine. Strix A isn't worth the extra $50.
Strix E and Crosshair / Maximum are the high-end ROG motherboards, too expensive though.

I think I'm just going to give up on PC building. I'll use this thing until it dies and that's it.

>>102769717
7600x3d

I want to build a Linux gaming PC with an $800 budget. I don't need to run the latest games or high resolutions. AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D and an RX 6600 seems like they would be decent picks, but I'm not certain.

Are there any consumer-grade online UPSes on the market?
Any of them that don't look like a fucking cancerous blob?

>>102769755
What was your build budget?
Even a Ryzen 5800X3D / 7600 is overkill for most PC gamers.

>>102769786
I am not paying these absurd prices for GPUs

>>102769717
Tuf Bundle. It's almost like getting a free mobo + RAM with the damn price hike the 7800X3D has right now.

>>102769753
>>102769822
Decision made. Thanks.

>>102769770
That CPU/GPU pairing is fine, here's a 5600X alternative (RX 7600)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vcPRfy
If you go with the 5700X3D, you will need a better cooler like the Peerless Assasin.

does anybody use soundcards or nah
I just think it looks kinda neat

>>102769770
I'd personally go with a ryzen 7600 build instead, just because it'll be much easier to upgrade in the future. If you build a 5700x3d system now you'll be replacing GPU + CPU + ram + mobo and those parts you're getting now will have lost a lot of value.

>>102769808
Maybe RDNA4 and Battlemage could change things at the $300~600 band, not counting on it.
The only way to offset the video card premium is to buy discounted parts for the other components.

>>102769847
I use a xonar dgx, my old mobo had massive interference and when I got a new mobo later on I was like why not just keep using it.

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>>102769847
No, they're counterproductive since Microsoft killed hardware-accelerated DSP at the kernel level in Vista. After that everything audio and 3D-directional sound effect related (EAX) had to be done in individual software libraries and handled by the CPU instead or more often since it was cheaper/easier just left out entirely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaqUAmTtDwI

If you care about high quality audio just get an external USB DAC/Amp and be happy knowing your baseline SINAD resolution is still better than the Good Old Days that were more computationally sophisticated.

>>102769860
I'm just not buying anything

I will never pay more than $600 for a gpu

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wtf is wrong with amd

Convince me to not buy a cheap AIO just for the look.

>>102770107
That's a China-only SKU to sell defective Navi32 chips that aren't good enough to be sold as 7700XT.
It will get a global release only if the Chinese market can't absorb all the chip inventory, like the 7900 GRE.

It doesn't change RDNA4's release schedule.
NVIDIA announcing the RTX 5070 alongside the 5080 and 5090 leads me to believe RX 8800 XT will also be announced early next year.

>>102770147
>cheap AIO
Genuine reliability concerns, especially if the manufacturer isn't known to offer reliable after-service (RMA).

Is there anything I should do before replacing a GPU? Like do I need to reset something in BIOS or is just a simple plug in and turn on?

>>102770313
If you're switching between GPU vendors, best to download DDU and run it to remove your previous display driver (select remove & system shut down).
If it's an upgrade from the same vendor, I think you're fine with just removing the card.
Set the display driver settings to default before replacing it though.

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>>102769372
>4 populated ram slots

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Would a Coolermaster 212 be fine on an i5 12400F? I feel like I've been using that cooler for almost 20 years and I'm too lazy to change my ways.

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>>102770370
Ass mouth vagina feet

>>102770346
Ah I guess I forced to do that, EVGA doesn't make GPUs anymore. Thanks for the info anon.

Are there any HTPC or slim tower form factor cases suitable for budget gaming use and won't cause heating problems?

planning to update my 3600x to 5700x3d is $185 the best deal or wait for black friday?

>>102770383
GPU vendor as in NVIDIA, AMD, or Intel.
EVGA doesn't make their own display drivers.
EVGA is a video card manufacturer.

>>102770370
sex with yuno gasai

>>102770377
Yeah it's fine.

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so unless im being retarded toms hardware seems to show an asrock hdv/m.2 using way less watts for idle, load and average. compared to other am5 motherboards
i was looking at getting a livemixer or a pg lightning but is the hdv/m.2 going to waste less power?

everyone talks about cpu and gpu effecency but no one ever mentions this.

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>got 7900xtx from Prime Day
>it performs like shit in VR
>it refuses the work properly every time I turn my PC back on
>Nvidia keeps jacking their prices up

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>285k compute tile larger than two AMD CCDs on superior node
>double the amount of silicon for IO/Mem
>iGPU on N5

>>102770512
>he actually fell for AMD marketers
hahahahaha not even they use AMD

>>102770434
Oh my mistake. I'm just going from NVIDIA to NVIDIA. I'll just plug in my new card then.

>>102770526
yes, this is Intel's Zen 1, see you in 3 gens when AMD is dead and buried

>>102770511
yeah HWunboxed discovered its pretty much the golden gem for AM5, its the same motherboard as the B650M Pro RS without the fluff but the Pro RS is actually cheaper atm because everyone has been buying the HDV/M.2

>>102770512
use DDU

>>102769372
4080s or keep waiting?

>>102770542
nah, this is Intel's RDNA1
Zen was only on the superior node with Zen2

>>102770550
>use DDU
Is it better than Amd cleanup utility?

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>>102769372
thoughts?

>>102770601
>>102770550
7900 xtx ive got on release and just works. honest to god, absolutely no issues. no crashing, no driver, no hardware, no game issues. its just werked. i even repasted it and put on a ton of thermal putty all over it as well. keeps chugging along.
you either got a lemon or if you came from nvidia, driver conflict issues.

use ddu to clean out everything. also, reset game profiles if you came from nvidia as well. a lot of games will do specific profile tweaks based on gpu in use.

>>102770601
yes it nukes all graphics drivers
>download latest drivers
>download DDU
>turn off internet
>use DDU
>restart
>install fresh drivers
>turn on internet
yes its fucking retarded because Microsoft is openly hostile towards the AMD installer and tries to install its version of the drivers instead and that's where most people have issues.

>>102770634
and by resetting, i mean go and delete game profile folders. shit like in documents/my games/ (((game))) and appdata shit.

If I upgrade from nvidia to nvidia do I need to DDU the old drivers or is the next install gonna replace it automatically?

>>102770689
it can't hurt to scrub the old drivers

>>102770689
if its the same generation its typically ok. if its from older generations you might run into issues. also would nuke game profiles i mentioned here
>>102770634
>>102770652

>>102770615
Bet that copy of Vista was almost the same price as the CPU

I hate windows so much.

Playing Genshin on a way to work.
"Logged on another device". This means that PC is updating. But it will stay on for 11 hours until I will go back from work and turn it fucking off. It happens all the time, why can't it update itself without turning itself on for whole day? I don't need this updates anyway.

>>102770814
If you're old enough to work, you're too old to play Genshin.
Thank your employer.

>>102770512
Everyone here would have told you Gaydeon is shit for VR
We could've warned you bro

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>>102769372
Can someone give me GPU recommendation ?
I have GTX 1080
Power consumption is CRUCIAL. I need GPU with BETTER performance than GTX 1080 with SAME or LESS POWER CONSUMPTION than GTX 1080.

Nvidia GPU obviously. Amd gpu is dead to me.

>>102770831
> If you're old enough to work, you're too old to play Genshin.
> Thank your employer.
I don't think Genshin is a problem. It just letting me know why my PC is turned on when I come back home.

Thinking about connecting PC to smart plug to turn it off in this case. I know it's a bit rude, but still better than rendering Genshin logging screen 12 hours straight.

>>102770872
Why do you have updates enabled?

>>102770870
7800 xt.

>>102770870
4060

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>>102770511
You need too look at at the scores for that CPU on that board relative to others. A lot of boards limit power and therefore the CPUs score lower

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>>102770870
4070 Super (220W), undervolt it to stay below the 180W limit.
It's achievable.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4070-super.c4186
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080/24.html

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>>102770926
>120°C backplate

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>>102770870
Pretty much every card on this list except the 1660 Super and the 3050 are faster than the 1080.

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>>102770926
yeah HWUnboxed did it

>>102770890
> Why do you have updates enabled?
Because I can't turn them off. I'm running win11 because I have 7800x3d and 4080

>>102771076
>because I have 7800x3d and 4080
And what does that have to do with W11?

>>102771069
You can see how little effort ASUS and Gigabyte put into their entry-level boards.

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>>102770814
Why is your PC on in the first place anon? That seems very wasteful.

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>>102770370
There can never be enough ram

>>102770433
Check aliexpress prices

>>102770814
Why do you have genshin on autostart
Why do you ever turn your computer off

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>>102769372
looking good anime bros

>tranime

>>102770995
>>102770934
>>102770907
Thanks, i think im gonna wait for 5070 series instead. They might lower the power consumption

>>102770550
>>102770926

is there any other sites or youtubers that have tested more b650 boards for efficiency?

ive been slowly planning a 9600x + low end gpu build so power shouldn't be a problem and ill just need basic mobo IO
mostly linux some win 10 gaming and i think efficiency and good thermals are awesome.
so the hdv/m.2 is i guess better than the asrock atx boards for me

>>102771648
>They might lower the power consumption
No they won't

>buy 4TB m.2
>oh boy I cant wait to install this
>no screw for standoff lock
Wow, whoever designed this shit is a fucking faggot. I'm ordering a kit that should be here tomorrow but it was a pain in the ass to look for the old box (threw it away I guess).

>>102771508
tranime website chud

>>102771648
They are not lowering the power consumption for RTX 5070, it's already rumored to be at around 250W.
The chip is going from N4P to 4NP, it's a refinement not a full node advancement to 3nm.
The die area for these chips is likely to be a bit larger (more power draw).

>>102771672
Those screws come with your motherboard though

>>102770689
I did it upgrading to 40 series, turned out it was the 12v 2x6 pin not being seated perfectly like a virgin in the psu

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>>102771730
I bought the motherboard back in 2019 and I've gotten more life out of it than I care to admit (B450 Tomahawk). It's been almost 5 years... those screws are long gone. Plus according to an unboxing video I saw they were taped inside the manual. Something I usually do without since I'm a proficient enough builder. M.2 was also quite new at the time so I didn't bother looking for them in the first place.

ANYWAYS. It's honestly quite shocking such a motherboard is even relevant in this day and age. AM4 is definitely going down as one of the best sockets of all time.

>>102771780
Based Tomahawk owner.

>>102771780
if AMD wanted to be based they'd release a N6 5950X3D in 2026

>>102771672
Tape it on.

>>102770689
yes, it takes like 20 minutes, probably gonna work fine without it but somewhere down the line it will conflict with something somewhere and give you crashes or stutters and you will blame the developers instead of yourself.

>>102770652
this is also a reason to do clean windows installs, people with 5 yo installs complaining about crashes or bad performance all the time
damn console refugees, why nobody tells them simple rules?

why does a (((flagship))) cpu only has 8 cores?
>par
>note: on par here means +-3%
why would anyone ever buy anything from them?

>>102771780
>AM4 is definitely going down as one of the best sockets of all time.
AM5 is the same, I got Mortar, I think it's just MSI doing it's job well enough

>>102771963
but your e-cores goy...

>>102771963
8 >unhyperthreaded< cores

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>>102769372
>High end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)

>>102772031
this is the part that baffles me the most
from displaying a big amount of threads like some elite feature to muh power?
how did they go from selling ht enabled cpus as high end to this?

>>102771670
>>102771696
Well im gonna use my GTX 1080 forever then

Did cpus and gpus go on any significant of a sale during prime day? In my area it's next week so I've been debating whether to wait for it.

>>102772095
They have cope cores to stand in for hyperthreads

>>102772252
No

>32 thread cpu lost to 24 thread cpu
Damn I guess hypercoping doesn’t mean much. 1C/1T is the future

>>102772373
>24 3nm cores to beat 16 4nm ones
Uh this isn't the victory you think it is

>>102772408
e cores are 1/4 the size of p cores so it’s actually 12p cores in die size

Amd is trash

>>102772539
literally worse than hitler

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>>102772408
>muh nanometers
Zen5 on N4P loses to 10nm craptor lake

>>102771373
> Why is your PC on in the first place anon? That seems very wasteful.
Because windows turning it on when updating.
>>102771377
> Why do you have genshin on autostart
I guess it wasn't closed. I just shut PC into hybernation

buy ryzen 7600 at $200 now, or wait for cyber monday sale?

>>102772053
I bought a 5 pack of both.

>>102770511
>those idle wattages

>>102770926
uhhhhh, Asrockbros?

>>102772878
Are you comparing tomahawk with HDV series? Are you joking?

>>102770370
its not 2022 anymore
bios updates made 4 ram slots stable

>>102772878
That's b660 not b650

>>102770512
>VE
meanwhile my used 3090 does very great on max bitrate and has very low latency

>>102770512
>he boughted AMD

First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set.

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>>102770370
skill issue

didn't read anything in this thread, but if anyone here recommended an AMD GPU, or if anyone here has an AMD GPU, just wanna throw it out there that CUDA is KING and your shit sucks
I'd rather have a 1070 than the latest GayMD "GPU", that shit is garbage

>>102773204
Novidya and Intelaviv don't work on Linux so they're perfectly built for cattle like you.

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Well I've been a waitfag since Haswell but its starting to not be great. Prices are too fucked so I just got a laptop, forgive me pcbg.
Now I can play Civ 4 and Dwarf Fortress at 300fps!
>Civ 7 min req is a 16 core cpu.

moving to a new flat, will be staying there for 3-4 months at most
router is in the most retarded spot possible, little ceiling opening away from most rooms
how viable is a wifi adapter for PC desktop and what kind of would I need if I want to avoid sticking 13 meters (42-43 ft) worth of UTP cable and cable canal

>>102772449
just run a cable

>>102769372
alright i'm about to run one more sanity check before i return this thing. since a couple weeks back my WD Blue 8TB has been making this horrific fucking noise, it's nearly constant now after an hour of being on. i've had it for a few months and it decided to start this shit out of nowhere. am i legitimately just too zoomer to realize this is how disks sound? is this how high capacity drives are? do they sound a certain way when they're almost full? i'm just unsure if this is how it is in which case i'll rework this setup or if i should just send it back due to potential data loss. either way i might just stick with solid state since this is near impossible to deal with in my room. the reason i've been hesitating is that i don't have anywhere to put my games and backups.

https://vocaroo.com/12Ws6o9ASpDN

>>102773314
also for reference you can hear the normal operations around the 36 second mark.

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>>102773229
WORKS on my machine, with two 165hz 1440p monitors
24gb combined vram running lllms and also creating Taylor Swift pictures in Flux and SDXL at lightning speed
zero problems
but, then again, I'm using Linux Mint with the Cinnamon Desktop Environment, that still uses the superior XORG and not corporate Gayland
I care about freedom
and I also boot into Windows 10 to enjoy to play video games, because Linux doesn't have them

So between an AM4 build and a LGA 1700, which one will have more upgradability potential in the future?
Meaning I am planning on going with a pretty basic CPU for both but would like to keep my options open for the future if I potentially feel like I need more processing power.
The Intel side will be slightly more expensive if I want to get a mobo that can actually support higher end CPUs for the future but it's not by too much.

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>>102773232
? it's a 6C12T

>>102773371
they're both dead sockets but AMD has been releasing refreshes and new stuff on AM4 and 1700 might be getting Bartlett lake but that's a rumour.

>>102773371
>AM4 or 1700
both are dead end now, you're better getting a cheap mATX AM5 board with something like a 7500F

>>102773371
They're both completely dead

>>102773399
Sorry, for 4k 60fps

>>102773409
>>102773410
>>102773413
I know they are dead, but AM5 is completely lacking in any sort of budget options so here we are. I am not asking for future proofing anyway, just upgradability. Meaning which one has the better selection of higher end CPUs if I want to upgrade my CPU later on.

>>102773371
Neither of them offer much upgrade potential in the long term. You're looking at an X3D on AM4 and either 14th gen or Bartlett Lake (maybe) on 1700. Those are all decent options right now but probably won't be by the time you actually come to upgrade the system. Gun to my head I'd say AM4 but I'd heavily suggest saving up another $100 for an entry level AM5 build.

>>102773371
>>102773445
LGA1700 gives you more raw power but you need an expensive motherboard to run, say, a 13900K
a 5950X can run on the cheapest boards but that will only match a 12900K in MT
i assume this is the type of thing you're asking about

>>102773445
you can get the ASRock B650M HDV-M.2 for like 130 bucks and then get a 7500f from aliexpress for around 150. By the time you come to upgrade any AM4/1700 system the high end is not going to be high end anymore as I wouldn't consider the 5950X high end unless you have an absolute need for 16 cores. the 13th and 14th gen have degridation issues too so you'd be playing pot luck as to if the CPU would actually even work (spoiler, they're expecting all of the K-skus to die)

>>102773460
Yes that's exactly it, thank you

>>102773451
>>102773468
I really have no interest in ever going over 60fps 1080p for gaming and for everything else the top end AM4 CPUs will be good enough. So will probably go for either AM4 or lga 1700
>degradation
Well there goes lga 1700, saved myself some money as well I guess. I had no idea so thanks for pointing it out. Last thing I want is that by the time I want to upgrade to a stronger CPU, for all the secondhand market ones to be completely ruined.

>>102773188
>Ddr4poors

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>>102773468
>get a 7500f from aliexpress
I'm sorry, /g/entlemen, but how can you trust your precious hardware to come from aliexpress/alibaba? I personally avoid buying anything from there that's more complicated than toothpicks and screws and even then there's big chance to get shitty metal and toxic plastic. Not mentioning the warranty - doubt you'll be able to send your broken piece of tech back to China to comrade LongDong and demand replacement.
Do you really roll your luck with such deals in order to save a few dozens of bucks?

>>102773524
The situation is a bit better for a "more cores" upgrade but still not a great idea. You run into the same problem as with a gaming-focused path in that, if you leave it too long, the TotL chip will be outclassed by a modern 6/8-core. Plus anything that can use all those cores will likely benefit from DDR5. It's still better, because you can reuse the board, but nowhere near as good as the "2017-2021" AM4 upgrade path.

>>102773552
yeah i'm sure you're doing great with 30% more bandwidth and 80% more latency
DDR5 XMP timings suck ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgb8N23tsfA

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>>102773188
JFC I delayed my own 7800x3d build by two weeks because I ordered 4x ram sticks and you assclowns screamed NOOO YOU CAN ONLY USE 2 SLOOOOTS!

>>102773564
don't buy something that would be worth faking
if you bought a 7500F and tried using it and it didn't work, Ali would 100% refund your money as they're trying to build credbility for the platform in the west.

>>102769372
Help im retarded and I didn't check to see if my motherboard had RGB headers. Do I get an RGB controller? Will it be compatible with my cheap ass system? I have a Gigabyte B550M K, Raidmax (ARGB or RGB) fans (I got a raidmax case) and an antec atom b550 psu.

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>>102773617
Doesn't look like it

>>102773604
this based black man with a naruto wallpaper seems to be able to teach you the art of running 4 sticks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Ka9nt1tYU
your mileage may vary - the terminations work completely different on AM4 vs AM5

>>102773604
DDR5 is not DDR4
The higher the frequency you run memory at, the harder it is to maintain high speeds or tight timings with 4 sticks
Don't believe just me. Watch any memory OC video from the most autistic memory OCer buildzoid
He'll say the same thing

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>>102773651
>The higher the frequency you run memory at, the harder it is to maintain high speeds
running 3600+ on DDR4 with 4 sticks isn't easy either
the memory controller and signal traces on the motherboard are designed for the typical speeds of that generation
DDR4 boards have worse signal integrity than DDR5 boards, because they didn't need to be that good
>tight timings
timings are only affected if you mix kits
>the most autistic memory OCer buildzoid
not even close to the most autistic

it's not about DDR4 vs DDR5, you just have a skill issue

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-teased-with-5-2-ghz-all-core-clock

AMD WINS
THANK YOU AMD

>>102773790
>a ghz jump on the gaming sku
absolute Intel decimation

>>102773790
JUST RELEASE THE DAMN THING ALREADY

>>102773790
Damn that's pretty tasty. My 7800x3d only clocks 4775-4825 under gaming loads

>>102773848
twitter leaker says 7th november

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>>102773867

>>102773879
Aoi's Aois...

>>102773790
Does anyone know if a new motherboard for these is coming out? I want to get what I need now before everything high-end potentially sells out at release. Thanks!

>>102773790
Why do companies do this totally grassroots """leaker""" cock and ball torture psyop instead of just having a roadmap?

>>102774014
It lets them get a feel for the public's reaction to an announcement without actually committing to it so they can change plans if people are too negative.

>>102774009
Didn't the X870(E) boards just release? AMD didn't launch the new (actually old) chipset at Zen 5's launch

X870E (rebranded X670E) and X870 (rebranded B650-X670) launched last week, yeah

Name one USB4 device.

>>102774081
A usb4 cable

>>102773626
Can't I just get something that connects to my PSU and controls the fans?

>>102774081
my 40GB/s dildo

Why did AMD kill MPT again?

>>102774081
USB4 to USB5 adapter.

>>102774115
Yeah sure but it needs some way to communicate with the PC if you want to design RGB profiles. I'm sure somebody makes one that does that over USB but you'll need to do a bit of digging.

I wonder if CUDIMMs will help with the 4 dimm issue

What will you say is the cheapest AM5 board that could actually handle current high end CPUs and potentially future ones as well.

How's the 3060 12GB? I wanted the 4060 16 but the 3060 is like $200 less.

>>102773371
You don't have an upgrade path but a 5800X3D will last you years anyway.

>>102774231
B650 hdv/m2

>>102774252
the 4060 12gb is dumb

>>102774141
Are you sure there isn't another way? I thought I could just get a device that handles/controls the RGB by itself and just needs a SATA connection for power. And this can potentially be done over USB?

In Aus and wanting to buy a great PC for general CompSci (programming, image editing, video editing, ML, gaming, gamedev, etc) use but everything seems stupidly expensive. Is now a terrible time to buy or is this what normal is now? Original PC budgets have been around $3K but might have to go up to $6k this time.

>>102774146
Nitropath slots seem to help. But it's a 1 year Asus exclusive before we start seeing it on other brand boards

>>102774305
you're probably best off waiting until February when the 9950X3D and 5070 are available.

>>102769372
I'm on a basically 10 year old PC

Been getting into watch those 4k ASMR vids on YouTube. Would getting a better modern "4k" screen make the experience eve better or does the quality of watching 4k matter more on internet speed?

>>102774473
Getting an OLED will make it better, 4k in itself is good if you want a bigger screen.

>>102774526
Do I need to upgrade my PC to get better video quality or anything? Or is just upgrading a screen fine enough?

>>102774543
If you get a OLED you most likely need HDMI 2.1 capable GPU or latest display port tech. So it's recommended to get at least a RX 6000+.

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2024/10/10/releasing-windows-11-build-26100-2152-to-the-release-preview-channel/

Update Now

>>102774081
4K decoding should be fine as long as your CPU isn't some budget option from a decade ago.

>>102774590
That copilot key will be the call button to my Microsoft girlfriend in the future. I can't wait until they enable copilot to see.

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Would an MSI B650 Tomahawk be perfectly fine for a 9800x3D, or should I just spend the extra money on an X870 board?

How much for the 5070 nvidia?

>>102774655
a good rule of thumb will be "does it handle the 7950X?"

>>102774698
About one PS5 Pro

>>102774698
5070 12gb GDDR7 192-bit bus $799
5080 16gb GDDR7 256-bit bus $1099
5090 32gb GDDR7 384-bit bus $1899

8800XT 20GB GDDR6+InfinityCache 320-bit bus $799
8700XT 16GB GDDR6+InfinityCache 256-bit bus $649
8600XT 12GB GDDR6+InfinityCache 192-bit bus $499

I think this 1080 Ti is going to be my last ever GPU at this point. There just simply isn't any upgrade path that makes sense.

>>102774543
>Or is just upgrading a screen fine enough?
fine enough.

>>102774850
And add another 300-400 to all of those prices for Europe I guess

>>102774850
what copium are you smoking
5080 will be $1599
5090 will be $2999

>>102774937
ah yes forgot the aib tax

mostly web browsing, a few hours of modded minecraft once in a while. 4k monitor 60hz though.
12100 and 4060?

I'm about to install the phantom spirit and noticed the heatsink is not symmetrical. Does it matter wich way I put it?

all of you retards putting together gaming pcs to play newly released unoptimized, broken, missing features games that the developers promise to "fix" then wait for 1 year for them to finally "deliver" by that time your "muh new pc build" parts have become cheaper and obsolete because the companies have already released newer a product

repeat this cycle every year

>but i only play indie games
then you don't need a new pc build to play less graphic extensive and low performant games

>>102775075
What if, say, I only play poorly optimized low budget games that need to run in 4k because of atrocious AA as well as generate worthless anime girl pictures all day using 6.5gb+ models?

>>102775135
it's almost like you like being an idiot

>>102769372
Tranny setup

How do I tell if a case is good or not from an airflow perspective if it doesn't have that many reviews? I want to get the Ceres 300 because it's a rare case that goesn't come in boring as fuck colours. I was gonna get the Tower 300 but then watched some reviews that showed it has all the I/O inside the case which seems kind of annoying to work around.

People of /g/, which AMD card is closest to Nvidia 4070 Super in performance? :)

>>102774854
>no upgrade path makes sense
>even the 4060 is more powerful than the 1080ti
?

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>1851 socket has yet again the bending problem
>Intels optional ILM that supposed to fix it just makes it slightly better and a contact frame is still miles better


How in the fucking world can you fuck up something so unbelievably simple up so hard over several generations? Seriously, how can they
>let a significant design flaw like this happen in the first place
>being to fucking stupid to fix it over several new gens
>STILL NOT FIX IT IN A NEW FUCKING SOCKET
and all that while even some cheap ass 3d printed chink contact frames fix this problems in 5 minutes. Holy fucking shit.

>>102775299
they are trying to please the consoooooomer by making LGA1700 coolers compatible with LGA1851

Redpill me on static pressure. Is it really that important?

>>102775297
That doesn't make it good value for money or a sensible purchase

>>102775307
All they needed to do is making an ILM that encloses the entire CPU edges like the contact frames do instead of just the middle side parts. Old coolers should still be compatible this way and the pressure of the ILM would be balanced even. I swear, Intel WANTS to die. They should be hyper focused on fixing all the shit they fucked up since gen13, instead they repeat old mistakes with a new socket, make said new socket shortlived (chances are high it will be Arrow Lake only) and release their new CPU with potentially worse perfomance than fucking gen14. Going for efficiency was the best they can do, but at least make it competitive to Zen5 for fucks sake. Releasing a beta test CPU in a situation where you need to damagecontrol is the worst thing to do.

finally need some new storage, I have this mobo B760M GAMING X DDR4 (rev. 1.0) with a 2tb Kingstone m.2 as boot drive and a 2th seagate HDD as storage. was thinking of getting a second 2tb m.2 to use only for music production and samples, whats your recommendations? should I get an SSD instead?

>>102775292
7900GRE

Buy a 4080S right now or wait for the 5080?

>>102774850
>8800XT $799
yikes, guess i'll be hanging onto my 7900XTX for a while
>>102771451
any recommendations for GPU waterblocks and watercooling parts? kinda wanna do this since the liquid devil and asrock watercooled cards are no longer on the market

>>102775579
he pulled that figure from his ass, it needs to be $599 max if its going to be 7900XT tier, the 7900XT is current sitting at $619.99
7900XTX is going to be the AMD high end until RDNA5.

Are basic ass Xbox controllers still the bang for buck king for PC gayman? How's the latency when connected with bluetooth? I can see that they sell a 2.4 GHz dongle for use with PCs but not sure how much of a difference it will make.

>>102775536
>buy a $1000 card or wait for the $1500 card

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Anons, with this kind of setup do I use the rear fan as intake or exhaust?

>>102775651
I dont have one right now but most of the time its exhaust

>>102775651
Exhaust, or you'll suck the GPU's warm air right back in.

>>102774850
5090 is a 512 bit bus

>>102775354
>good value
of course not but don't say no upgrade makes sense because you're poor

>>102769372
Im in the market for a used gpu wat should i get
>3060ti i can get NOW
>3070 if I save for a bit
>3080 if I save for a lot of time (2 months)
What would u guys do. I game on a 60hz hd monitor. Might upgrade to 1440p or even 4k but poor for 4k..

All the announced CUDIMMs are 2x24GB. I thought more capacity is a detriment to speeds.

>>102775872
why not consider AMD? 6700XT would be better than both 3060ti and 3070

>>102775894
i want ray tracing.

>>102775967
>ray tracing on a 3060ti/3070
i'm going to be real with you, you will barely be able to run modern games at 1080/60 nevermind raytracing.

>>102775981
bruh.. i had 2060 super and it ran games ok with ray tracing and dlss

>>102775862
Just because an upgrade exists doesn't mean it makes sense
A 4070 Super might be considerably more powerful than my current card for example but that doesn't make buying a xx70 card for 700+ Euro anything but retarded

>>102776005
>bruh.. i had 2060 super and it ran games ok with ray tracing and dlss
the 2060 super is dog shit now? the 3070's problem is that it does not have enough VRAM for UE5 games and when you enable RT it uses more VRAM. Unless you're going to pretend that DLSS performance looks okay at 1080p?

>>102775967
Why are some of you obsessed with ray tracing?
The only time youll appreciate it is when you slow down and take in the scenery. But in actual gameplay you wouldnt notice any of it

>>102776029
I played alan wake 2 with path tracing and dlss at 30 fps locked on 2060 super
Are you implying there are some imaginary games that exist that are harder to run than alan wake 2 with path tracing?
>>102776045
Games look nicer

>>102776049
I does look nice, and it definitely shows playing Portal RTX. But thats a vey slow paced game, for games with a faster pacing its just no for me

>>102776049
>30 fps
poverty

>>102776049
>games that exist that are harder to run than alan wake 2
Im looking at MH Wilds real soon

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>>102776049
how are you getting 30 FPS if a 2080ti is only getting 20?

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>>102769372
Alright lads, looking to build a development machine. Shill me some your best mid-tier setups. Budget of about $2-2.5k to throw at it.
I don't need
>A monitor
>Mouse or keyboard.
Not sure about AIO or fan CPU cooling. I do fucking hate fan noise though. Thanks.

>>102774287
>I thought I could just get a device that handles/controls the RGB by itself
Yeah you can but then you're limited to the manufacturer's built-in colour profiles. Fine enough if you want solid colour or a basic pattern?

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>>102775872
>60Hz
Please, my brother in Christ, upgrade your monitor FIRST.
Going to a 120/144Hz+ display will HALVE your input latency not just in games, but moving your cursor around on the desktop as well as dragging windows, scrolling webpages, etc. along with smoother/clearer GUI animations and video playback. It's like upgrading your system OS drive from an HDD to an SSD.
https://pcmonitors.info/articles/factors-affecting-pc-monitor-responsiveness/

You can get the Dell G2724D which is the current value king monitor, 27" 1440p@165Hz for just $180
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vyqrxr/dell-g2724d-270-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-g2724d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw9ByU6AOd8

And if that is too much for you (though I heavily recommend the splurge for the above SKU) you can get a 24" 1080p@180Hz model for $98:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3fzXsY/msi-g244pf-e2-238-1920-x-1080-180-hz-monitor-g244pf-e2

Does a push+pull config on an AIO still make a diffrence?

>>102776194
What country, what are you developing, and do you also want to gayem on it?

>>102776164
MH Wilds will unironically perform best with locked 30 fps, people already discovered that higher framerate nerfs you in various ways like extending charge times for moves

>>102776194
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/36PMPF

>>102776218
>What country
UK
>what are you developing
Games.
>do you also want to gayem on it?
I don't need modern games, anything in the last 5 years will be okay.

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>>102775651
I have 2 intakes on the bottom and 1 back as exhaust.

>>102776234
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/36PMPF
That looks pretty good. Would a Corair 550W PSU be okay in this setup as that is what I currently have.

>>102776274
i'm also in the UK, what's your budget in bongs and I'll rebuild it using the UK site

>>102776247
Thanks. Do you need integrated Wifi?

>>102776297
About £1500-£1750, may go up to to £2000. But looking to add a basic game library with what is left after buying the system.

>>102776247
Thanks anon. £2.5k isn't really enough for HEDT but it'll get you a near TotL desktop system.
Here's a template build to get you started: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BnC3fy
Went for strong cooling since you mentioned low noise. Everything else is basically standard "high-end but not overkill" components.
Also do be advised that the new Intel CPUs are coming out in ~3 weeks. They say they're a little faster than the 7950X in multicore so maybe worth waiting. Also next gen Nvidia is ~4mos away if you're not in a rush.

>>102776319
>Do you need integrated Wifi?
Nah, onboard LAN is adequate enough.

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>>102773686
>running 3600+ on DDR4 with 4 sticks isn't easy either
That's due to the memory controller, not the board's memory topology.
The fact that you're stuck at sub 4000MT/s shows it.

>the memory controller and signal traces on the motherboard are designed for the typical speeds of that generation
The CPU's IMC only guarantees speeds that are disclosed on the product spec sheets.
Board manufacturers never guarantee the OC specs on their board are achievable on an individual basis, that's why those speeds are advertised as OC.
There's a reason why memory overclockers buy two DIMM slot boards.

Manufacturers like ASUS have also been modifying the memory signal pathways and the retention pin to reduce the overclocking performance gap between a 4 DIMM slot and a 2 DIMM slot board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2lVrZ5pJRc
This is real physics. Stay in your ignorant DDR4DIMM lane.

>>102776166
rt off path tracing on

>>102776253
>I have 2 intakes on the bottom

>>102776332
>basically standard "high-end but not overkill" components.
Yeah, given my budget, that's pretty much what I'm looking for in everything.

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>>102770814
As I said, my PC turned on after update 10 hours ago and worked all that time.

>>102776326
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GLK6vj

7900X is 12C24T
Mobo is variable but has wifi and will handle the CPU
Cooler is pretty standard
64GB of 6000CL30
4080 Super instead of 4080
2TB PCIe 4 NVME
750W gold rated ATX 3.0 PSU
case is completely variable

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>>102776228
All Capcom games except the likes of Street Fighter and maybe DMC are 30 FPS target games, so I'm not surprised.
Still had fun playing MHWorld cooping with JPs on my base PS4 @ (sub)30FPS.

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>>102776334
My build suggestion (£1284.41): https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/kbDDrv
The 7900(X) has the best high perf/$ for game development in your country right unless you can get a good deal on a 14700K/KF.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/10.html
Went with Nvidia on the GPU as I don't know if your dev needs could use/require CUDA, if not the 7900 GRE is also viable.
Went with a 2x16GB DDR5 Kit, but if your dev needs require it here's the cheapest good 2x32GB Kit as well (£163):
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/RHCZxr/patriot-venom-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-pvv564g600c30k

>time to test my build
>dram light turns on on the mobo
>one of the modules was a bit loose, surely it will work now
>cpu and dram lights turn on on the mobo
Fuck me. I don't even know what to do next

>>102776514
reseat the cpu

Looking to upgrade my production PC. I mainly run After Effects and some other Adobe programs. I'm not too fuzzy about encoding time, but currently the preview generation time on After Effects feels very slow.
Currently have a 3700x and a 1080ti with 32GB RAM and a cheap ~500MB/s SSD.
Should I just scrap it all and do a full upgrade? Or can I get away with a better GPU or faster SSD?

>>102776547
A faster CPU GPU and drive would help but it all depends on the workload, if AE uses CUDA to render out then upgrade your GPU if it's CPU bound then get a 5900X and if it's I/O then get a new SSD

>>102776514
Tell me you are testing outside the case, first.
Reseat the RAM, & CPU.
Make sure ALL of the data/power cables are firmly connected on the board and to the PSU (ESPECIALLY THE 12V ATX & EPS CONNECTORS)
Clear CMOS
Retry.

>>102776210
Well i dont have an igpu and sold my old card so to make the pc work i have to get a card first.
Should I get 3060ti or save for a 3070 or 3080?

>>102776547
Check PugetSystems' benchmarks if you're curious about CPU/GPU performance @ productivity loads. It includes some Adobe benchmarks.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-ryzen-9000-content-creation-review/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-super-series-content-creation-review/

>>102776547
This one includes some AM4 chips to consider as upgrades.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-ryzen-9000-performance-vs-previous-generations/

>>102776514
Make sure the CPU is compatible with the motherboard out-of-the-box or if you need to flash update the BIOS first without the CPU installed to make it support it.

I got my QD OLED monitor and this is a rollercoaster of I love this fucker and I hate this fucker

>>102776785
Which one?

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Day 554 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102776820
MSI MAG 271QPX

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Ryzen 9700x or Arrow Lake if I care less about video juegos (despite playing them) and more about low power draw and noise?

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Please rate this build. I'm not sure how to check if memory will fit. I picked the case to fit the video card and a possible future big cpu cooler.
I want to play vidya on 1440p with little limits.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QHHwMV

>>102776854
I mean it is one of the highest rated monitors on RTings and has a good feature set so what is bringing you down anon?

>>102776956
>low power draw and noise?
On idle I mean. Im aware that 7800x3d is pretty damn efficient at load. But, as most people on this site Im usually playing less videogames and are instead more often busy with shitposting. No reason to get x3d when Im playing way less these days.

How much of a dumbass would I be if I just rawdogged a 4080 super with my current setup. I wanted to upgrade this setup down the line anyway. Otherwise I might just go for new CPU ram and mobo and keep my current GPU.

CPU: Ryzen 7 3800X
MOBO: ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB DDR4-3600

>>102775883
Hynix 24gbit M-die is the highest clocking IC
And we haven't seen what dual rank 48gb sticks cudimms will clock at.

would it be dumb to buy a 7800X3D now? been using a 5600x and i've been wanting to upgrade to am5

>>102773314
Welcome to the past my friend. I used to fall asleep to the sounds of my HDD defragging overnight.

>>102776956
Arrow Lake's lack of Hyperthreading/SMT should make it more power efficient.

>>102769950
What do you have already?

>>102777070
I'd wait if it's an upgrade from 5600X

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>>102769372
Put T30 inside of Peerless Assassin. Will se how it goes once I oreder the CPU.

>>102776999
intel uses far less power idling

>>102777070
Yeah for sure if it's still $450+. Are you upgrading the whole rig or just the CPU? If CPU only, why?

>>102776976
Most of it is a Windows problem rather than an OLED monitor problem
I don't want to be using HDR permanently but when it's disabled, 24h2 has a bug where you can't toggle it with a shortcut if you want to use auto color management
It's difficult to get used to the font rendering, although it's not as bad as I thought it's still not amazing
There's a weird horizontal band effect when scrolling up and down, I don't know if it's because of the angle of the monitor
There's some coil whine while turned off because it's one of those monitors with a power supply on the back rather than separate
Half of the time it just seems to look too fucking dark. Half the time it's not.
HDR brought me extra autism because I seriously don't know how to set up this thing best. Nobody told me there were two modes (True Black 400 vs Peak 1000 nits)
If I want some nvidia features I have to disable DSC which brings down the panel from 360hz to 240hz, but the kicker is that at 240hz it looks like dogshit for some reason, so it has to be turned down to 120hz
But for fucks sake this looks so goddamn good when it's right

>>102777070
Yeah it is
Those are now overpriced and 9800x3d is expected to be announced if not launched on 7 November

>>102777070
wait for the 9800X3D, should be out in like 3 weeks or so.

>>102776956
The CPU with more cores will run more efficiently at any given power draw. Get the i7 265k and power limit it to 100W and it should be way more efficient than a 9700x can ever be

>>102777185
new intel shill script just dropped

>>102774284
>>102774252
>4060 16gb
>4060 12gb
Funny how bot of you guys are talking about cards that do not exist.

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>>102776999
It's a bit of a misconception that Intel has better idle draw. Comes from reporting differences between the manufacturers - AMD shows the whole CPU while Intel separates the components. When you test the whole system at the wall they're very close. There's maybe a kernel of truth to it if both CPUs were locked at minimum frequency/voltage - then the IO die, with its older node, would give Ryzen a higher floor but these days the cores are always adjusting clocks dynamically so it comes out as a wash.

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I CANNOT GET MY COMPUTER TO RECOGNIZE THE EXTERNAL SSD I BOUGHT. I checked the cables, I checked the bios settings per reddit users on what to check. IT IS NOT SHOWING UP AND MY 1TB M.2 SSD IS RUNNING OUT OF SPACE

>>102777343
>external
did you try disk management?

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I am planing to buy a decent gaming + datascience(not hardcore though, i will generaly use R, python etc with big datastets) PC.
My budget is 900-1000~ $ or 31-34.5k Turkish liras
You can use this sites to compare prices

https://www.akakce.com/
https://www.cimri.com/

For know i am cosidering to buy these parts

Gigabyte RTX 4060 TI Gaming OC GV-N406TGAMING OC-8GD 128 Bit GDDR6 8 GB

and 5600x or 7600x + 32 gb ddr 4 ram

any recs? One anon recommend me to buy 3070 but they are ridiculously expensive here compared to 4060s

>>102777266
Compare multicore workload temperature difference with HT/SMT on & off.
Hyperthreading and SMT were developed at a time when adding more physical compute cores to a chip was too costly.
There are also security vulnerabilities present with these features.

>>102776547
Honestly anon if you can upgrade everything, you should. Double your ram to 64gb (still won't be enough for After Effects, but WAY better than 32bg), upgrade your CPU to a 5900x/5950x/5900xt, and upgrade your GPU to an RTX 3060 or better, with at least 12gb of vram. IMO that would be a noticeable upgrade and could be reasonable without having to go for a completely new build.

>>102777363
just so you know the 7600X uses DDR5

>>102777386
no hyper threading was developed during when big little core concept didnt exist.

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>>102777327
The boomer reviewer @ Guru3D doesn't even have the decency to post his measurement methodology nor the test system specs for all those systems' idle readings.
He also stopped "updating" that chart after he was done with his bullshit agenda of misrepresenting reality.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/5.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/23.html
TPU's idle measurements were taken at the wall socket (220V AC).

>>102777431
>big little core concept didnt exist.
Because it was costly to implement, dumb fuck.
Server CPUs had at most quad cores when HT was implemented.

>>102776573
Done, but still the same result. Both the cpu and dram lights flash for a second and then turn off, but I can't power the pc on. When reseating the cpu I checked and there was no visible damage done to the pins. The mobo has the 2 CLRCMOS pins and I've just held a screwdriver between them for a couple of seconds. It also has a flash BIOS button, so I pressed it just in case

>>102777010
you would be a large but happy dumbass.

>do it, you know you want to

>>102777573
>>102777573
>>102777573