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old thread dead!

>>102783511
>DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD)
klevv bolt v is alright?

>>102783564
Yes, it's one of the better A-dies. Klevv is practically a Hynix subsidiary.
Any in the list below is good.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#b=ddr5&S=6000&F=2666666,10000000&B=1100000000,1350000000&TT=300-360-360-760&sort=price&page=1

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if i use 7800x3d should i install Windows 10 21h1 ltsc or windows 11 24h2 ltsc?

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Does anyone here build systems to be /quiet/

>i mean like obsessively mouse-fart-sounds-like-thunder quiet

whats a good waterblock I can get for the 4080? I wanna start watercooling

>>102783601
you should test both as a Windows-to-Go install on USB with Rufus, can update drivers and everything, just slow on disk writes. But you can see the W11 GUI and decide.

>>102783595
shouldn't it be 30-38-38-96 ?

>>102783657
The lower the timings, the better

guys I'm about to give up on pcs. I have to buy a new hard drive every few months due to fucking hard drive failure. I buy used to save on money but they fucking break every time. this last one didn't work after 3 months!

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+2%
LMAOOOOO

>>102783611
You'll end up noticing the coil whines more, that's the most common complaint with ASUSxNoctua video cards or Dark Power 13 PSUs.

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>>102783657
>>102783667

>advise to test the crap out of your system

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>>102783611
yes, that's the whole point of a custom loop

>>102783611
I don't care personally because I play with headphones and not speakers

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>>102783714
Or take the JEDEC pill®.

Thinking of upgrading to AM5 board and I read alot about it taking up to 2 minutes to boot to bios with a NVME SSD. WTF is this still an issue? Does Intel DDR5 have this problem?

>>102783511
>>RAM
>Only 2x
What is the purpose of this? Why not use 4 as the manufacturer intended?

>>102783778
AGESA/BIOS updates improved boot times a bit.
Enabling a feature called "Memory Context Restore" in the BIOS will speed up boot times, but it's not advised to leave this on if you're doing any manual tuning.

>Does Intel DDR5 have this problem?
Intel 13/14th gen had a worse problem with the CPU requesting dangerously high levels of voltages, anticipating heavy all-core loads.
Microcode updates fixed it, but they're overpriced given what's available in the market.

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>>102783746
where is the fun in that?

>>102783832
How much did it improve? is 20-30s possible? I also read about turning on Memory Context Restore cause blue screen and crashes for some people is that only due to manual tuning?

>>102783700
let's hope the 9950X3D has cache on both CCDs otherwise this shit is a total bust

>>102783700
delete this sar

>>102783619
Why? The 4080 doesn't generate enough heat to need its current heat sink.

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>>102783811
o not this again

>>102783718
the fans would make it too noisy

>i need to hear the mice farting

>>102783601
you should install vanilla os 2

>>102783861
>How much did it improve? is 20-30s possible?
I don't think so. I'm reading it takes about 30s to enter BIOS.
The more memory modules populated in the board, the system will take longer to boot (kek).
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/how-to-make-am5-post-not-ridiculously-long/210506

>I also read about turning on Memory Context Restore cause blue screen and crashes for some people is that only due to manual tuning?
IDK, I'm just the messenger.

>>102783902
You can always adjust the fan curves and pump speed to lower noise at the cost of higher (but safe) processor temperatures.
Even 60~70°C is a good operating temp for the CPU & GPU, I believe 70°C is the cutoff point for Intel TVB.

>>102783700
are tomb raider/wukong known to be cpu-bound though?
it looks kinda grim if thats all they could eke out of a new x3d gen

How do people keep positive air pressure with these AIO? I have 3x140mm as intake and 1x120mm as a rear exhaust currently. If I put a 420 or a 360 up top then I would have negative pressure. Just have my exhaust fans spin a bit slower than my intake at all times with different fan curves?

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>>102783511
As god intended.
>>102783700
They better price this shit the same or cheaper (as its cheaper to produce) or else these faggots can fuck off.

>>102784015
just install more intake fans

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>>102783957
ty anon, i will keep researching, liquid cooling looks like fun

>>102783511
Haruhi is a shit girl, kys

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>>102784122
5090 $2999 any projection thats cheaper is delusional

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>>102784100
damn that is a regressive behavior

>is there a setting in BIOS for memory retrain on warm boot? i can understand if it happens from a cold boot but c'mon

>>102783700
X3D does nothing in some games. This sample is way too small. 10% uplift on average is what you should expect.

>>102784150
It's DDR5 problem.

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>>102784194
but /r/ayymd told me NVIDIA was about to go bankrupt?

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Check the GPU rec

>>102784144
the leaked price is 2000-2500 but that's not definitive
i expect a slightly lower price given that people are going apeshit about it.

>>102779248
It happened with Pascal

>>102784214
along with /r/linux confidently proclaiming that the year of the linux desktop is upon us

>>102784137
>50% better for 3% total uplift
WE ARE SO BACK AMDBROS

>>102784226
2009

>minecraft

>>102784151
>10% uplift on average
>for a new gen
its over amdbros...

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>>102783700
They fixed the clockspeed issue on x3d this gen. Near 0 downside now

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>>102784162
sounds annoying

>>102784226
>its over nvidia is finished
nice to see that the delusion has been generational

>>102784277
better than -2.85%

>>102784315
its over for gayming bros...

>>102783778
It hasn't been a problem for more than a year
Gigabyte and Asrock boards boot in under 20 seconds

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how quickly can /g/ build a pc without fucking up build quality? I usually spend a few hours, but I'm a cautious builder.

>>102784364
I spent 6 hours fucking around last night and I'm still not done. Hardest part is these rubber fan screws god damn they are tight. Used pliers to stretch them out. Should have just got noctua ones but now I don't feel like waiting for them to arrive.

>>102784364
maybe an hour if im distracted but ive built so many over the decades that im not scared i might break shit like many first timers are

>>102784364
I can throw one together in ten minutes but if I take my time to make it pretty, probably two hours.

>>102784226
4850 was the last AMD GPU to top the steam hardware survey, I used to have one

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>>102783902
>i need to hear WHHHHHHRRRRLLLLLL
Also I have speakers. I like to hear them, not the fans :)

>>102784301
price

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popping ai bubble is the only way for gpu price to go down

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why the fuck do so many PC cases come with gay ass clear side panels I am not a fucking tranny fuck

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>>102784650
lmao zoomie, we've been putting windows in side panels before it was a thing. We used to cut windows out with a dremel and put plexiglass it, it's always been a nerd thing

>>102784650
There are some cases with a solid side panel variant.
Few off the top of my head...
Fractal Torrent, North (mesh side), Define 7, Meshify 2, Focus 2, and Pop Air
be Quiet Silent Base 802
Antec P10 etc.

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>>102784675
I like the black

>>102784781
It's okay to like the black, and it's okay to not want a window, but to say it's some troon thing is just untrue.

I'm getting a free laptop. I have two to pick from
>1650 maxq + i5-11400H
>1660 ti + i7-9750H
As far as I can tell, the bottom GPU is almost twice as good as the top one, but the top CPU is almost twice as good as the bottom one.

Which is better? Can't upgrade because it's a laptop.

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>>102784748
....blood red might be acceptable

whats the best thermal paste, or is it all the same?

>>102784811
bottom

>>102784811
Twice as good seems like quite a lot. Tiger lake was a pretty sizable improvement over the Coffee-Comet lake CPUs, but they're still relatively similar CPUs on paper
I'd much rather have the considerably better GPU if you're going to be playing games - you'll be GPU limited a lot of the time anyway, and it's not like the 9750H is a slouch. It's still a 6c/12t cpu on a moderately modern architecture
If you're going to do CPU intensive work and just need the GPU for a bit of CUDA or to play a game of league occasionally on sundays then the boost in single threaded performance with the 11400H could be nice

>>102784811
the one with the better gpu duh.

>>102784476
i see. i am not looking at building for an HTPC use case, more for a super quiet desktop. can be a bigger case if it has to be even full size like a 4U but nicer to look at than some rackmount box. really just want the absolute lowest noise floor when idle and reasonably quiet when running under load with a modern AMD CPU. have not done liquid cooling in a long time, there is a lot of stuff on the market and a lot of it is real crap.

anons, what is the best place to shop for liquid cooling components?

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>>102784935
>>102784951
Thank you, anons. I really wish this stuff was easier to intuit at a glance.

>patent NitroPath
>cheapest ASUS Z890 with the feature is the $500 Z890-E
I sleep

>>102784980
I miss Checkers. The closest one is a 2 hour drive.

>>102785092
Thankfully it's under joint ownership and will be available for other brands in a years time

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>5070 TBA at CES
>8800 XT also likely TBA at CES
They're totally going to tag team the consumers, aren't they?

>>102784956
>anons, what is the best place to shop for liquid cooling components?
performance pcs or frozen cpu.

Remember more rads = slower fans. Also if you really want quiet undervolt your CPU.

I went direct die but I'm a faggot

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>>102785324
yes both will be $599, stop nooticing.

>>102785376
Please save us intel

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>>102785324
>going to tag team the consumers
nooooo that never happens

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>>102785390
Intel wants to create a menage a trois

>>102784332
Ok good to know. Im looking at some b650 gigabyte boards. Hopefully they solved the slow boot problems.

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>>102785390
Intel needs their own savior.
There's a real chance the RTX 5070 and/or the RX 8800XT launch ahead of Battlemage.

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>>102783700
>>102784056
>>102784277
>>102784151
9900X: almost double the speed of the X3D chips with minimal impact on gayming (especially at >=1440p) for the same price.
X3D is a gay gimmick for end-slop customers.

>>102785390
you mean qualcomm

>>102785478
not everyone needs multicore performance, people want the highest effpees which the X3D offers.

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>>102785376
>>102785391

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>>102785504
news from 2008

>wasted post count

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>>102785502
It also has much better single-threaded performance.

>>102785575
people don't play cinebench, the application performance uplift outside of games is impressive but its not what most people are looking for. its the same reason E-cores are sneered at, all they do is make multi thread number go up.

>>102785575
Still worse in games

>>102785610
its not worse, its just not much better.
15th gen will be worse and get favorable reviews because reviewers will treat Intel will kid gloves because they're behind, you watch.

>>102785610
There's virtually zero difference between them in 4k and marginally so in 2k.

>>102785478
>$578.50
Feels good to have ignored waitfaggers and gotten one at $340

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>>102785610
>>102785634
>>102785636

>>102785634
>>102785636
Still worse in games

>>102785649
>the most gpu-demanding game ever made at 1440p to benchmark CPUs
Epic, simply epic

>>102785649
that's less than 1% better.

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>>102785656
>5% faster across 14 titles
>0% faster at 4k

>>102785674
>CPU benchmark at 1440p
Epic, simply epic

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>>102785691
>he buys a 7800X3D to game at 1080p

>>102785698
Physics don't care what resolution you play at

>>102785739
A higher resolution means the physics are bigger.

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>installing sata cable
>it rips
Please let this m.2 nightmare end. First I had to order a standoff, now I have to get new Sata cables that aren't 90 degrees. I am so fucking over this man.

>>102785390
Maybe in two generations. Same as AMD.

>>102784364
I miss Nanami

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>>102785390
>>102785831
There's a good chance the highest battlemage tier will compete with 8800 XT lmao

>>102785860
Does it take into account RT?

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>7700X + B650 Livemixer from Amazon which probably means international warranty @600
>7700X + B650 Aorus Elite AX with local warranty @779
Is the local warranty worth the extra 200?

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>>102785780
shitty cables or clumsy anon?

>pinched a SATA cable putting together system one time
>mfw i had no spare

>>102785874
Aorus comes with Wi-Fi, so that if you need it. Otherwise go with livemixer (if you can stand the design kek)

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are these g2g? i only need 1 to replace the failing one on my case.

>>102785874
amazon is sweet for warranty. they dont even wait for your shit to come back and only ask a few questions
they will charge you if you dont return the faulty item after a month though so you cant fuck around too much

>>102785912
I don't really care about design but that's a good point for Aorus. I'm nervous about having to send faulty units all the way back to the US too so I'll probably just get local. Thanks dude.

>>102785917
if you dont mind the annoying droning they make at ~1k rpm then theyre good

>>102785889
>shitty cables or clumsy anon
Cable is about a decade old, but it was definitely both. I was getting pretty pissed off with the whole ordeal since I had forced a 90 degree into a straight SATA slot and It took considerable force to remove. Some of my drives are no longer showing up in my BIOS so I might have damaged something. I don't know, I really cant be fucked anymore. I'm gonna get an AM5 soon anyways.

Do you need an SSD with dram for your boot drive or does it not matter?

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>>102785944
>are no longer showing up
oh shit

>>102785944
sata cables are like $1

>>102785962
>While DRAM can be used as a write cache, most typically it acts as a metadata cache for the SSD.
>The Host Memory Buffer, or HMB (not to be confused with HBM), feature of the NVMe specification allows a DRAM-less drive to utilize some system memory for this caching.
>HMB is not quite as effective as dedicated DRAM but modern drives can have high performance without DRAM.
>DRAM-less drives may have drawbacks like higher write amplification, which reduces endurance, or weaker sustained performance, and background maintenance will have higher overhead. This is especially true for SATA and QLC drives.
>However, these drives are improving with intelligent controllers, and NVMe drives have the benefit of HMB which works well with cheaper drives as they rarely need a lot of mapping headroom.

https://sabrent.com/blogs/storage/dram-hmb

>>102785941
they'll probably just be at full blast so that's fine

>>102785962
main difference is when transferring large files for sustained periods of time
if thats something you do often, get dram, otherwise the hmb on modern nvme drives is more than sufficient for general usage, as borne out in countless reviews at this point

>>102785874
>B650 Aorus Elite AX
Get Mortar. I was 6 years on Gigabyte, don't.

>>102785962
>>102786023
Judging from the Sabrent reading, I think DRAM-less TLC NVMe SSD like the SN770 is okay to use as a boot drive.
Silicon Power UD90 isn't certain to be TLC, some owners claim they have a QLC drive.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit?gid=0#gid=0

>>102785963
Yep, I'm almost certain I destroyed SATA slots 3 and 4. At least now I have an actual reason to upgrade, kek.

>>102784364
When I sold my old build last year, it was in parts for storage and guy wanted it built, I did it in 20 minutes.

>>102785860
>OpenCL
>geekbench
doesn't mean much, the issue with intel isn't hardware, they proved they can make decent-ish GPUs, the issue is their driver library which they are not filling fast enough.

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>tfw only 1x 8 pin PCIe and no molex connectors
>tfw have to upgrade PSU to get a new GPU

>>102786112
is your PSU 20 years old? That was the last time I've seen molex natively.

>tfw the only way to access bios is to rebind a button on my mouse
having a bluetooth keyboard can have serious downsides desu

>>102786128
I got it in a used build a few years ago, turns out its from 2008 lol

>>102786133
1. you shouldn't have wireless keyboard, especially if you live in dense area
2. it works fine on anything younger than 10 years

>>102786128
pretty much any modular psu will come with at least one cable with a molex connector

>>102786112
nigga i just adapted 2x 6 pin to 2x 8pin and plugged that shit into a 4070 Super and have zero issues.

>it is a 1.1Kw PSU with 18A available for each of the 6 pins tho

>>102786153
I don't have that either, I've got 1x sata power left and nothing else.
It's a semi modular PSU and I lost the other connectors

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>>102786139
>you shouldn't have wireless keyboard, especially if you live in dense area

next you'll be telling us to wrap our heads in tinfoil

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>>102786176
>lost the other connectors

that was not smart

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PCBG what is the use case for non-portable external drives these days?

>>102786194
do not underestimate people's will to steal anything that isn't nailed down.
last spring two dudes threw a safe out a window from second floor of my apartment complex, took it and ran away, and I live on a crowded street

>>102786290
>non-portable external drives
it's called NAS.

Stupid question. If I have an old motherboard with PCIE 3.0 (B450) and I upgraded processor that has PCIE 4.0 (5700x3D), does that mean I have newer PCIE gen now?

>>102786316
no. it will fallback to 3.0

>>102786078
>don't
Why not?

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>>102786292
so the idea is that some random crackhead might try to steal my keyboard and would be put off by a connection cable is why we should not use wireless keyboards?

>maybe instead of browsing /pcbg/ you should be looking for a better neighborhood to live in

>>102786328
Oh ok, this sucks I thought every technology regarding PCIE was on processors nowadays.
Also Noctua fans are worth it?

>>102786344
no, Idea someone will see you are sitting in front of a PC all day and will try to steal all your passwords that you occasionally type in.

>>102786368
yes, PCIE is on a CPU but the lanes are on the motherboard, you need more and better lanes for PCIE 4.0
just get a pack of Arctic P12 or P14 fans.

>>102786338
bios support, MSI is just better

>>102786368
>Also Noctua fans are worth it?
If the +$40 fan cost doesn't put much dent in your wallet, why not?
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/noctua-nf-a14x25-g2-pwm-finally-a-first-class-140mm-fan-review/43/
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/noctua-nf-a12x25-pwm-the-most-fine-tuned-fan-of-its-kind/42/

The older fans aren't better than competing ones like Silent Wings 4.

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>>102786397
40? NF-A14 is like 25 Euro where I live. It's just for the CPU, old thermalright fan started to whine/vibrating after cleaning (it had a good run)

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>>102786299
a NAS is not an external hard drive. if that were true then the goldarn Google is one of my my external hard drives

>have two NAS boxes
>asked about use cases for external hard drives
>anon put down the crack pipe long enough to make a non-relevant reply to my post
>can we try again plz?

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>>102786373
kek i have some bad news for you, anon

>they don't have to be nearby to watch over you

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>>102784364
Took 5 hours the other day to move a build from an old case to the new one (that does mean the CPU was already installed). It was originally not built by me, so for what's essentially the first time I'd say that wasn't too bad, especially since I half-ass everything and lack space/tools.

>>102786427
that's way harder to do, scrubbing your, likely unencrypted, bluetooth is easier.

>>102786413
>overclocking
wtf lol? No one who can be "sold" to is overclocking their CPU

>>102786412
>a NAS is not an external hard drive.
it sits in your room connected by wire to your PC, yes it is.

>>102786411
>NF-A14 is like 25 Euro where I live
That's the old fan, the new one (NF-A14x25 G2) costs 40 EU.

>It's just for the CPU
You probably won't need Noctua fans to silently cool a 5700X3D if the heatsink is large enough to work with a 140mm fan.

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>>102786407
>>102786413
>>102786422
>>102786428

salespeople are the slimy goo that corporations ooze into your lives, anons

>>102786450
it's smae as halo products mentality, "I can't get 4090 but nvidia is the best, right?"
"I'm not going to OC but intel is the best at it, right?"
it works on certain demographic.

>>102786411
Just get a 5 pack of Arctic P12s

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>>102786453
neither of my NAS boxes are connected to my systems by wires, anon, and they do much more then act as storage in any case.

>pretty sure that 30 years of doing this for a living was a smart thing to do

>>102786413
>p cores
worthless when most games utilize 1-2 only, thats why x3d shines
>e cores
lol lmao
>pcie lanes
pretty sure amd has slightly more lanes on the consumer chips so you are always using x16 instead of the last one downgrading itself
>intel wifi
am I dumb? isn't wifi reliant on the motherboard?
>ai features
what a joke
>rebar
at best it's the same as SAM (+3-4 fps small gain in most games), at worst it does nothing
>overclocking
was this made by some clueless gen x nepo hire? overclocking has been dead for a long time. maybe undervolting but thats usually a gpu thing
>gaymers value connectivity features
literally the opposite and it's not like intel can do anything about it aside from making the lanes 24 instead of 20
>fast wifi
does intel offer preferential ISP plan prices or did they mean stable wifi?
where is the power consumption and temp?

marketing was a mistake

>>102786508
>neither of my NAS boxes are connected to my systems by wires
it doens't fucking matter, you have trouble grasping concepts? drive is in your house, it is connected to your system thus it's external drive.
also are you routing it through wifi? are you retarded?
going through router by wire and then into your PC counts as connected by wire.

>gaymers desire wifi
in what universe

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>>102786544
sorry anon but doubling down on being wrong is just plain stupid

>network attached storage <> external hard drive
>anon tries to argue otherwise with actual decades-in-the-biz boomer IT worker
>anon gives no input of value to the discussion
>what is the actual use case for an external hard drive these days?
>waste of thread post count ensues

i'd love to stay and shitpost some more with you but the grownup has to pic related now

NAS are a waste of time anyways. It serves no purpose if your computer isn't on, and if your computer is on then you might as well have put all the drives in it to begin with

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are you >>102786654
>spouting gibberish like some sort of poorly implemented bot

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Other motherboard with this exact slot spacing? Can fit two 3-slot cards and single at the bottom? Strange how you can't filter for this.

>>102786979
to add, not just limited to Z890, any platform within 3 years

>>102786654
Do you not have a family? A wife and kids? Holy fuck anon, what kind of loner loser are you? Grow up.

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>>102786979
no, maxsun-shill-san

>>102786979
Enjoy your GPU clearance issues.

>>102787418
kek

>naming a mainboard after a failed line of SSDs

I'm looking for a display with 2560×1600 resolution, plain and simple. Any advice?

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>>102787535
WQXGA 16:10, kinky

>i like it
>good luck finding a quality monitor tho

>3060 ti getting black squares flickering when watching youtube videos after 2 years
cool

>>102787535
Prepare for disappointment. I see a few on PCPP but they're all old 60Hz "office" monitors and they're priced the same as midrange 4k/144 panels. Shit sucks but that's the way the market settled.

>>102783700
moores law is dead

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>>102787613

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>>102787626
yes and your point is?

>>102783511
daily reminder for weebs

PVC (which figures are made of) softens and melts at relatively low temperatures. Heat it up further and it releases a toxic gas. If you use your PC for anything more than very light work, having a figure inside is bound to damage it over time

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>>102787703
anon, when you show up at a party, do all the cool people leave?

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AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

POOZEN5 BTFO

>>102787782
>7.2% over 14900k
bros our ipc improvement?

What is the redpill on the new generation of Intel CPUs? How will an Ultra 9 285K compare to a Ryzen 7950X? Especially for productivity.

>>102787774
anon I have some of these figurines and the good ones are really fucking expensive. Since faggots in these threads follow ricing trends the least they should know is that every moron who put a figurine inside their pc has slowly degraded it

>>102787822
the bluepill is that its faster than the 9950x according to intel
>redpill
not yet available until reviews drop

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>>102787822
Nothingburger.

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>>102787822
>productivity
cheesus just go buy a minipc with a Celeron in it

>>102787845
go buy a mac*

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>>102787836
ah, i see

>foolishly spent all my money on stuff to make my waifu /comfy/

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>9000 x3d leaks
>it's even worse than non-x3d, because those are at least good for muh productivity
wow it's literally fucking nothing

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>>102787877
no thanks i already got one.

>wait, two
>dammit three of the things i dunno those silly OS X things are for the waifu
>doesn't everybody have a half dozen different machines doing stuff for them in their home?

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>>102787900
Wdym?
X3D has good productivity

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>>102787957
intel-kun's department is looking for some new cope for when it comes out that intel pulled the 'massive efficiency gains' out of their ass

>>102787992
why are those rich fucks bald?
get yourself some hair, dummy

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>>102788006
meanwhile, anon gets ready for his date

>>102783611
I specifically bought the Fractal Define R5 with low speed fans (should've just bought the regular ones and set the RPM lower but I'm retarded), undervolted my GPU and run my CPU at stock speeds AND use headphones.
I regularly turned off my porn HDD because it's really fucking loud even in idle. At one point I thought my neighbor was making noise until I realized it was the HDD.
I don't hear my PC in most games unless the CPU is utilized heavily. Coil whine is filtered really good with the case, low noise isn't so great, main reason I don't use Noctua fans anymore, the low hum is fucking annoying even at low speeds.

>>102788095
>Fractal Define R5
thanks for the input. nice looking case, but i would be concerned with top-mounted ports and stuff

>on account of the Cheeto dust floating around

>>102788157
If you can get it used for cheap, it's pretty good, thermals are pretty shit though. If I remember correctly opening the door pretty much fixes that but I don't do that because it defeats the point of noise cancelling.
I haven't had any issues with the USB ports at least so far (4 years), I usually clean my apartment every 2-3 weeks so it's pretty dusty at times.
I can't really upgrade to anything other than the Define 7 because I want a 5.25 drive bay and at least 4 USB-A ports, no "modern" case has that anymore because of glass shit and USB-C replacing 2 USB-A ports most of the time.

>>102788214
>because of glass shit
glowies

>USB-C replacing 2 USB-A ports most of the time
tres moderne, anon, and thanks for the information

>>102788242
Yeah I'm not even a boomer but I also like USB 2.0 ports on my mainboard as well, I don't own a single device that uses USB-C.
Same with SATA, why the fuck isn't it possible to have M.2 slots and still 6 SATA ports for a regular ATX board? I hate modern cases/mainboards.
>thanks for the information
You're welcome

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>>102788265
kek
#13: SAS/SATA ports
#15: SATA ports
#14: SATA AHCI ports

>take the workstation pill, anon

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>>102788288
Maybe I'll do that, still needs to be good for gayming though. I could build a NAS server but I don't want to spend that much money for HDDs, I used to buy a new external drive when the older ones got full, those are mostly very slow 2.5 drives. 5 of them are connected via USB

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>>102788265
wow sure are running short on motherboards with 6 sata ports

Ok just bought all my parts.
B650M msi mortar
Ryzen 7600x
Peerless assassin 120 SE
Lian Li lancool 216
Corsair R750e
G.Skill Flare 6000mhz cl30 32gb
SN850 1TB
Dell G2724D
Now to wait for blackwell/rdna4.

>>102788423
good work, do you have a gpu to work with while you wait?

>>102788387
If you add a decent amount of USB ports, the result it 0. And with decent amount I mean 10 USB-A ports (some of those can be 2.0).
Intel isn't an option for me, I don't want e-waste cores fucking up compability with older games or fiddling with core allocation for each game.
At some point I'll just accept that I can't get modern board that satifies all my needs without costing $500+ but it's still annoying.

>>102788423
>anon forgot the GPU
OH NO NO NO NO

>>102788443
first one on that list, MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI has 9 USB-A on the rear IO, plus headers for 4x2.0
you do have a usb 2.0 bracket don't you?

>>102788480
>has igpu
>didn't read last line

>>102788426
I regrettably recycled my old 1060. I'll have to make do with the igpu until then.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/794734/intel-npu-driver-windows.html

>Added Arrow Lake. The name displayed for the NPU device in Microsoft Windows
Device Manager and Task Manager is aligned with the NPU brand name: Intel AI Boost.

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>>102788496
Yeah and B650 shares lanes from the M.2 stuff and SATA ports. Don't waste your time with helping me, I'm mostly just seething at the shitty modern stuff that doesn't fit my needs anymore. Thanks anyway.
>you do have a usb 2.0 bracket don't you?
No, pic rel is sufficient for me. I could buy one but it feels pretty bad buying a $200+ board and having to buy addon shit for it.

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>>102786102
>>102785461
>>102785390
When is Intel expected to release Battlemage? If they release this year, BEFORE the competition, they would be giving themselves a pretty good headstart to gain at least some market share before Nvidia and AMD release their new-gen GPUs.
I've read that the hardware has been done for months and that they're just working on software at this point, but look at Alchemist. They worked on software for their entire generation and are still optimizing. Why shouldn't they just release now and continue to deliver driver/software updates as Battlemage matures? It's like they DON'T want a headstart...

>>102788563
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/lunar-lakes-igpu-debut-of-intels

Battlemage is already out, faggot

>>102788546
>I'm mostly just seething at the shitty modern stuff that doesn't fit my needs anymore.
Can't you just slap in a PCIE card you slobbering inbred nigger monkey?
Also have you considered not having 6 sata devices? It's time to upgrade, grandpa

Windows blows ass, why don't you guys take the Linux pill? You don't want to bottleneck your newly built PC right?

>flip the psu switch
>all fans spin for a second
>press the power button
>nothing happens
>no lights, no beeps from the mobo
Huh?

>>102788587
>Can't you just slap in a PCIE card you slobbering inbred nigger monkey?
Read my whole post you illiterate fag.
>It's time to upgrade, grandpa
I don't need SSDs for movies, porn, music and shit. And building a NAS right now means replacing all my HDDs because they're slow as fuck, I didn't really think about that stuff when I bought them back then.
When they'll start dying I'll do that but until then it's a waste of money imo.

>>102788608
>>flip the psu switch
>>all fans spin for a second
uhh

>>102787611
>>102787535
When are we getting 5120x2400 21:10 monitors? That would be the perfect aspect ratio and resolution.

>>102788358
Not to argue but have you considered putting your PCIe lanes to work? There's cards out there with 10x USB ports on them. Might even be a combo HBA+USB model somewhere. Yeah it sucks that there's no mobos that "do it all" these days but the point of putting all that bandwidth into PCIe is so you can customize the IO to your liking.

>>102788608
Read your Mobo manual

>>102788573
I meant the dGPUs you disingenuous faggot, you know what I meant.

>>102788358
>>102788623
nvm I just saw your post. Seethe away fren.

>>102788613
You're just a whining faggot when the solution was much simpler
>waa waa I have to buy addon shit for my very specific needs!
It's not modern shit ruining things, it's just technology improving to the point where 99.99999% of people don't need that shit, so instead of putting it on motherboards, they simply expect you to use preexisting solutions for your needs

I’ve never used water cooling. I have a stock cooler and inbuilt chassis fans that are kind of loud. I love having a quiet desktop. What are the main advantages of water cooling, will it be a lot quieter or does it increase performance because it cools better? I don’t really give a fuck about getting +2% in some benchmark.

>>102788532
bro...

>>102788623
>>102788634
Yeah maybe I'll do that, still sucks but so is life I guess. Seems to be the best solution, thanks anon.
>>102788644
Partly yes but some shit is still generally retarded, see post code displays for example.
Also it sucks that there's mostly gayming shit for people how apparently don't have any data and use streaming shit like absolute retards and work station stuff.

>>102788646
>What are the main advantages of water cooling
looks good, that's good
you should really only watercool for aesthetics

>>102788646
you ever tried cooking and a pan full for water takes longer to heat up than a dry pan? same shit with water cooling vs air cooling. it will take longer for the AIO to heat up so you get a quieter system until it saturates.

>>102788593
Best solution is to move your PC farther away from you, ideally under your desk.

>>102788669
>see post code displays for example.
I will give you that, removing that is retarded, likely was to cut costs since a beeper is cheaper

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FP64 is another area where Intel catches AMD. Lunar Lake seems to have doubled FP64 throughput compared to its predecessor. None of these GPUs are good at FP64 compute, but Intel is ahead now.

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

>>102788691
lunarlake is pretty solid but you'd have to pay me to have mossad inside my pc

>>102788691
Still slower than 5800x3d in cyberpunk running last gen ram and pcie

>>102788713
Are you fucking retards? 5800X3D does not even have an iGPU, fuck off faggot if you don't know what the adults are talking about

DO NOT BUY THE NEW INTELL CHIPS NEVER ACCEPT SIDEGRADES MADE FOR THE COMPANY TO SAVE MONEY DO NOT BUY ANY NEW CHIPS UNTIL HEY ARE A 50% UPLIFT FROM THE LAST CHIP INTEL IS BULLSHIT INTEL IS FUCKING BULLSHIT THIS IS ENTIRELY UNNACCEPTABLE FUCK THEM ANGER IS THE ANSWER

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>>102788721
>igpu

>not having discrete graphics in 20XX
sneed

>>102788675
This is true only if you can select your fan speed based off water temperature. You'd need to design your loop with a water temp sensor and run software to read it. Don't get me wrong, it's a great feature to have but it needs some forethought to implement and does basically the same thing as programming in some hysteresis which you can do with air/AIO cooling too.

>>102788744
ARL very likely costs more to make than RPL so you're getting a great deal there at the same msrps

>>102788691
considering it uses as much silicon for the gpu tile as one AMD CCD, it should.

>>102788757
Best I can do is excrete graphics.

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>>102788757
they too expensive & fragile now

>>102788841
Who's that? Linus shilltips? I wouldn't trust that retard with screwing in a case fan.

>>102788629
Best thing I could find there was the BIOS Flashback feature. Might aswell try to update it just in case.

>>102788808
I DONT GIVE A CHIT A NE2W CHIP SHOULD BE MORE POWERFUL THA THE OLD CHIP AND WHEN ITS NOT ITS NEVER ACCEPTABLWE I HOPE INTEL GOES THE FUCK OUT OF BUISINESS FOR THIS
MORE PERFORMANCE IS ALWAYS THE GOAL

>>102788938
Anon their resetting their power usage from spacecraft re-entry levels to the level of a small hair dryer.
RPL isnt even usable at its launch performance today because it burns itself out in months and should not be used as a yardstick to measure previous levels of performance

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dont buy HMB drives btw. less os overhead than onboard cache.

>>102784364
It's fine to spend a few hours on your first build, but any more than 1 hour for your second and you're an NGMI.

>>102783601
you can run both no problem, they should be around as good as each other

>>102788980
I DONT GUIV E A FYUCK I WANT MORE PERFORMANCE THAT SHOULD AWALYAS BE THE GOAL LESS PWOER CONSUMPTION MEANS FUCKING NOTHING
NOTHING!!!

>>102789120
chad power consumer vs virgin environmentalist

>>102788865
>a led should blink once the flashing starts
>it doesn't
>removed the cmos battery as instructed and tried again
>it still doesn't turn on
Fuck me

My pc won't boot at all sometimes even though it was working perfectly fine before. The PSU works, and it does have power, but the power switch wont boot it up, tried to jump start it and didn't work either

Right now I tried to boot it up after leaving the psu on for a couple of minutes as I went to get some coffee and the bastard did turn on.

What could be the cause of this? electrostatic stuff?

>>102784364
It took me like an hour to put everything together, and then I spent the rest of the day trying to run the cables in the case.

[laptop] I'm getting CMOS checksum error crashes constantly, but my laptop doesn't have a dedicated cmos battery; it uses the main, integrated one.
Can't find help online, anyone knows what to do?

Best 4k 32 inch monitor for gaming but also to spend long long long hours browsing forums and productivity work? I figure OLED is out and I am in an apartment this year for work so I can only have 1 monitor.

Something MINIled? Preferably not curved but am willing to hear suggestions. Would like the colour to pop out a lot etc. Are OLEDs usable for that sort of shit or am I just begging for burn in?

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Fuck it at this point I'm just getting a 4000D at least it doesn't have shit-tier HDD mounting like everything else I've been looking at.

If I get a 7700 can I just run the pc with the igpu while I wait for a sale on the gpu?

>>102787822
>What is the redpill on the new generation of Intel CPUs
Skip. Only improvement is the power consumption (which intel wouldn't do if they weren't physically forced to)

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>>102789446

>>102789611
yes but its performance is somewhere around 9600GT tier...

>>102789627
was meant for >>102789572

>>102789431
>I was missing a 4 pin cable on the PSU
It all runs fine now. BIOS says the CPU is at 35ºC, I think that's a decent temp. Thank god I'm just retarded.

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>>102789611
>while I wait for a sale on the gpu

How is Gigabyte doing these days? The only 1851 eATX board that looks somewhat promising is Gigabyte. Last time I checked people where shitting on Gigabyte for insane coile whining (on AMD though) and late BIOS updates.

>>102789723
>he's actually buying 1851
lol

I'm honestly underwhelmed by the performance gain I've gotten going to ddr5 with a 7800x3d and 4070 super from my 3600 and 6700xt.

>>102789723
mATX I meant.

>>102789637
Unfortunately that's a problem for all tempered glass panels. Good reason to avoid TG but it does limit your choices.

>>102789732
Yes. Im not into videogames and just want a chip that runs cool enough to have a silent PC. Fuck AMD and its ridiculous idle temps even on 9000.

>>102789637
I figured. I am currently getting a boner over the Antec P101 Silent so that's my current choice.

>>102789758
Brand debate aside, on CPUs with dynamic boosting (all of them) you modulate your idle temps/noise by adjusting the fan curves. I have a 5800X3D+DR4 and it runs <500RPM until it hits about 60C. With a 0.7s step time for spin-up it's well below the noise floor when web browsing etc.

>>102789758
Intel shills are already twisting reality in their script huh?
Last I checked, intel made the hottest chips on the market with their 14700k and 14900k CPUs while amd's 65W Ryzen 7 9700x runs really cool

>>102787535
3007wfp. mines still going strong at my parents house

>>102787703
>melts at relatively low temps
no it doesnt. ive worked with pvc for decades (underground water tanks) and even coming out of the oven at 200c it still keeps its shape unless plied with a massive amount of pressure
sure theres many other variables that can affect the melting point but even chinkoid pvc holds up at 100c

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>>102789842
Its a known problem that AMD draws like 50w at idle whereas Intel only needs half of it. I remember some Anon here claiming his Intel draws 5w at idle.

>>102789733
im overwhelmed going from 2600+1080 to 7800x3d+4080s
sucks to be you i guess

>>102789956
I think that's down to AMD being chiplet-based and Intel being monolithic. Unofrtunately, the move to Tiles with Arrow Lake I expect Intel's idle power draw to dramatically skyrocket.

Should I completely disregard next gen Intel after the whole fiasco? They claim the issue was solved but man it's hard to trust them now.

>>102790068
It's unlikely that Arrow Lake will have the exact same problem, but consider that this problem is just symptom of cultural decay and competence crisis. And niggers.

>>102790068
intel gens aren’t going to be particularly exciting for a while till they smooth out their tile packaging

>>102790068
>now
Anon, I'm old enough to remember Pentium FDiIV bug. If you're stupid enough to trust Intel (or AMD for that matter), you fully deserve a disappointment.

>>102790090
>but consider that this problem is just symptom of cultural decay and competence crisis
shit like this was happening 30 years ago retard

Anyone can recommend a good case ATX/mATX up to 250 in eu. Want with good airflow and decent noise level. No RGB slop, No glass panel slop and no Fishtank. Bonus points for itx cases that can fit 150mm psu.

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>>102789758
If you wanna idlemaxx, get a laptop, or a mini-PC with a mobile CPU. If it has to be a desktop, try an APU.

>>102790122
>No glass panel
Sorry bro but this is 2024. None can be found in the mainstream market

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>>102783511
Should i disable Ftpm in 24h2 ltsc?
Specs is 3900x with rtx 4060

>>102790122
Asus Prime AP201?

>>102789528
Don't spend more than $500 on an LCD no matter how good it is because beyond that is OLED-money, you'd be happier with one for gaming/video plus a cheap office monitor for desktop stuff both on a vertical monitor arm that you swing around to quickly swap between them, no matter the apartment space.

A 27" 4K LCD will make text and other fine details much sharper than a 32" 4KL model on account of having higher pixel density (think about your phone/tablet). Some good options would be:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tq9wrH/asus-rog-swift-pg27uqr-270-3840-x-2160-160-hz-monitor-pg27uqr
^My first choice for the price/features
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dTJp99/gigabyte-m27u-sa-270-3840-x-2160-160-hz-monitor-m27u-sa
^If on sale or the others are sold out.

If you must have a 32" sized panel then:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k2cG3C/samsung-odyssey-neo-g75nb-320-3840-x-2160-165-hz-curved-monitor-ls32bg752nnxgo
^My first choice if you can tolerate the curve
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qfwypg/dell-g3223q-320-3840-x-2160-144-hz-monitor-210-bdbk
^If you desire flatness

>>102790156
It's decent, I'm still deciding between it and Ncased M2

>>102790150
I hate the fagstream

>>102790189
>Ncase M2
too small for me personally, I think at that point you're guaranteed to sacrifice performance, plus it's what, like 150 more?

waitbros...
we lost...

Checked the cases in the OP but they don't hit the sweet spot for me, please recommend a literal black box medium tower with no bells and whistles that has the best possible airflow near $100.

>>102783511
Looking to sidegrade my 2070 super since I keep having driver issues with nvidia on linux. Is the arc a770 worth it? Should I just get a radeon 7600? Any better options? I just want the cheapest sidegrade but if I can get a better gpu for like 30~ bucks more than the cheap one I might do that.

>>102789956
It's a problem, yes, but not one that affects idle noise - a decent CPU cooler can dissipate 30W, or more, passively so your fans would be running at PWM minimum either way. The other issue is hair-trigger boost, which both companies do, but that problem is solved with hysteresis.

>>102790252
6650XT might be cheaper but yeah RX7600 is basically equivalent

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Does an aftermarket AM5 contact plate improve cooling performance?

>>102790281
no

>>102790300
if not, what is this for?

>>102790244
no..
wait longer..

>>102790250
Meshify
Pop (Air)
Define (Compact)
P10 FLUX

>>102790324
>AM5 contact plate
Basically just to prevent paste & aesthetics

>>102790250
>H5 Flow
Has glass but high tint option. Very monolithic design.
>Focus 2
Solid panel option but no filtration and generally "budget" feel.
>Pop Air
Same as the Focus 2 but a bit nicer. Textured front grille though.
>Meshify 2
Solid panel, proper filter, very expandable, but $120+ and has a similar texture on the front.

>>102790324
something for retards to buy

>>102790324
Most charitably it can help with extreme memory OC - of the "apply settings, bench once, submit to HWbot" sort - but in reality it's 99% for keeping paste out.

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>>102789956
>I remember some Anon here claiming his Intel draws 5w at idle.
It can go lower if I set deeper C-States, but that causes memory OC instabilities. Currently running @ C6.
No performance loss btw, I get what I paid for. Slight performance improvement from stock due to lower temps.

Changing computing/gaming habits like lowering monitor brightness & refresh rate, and setting maximum FPS caps will save more power instead of being concerned about idle CPU power draws.

It's also more impactful to use a high-efficiency PSU (Cybenetics Titanium-rated) that is proven to be efficient at lower power loads.
HWBusters have specific criteria to recommend these PSUs.
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/5/

So, what happens if I install windows 11 and then disable TPM in my bios after the fact? Does Microsoft throw a hissy fit during updates or does it just werk?

>>102790324
to stop ants from going under the IHS

>>102790730
what does the tpm thing do? what benefit do you get from disabling it?

>>102790741
As far as I know it's just used for bitlocker, login credentials, and corporate malware like kernel level anti-cheat. None of which I use

>>102790730
>updates
lol