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I wuv my 5700XT uwuno better value at the $120 price point
>>102841108mesh shader status?
how do you think 285k vs 9950x3d is going to stack up?
I want to upgrade my motherboard integrated wifi card.Will any laptop card off aliexpress work or do I have to search one specifically made for my motherboard?
>>102841138its going to be lucky to be able to go toe to toe with the 9950X
>>102841122Abandoned
>have 3060ti>hold out for months but finally upgrade to 4070ti-s because i need more ports for monitors>take out old card, go to resell it>realize it's a 3080 that had enough portsThis is it. It's the most retarded i've ever beenThe only saving grace is the used value of the 3080 is more than half the cost of the 4070ti-s and the used market here is shit so I may be able to recoup a lot of the cost before the 50 series comes out. Plus I did need to upgrade to push triple 1440p165hz at any sort of quality
>>102841210>had a 3080>downgraded toa 4070ti superlollmao
Who here optimize their fuckin wattsIt costs me 4 cents per hour to play video games with my 6700xt + 5800x3d at 4k on a 65in TV with the GPU loaded 100%, both undervolted. I have 2 performance profiles depending what I am doing... Essentially I have a "me" profile with lower power usage and then a high power one for entertaining others. I'm trying to get it down to 3 cents.Recently just discovered how much memory clock influences ryzen idle power draw on my 5800x3d.>3770mhz DDR4 @ 1.38v>1885mhz Fclk>SoC voltage of 1.005v required >18w idle>3232mhz DDR4 @ 1.33v>1616mhz Fclk>SoC voltage of only 0.850v required >12.5w idleRight now my 5800x3d is idling at 31'c with my CPU fan at 450rpm (lowest it can go) with my 2 case fans at 600rpm and my PSU fan off. With a $20 120mm tower CPU cooler with ptm7950.
>>102841247Not me. I'm renting. $1100/mo. 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, 2 floors, a small balcony and an underground garage spot. Electricity and hydro included. Fucking amazing that I don't have to worry about electricity bills so I just have my 6 computers on 24/7.One consumes around 200w. The other 5 are around 150w. So around 950w.
>>102841210I haev a 1070 and am happystop consooming. and pick up something more productive than gayming (gay=faggot)
>>102841230?? not knowing which gpu you have before upgrading is peak retard but the 4070tis outperforms the 3080 in every metric and it has 16gb. am i missing something?
>>102841210Dafug Shoulda gotten the 4080S then
>>102841247what does your 6700xt pull at 100%
>>102841247i fukken' wish i could save some watts
>>102841230I don't see how it's a downgrade but>>102841274I really did need the extra display ports, or at least I thought I did. I went from a 750ti to a 1050ti to a 3080 and now the 4070ti. This is the first time I didn't skip at least one generation>>102841284I looked at it but with a sale the 4070ti-s was the better value. Over the last 2 years 99% of my game time was spent in 1 game and after buying triples for it I optimized my rig around it
>>102841068So are we getting pantherlake 18A for desktop too? Current rumor is that nova lake 14A in 2026 will replace arrowlake instead
>>102841294It pulls about 175w fully loaded with my undervolting, tdp uncapped. I have it configured to run slightly faster than stock. During games 5800x3d averages about 25w (before memory clock reduction).
>>102841418>weeping at the thought of pulling close to 500 watts just so I can look at cat pictures>thats not counting the RAM or the 4070s
>>102841328Drop the contrarian act and get an efficient single socket Ryzen CPU like most normal people
>>1028413962 more year shintel will destroy poozen. Trust the plan
>>102841492kek no, i need the money for hookers and booze>my system laughs at me as it reads Considérations sur la théorie mathématique du jeu
>>102841525first you oxidize then you maximize
>>102841473>dual xeon>290Wa 100W 7900 would replace this.
>>102841582I looked up the performance and it's as fast as a single 9700X
>>102841615yes, you could replace it with a 9700X too
>>102841582yes but >>102841532 is literally the build, not gonna toss a perfectly good old workstation in the trash>old shitbox mogs any budget build>i got most of it free and upgraded to the 4070s>love me long time for cheap
>>102841210Well at least you didn't pay $750 for a 3060 Ti
>>102841633yeah but games only use a handful of cores so you're killing gaming performance
is a vertical 21" monitor a good side monitor for a 32" main? i just want some extra real estate for when i'm working and the height of a vertical 21" is only a little longer than the height of a horizontal 32"
How do you guys (U.S.) sell your old PC parts? I'm extremely paranoid about getting robbed/scammed. Cash only? Meet outside a police station?
>>102841640not everyone is a /gaymer/, anon>some of us lust after real computing power
>>102841648i upcycle them into working PCs, kit them out with a keyboard and mouse from the skip, and donate them to charity organizations as shrink-wrapped Linux Mint boxes.>not that i don't worry about getting shanked at the local crack ho clothing store
>>102841640>killing gaming performance>>102841659also pic related, anon>not bad for a vintage 2015 crapcan>show us your Passmark score, anon
Will I get away with 64GB (4x16GB) 3200MT/s CL16 on Zen 3? I don't want to fuck around with manual RAM timings>RAM timing schizos need not reply
>>102841807should work fine. why not 2x32t. RAM timing schizo
>>102841777that's measuring multithread performance not single threaded.
>>102841817>why not 2x32Usually I would for AMD naturally - but QRD:>cheaper for me to get lower speed CL16 SKUs in this config - I care more about the CAS latency>allows me to split the DIMMs for current purposes and then consolidate into one system later on
>>102841855post your /passmark/ before you shitpost about my trashcan build, anon
what is the best gpu for 4k couch gaming?
>>1028418884090 soon to be 5090
>>102841777>Ryzen 4650u thinkpad that I paid $217 for a year ago
>>1028418884090 currently for DLSS performance at 4K. I have serious doubts that the 5090 core will be that much better, increased VRAM might help you though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the 4090 is still CPU bottlenecked anyway is it not?
Zen 5 X3D status?
>>102841958mogged by the brute force of my >>102841777 crapcan>how is the thinkpad holding up to use? the last one I had in 2019 took a real beating and never gave me any trouble
>>102842015overpriced
>>102841969at 4k i doubt it and if it does it depends on the game
>>102841969>increased VRAM might help youYou are literally retarded
>>102842033MFW i checked 'em
I want to upgrade my 3600 to a 5700X3D but I heard they run hot, will my Peerless Assassin get the most out of it?
>>102842165>he bought a peerless assassin for a fucking 3600i run phantom spirit with 7800X3D and it werks fine so i dont see why not
>>102841885okay, now post your single threaded cpu mark score.
>>102842223I upgraded from a Phenom II that crashed at 48C so I had a very skewed perspective of what a good CPU temp is.
>>102842365>>102842223if you can afford it I see no problem just slapping "PA 120 YOLO" on your daily driver no matter what the part is
>>102838067>Zen 5 too high IQ to have performance upliftAMDrones are something else...
>>102842347have too many open cat pictures to turn off HT and reboot, anon but I recall this dropped 3d performance into the high 80th percentile and gained 2d a little bit>have tuned this old bastard to run Windows as smooth as silk>change le bios settings in Windows with old-skool HP Performance Advisor>shitpost on mongolian sperglord board>pic related?
>>102841108basedo
>>102841210Jesus fucking Christ, did you not open task manager once?
>>102842486no need to get upset, anon. here, have a book.
Should I wait for RTX 50 or buy a PC now?What's the latest news on when it's dropping?
>>102842472(AMD) CPUs don't die unless you kill them on purpose, they'll be there on the used market when I need to upgrade.
>>102842572current leaks point to a rtx 5090 and 5080 reveal at CES next January and will probably be really fucking expensive I could also recommend for right now the RX 7900XT on sale is looking really good
>>102842604I don't like AMD cards because the last time I tried them it failed within 2 years. It just seems less quality than NvidiaAlso it lacks gamer features like ultra low latency and GSync and whatnot
Are the MSI Gaming X Slim cards okay? I figured a smaller cooler wouldn't work as well as the fat ass ones.
>>102834865>FBI jacket censorednot a bug, just a test run of the reality editing technology, coming soon to your smart glasses next
>>102842631if you can fit a bigger cooler it's always the best to do so.
How do you guys measure how much L3 cache a program is taking up on your X3D CPU?
>>102842619>it failed within 2 yearsthat is not AMD's fault that would be the vendors (asus, gigabyte msi etc)also gsync is just freesync which AMD has they are the same thing and AMD also had Anti lag and Anti lag 2
>>102842619You sound like a retarded prebuilt jit hahahahaha man this place is full of underaged cunts now that don't even hide it
>>102842665For what purpose? CPU cache isn't really "taken up" since, unlike memory, it can't be frozen or allocated.
>>102841777hate to break it to you but this $80 6 core is faster than your 18 core behemoth
At about $10~15 more, is the 4070 Super's performance worth the trouble of having to deal with the 12VHPWR connector or whatever they call it over the standard 4070 and its tried and tested 8-pin PCI-E?
>>102842731is your $80 6-core hosting four NVME drives, six mechanical drives, 128GB of RAM and 1123 watts of PSU in a 50lb tool-free chassis with bespoke cooling solutions like my $0 workstation? Admittedly it was kind of pokey with the old Quadro M4000 it came with.Post your full /build/, anon.>think of the value of a less-than-disposable system
>>102842797yes, do it. TDP is not that bad.
>>102842800of course not, consumer hardware doesn't have any pcie lanes.you should get a threadripper, your cpus are slow and inefficient.
>>102842675No contribution to conversationJust obsessing over indiansYou sounds like the normie pol tourist to be honest
>>102842800this is pretty trivial to do on am4/am5/lga1700
>>102842840already been fixed and anti lag 2 is now officially supported in the game by valve
>>102842833>>102842840Fucking hahahahahahahaha you're obviously a underaged cunt that doesn't even hide it. Go suck your Mommy's milk jit.
>>102842840Enjoy your 3.5gb
>>102842826>slow and inefficientthey are fukken' Haswell Xeons, OFC they are space heaters. i use the damn thing to dry my smelly otaku shoes. so what?it was free and this thing will run well past W11 IoT EOL. i'm >>102841659 not a "budget" minded builder at all but I'm also thrifty. $600 for the 4070s makes this mog all the budget builders>>102842826not going to /consoom/ until the day it dies on me and by then I will have gotten another used workstation (mmm, the HP Z8s have been out for a while) from the skip at work and shitpost about that>>102842836not for $600 total and time spent it ain't>once you have taken the workstation pill you can't ever go back, anons
>>102842675well aren't you just the ray of self-entitled-bigoted-sunshine>>102842914can you two move your interracial cybersex to another chatroom kthxbye
>>102841068Why arent modern games friendly to 1440pWill I be forever stuck at 1080p?
>>102843017you're only stuck on 1080p because you're retarded
>>102843017go write a game that /werks/ for you>don't forget the teledildonics plug-in, k?
>>102843105sounds like you hate freedom
>>102841648I say I'm going to sell them, then just hoard everything I might one day need for projects that will never happen instead
>>102843105imo this doesn't go far enough.it should be so you can pick if you're left or right handed and if you're an archer you should be able to remove a breast of your dominant hand which is historically accurate for female archers, return to tradition.
>>102842797The performance increase from 4070 to 4070 super is almost as big as the difference between 4080 super and 4090 and that costs an additional 900 bucksYou'd genuinely be retarded to even consider the 4070.
>>102842484>>102841122Serious question.What games use this?
>>102841642Don't forget to consider the PPI.
I wish there were more 24 inch 1440p monitors. The only ones in the US are obscure chinese trash.
>>102843402Alan Wake 2, trying to say "lol RDNA1 cant mesh shaders" is an own goal however because 10 series and older cannot either.
>>102843561>10 series and older cannot eitherYeah, they almost make it sound like it's an AMD problem or something.
>>102843561So the game won't run on RDNA 1 cards?
>>102843585shills gonna shill I guess>>102843596it does, it just falls back to vertex shading
>>102843561https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3PkRbeO8AYou are a clueless ignorant retard, GTX 1080 Ti and GTX 1080 runs it much faster than POODNA1
>>102843628yes, its running on vertex shaders.
>>1028411389950X3D is going to use 1/3rd the power and be faster, 285k will have some catastrophic issue and will self destruct again.>2024>seriously considering intel CPUslol. lmao even.
>>102842418It's the truth, there will be a similar overhaul on intel's side with similarly no real performance uplift.But it's the required move to gain performance with future iterations, the Zen architecture was updated 3x, the base design limitations have been reached.Obviously you're mentally retarded, have never written any code in your life, and don't know shit about CPU architectures.If you looked at simple synthetic benchmarks like anandtech does then you would see than Zen 5 is 40% faster in these simple workloads, more complex programs require a lot of work to be adapted to use that performance.Has *NOTHING* to do with pro-amd pro-intel fanboyism. Now go kill yourself retard.t. low level programmer
>>102841582>>102841622why would he do that though? He would have to run the 7900 at 100% for 5+ years straight 24/7 to make up the price of a new CPU that he "saves" with those 150W (not even talking about new MoBo, new ram etc)
I'm gonna waterblock a 4080 Super and there is nothing you can do to stop me
>>102843893watercooling is a memewatercooling a gpu is an even bigger meme
>>102843746he might as well be running the 4070 in a Skylake system for gaming, its farcical.
>>102843893Be prepared to join the masses on eBay selling cards they broke trying setup a water block
>>102843922I wouldn't consider it if GPUs weren't 3+ slots, literally can't buy a 2 slot high end GPU outside of China and even then they are loud af>>102843985because turning screws and fittings is such a hard endeavor?
>>102843893oh no no no!
questionI bought a type C usb hub. When connect to PC , sometimes it prevent PC from booting (just stuck at bios, debug code 64)remove hub and PC will boost fine.What causes this? usb hub doesn't even have any device connect to it nor it's connected to the wall.
>>102843893based
>>102844056faulty usb port/faulty hub
>>102842593>5070 >12gbAm I being rused?
>>102844056Have you checked the MBR in the BIOS?
I need a cheap pc for web browsing and studying. Basically shitpost here, watch 4k60 vids, open pdfs and run wolfram mathematica.I was looking for a 5600g, is it good enough for this kind of usage?
new Q drop from chinkforums
>>102844259Yes and and dont forget a mobo with integrated graphic.
>>102844227No..but it's always uefi
wheres the new intel chips? I want to finally buy a new PC. ive been waiting since pre-covid
>good single core performance>not insanely hot What should I look for? I won't play games with this machine
3090Ti9950X3-4 SSDs and HDDs eachwhat kind of PSU should I run for this setup?currently got 1000W running same setup but with a 10600k, do I need to upgrade?
>>102844400>single core focus>no gamesWhat do you even need that for?
>>1028444421000W is absolutely fine if it's a good model.
>>102844472Autodesk Revit
How can I fix cables?
>>102844555If you have reasonable expectations and don't want to overspend a 9700X should be good (around 90W max), but I know Autodesk software favors Intel in ways some benchmarks can't account for, so maybe you could wait a bit and see how their new lineup turns out.
>>102841068whats pic rel from?
>wasted money on fans againWhy am I like this
What are the chances Arrow Lake is at least on the same level of efficiency compared to Ryzen 9000? Because they kept comparing efficiency and temps with Intel 14000 series, which was hilariously inefficient, so the bar wasnt really all that high.
I think I'm going to buy the MSI MPG 321URXShould I?Primarily gaming, youtube, and movie watchingAlso probably a lot of 4chan browsing.
>>102844870Not great not terrible.
>>102844400>>102844555>Autodeskyou probably want an intel i9 non-K cpu thenor alternatively, an arrowlake cpu that's launching on 24 Oct
>>102844186how do you check for faulty usb port? I connect a mouse to it and has no problemthe hub? probably. Got it recently
>>102844870Barrow Lake shill slide deck claims it to be more efficient than AMD.But it also claims it's considerably faster than 9950X in MT which third party benchmarks don't really corroborate.
>>102845162
>>102845170>with power limit unlocked and 10000mt ram and
So, basically I got an (AMD)RX570 4GB. And it's becoming outdated.Brought it 2 years ago for 100euro.Don't get me wrong, it is more than enough to play most games at Medium/Low. But I want the pretty lights etc.From Marketing I can see the FSR3(or something similar) only being available to the 6000 series.My budget would be 150eur, I'm struggling, because there are really to many options, and these fuckers release the 6050 then the 6055 then the 6055GT. And not even sellers can keep up, so many cards even if older still retain price.Please help. Regards.
>>102845316see if you can pick up a used 6600XT
>>102845316Look for a second hand 6650xt, it'll be your best shot by far. Cheapest I can find one over here is 170€If you're lucky, you might find a cheap 7600 but I wouldn't count on it.You might have to go for a 6600(XT) but then you're giving up like 10-20% performance for absolutely minimal price benefits
>>102845277285k with 8200mt memory actually falls short of 9950x with tuned timings in geekbench.It's a nothingburger, 18A better be a blowout.
AMD>Nvidia
>>102844951help?
>>102845349>>102845387Thanks, like you said, 6650xt for 170... And the same goes for a 6600xt, at the same price.No luck for 7600, as they go for 250+.Out of curiosity, where are you guys searching? I'm just using eBay, and Facebook Marketplace.Regards.
>>102844951>>102845469No, not at all, that monitor is Overkill if you don't plan on (extensive)gaming and watching 4k movies.After you hit 120hz you get diminishing returns, why is 60hz? Because math and frequency of a second. 120 you can feel the speed, comparing 120 to 140(or even 240), not sure one can see(not feel) the differenceWith that display you better be watching 10bit HDR10 4k movies, or play at with the highest graphics.Do you even have the latest graphic card that supports this?
>>102845526I have a 4080, that's enough right, I mostly just want it for the OLED-ey ness
>>102845526I agree that 120 FPS is pretty much good enough (my laptop and phone both have 120 FPS screens and they look great). But on my PC I have a 144 Hz monitor, and I swear when the frame rate goes down from 144 to like 130 or so I can perceive the difference. I don't know if that's really true or if I'm imagining it or whatever, but it feels true to me.
>>102845540My current monitors are also all 1080POne's like a VA panel from 2012
>fractal pop XL is like 100€this is like half the normal price for fractal caseswhat's the catch?
We are fucking cooked if people are really chomping at the bit for this piece of shit
>>102845560nta, but what you're feeling is probably frame timing
>>102845571nothing, they just wanted to claim some market share while Corsair was shitting the bed
>>102845575No way such a large proportion of people are considering a 5090, that's crazy.
>>102845560You probably don't have VRR turned on.
>>102845596the 4090 was far more popular than nvidia expected
>>102845596They'll pay $2999 too, nvidia loves its whales
>>102845571It's just a basic design compared to their other ones. I have the mini and it's great, as long as the XL is the same but scaled up I don't see any catch.
>>102845499sites that are specific to my country (2dehands/tweakers/marktplaats) & facebookI don't bother with ebay, nobody legit lists actual second hand stuff there anymore
>>102845596The suspected wattage on them alone is insane. I'm looking at a high end upgrade for 1440p ultrawide. Looked at the 4080s a bit, but am waiting for the full 5000series specs to release. A lot of speculation was the 5080 was looking gimped. It's insane to me that the wii under full load used around 27 watts, but these gpus are getting to 600+.
>>102844684try theses.
>7800X3D went up in price AGAINwaitsisters, they played us like a damn fiddle...
>>102845670the “leaked wattage” is likely far higher than what it will happen, the 4090 was leaked at 600-800w and never got anywhere close to that
>>102845674Aren't all X3D chips like meant to be limited run and in small production?I don't see how they'd lower in price over time
>>102845674I expect AMD to release a 7700X3D after the 9800X3D comes out because they're obviously holding back supply>>102845703No the X3D CCDs are being made constantly for enterprise customers
>>1028443235070 Ti might be worth waiting for.
How much performance can I realistically squeeze out of OC’ing a modern setup if I go full water loop, direct die, GPU, RAM, VRM and PCH water blocks?
>>1028457632%
>>102845670600W TDP is the heat dissipation requirement.In terms of the actual power draw, the 5080 probably will stay under 400W.5090, I'm expecting between 450~520W.
>>102845575>>102845596they aren't considering it, they're just interestingthere's nothing interesting about the other cardsthey won't be good valuethey won't be good budget cardsthey won't be good mid range cardsthey won't add anythingAt least the 5090 will be the new strongest GPU so it's interesting, just to see how strong it is
>>10284576315% on the GPU instead of 7% on air
>>102845575>no none of the above optionnovideo poll
>>102845912ESL?
>>102845763Most of the gains will come from the direct die CPU cooling.Air-cooled memory sticks & video cards can OC well without water cooling assuming your card has a good/thick heatsink.I think even 5~7% gain is optimistic for a water-cooled OC'd video card to an air-cooled OC'd video card.The cooler VRAM chips may help, but not by a lot (binning limit).You need to go real stupid using chilled water to let the GPU Boost algorithm run at the maximum possible boost clocks at a given voltage.You will be GPU bottlenecked at higher resolutions and visual settings anyway.
>>102845674You got greedy. Zen 5 launch & review date should've been the latest time to pick up a 7800X3D.>'But I was waiting for 9800X3D'Then wait and buy that instead.>'But I was waiting for 7800X3D holiday sales'You got greedy, last year's discounts were good enough.
I need help planning a VESA setup bros. Both monitors are 27'', but one is for work and the other for games, I want to always have one or the other facing me dead center with the ability to "rotate" or switch. Any configs like that? Imagine pic rel but with the ability to swap.
Day 559 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>>102845931newfag?
>>102845912it's literally the third highest vote dumbass
Why does nobody test overclocks of AMD vs Nvidia?
Anons, Im thinking of getting the NCase200. Wouldnt the GPu benefit from a vertical setup?it pulls in air from the sides and air is blowing upwards from below.
Too many variables like chip-to-chip power characteristics, including the memory chips.The reviewer's OC experience isn't a representative sample.Older games & benchmarks present more flattering OC results because they simply don't run the GPU hard enough.There was a 165MHz GPU boost difference between the world's best Time Spy and Speed Way record on the same 4090 Matrix.Then you have to ask how stable the reviewer's OC was.There is a big difference between a single-run Speed Way stable OC to one that can run it for hours in fully heat-saturated scenarios.
>>102846302No. If you have fans at the bottom then having the GPU horizontal is always better. The GPU fans needs to pull air from the outside, through the holes, which means it's not efficient.While fans at the bottom do all the work and the GPU fans just push the cold air already in the case through the GPU.
>>102846375I see thanks anon, that saves me from buying a vertical mount
>>102841068POORFAG HEREMy venerable 1080ti has shat itself, now I am in need of a replacement.My options are a 4070S or a 7900GRE in my shithole (price difference negligible)4070TiS would be the obvious patrician's choice, but costs 50% more (shithole)>1440p>DONT care about memetracing>STRICTLY a gaming rig>DONT play many competitive games>Remaining components will not bottleneck either>PLEASE adviseThanks anons, your insight is appreciated.
>>102846424do you care about memescaling or memegen?If not, no point buying NvidiaNvidia has three things going for it, memescaling, memetracing & memegen.
>>102846424Then it's down to whether you value DLSS.If you don't care, get the GRE. Pretty straightforward situation.
is the 50 series card gonna be a 30% increased performance or 4% like before?
>>1028464244070s because fuck AYYMDEONS
>>102846462the 5090 will
>>102846424Since you're retarded enough to unironically use the word meme tracing, the 7900gre is perfect for you anon. If of course you want to do the sensible thing, then purchase the 6800 or 6800xt. The GRE is a terrible card for its price.
>>102846462>30% increased performanceUnlikely except for the more costlier cards. Every chip manufacturer needs to sandbag performance gains as much as it's accepted by buyers.There's almost no reduction in cost per transistor for every new node.
>current case data sheet says gpu clearance is 348mm>front fans eat 20+mm>all cards I'm looking at are 330+mmAre there slim rgb 120mm case fans? I need to cope with those.
>>102846424GRE you fucking retard. Always AMD. You are getting a 4080 for super super cheap.
>>1028464625080 will be a more expensive 4080 super that performs marginally better5070 will be between 4070 super & 4070 ti super5060 will be a dumpster fire
>>102846555>rgbcope yourself in the grave, tranny>muh card lengthshere you gohttps://pcpartpicker.com/product/zLNYcf/
>>1028465934% performance gains! When we used to get 60%
>>102846570In what world exactly? Are we making specs up as we go now? This is without it shitting itself in RT BTW. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-gre.c4166
>>102846609wow ur so sophisticated
>>102846632His totally Time Spy single-run stable GRE outscored a reference 4080 Super.
>>102843402Minecraft
>>102846632>No path tracing>1080pJust to hit the point home.
Does the GPU brand matter?>MSI>Gigabyte>ASUS>Sapphire>PowerColor
7900 XTX or 4080s?
>>102846755to an extent yes if buying AMD always go for an AMD exclusive vendor such as XFX, Sapphire or power colour
>>102846815use case?
>>102846689desu for cyberpunk I only think RT reflections are worth it RT shadows are dumb
>>102846755The card model matters more.Gigabyte Windforce tends to run hot & loud, but their Gaming OC is okay.MSI Ventus is pretty boring, it's literally a reference card. Gaming X and Suprim have a bit more OCing power headroom and improved cooling.ASUS Dual is the better dual fan card in the market, TUF has a good build quality but some production batches use substandard thermal paste that rapidly deteriorates. Strix is overpriced, and should only be considered for the best chips (4090/5090).Sapphire has consistently good build quality, and even their reference cards are solid.PowerColor cards are good too, theirs seem to be discounted more often. Hellhound and Red Devil have very good cooling & noise performance.
Will I tell a difference between 144hz and 240hz?
>>102846829games
>>102846905Find a discounted 7900xtx then
>>102846898yes but not as dramatic as 60 to 144
>>102846921Fuck that was the reply I feared...
>>102846898Not really, i like 144fps but realistically i just cap at 90 to 120fps. It's a 2.78ms difference in frame time between 144 and 240.60fps to 144 is a 9.72ms frame time difference.
>>102846632>single gameI disregard anyone that just posts a single game benchmark because it's almost always cherrypickedThat being said, I don't know what that anon smoked since the 4080 is 15-20% better, but 4080 is dogshit value so that's kinda irrelevantI'll give him the benefit of doubt & assume he meant 3090 or 4070ti (which is still a bit better, but close enough that you could make the comparison)Getting close to a 4070ti's raster performance for 200$ less is what I have to assume what his point is cause I prefer to think I don't share this thread with literal retards
>>102846555> Corsair iCUE AF120 RGB Slim15mm deep, available in both white and black.
>>102841068How do I know if a mobo has ''good power delivery''?
>>102841642yes absolutely - pretty much any monitor as a side monitor for mu productivity can be great. I run a 24" 1080p in portrait mode on the side of my 32" 4K. aside from the fact they don't match it's great for working.Mind that your side monitor should have good viewing angles from all sides. I have an old cheap TN display somewhere that I tried and it looked like shit in portrait.
>>102846998Comparing hz numbers is kinda meaningless, because it's hard to interpret them. Change it to ms instead60hz is 16.666... ms/frame75hz is 13.333... ms/frame100hz is 10 ms/frame120hz is 8.333... ms/frame144hz is 6.9444... ms/frame240hz is 4.1666... ms/frameso 60->75hz is a bigger difference than 144hz -> 240hz. So is 75hz->100hz. So is 100hz->144hz.Basically, yes but with an asterisk
>>102847182The number of power stages in the VRM and the rated capacity of the DrMOS/SPS.Practically all consumer boards use a doubled/teamed VRM configuration.
>>102847201And almost no monitor marketed as 240Hz can actually respond fast enough for that number to be meaningful.
Which one should i get ?rtx 5060 4gb - perfect for 480p gaming with upscalingrtx 5060 ti 6gb - perfect for 720p gaming with fg, vram generaion, dlss 5 (only for 50 ti series)rtx 5060 ti super faggot 8gb - perfect for 720p native gaming
>>102847314We get it, you're seething because a $300 card isn't specced to last 8 years or more.
>>102847122No cherrypicking anon. It was just random. I don't have that kind of time or stake to go hunt for best case scenarios. Also, I commend your optimism but... Well...
>>102847329im seething because they are basically the same as past generation/worse at the same fucking price
>>102845526>Overkillno. a good monitor will be something you keep for many upgrade cycles. buy the best one you can afford so you don't feel like you need to toss it into the skip in a year.
>>102846424If you're a poorfag, DLSS will provide the best longevity
>>102847243>>102847343even random benchmarks are an issue, because sometimes some games have a VERY big difference in performance between amd & nvidia. I think I saw some compiled results list between two cards that were like 10% apart or whatever and one game got like 113% more avg fps in one game.Oh yeah, here it isLike this shit is absurd>Also, I commend your optimism but... Well...at worst he's merely pretending right...
What is the best PC case for air cooling
honestly these passmark results for ARL are completely bafflingon the one hand you have regressions in basics like integer computeon the other hand the physics score is amazing, which should just not be the case when going from a monolithic CPU to a tile-based one, given physics sim typically scales heavily with cache hitrate and/or memory latency (in fact the X3D chips punch way above their weight in this benchmark vs non-3D counterparts)either the benchmark is full of shit or Intel put in some alien technology in the frontend and/or execution engine
>>102847419not having one
Why don't cases came with 200mm fans and not 120mm?
Reminder: unused ram is wasted ram.
Why do people say the 5700x3D is better for gaming than the 5800x3D?
>>102847470tabmaxxer, I kneel
new MLID intel FUD just dropped
>>102847500they are lying
>>102847500because 5700x3d is 135$ & 5800x3d is 450$
Cant find my 2.5 to 3.5 adapterAny cheap way to seat a ssd in a 3.5 bay?
>>102847500>>102847524>>102847526Why do people say AMD is better for gaming than Intel? Intel just works
>>102847409Fair enough. The difference looked about right so I didn't think too hard on it.>>102847419I like the lancool 216 anon.>>102847500Price to performance, I assume. The 5800X3D is alot more expensive while only producing single digit gains in most games.
>>102847142>iCUEIsn't that their gay proprietary control gadget?
>>102847527Electrical tape.
>>102847468They used to.They don't anymore for a few reasons>200mm fans where never standardized, what came with the case was the only fans that fit typically.>large fans typically have terrible static pressure which does matter for case fans as they pull or push trough front panels or meshes>120mm and 140mm fans got quiet enough
>>102847419the one you likeperformance differences will be minimal between the bigger towersit only really matters for tiny builds
>>102847543>Intel just worksit doesn't though, that's why people get amdintel just doesn't work
how much of a shill do you have to be to unironically recommend someone a 7900 xt over a 4080s
>>102847650Isn't the 7900XT being sold at under $700?Completely different price pts.Still wouldn't buy either card at this time.
>>102847650>>102847690What are the downsides of the 4090 and 4080s
>>102847650a 650$ card & a 1000$ card are not meant to be competing, anonAs for who would take a 7900GRE/7900XT over a 4070super, rastermaxxers of course
>>102847704>What are the downsides of the 4090 and 4080sShit value, that's about itI'd much rather buy a 4070(ti)super
Looking for some speakers.Fluance Ai41 ($350 CAD) or Kanto Yu4 ($480). I don't plan on getting a subwoofer.
GRE and a 4080 have the same relative performance. You are paying like 400$ extra for dlss.
LMAO
>>102846555I had to swap out my fractal torrent compact for this reason.
>>102847720>Shit value, that's about itExplain
>>102847742try out /hpg/, there used to be a thread for studio monitors but it vanished, I think at a certain point /hpg/ was threaded as a merge between the two and I'm not sure if people stuck around but I think you'll have better odds there
>>102847749Are 7800X3D and 7900XTX builds worth it?
>>102847793The extra money you need to pay for the 4080/4090's performance gains isn't good value.The RTX 5080 and 5090 will be released early next year as well.
These will end up costing the same, should I get >phantom spirit and 2 noctua nh a12x25 to replace the fansOr>nh d15
>>102847921Phantom spirit and Arctic P12
>>102847749a quick look into benchmarks you get 30% more FPS on a 4080 super.I think it's more fair to compare 7900 GRE to the 4070 super.>VEEEEEEEEEEEEEE RAMMMMMMMMMM16gb isn't even that much, you might wake me up if you told me there was an AMD GPU with 32gb of vram for $500, maybe then I will be willing to suffer with all the limitations of AMD when it comes to AI.
>>102847946Too loud
>>102847921Im a fan of the scythe heat sinks. Worth looking into if you havent already
What am I in for?
>>102848118shit drivers lol
>>102847994How much VRAM is enough for the next 5 years?
>>102848118your fellow cultists will insist on proselytizing and common prayer sessions, you might get excommunicated otherwise
>>102848118No RT
>>102845839This, watching videos and reading benchmarks about how big this $$$$ will make bar graph go is free. Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous and MTV Cribs had the same appeal.
>>102848156Who cares? Futureproofing is incredibly dumb as it is, only focusing it on a specific parameter is just burning money as games get exponentially worse.
bosses cute daughter wants to switch from a notebook as her main machine to a desktopshe will using notebook when away to VPN and rdp in to that machineshe mostly does heavy office work, some video conferences, powerpoint stuff, maybe some photo editing or small amount of video editing.What would you go with?>i5-12600kidentical price as 12500 but no heatsink and I feel 12400 leaves too much clock off the table>8600Gsame price, much more igpu performance and seems cpu performance is same
>>102848156probably somewhere around 10 gigs. maybe a little more. the thing it practically limits is texture resolution and you can cram some pretty big textures into 10-12-16 gb or whatever.
INTEL WONTHANK YOU INTEL
>>102848156Performance > VRAM
>>102847793Assume we're going off the 1440p 12 game average FPS from techpowerup ( https://www.techspot.com/review/2797-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super/#Benchmarks )The cheapest (can't be bothered cherrypicking "good" models, cause that always just leads to whining regardless) pcpp US listing that existsthis base system https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3LdtmD (665$) with a potential 7800X3D upgrade at 420$ for the cpu (890$ PC)Feel free to pick the point at where you'd switch from 7600x to 7800x3d yourself.I feel fairly confident in saying a 4070 super won't need it and a 4080 super will though. (Might get away with a 7600x at 4k but hey)
>>102848156The most interesting thing for AI in the future is going to be when GPU's get fast enough to generate an AI video in real time.That's probably exclusively going to be for an private AI model, and it would run on $100k 2028 hardware (unreleased).The problem is that the AI video needs to somehow selectively forget memories, since it would run out of 80gb of vram in like 10 seconds.I think for gaming, vram doesn't matter, but that's because I care more about FPS than quality, if you ran 1080p, you will never care about vram. But if you did raytracing and 4K (running like 70fps on a 4090), vram matters much more. But it doesn't matter because GPU's are usually decently balanced, you couldn't run 4k or Raytracing above 70fps on a 4070, so it's not like you will hit the 12gb limit before your FPS gets too low from the high graphics settings.
>>102848355>But if you did raytracing and 4K (running like 70fps on a 4090),Why can't 4090 handle 4K?
>>102848369it can handle 4k + ultra Raytracing at 120fps easily with DLSS (and it might even look better). But native 4k is just punishing, but you need to run native to get the maximum VRAM usage.
>>102848355Personally I think the interesting thing that'll happen before that is when things get good enough that you can run a trillion-parameter natural-language AI on a laptop.
>>102848388Which is better, DLSS or native?
>>102848355So the MUH 12GB meme for 4070's and (likely) 5070's at their target res of 1440p is actually a meme (for gaming)?>t. hardware retard
>>102848118coping with drivers
>>102848415Depends on the game, sometimes it still looks like shit but in most modern dlss applications it looks quite swell.
>>102848355nigga you been fantasizing about an AI robot waifu for a long time now, haven't you?>your rambling fantasy shitpost smells like piss jugs and Cheetle-encrusted tendies
>>102848118https://www.google.com/search?q=7900+xtx+black+screen
>>102848433you will never regret buying more VRAM (or RAM) so buy whatever you can afford and enjoy it.>it's about the joy, right?
>>102848415At 4K DLSS Quality is better most of the time in my experience. It’s basically a native res game but with better anti aliasing. That’s partially the fault of TAA blur slop being so prevalent in releases these days but it’s still the case that the smear is built in at native and using DLSS fixes it while also running better.
>>102848433>>102848481Why does nvidia still create 8GB and 12GB gpus?
>>102848485because people buy them.>t.4070 Super here
>>102848476>it's a monitor issuenothingburger
>>102848415DLSS just upscales the resolution using fancy tricks, it could be faster (running at around 1440p quality or lower to get 2x fps increase over 4k), but it could be about the same speed if you increase quality (and then that's when DLSS looks better than native because raytracing/pathtracing is noisy or something and DLSS cleans it up? I don't know DLSS has changed completely like 3 times).>>102848433the 4070 is fine. the 4060 might struggle trying to run games that were never optimized to run on the 4060.12gb is enough for every game. But there might be some sort of game that uses a lot of vram at ultra settings and it ends up lagging harder than the 7900 GRE, but I doubt those settings would be running higher than 70fps, so if you lowered your settings (lower you vram usage), you would not care about vram, you would be more worried about the raw graphics performance.Like the 4060 is a legit good GPU if you want to live to low settings life. The 4070 only gets 50% more fps than the 4060, but the 4060 is almost half the price of a 4070.On top of that, for people who want games to run smoothly (it doesn't matter what GPU you use), you should learn to use a frame limiter. It will make your FPS smooth, and it will make your GPU run quiet, and colder which can help with making your hardware last longer. The only problem is that you might become artistic like me, and always has the MSI afterburner overlay enabled when limiting frames. Nvidia control panel has a limiter.
>>102848516What does the green screen mean?
>>102848532nvidia hacked your pc
>>102848526>4070 islast years news, the 4070 Super is the midrange card for the cognoscenti now
>>102848569I personally did not see big speed increases from 4070 vs super. No such thing as a bad GPU, only a bad price. I think for very specific games the $50 increase is barely justified, but most games don't see a difference (I bet the difference has more to do with different coolers).
>>102841210Kek'd why not just return it? Where I live returns are easy, except if they'll ban you even if you were screwed over by their terrible shipping quality. I'm talking about Amazon. Under threat of being banned all while putting electronics inside a thin bubble wrap envelope or a large box with almost no padding. The audacity of them to ban you, your address, and credit card. I know a way around it but it's such a hassle. Yet you try to RMA to the actual product maker and they go "MAKE SURE ITS WELL PADDED ANY DAMAGE MAKES IT UN-RMA-ABLE!!!!!!"For such obtuse behavior you'd expect them to make such demands of qualified sellers for the product.
>>102841274>t. one of those linux fags that spends hours on end calibrating his entire PC to save 1 penny on electricity costs (yearly bill)truly you know how to spend your time and woah look at that you're browsing and posting on a basket weaving site too!
>>102845762It's all worth waiting for considering it's only a few months away and will, at absolute worst, make everything currently out hundreds of dollars cheaper.
I have a 4070 super and besides not being able to switch to linux without losing half its fucking features, it's nice
Dumping 4 months worth of rent on a 4070Ti Super. Tell me I am retarded. kthx
>>102848778>4 months worth of rent>4070Ti SuperSilence, brown person.
>>102845763Absolutely nothing on the CPU if AMD, almost nothing on the GPU unless 4090
>>102848778>>102848855Forgot pic.But get's don't lie
>>102848688the 50 series don't have the silicon to justify a difference in performance or price.nvidia is giving up on gaming GPU's, they are giving the old 4nm chips to 40 series, but are keeping the 3nm chips for the AI GPU's (apple already released 3nm chips like a year ago).AMD is probably doing the same, gaming GPU's are not profitable.50 series is worth waiting for, but not for the 5070 TI, you should be buying the 5090, and we already know the price leaks.You pay for what you get.
>>102848778What country do you live in? Is rent cheap, or are computer prices over there just hyper inflated?
>>102848778you're retarded
>>1028489066k CZK for single room apartment in a commie block. TiS is 24k now.
>>102848942you'll need to make your own slivovitz until you can afford what you want, comrade.
>>102848903>AMD is probably doing the same, gaming GPU's are not profitable.Aren't they in game consoles?
>>102849092Console APUs are even lower margin businesses, they're mostly valued for being a good, relatively predictable cash flow generator.Also keeps TSMC happy for buying up older 6nm production capacities.
>>102847704you have to waste a lot of moneyymmv with the 12v connectorsit may not fit in your case
Can I daisy chain PWM and DC fans without any issue?
>>102849139Why is the 4090 considered a boring gpu?
>>102847704The poor optimization that requires great cooling same with CPU's. When are these companies going to do something about that? Why do I need a wind tunnel for my PC just so it doesn't get so hot anyways? AAAAAA JUST OPTIMIZE!!! They're too busy getting minuscule gains for a generational leap instead of actually making it good and stable and not getting far too high on the wattage!
>>102849304anon doesn't have a case with airflow ducting for that wind tunnel effect
>>102849184Because new hardware won't fill your void.
>>102849400You mean anon doesn't have a noise-deadened server room to put this case in, with the kind of fans you need to generate enough pressure to make it work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sKMzSClCkQ
Do you guys think it's possible to build something that can do Rocket League and CS2 at 240 fps at 1080p for under $800?
>>102849595the whispering whoosh of my dual 290W TDP CPU antique begs to differ>kek I can only wish the server room was a quiet place
>>102849653I meant noise-deadened as in isolated from the rest of the building, not as in quiet.
>>102848465nah I'm waiting for this to exist in 3Dhttps://madebyoll.in/posts/game_emulation_via_dnn/demo/AI video generators ATM spend like 30 seconds to generate 5 second videos (but higher quality models / high FPS are going to take longer to generate).
>>102849623Maybe with used parts, specifically used motherboard CPU & memory combo if you can find one.
Is the 4080s a bad buy for only 16GB?
>>102849623this >>102849718splurge the most you can on the gpu like a radeon 7700 or something like that, get a quality but cheap b550 board (there are tier lists) and a 5600 from aliexpress and you're set
>>102849623the "I want to FPSMAX" buildhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pz8ymDThe "I'm not retarded" buildhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/LtmRpBThe "I want the new stuff" buildhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/dPmRpBSecond is the most wellrounded, personally I'd look for another 30-50 bucks & get the third with a "better" case
>7900XTX1500 AUD>4080S2000 AUDBros?
>>102849993you should be toppling your dystopian mafia government, not playing games
>>102850066sir?
I need to buy 32tb of silicon hard drives for my NAS for those random reads. Samsung 8tb qvo good? Or something better?
What's the current speculation on the RX 8800XT price and performance compared to a 7900 XTX?I think I remember reading that it was looking like $700 MSRP(?), no real idea on performance or how concrete any rumors are versus just hearsay.
>>102850206899
>>102850323$899 estimated for the 8800XT?I'll just get the XTX then, thank you.
>>102850202used 15.36tb sas ssds
>>102850349Maximum $700, this is if it turns out to be really good.$600~650 is more realistic.
>unplugged pc from wall. Nothing connected to it.>5 minutes later. Press power button for fun>Debug led and ram led still light up for 10 seconds before shutting itself. faulty mainboard or this is normal behavior? It happen sometimes. I've discovered it recently when i was replacing fans.
>>102850206why does the 8800XT use gddr6?why not gddr6x or gddr7 like nvidia's 50's series?
>>102850495clear cmos
>>102850523what's wrong with it? I did flash firmware last weekcleared before flashing..
>>102850495Electronics are able to store electricity in their system even if you unplug them. It's why it's recommended to unplug the system, then wait, then turn on the power button to 'flush' the system.Fun fact, if you have a power outage there's enough power in an HDD to safely park the head so it doesn't damage your HDD. Really cool.
>>102850520Because AMD knows their GPUs are behind NVIDIA's and a better memory chip isn't going to salvage the situation.It's a good decision on AMD's part, they know the GDDR7s are wasted.
>>102850437Do we have any idea on when AMD may have more out about the specs or performance? I think I saw January at the latest.Just trying to decide on when I want to try ordering, I'm a bit limited on what will work with my case so just planning around availability.
>>102850495>>102850623This is a reason why PSU manufacturers advise customers to never open up the unit or touch the capacitors.
How big is the difference between 7600 and 7600X, really?
>>10284436610.24
>>102850670Minimal. 7600 are just chips that couldn't be up to spec. So they run them at a lower tdp and sell them. Actually performance is only 5 percent but I'd go with the 7600x if the price difference isn't alot. They're objectively superior chips.
>>1028506707600 is a 7600x in eco mode
>>102850495>normalyep
>>102850641Early next year, because NVIDIA's rumored to announce the 5070 and 5060 in Q1 '25.
New before this dies>>102851085>>102851085>>102851085