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>>102826625

ive only used handy downs and dumpster dived parts so i don't know all the models
US 1200 budget
>CPU
gamer: AMD A10-7850K Radeon R7, 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G
>COOLER
corsair watercooler no idea which one
>MOTHERBOARD
msi
BaseBoard Product A88X-G45 GAMING (MS-7900)
>RAM
32 gb ddr3
>SSD (OS drive)
500gb unknown
>GPU
NVIDIA GeForce GT 710
>CASE
big dont know the name
>PSU
750 wat
>MONITOR
Primary Display Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Desktop Resolution: 2960 x 1056
Primary Display Size: 18.66" x 11.65" (21.97" diag), 47.4cm x 29.6cm (55.8cm
>OS
windows 10
>CASE FANS

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>>102826636
>7850
>with an A88X
Who the fuck told you to do this?

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>>102826625

>i guess everyones fapping over the latest releases from Intel tonight

Is CL14 DDR4 worth the disproportionate price bump?

I bought a Zen+ system for dirt cheap (I intend to use it as a server) but it's really fucky with more than one RAM stick in. Is it worth it to hunt down a kit on the QVL or do I just find the largest capacity single stick and call it a day?

>>102829901
are you trying to run it with OC? just use JEDEC for server

>>102829263
if you have to ask, then no, it's very niche

>>102829965
No. A single stick works perfectly even with XMP on but multiple sticks, in any configuration, even at stock speeds cause boot problems, freezes, all that jazz. It's not a particular slot that's bad because a single stick works anywhere.

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>The jews want $761 for a Ultra 9 285K
Does that happen in your cunt?
intel is made here and they're jewing us with ridiculous prices

>>102830066
>admitting you're brown on the internet
Bold, I'll give you that

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>>102826625
Anons what's the name of these screws? Trying to buy more of them as I'm dealing with a ton of fractal design cases at the moment.

>>102829881
>i don't need 16GB of VRAM
>chooses a 4060Ti 16GB

>i'd like an atx board
>chooses an mATX board

retard

I'm stupid and I don't know anything about 12VHPWR, will I be able to power a 4070 Super off a Corsair RM750x without an adapter or would I need one? Aren't the adapters for it infamous for lighting on fire?

>>102830066
720 USD with VAT here.
>>102830236
Yes, yes, but you're not using a card that would probably take enough wattage to be a risk. make sure you plug the 12VHPWR in FULLY

>>102830205
Those look like anti vibration HDD screws.

>>102830236
I think you get an adapter in box

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Factorio expansion comes out next week monday

>>102830447
Based dev, my Phenom II can still game.

Should I go Core Ultra 7 or Ultra 9 if all I care about is a mostly silent PC and some videogames? More cores should mean more load = more heat, so less is more, right? And yes, Im aware Ryzen x3d is better for games, its just not my focus with this build. Which would be one more reason why 9 is overkill anyway.

>>102830522
>wants less heat
>is going intel
?

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Zen 5%
Core ultra -2%
this gen is shit

>>102830532
x3d has terrible idle temps and non-x3d 9000 series sucks. So I rather take the more modern Intel chipset boards and hope that Intel actually delivers what they promise with their focus on efficiency. If benchmarks truly suck I will probably go AMD after all.

>>102830571
idle temperature does not equal heat output

does the AMD 9000 series other advantages over the 7000 series even if they had the exact same price point? I am thinking of waiting for the 9600x3d but they are all kind of underwhelming. Currently on 5600x.Was hoping to keep my current power profile but it just doesn't look good.

>>102830571
god you're so retarded. being at 40c but using 8w at idle and then 75C and 65W vs 25C and 8W vs 75C and 125W. The more watts you have to cool, the more heat is dumped into your case and therefore the fans will work harder to exhaust the hotter air

>>102830630
compare the specs on amd.com
answer is not really

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only 2 screws on this thing makes it feel unstable. but I'm afraid of cranking it down too hard.

>>102830970
Even Noctua fans are like this, and they are the most autistic minmaxing, over-engineeering bunch in this business. I wouldnt really worry about it.

>>102830205
https://www.amazon.ca/uxcellLaptop-Computer-Shockproof-Phillips-Screws/dp/B071FPQLMQ

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do you think they will do something similar to this with RTX 5090?

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I have always hated RGB it is a purely cosmetic addition to PC building. and I swore that I will never have a single RGB light in my. Until now, RGB actaully has a single specific use.

If you have a full mesh case , having RGB gives you enough light to see if the fans are spinning

I love RGB now!

>>102831061
>not just running prime95 and listening out for your fans to spin up

>>102830571
>x3d has terrible idle temps
Who fucking chooses a CPU based on this shit? What in the actual fuck?

Fuck heatsinks.
>try screwing it down
>its not threading with the screw underneath it
>wtf
>stuck doing this for 5 hours
>eventually say fuck it and start pressing so hard out of frustration and eventually it seals
>mfw unga always wins

How much easier are liquid coolers to install? I'm thinking about getting on but mt budgets was way surpassed and settled for the peerless assassin 120 se for $35.

>>102831076
True but theres a benefit in being able to see if it spins during startup

WHy are all reasonably priced motherboard only having 4 SATA ports? Not sure if I gonna use more but I usually use 6 for all my builds. Is there any downside on using a PCIE or NVME SATA expansion card?

Poorfag here, 2700X and 1080, what do I upgrade first, CPU or GPU? 1080p only.

>>102831768
budget?

>>102831786
I'm pretty set on the 5700X3D and the 7900GRE, just not sure what to get first. In Europe so prices are high and real sales nonexistent.

>>102831845
get the 5700X3D from Ali
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007108289451.html

>>102831859
With tax, that's more expensive than local. I'm hoping for a price like that on Black Friday but I'll settle for any discount. CPU first, then?

>>102831768
that card still good for 1080p.

>>102831911
really? it's like £180 on amazon here and like 140 with tax

Why would anyone buy a new GPU right now when the next gen is just around the corner?

>>102831976
I'm guessing the UK import taxes aren't that high. Here I'd have to pay around 20 euros flat + 20% of product value to buy a CPU from China.

>>102832078
we have to pay 20% VAT but because the item is under £138 we don't pay any import tax, even if I had to pay another £20 on top it's still cheaper than amazon. really surprised it's more expensive than the store

>>102832092
Oh, in the EU the limit is 150 euros, not pounds, and for this particular CPU the difference matters. Fuck me, I guess.

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>>102831983
Still 3~4 months away from the actual product launch, availability is a different matter.
NVIDIA's store queue seemed pretty decent during the 4080 Super launch.
The FE's cooler still limits OC performance of a 350W limited card, I'd be underwhelmed if the RTX 5080 used the same FE cooler.

>>102832148
there is a listing at 146eur here
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005007442107865.html

>>102832182
>https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005007442107865.html
holy fuck i just changed it and it's over 200 EUR???

>>102830562
>can use his old shit for longer
>complains
based retard

>>102831768
the CPU will be harder to upgrade down the line, but in reality I doubt you need anything for 60fps target.

>>102832199
Cheapest I can find is 163E. With taxes that's around 215E, which is pretty much store price.

>>102832179
3-4 months is nothing unless that card generates money for you.

>>102832265
yikes feelsbadman. I'd say get the CPU first anyway

>>102831859
How much are you getting paid to shill AliExpress CPUs in every single /pcbg/ thread? The few quid saved on the purchase price isn't worth having no warranty, abysmal customer support, and no legal recourse if the seller decides to just scam you.

>>102832333
paypal and/or credit card chargebacks are awesome

>>102832179
When I went to best buy on launch day they had everything in stock though besides the 90s.

>>102832422
RTX 4080 probably was the most unpopular XX80 GeForce card NVIDIA ever released.
Super was too late for some/many people who were just willing to wait a full year.

>>102827227
It's just stuff I got for free and have slapped together

>>102829263
CL is a meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgb8N23tsfA

How long should memory training on AM5 take

>>102826625
>le shitty RTX3060 mobile 6GB
>Resident Evil 3 Remake
>graphics options
>waaaaaah you can't play at everything max look it's RED RAM USAGE YOU MONSTER
>ignore it like a Chad
>play the game
>smooth 1440p 60+ FPS everywhere
is GPU RAM a meme?

Looking at the steam GPU list makes me wonder, who actually buys new releases and how profitable are they? People are still rocking 1650s, 2060 and 1660s.
Who are the people buying newer gpus

>Buy a QD-OLED monitor
>Fonts look a bit weird, some fringing, expected because everyone says this is normal on OLEDs because of how Windows handles the different subpixel layouts
>2 weeks later
>Can't notice the smearing, it just looks normal
Is me eyes a little, let's say, fucked now? Seriously it's not annoying anymore. I'm actually concerned. I even have an IPS panel near me and it doesn't look much different. What's going on?

>>102833440
Not your eyes but your brain, it has the ability to adapt and filter unimportant sensory signal. You dont have autism thats all.

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Here's what happens when you try to run 4x 16GB (1R) DDR5 @ 6400MT/s on AM5 (7800X3D).
https://old.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1g462pk/ram_speed_capped_at_3600mhz_when_i_have_6400mhz/
That is with single-rank modules btw.

Can't believe some clowns come to /pcbg/ and argue against those who want to save them some headache ("BUT IT WORKED FINE W DDR2/3/4").
Use all 4 DIMMs if you're comfortable with manually tuning everything (voltages, FCLK, speed, timings, & all the associated stability tests) or you're just happy to run the sticks at 3600MT/s.
For everyone else, get a single set of 2x16/24/32/48GB DDR5 modules.

>>102833515
Oh ok
So wait is that tinnitus shit a sign of autism as well?

8GB Vega 56 for $80 CAD or an 8GB GTX 1070 for $100 CAD?

>>102833533
>Use all 4 DIMMs if you're comfortable with manually tuning everything (voltages, FCLK, speed, timings, & all the associated stability tests)
if you don't want to configure your system correctly (or your IQ is too low) you shouldn't buy a PC anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtMIppL9UC4
this is 4x48 dual rank modules btw, no problem if you know what you're doing

>>102833201
RE Engine games do a bad job depicting their VRAM settings. The texture quality you choose is just the cache that the game sets aside. So 1GB for textures reserves 1GB and 8GB reserves 8GB. It doesn’t mean the game will actually load or make use of 8GB worth of textures. It’s why setting it to 1GB can look identical to 8GB.

>>102832078
When I bought my cpu they lied about the value on the documentation
>>102832092
Bizarrely a few years ago it was the opposite. Under and it would be automatically added, over it was a manual declaration if caught at customs.

>>102832333
If you get scammed on aliexpress you are stupid, there is also recourse for faulty products and you are unlikely to need a cpu warranty unless you are buying 13/24th gen intel.

>>102833555
1070

>>102833639
>lied about the value
Sadly in my country every expensive imported thing requires you to personally go to the customs office with a receipt and bank statement, can't really cheat the system.

>>102833535
just nerve damage, don't worry it can only get worse

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>>102826636
>handy downs

>>102830066
>pissraeli
your kind are not welcome here btw

I'm planning on getting an RX6600, between the asrock challenger and the powercolor fighter, which one would you say is more well done? There is like a 5$ difference between the two so I could go with either one.

>>102834245
def wait for 50xx gpus and buy one of those instead

Can't wait to get me a 5090 so I can just shitpost, play old video games, and run photoshop.

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>>102833374

>>102834262
I doubt I am going to be able to get any of them for like 210$

>>102834296
what if you work a whole day at a minimum wage job and invest that into a gpu?

>>102833374
>tfw using an RX570

>>102834245
Both are fine, but neither will feel premium.
The Fighter lacks a backplate, not a big deal if you treat the card well.
My friend bought a 6600XT fighter towards the end of the pandemic shortages for about $300 and he's still happy with it.

>>102834306
the poorest hobo in america is still richer than middle class in other countries.

>>102834306
What if I just have better uses for my money? I really have no need for a more powerful card, it's that simple really. I'd rather spend the extra 100 on a cheap hooker.

>>102834558
kill yourself

>>102834558
Kill them hookers first.

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x86S-64 incoming:
https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1715/intel-and-amd-form-x86-ecosystem-advisory-group-to

>ask whether a card is good
>"yeah it's good, just spend 100$ more on their one instead since it's better"
>Decide to get that one, but ask for a second opinion first to be sure
>"it's decent, but if you are spending that much money on X, just spend more to get Y"
And repeat ad infinitum.
Just because you have the money to get the latest most expensive thing, it doesn't always make sense to do so.
You people really have no concept of something being good enough, don't you? Not sure if it's american education to blame or your incessant appetite for everything and anything concerning consumerism. But this is a very weird pattern concerning you people.

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>>102826625
This thread is spam. It was posted before the previous /pcbg/ >>102823475 was even half way to bump limit.

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>>102834687
>>102834695
lol

>>102834710
I decided to link the previous thread, since the spammer OP didn't (wonder why?)

>>102834660
>Nvidia missing
>But they invite Tim Epic Man
kek

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My 7800 xt comes in two days

>>102834746
were you tricked by 4chan pcbg OP into buying amd?

>>102834778
were you tricked by 4chan pcbg OP into buying a dramless SSD that crashes in windows?

>>102834778
zluda does everything nvidia card does.

>>102834792
except dlss and fg

>>102834806
dlss fg requires hags which causes stutter and broken games

>>102834806
Native Resolution is far superior to these gimmicks.

>>102834841
mentall illness

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>>102834841
Nvidia says DLSS is better than Native and you should pay the RTX tax

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>>102833555
AMD already dropped support for Vega

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>>102834841
This is what FSR users think

>>102833533
>>102833611
My thing is what's wrong with just accepting the slower speeds if you actually need the RAM?
The obsession with RAM speed is almost schizophrenic, not enough RAM is infinitely slower than slightly slower RAM

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>>102834681
>no concept of something being good enough
>you people

running a system from 2015. have been helping people survive technology for many moons. still enjoy coming here and seeing what all everyone is building these days.

there are lot more like me out there than you think, anon

>>102834883
Are they thinking about an alternate reality where the game has a great looking "native" AA solution that isn't more expensive than TAA and if it wasnt for nvidias blakcmail or something devs would implement that so you should buy amd for the theoretical what if scenario to spite nvidia at the cost of your own experience?

>>102834952
>>102826636
Assuming your PSU is good
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LdcgdH
Put the rest of the money towards a new monitor down the line

>>102835014
Yeah they're probably lost in their delusions, as you say

>>102826625
>High end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
Real high end is T30.

>>102834859
poor raytracing implementation, not a problem inherent to DLSS

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>>102834905
>obsession with RAM speed is almost schizophrenic

kek my DDR4 is downclocked automatically by my BIOS to 1866MT and IDGAF because the memory controller couldn't handle it all at full speed anyway

>total of 16 8GB DIMMS for 128GB of quad-channel goodness
>silky smooth for everything in Windows and Linux
>muh QPI
>later, ramlets

>>102835113
thats no RT. its same settings only difference is native vs dlss.

>built new PC
>Ryzen 5 7600 with integrated graphics
>No GPU yet as im waiting for a good deal
>Fresh Windows 10LTSC install
>Update windows fully
>Reboot
>Install CPU drivers FROM AMD WEBSITE
>Reboot
>AMD SOFTWARE RAN OUT OF TIME TO RUN THE DRIVER
>THE VERSION OF AMD SOFTWARE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH CURRENTLY INSTALLED AMD GRAPHICS
>Screen flickering between pitch black and normal between errors
Send help please.

>>102830066
>the shekel symbol looks like a pair of hands rubbing together
lmao

>>102835072
thanks

>>102835173
ddu and try again

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>>102835173
too late to return all that shit?

>>102835195
The fuck does ddu mea

>>102834376
he same here

>>102835173
>AMD drivers don't work
part and parcel

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>>102835195
DISPLAY DRIVER UNINSTALLER NIGGER

>>102835372
Thanks, haven't built a PC since my old i5 2500k lol I'm unaware of many things

>>102835173
>>102835433
>>102835326
>>102835234
Why are you using Windows 10? Dont complain shit is straight up broken when your WDDM is years out of date.

>>102835140
https://youtu.be/11VTtIwboe8?t=321

>>102835479
>Anon confuses RT for Screen Space Reflections
Even more reason why DLSS and RTX is a meme.

>>102835479
Loldumbass

>>102835452
True W10 is getting abandoned

>>102835173
The fuck are 'CPU drivers'?

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/9WqrJy

Does this look fine? Generally don't need anything too fancy but I do use my PC a lot and want to keep this one for up to a decade like my old one.

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>>102834778
No, I bought it because it was cheaper than a 4060ti 16gb.

>>102835545
Chipset and graphics drivers

>>102835582
if you want longevity def go for a x3d cpu, I guess theres some shortages with 7800x3d tho and 9800x3d is gonna cost a bit more

then a 4060ti is weak. 50xx gpus launch soonish and you may want to pick up something like 5070

>>102835372
was that necessary, anon?

>>102835606
>7800x3d
More than double the price would be kinda tight on the budget. What makes these 3D versions special?
Getting a 5070 right when it releases sounds like another nightmare for my wallet.

Does AMD have anything like Intel APO? Seems like something like that would be useful to manage loads between the fast cores and the cache cores on the two-CCD X3D CPUs?

>>102835683
x3D stands for triple derangement
imagine paying 14900k money for an 8-core CPU with crippled clocks

>>102835683
amd cpus benefit from having larger L3 cache in some games, ofc you get 2 more cores too so that gonna help as well
If you want to save money theres people selling their 40xx gpus in anticipation for the next gen and those are cheaper.

why the actual fuck are decent 4TB SSDs not going on sale for over a year at this point? I didn't expect Prime Day to give us shit, but literally just dropping the SN850X 4TB down from sky high prices to normal MSRP? Fuck the NAND cartel, your prices are insane and nobody wants to pay more than $300 for non-Optane drives.

Now that the dust has settled, why did AMD overhype/overprice/rush out Zen 5 despite it being such a nothingburger, and at a time when Intel was busy committing PR suicide?

>>102835713
Imagine buying 14900k
lmao.

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Day 558 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102835516
>abandoned

"deprecated" is the word, anon. E.g., "Windows 3.0 support has been deprecated"

>>102835753
What prices were you hoping for anon? $200 too much for you?

>>102835753
Big SSDs have large demand from everyone not just gamers

>>102835479
>>102835501
the video shows the exact same thing being complained about in the screenshot. It's RT.

Does the 7800x3d get hot enough that something like the NH D15 will be loud when paired with it? I really do not want to hear my system

>>102834558
>>102834245
Watch a few reviews on youtube and compare thermals and noise of both cards, then pick the one that performs better. My bet for Powercolor Fighter.

>>102836128
Zen 4 X3D goes to 95C regardless of fan speed or cooling solution.
You could cool it with a potato, or you could delid it and cool it with a water block, either way it will run at 95C and the boost clocks will be within 200Mhz of the nameplate boost.

>>102836179
So if I want it to be quiet I should just underclock/undervolt it?

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Am I still banned? Did anything interesting happen in my absence? And where is the anon with the
>X WON
>THANK YOU X

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>Be a leaf
>Have saved up over 400 dollars
>Cheapest shitty dual fan model of 7900 gre costs 778 dollars
>960 for the cheapest 7900 xt
>Meanwhile in burger land
>550 for a powercolor hellhound 7900 gre
I hate my shitty monopoly money

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finna cope frfr aaaa

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front usb-c is still so rare
I have simple ask
>no glass side panel
>matx or not too big atx
>usb-c
>under 100€
there should be dozens to pick from
all I get are few stumpy fractals that are hovering bit above 100€

>>102834905
If you're okay with not getting the speed you paid for, you do you.
Might as well bought naked JEDEC kits in the first place.

>>102834856
>>102834859
>>102834883
kill yourself
taa/fxaa/dlss/fsr/xess is a cancer for pc gayming

>>102836317
Okay use some more expensive AA and then DLSS has even greater performance advantage to it.

>>102836317
chronicles of riddick 2004 is still the cleanest looking pc game of all time. it also has ultrawide support while games in 2024 still lack this.

>>10283615
I am honestly suspecting the same based on what little I read. But the asrock challenger having a backplate (albeit small) and being a larger card just makes me think it logically should have better thermals.

>>102836285
Lian Li A3 or Asus Prime AP201.

>>102836324
>yes, please give me even worse ghosting, latency, artifacting, and now hallucinations using a black box only available for select titles
statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged to fix a non issue
the original usecase for dlss was to improve rt performance but now lazy asswipe studios are using it as an excuse to not optimize for 1080p raster

use forward rendering with SMAA/MSAA/SSAA like a normal developer you motherfuckers

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>>102836317
Only one Chad stands in the way of such evil.
https://youtu.be/lJu_DgCHfx4?si=GWqJbZIFM5bwmACV

>>102836413
Meant for
>>102836154

>>102836454
You know amd also has upscaler while being 2 gens behind on rt capability
wonder whats that about

>>102835582
>188€ mobo
I'd try to get at least a 4070 super (or gamble on 5070 being good, I wouldn't try this, I think it'll be underwhelming like all the base cards the last two three generations)
The super cards are quite a step above the others when it comes to value/$
that PSU is horrendously overkill for you

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/HyfVqR
20€ cheaper & will blow yours out of the water

>>102826625
build me the best am4 machien

>12400f cited as budget build

Bros i was for a long time considering going for a ryzen 5600 build(mostly because it mogs the i5 on cs2) but at the moment the prices converted are 115$ for i5 and 160$ for the r5, if this is still the case at black friday is the i5 the best option?
My issue is with moba, is the h610 a good choice to save money since there is no OC option?
Ty for any help

>>102836458
you do know hes just a youtuber with zero games released

now he can point out cases where some team did poor job optimizing a game but its not the same as releasing a game that does everything right

>>102836529
these days the best budget cpu is 5700x3d, its cheap on aliexpress

>>102836517
I don't think you should buy an AM4 machine unless you already have parts for it
spend the extra 150 or so to get AM5 instead so you're not stuck being forced to upgrade your entire pc in the future

>>102836502
>>102835582
oh also get the 7600 non X, the X is not worth 15€ more, just OC it yourself. The binning is not worth that much, it's just interesting in other places where it's like a 3-5$ difference

>>102831571
4 is the minimum mandated by AMD. You would have 2 or 0 if that wasn't the case. I would love that, minimal bloat

I'm looking at the Dell G2724D for a monitor. Is there anything within an extra $100 of that worth getting instead? I'm only looking for 1080p or 1440p

>>102830970
>>102830986
noctua is 2 screws but the mounting system on that arctic (same as thermaltake toughair) is fucking garbage and it lets the coldplate twist and turn as you screw it down, which doesn't happen with noctua secufirm

>>102836554
There is huge tariffs from aliexpress now unfortunately, 5700x3d its going basically at 2 times the price of 5600 so they are not in the same budget category

>>102836657
still, its under 200€ generally and 5600x used to be 330€ at launch
you're getting much more bang for ur buck and its still budget, just not ultra budget

>>102836546
Doesn't matter, he is absolutely right on TAA and its abortions (DLSS, FSR, etc) being cancer for image clarity.

>>102836413
Can't say for 6600, but among 7800xt and 7900gre partner cards the Hellhound is the best performing model, leaving other competitors far behind in terms of thermals and noise. Fighter physically looks similar, you might even mistake it with Hellhound if you don't see the "Fighter" label printed on it, which lets me assume that heatsinks and overall thermal engineering of Fighter also isn't that much different.
It's just my guess, you better look for actual tests in the internet.

>>102836683
DLSS looks fine tho
just because you dont own nvidia gpu doesnt change the fact people have just fine time playing with dlss and think "man this looks great"

>>102836568
a ryzen 5600 + b550 + 32gb of ddr4 are like 200~250 bucks total, you can't beat that for a min-max 4K build, or just a general budget 60fps target build.

>>102836257
No you just set the fans to whatever noise level you're comfortable with and let the CPU run at its thermal limit, a 7800X3D still produces less waste heat at 95C than an intel chip at 60C.

>>102836594
Maybe if a good 240Hz 1440p monitor is available at that price range, and you plan to use that refresh rate.
Beyond that, it's time to go OLED.

>>102836699
>just because you dont own nvidia gpu
I have a nvidia gpu, a low-end one but it can use DLSS, and is still shit.
TAA and its abortions have been a disaster for gamer's eyes.

>>102836778
well most people use dlss these days so taa doesnt really matter anymore

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>>102836546
Anon, not to be be rude but "muh credentials" is pure midwittery. He could be a hobo on crack and the information he provides would still be valid.
>>102836699
Nta but no, it doesn't. And no, I've never owned a AMD gpu in my life. This isn't about petty corpo dick sucking. It's a larger issue plaguing the industry with lazy game development.

>>102834905
>My thing is what's wrong with just accepting the slower speeds if you actually need the RAM?
because you can have both, if you know what you're doing
4 sticks is really the ideal because it gives you access to twice as many bank groups

>>102836730
I doubt I'd ever bother with anything above 144hz and I don't want OLED yet. Dell it is I guess.

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>>102836704
>you can't beat that for a min-max 4K build, or just a general budget 60fps target build.
You can with intel, but let's disregard that for now.
When that system eventually starts struggling, you'll now have to buy a new cpu, motherboard & ram and all your old parts will be effectively worthless.
In comparison, with an AM5 system, you replace the CPU, sell the old one for some decent money (since it'll still be relevant for budget systems, as people can simply upgrade the cpu later) and you've got an upgraded system.

It's a matter of what you prefer and I think buying the left is effectively throwing 200$ into a bonfire
If you absolutely HAVE to pinch pennies, just buy a cheaper equally futuredead build by going 12100f(60$ cheaper)/12400f(30$ cheaper) build instead, as it's cheaper with comparable performance (12100f a bit worse, 12400f a bit better)

>>102836686
I am probably going to go with powercolor then since it's slightly cheaper as well. As long as the lack of a backplate isn't a problem the thermals should be as good if not better.

>>102836895
The i5-12400f cooler is enough for light gayming right?
Also would you just choose a h610 for a cheap build, i asked above about it because of the no overclock option on the 12400f as i understand

>>102837018
apparently it is possible, it's called blck overclock and supposedly 12400f overclocks pretty damn well, being able to go above 5ghz
https://der8auer.com/intel-alder-lake-non-k-oc/

>>102837109
>>102837018
sadly it seems like the compatible motherboards are too expensive for it to be worth it (at least the ones I saw)

>>102826625
Just undervolted my 5800X3D (also installed a new motherboard and cleaned all rads and fans).
Everything runs faster and my temps haven't reached 55°C yet.
It feels so good Anons, why haven't I done this earlier.

>>102837177
Sadly even small undervolts aren't 100% stable. They're absolutely worth it overall but I still get a random lockup once a month or so.

>>102837218
There are CPU stress tests that automatically change the workload & thread usage to better gauge stability.
But these are paid features.

>>102837218
does this not depend on the particular CPU or GPU where some might be better than others at it (e.g., le "binning") same as for O/C capabilities?

Sorry for the noob question but have no xp with undervolting.

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>the avengers team up to beat thanos

>>102837329
gotta keep the monopoly going

>>102837329
ARM is never going to happen

What is the point of building a modern gaming pc if the cpu and the OS are backdoored and the software is bloated and toxic?

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>>102837218
>>102837273
So how can I test that under Linux? pic related, it's my machine.

>>102837329
JFC, JUST OPEN SOURCE + ROYALTY FREE x86 (NON CONTRIB, JUST TAKE) ALREADY AND WATCH ARM GET IT'S SHIT PUSHED IN BY A GORRILLION NEW MANUFACTURERS.
Nvidia was literally on knees, begging them for a license. Guess what, Nvidia is going all in into ARM now.
Dickheads, the very bunch.

>>102837329
IT'S AFRAID
RISC-V sisters, victory is close!

>>102837392
>What is the point of building a modern gaming pc if the cpu and the OS are backdoored and the software is bloated and toxic?
Can't do anything about the "modern" hardware, but just use Linux and if you're that paranoid, use some BSD.

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>>102826625
I am looking for a PSU of 750-850w
But above all i am looking for safety, most reviews are focused on how much voltage the PSUs can deliver and barely talk about the important stuff like
>The maxium temperature it can work with
>The OVP, UVP, OPP, OCP, SCP, OTP and BOP protections
I know most gold rated PSU have most, but is not something they even bother to write in their specs
What can you recommend me /pcbg/?

Speaking of gaymer bloat, which peripheral company has the least cancerous software?
I have a Steelseries mouse, and it's fine as a mouse, but I literally can't even turn off the RGB eyerape without installing some 800MB electron app that fails to even start without being allowed to connect to a remote server to do fuck knows what.

Anyone knows if GPU prices will eventually go down in Europe? I don't really want to pay 1000€ for a 4070 Ti Super lol. And AMD cards are the same price or sometimes even more expensive.

>>102837458
Just open it and cut the offending leds.

>>102837431
>Tier A - OTP should be tested (if not tested - detier to SP subtier), working and set below 200°C (if it's set higher - detier to LP subtier), required to be based on ZVS primary topology (LLC or phase shift resonant), have ripple below 50mV under all load situations up-to 110% overload, <=3% transient response on 12V rail, <=3% 12v voltage deviation from nominal. Fan with =>30k hours MTBF at 40°C (generally non-plain-sleeve bearing) or be fanless. All capacitors rated for 105°C. Minimum 18AWG gauge wires for hot 12V leads on GPU/EPS/ATX cables, on pig-tail cables - at least to the first connector, 20AWG to the second or for ground leads. ATX 3.0 subsection requires an Intel DB entry or third party power excustion tests.
>Gold - Best units in the tier, requirements (in addition to the requirements for tiers themselves) :
>for tier A : <=1.5% 12V peak to peak, <=2% transient response on 12V rail, <=3% deviation from nominal 5V rail, <=30mV max ripple on the 12v rail(s) including 110% load tests, transient response within ATX spec on 5V rail. One exclusion allowed for test data point outside of required range. Minimum 18AWG cable gauge for hot 12V leads. Includes requirements for blue color (quiet operation).
Includes requirements for blue color (quiet operation).

So just get a gold tier A from this list
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

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How do I get a case like this without paying the StarForge premium price.

>>102837492
You'll have to play the waiting game
Right now companies reached a physical limit to make their cards better, being forced to stack more and more components
So the price and energy requirements keeps raising, however this is not something most people are comfortable with
They will eventually crash or be forced to lower down their prices

>>102837562
Buy a case with glass site and front panels and buy the stickers?

>>102837559
Interesting, i'll take a look to this
Thanks a lot

>>102837402
>So how can I test that under Linux?
The one I use is OCCT, their Linux tool is under development.
Maybe you can set a custom test using y-Cruncher.

>>102837329
AMD is Captain America
Intel is Iron Man

>>102834883
TAA looks the best.
DLSS is full of oversharpening, which is the trick that makes it feel better, when it's actually inaccurate.
There's also places where it's making up details that are not there.
AI upscaling looks good at a quick glance, but then you notice it's inaccurate. Same logic of oversharpened stuff.

>>102836317
This.

>>102837562
find a local sign printing shop that will print your favorite /cat pictures/ on a vinyl wrap to fit your case

4070 Super for 650€ or 4070 Ti Super for 850€ if I inted to keep the card until 2030?

>>102837562
Acrylic or vinyl print.

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>>102834883
Shitty artifacts. Are really not any better AA solutions?
I don't remember dealing with this kind of shit in older games.

>>102837662
all this stuff is getting outdated with the new 5000 series cards.

>>102837681
New 5000 series will have comically high prices in Europe. PC gaming is about to become unaffordable there so might as well buy a 4070 Ti Super and enjoy your last vidya games before you get drafted to go die in some galician trench like it's 1918.

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>>102837634
>DLSS is full of oversharpening
No it isn't. Today is not opposite day

>>102837678
>3000% zoom on a webm of a youtube video
Whatever you think you're showing, you're not. You can only make macro comparisons, which show that DLSS is clearly the best of the three

>>102837492
>I don't really want to pay 1000€ for a 4070 Ti Super lol
So don't?
806 for one in germany
846 in france
847 in italy
829 in netherlands

>>102837681
Yes, the GeForce 2 was also outdated by the GeForce 3. Your point?

>>102837718
Why does Italy have the highest price if they are south america-tier poor?

>>102837740
read a book

>>102837730
Can an NV10 run Crysis at 1440?

>asking for a friend

>>102837714
>pic
Ok, now show us that pic with non-AI AA.

>No it isn't.
Yes it is.

>>102837740
italy is fucked for most prices

>>102837757
Sure, given enough time, even the ENIAC can.

>>102837763
You must be playing some really crappy games to obsess this much about AA.
The AA in Elden Ring is so bad, but most people overlook that aspect because they just want smash shit and move on.

>>102837740
Sky high taxes

>>102837793
>The AA in Elden Ring is so bad
What kind of AA does it use?
Not saying some games don't have terrible AA implementation. But overall I don't like the AI AA artifacts.

>>102834883
Show Skyrim modded. Native Resolution is best.

>>102837836
TAA

>>102837836
A disgustingly muddy TAA that doesn't even remove jaggies anyway

>>102833555
>8GB Vega 56 for $80 CAD or an 8GB GTX 1070 for $100 CAD?

Vega, it's the faster card and it clocks way better.
Undervolt the core slightly, increase power target, and overclock the snot out of the HBM and you basically get Vega 64 performance with lower power consumption.
On some Vega 56 you can also flash a 64 bios and increase the memory voltage by 0.1V adding additional headroom for HBM overclock.

>>102834865
>AMD already dropped support for Vega

Doesn't need support, the driver is mature and there haven't been any issues for years.
My old vega is in my 3rd PC, works fine and still runs modern games on 1080p.

>>102834883
Notice how there isn't any comparison with native or downsampling from twice the resolution.
All of these 3 examples look like hot shit.
In general these days people seem to give no shit about image quality, i play most games downsampled since it's the only way to get a crisp good quality image.
AI upsampling and TAA garbage can fuck right off.

>>102835788
>Now that the dust has settled, why did AMD overhype/overprice/rush out Zen 5

They didn't.

>despite it being such a nothingburger

It's a gigantic architecture overhall, the core is so much wider it now rivals your mom.
Software will just take years to catch up as always since software engineering is shit.

>>102837992
>>102838067
>there haven't been any issues for years
>he says
>while replying to a post with a screenshot of major rendering problem
AMDelusion knows no bounds

>Software will just take years
This is what they always say

>>102838111
How long have you been shilling for free in these threads btw? I see you every day

>>102837678
>Are really not any better AA solutions?

Downsampling is vastly superior, obviously.

The antec flux looks like really good value for money, is it?

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>>102838012
Starfield has forced TAA
So as close to 'native' as you can get is already presented

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>>102838111
>while replying to a post with a screenshot of major rendering problem
kek'd

>>102838155
Left still looks better, right looks like its smeared.

>>102838123
I've been keeping the AMDrones in check, on and off, for probably six years. Been posting in /pcbg/ for longer than that, even got shilled into AMD by /pcbg/ when I first found the general

>>102838175
>Left still looks better
IRL you probably get laughed out of most conversations you try to join

>>102838175
NTA, You're just seeing what you want to see.
You can clearly see the foilage shimmering on the left.
But that's "crisp good quality image" for you I guess. Kek.

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My case fans are really fucking retarded; they refuse to follow the fan curve I've assigned to them. Even when I set them to NOT spin at all until the cpu (core) reaches >60C, they spin at like 700 rpm when the cpu is at 40C. Meanwhile my cpu fans maintain 400 rpm at 40C. Both are set to CPU temp.

Wtf am I doing wrong?

>>102838213
>>102838199
Right is shimmering as well and it looks smeared. Left would look better if the dev didn't sabotage it.

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>>102838227
>Right is shimmering as well
Some people can't be saved.

>>102830205
Bro, you have the hands of an 80 year old.

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>>102838220
>doing wrong
posting on a sperglord infested /consoomption/ forum about a general problem without laying out the hardware specs and thereby making your leeching off of the post count quite worthless.

>>102838111
>>>102837992
>>>102838067
>>there haven't been any issues for years
>>he says
>>while replying to a post with a screenshot of major rendering problem
>AMDelusion knows no bounds

This is an obvious issue with this specific game, not with drivers.
Older driver rendering paths for old APIs like DirectX11 and OpenGL used to replace large parts of rendering code of the game to fix game developer mistakes and also contained a lot of secret sauce for performance gpu manufacturers wouldn't tell anyone, that's why you needed a driver update for every new game.

Nowadays with low level APIs, game devs have full access to the hardware and full control. The only responsability left for the gpu vendors is to implement these APIs properly in their driver.
If remedy is too retarded to roll their own engine, maybe they should just buy unreal instead.
It's 2024, the game came out 2023, Vulkan and DirectX12 existed for a decade, there is no excuse not using one of those and owning your rendering yourself.

1 random example of some game dev fucking up on AMD is irrelevant, you can find a similar example for an Nvidia card no problem.

>>102838155
>Bethesda slop

lol. lmao even.

I am going to buy a 285K...

>>102838287
>works on radeon cards that have driver support
>doesn't work on radeon cards that don't have driver support
Totally Remedy's fault

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huh?

>>102834791
you mean Windows 11, works fine in Windows 10 and Linux.

someone post the leaf trail picture.

>>102838526
repaste, reseat your cooler

Why do I feel like my 1060 has a soul after using it for so long and feel like I would be killing it by replacing it.

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>>102838903
kek'd

>anon doesn't have a huge pile of old /pc/ hardware like the rest of us

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I bought the MSI Shadow 4070Ti Super instead of the the Gigabyte 4070 Ti Super.

Little did I know that the Shadow is just a reskinned Ventus 3x and that card is 3% weaker than the Gigabyte and now I'm starting to have buyer's remorse.

That was a shady as fuck trick. I hope Newegg will accept a refund/exchange

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>>102830447
My V-Cache is ready.

>>102838151

my memory may be failing me, but iirc I saw in Gamer Nexus that it was the case which finally, after many years, beat the Fractal Torrent in cooling. So, it's top of the charts at that. It seems great.

>>102838969
>I bought the MSI Shadow 4070Ti Super instead of the the Gigabyte 4070 Ti Super.
MSI Shadow doesn't have the problematic prototype vBIOS installed, you're getting baseline performance.
The Gigabyte card you're probably comparing is the Gaming OC, it has a higher power limit.

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/264980/264980
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/267856/267856
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=Uploads&manufacturer=&model=RTX+4070+Ti+Super&version=&interface=&memType=GDDR6X&memSize=16384&since=

MSI is the more cautious AIB, even their Gaming X's vBIOS only has a 305W maximum power limit.
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/267047/267047

Need a good wifi card. Any recs?

>>102838987
Best thing since sandy bridge

in-place upgrade with new windows install, easiest way to copy profiles/settings/programs over? normally I'd build a new machine and have 2 machines side by side and do it manually but I'm just upgrading cpu+motherboard+ssd so I'd only have the one machine running

Looking to upgrade my RAM from 16 GB to 32 GB. I have 2x8 GB 3000 MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro. CPU is an AMD Ryzen 5 2600. There's a guy on marketplace selling the same model, same capacity but different frequency and timing (3200 MHz). I could also buy from Amazon but that would be a last resort since it would be costly to ship to my country. Is it a safe bet to pair the 3200 Mhz sticks with my existing one? Currently they all run in 2933 Mhz since the 2600 is rated for that speed. Thoughts?

>>102839103
Oh okay, looks like the difference between the boosts is a 0.6% difference. I think this helped relieve my remorse. Thanks anon.

>>102839361
your best bet is to get a complete new kit at 32gb and sell the 16gb kit

>>102839411
That's what I'm thinking but i checked with different stores (physically and online) for the same kit. None of them have it anymore. Can't i just run 4 sticks? I've done it before (on Intel).

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>>102839399
Learn how to overclock, and then undervolt the GPU using MSI Afterburner.
You can move the GPU core boost offset slider between +100~150MHz, and then cap the maximum voltage draw to about 950mV.
Sub 1V limit will set your card to run more power efficiently and cooler.

https://github.com/LunarPSD/NvidiaOverclocking/blob/main/Nvidia%20Overclocking.md
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPpW9yXHvOU

I was able to get an "Excellent" Time Spy rating on an OC'd & UV'd 3080 12GB Ventus with base power limits.

>>102839109
ASUS PCE-BE92BT (WiFi 7) if you have Raptor Lake
ASUS PCE-AXE59BT (WiFi 6E) otherwise

>>102839361
first gen ryzen memory controller is a pain in the ass and "same model number" doesn't mean anything, corsair doesn't produce the RAM chips themselves
just buy a new kit

>>102839361
Go for it, it'll be fine, they'll set to the lowest common frequency which should be 2933

>>102839503
Why do cards run better when undervolted?

>>102839457
you can but its jank

>>102839658
because they don't fry their gates when the GPU calls for "moar powa scotty" while it's cocaine binging on clock speed

>>102839658
It will boost at a constant clock rate and have more stable 1% lows from not hitting the power/thermal limits

>>102839624
even if all 4 slots are filled?

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>>102839658
Contrary to what some people think, GPU manufacturers don't set perfectly fine-tuned V/F tables for each chip they produce.
There's some voltage padding to deal with chip-by-chip performance variance and also to account for long-term stability.
Processors slowly degrade over time (glacial pace), so the manufacturers add a bit of extra voltage to account for that, but this doesn't explain the total added voltage.

Undervolting is trimming off that excess voltage, it helps your GPU run more power efficiently & cooler.
The lower operating temp allows the GPU's boosting algorithm to run at faster clock speeds.

The 3080 12GB Ventus I had would only run at 1845MHz at because it was inefficiently using over 1V at stock settings.
Undervolted, it can boost up to 1890MHz drawing only 0.875V, 1935MHz @ 0.9V.

>>102839869
yes

>>102839886
Your GPU would definitely clock stretch or crash in rendering with that kind of undervolt. Nvidia knows what they're doing because they have machines that can use the test circuits to see the schmoo plot of each GPU tested.

They aren't that common but there are GPUs that clock 100mhz higher than the average bin GPU like 4090s that do 2.85ghz ootb while typical ones stay at 2.70-2.76ghz

>>102826625
I just remembered, Battlemage is nowhere to be found. How sad.
>>102838268
They've been insanely wrinkly since I've been a kid desu. Deadlifting and other gym work hasn't helped.
>>102830264
>>102831020
Thanks Anons.

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>>102840038
>Your GPU would definitely clock stretch or crash in rendering with that kind of undervolt
There's an "effective clock speed" to measure clock stretching in HWInfo, and benchmark scores will reflect clock stretching hardware by those hardware rendering @ lower fps.

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>>102840038
>knows what they're doing
thank Quadro for that

SN770 or P3 Plus 2TB? Need 3 of them. Mainly using them for playing games on and one would be a dedicated VM drive.

>>102840038
>Nvidia knows what they're doing because they have machines that can use the test circuits to see the schmoo plot of each GPU tested.
NVIDIA's official "NVIDIA app" has an "AI Overclocking" app, it will raise the GPU offset above 150MHz if the individual chip is good enough, without voiding warranty btw.

Someone in these threads got their 4070 Super to tune @ 165MHz boost on that official app.
"Nvidia knows what they're doing". They don't tune individual chips that tightly, it would cost too much time and money.

>>102840134
Don't buy DRAM-less SSDs if you're using W11.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/ssds/as-microsoft-rolls-out-its-windows-11-24h2-update-owners-of-certain-western-digital-ssds-have-been-greeted-with-constant-blue-screens-of-death/

>>102840285
or maybe don't use W11

rate muh build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pGdJCd

>>102840134
>Someone in these threads got their 4070 Super to tune @ 165MHz boost on that official app.
+159MHz, very respectable as NVIDIA app's OC algorithm sets conservative offsets.
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/102623081/#102624688

>>102840327
Are you in the US?
MSI Gaming X Slim is a better model than the Ventus with a slightly higher boost clock & maximum power limit.
Gigabyte Eagle is an okay board if you don't mind not having a 2.5Gbps Ethernet connection.
You don't need a 1000W PSU and the 80+ Platinum rated Straight Power PSU's can be bought for $140 atm.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BBxVqR

>>102840285
I don't use W11. I use W10 LTSC IoT and Linux mostly.

>>102839503
Thanks for the tip anon. Will do this when my GPU arrives Thursday

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>>102826625
Newbie question. I want to upgrade my extremely old PC mainly because I wanted to get into simulation, but also doing programming, video editing, gaming, Ai stuff.

I've been told that AMD is only good for gaming (and specifically Linux, which I use on my laptop but not on my pc). Is it better for me to pay extra for NVIDIAs Semitic pricing or does AMD do the job too? I guess it depends on which specific series we are talking about.

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Best CPU cooler 55mm or shorter? Thermalright AXP90-X53 full copper or Noctua NH-L9a?

For a Fractal Terra build with this GPU (ASUS Tuf 4070 S).

Are the offbrand gpus (msi, gigabyte, asus) a meme or an actually good cost effective alternative?

>>102840480
They're the same any founders card but with different heatsinks and shrouds. Most come with some sort of custom overclock or something of that sort. Most of them have better cooling than whatever the founders edition cards are.

>>102840480
It depends on the specific models and how much extra you're paying for the ones with larger heatsinks and fans.
Like the Gigabyte 4060 Windforce is terrible that runs at maximum fan RPMs.

>order from 4 different retailers for optimal savings instead of ordering everything from amazon
>2 parts from amazon arrive two days later
>2 retailers only just shipped out today
>1 retailer still hasn't shipped it
fuck you canada computers, newegg and especially best buy for the no eta motherboard

>>102840535
please be patient saaar

>>102840535
Canada Computers and Memory Express is shit.
Best to just do an in-store pickup.

>>102840459
AMD cards are so heavily gimped for everything outside of gaming they often fail to match low tier NVIDIA cards like the 3050

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Is this good?
did I fuck somthing up?

>>102840459
zluda pretty much does anything you want from an nvidia card besides dlss.

>>102840604
I'm guessing you're not in the US because those storage drives are poor-value buys.
At least the P31's known to be very power efficient.

>>102840612
and besides having good performance, lmao

luv me 1080p
aint upgrading
simple as

>>102840545
It's my fault for ordering before a long weekend
>>102840549
I drilled down through the tracking pages and best buy says it hasn't been picked up yet but if you take the tracking number to the shipper it says it'll be here thursday
newegg says it'll be here sometime between this thursday and next thursday
canada computer hasn't even processed the order yet and when i go to the product page it says it's sold out. how much do you wanna bet they oversold and i'm waiting on a restock

>>102840621
what's the right thing to get? there's so much to learn just to build a pc
help
>I am at walking distance of the US

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>>102840604
spend the extra $25

>>102840660
I tought someone said it wasnt good? what is the difference other than the price

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>>102840535
>see small business owners seething about people only buying electronics off amazon
>go to small computer store
>"do you guys carry cpu heatsinks?"
>"no, sorry, we don't sell those anymore"
>"ok, no worries, do you guys have any m.2 drives, sata cables, fan grills etc.?"
"oh, no sorry, we have a keyboard and mouse combo if you're interested, haha"
>go to bigger local electronics retailer
>"do you guys have a network switch by chance"
>"a nintendo switch?"
>"right this way sir"
>fuck it
>go to the farther away nerd store
>ask the same questions
>they say they don't sell those in store, but could get them delivered in a couple of weeks
>all of their selection is outdated shit
I'm not being facetious when I say that in the time it took me to drive around my town to talk to some underpaid retail workers, I could have had those items on my porch with same day delivery from amazon.
It's dystopian, yes, but once you've tasted the forbidden fruit of convenience, there is no going back.

>>102840657
These are the newer NVMe drives
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGTp99/sk-hynix-platinum-p41-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-shpp41-2000gm-2
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/X8nypg/solidigm-p44-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfkkw020x7x1

Alternatives, but the above are fine.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/crKKHx/western-digital-black-sn850x-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t2x0e
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M8yH99/benchmarks/crucial-t500-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000t500ssd8
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sJPQzy/kingston-kc3000-2048-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-skc3000d2048g

4TB HDD
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jD3H99/seagate-barracuda-4tb-35-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-st4000dm004

>>102840686
the 4000d is shit. the 4000d airflow is a good budget case
https://youtu.be/IYsOmJ9X7Ow?t=1279

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>>102840691
>network switch
yeah, maybe stick to amazon and leave the grass untouched, or it might get corroded with your absolutely atrocious aura.

>>102840691
Nah, when you're dealing with computer parts it's better to do the research yourself and go to the brand's official store. Want TP Link switches? Go to their site. Want Cisco? Go to their site. Netgear? Same thing, go to their site.
You only have yourself to blame.

>>102840707
>https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jD3H99/seagate-barracuda-4tb-35-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-st4000dm004
I heard the barracudas were slow and shit?
>>102840738
but it has no optical drive hole

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>>102840980
>but it has no optical drive hole

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