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I wuv my 5700XT uwu
no better value at the $120 price point

>>102841108
mesh shader status?

how do you think 285k vs 9950x3d is going to stack up?

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I want to upgrade my motherboard integrated wifi card.
Will any laptop card off aliexpress work or do I have to search one specifically made for my motherboard?

>>102841138
its going to be lucky to be able to go toe to toe with the 9950X

>>102841122
Abandoned

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>have 3060ti
>hold out for months but finally upgrade to 4070ti-s because i need more ports for monitors
>take out old card, go to resell it
>realize it's a 3080 that had enough ports
This is it. It's the most retarded i've ever been
The only saving grace is the used value of the 3080 is more than half the cost of the 4070ti-s and the used market here is shit so I may be able to recoup a lot of the cost before the 50 series comes out. Plus I did need to upgrade to push triple 1440p165hz at any sort of quality

>>102841210
>had a 3080
>downgraded toa 4070ti super
lol
lmao

Who here optimize their fuckin watts

It costs me 4 cents per hour to play video games with my 6700xt + 5800x3d at 4k on a 65in TV with the GPU loaded 100%, both undervolted. I have 2 performance profiles depending what I am doing... Essentially I have a "me" profile with lower power usage and then a high power one for entertaining others. I'm trying to get it down to 3 cents.

Recently just discovered how much memory clock influences ryzen idle power draw on my 5800x3d.

>3770mhz DDR4 @ 1.38v
>1885mhz Fclk
>SoC voltage of 1.005v required
>18w idle

>3232mhz DDR4 @ 1.33v
>1616mhz Fclk
>SoC voltage of only 0.850v required
>12.5w idle

Right now my 5800x3d is idling at 31'c with my CPU fan at 450rpm (lowest it can go) with my 2 case fans at 600rpm and my PSU fan off. With a $20 120mm tower CPU cooler with ptm7950.

>>102841247
Not me. I'm renting. $1100/mo. 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, 2 floors, a small balcony and an underground garage spot. Electricity and hydro included. Fucking amazing that I don't have to worry about electricity bills so I just have my 6 computers on 24/7.
One consumes around 200w. The other 5 are around 150w. So around 950w.

>>102841210
I haev a 1070 and am happy

stop consooming. and pick up something more productive than gayming (gay=faggot)

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>>102841230
?? not knowing which gpu you have before upgrading is peak retard but the 4070tis outperforms the 3080 in every metric and it has 16gb. am i missing something?

>>102841210
Dafug
Shoulda gotten the 4080S then

>>102841247
what does your 6700xt pull at 100%

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>>102841247
i fukken' wish i could save some watts

>>102841230
I don't see how it's a downgrade but
>>102841274
I really did need the extra display ports, or at least I thought I did. I went from a 750ti to a 1050ti to a 3080 and now the 4070ti. This is the first time I didn't skip at least one generation
>>102841284
I looked at it but with a sale the 4070ti-s was the better value. Over the last 2 years 99% of my game time was spent in 1 game and after buying triples for it I optimized my rig around it

>>102841068
So are we getting pantherlake 18A for desktop too? Current rumor is that nova lake 14A in 2026 will replace arrowlake instead

>>102841294
It pulls about 175w fully loaded with my undervolting, tdp uncapped. I have it configured to run slightly faster than stock. During games 5800x3d averages about 25w (before memory clock reduction).

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>>102841418

>weeping at the thought of pulling close to 500 watts just so I can look at cat pictures
>thats not counting the RAM or the 4070s

>>102841328
Drop the contrarian act and get an efficient single socket Ryzen CPU like most normal people

>>102841396
2 more year shintel will destroy poozen. Trust the plan

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>>102841492
kek no, i need the money for hookers and booze

>my system laughs at me as it reads Considérations sur la théorie mathématique du jeu

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>>102841525
first you oxidize then you maximize

>>102841473
>dual xeon
>290W
a 100W 7900 would replace this.

>>102841582
I looked up the performance and it's as fast as a single 9700X

>>102841615
yes, you could replace it with a 9700X too

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>>102841582
yes but >>102841532 is literally the build, not gonna toss a perfectly good old workstation in the trash

>old shitbox mogs any budget build
>i got most of it free and upgraded to the 4070s
>love me long time for cheap

>>102841210
Well at least you didn't pay $750 for a 3060 Ti

>>102841633
yeah but games only use a handful of cores so you're killing gaming performance

is a vertical 21" monitor a good side monitor for a 32" main? i just want some extra real estate for when i'm working and the height of a vertical 21" is only a little longer than the height of a horizontal 32"

How do you guys (U.S.) sell your old PC parts? I'm extremely paranoid about getting robbed/scammed. Cash only? Meet outside a police station?

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>>102841640
not everyone is a /gaymer/, anon

>some of us lust after real computing power

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>>102841648
i upcycle them into working PCs, kit them out with a keyboard and mouse from the skip, and donate them to charity organizations as shrink-wrapped Linux Mint boxes.

>not that i don't worry about getting shanked at the local crack ho clothing store

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>>102841640
>killing gaming performance

>>102841659
also pic related, anon

>not bad for a vintage 2015 crapcan
>show us your Passmark score, anon

Will I get away with 64GB (4x16GB) 3200MT/s CL16 on Zen 3? I don't want to fuck around with manual RAM timings
>RAM timing schizos need not reply

>>102841807
should work fine. why not 2x32
t. RAM timing schizo

>>102841777
that's measuring multithread performance not single threaded.

>>102841817
>why not 2x32
Usually I would for AMD naturally - but QRD:
>cheaper for me to get lower speed CL16 SKUs in this config - I care more about the CAS latency
>allows me to split the DIMMs for current purposes and then consolidate into one system later on

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>>102841855
post your /passmark/ before you shitpost about my trashcan build, anon

what is the best gpu for 4k couch gaming?

>>102841888
4090 soon to be 5090

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>>102841777
>Ryzen 4650u thinkpad that I paid $217 for a year ago

>>102841888
4090 currently for DLSS performance at 4K. I have serious doubts that the 5090 core will be that much better, increased VRAM might help you though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the 4090 is still CPU bottlenecked anyway is it not?

Zen 5 X3D status?

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>>102841958
mogged by the brute force of my >>102841777 crapcan

>how is the thinkpad holding up to use? the last one I had in 2019 took a real beating and never gave me any trouble

>>102842015
overpriced

>>102841969
at 4k i doubt it and if it does it depends on the game

>>102841969
>increased VRAM might help you
You are literally retarded

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>>102842033
MFW i checked 'em

I want to upgrade my 3600 to a 5700X3D but I heard they run hot, will my Peerless Assassin get the most out of it?

>>102842165
>he bought a peerless assassin for a fucking 3600
i run phantom spirit with 7800X3D and it werks fine so i dont see why not

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>>102841885
okay, now post your single threaded cpu mark score.

>>102842223
I upgraded from a Phenom II that crashed at 48C so I had a very skewed perspective of what a good CPU temp is.

>>102842365
>>102842223
if you can afford it I see no problem just slapping "PA 120 YOLO" on your daily driver no matter what the part is

>>102838067
>Zen 5 too high IQ to have performance uplift
AMDrones are something else...

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>>102842347
have too many open cat pictures to turn off HT and reboot, anon but I recall this dropped 3d performance into the high 80th percentile and gained 2d a little bit

>have tuned this old bastard to run Windows as smooth as silk
>change le bios settings in Windows with old-skool HP Performance Advisor
>shitpost on mongolian sperglord board
>pic related?

>>102841108
basedo

>>102841210
Jesus fucking Christ, did you not open task manager once?

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>>102842486
no need to get upset, anon. here, have a book.

Should I wait for RTX 50 or buy a PC now?

What's the latest news on when it's dropping?

>>102842472
(AMD) CPUs don't die unless you kill them on purpose, they'll be there on the used market when I need to upgrade.

>>102842572
current leaks point to a rtx 5090 and 5080 reveal at CES next January and will probably be really fucking expensive

I could also recommend for right now the RX 7900XT on sale is looking really good

>>102842604
I don't like AMD cards because the last time I tried them it failed within 2 years. It just seems less quality than Nvidia

Also it lacks gamer features like ultra low latency and GSync and whatnot

Are the MSI Gaming X Slim cards okay? I figured a smaller cooler wouldn't work as well as the fat ass ones.

>>102834865
>FBI jacket censored
not a bug, just a test run of the reality editing technology, coming soon to your smart glasses next

>>102842631
if you can fit a bigger cooler it's always the best to do so.

How do you guys measure how much L3 cache a program is taking up on your X3D CPU?

>>102842619
>it failed within 2 years
that is not AMD's fault that would be the vendors (asus, gigabyte msi etc)
also gsync is just freesync which AMD has they are the same thing

and AMD also had Anti lag and Anti lag 2

>>102842619
You sound like a retarded prebuilt jit hahahahaha man this place is full of underaged cunts now that don't even hide it

>>102842665
For what purpose? CPU cache isn't really "taken up" since, unlike memory, it can't be frozen or allocated.

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>>102841777
hate to break it to you but this $80 6 core is faster than your 18 core behemoth

At about $10~15 more, is the 4070 Super's performance worth the trouble of having to deal with the 12VHPWR connector or whatever they call it over the standard 4070 and its tried and tested 8-pin PCI-E?

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>>102842731
is your $80 6-core hosting four NVME drives, six mechanical drives, 128GB of RAM and 1123 watts of PSU in a 50lb tool-free chassis with bespoke cooling solutions like my $0 workstation? Admittedly it was kind of pokey with the old Quadro M4000 it came with.

Post your full /build/, anon.

>think of the value of a less-than-disposable system

>>102842797
yes, do it. TDP is not that bad.

>>102842800
of course not, consumer hardware doesn't have any pcie lanes.
you should get a threadripper, your cpus are slow and inefficient.

>>102842675
No contribution to conversation

Just obsessing over indians

You sounds like the normie pol tourist to be honest

>>102842800
this is pretty trivial to do on am4/am5/lga1700

>>102842840
already been fixed and anti lag 2 is now officially supported in the game by valve

>>102842833
>>102842840
Fucking hahahahahahahaha you're obviously a underaged cunt that doesn't even hide it. Go suck your Mommy's milk jit.

>>102842840
Enjoy your 3.5gb

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>>102842826
>slow and inefficient
they are fukken' Haswell Xeons, OFC they are space heaters. i use the damn thing to dry my smelly otaku shoes. so what?

it was free and this thing will run well past W11 IoT EOL. i'm >>102841659 not a "budget" minded builder at all but I'm also thrifty. $600 for the 4070s makes this mog all the budget builders

>>102842826
not going to /consoom/ until the day it dies on me and by then I will have gotten another used workstation (mmm, the HP Z8s have been out for a while) from the skip at work and shitpost about that

>>102842836
not for $600 total and time spent it ain't

>once you have taken the workstation pill you can't ever go back, anons

>>102842675
well aren't you just the ray of self-entitled-bigoted-sunshine

>>102842914
can you two move your interracial cybersex to another chatroom kthxbye

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>>102841068
Why arent modern games friendly to 1440p
Will I be forever stuck at 1080p?

>>102843017
you're only stuck on 1080p because you're retarded

>>102843017
go write a game that /werks/ for you

>don't forget the teledildonics plug-in, k?

>>102843105
sounds like you hate freedom

>>102841648
I say I'm going to sell them, then just hoard everything I might one day need for projects that will never happen instead

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>>102843105
imo this doesn't go far enough.
it should be so you can pick if you're left or right handed and if you're an archer you should be able to remove a breast of your dominant hand which is historically accurate for female archers, return to tradition.

>>102842797
The performance increase from 4070 to 4070 super is almost as big as the difference between 4080 super and 4090 and that costs an additional 900 bucks
You'd genuinely be retarded to even consider the 4070.

>>102842484
>>102841122
Serious question.
What games use this?

>>102841642
Don't forget to consider the PPI.

I wish there were more 24 inch 1440p monitors. The only ones in the US are obscure chinese trash.

>>102843402
Alan Wake 2, trying to say "lol RDNA1 cant mesh shaders" is an own goal however because 10 series and older cannot either.

>>102843561
>10 series and older cannot either
Yeah, they almost make it sound like it's an AMD problem or something.

>>102843561
So the game won't run on RDNA 1 cards?

>>102843585
shills gonna shill I guess

>>102843596
it does, it just falls back to vertex shading

>>102843561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3PkRbeO8A

You are a clueless ignorant retard, GTX 1080 Ti and GTX 1080 runs it much faster than POODNA1

>>102843628
yes, its running on vertex shaders.

>>102841138
9950X3D is going to use 1/3rd the power and be faster, 285k will have some catastrophic issue and will self destruct again.

>2024
>seriously considering intel CPUs

lol. lmao even.

>>102842418
It's the truth, there will be a similar overhaul on intel's side with similarly no real performance uplift.
But it's the required move to gain performance with future iterations, the Zen architecture was updated 3x, the base design limitations have been reached.

Obviously you're mentally retarded, have never written any code in your life, and don't know shit about CPU architectures.

If you looked at simple synthetic benchmarks like anandtech does then you would see than Zen 5 is 40% faster in these simple workloads, more complex programs require a lot of work to be adapted to use that performance.

Has *NOTHING* to do with pro-amd pro-intel fanboyism. Now go kill yourself retard.

t. low level programmer

>>102841582
>>102841622
why would he do that though? He would have to run the 7900 at 100% for 5+ years straight 24/7 to make up the price of a new CPU that he "saves" with those 150W (not even talking about new MoBo, new ram etc)

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I'm gonna waterblock a 4080 Super and there is nothing you can do to stop me

>>102843893
watercooling is a meme
watercooling a gpu is an even bigger meme

>>102843746
he might as well be running the 4070 in a Skylake system for gaming, its farcical.

>>102843893
Be prepared to join the masses on eBay selling cards they broke trying setup a water block

>>102843922
I wouldn't consider it if GPUs weren't 3+ slots, literally can't buy a 2 slot high end GPU outside of China and even then they are loud af

>>102843985
because turning screws and fittings is such a hard endeavor?

>>102843893
oh no no no!

question
I bought a type C usb hub. When connect to PC , sometimes it prevent PC from booting (just stuck at bios, debug code 64)
remove hub and PC will boost fine.

What causes this? usb hub doesn't even have any device connect to it nor it's connected to the wall.

>>102843893
based

>>102844056
faulty usb port/faulty hub

>>102842593
>5070
>12gb
Am I being rused?

>>102844056
Have you checked the MBR in the BIOS?

I need a cheap pc for web browsing and studying. Basically shitpost here, watch 4k60 vids, open pdfs and run wolfram mathematica.
I was looking for a 5600g, is it good enough for this kind of usage?

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>>102844259
Yes and and dont forget a mobo with integrated graphic.

>>102844227
No..but it's always uefi

wheres the new intel chips?

I want to finally buy a new PC. ive been waiting since pre-covid

>good single core performance
>not insanely hot
What should I look for? I won't play games with this machine

3090Ti
9950X
3-4 SSDs and HDDs each
what kind of PSU should I run for this setup?
currently got 1000W running same setup but with a 10600k, do I need to upgrade?

>>102844400
>single core focus
>no games
What do you even need that for?

>>102844442
1000W is absolutely fine if it's a good model.

>>102844472
Autodesk Revit

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How can I fix cables?

>>102844555
If you have reasonable expectations and don't want to overspend a 9700X should be good (around 90W max), but I know Autodesk software favors Intel in ways some benchmarks can't account for, so maybe you could wait a bit and see how their new lineup turns out.

>>102841068
whats pic rel from?

>wasted money on fans again
Why am I like this

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What are the chances Arrow Lake is at least on the same level of efficiency compared to Ryzen 9000? Because they kept comparing efficiency and temps with Intel 14000 series, which was hilariously inefficient, so the bar wasnt really all that high.

I think I'm going to buy the MSI MPG 321URX

Should I?
Primarily gaming, youtube, and movie watching

Also probably a lot of 4chan browsing.

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>>102844870
Not great not terrible.

>>102844400
>>102844555
>Autodesk
you probably want an intel i9 non-K cpu then
or alternatively, an arrowlake cpu that's launching on 24 Oct

>>102844186
how do you check for faulty usb port? I connect a mouse to it and has no problem
the hub? probably. Got it recently

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>>102844870
Barrow Lake shill slide deck claims it to be more efficient than AMD.
But it also claims it's considerably faster than 9950X in MT which third party benchmarks don't really corroborate.

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>>102845162

>>102845170
>with power limit unlocked and 10000mt ram and

So, basically I got an (AMD)RX570 4GB. And it's becoming outdated.
Brought it 2 years ago for 100euro.

Don't get me wrong, it is more than enough to play most games at Medium/Low. But I want the pretty lights etc.

From Marketing I can see the FSR3(or something similar) only being available to the 6000 series.

My budget would be 150eur, I'm struggling, because there are really to many options, and these fuckers release the 6050 then the 6055 then the 6055GT. And not even sellers can keep up, so many cards even if older still retain price.


Please help. Regards.

>>102845316
see if you can pick up a used 6600XT

>>102845316
Look for a second hand 6650xt, it'll be your best shot by far. Cheapest I can find one over here is 170€
If you're lucky, you might find a cheap 7600 but I wouldn't count on it.
You might have to go for a 6600(XT) but then you're giving up like 10-20% performance for absolutely minimal price benefits

>>102845277
285k with 8200mt memory actually falls short of 9950x with tuned timings in geekbench.
It's a nothingburger, 18A better be a blowout.

AMD>Nvidia

>>102844951
help?

>>102845349
>>102845387
Thanks, like you said, 6650xt for 170... And the same goes for a 6600xt, at the same price.

No luck for 7600, as they go for 250+.

Out of curiosity, where are you guys searching? I'm just using eBay, and Facebook Marketplace.

Regards.

>>102844951
>>102845469
No, not at all, that monitor is Overkill if you don't plan on (extensive)gaming and watching 4k movies.

After you hit 120hz you get diminishing returns, why is 60hz? Because math and frequency of a second. 120 you can feel the speed, comparing 120 to 140(or even 240), not sure one can see(not feel) the difference
With that display you better be watching 10bit HDR10 4k movies, or play at with the highest graphics.

Do you even have the latest graphic card that supports this?

>>102845526
I have a 4080, that's enough right, I mostly just want it for the OLED-ey ness

>>102845526
I agree that 120 FPS is pretty much good enough (my laptop and phone both have 120 FPS screens and they look great). But on my PC I have a 144 Hz monitor, and I swear when the frame rate goes down from 144 to like 130 or so I can perceive the difference. I don't know if that's really true or if I'm imagining it or whatever, but it feels true to me.

>>102845540
My current monitors are also all 1080P
One's like a VA panel from 2012

>fractal pop XL is like 100€
this is like half the normal price for fractal cases
what's the catch?

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We are fucking cooked if people are really chomping at the bit for this piece of shit

>>102845560
nta, but what you're feeling is probably frame timing

>>102845571
nothing, they just wanted to claim some market share while Corsair was shitting the bed

>>102845575
No way such a large proportion of people are considering a 5090, that's crazy.

>>102845560
You probably don't have VRR turned on.

>>102845596
the 4090 was far more popular than nvidia expected

>>102845596
They'll pay $2999 too, nvidia loves its whales

>>102845571
It's just a basic design compared to their other ones. I have the mini and it's great, as long as the XL is the same but scaled up I don't see any catch.

>>102845499
sites that are specific to my country (2dehands/tweakers/marktplaats) & facebook
I don't bother with ebay, nobody legit lists actual second hand stuff there anymore

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>>102845596
The suspected wattage on them alone is insane. I'm looking at a high end upgrade for 1440p ultrawide. Looked at the 4080s a bit, but am waiting for the full 5000series specs to release. A lot of speculation was the 5080 was looking gimped. It's insane to me that the wii under full load used around 27 watts, but these gpus are getting to 600+.

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>>102844684
try theses.

>7800X3D went up in price AGAIN
waitsisters, they played us like a damn fiddle...

>>102845670
the “leaked wattage” is likely far higher than what it will happen, the 4090 was leaked at 600-800w and never got anywhere close to that

>>102845674
Aren't all X3D chips like meant to be limited run and in small production?

I don't see how they'd lower in price over time

>>102845674
I expect AMD to release a 7700X3D after the 9800X3D comes out because they're obviously holding back supply

>>102845703
No the X3D CCDs are being made constantly for enterprise customers

>>102844323
5070 Ti might be worth waiting for.

How much performance can I realistically squeeze out of OC’ing a modern setup if I go full water loop, direct die, GPU, RAM, VRM and PCH water blocks?

>>102845763
2%

>>102845670
600W TDP is the heat dissipation requirement.
In terms of the actual power draw, the 5080 probably will stay under 400W.
5090, I'm expecting between 450~520W.

>>102845575
>>102845596
they aren't considering it, they're just interesting
there's nothing interesting about the other cards
they won't be good value
they won't be good budget cards
they won't be good mid range cards
they won't add anything

At least the 5090 will be the new strongest GPU so it's interesting, just to see how strong it is

>>102845763
15% on the GPU instead of 7% on air

>>102845575
>no none of the above option
novideo poll

>>102845912
ESL?

>>102845763
Most of the gains will come from the direct die CPU cooling.
Air-cooled memory sticks & video cards can OC well without water cooling assuming your card has a good/thick heatsink.
I think even 5~7% gain is optimistic for a water-cooled OC'd video card to an air-cooled OC'd video card.
The cooler VRAM chips may help, but not by a lot (binning limit).

You need to go real stupid using chilled water to let the GPU Boost algorithm run at the maximum possible boost clocks at a given voltage.
You will be GPU bottlenecked at higher resolutions and visual settings anyway.

>>102845674
You got greedy. Zen 5 launch & review date should've been the latest time to pick up a 7800X3D.
>'But I was waiting for 9800X3D'
Then wait and buy that instead.
>'But I was waiting for 7800X3D holiday sales'
You got greedy, last year's discounts were good enough.

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I need help planning a VESA setup bros. Both monitors are 27'', but one is for work and the other for games, I want to always have one or the other facing me dead center with the ability to "rotate" or switch. Any configs like that? Imagine pic rel but with the ability to swap.

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Day 559 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102845931
newfag?

>>102845912
it's literally the third highest vote dumbass

Why does nobody test overclocks of AMD vs Nvidia?

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Anons, Im thinking of getting the NCase200. Wouldnt the GPu benefit from a vertical setup?
it pulls in air from the sides and air is blowing upwards from below.

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Too many variables like chip-to-chip power characteristics, including the memory chips.
The reviewer's OC experience isn't a representative sample.

Older games & benchmarks present more flattering OC results because they simply don't run the GPU hard enough.
There was a 165MHz GPU boost difference between the world's best Time Spy and Speed Way record on the same 4090 Matrix.

Then you have to ask how stable the reviewer's OC was.
There is a big difference between a single-run Speed Way stable OC to one that can run it for hours in fully heat-saturated scenarios.

>>102846302
No. If you have fans at the bottom then having the GPU horizontal is always better. The GPU fans needs to pull air from the outside, through the holes, which means it's not efficient.
While fans at the bottom do all the work and the GPU fans just push the cold air already in the case through the GPU.

>>102846375
I see thanks anon, that saves me from buying a vertical mount

>>102841068
POORFAG HERE
My venerable 1080ti has shat itself, now I am in need of a replacement.
My options are a 4070S or a 7900GRE in my shithole (price difference negligible)
4070TiS would be the obvious patrician's choice, but costs 50% more (shithole)

>1440p
>DONT care about memetracing
>STRICTLY a gaming rig
>DONT play many competitive games
>Remaining components will not bottleneck either
>PLEASE advise

Thanks anons, your insight is appreciated.

>>102846424
do you care about memescaling or memegen?
If not, no point buying Nvidia
Nvidia has three things going for it, memescaling, memetracing & memegen.

>>102846424
Then it's down to whether you value DLSS.
If you don't care, get the GRE. Pretty straightforward situation.

is the 50 series card gonna be a 30% increased performance or 4% like before?

>>102846424
4070s because fuck AYYMDEONS

>>102846462
the 5090 will

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>>102846424
Since you're retarded enough to unironically use the word meme tracing, the 7900gre is perfect for you anon. If of course you want to do the sensible thing, then purchase the 6800 or 6800xt. The GRE is a terrible card for its price.

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>>102846462
>30% increased performance
Unlikely except for the more costlier cards.
Every chip manufacturer needs to sandbag performance gains as much as it's accepted by buyers.
There's almost no reduction in cost per transistor for every new node.

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>current case data sheet says gpu clearance is 348mm
>front fans eat 20+mm
>all cards I'm looking at are 330+mm
Are there slim rgb 120mm case fans? I need to cope with those.

>>102846424
GRE you fucking retard. Always AMD. You are getting a 4080 for super super cheap.

>>102846462
5080 will be a more expensive 4080 super that performs marginally better
5070 will be between 4070 super & 4070 ti super
5060 will be a dumpster fire

>>102846555
>rgb
cope yourself in the grave, tranny
>muh card lengths
here you go
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zLNYcf/

>>102846593
4% performance gains! When we used to get 60%

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>>102846570
In what world exactly? Are we making specs up as we go now? This is without it shitting itself in RT BTW.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-gre.c4166

>>102846609
wow ur so sophisticated

>>102846632
His totally Time Spy single-run stable GRE outscored a reference 4080 Super.

>>102843402
Minecraft

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>>102846632
>No path tracing
>1080p
Just to hit the point home.

Does the GPU brand matter?

>MSI
>Gigabyte
>ASUS
>Sapphire
>PowerColor

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7900 XTX or 4080s?

>>102846755
to an extent yes if buying AMD always go for an AMD exclusive vendor such as XFX, Sapphire or power colour

>>102846815
use case?

>>102846689
desu for cyberpunk I only think RT reflections are worth it RT shadows are dumb

>>102846755
The card model matters more.
Gigabyte Windforce tends to run hot & loud, but their Gaming OC is okay.
MSI Ventus is pretty boring, it's literally a reference card. Gaming X and Suprim have a bit more OCing power headroom and improved cooling.
ASUS Dual is the better dual fan card in the market, TUF has a good build quality but some production batches use substandard thermal paste that rapidly deteriorates. Strix is overpriced, and should only be considered for the best chips (4090/5090).

Sapphire has consistently good build quality, and even their reference cards are solid.
PowerColor cards are good too, theirs seem to be discounted more often. Hellhound and Red Devil have very good cooling & noise performance.

Will I tell a difference between 144hz and 240hz?

>>102846829
games

>>102846905
Find a discounted 7900xtx then

>>102846898
yes but not as dramatic as 60 to 144

>>102846921
Fuck that was the reply I feared...

>>102846898
Not really, i like 144fps but realistically i just cap at 90 to 120fps. It's a 2.78ms difference in frame time between 144 and 240.
60fps to 144 is a 9.72ms frame time difference.

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>>102846632
>single game
I disregard anyone that just posts a single game benchmark because it's almost always cherrypicked
That being said, I don't know what that anon smoked since the 4080 is 15-20% better, but 4080 is dogshit value so that's kinda irrelevant
I'll give him the benefit of doubt & assume he meant 3090 or 4070ti (which is still a bit better, but close enough that you could make the comparison)
Getting close to a 4070ti's raster performance for 200$ less is what I have to assume what his point is cause I prefer to think I don't share this thread with literal retards

>>102846555
> Corsair iCUE AF120 RGB Slim
15mm deep, available in both white and black.

>>102841068
How do I know if a mobo has ''good power delivery''?

>>102841642
yes absolutely - pretty much any monitor as a side monitor for mu productivity can be great. I run a 24" 1080p in portrait mode on the side of my 32" 4K. aside from the fact they don't match it's great for working.

Mind that your side monitor should have good viewing angles from all sides. I have an old cheap TN display somewhere that I tried and it looked like shit in portrait.

>>102846998
Comparing hz numbers is kinda meaningless, because it's hard to interpret them. Change it to ms instead
60hz is 16.666... ms/frame
75hz is 13.333... ms/frame
100hz is 10 ms/frame
120hz is 8.333... ms/frame
144hz is 6.9444... ms/frame
240hz is 4.1666... ms/frame

so 60->75hz is a bigger difference than 144hz -> 240hz. So is 75hz->100hz. So is 100hz->144hz.

Basically, yes but with an asterisk

>>102847182
The number of power stages in the VRM and the rated capacity of the DrMOS/SPS.
Practically all consumer boards use a doubled/teamed VRM configuration.

>>102847201
And almost no monitor marketed as 240Hz can actually respond fast enough for that number to be meaningful.

Which one should i get ?
rtx 5060 4gb - perfect for 480p gaming with upscaling
rtx 5060 ti 6gb - perfect for 720p gaming with fg, vram generaion, dlss 5 (only for 50 ti series)
rtx 5060 ti super faggot 8gb - perfect for 720p native gaming

>>102847314
We get it, you're seething because a $300 card isn't specced to last 8 years or more.

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>>102847122
No cherrypicking anon. It was just random. I don't have that kind of time or stake to go hunt for best case scenarios. Also, I commend your optimism but... Well...

>>102847329
im seething because they are basically the same as past generation/worse at the same fucking price

>>102845526
>Overkill
no. a good monitor will be something you keep for many upgrade cycles. buy the best one you can afford so you don't feel like you need to toss it into the skip in a year.

>>102846424
If you're a poorfag, DLSS will provide the best longevity

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>>102847243

>>102847343
even random benchmarks are an issue, because sometimes some games have a VERY big difference in performance between amd & nvidia. I think I saw some compiled results list between two cards that were like 10% apart or whatever and one game got like 113% more avg fps in one game.
Oh yeah, here it is
Like this shit is absurd
>Also, I commend your optimism but... Well...
at worst he's merely pretending right...

What is the best PC case for air cooling

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honestly these passmark results for ARL are completely baffling
on the one hand you have regressions in basics like integer compute
on the other hand the physics score is amazing, which should just not be the case when going from a monolithic CPU to a tile-based one, given physics sim typically scales heavily with cache hitrate and/or memory latency (in fact the X3D chips punch way above their weight in this benchmark vs non-3D counterparts)
either the benchmark is full of shit or Intel put in some alien technology in the frontend and/or execution engine

>>102847419
not having one

Why don't cases came with 200mm fans and not 120mm?

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Reminder: unused ram is wasted ram.

Why do people say the 5700x3D is better for gaming than the 5800x3D?

>>102847470
tabmaxxer, I kneel

new MLID intel FUD just dropped

>>102847500
they are lying

>>102847500
because 5700x3d is 135$ & 5800x3d is 450$

Cant find my 2.5 to 3.5 adapter
Any cheap way to seat a ssd in a 3.5 bay?

>>102847500
>>102847524
>>102847526
Why do people say AMD is better for gaming than Intel?

Intel just works

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>>102847409
Fair enough. The difference looked about right so I didn't think too hard on it.
>>102847419
I like the lancool 216 anon.
>>102847500
Price to performance, I assume. The 5800X3D is alot more expensive while only producing single digit gains in most games.

>>102847142
>iCUE
Isn't that their gay proprietary control gadget?

>>102847527
Electrical tape.

>>102847468
They used to.
They don't anymore for a few reasons
>200mm fans where never standardized, what came with the case was the only fans that fit typically.
>large fans typically have terrible static pressure which does matter for case fans as they pull or push trough front panels or meshes
>120mm and 140mm fans got quiet enough

>>102847419
the one you like
performance differences will be minimal between the bigger towers
it only really matters for tiny builds

>>102847543
>Intel just works
it doesn't though, that's why people get amd
intel just doesn't work

how much of a shill do you have to be to unironically recommend someone a 7900 xt over a 4080s

>>102847650
Isn't the 7900XT being sold at under $700?
Completely different price pts.
Still wouldn't buy either card at this time.

>>102847650
>>102847690
What are the downsides of the 4090 and 4080s

>>102847650
a 650$ card & a 1000$ card are not meant to be competing, anon
As for who would take a 7900GRE/7900XT over a 4070super, rastermaxxers of course

>>102847704
>What are the downsides of the 4090 and 4080s
Shit value, that's about it
I'd much rather buy a 4070(ti)super

Looking for some speakers.
Fluance Ai41 ($350 CAD) or Kanto Yu4 ($480). I don't plan on getting a subwoofer.

GRE and a 4080 have the same relative performance. You are paying like 400$ extra for dlss.

LMAO

>>102846555
I had to swap out my fractal torrent compact for this reason.

>>102847720
>Shit value, that's about it

Explain

>>102847742
try out /hpg/, there used to be a thread for studio monitors but it vanished, I think at a certain point /hpg/ was threaded as a merge between the two and I'm not sure if people stuck around but I think you'll have better odds there

>>102847749
Are 7800X3D and 7900XTX builds worth it?

>>102847793
The extra money you need to pay for the 4080/4090's performance gains isn't good value.
The RTX 5080 and 5090 will be released early next year as well.

These will end up costing the same, should I get
>phantom spirit and 2 noctua nh a12x25 to replace the fans
Or
>nh d15

>>102847921
Phantom spirit and Arctic P12

>>102847749
a quick look into benchmarks you get 30% more FPS on a 4080 super.
I think it's more fair to compare 7900 GRE to the 4070 super.
>VEEEEEEEEEEEEEE RAMMMMMMMMMM
16gb isn't even that much, you might wake me up if you told me there was an AMD GPU with 32gb of vram for $500, maybe then I will be willing to suffer with all the limitations of AMD when it comes to AI.

>>102847946
Too loud

>>102847921
Im a fan of the scythe heat sinks. Worth looking into if you havent already

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What am I in for?

>>102848118
shit drivers lol

>>102847994
How much VRAM is enough for the next 5 years?

>>102848118
your fellow cultists will insist on proselytizing and common prayer sessions, you might get excommunicated otherwise

>>102848118
No RT

>>102845839
This, watching videos and reading benchmarks about how big this $$$$ will make bar graph go is free. Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous and MTV Cribs had the same appeal.

>>102848156
Who cares? Futureproofing is incredibly dumb as it is, only focusing it on a specific parameter is just burning money as games get exponentially worse.

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bosses cute daughter wants to switch from a notebook as her main machine to a desktop
she will using notebook when away to VPN and rdp in to that machine

she mostly does heavy office work, some video conferences, powerpoint stuff, maybe some photo editing or small amount of video editing.
What would you go with?

>i5-12600k
identical price as 12500 but no heatsink and I feel 12400 leaves too much clock off the table
>8600G
same price, much more igpu performance and seems cpu performance is same

>>102848156
probably somewhere around 10 gigs. maybe a little more. the thing it practically limits is texture resolution and you can cram some pretty big textures into 10-12-16 gb or whatever.

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INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

>>102848156
Performance > VRAM

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>>102847793
Assume we're going off the 1440p 12 game average FPS from techpowerup ( https://www.techspot.com/review/2797-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super/#Benchmarks )
The cheapest (can't be bothered cherrypicking "good" models, cause that always just leads to whining regardless) pcpp US listing that exists
this base system https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3LdtmD (665$) with a potential 7800X3D upgrade at 420$ for the cpu (890$ PC)

Feel free to pick the point at where you'd switch from 7600x to 7800x3d yourself.
I feel fairly confident in saying a 4070 super won't need it and a 4080 super will though. (Might get away with a 7600x at 4k but hey)

>>102848156
The most interesting thing for AI in the future is going to be when GPU's get fast enough to generate an AI video in real time.
That's probably exclusively going to be for an private AI model, and it would run on $100k 2028 hardware (unreleased).
The problem is that the AI video needs to somehow selectively forget memories, since it would run out of 80gb of vram in like 10 seconds.
I think for gaming, vram doesn't matter, but that's because I care more about FPS than quality, if you ran 1080p, you will never care about vram. But if you did raytracing and 4K (running like 70fps on a 4090), vram matters much more. But it doesn't matter because GPU's are usually decently balanced, you couldn't run 4k or Raytracing above 70fps on a 4070, so it's not like you will hit the 12gb limit before your FPS gets too low from the high graphics settings.

>>102848355
>But if you did raytracing and 4K (running like 70fps on a 4090),

Why can't 4090 handle 4K?

>>102848369
it can handle 4k + ultra Raytracing at 120fps easily with DLSS (and it might even look better).
But native 4k is just punishing, but you need to run native to get the maximum VRAM usage.

>>102848355
Personally I think the interesting thing that'll happen before that is when things get good enough that you can run a trillion-parameter natural-language AI on a laptop.

>>102848388
Which is better, DLSS or native?

>>102848355
So the MUH 12GB meme for 4070's and (likely) 5070's at their target res of 1440p is actually a meme (for gaming)?
>t. hardware retard

>>102848118
coping with drivers

>>102848415
Depends on the game, sometimes it still looks like shit but in most modern dlss applications it looks quite swell.

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>>102848355
nigga you been fantasizing about an AI robot waifu for a long time now, haven't you?

>your rambling fantasy shitpost smells like piss jugs and Cheetle-encrusted tendies

>>102848118
https://www.google.com/search?q=7900+xtx+black+screen

>>102848433
you will never regret buying more VRAM (or RAM) so buy whatever you can afford and enjoy it.

>it's about the joy, right?

>>102848415
At 4K DLSS Quality is better most of the time in my experience. It’s basically a native res game but with better anti aliasing. That’s partially the fault of TAA blur slop being so prevalent in releases these days but it’s still the case that the smear is built in at native and using DLSS fixes it while also running better.

>>102848433
>>102848481
Why does nvidia still create 8GB and 12GB gpus?

>>102848485
because people buy them.

>t.4070 Super here

>>102848476
>it's a monitor issue
nothingburger

>>102848415
DLSS just upscales the resolution using fancy tricks, it could be faster (running at around 1440p quality or lower to get 2x fps increase over 4k), but it could be about the same speed if you increase quality (and then that's when DLSS looks better than native because raytracing/pathtracing is noisy or something and DLSS cleans it up? I don't know DLSS has changed completely like 3 times).
>>102848433
the 4070 is fine. the 4060 might struggle trying to run games that were never optimized to run on the 4060.
12gb is enough for every game. But there might be some sort of game that uses a lot of vram at ultra settings and it ends up lagging harder than the 7900 GRE, but I doubt those settings would be running higher than 70fps, so if you lowered your settings (lower you vram usage), you would not care about vram, you would be more worried about the raw graphics performance.
Like the 4060 is a legit good GPU if you want to live to low settings life. The 4070 only gets 50% more fps than the 4060, but the 4060 is almost half the price of a 4070.
On top of that, for people who want games to run smoothly (it doesn't matter what GPU you use), you should learn to use a frame limiter. It will make your FPS smooth, and it will make your GPU run quiet, and colder which can help with making your hardware last longer. The only problem is that you might become artistic like me, and always has the MSI afterburner overlay enabled when limiting frames. Nvidia control panel has a limiter.

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>>102848516
What does the green screen mean?

>>102848532
nvidia hacked your pc

>>102848526
>4070 is
last years news, the 4070 Super is the midrange card for the cognoscenti now

>>102848569
I personally did not see big speed increases from 4070 vs super. No such thing as a bad GPU, only a bad price. I think for very specific games the $50 increase is barely justified, but most games don't see a difference (I bet the difference has more to do with different coolers).

>>102841210
Kek'd why not just return it? Where I live returns are easy, except if they'll ban you even if you were screwed over by their terrible shipping quality. I'm talking about Amazon. Under threat of being banned all while putting electronics inside a thin bubble wrap envelope or a large box with almost no padding. The audacity of them to ban you, your address, and credit card. I know a way around it but it's such a hassle. Yet you try to RMA to the actual product maker and they go "MAKE SURE ITS WELL PADDED ANY DAMAGE MAKES IT UN-RMA-ABLE!!!!!!"

For such obtuse behavior you'd expect them to make such demands of qualified sellers for the product.

>>102841274
>t. one of those linux fags that spends hours on end calibrating his entire PC to save 1 penny on electricity costs (yearly bill)
truly you know how to spend your time and woah look at that you're browsing and posting on a basket weaving site too!

>>102845762
It's all worth waiting for considering it's only a few months away and will, at absolute worst, make everything currently out hundreds of dollars cheaper.

I have a 4070 super and besides not being able to switch to linux without losing half its fucking features, it's nice

Dumping 4 months worth of rent on a 4070Ti Super. Tell me I am retarded. kthx

>>102848778
>4 months worth of rent
>4070Ti Super
Silence, brown person.

>>102845763
Absolutely nothing on the CPU if AMD, almost nothing on the GPU unless 4090

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>>102848778
>>102848855
Forgot pic.
But get's don't lie

>>102848688
the 50 series don't have the silicon to justify a difference in performance or price.
nvidia is giving up on gaming GPU's, they are giving the old 4nm chips to 40 series, but are keeping the 3nm chips for the AI GPU's (apple already released 3nm chips like a year ago).
AMD is probably doing the same, gaming GPU's are not profitable.
50 series is worth waiting for, but not for the 5070 TI, you should be buying the 5090, and we already know the price leaks.
You pay for what you get.

>>102848778
What country do you live in? Is rent cheap, or are computer prices over there just hyper inflated?

>>102848778
you're retarded

>>102848906
6k CZK for single room apartment in a commie block. TiS is 24k now.

>>102848942
you'll need to make your own slivovitz until you can afford what you want, comrade.

>>102848903
>AMD is probably doing the same, gaming GPU's are not profitable.

Aren't they in game consoles?

>>102849092
Console APUs are even lower margin businesses, they're mostly valued for being a good, relatively predictable cash flow generator.
Also keeps TSMC happy for buying up older 6nm production capacities.

>>102847704
you have to waste a lot of money
ymmv with the 12v connectors
it may not fit in your case

Can I daisy chain PWM and DC fans without any issue?

>>102849139
Why is the 4090 considered a boring gpu?

>>102847704
The poor optimization that requires great cooling same with CPU's. When are these companies going to do something about that? Why do I need a wind tunnel for my PC just so it doesn't get so hot anyways? AAAAAA JUST OPTIMIZE!!! They're too busy getting minuscule gains for a generational leap instead of actually making it good and stable and not getting far too high on the wattage!

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>>102849304
anon doesn't have a case with airflow ducting for that wind tunnel effect

>>102849184
Because new hardware won't fill your void.

>>102849400
You mean anon doesn't have a noise-deadened server room to put this case in, with the kind of fans you need to generate enough pressure to make it work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sKMzSClCkQ

Do you guys think it's possible to build something that can do Rocket League and CS2 at 240 fps at 1080p for under $800?

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>>102849595
the whispering whoosh of my dual 290W TDP CPU antique begs to differ

>kek I can only wish the server room was a quiet place

>>102849653
I meant noise-deadened as in isolated from the rest of the building, not as in quiet.

>>102848465
nah I'm waiting for this to exist in 3D
https://madebyoll.in/posts/game_emulation_via_dnn/demo/
AI video generators ATM spend like 30 seconds to generate 5 second videos (but higher quality models / high FPS are going to take longer to generate).

>>102849623
Maybe with used parts, specifically used motherboard CPU & memory combo if you can find one.

Is the 4080s a bad buy for only 16GB?

>>102849623
this >>102849718
splurge the most you can on the gpu like a radeon 7700 or something like that, get a quality but cheap b550 board (there are tier lists) and a 5600 from aliexpress and you're set

>>102849623
the "I want to FPSMAX" build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pz8ymD
The "I'm not retarded" build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LtmRpB
The "I want the new stuff" build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dPmRpB

Second is the most wellrounded, personally I'd look for another 30-50 bucks & get the third with a "better" case

>7900XTX
1500 AUD

>4080S
2000 AUD

Bros?

>>102849993
you should be toppling your dystopian mafia government, not playing games

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>>102850066
sir?

I need to buy 32tb of silicon hard drives for my NAS for those random reads. Samsung 8tb qvo good? Or something better?

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What's the current speculation on the RX 8800XT price and performance compared to a 7900 XTX?
I think I remember reading that it was looking like $700 MSRP(?), no real idea on performance or how concrete any rumors are versus just hearsay.

>>102850206
899

>>102850323
$899 estimated for the 8800XT?
I'll just get the XTX then, thank you.

>>102850202
used 15.36tb sas ssds

>>102850349
Maximum $700, this is if it turns out to be really good.
$600~650 is more realistic.