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>>102908266
>I'm ready to settle down!

what is it about furmark that makes it so intensive, moreso than other benchmarking software, and why do people recommend against using it?

>>102908183
good video.

Does anybody know of a PCIe SATA controller that can provide power to attached drives and has driver level software to cut that power? I want spinning rust drives for backup and long term storage but current power saving methods wake drives up randomly for no reason.

>>102908266
For an AI rig, is it worth the expense to get DDR5 faster than 6400Mhz? limited to 2 sticks

>>102908491
Furmark is just a power hog that stresses your VRMs so you end up power capped with low clocks, the complete opposite to gaymen

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Anyone with a miniLED VA that has local dimming for SDR? How is it? Do they really lag in kicking in the dimming? I really want high contrast but OLEDs seem like a waste right now, 10k hours for $1k shekels is too expensive.
AOC Gaming Q27G3XMN looking at this thing right now.

>>102908491
furmark places a maximum non scientific, as in, non custom mathematical kernel load on the processor and brainless nocoders have been saying for years that it sucks because it works, and reveals that nvidia primarily ships garbage GPUs which are unstable under maximum load yet stable under graphical load. so unstable bitcoin mining and doing ai or scientific loads but stable in skyrim
that's it, its a very useful tool and overclockers who buy reference budget designs find out that their garbage is garbage by using it get mad because they want to overclock their barely functional at 2.1ghz GPU to 2.2ghz and find out that it won't. its also helpful in finding out if the card is in a suitable ambient environment or that the heatsink, thermal interface, and so on are capable of keeping temperatures low and thermal throttling away. the only thing it doesn't do is put a kernel load down, which we may see soon and that hopefully standardized interfaces between custom loaded mathematical and memory managing kernels because of ai make that happen soon. as it is right now they were a mess and that's majorly why software hasn't come out that would do that as a stress test, not that overclockers would enjoy knowing that their garbage is already shit from the factory design, but what can you do.

>>102908662
>>102908491
plus it's worthless if you have VRAM fault, it's a meh outdated benchmark, it worked back in the day, now you can simply run path tracing and enjoy your GPU going nuclear on all aspects.

>>102908668
I use Furmark simply to see if a card is broken or not before I bother repasting and then running superposition.

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>>102908663
>I really want high contrast but OLEDs seem like a waste right now, 10k hours for $1k shekels
It ain't that much. They start at only $430 right now on flash sale (normally $530):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8KzXsY/innocn-27a1s-270-2560-x-1440-250-hz-monitor-27a1s
And $800 for a 4K model:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4HkH99/msi-mag-321up-qd-oled-315-3840-x-2160-165-hz-monitor-mag-321up-qd-oled
As long as you run let the panel run it's automatic compensation cycles it should be good for 3-4 years, and if you reserve it for content consumption (video, comics, and games) and keep your current display as a secondary monitor for web browsing/productivity it should last 7-10 years easy. Why bother spending good money on half-measure/side-grade displays?

>>102908491
Furmark is dangerous to run on some GPUs that are prone to blowing up which is entirely on board makers and Nvidia shipping bad vrms on high powered GPUs

>>102908778
>AMD shipping bad cores but generslly decent boards
>NVIDIA shipping good cores but terrible quality boards
I hate this.

how do you oled owners put up with the panels auto-dimming when theres too much whitespace shown?
i tried using my friends c1 for a weekend and it was annoying as hell. he said you get used to it but i doubt ill ever stop noticing it dimming my entire screen just because i opened a new tab
apparently its even worse by default because he bought some service remote that disables some other shit that auto-dims even more often?
it does look good for movies where that brightness quirk isnt such a big deal, ill give it that

>>102909237
>i tried using my friends c1 for a weekend and it was annoying as hell. he said you get used to it but i doubt ill ever stop noticing it dimming my entire screen just because i opened a new tab
Auto-dimming was a problem specific to using OLED TVs as monitors and first-gen OLED monitors. Now modern OLED monitors come with a True Black 400 mode alongside a 1000nit peak mode that doesn't get eye-searing bright, but doesn't dim regardless of white window size either.

Are the high quality capacitors they put on expensive motherboards a meme? I had one top of the line board die right out of warranty and some $70 one lasted 15 years.

>>102909284
the c1 isnt even 3 years old. what is considered a modern oled then? the last few months?

>>102909298
bathtub curve

>>102908774
not all countries created equal, cheapest OLED here is $900 and miniLED is about $280
I can buy it, sure, but I would feel terrible doing it constantly checking for burn in trying to baby it and so on.

the C0 stepping will save us AMDsisters

>>102909339
Well if the low part of the curve is 15 years for cheap capacitors why do I need the long lasting ones?

What ever happened with microled anyway

>gpu backplate is ugly and doesn't have anything useful like thermal pads
should i just take this shit off

>>102909367
you just got onepercented, bad luck

>>102909386
sure

>>102909386
Paint it

>>102909375
struggling to miniaturize the tech. pretty sure most manufacturers have abandoned or at least heavily pulled back any r&d on the tech

>>102909386
no.

>>102909375
impossible to mass produce

>>102909397
>or at least heavily pulled back any r&d on the tech
I think OLEDs will get there, double stack from LG already looks promising and there is material research saying they can be long lasting

>>102909388
Yeah, but why do the shitty ones last a long time?

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>>102908636
no one regrets having the fastest RAM they can buy that /werks/, anon

>i'm jelly

>>102909343
>not all countries created equal, cheapest OLED here is $900 and miniLED is about $280
Yuck, sorry bro.

>>102909401
>no
why not
there's no TIM on it like a pad or something so it seems useless

>>102909429
it prevents your card from bending earlier than it should, even if it's plastic, also a dust cover

My current motherboard says it supports up to 5200mhz ram speed and up to 6000mhz overclocked ram speed.
What does it mean? Do I need to buy 5200mhz ram and then overclock it or do I just buy 6000mhz?

>>102909367
>low iq child
would you try to oc a $70 mobo

>>102909407
im sure it will get better longevity as time goes on but the fact remains that accelerated degradation is just inherent to oled due to that pesky first letter

>>102909446
you buy memory listed on the mobo qvl

>>102909410
million factorrs, you also see a lot of people complaining how their $70 boards stopped working for random reasons and they go through several of them before it sticks

>>102909465
if price drops down low enough, who cares
the only factor holding OLED off from becoming mainstream is the price, if it was $300 without any sales I'd get one every two years without worry
Samsung and LG sitting on an infinite gold mine if they can lower the price enough.

>>102909484
i care

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9CwRpB

Looking to get 240fps in esports games like Rocket League and CS2 and as high of fps I can get in WoW raiding. I'm still using 1080p so I feel like this is kind of overkill with the 4070S? What do you guys think? Should I wait for the 5000 series cards to come out and the prices to go down?

>>102909463
>would you try to oc a
i dunno about that anon but i certainly would

>>102909499
Looks solid. Ideally you'd want a bit more CPU but the 7800X3D is scalped right now and Intels are either degrading or nerfed. One minor change I'd make would be to get 6000-30-36-36 RAM. Has a few advantages that I'll go into if you like. Also your PSU is good but slightly suboptimal - $90 should get you a strong 750W unit.

>>102909576
What ram would you recommend?

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/havn-hs-420-vgpu/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7aRWcM0AFE
>Giant ass case (E-ATX support)
>Only enough support for 4-5 3.5" HDDs and no rubber mounts
>No 5.25" support at all
>$200-260
>ZERO INCLUDED FANS
>The more expensive case with the non-standard vertical GPU orientation has WORSE thermals when added fans anyway
>Mid noise-normalized thermals
Just what the fuck is the point?

Between this and aquarium style cases I don't understand modern builds anymore. They seem to be spending so much money re-engineering the wheel for little to show for it and a loss of features/support. Why orient the GPU with it's fans choked right up against the side panel wall (and require an extra riser on the motherboard to install it)? Why bother with 9-11 god damn fans, just run the system open bench on the cardboard box the mobo came in at that point (you're never getting sub-ambient) then take a data vac/leaf blower to it once a month. My Define R4 was $140 10 years ago, has noise insulated panels thick enough to be used as makeshift riot shields, 3x Stock Fans that are still working, and vibration-resistant cage mounts for 8 drives + 2 ODD spaces.

These new breed of cases seem more designed for reviewers to have something to talk about and tinker with than for consumers to actually buy and use.

>>102909652
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#Z=32768002&S=6000,8400&TT=300-360-360-760,300-380-380-960&sort=price&page=1
You're not doing anything fancy so just put in the specs you want and sort by lowest. It's currently a Silicon Power Value kit which has a good low profile and unassuming design. RAM is a commodity so the best price will vary by the day - if it happens to be something with a taller heatsink you'll need to check compatibility with your cooler.

the fuck is cum-dimm?

>>102909298
Having more power phases directly increases your chance of something bad happening. But high quality power stages used on highend motherboards can help save your hardware by shutting off power when there is a short which makes the board salvageable if you remove the dead component

>>102909711
cunny dimms

>>102909349
B0 raptorlake and zen5 is cursed
C0 alderlake is goat

>>102909477
Well, none are $70 anymore, but for example asrock's x870 steel legend has upgraded capacitors compared to the pro rs, how important is that for longevity? Especially given hardware unboxed showed the VRMs all ran below 60 degrees anyway.

>>102909711
Dimms for lolipedos

>>102909682
It's a showpiece for whales with more money than sense. Not to defend it but your criticisms are off the mark - nobody, to a rounding error, uses HDDs and ODDs in their primary rig these days.

besides unofficial mods and shit, is HL Alyx still the benchmark for VR games? Anything that's more taxing can just be boiled down to being poorly optimized?

>>102908266
Looking to purchase HDDs for backup purposes. 2x2 TiB should suffice, I guess (I need for storing personal photos and videos).

Can spend upto $200.

9800X3D leaked between 480 and 550. Yikes

>>102909787
Internal or external?
RAID or separate?

Ultrawide recommendations? Something that doesn't break the bank but doesn't cheap out on quality.

>>102909787
>2x2 TiB
Why so smoll brotha

>>102909816
If you don't care about slop trash like movies, shows or anime you don't use much.

>>102909807
External. Will use a backup.
Not sure if I need RAID?

>>102909816
I will be mostly storing personal photos and videos.

>>102909833
very true

>>102909841
>External
At that capacity I'd say your options are
A) Whatever basic Elements/Portable/Partner/etc. drive is on sale. Mystery meat but dirt cheap.
B) If you want something known, get a couple of Red+ or other confirmed CMR drives and some enclosures. 3.5" models need external power.
C) With $200 you could go SSD. More durable, faster, and portable but needs to be powered on a few times a year (tbf HDDs need this as well just less frequently).

>Not sure if I need RAID?
You can't realistically use RAID with external drives so don't worry about it.

>>102909787
???? I got 10Tb seagate enterprise for 130 usd (100 good boy points). Yeah it will probably fail in like 10 years but who gives a fuck

>>102909735
practically not important at all

>>102909805
CU9 285K will be the best highend buy in a month's time

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>>102909898
>seagate

>>102909919
you mean the 28-5%K?
No, the 9800X3D is much better for gaming but AMD are squandering killing Intel off in DIY by pricing it at 500

>>102909919
>$699

>>102909925
the 7800X3D was $450, my guess it will be $499 which isn't too bad but still scummy

>>102909925
It'll be scalped anyway if they price it too low like 399 so it's best they set the prices appropriately and offer discounts if it's not moving

>>102909805
There better be a 7700X3D to accompany the 9800X3D
Budget option and premium option

>>102909237
for most people here, its not a problem. everything is set to dark mode and regularly used websites that lack a dark mode have one added via userstyles. if some rarely used site momentarily turns the panel into a tanning light, and then is promptly dimmed ofc, well, that's not a biggie.

>>102909925
>AMD are squandering killing Intel off
It's all scripted, it's Intel turn to have a Bulldozer episode next, and then a 10 year long underdog arc.

>>102909950
I'm guessing that's what's coming to sell the last of the Zen4X3D CCDs

>>102909890
Would buying a couple of (A)s for redundancy a good idea? Or should I get (B)?
Don't need the speed of SSD. Also, the drives will mostly remain in my drawer.

>>102909898
Any significant difference between consumer and enterprise ones? I am looking for reliability (use case is backup)

>>102909924
Any reason?

>>102909936
It's strange it's not 450 at the most because they went under Zen 4 MSRP for the rest of Zen 5
>>102909948
450 feels better than 500
>>102909950
9600X3D is coming
>>102909956
unironically excited

Browsing this thread gives really distorted view of what kind of systems people are running day to day. Makes me think of girls with eating disorders and now they meme themselves into thinking they are not thin enough.

>>102909997
>Would buying a couple of (A)s for redundancy a good idea?
I thought that was your original plan, no? If you don't want redundancy then just buy a single 4TB model (either A or B route).
If you want to go "full data integrity" then you should have legitimately redundant backups - basically a NAS with RAID. That's not realistic at $200 unless you have an old rig lying around. If you do, or you can scrounge one, then get a pair of Red+ or IronWolf 4TB and mirror them.

>I am looking for reliability
Enterprise drives might be technically more reliable but there are a couple of problems. #1 is that you're only buying two so 0.5% differences in AFR aren't going to show up - you don't have enough coverage for the data to be meaningful. #2 is that enterprise drives at this capacity are going to be pretty old so you'll see a lot of "refurbished" or NOS.

am I better off running 2 16GB DDR 5 6400mhx sticks or should I go for the full 64?

>>102910068
do you actually need 64GB?

>>102909997
>Any significant difference between consumer and enterprise ones? I am looking for reliability (use case is backup)
No, other than SMR (shingled) vs CMR (conventional) both types of which are present in Enterprise & Non-Enterprise Drives. In theory, shingled drives are cheaper but in the real world are basically the same $/TB and carry performance penalties of 20% in sequential read/writes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=rC0UDtCiYgI
Otherwise WD & Seagate are NOT spending millions of dollars running separate factories to assemble different lines of special drives for different customers. It's all the same spinning discs inside just with different certifications most of which don't matter to end users. For reliability sake in theory if you pick a drive that meets your capacity needs using the least # of platters (and therefore smallest number of read ahead motors and actuators) you'll have the longest lifespan but again that's theory and you're still at the mercy of the Law of Large Numbers. See the database for specs here:

https://rml527.blogspot.com/2010/10/hdd-platter-database-seagate-35.html

https://rml527.blogspot.com/2010/10/hdd-platter-database-western-digital-35_9883.html

You can also check BlackBlaze's latest Reliability Stats for individual model annualized failure rates (AFRs) and lifetime AFRs here:

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-q2-2024/

>>102910068
More RAM only helps if you're actually going to run something that uses it. You need enough RAM for your use case. If you don't have enough, performance falls off a cliff or shit begins crashing outright, but more than you need won't really do anything for speed.

>>102910068
2x32gb and 2x48gb would be best but costs a lot

>>102910063
> I thought that was your original plan, no? If you don't want redundancy then just buy a single 4TB model (either A or B route).
I meant that is buying a cheap drive a good idea?
But judging from comments looks like (A) is an acceptable option. If the drives are cheap I may buy 3 instead of 2.

>>102910080
Thanks anon! The reliability stats look useful.

>>102910089
That's not strictly true, e.g. on windows having more RAM means more headroom for the page cache which translates directly into a more responsive applications, even though the RAM occupied by the page cache is not listed in taskman.

>>102910091
>2x48GB
you mean 2x24GB?

>>102910136
>judging from comments looks like (A) is an acceptable option
Yeah it's fine. This is just a backup so if it dies you still have your originals. Having a standard backup like this protects you from 1 drive failure at any time. Having a proper NAS setup would protect you from 2 or more which is obviously much less likely.

>The reliability stats look useful
They're not that useful to you. The smallest drive Backblaze runs is like 12TB so their reports don't really apply to your purchase. You can make a bit of inference if you know what you're doing but it's nowhere near a sure thing.

>>102909997
>Any reason?
Their drives have all died faster for me than anything else. I prefer WD

>>102910089
If by used you mean used +reserved+ every other category, then yeah

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Any good Modems for Spectrum that has phone ports? My family upgraded spectrum to 1 GBP and it's been nothing but bitching and lag since than, it's driving me fucking nuts, almost 3 weeks of complaining. I tried cat 6, cat 8, and our wifi speed is fucking getting 10 mbps, even connected straight to the modem, it's like 14 mbps.

Need a rate brothers
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3qhWn6
Psu is be quiet 850

>>102910382
That RAM is S*msung, you want Hynix 6000 CL30 for Zen.

>>102910382
remember to wait for amazon to stock the 420'ish $ 7800x3d supplier
Keep an eye out for news about 9600x3d in case that's coming out soon since that'll be a great option after the 7800x3d went up in price so much
get CL30 ram, shouldn't cost much more & runs better, especially on amd
Unless you're getting the AIO for aesthetics or case space, just get a thermalright phantom spirit
that's an expensive motherboard, are you sure that's what you need?

>>102908266
Wanted to rebuild and sell an old PC I have in, it currently has 16gb of ram, an i7 4770 and no GPU, originally wanted a GTX 970 in it as I had one but it was threw out by my family, was tempted to put a GTX 980ti in it instead buying it for £85
Wondering what I could sell it all for Anons.

>>102910469
reasonbly worth about £250/300

>>102910469
Thrown out* I'm not ESL I promise.

>>102910474
>>102910469
wait that was £250 with the GPU. 150 at the most

How fast is a 12900K w/ DDR4? Is it sufficient for 2160p gayming?

>>102910502
it should be, 4k is GPU bound

>>102910474
>>102910477
Yeah this would be with the 980Ti, basically figuring out in my head the new costs and whether it'd be worth it as with a used £40 GTX 970 I was told £190-220, with a GTX 980ti for £85 to £250-300 is iffy in my head cost ratio wise, but it might be still worth doing.

>>102910510
I think you'd be better getting a 1070 for 100 from like CEX or ebay or some shit. 8GB of VRAM is necessary and would definitely push it up to the 300 mark for an extra ~15

>>102910519
Think I'll go for it, it'll be something like £48-52 in costs so far, going to £152 for £300 doesn't seem too bad. Just afraid of it becoming a money hole I don't end up selling.

Ngl, I kinda regret buying a 1080p display instead of a 2160p display in the current year even if it'd be 1600ish PLN instead of 900ish.

What are some 2160p displays that have high refresh rates and low latency whilst also being suitable for work like graphic design/color grading? HDR and good colors/contrast ratio and backlight bleed are important to me.

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>tfw skipped this gen of cards
>tfw upgraded the rest of my pc build to am5
>tfw have 3k put way just to buy a 5090 day 1
for the first time in my life, I'll finally have a real space heater

where the fuck is the 9800x3d

>>102910598
Already available for preorder.
Two more weeks. Trust the plan. MLID predicted this.

>>102910423
Any recom for the motherboard?

I really hope a new vr headset comes out so I can make full use of my 5090 9590x3d build. Surely something beats the pimax crystal by now.

is it just me or do rdna2 graphics look better in person than ada graphics at same equivalent settings almost like nvidia driver is cheating or broken?

>>102910657
Literal plecebo.

>>102910633
If you don't need anything specific, ASRock B650M-HDV/M2
Good reviews, good price, has everything the vast majority of people need.

How's current setup? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LkY6vj

>>102910667
no its true. like how some people say console graphics look better than pc because gpu makers can do directx driver hacks instead of accurate playstation rendering.

>5600XT
>5600T
AMD should do monolithic Zen4C using 6N on AM4 at this point

>>102910670
Hard to rate "current" setups since who knows when you bought it, so I'll just rate it as if it's a new build you're planning

Personally, I'd get two different monitors, one 1440p high refresh rate & one 4k 60hz (or higher ofc) so you can have one for gaming and one for media or random shit off to the side.
That CPU is ass, it's bottlenecking you pretty bad, even at 1440p
Those speakers don't seem very popular
What's with your storage
If you ARE going last gen (I'd suggest just going current gen), I don't know if that ram is worth the extra bucks, performance increase is likely minimal over 3200 CL16

>>102910598
apparently 1st week of november, should be confirmed this week with press event going on in Macau
>>102910692
>like how some people
not only are YOU retarded but you believe other retards.

>>102910760
you can see it with your eyes in person. also people who play ps5 pro early still say the games look better than pc ports.

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if I don't care about raytracing or ai, i'm assuming I just go with an amd gpu, yeah? seems like i get more bang for my buck when it comes to gaming

>>102910778
Yeah man I bet they would say that until the check cleared.

>>102910778
Is this bait or is there actually an audiophile-equivalent culture, but for GPUs?

>>102910791
linux = radeon
windows = nvidia
simple as

>>102910791
If you don't use DLSS, framegen, AI or RT, the only downside AMD gets for the massively increased performance per dollar is that they get sabotaged sometimes and lack behind nvidia on drivers because of that

>>102910798
nta but it's plausible that they could be rendering slightly differently. It was definitely a thing back when consoles had truly custom SoCs. Way too many factors involved to say for certain. Least of which is that consoles don't have itemized settings.

Can someone please explain to me AMD's logic behind sabotaging 3 generations of their CPUs by making the IHS three times as thick as it needed to be?

>>102910890
Can someone explain to me Intel's logic of making their CPU bend & need a bracket to prevent that shit

>>102910749
>>102910670

This is my current setup. I was mainly going for 1440p. 4K monitors are too expensive.


I understand about the CPU. I got it as a hand-me-down for free from a friend. I'll probably buy a new one on Black Friday.

Speakers have pretty high Amazon reviews and sound pretty good to me.

My storage setup is from 2019, don't really have any qualms about it from since then. If I get a SATA SSD along with my HDD and m.2 I think I'll be set for the next couple years when I plan to upgrade my motherboard.

>>102910890
They had more than enough thermal headroom from the node shrink and chose to use it to maintain AM4 cooler compatibility.

>>102910897
They needed to elongate the die for the new architecture and didn't want to increase the price of the ILM.

Hope that helps guys.

>>102910903
>This is my current setup. I was mainly going for 1440p. 4K monitors are too expensive.
I don't know shit about monitors but isn't this comparable quality for like 50$ more?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Lz448d/

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>the lights on my G213 prodigy keyboard have an audible whine to them when turned on

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>>102910820
but nvidia is worse than amd in windows as of 2024.

>>102910778
I own a PC, PS5, Series S and Switch. All games look better on the PC including but not limited to: Anti-aliasing, texture quality, ray-tracing, upscaling (when used)

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>>102911042
he's talking about equivalent amd vs equivalent nvidia. the amd card looks better on the left while the nvidia card downgrades on the right.

>>102911080
but the 4070 looks identical to the 7800XT if you don't use upscaling?

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I love the current day PC market. Really makes me feel like I'm in the 1980's again. To think not too many years ago I could get an HEDT dual-socket system for this much money.

>>102911088
But all the weird gimmicks is what gives nvidia value
pure raster performance, nvidia gets fucking smoked in any price range that amd is in

>>102910749
>5800x bottlenecks 4070tis at 1440p
>tfw planned on upgrading 3600 to 5700x3d with 4080s
Will 5700x3d bottleneck as well? Or should I just go 4k monitor at this point

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>>102909948
can't scalp in germoney

>>102911131
Yeah it'll bottleneck, but a 5700x3d will be a serious upgrade and it's p cheap

>>102911131
It's not even a sure thing that the 5800X would bottleneck at 1440p. It's plausible that one could force a CPU bind in a lot of games by lowering settings but it's not realistic. Why buy an $800 video card to play at medium?
Anyway, if you're on AM4 the 5700X3D makes the most sense for an upgrade. Again you could force it to bottleneck but it'll give you more headroom for FPS if you should choose to run low settings. Plus better low% which is always nice.

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intel bros i don't feel so good...

Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins, ignore frame drops and gloss over the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers with the obvious aim of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing. PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers are paid handsomely to promote overpriced niche products (X3D, EPYC, Threadripper etc.). Rational gamers have little reason to look further than the $300 13600K which offers comparable real-world gaming and better desktop performance at a fraction of the price. Workstation users (and RTX 4080+ gamers) may find value in higher core CPUs such as the 16-core $400 13700K. Despite offering better performance at lower prices, as long as Intel continues to sample and sponsor marketers that are mostly funded by AMD, they will struggle to win market share.

>>102911241
>9800x3d
I zzzleep
where's the budget one?

>>102911292
>Rational gamers have little reason to look further than the $300 13600K which offers comparable real-world gaming and better desktop performance at a fraction of the price.
https://youtu.be/veBDjheatX0?t=570

Save 100$ & get a better cpu looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

>>102911292
unironically posting Userbenchmark is peak brainrot.

>>102911321
NO NO NO NO NO STOP RUINING MY SHILLING BUY INTEL BBUY BUY BBUYBUTYBUYBUBYUYBUYBUBYUYBU

>>102911421
I swear, X3D cpus are so good, shills focus on trying to knock them down and completely forget cheaper AMD cpus also exist.
Only intel cpus worth buying are MAYBE workstation ones (I don't know about that space) or super budget builds where you get older gen cpus like 12100f/12400f or even older (maybe in like shitty prebuilt office pcs where you just slap in a gpu & some ram)

>>102911441
desu intel 12th gen has been quite competitive because of the price drops when 14th gen came out, but other than than that X3D is the king really.

>>102911453
yeah, imo if you want a budget build & you don't have a zen board already, 12th gen intel is likely all you need and offers that cheaper than a 5600. If you already have a zen board, just slap in a 5700x3d (mainly if US) or 5600 & off to the races you go

>>102911293
7600X3D or 7500F

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Hey /g/entlemen, my shitbox I've had since Obama was in office is starting to choke and croak, and I want a full upgrade.
>Country
Norway (which has gotten in the way of a lot of my builds, due to shipping from Amazon via pcpartspicker not being available here)
>Budget
~$2700

I'm not obsessive about graphics, but I want good performance, as well as reliability and hopefully a degree of futureproofing.

Current speccy readout in image

>>102911528
>7600X3D
microcenter exclusive I zzzleep
where's the new publicly available one
give us a 7700x3d or a 9700x3d or a 9600x3d

>>102911241
>5.7ghz on vcache like no vcache models
That's too good to be true

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Come along for the build anons. It's my first build.

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>checking atx 3.1 PSUs
>notice some have the 12v cable end into 2x classic pcie connector on the psu side
Is this fine or am I getting jewed?

>>102911563
Take your car to Sverigesthan and get yourself some parts anon. If you know what I mean.

>>102911592
remember not to put the motherboard on the antistatic bag, just put it on the cardboard box
good luck getting it posting on first boot anon!

>>102911580
you can also get it from mindfactory.de
>7700x3d or a 9700x3d or a 9600x3d
7800X3D at 330 was your 7700X3D, 9800X3D is out in two weeks and 9600X3D should be coming soon. stop complaining poorfag

>>102911580
You can have my 7800x3d for $300 once I get the 9800x3d

Why did the 1440p gpu listing drop? is 12gb truly enough?

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How big is the gap berween 5700x3d and 5800x3d?

>>102911775
like 5%

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YOU'RE A BIG GUY

>>102911775
as much as 10% difference when your fully cpu bottlenecked

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this better be fucking good

>>102911854
I mean we already know there's not a single gpu that'll be bottlenecked by it unless you're fucking retarded & running at 720p or MAYBE 1080p

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>>102911864
That's not how bottlenecks work anon.

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>>102911818
Imagine the cost of all that silicon.
>>102911586
Might be shrank and double-stacked to pull it away from hotspots.
It's AMD so I'm not hopeful.

>>102911610
Inshallah brother, any recommendations for what to pillage from the heathen lands?

>>102911887
cope, retard

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>>102911925
I don't think you know how to use any of the words you just used anon.

I just updated my B450 board's BIOS to one that lets me upgrade to a 5700X3D.
Everything seems to run fine but my CPU fan no longer spins up to full during a cold boot. It also doesn't seem to ramp up as much when I do random things like open apps or a browser. Is that normal?

>>102911775
Assuming a CPU bottleneck scenario it's <5% in cache-starved games (console ports, AAAs) and up to 10% in clock/IPC dependent ones (esports and other "simple" games).

>>102911938
think you need to read more instead of watching cartoons
What GPU do you think will be held back by a 9700x3d at 1440p?

>>102911864
It's not about bottlenecks Anon, I just want better 1% lows.

>>102911957
>9700x3d
doesn't exist, learn to read anon

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>>102911909
It's very cheap, TSMC N6 and N5 is super mature by now and yields are easily over 90%

N3B is unknown though, Applel ate the high costs at first last year

>>102911980
9800x3d 9700x3d whatever same shit retard

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>>102911957
Any GPU has a possibility to be CPU bottlenecked, even at 4K. Again, you don't understand how bottlenecks occur. It would be best to learn about a subject, before giving confident opinions about it anon.

I haven't played vidya in years, since my graphic card died.

Wanted to buy new one.

Is it possible that the graphic card died because of some other part of my PC? Or something? Am I safe to just buy new graphic card?

Had gtx 770. Wanna buy fx 6600 (poorfag)

>>102911997
>can't read properly
>can't comprehend what he's actually typing
>calling anyone else a retard

>>102911982
What node are the explosive tile and the Mossad signal receiver tile made on?

>>102911945
>my CPU fan no longer spins up to full during a cold boot
The full speed thing is a holdover from older fans that needed a big kick to get moving. It hasn't been necessary on mainstream PC fans for a long time (like 20 years) but I guess they left it in for safety reasons then decided to take it out at some point.

>doesn't seem to ramp up as much
The new BIOS probably enables hysteresis by default. This is something you should have done when you bought it btw - modern CPUs boost on a hair trigger and it's much quieter if you let that soak into the metal. Especially if you have an aftermarket cooler on there.

>Is that normal?
It's a bit weird to change those settings with a BIOS update but it wouldn't surprise me to see a manufacturer mess around like that. Often the BIOS department is like 3 giga-autists in a shed so random tuning is to be expected.

>>102911998
Run a 4090 with a 10100f and then switch it with a 4080 super and see what happens to your framerates

What's a good 1080p ultra build

>>102912054
smells like poor. 5600/12100f and 4060/7600XT

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https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-teases-ryzen-9000x3d-chip-coming-november-7-cuts-pricing-on-all-other-ryzen-9000-chips

AYYMDEAD SALES ARE SO BAD THEY'RE DESPERATELY TRYING TO STOP INTEL WINNING

>>102912054
Anon, as suggested, give your country and budget so we can help.

>>102912061
Still not buying intel.

>>102911982
I wonder what the filler tiles do

>>102911982
Half of it is still on a currentgen node, and they're not going to reuse any of it anywhere else.
Meanwhile AMD just churns out those high margin server chiplets and throws scraps from the table into the goysumer market.
Doesn't seem like a sensible move on Intel's part when they're in panic mode and trying to go lean and efficient.

>>102912100
>The filler tiles ensure the clump of logic tiles ends up having a rectangular form and a uniform Z-Height.

They are just dummy tiles, no logic in them

>>102912054
12400f 7700xt 32gb 3200CL16

>>102912003
the RX6600 is perfectly fine, make sure you use DDU and install the drivers with the internet disconnected because Microsoft tries to use its own drivers instead of AMDs drivers.

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>>102911982

>>102907210
pls respond

>>102912061
the last time they won was with the 12900k years ago

>>102912146
you have to go back

>>102912026
>This is something you should have done when you bought it btw
I didn't even know it was a thing in the BIOS. Everything seemed to work well and I didn't mind the noise, so I just left things as they were. But now that the ramp-up noise gone it feels weird.

>It's a bit weird to change those settings with a BIOS update but it wouldn't surprise me to see a manufacturer mess around like that.
Makes sense. It's a four year skip, too, because I never updated my BIOS since 2020. I did make sure to check the list of BIOS versions beforehand to see if there were any I had to update to first before I could jump to the latest one, and they didn't mention anything.

>>102912150
You're fine anon. Sapphire is good. You shouldn't overspend on coolers. You won't see any real world gains.

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quad-stacked V-cache confirmed?

>>102912180
And 60 Euro more to go from 7700xt to 7800xt is a good deal, right?

>>102912154
where?

>>102912195
Absolutely. 7800xt is their best card right now.

>>102912220
neat, thanks

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I can get Aorus Elite Platinum psu for a good price but everywhere I see people shiting on Gigabyte because some older psu line was exploding. Are these safe?

>>102912061
AMDiscount

>>102912074
USA
$2k

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Can anyone explain how the m.2 wifi cards market works.
I just ordered a pair of AX210 from a local store to upgrade my motherboards and I got two cards from clearly different manufacturers, both say Intel AX210 on the side with metal plate.

>>102912256
https://cultists.network/12310/gigabyte-ae1000pm-review/

>If I had to put the AE1000PM into a single sentence, I’d call it an upgraded UD1000GM. But honestly, this feels unfair beyond the physical layout of it. Gigabyte made the debatable controversial choice to stick with MEIC here, and looking at the build quality and part choice of the unit, they seem to have made the right choice.
>However, that doesn’t mean I’m going to tell you to go out and buy this thing right away. I’d like to see Gigabyte send the AE1000PM off to a more experienced reviewer with their own lab like HWBusters/Cybenetics’ Aris, LTT Labs, F14 labs and others I haven’t mentioned here to prove itself on an electrical performance and protection testing level. This is something I don’t have the equipment or knowledge for to test.

I wouldn't buy a second hand PSU, no way. If it's a new PSU, I doubt it's much cheaper than equivalent/better options, just go with those instead

>>102912150
I've not gone with AMD in a decade but Sapphire are a highly reputable brand, IIRC I heard someone say that they're basically the EVGA of Nvidia

>>102912335
The EVGA of AMD, I'm not even phone fagging, I feel like such an ESL today holy shit.

>>102912309
Anon, 2k is enough for a 4k build. Why would you spend that much for a 1080p one?

>>102911092
>spend $5000 on a build
>7800X3D

>>102912309
Like the other anon said, don't spend 2k on a 1080p build
Get like a 1500-1700 build and spend the rest on a better monitor, or alternatively, get a really nice chair like a leapv2

>>102912332
It's a new 850W plat. about 30$ cheaper than seasonic gold.

You don't need more than Haswell.

You don't need more than Zen1

>>102912309
>>102912369
Still, here you go.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VZw9qR

>>102912423
so it's 125$?

Just get one of these instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tWMTwP/
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YYZ9TW/
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7pmP6/
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nvRwrH/
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kkbRsY/
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KqbTwP/

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Reminder that this is the bellwether of things to come.
You WILL use heterogeneous architectures whether you like it or not.
That or better start stockpiling those 10900Ks.

>>102912482
>id cooling over thermalright
>7600x over 7800x3d on a 1080p build (aka likely going to hit crazy fps)
>nvidia over AMD for a 1080p build (I guess maybe he'll go RT?)

>>102912369
4k is a meme I refuse to acknowledge

Quick question
I've managed to snag a 4090 from a friend so the price was very decent but I'm playing on a 1440p monitor and don't intend to change.
Would using DLDSR to render games at 4k and then using DLSS balanced (for games with PT for instance) give me a better image quality than DLAA 1440p?

>>102912369
>2k is enough for a 4k build
Clearly not cause you're gonna be spending at least 2-2.5k on a 4090 alone.

>>102912061
Why is the anti-aliasing disabled on the text here?

>>102912529
DLSS is fake frames that your eyes can notice so disable when ever possible.

>>102912504
Performance per dollar for cooler. They'll do the same thing (and thermalright coolers look ugly). Same for the CPU. The 7800x3d, especially at current prices is simply not worth it. Over double the price of a 7600x for small gains. For the card, 4070 super is the perfect sweet spot. 7800xt is a good alternative but it's weaker and since he wanted the ultimate 1080p card, that's it. Other workload like emulation is also much better on nvidia.
>>102912553
Only if you play unoptimised slop anon.

>>102912647
>and thermalright coolers look ugly
Wtf who cares how a cooler looks? It's a cooler

>>102912659
It's just a positive anon. The point is, it's cheaper, it'll get the exact same temps AND it doesn't look like shit.

>>102912499
No need for the 10900k unless you have specific programs that needs a monolithic low latency 10 core
7800x3d's & 9800x3d's are available and 11800x3d's will probably be homogeneous cored too and not need a special scheduler

>>102912680
like eight bucks cheaper for a worse cooler in a 1.5k+ build
come on now

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>>102912647
>>102912659
>and thermalright coolers look ugly
I think they look pretty good, but of course it depends on how good your components look combined.

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>the amount of anons that dont know this was peak cooler ~9 years ago

Which 4070 Super card is the best? ASUS TUF?

>>102911598
That layout protects retards from melting the PSU side of the connector, it's mostly used by Super Flower & Corsair.
It's not some kind of cheap compromise, just try to get a ATX 3.1 spec unit if you're buying a new one.

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5090-graphics-card-featured-in-a-factory-trial-video
>ZOTAC has confirmed that the card in the video is not 5090 but 4070 Ti Contrary to the video description, the card is not 5090 but 4070 Ti.
sorry goys the rumor has been DEBOONKED
the 5090 is still not ready obviously

>>102912760
more like 19 years ago...

>Built the perfect (at least back then) gaming pc last year
>"Hmm, oled kinda sucks and is expensive, mini led isn't quite there yet, let's wait a year before buying a decent high end monitor"
>Fast forward to now
>Oled sucks slightly less and is still expensive
>Mini led aren't available in the EU because of muh power consumption efficiency
Guess I'm stuck with my M28U for another year.

>>102912760
you sure that wasn't 2008? 9yrs ago was the Hyper 212 EVO

>>102912768
It is 3.1. But I thought those are all 12v to 12v.

>>102908266
>this image
Holy fuck this embarrassing retard is still baking threads after all these years?

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24 real threads vs 32 cuck threads

>>102912760
Don't forget 3rd party gpu coolers.

>>102912803
The spec doesn't require a native 12VHPWR or 12V-2x6 connection to be on the PSU's power panel.
It only requires the unit to be able to connect to new video cards with a 12VHPWR or 12V-2x6 power header.
https://hwbusters.com/psus/intel-atx-v3-0-specification-explained-briefly/

>>102912827
>16 cuck cores

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>>102912832
what a time to be alive

>I hate that shareholders discovered how profitable this sector is

>>102912827
odds this is on the windows cope drivers (broken)?
I'm saying 100%

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>>102912871
arrowlake e-core is faster than raptorlake p-core

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>>102912760
Anon Oct 2005 was 19 years ago...
Also anyone got a gif of this thing flying like a hovercraft?

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>>102912765
ASUS TUF has good build quality, you might have to repaste the GPU TIM if your card has got the rapidly deteriorating one applied.
This affected ASUS' 4080 and 4090 cards including Strix, not sure about Supers yet.
If you're in the US, there are decently priced alternatives like Gigabyte Eagle or Gaming OC, you might have to tweak the fan curves if they run loud for you.

>>102912900
Raptorlake p core has 25% more clockspeed though

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Rate my build, please.
Also, recommend me a monitor to go with this setup. Anything above 144hz is a meme. I just want to play games.

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>>102912936
>>102912796
>>102912774
fuck its been that long?

>>102912900
This means fuck all since people already know the Lion Cove P-Cores in Arrow Lake sucks.

>>102912765
gigabyte gaming oc

>>102912959
The GeForce 256 was 25 years ago. An entire lifetime has gone by. Most of it since 2020.

>>102912962
still better than zen5 core

>>102912950
ASRock Phantom Gaming PG27QFT1B
LG UltraGear 27GN800-B

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>>102912959
remember RDRAM?
DDR5 needs these fuckers.

Best value motherboards for Alder Lake CPUs?

>>102912950
looks good, might be able to save a bit on the drives but other than that, pretty solid

>>102912978
It can't do 2048bit avx512 in a single cycle like zen5 can though

>>102912978
Nigger, no. Intel can't even give a straight answer as to whether LGA1851 will support additional CPU generations.
So people are paying a single-generation, new platform premium for a CPU that's barely better than their 14th-generation refresh sets.
It's practically guaranteed to perform below the 9800X3D.
>muh power efficiency
The tiles will incur additional power draw at low-loads/idle just like the Ryzens.

>>102912827
and 96ns latency

I cant wait to upgrade to zen6 in 2 years which will be on the same node as arrowlake this year

>>102913120
>Intel needs a superior node to be competitive to Zen 5%

>>102913174
amd will never have the node advantage after arrowlake.

>>102913120
>same node as arrowlake this year
Node means fuck all if you can't design a great compute cores.
Intel practically accepted Zen 5 X3Ds, with CCXs in N4P, will outperform Arrow Lake.
N3B is a mediocre 3nm node anyway, I doubt Zen 6 will be on that.

>>102911614
Lol, I think it says RAM and CPU are faulty. Im not sure how to proceed.

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The post LEDs for ASRock x870 pro are WiFi.

>>102913222
How long did you wait? It may take a few minutes (5~10) for the initial memory training to complete.

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The leds

>>102913222
>Lol, I think it says RAM and CPU are faulty. Im not sure how to proceed.
give it some time
if it doesn't boot after like 20 min, shut it down, take out both ram sticks & put one of them in a different slot, then try again. If that doesn't work in 20 min, try the other stick

>>102913237
I waited a minute. Let me try to wait longer.

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>Still couldn't fix slow DDR5 boot times

*YAWN* there's no reason for vanilla zen4/zen5 to exist. amd should just focus on making x3d.

>>102913274
some people are poor, anon

>>102913274
AMD is a third-world-first company, we have 5 more years of AM4 products ahead of us.

>>102913258
Running it for 20 minutes now. Anon, why won't the LEDs on RAM glow?

is Amazon safe now? I avoided them in my last build because there was a bunch of reddit post and news articles saying the boxes had fake parts inside them.

>>102913298
nta
Do you feel comfortable showing us a picture of your screen and build.

I have an AMD 5500GT running Linux, Micro-ATX board and 400W beQuiet power supply, 80 plus gold. Can you estimate the power consumption w/o HDDs when using this as a NAS + AdGuard DNS? I wanted to buy some kind of small pc where I can attach some sata drives, but it appears that this isn't easy, as I cannot connect HDDs to a minipc. So I thought about just using a regular desktop computer instead.

>>102913222
>CPU
Did you flash the latest bios?

>>102913491
Easily <50W on average and probably more like <30. Naturally if you load it, eg. encoding for Plex, that'll go up.

Will the 5090 with any workstation workload be able to saturate pcie 5.0? I doubt pcie 4 v 5 makes much difference for gaming

I have 4k 60hz monitor, can i get higher than 60fps or do I need a new one

>>102912320
They are probably fine
These pieces are so mass manufactured as to be built in multiple factories.

>>102913461
>>102913494
Brehs, winrar! But only one RAM slot works. Can't get it to boot with both.

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Pic here.

>>102913527
Doesn't sound too bad, the last PC I measured had an i5-2500 and a GPU, and was always above 100W.

I've heard on the grape vine to not buy a graphics card because the 4070 will be as strong as a 4090 with their new type of vram.

>>102913660
Yeah low power states and dynamic clock selection has come a long way. Though >100W seems a little high for that system. Was it a high-end GPU?

One of the RAM sticks is fucked desu.

>>102913649
Did you test each of the memory modules in B2? That would rule out memory stick issues for now.
Try updating the BIOS to 3.08, not a guaranteed solution.
https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X870%20Pro%20RS%20WiFi/index.asp#BIOS

>>102913700
>Was it a high-end GPU?
Just a 560 Ti. But it had an 80 plus bronze psu, maybe it was just inefficient.

>>102911586
Cool case, which model?

>>102913735
I put both in b2 and only one works. Will try BIOS upgrade.

>>102913785
That's almost certainly a bad stick, RMA that RAM kit if the BIOS update does nothing (big doubt that it will).

>>102913785
RIP, you failed the RAM lottery
I've lost it as well with one of my sets
it's an easy & quick return in any reputable store

Gonna get an rtx 3050 over 6600 solely because I don’t need another power connector and AMD can’t possibly make a card that’s efficient enough to run off of pcie power

>>102913458
Did you last look into them during some gpu shortage where a low end card went for $500? There were tons of fake sellers promising cards at msrp during that time. Amazon is fine, I’ve bought almost all of my parts from Amazon and have had no issues. If you really are worried, record yourself unboxing your card, Amazon usually has good customer support in my experience anyway
Oh, and don’t buy anything not ship & sold buy Amazon, unless it’s the company you’re buying it from

>>102913027
ASRock ProRS WiFi is generally good value for money, whether DDR4 or DDR5.
MSI Pro motherboards were also popular recommendations.

Some of the high-end Z690 boards (+$500) are sold below $250 now, like the Taichi & Strix E.

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intelsissies not like this...

>>102911854
i bought a 9950x in august if the x3d has the 3d cache on both ccds i'm gonna fucking kill myself

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>>102914357
He. Did. Not. Wait®.

>>102914283
>7nm

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>>102914283
BOSS!
THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF OUR PROCESSORS WHAT DO WE DO?
FUCK THE POWER LIMITS LET IT BURN
kinda based btw

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>>102914445
Diminishing returns

>>102914445
>>102914566
what does a 14900k score

>>102914641
>>102914641
>>102914641

>>102914587
a top binned 14900k ~41400

9950x ~42000

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>>102913956
>>102913904
Going to contact the vendor. Here is some neofetch anons.