>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC (RIP)>CPUBudget: 12600KF, 7600XOverpriced Gaming: 7800X3DWorkstation: 7900X, 9950XAVOID: Intel 13/14 series>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III, Hyte THICC Q60Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67>MOTHERBOARDASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670>RAMDDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GBDDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB>SSDhttps://ssd.borecraft.com/SSD_Buying_Guide_List.pdfBudget: SN580Mid range: SN770Premium: Samsung 990 ProFlagship: Sabrent Rocket 5>GPU1080p: RTX 3060 12 GB / RTX 4060, RX 6600; ultra budget: used RTX 2060 Super1440p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT2160p: RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti SuperAmateur production: RTX 3060 12GB, RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, used RTX 3090, RTX 4090>CASE (from $ to $$$)mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air MiniATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/IIIAVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow, Fishtanks>PSUBudget: Gold rated 500-600W PSUMid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max loadHigh end: Seasonic PRIME TXAVOID: GAMEMAXPSU buying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/>MONITOR1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E21440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansHigh end: Arctic P12/P14(Max) (5-pack)Trap: >>102914641
First for AMD WONAMD NUMBER ONE
intels hand
>arctic>high end
Good morning.I hate AIBs.
what CPU cooler should I get?
>>102924247PS max height is like, irrelevant because my case is huge. just a big fucking high performance air cooler that isn't $150 (aka not noctua sorry fanboys, pun intended)
>>102924304peerless assassin
>>102924247PS120SE
>>102924323Some anon said the bearings in PA are shit which likely are the cause of the increased noise compared to PS (shown in head to head comparisons), just spend the few extra bucks on the new version instead
>>102924357he was trying to justify the extra he spent on the ps120
>>102924247either this >>102924323or better yet imo, the phantom spirit 120 SEboth are from thermalright btwwhich will also release the royal pretor sometime still this year - their direct competitor to noctua nh-d15 g2overall, when it comes to CPU Air Cooling, Thermalright have been firmly the kings of the price/performance since 2023it makes no sense to buy shit like Noctua which costs at least double and generally performs slightly worse
>>102924179Xiaomi G Pro 27i should be on the 1440p Monitor recommendations
>>102924403do you have one?
>>102924403AOC 24G2ZE/BK should be for budget 1080p recommendations.
>"AM4 is a dead platform">gets there new CPUsBy the time AM4 dies, AM6 will already be out
Is $60 too expensive for a Phantom Spirit 120 in Europe?
>>102924458typo so your post is invalidated, L loser
>>102924323>>102924396How about the 140? I imagine bigger fans = slower rpm = even quieter
Who else torn between 'you don't need a new computer' and 'you shouldn't skimp on the most used item in your daily life' here?
>>102924465absolutely>>102924472looking at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AP_AWpxpNw & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WItM0WVS0yAThe phantom spirit 120 is as good or better compared to the 140 peerless assassin
Whats your guys predics for the 9000x3d price
>>102924534$450
>>102924458Failed chips aren't "new" cpus anon. It very much died a long time ago. No one should build on it unless it's a super budget build with used parts.>>102924489You shouldn't skimp out, therefore you should save the money you'll waste on mediocre parts and get something good when you need a new computer. Problem solved.
>>102924534$480~$520 after various retailer markups. As always, hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
>>102924067Unless you are spending thousands on a PC and doing some really high end stuff, AM5 is a waste of money as of now. A GPU that will be bottlenecked by a 5800x3d doesn't even exist as of now. And as the second hand market increases while people move to the next generation, AM4 chips will only get cheaper and cheaper. By the time you will need to move to another generation, AM6 will be out, making all the premium you paid for AM5 completely pointless.There is literally no argument for going AM5 for 99% of people.
>>102924534550
>>102924534550-650€
>>102924572>A GPU that will be bottlenecked by a 5800x3d doesn't even existI really wish anons would stop talking about bottlenecks when they don't understand them. 5800x3d is roughly the same performance as a 7600x. The 7800x3d is a faster cpu. The 7800x3d can create bottlenecks. Infact, the upcoming 9800x3d will also create bottlenecks.
There surely isn't any scenario where Zen 4 goes up even higher in price after 9800X3D launch, right?Right?
>>102924541>>102924611>serial AM5 shill How much is AMD paying you to gaslight poor anons?
>>102924612some chink may eat a bat again and you know how it goes
>>102924629Userbenchmark is that you?
>>102924629>anyone who doesn't agree with me is a shillI'm actually a Intel user anon (for now). And yes, all Intel cpus also create bottlenecks. The platform cost is roughly 50$ or less for significantly worse performance. It's simply silly to invest in a dead platform unless it's with used parts.
>>102924669>still waiting for an actual reason to invest on AM5 other than the "dead" platform meme
>>102924228Liquid Freezer is pretty high end.
>>102924611It's pcbg Nobody actually owns modern hardware here so they always spout misinformation about CPU not mattering
>>102924681Sure anon.>big performance boost>faster ram speeds>pcie5>avx-512>zen5 and zen6>igpuJust to name a few on the top of my head. Again, why would you pay nearly the same amount for a inferior platform? There's no meme here, it's simply the better choice.
>>102924512Interesting.... I'll pick one
>>102924767>pcie5>avx-512>igpulmao, 99.99% of people will literally never see the difference with or without these. The fact that these are the main selling points for AM5 only proves my point
>>102924830>cherry picking>not mentioning more performance>not mentioning faster rambased retard
>got a 5700x3d back in august>"this'll be the last am4 thing I get"a few days ago>"mobo only does x16 / x4, and x8 / x8 might be cool for dual gpus">ordered am4 moboIs this a case of throwing good money after bad?
>>102924830I'm glad you outted yourself as disingenuous by ignoring the other things anon. Helps alot. Arigatou. Ignoring the retar- challenged anon here, for any anons considering getting a cpu without a igpu, don't. I was stupid enough to buy a KF cpu once, never again. You might save a few pennies but you'll be in hell when your GPU dies or need to troubleshoot.
>make a motherboard that looks like technology instead of a toy by stripping out the decorations on a consoomer platform>call it a "business" motherboard and charge $150 for itWhat the fuck is this? Looks like an old H series motherboard from Intel.
>>102924851 >"n-not these ones!!!!"Hey if you think they are so irrelevant you shouldn't have mentioned them, but you did because you didn't have any other choice, and that reinforces my point even more.Nobody said AM5 doesn't offer better performance, of course it does, if the new generation couldn't even do that there is no point to it.The problem is that the performance it offers won't even be noticeable for 90% of people out there. And the price to performance ratio is still way worse than AM4.And since the top of the line AM4 chips will last most people well after AM5 is already dead itself, saying there is no reason to go for AM4 is beyond moronic. For most people there is basically no point in spending the extra money for AM5 as of now other than the novelty of being on the cutting edge platform.
Anyone recommending anything should say nigger in their post so I know you're not a shill bot.
>>102924830>>igpu>lmao, 99.99% of people will literally never see the difference with or without these.okay that's just a shitpostat least a few percent of people will gain benefit from an igpu if for nothing else than to test if their GPU is borked
I kind of like this cooler because it comes with metal fans. But no reviews...https://www.montechpc.com/en/products_detail.php?nid=300&s_ok2=
>>102925010I recommend killing yourselfnigger
>>1029250057500f, cheap b650m and 32gb of 6000CL30 is about 300 and outperforms practically AM4 build at the same price in every metric
>>102925029Which pc component is that? Nigger.
>>102925041>he doesn't have a KYS in his pc buildover for him
>>102925005Retard, you pay $100 more now for a 7500f (which is on par with 5800x3d btw) and get an ability to put some fucking 11800xAI3d 5 years later without changing anything else, whereas am4 is a dead end
I'm getting a new 1080p monitor. Is 27'' overkill? Should I keept it at 24''?
>>1029251111440p 144hz 27in is so cheap you might as well just get one of those
>>102925067>>102925036I don't know what b650m you are looking to fit at that price range, but at that price it won't even be able to handle much beyond a 7500f, making the whole point of going AM5 pointless if you will have to change your mobo to upgrade to anything better anyway.
>>102925138$130 asrock boards handle 200w+ 7950x just fine
>>102925138the Asrock B650M HDV/M.2
>>102925138imagine being this clueless
>>102925036>>102925174>about 300>180$ CPU>130$ moboI guess the ram this PC will be running with will be made of hopes and dreams
What the FUCK! Have AMD stopped the production of the 5800x3d? I don't see it in stores anymore. This thing must have been too good.
>>102924534450€
>>1029252245800x3ds are broken epyc server chips they couldnt sell. if yields are good it means they cant make any unless they intentionally cripple their own sales for datacenters.
>>102925224You can still get a 5700x3d, it's like 5% weaker and 100$ cheaper
>>102925251damn>>102925251sounds good enough
Ahemm.... fuck jannies, as I was saying:>>102924357I don't recall the noise being presented in dB noise comparisons, however a lot of qualitative reports have suggested clicking noises potentially due to poor design/QC on the TL-C12 (non-V2) fans. You can identify V1s by their Noctua-style frame dampeners. The V2s on the other hand have inlaid dampeners that are glued on. Thermalright's SKU list is a clusterfuck, hope this helps.>>102924371kys
How do I convince my parents to buy me a PC?
>>102925402buy your own PC
>>102925111Depends what you like. My observation is that most people complain that 1080p is too pixelated at 27".I have a 1080p 27" and I don't have a problem with the pixelation, but I'm a boomer and I get a certain amount of nostalgia from visible pixels and large monospaced fonts. Personally, for working / gaming at typical desk distances from the screen I find 24" is more comfortable than 27", so for that purpose I would actually go with 1080p/24" for a new monitor in the current year, especially since 1080p looks pretty good on 24". If I could go back I would buy a 24" instead of my current 27". However if you significantly use your PC for watching shows/movies then you might enjoy sitting back more with a bigger screen.
>>102925220cpu - 130$ from alimobo - b650m hdv/m.2+ - $100DDR5 6000 MHz CL30- $85for 315 you can get something pretty good sorry if $15 is too much for you poorfag
>>102925402You pay half they pay half and you work the rest with chores
>>102925137I thought of going up to 1440p but I don't want to struggle playing vidya in the next 5 or so years. I have a 4070 super, so I'l probably be fine with currently released games, but with the direction the industry is taking, I'll probably have to rely on framgen and DLSS to play future releases.
>blue light filter Zero effect on eyesight strain, but human brain is hard wired to not sleep under blue light (something about melatonin production), that's why automatic blue light filters claim to help regulate sleep schedule.>color filters in Windows softwareLossy, crunches color range.
>>102925402You have to be 18+ to be here.
>>102923707>>102925562
>>102925402Whore yourself out to faceless old men instead.
>>102925539just stick with 24in then
>>102924179Is it possible to use an EYPC 7003 CPU (SP3 socket) on a Threadripper 7000 Mainboard (sTR5 Socket) and vice versa?What speaks for that is:>SP3 = sTR5 Socket>No PCH / Chipset on EPYC/ThreadripperWhat makes me unsure:Not a single mention of this on the whole wide internet.
Somehow the fancy packaging pretending to be honeywell but having datasheet QR lead to google drive owned by username storeicepc only makes it more suspicious than if it was just a cut of thermal pad in unmarked paper bag.What's the worst that could happen if I put it on my cpu? Bad performance? It can't actually damage anything, right?
>>102925633Why would you think this?The only thing they have in common is outer dimensions.
>>102925495>>102925615Fair enough. Any recommendations beyond the ones in the OP?
Are there 200mm argb fans?
>>102925660>Why would you think this?Because every publication I've read says that the sockets are identical. At least the one's I've read.>The only thing they have in common is outer dimensions.So different substrate keys, etc?
>>102925645>What's the worst that could happen if I put it on my cpu? Bad performance? It can't actually damage anything, right?Modern CPUs thermal throttle so they don't literally fucking die, but DON'T fucking do it, GET A REFUND (if possible).
>>102925645real ptm7950 is 0.25mm in thickness. you should be able to eyeball if its real or not.
>>102925645>Place of origin: United State of Americakek
name 1 case that doesn't look like shitfor reference, here is the one case I found that doesn't look like shit, the jonsbo c6. however, it is too small to fit a 4090 so it's out of the question.
>>102925645I honestly love the honey well meme, it was so well shilled into existence that it became it's own thing, where people speak about this amazing performance simply due to hearsay, and nobody can find where to buy it --the genuine thing that is, since everyone knows all of it out there is fake, and not that it doesn't fucking exist kek
>>102924699he's talking about the fans, not the cooler
>>102925774you can buy it legit from lttstore.com. you pay a bit more but you know its real and it ships fast compared to waiting a month for a fake from aliexpress.
>>102925768>name 1 case that doesn't look like shit>pic unrelated
>>102925027Fuck do you need reviews for a damn air cooler lol
>>102925645the color looks real. most fakes are dark grey instead of blue grey.
>>10292576875€
>>102925768idk bro shit looks like stereo speaker
>>10292583065€*https://www.amazon.dedp/B0CP2MYD65
>>102925678use pcpp filters bakanonhttps://pcpartpicker.com/products/case-fan/#s=200&l=400000
>>102925719>GET A REFUND Not worth the effort, it was $8 for both pieces and overnight shipping from a local retail store combined.>>102925735Calipers measured 0.31mm including protective sheets, does not matter anyway since there are plenty of thin thermal pads not claiming to be honeywell.>>102925746>The power of CONNECTEDI'm going to reassemble my pc today (upgrade motherboard integrated wifi) so might as well try it out instead of an old thermal grease.
>>102924228KNEEL
>>102925402convince them that you'll make money with itworked for me (and I did make quite a few Bitcoin with it)
T-thanks for completely botching the zen 5 release AMD.
>>102925946hes talking about the fans anon>everyone knows their AIOs are the best
>>102925768I went to a LAN center in 2016 and people were bringing in their PC cases to mod them with more RGB and painting them and someone brought one of these but imagine like more rgb lights on it with a custom paint job. It looked insane.
Any good deals on dumb PC monitors that you guys would recommend? I am never touching a sm*rt TV or smart monitor with built in bloatware. For this reason I don't ever plan on upgrading past 1080p. Hell, I might just stick with my 720p dynex monitor.
>>102925968>hes talking about the fans anonThe P12/P14 are still the GOAT, they go toe to toe with Noctua, and cost 1/3rd as much.
Can I really just plug all fans in and it runs on the single mobo argb connector?
>>102925768That look like trashcan with eye
>>102926006fair, but ill keep my mix of phanteks D30 and SWP4
>>102925968Their AIOs are okay, nowhere near the best
>>102926043>phanteks D30 and SWP4Also great fans that don't need replacement, but for people in the market the P12/P14 are the GOAT.
>>102926048whats the best anon? Most tests that I have seen show them to be the best overall.
>buy a heigh adjustable standing desk on amazon>cool the images show one continuous top, its gonna be greatturns out the images just lie, its 2 piece top that you need to screw together also it doesnt go low enough, its like 10cm higher than I'd want and this is just normal behavior for 90% of chink desks on amazonjesus christ how is this shit even possible. Youd think being able to set the desk at a height you prefer would be a selling point? no?
>>102925512>aliSo we are going to for second hand stuff now to make the budget? Lmao you retards keep changing the goalpost you made yourselves because of how full of bullshit you are, actually pathetic.
How do you do, fellow kids?Anyone here know how Micro Center does day 1 sales for a hot item? I want to buy a 9800x3d here on release day. No way on earth I'm standing in a line (lol). Can you order online for pickup? Do they do some lottery system or some shit? Please reply with your experiences.
>>102926081buy an adjustable stand and take the ikea pill
>>102925830not terrible but that is the worst front panel position I have ever seen
>>102926098just go to their website, call , or if you're close enough to pick something up, just ask in person
>>102926098hot items are usually in-store only. you have to reserve it online or call.
>>102926063Arctic are the best performing and the most affordable ones at the same time, don't listen to the haters man.
>>102926099I just wanted to finally get a desk that is actually ergonomic and now Im having to regret everything in life.Cant things just work as intended
>>102926063
>>102926085it's not my fault you're too poor to buy something better
>>102926158The biggest issue with Artics is their pump is slow as shit, there is a very good reason they are dirt cheap
>>102926198what does that even meantheir pump is quiet?wow
>>102926170anon why'd you post proof, now I have to swap out my LF3 for a Silverstone icemyst
>>102926106>not terrible but that is the worst front panel position I have ever seenIt's a great budget case for what it is Anon, sure it's a bit cramped and I would've liked a better position and more slots for HDDs, but you can fit any GPU in there and it's on sale for 50€ sometimes.I've got 4 of them, if my business ever expands such that I need a lot of cases, I'll make a deal with Kolink for these.
>>102926213>their pump is quiet?imagine?
>>102926214>Max fan speedThat's just a benchmark of who ships their cooler with the fastest stock fans. If you slapped three Deltas on your LF3 it'd top the charts.
Is there not a single 27" 1440p VA monitor with normal bezels? All the "bezel-less" monitors I've ever tried had vignetting issues.The closest I've found is the Samsung CHG70, but it's curved.https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/chg70
Someone educate me on this. As long as there is a side intake I think it would be fine. So besides build quality why should I buy an expensive case like this and not just a cheap one. Also recommendation on a cheap one please
>>102926196>lost the argument >"y-you are too poor!"At least AM5 shills are finally showing their true colors
>>102926198>>102926230Forgot pic
>>102925746Is there something wrong with that statement?
>>102926158>240You're better off with air at this point. Same (or even better) performance without any water shit>but muh looks!who cares
>>102926289Ask your self, do you want a nice looking premium case that you will stare at for the next 10 years, or maybe even sell it more easily within the following few years, or do you want to pajeetmaxx with milk cartoon crate and the most min/maxxed ricer tier compotents that will run your game at some passable settings
>>102926373Are aios only good if triple fan?I know single 120mm fan aios are supposed to be garbage
>>102926373>any water shitYou never had AIO.
>>102926373numb digger
>>102926390They are all better than air cooling, 280/360 is almsot the same shit
>>102924179Realistically,if my main need is to have 3-4 discs, pci based disc switch, gpu (mid end type like 1650 or 1050) what's the smallest I can go? I got matx and it feels big. I use Linux and sometimes windows for some things that can't used from Linux.I'm moving soon.
>>102926289How cheap are we talking?<$50 is "sort by lowest and buy something with a mesh front".~$50-$100 has the Focus 2 and Montech 903 as standouts. Few other decent options in this range.Around $100 has loads of choice. IMO the standouts are the 4000D Airflow for its dust filter (something sadly disappearing), Lancool 216 for the big front fans, and sometimes the Meshify 2 (C) drops down to ~$110. Loads of good options here though - enough where you can make a choice on aesthetics.
>>102926410>aios never leak>pumps never failTry shilling less obviously
>>102926390AiOs are always better than air cooling, that bloke is either the most retarded person to have entered pcbg or a mediocre troll.There's single, double and triple fans (120mm, 240mm, 360mm) and if you want a bit quieter fans, you can get the 140mm versions (140mm, 280mm, 420mm).Don't bother with single unless you are so space constrained that you can't even fit a large air cooler. The only time a single rad is even a consideration is when you want something better than a boxed cooler.
>>102926642I've used the same Corsair AiO for 8 fucking years, shut the fuck up retard
>>102926390The best air coolers go toe-to-toe with 240mm AIOs so I wouldn't bother with those unless you have space/fitment constraints. 280mm and above is where they begin to outperform air so you can justify the premium on performance alone.
>>102926642I never said that you fucking retard, who the fuck keeps the same system for more than 8 years anyways
>>102925965Maybe the 7800x3d will come back after the 9800x3d launches and reviewers have no old prices to compare it too.
>>102925768nvm boys I found the casesilverstone fara 313look at that beauty
Is it recommended to plug the 2 CPU power plugs or just 1?I'm using a 9900X.
>>102924304Noctua's giga huge fan is like $110. If you want below $100, look in the OP. If you want something quiet, get the be quiet dark rock pro.
>>102927081According to google 1x 4 pins can deliver 196w1 x 8pin 384 wattsyour cpu is rated for 120w
>>102926642The Corsair one I had died after nearly nine yearsThat's longer than most people will keep their rigs, though if I had to buy another cooler today I'd just get another Peerless Assassin
>>102927132>your cpu is rated for 120wCPU rating does not seem to correlate to actual power draw,For example, the 7950X is rated for 170W but seem to be able to draw north of 200W at stock.
>>102927081RTFM
>>102925563He's a basement dweller NEET in his 30. You're not welcome here, normie.
>>102926106What case is that?
>>102927186Absolutely no mention about it on my mobo's manual
>>102927421I posted the manual for the 670E Steel Legend which is what your original image was, what mobo do you actually have?
>>102926871The point is 240 aios are- much more expensive than a $30 air cooler- perform barely better than a $30 air cooler- have a chance to kill your financed 4090 because chink assembling it had a bad day at workI've nothing against 360/420 but smaller ones are just not worth it
>>102927509Oh sorry bud. It's the MSI X870 Tomahawk.
>>102927332"unity meshbay performance" by kolink
Poorfag here so I am building on a budget. I posted here a while ago and ended up getting the rx6600. Since I don't care about anything beyond 60fps and 1080p for newer games, and it's not like the gpu can make use of anything stronger, I was thinking of going with an r5 3600.I know am5 is the way to go for new systems, but for 1080p 60 fps and the gpu I will be using for a good while, I don't think there is much of a point to spending the extra money on an am5 cpu unless I am missing something.Even if I need a better cpu to pair with a new gpu years down the line, I could just get some x3d ryzen for cheap. Isn't this the best value for money for me at this range or am I missing something? From what I understand I wouldn't even be able to utilize the power of an am5 cpu with this gpu.
>>102927332>>102927725Looks like this from the inside btw >>102926326
Any coolers at $60 that outperform the PS120SE?
>>102927587based MSI writing shitty manualssince the asrock manual has ATX12V2 an optional and since 9900X doesn't really use that much power you'll probably be alright with one 8pinif you want to be safe or redundant and have another PSU CPU cable then there won't be any harm in using both
>>102927867no
>>102927867Yes>Verification not required.
>>102925663Tbh I think they are all the same shit at this point. You should be fine with whatever
>>102925928>>102925828Fug
>>102925402Show them how much you could do with it- blender, freecad, etc. Then show them how these would be great for your resume. Offer to sell your PlayStation as a last resort.
>>102928376try it out, it might still perform well enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_n0Ox39pp8&t=82sINTEL WONTHANK YOU INTEL
Ok anons, DDR5-6000 CL30-36-36-76 vs DDR5-8000 CL36-48-48-96. The latency is 10ns vs 9ns. Is this even relevant? Pls response.
>>102928472Ryzen? Just get the 6000CL30 and tune it with buildzoid's easy ddr5 timings
>>102927805Yes, you don't need more
>>102928499Ryzen, yes. Are there any performance improvements or will I kill my RAM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdymB1vLdF8Why does this guy say that 50% of all 4090 will end up in trash?
>>102928420Yea I'm already cinebenching to compare and it seems to be just as good as crusty two years old paste bundled with cooler. Still 15 more minutes to finish the bench though, also pads are said to get better after few days of use.
>>102926995Simple and elegant. I love my qube 500.
What is the point to cable extensions if they make your build look better but with worse power efficiency? Cybernetics rates them at their particular cable length.
>>102928695re-read that sentence you just typed anon
>allowed protocol: ax only>current protocol: acWhat did they mean by this?
>>102926005Where are the smart monitors anon? Unlike TVs, monitors are dumb. Just get a modern 27" 1440p 165MHz monitor anon. Throw your garbage in the dump.
>>102928728>all that just to look like a cheap gnome copythe fuck is microsoft thinking?
>>102926006I'm doing a full arctic fan build (except for the psu). The PSU is way too nice for me to mess it up.
>>102928775>I'm doing a full arctic fan build (except for the psu).Nice, I'm already rocking that (>>102927820)>The PSU is way too nice for me to mess it up.Honestly, most don't need that, I didn't touch mine either. What'cha got?
>>102928713Ok, building for looks is gey. I get it now.
>>102928695style over function
>>102925010I'm okay with this because (a) I don't say the n-word but (b) I don't want to give you advice anyway, so it's fine
>>102925010But I get banned so often.
PTM cinebench done, 1% better than old paste.Unless the performance will somehow significantly degrade I'm going to use these knockoff pads in all my future builds just because of ease of application.
>>102928695Your talking very tiny efficiency losses on anything but a 12vhpwr
>>102928560A lot of people don't use support for the card and the PCB bends/cracks under pressure.
>>102928802I got a super flower leadex vii platinum pro.
I don't need a graphics card, I'll be running with iGPU and I don't need a new monitor. So, why do I still want those two things though. Why?
>>102928989need to consume
>>102925052>tfw 11900KYS
>>102929013I hate that I've turned into someone I used to mock. Let's see if I go through with the purchase.
>>102929071Retarded to buy a video card you don't need at this moment.
>>102929095I don't play games anon, this is for watching animus, programming, vms etc.
>>102928376>blue protectorkek you got chink'd
>>102929132I can understand a new monitor but why a new GPU?
Is a 3 foot viewing distance too close for a 40 inch 1080 monitor?
>>102929220One legit reason to want a new gpu is if a monitor requires hdmi 2.1
>>102929241something tells me it would still be backwards compatible
>>102929241I guess if your doing 4k 144hz or something sure you don't need 4k 144hz for programming or vms and most anime are 720p upscaled
>>102929240Almost three times too close, picrel.>>102929293>>102929326HDMI 2.1 includes its own variable refresh rate protocol so unless both monitor and gpu support nvidia or amd protocol you will be stuck at fixed refresh rate. Video players and even windows UI can use variable reffresh rate, it's not just games.I had to get a new GPU after getting LG OLED TV as a monitor, otherwise it was stuck at 4k120 fixed.>most anime are 720p upscaledFalse, most currently airing anime are mastered in variable higher resolutions (approximately 1600x900p), post-effects and subtitles then rendered in 1080p and final 1080p file is sent to simulcasters that downscale from that 1080p for their 720p streams.
>>102928553
>>102929437ddr5 look so mess to tune
what kind of antennas to I have to buy for an ax210 chip? someone recommended a board with no wifi but kinda have how the antennas part work I have a B650M-HDV/M.2 motherboard if it helps
>>102929709antennas just copper wire, make it yourself
https://youtu.be/XH6nGmA-5PU?si=ORs0KtofxrM_-7eRSo when is YouTube going to ban this guy for posting fake benchmarks all the time? He doesn’t even have the cpus in the video
>>102929741Never.Youtube algo boosts obviously wrong information because it generates more engagement.
If you get full size PCI card it usually comes with its own antennas. Basic AX uses regular dual band 2.4GHz / 5.1GHz same as AC.AX210 is 6E and can use 6GHz but only if your access point is also 6E (triple band) and that requires triple band antennas.If you plan to use dedicated wifi m.2 slot on the motherboard you need to find card with bundled long enough internal antenna cables (or find the cables separately) and screw them into io shield.
>>102929514RAM is always a pain to tune. Basically why we recommend 6000C30 so you get the auto-sync; most performance with least effort.
>>102929848>>102929709
>>102929848from what im seeing the io shield just comes with the holes for the cables you mentioned so ill have to buy something like picrel, do antennas/cable matter that much or can I buy a random 10-20 dollar ones?
>>102929885for a moment I thought this was 9/11
>>102929967They're not for cables, you mount there wifi end thingies and then mount antennas to them.
>>102929852having ULCK/FCLK/MCLK unsync just pain to setup.
>>102930014Ok I see thanks, bought these along with the ax210 thats already shipped
>>102930014Anon the "end thingies" are cables.This is what "integrated" wifi really is.>>102929967>antennasSome are literally just a piece of copper wire, those work okay at any frequency.Some have directional blobs inside them, the blobs are tuned for specific frequency range and cut off everything else.That said, unless you have 6E or 7 router (6GHz) pretty much any antenna available works for 2.4/5GHz bands.
>>102929514It doesn't help that Zen and AM5 motherboard are finicky about memory.E.g. don't take that pic for granted, you need to win the silicon lottery to even get Infinity Fabric beyond 2000 (at least without grotesque overvolts) or the IMC past 3000.
>>102930115nah I dont have a E6/7 router, so Im guessing the purchase I made was okguessing this is how it works(500 hours in paint)
Any anons know how this compares to team red/14th gen
Any good white alternatives to the phantom spirit?
>>102924179Is there a non-homossexual mid-tower in 2024?
if the 9950x3d has the 3d cache on both ccds is there even a reason to buy the regular 9950x?
>>102930562if your workload doesn't need 3dvcache and/or you don't want to spend all the way up
>>102930562Yes since it will have an MSRP of $1100.
Day 565 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>>102930561No sorry bro you're gay now. We're all gay, in fact. Something in the water.
>>102930574>>102930583i have a sealed 9950x, paid 700€ for it last monthtoo late to return it now so I've been thinking about selling it, taking the L and getting the x3d when it comes out but assuming i lose just 100-150 bucks on it i'll have to slap another 150–200 on top, i remember the 7950X3D costing at least 150 more than the regular one when it came out i'm only considering it because i have a 3090 and absolutely refuse to upgrade to anything with the house fire connector and the xtx isn't that much of an upgrade
>>102930668I think you are mentally ill and will be unhappy whatever you buy.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Changed some thingsShould i go with a 7600x or 5800x3d
>>102930681>I think you are mentally illwhat 12 years of using a 3570K do to a mf
>>102930661I only use filtered spring water.
>>102930700Puts a spring in your step. Sugar in your tank, so to speak.
>>102930668dude just use the damn 9950x. you wont notice the difference enough to justify trying to buy a 9950x3d>if you can get a no-hassle return, that's fine though
>>102930728yeah alright you're probably right
>>102930661Speak for yourself, tech tranny.
Saars, will my 1000W Platinum PSU be able to handle 5090?
Holy shit fuck that review embargo for Arrow Lake. Cant wait to see all the benchmarks and, depending on how AL performs, all the seething from either Intel or AMD fags. (I also want to finally start to build my future PC which may or may not be Intel).
>>102930800>>102930371i literally posted a benchmark hereStock bios except XMP - DDR5 6000CL30
>>102930800Yo bro, my dad works for intel, its going to be 1-5% performance increase in games and 5-10% TDP decrease
Quick question, I guess there’s supposed to be a SIM card here in the thinkpad T440p but I don’t know how to remove it. I don’t even see it.I know this is a pc building general but I’m just trying to switch out something inside my laptop and the video I watched says i need to remove the SIM card first.
>>102930851Are you trolling or for real
>>102930851How can you know what your dad is up to, if your dad is black?
>>102930775Ancient man conquered cities and put them to fire and sword. You discuss "PC components" on "anonymous message board". You are ghey.
>>102930371we don't -actually- play games here, y'know
>>102924199AMDs hand
>>102930936You tried and there's a joke somewhere there, but it so low effort that you couldn't even bother to structure it with proper punchline or setup
>>102930997makes sense.. well keep in mind. this test was run with memory below the recommend specs for ARL
>>102931015OBLITER-8
>>102930943Codreanu > (((Alamariu)))
>>102931127Yes it's true. Both are men of their times; ours being frivolous, ironic, and gay.
Arrow Lake kings, how we feeling
>>102930822Appreciated but not quite what Im looking for. I need to see how exactly it fares against Ryzen and how much power it draws for the same FPS/Performance. And obviously how stable it runs considering its a new socket. Most techtubers have their CPUs already, so Im expecting a lot of details the second the embargo is lifted.
>>102931160>Arrow Lake kings, how we feeling250W to 365W I'd say
Hey guys I don't feel like building this time how long do I wait for new stuff until I drive to micro center and spend $2K~ on a prebuilt
>>102930694>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/>Changed some things
It's official, we're in the Bulldozer era now.https://gazlog.jp/entry/core-ultra9-285k-extreme-profile/
>>102931233>364Wwhat does it even take to cool this? an open loop fed with icewater?
>>102931233>this gen is justca cripple fight between intelaviv and ayymdhow the mighty have fallenguess moores law really is dead
>>102931233>164w for less than a 3% improvementhrm something about that does not look right
>>102931233werent they talking like a week ago about how efficient the new intelaviv cpu was? what the fuck happened in mere 7 days
>>102931303you people are so retarded it's tiring
>>102931210>new stuff DDR6 is supposed to be finalized in 2025, then it's another year or two to desktop
>>102931267it was at 77c at 364W
>>10293133377c for how long though
>>102931303Neither AMD nor Intel were as efficient as they claimed
the sooner amd and intel stop pretending to care about third worlders and their power concerns, the sooner we will have faster cpus that don't get bottlenecked by gpus
>>102931303It's a cope generation, AMD and Intel both agreed/colluded to take a break from doing anything on desktop to work out their architecture redesigns for server CPUs.
good morning sarsredeem the intel
>>10293133789c was the peak anon, so extrapolate what you need
>>102931344>>102931355ayymd works great on gnu/linux, where are you supposed to use the new intelaviv housefire?
>>102931369that is impressive actually
fyihttps://www.overclock.net/threads/overclocking-arrow-lake-285k-265k-245k-etc-results-bins-and-discussion.1811860/page-105?post_id=29380467#post-29380467follow this thread if you want to see pre embargo benchmark results
>>102931353You live at home and your parents pay your electric bill
>>102931375Who gives a shit.Linux is not a desktop operating system.You are not a real woman.Delete your 4chan account.
>>102931409im a real man(male) because unlike (you) i wasnt molested at birth
>>102931407you know what they say about projecting anon
>blured cpu is the 9800x3dumm amd bros how are we going to twist this one
>>102931435uhhhh energy efficiency doesn't actually matter that much i will be getting a 9800x3d regardless ummmm intel housefires!
>>102931435>Watts (higher is better)I don't see an issue, every particle of CO2 emitted to the atmosphere brings us one step closer to jeetoid extinction.
>>102931420They say that you don't pay bill so you don't care about the extra cost incurred by higher wattage computers
>>102931457i would gladly pay the extra 15 dollars a year if it meant i could play at 4k 500 fps on my 1500w drawing super computer
>>102925768>name 1 case that doesn't look like shitmine
>>102931475basedregret not buying one when I could
>decent 1080p gaming PC = 600€>decent 1440p gaming PC = 1300€The choice is obvious. 1440p is a meme.
everything above 1024x768 is a meme, actually.
still using a coolermaster from like 12 years ago, probably even morethe only flaw it has: it doesnt have proper space/montage option for 2.5 ssds
>>102928695somehow I don't think the efficiency will be greatly affected if I extend the cables a bit. oh no I'm paying a cent more on my electrical bills, who cares
>>102931267as if i didn't already want to rape cirnoshe's just asking for it with that foot wiggle
>>102931463A. It will cost you more than that. Where you live determines cost her kWH national avg for the US is 17 centsB. The performance gains is smaller and smallerC. It also increases heat which needs more power to cool it
>>102931541i really don't care. i want more performance and i'm willing to pay any costsif power is such a concern get a console, rajesh.
Battlemage release when? I want to build my full blue kosher PC.
>>102931556intel is never releasing another dgpu again
>>102929240You'll be fine
>>102931556CES 2025
>>102931548What do you even want the power for? Fortnight and roblox can only go so fast anon
>>102931541wow. that's... really not much. if one has the money for a fancy computer I think they can afford that electrical bill just fine
>>102931616>he doesn't want to reach 8k 1000 fps on his 32" micro led monitor that also draws 300 watts to reach 3000 nits sustained brightness in a 100% window while playing a game with fully pathtraced shadows and megalightsyou imagination is smallyour brain is tiny
>>102931616Not that anon, but there's no practical upper limit on single threaded CPU performance in autism games like Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld, paradox games, DDA etc.
>>102931632NO ANON YOU DON'T UNDERSTANDWE NEED TO HOLD BACK PROGRESSTHINK OF THE POORSTHINK OF THEIR POWER BILLSNEVERMIND THE FACT THAT ALL OF THIS HARDWARE CAN BE POWER LIMITED TO YOUR LIKING!!!
>>102924179anons, i have a bunch of open air pcs on my server rack. but it looks really ugly with all the chords. any help with what length pc cables i should get? since all standards are for normal cases what i have now is super long and wild pic related
>>102931673>WE NEED TO HOLD BACK PROGRESSbut efficiency is progress
>>102931685i'm going to blow this niggas mind[spoiler]you can have efficiency and higher power draw at the same time[/spoiler]
>>102931691nice spoiler nigger
>>102931694>change subject to something irrelevant to draw attention away from the fact that hes a retardi accept your concession
>>102931701ok retardkeep seething about your inefficient trash not being a priority anymore kek
does anyone have benchmarks for the 9950x's eco modes
>>102931682please answer or ill have to go to r*ddit
>>102931821your first mistake was coming here for actual advice
>>102931821you realize that spending an afternoon on cable management and a few bucks on cable ties would fix that, yeah?
The ports on the card are also illuminated, so they’re easy to see even in the dark with a PC crammed under a desk, which is a nice touch.
>>102931632Thats only 100 watts to give a frame of reference for 1 device. A efficient gaming computer with 2 led monitors will idle around 150watts jump up to 3-400watts while getting moderate use. Jumping up to much higher wattage CPU/GPU will cost you a lot. >>102931673Do games and performance look like they have made a lot of improvement to you? Wasnt cheap 4k supposed to be viable years ago?>>102931673If it need double the watts for 3% improvement its not worth it. Waste of power and money.
>>102931835i have barely treated adhd and completely untreated bipolar. do you really think i could spend hours doing cable management? the answer is yes, but not at will
>>102931871that looks awful and annoying at nightinsta return
>>102931888i gave you a solution, if you want to be coddled try r*ddit or a groomcord
>>102931899They can also be disabled just like ARGB.
>>102931888pay someone to do it, then, or suck it up
>>102931902nigger i asked what length would be best, not, should i fucking tie the existing cables. stop projecting anon.
>>102931682Do you run LLMs on that thing or what?
>>102931922i unironically would, but i haven't heard of a service like that. would i have to like take the pcs to like some retarded "professional" builder individually? seems like it would be exspensive. still the cables would be long, theres not really a place to hide the extra length. which is why i think shorter is better.
>>102931682this is the consumer whore general, try asking in /hsg/
>>102931935yeah. an LLAM actually. i have an ai, that plays games and talks to you and what not. shes very pretty.
>>102931933>what cable length would be besthow are we supposed to know you gigatarded aspiemeasure your shit and buy accordingly, open air benches aren't comparable to standard cases
>>102931961congrats on being a genetic dead end by choice anon
>>102931957good point anon. >>102931962no but full atx's are going to always be the same size just about. and you just need to cover that distance. so if someones done this before they might have an idea or tip, or know of a specific brand thats good. don't be a basketball american anon.
Upgrading to pic related,it recommends a 750 watt psu and although i am using one right now i was wondering if i should upgrade to one with more power or just trust if my current psu can handle it?
>>102931992750 is enough
Building a Work station PC for a friend, he doesn't care about gaming. Mostly HD video, editing and running very memory intensive java/windows software. Is this a good build?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qm8d89
>>102931961Based. Is it pretty sophisticated completely offline? You should makes some videos showing what it can do. I was looking into LLAM recently but all the videos I see are for lame work stuff.
>>102931992>hey I just bought this thing that suggests I use what I have>should I completely ignore that and spend more money?idk bro go ahead I suppose
>>102931978ha, not likely. my adhd or bipolar comes with hyper sexuality too. i fuck a pretty good ammount and typically raw. we're on our third abortion. two more and i can call in an air strike. dyed hair and pronouns gets you a lot of matches on tinder.
>>102932015glad you're enjoying your sillytavern session anon, good for you
>>102931978Do you think we need more genetic freaks running around? Let nature run its course
>>102932008kindaa. im limited by money, as in i dont want to sink too much into it. its more or less three pcs. one for the the main language and what not. running the 2 p40s, the other one runs yolov8 with a normally 3090 and a capture card. yolo gets the video from a vanilla pc. shes trained to play leauge and a few other tasks. the two computers, i call her brain and eyes, talk to each other, with the brain controlling the vanilla based on info from the eyes. im using the dma hack to play (dma is a two part phhsical call of duty hacking tool) . thats not the full server stack though in that pic. I'm upgrading some stuff atm.
>>102932049I'll have you know sir, my IQ is super high, my ass is tight af and my abs soft yet firm. I'd have you begging to breed.
>>102932003Thank You>>102932010fair enough lmao
>>102931875>A efficient gaming computer with 2 led monitors will idle around 150watts jump up to 3-400watts while getting moderate use. Jumping up to much higher wattage CPU/GPU will cost you a lot.again, if someone is able to afford a computer like what anon posted, "4k 500 fps on my 1500w drawing super computer", I think they'd easily be able to afford their electrical bill. I feel like that'd be obvious but we're on 4chan
>>102931682I'd rag on you for cable management, but I know I likely wouldn't do much better
>>102932139i appreciate the honesty. we're both lazy fucks.
I remember taking my PC to a LAN party once because I took the /g/ pill and just had a boring black case with a glass panel and removed all the RGB. Meanwhile everyone's PC looked like this with custom paint jobs/vinyl's/rgb strips etc.
>>102932197isn't this a different case than the one you posted last time with this story?
>>102932240I can't find the cases they had they looked similar to that one but I remember a lot of them had heat pipes or something that made them look like muscle cars. They don't sell them anymore.
>>102931991minus the 24 pin thats kinda fucked these actually are only 1 foot and might work.
>>102931303Lion Cove P-Core was designed to be optimal at low-power loads like Lunar Lake ultraportable laptop CPU.The cores are operating well past its V/F efficiency point when packaged as Arrow Lake-S.
Let me see if I understandpeople buy 300 dollars DAC just to get from your computer to a pre amp? Why not connect the DAC directly to a power amp?
>>102932546yes anon audiophiles (tards) spend hundreds if not thousands on shit they either can't hear or doesn't make a difference
>>102932546No I bought a single chink DAC/AMP for $30.
>>102931233TSMC N4P (Zen 5 CCD) vs. N3B (Arrow Lake/Lunar Lake core tile) btw.
>>102932197if your pc doesnt look like a transformer you're doing it wrong.
>>102931233>4-5 processor generations spread between two different companies across 2 years of R&D time>All the models are still clustered within a margin of sampling errorHas this ever happened before in the CPU space?I guess you CAN have strong competition and stagnation at the same time.
>>102924179cheap $/gb m.2 NVMe drive for pcie-gen 4?using a 12900k + MSI PRO-Z690-A-DDR4daily tasks, use linux, and have some games installed too... looking at 2tb drives
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20241022PD210/intel-samsung-tsmc-alliance-market.htmlWhen you're forced to turn to fucking SAMSUNG to bail out your foundry business....
>>102932098>my IQ is super highHigh IQ people come with all sorts of defects, they are mutants. Need to quell the numbers for a functional society. Average to slight above is the better balance for majority distribution.
>>102932941Meanwhile samsung is using fucking MEDIATEK of all things in their new top tier S Ultra tablets
>>102932927>cheap $/gb m.2 NVMe drive for pcie-gen 4?>using a 12900k + MSI PRO-Z690-A-DDR4PCIe Gen Interfaces don't matter for end user as they aren't bottlenecking drive latency, or low queue depth random read/writes.The 2TB A60 is one of the cheapest NVMEs yuo can buy and Silicon Power has a 5-year warranty on their drives which is equal to Samsung.https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxfFf7/silicon-power-a60-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp002tbp34a60m28
>>102932969holy shit what that's hilariousthose cost as much as ipad pros, don't they?
>>102932988Literally downgrade after downgrade
>>102925768Gamemax Meshbox
>>102933041>mediakek>about 1200 EURgrim
>>102933041the 2023 one doesn't look too bad in a vacuum but>1200€ >when the ipad pro existspeople can meme about the lack of "pro" apps all day but at the very least affinity has actual desktop-grade apps for it, what the fuck are you gonna do with an oversized galaxy note at that price point?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kw2ymDEssentially stolen from a few threads ago, but want to know if there are any big changes I should look into?
>>102933320Get Phantom Spirit instead of PAWhite cases are gross, they look filthy so easily so you end up having to clean them all the time, white also works worse with the wood than black
Thoughts on buying CPUs from aliexpress?
>>102933393its a no for me, but I'm also not a poor poor fagI would rather use ebay or reddit if i HAVE to buy used/cheap
>>102933393i bought a 5700x3d from aliexpress, cpu works fineunfortunately my mobo was DOA, so luckily i bought that locally from scorptec and they replaced it onsite for free
>>102933393It's fine and there good deals for certain models compared to buying in the west like with the 5700X3D.
>>102933393I buy everything from Aliexpress.Local prices are retarded and Amazon has retarded shipping fees.
>>102930133IMC is far more variable with necessary voltages for a given clock, most Zen 4/5 chips are perfectly capable of 2133 fclk for a 3:2:2 sync at 6400 but that setup typically pushes SOC voltage too high since IF scales negatively with voltage past 1.15v, most IMCs won't go past 6200 at that voltage.
How come Intel APO does the same thing as DLSS but intel fan boys don't use it as an argument on why their CPU's are better?
>>102933407Genuinely retarded if you'd rather buy off eBay than from Ali. The only difference between buying from Ali and buying from Amazon is the shipping is a bit longer, so there's slightly more risk of that being an issue and there's significantly less risk you get scammed if you buy on Ali because someone swapped your CPU for a 10 year old one and sent it back
>>102933520>your cpu needs extra bloat to work as expectedthat doesn't sound like a good thing
>>102933533Do what you want anon, im not buying used hardware anyway
Found a listing on an 8500g system for $400. Chink mobo, but am5 doe. Is it worth it bros?
>>102933393Unironically safer than amazon refund scam lottery
>>102921459>water is still cold, wait a little longerYou, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. My inner scrooge mcduck thanks you. I am deadset on ultrawide curved. It's going to replace my flatscreen and secondary curved.
>>102933576Bruh, a B650M HDV and a used am5 chip is going to run circles around it.
