How to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide>EQ Guide (Measurements, Targets, Equalizer, etc.):https://rentry.org/IEM-EQ-Guide>/iemg/ Proto-Blog/Wikihttps://rentry.org/iemgazette>Frequency Response Graph Toolsquig.link>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (Harman) - $35• TRN Conch (bright V) - $35• Kefine Delci (bassy neutral) - $75• Simgot EA500LM (bright V) - $90>Bullet IEMs:• Final E500 (dark) - $25• Tanchjim One DSP (neutral) - $30• Etymotic ER2XR (neutral) - $100>Flathead Earbuds:• Blue Vido (warm) - $5• Faaeal Iris 2.0 (warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• FiiO JA11 - $15• Fosi Audio DS2 (CS43131) - $57• Tanchjim Space - $90• Tempotec Sonata BHD Pro - $90• Qudelix 5K - $110>PMPs:• Shanling M0s - $100• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120• HiBy M300 - $200• Hidizs AP80 Pro-X - $200Previous thread: >>102839318
heart my sliivo
>>102931843many such cases
Real previous bread: >>102905765
>>102931071jp anon, have you tried any of the jijujet tips? im hoping someone can say whether they're a meme or not
>>102931901Shartman has thin and cold sound, its bass shelf is not just tucked but a sizable range of frequencies above 200Hz is actually recessed which eliminates the whole warmness from the sound, it shouldn't be surprising that even a cheapass 1DD sounds fuller and more pleasant, it's because it's warm
>>102931964Yeah I was the anon who bought them a while back. They are pretty much a meme, but they change the sound a lot. I'm sure there's something out there that would sound good with them, but they'll ruin any competently tuned pos for sure.
>>102931839sexwith miku
>>102931901>>102931977Shut up, rat.
>>102932023You still like them Origins?
>>102932023Thanks anon, lmao that graph just makes me want em even more, no idea treble peaks can shift like that
>>102932718looks like the fucked up tips create a very shallow seal, completely shifting the peak to ~7khz. amazing jap engineering, can't wait to see more
>USB-C DACs:>• FiiO JA11 - $15>F**O in OPthe iJeet curry SINAD spammer anon aka dumbzo actually swapped it for a buggy chink DAC instead of sticking with a $9 dongle from a multi-billion dollar company backed by the best R&D on the planet to make it transparent and the most power-efficient dongnext op pls fix it
kz bros... i don't understand this new one
itoddlers...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2ftaiP61GY
>>102932948>NOOOOOOOOO LEAV MUH HECKIN BILLION MDOLLAR COMPANEE ALONEyou're both faggots, but you guzzle the cum and call it a milkshake
>>102931843>buying bass scoop shit>buying kzshityou got what you deserve
>>102932023They increase the 5khz which 99% of shittily tuned chifi shouty Harman garbage POS already has like a freaking 12 decibel boost of.To say this is a meme is an understatement.
>>102933558>but you guzzle the cum and call it a milkshakeyes! my main IEM is kelfine delci btw
Are there still any CP enjoyers here?
I'm gay and retarded and have no friends, what does (Harman) mean for the EPZ Q1 Pro? Also, what's the difference between the regular and pro aside from the color?Also, do you guys use the stock cables included with your IEMs or do you use different cables?
>>102934268>what does (Harman) mean for the EPZ Q1 Pro?https://rentry.org/IEM-EQ-Guide#harman-in-ear-target-711-5128 but OP is a graph noob too, this set isn't truly Harman (clean bass shelf and 10dB ear gain peaking at 3k), but just a generic V-shape chifi. >Also, do you guys use the stock cables included with your IEMs or do you use different cables?It depends on the IEM. Gate is pretty good but others may suck then a swap is nice.
>>102934268>do you guys use the stock cables included with your IEMs or do you use different cables?Stock, unless the cable is hideous or I want to use another connector, there's no reason to change it.
>>102931839My wife Miku
What's /iemg/ listening to?
>>102935009still sounds good, rather impressed by how timeless it feelshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JkIs37a2JE
What does /iemg/ think of KZ?
>>102935320Variable. Like most chifi brands, they throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. So sometimes they make something great, but they make a lot of mediocre stuff too.
>>102935320>forefront of the chifi revolution starting in 2016-2018, resulting in a massive presence amongst consoomers>99% of catalog is outdated>innovated and pioneered the "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" method>decent build quality considering the price>impressive channel matching >scummy behavior since way back, amplified by recent scandalsthey're fine, the quintessential chinkfi brand. good if they're the only things you have access to, but never the definitive go-to option
I took /g/s suggestion on IEMs, could you guys give me a couple options for a portable music player?
i live in a really dry place and foam tips irritate the hell out of my eczema. what are the best non-foam tips would you recommend instead
>>102935397check op guides>>102935428you want very smooth, non-sticky tips that will exert minimal pressurecertain types of spinfits are good. tanchjim abp is pretty smooth. divinus velvet are too smooth for metangzu sancai has medical grade silicone if that matters to you, and this weird texture, check it outa lot of the tips in the op guide are pretty good, props to whoever is in charge of that list.
Measured the Nuon Clear and Coreir tips on Gate. They're both in the "tips that change the sound" category. I noticed the Coreirs measure very similarly to the Softears Ultraclears which are slightly narrower bore and obviously don't have the metal insert. The Nuons don't measure like any of the other tips which were omitted. I averaged all the standard wide bore tips that measure nearly identically in this graph to declutter things, that includes the Sancai Wide Bore, Spiral Dots++, Divinus Velvet, Feaulle H570, and the stock tips that came with the Gate. >>102932404Yeah origins are great. Still my go to cheap DD.
>*dethrones Space Travel as the cost benefit GOAT*Sorry, Moondrop, looks like I won't be going for the anime option this time.
please help me justify my weird POS purchase
>>102935590pics now bitch
>>102935590>staxzo /iemg/ editionplease kys before you get tinnitus and infect us
>>102935603i haven't picked up the package yet. look at this distortion. how is this an estat
>>102935670>d5 higher than d4>d6+ higher than d5holy shit my fucking sides
For non-Android PMPs that use something HibyOS players, can I scrobble those devices with QTscrobbler or is it not compatible?
>>102935670just think of it as analog tubeyness lmao
>>102935670>can't even pair it with an ultra clean dac for techs maximization with the inherent tube amp distortionngmi
>>102935670>micro USB>$3999.999999 + tip for plastic that falls apart when your skin oil melts it eventuallyyou are the double nigger of the thread my friend
>>102935670nice build quality
bros how to get UAPP for free?
>>102935590>Gets before by every IEM over 20$ in both sound quality and build quality Pls be bait
>>102932948take your meds already. I'm sick of reading your retarded deranged drivel.
>>102935590DEAR LORD. I can't even predict what this shit sounds like.
>>102935590Why did you buy that pos...>>102935987If you just need the USB features try hiby music instead, otherwise pirate it.
>>102932948all USB dongles without balanced outputs, along with all phones without headphone jacks, should NEVER be recommended under any circumstances and should ALWAYS be ridiculed along with their dumb retarded faggot users
>>102934216??????????MODSSSSSS
>>102934216Based and out of date pilled
>>102934268what pos would Tomoko use? my gut feeling tells me that she'd enjoy Chu 2 and be delighted with it after moving from her old monster beats headpos>small comfy shells>black shells to blend with her hair color>derpy earhooks will be hidden under her hair but anyway she doesn't give a fuck>strong enough bass>non-bloated mids, a huge step up from deats by bre>clear treble with lots of details and air she has never experienced before>everything of it for just 3000 nipnong yens which is equivalent of a few cans of sparkling coffee
>>102937217She uses beats headpos I think, so probably some normie tier trash.
>>102935009Only real musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVr39DpPPMI
>>102935590can someone spoonfeed me why these measurements speak ill of the KSEhttps://clarityfidelity.blogspot.com/2016/08/shure-kse1500-iem.html?m=1
>>102937457>massive 2khz peak>extreme scoop from 3-6khz>massive FUCK YOU 8-10khz spike
Just got KZ EDC PRO. My Salnotes Zero sounds way worse than these wtf?
>>102937111>looks nice>sounds pretty good>EQs well>supremely comfortable fitWhy should I not use them?
>>102937929I just realized that I fucking hate Salnotes Zero actually. These sound like the thinnest garbage pieces of shit and fuck anyone who recommended these
>>102935009
Is hifi general dead for good?
>>102938463every audio general aside from /iemg/ is dead for good because everyone has started to use pos
>>102938553cyber cowboy website that hosted hifi general oppaste or whatever the name was is down. Any mirrors?
>>102935503qcy shot themselves in the foot these are worth way more than 30 bucks, they could get away with 50 or morealso tws discussion is dead here because nobody here goes outside anyway
>>102935503>wirelessenjoy your brain cancer
>>102937929Wait these 5dollor pos sound better than my HD600 actually. Maybe my brain is broken
>>102938933Get yourself some wireless earphones. You have literally nothing to worry about. You are cancer, and cancer doesn't get cancer.
>>102938933
>>102936056you're sick of facts? keep whining chinkJA11 is embarrassing https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fiio-has-released-the-usbdac-ja11-with-an-initial-price-of-only-9-69rmb-and-support-for-peq-dsd128-pcm384.55160/page-12
>>102938982>Get yourself some wireless earphonesI don't hate music sorry.
>>102939385>Music Lol fuck off>>>/mu/
Reminder to never get the dogshit apple dongles that crackles in 2 weeks
>>102939385tws arent meant for hifi audiofools thoughand still nothing that 100 iq and eq can't solve
Reminder to buy the JA11 and enjoy hiss, distortion artifacts, and a buggy PEQ
>>102939056>>102939727meds. pls.
>poor donglefags arguing againlmao couldn't be us right xistas?t. luna owner (Asano Tanch Edition)
Is there really any difference between 30$ pos and 120$ pos anymore? Seems like it would be mostly placebo no?
>>102939917your dongle is full of mirror scratches lmao
>>102939972There is a difference, just not the kind of difference you expect.
>>102940000w-whats the difference?
>>102939972not placebo, the techs are simply exquisite>>102939989ai>>102940000difference in techs (see above)>>102940022difference in techs (see above)
>>102939989OH NOES, things wear with use! you're beyond stupid.
>>102940096is it possible to hear the difference in "techs"? Wouldn't that be placebo?
>>102940022They weigh more and they distort more.>>102940096Translator's note, techs is when bad.
>>102940104stupid is when you pay more than $9 for a dongle
This is what pure unadulterated S+ tier techs look like, cheap IEMs could never.
>>102940104tell that fraud xista!>>102940105no placebo is possible when the techs are this sublime>>102940130shitty translator, techs == good^2>>102940144good luck getting techs out of that puny dongle
>>102939972If you're comparing against two 1DDs, no. They're sure to have the same timbre, resolution, spaciousness, and treble spikes regardless if the shell's pricier.
>>102940105If the 2 models are both single DD, the pricier one could have better cable, accessories, (sometimes) better driver material, (sometimes) more durability of the tuning filter, then the feels, cheap plastic doesn't feel as good as heavier metal or smooth resin shell with sparkles on the faceplate. Then there's chifi and non-chifi price discrepancy, muddling the waters even more.
>>102939972depends if we're talking about a fraud company or a reputable one, especially when we're talking about the sea of 1DD poswhich is why truthear gate is pretty much goated right nowit mogs pretty much everything below $100 for cost benefit in the 1DD marketthe only real step up is their own truthear hexa which is 1DD+3BAand that's only because truthear is part of the reputable companies that properly implements themthe only reason BA is known for sucking is because you have fraud companies like KZ implementing them like crap
>>102939972The absolute peak is roughly 200$ ish, At that point a 5k$ POS and 200$ POS have identical sound quality, drivers, accessories (made by sonion, knowles, etc), and build quality, there isn't any magic making the kilobuck POS better since they literally use the same drivers lmao
Maximum anyone should spend is $100.>EPZ Q1 Pro>endgame comfort>endgame sound post-EQ>endgame looks (customizable faceplate and shell)Just don't be a retard with the faceplates and put animals or something. Put a cool drawing or waifu idk.
what do you think about otoscopes for scooping out ear wax? in my country there are aliexpress welcome deals for $1. this has good reviewshttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006859007476.html
>>102936588this
>>102940176Absolute state of shitdeze
>>102936588>>102940904Had like 7 different balanced dongles and sold all of them except qudelix. They either hissed or clicked or straight up didn't work. 3.5 only dongles are just more polished.
https://final-inc.com/products/a6000uh oh, this isn't a beryllium driver! $400 for another f-core DUmb 6mm tweak? im not hyped anymore
>>102941130agree on everything but the last. im not going to shit on you, but please read the graphs carefully
>>102941218wtf is fuckore dump?
Why do we care about final audio again?
>>102941588we don't, this is the thread about Chinese IEMs
>>102941588The Aful performer 5, Origins, S12 pro, and Cadenza 4 solved IEMs Final Audio is obsolete
>>102941588When you have taste and money, you stop looking at chink-fi slop.
>>102941754>when you have taste and money you start to embrace horrendous tuningsevery fucking time
>Upcoming Hisenior Iem "Mega5est HBB edition" name changed to "Mega5est Bass+ Edition "more hbb drama i guess
>>102941826hisenior lurks /iemg/, knows that we're the main customer base for IEMs and that we don't like collabs especially HBB
Can /iemg/ give me some coupler advice? which one do I get (model/make etc)? Anything else I should pick up? I have a bunch of IEMs and I'd like to test them and I'd also like to fuck around with mods...Thanks frens.
>>102941904another anon has a list of stores that sell good couplers (like 3 of them)>Anything else I should pick up?apple dongle is the easiest way to connect the coupler. set the mic level to at least 60 (iirc) to avoid sub bass rollofffind the quietest place to measure, place the coupler on something that dampens potential noise (the case it comes in is pretty decent) and off you goonly FR is important. distortion is not reliable if you haven't volume calibrated your coupler, and phase is not relevant. decay/spectogram/csd if you like pretty colorsfor software, use REW. in the measure option, use the sweep and choose a length (256k-1M is the ideal imo)put notes and title all of your measurements. don't be lazy, it can get very messy very fast
>>102941904711 from either "Sounds Good Store", "College Shop Store" or "Interesting Idea Store" on Aliexpress. That is the most common standard and the variation isn't that off considerading the price.
>>102942243TY! I'll order the apple dongle. >>102942340Thanks! Is it worth paying extra for calibrated couplers? I think I read somewhere that it doesn't matter...
>>102942735>Is it worth paying extra for calibrated couplers?calibrated in what sense? the ones that anon pointed out will usually have a calibration file and spec sheet for your particular coupler. just contact them and provide them with the serial# of your coupler. it's a basic calibration based on the transfer impedance of your couplerif we're talking volume calibrated, you have to do that yourself, either with a volume calibrator or a pistonphone. not really worthwhile imo, only useful if you want to have somewhat accurate distortion measurements
>>102941883you joke but there's at least three mega5est posters here, so hisenior might be unironically popular in /here/
>>102943102>three 60 year old boomers using pos with the word senior in its namestill way better than zoomer infestation
>>102942813Got it! Thanks.Any opinion on couplers that have a stand like this? Worth the extra?Also, any other tools/devices I should pick up for making or modifying IEMs? Since I'm buying, I'd like to order everything at once.
>>102943191>Any opinion on couplers that have a stand like this? Worth the extra?depends if you value the form factor. it is usually a bit simpler to use but i feel like the price difference is far from worth it. you're basically paying twice the price for the metal base, the rest is identicalif you want a base for the "tube" coupler, then i think capraaudio has a 3d printable thing you can check>Also, any other tools/devices I should pick up for making or modifying IEMs?first, i'd recommend you read the eq guide, mainly the "personal measurements" section with the insertion depths. that's interesting and will require tips that allow you to measure them correctlyfor actual modding, you can get the simgot diy tuning kit on aliexpress. it has plenty of filters of varying mesh densities, and the size is more or less universal. there are also tuning foams that are useful.these are basic modding options you have. if you want to go a bit further, you can start modding DD volumes, BA tubes and filters, vents, crossovers/electronics, etc, although these require you to open up the iems
>>102943315Thanks fren!I am also picking up tweezers, soldering iron and a DMM. Just so I can replace a DD or a BA. I'll pick up the Simgot tuning kit. Just added it to my shopping cart.Anything else I might need?
>>102943191I have one with the stand, it's pretty convenient, but when I bought mine the ones with and without stands were pretty much the same price.
>>102943955a heat gun or something that will help you open up the iemsalso a spare cable for the iems to connect while you're modding so you can measure without worrying about fucking up any cable you like
Seems pretty neat, shame that it's being helmed by a reviewer.What's stopping use from doing something similar?https://pastebin.com/Z9bvkH2c
>>102944265I think this is kind of useless, I've had small iems that were uncomfortable and huge iems that fit like a glove. Visual size comparisons are only slightly more useful. Comfort is really tricky to quantify in a meaningful way.
>>102944356True for the most part, but more information doesn't hurt, and this isn't limited to just comfort. Tip measurements are already given by manufacturers, but things like nozzle length and width are useful for tip compatibility in extreme cases, and also for giving a very rough feel on how much an IEM will be sticking out.
>>102944137>when I bought mine the ones with and without stands were pretty much the same price.Right! Is it me or is everything skyrocketing in price? I was looking at my Order History on AE because I wanted to buy another HDMI cable and the price was ~40% higher now. Same cable, same length, same store etc. It's 40% more in about 7 months of time.>>102944162>a heat gun or something that will help you open up the iemsOK! I have an old heat gun that I used to strip paint off old windows. I think it still works. >also a spare cable for the iems to connect while you're modding so you can measure without worrying about fucking up any cable you likeAhhh... OK! Excellent! Will grab one. I'll also grab some wires too. I'm guessing 26AWG should be thin enough.If anyone has any other ideas/opinions/suggestions, please let me know! I love this hobby. I plan on writing a blog with some of the findings so others can gain something from this too.
>>102944544don't buy one if you have a spare lying around. if not find the cheapest 2pin one you can find as they will fit most connection typeswhile you're at it, you can try getting a few spare drivers, they don't cost much. just beware that BAs are relatively much more fragile than say a DD>I plan on writing a blog with some of the findings so others can gain something from this too.sounds good, and editorzo (for the iemgazette) will also probably include whatever you post too.
Any of you bough kz prx? Ordered them with moondrop freedsp since they cables always suck. Got them for 50usd, did I fucked up? I'm a newfag so I don't know shit but planar sounded nice.https://kz-audio.com/kz-prx.htmlhttps://moondroplab.com/en/products/freedsp
>>102944628Oh I think I fucked up big time, it's 0.78 pin on dsp and 0.75 on kz. Is it over or will they fit?
>>102944628Yeah I bought them along with some other planars to compare to the 64 Solo. The QC is really shit.
>>102944628>prx>freedspprobably the most retarded thing i've read this half of the year, i can't breathe
>tfw couldn't enjoy my sliivo today because this big gyat girl wanted to go back home with me and I had to talk to hear instead of listening to real music.Sitting at home listening to music on my pos instead of my open gyat headphones. Using IEMs at home is insane...
>>102941218It's a bullet IEM driver no idea what theyre smoking, albeit a very good one >>102944660Dont worry, chifi manufacturing tolerance is ±0.2mm anyways
Ok here's a flash review of the TRN MT5 after using it for 3 days (too lazy to set up a photo shoot, maybe later).Fit/Comfort: Good, lightweight shell that is thinner than average but not by much, with a short nozzle that has a weird stub on it (instead of a "hard" lip). Haven't had any major clogging issues but I'm not confident . Looks nice and plain.Sound: Surprisingly good. Using tips for deep insertion; treble is relatively smooth, maybe a minor peak here and there. Not missing much in terms of treble information/resolution, but I'll check thoroughly later. This actually reminds me of the Wan'er but with more treble. While bass seems to be more, it is very lacking and needs a sub bass boost to bring back some rumble and body. Channel matching is good (the very small imbalance in sub bass is not really noticeable), distortion is also far from an issue.Conclusion: It's good, really good. I'm not spending too much time on this because it's just another IEM that performs well, but it is commendable that a well-built, comfortable, and good sounding IEM can be had for around $5. I'm keeping these in my rotation for a while and will update if there's anything new that pops up.
Not a horrible set for 5-10$ but why tf they make it so bassy?
>>102945804Who cares its another slop kz release in the same horrible plastic shell.
>>102945490Nice man. looks like it graphs very similar to the orca. I was always on the edge of copping that set…i might do so now it looks better than orca aesthetically
>>102945490Where's the advertised LCP DD lol
>>102938309BASED
>>102938309>Godspeed You! Black Emperorholy shit! had no idea they released an album. It's been such a long time since their last one. Holy crap. Gonna go and listen.
>>102945804You do NOT talk about KZ in my thread!! Im trans AND I HATE KZ
>>102940415>the only reason BA is known for sucking is because you have fraud companies like KZ implementing them like crapAbsolutely this. BA haters tend to be people who bought pos all-BA sets or hybrids with bad coherence issues. BA can be good, but shitting them out with minimal effort produces worse results than with DD.
Do i really need a dac for iems? Im planning to buy the simgot ew300 hbbs as my first pair of iems and im definitely overspending a bit on them and don't want to spend more on a dac/amp.I know jackshit about audio and neither am i anal about sounds. So im wondering if i can run them on my phone/pc/laptop without much issues, the one im most concerned with is hissing.
>>102946062Basically the same looking at other measurements. I was actually tempted by the Orcas a while back but was put off by the looks just like you.>>102946179Didn't realize they advertised it as LCP, that's weird.
>>102947530truth is is that BAs should only be used in specific situations. BAs are just not great in most metrics. their only redeeming quality is that they are easy to implement and can bring finer changes to fr if implemented properly, which most products and brand don't>>102947595not really. if you do hear hiss or whatever, then get an apple dongle for a quick fix. if you're in the EU, the volume is cucked in half (and another half if you're using android devices) so it's not ideal but it will get the job doneyou can try the fiio ja11, but there have been tons of reports about it distorting, not working, etc. so there's that.
>>102947595You don't need it unless you hear audio problems. Plug into your pc and try it out. You might need a dongle if you plan to listen on your phone
>things people do to avoid EQing a 1DD
>>102947595Most sources are way too hissy for most iems, but if you don't mind you don't need a dac.
>>102931839Tangzu Wanner,KZ castor, Chu 2Which one should i pick?
>>102948290Do you live in a humid area? If no, then Chu2
>>102935009eat me
>>102948290Between the Wan'er and Chu 2, both are decent, but I had problems with clogging with the Chu 2. KZ Castor people seem to love but I remember not being a fan of it.I'd love to recommend the MT5 (see my post >>102945490) but it feels too early and I don't know if there's going to be a problem so I say just keep an eye on it for now.
>>102946774nta but its their best in a long time, fuck israel
>>102948548Sadly i do :(
>>102948290EDC Pro is the best budget
>BD means "Brain Dance" according to Mr. Sleepy
>>102948817Based. Hewlett's Daughter is my favorite off that. That also reminds me, I need to buy batteries for my CD player :^(
>>102948927your brain will be dancing to the tinnitus lmao
Oh, I still really like this for those wondering. Still the best fitting IEM I own.
>>102949140Thanks for the info. I was really wondering about that. Enjoy the Final R EQ whatever it is!
>>102940415>>102947530Nobody means KZ slop when talking about BAs, their BAs don't even make any sound. Hexa is a showcase of everything wrong with BAs and a wakeup call for the stock tuning is everything people.
>>102948961There's a subdivision near me called Crystal Lake that I have to drive past when I go to the clinic near the county hospital, so every time I have an appointment there I'm reminded to listen to it later. I thought I'd taped that from the CD, but it turned out to be from the record.
>>102949253True, the Cadenza 4 is just a Hexa with good drivers
>>102948290Wan'er is best all rounder, Chu 2 for fun tuning
>>102938976EDC Pro actually has a bass response.
>>102938976Sennheiser, and to a lesser extent grado are responsible for an entire generation of people who think a headpos or IEM shouldn't produce sounds under 300hz lmao
>>102938126all you're hearing is nigger tier mud from the KZ pos unless you're doing something wrong, not getting a good seal from your eartips, or your nozzles are clogged with moisture/wax
>2024>booming industry>thousands upon thousands of POS releases in every configuration imaginable>still no POS as light and comfortable as picrel, released over a decade ago
>>102951314get over your brain rot and try something new for once
>>102951314Cable down is a newfag trap, for longer periods of time cable over ear is more comfortable.
>>102951543I have, they're all heavy and oversized because they need to fit le ebin triple quadruple POS drivers inside. Even the cables are heavy, because they're still trying to subtley push the double braided thicker cable = better sound or some shit meme>>102951612I wear glasses
>>102951653Bullet IEM section in OP.
>>102951653>glasses wearerlol maybe try rerolling fag, you got shit rng
>>102952178Post chin
>>102952285bro actually got upset lol
>>102950971Kek I fell for both memes. I have Grado rs2e too. I did listen to HD600 again and yes these are still better than KZ but it really opened my eyes to how easy it is to fall for the higher price == better gear
>>102952477Nah, just putting a zoomoid shitposter in xer place
>>102952285>>102952564Binoclardes mad lmao
Are there any oems designed more like iems/buds? I can't stand having them in my ear but I can't carry bulky headphones everywhere. It's fine if they don't have the best audio and features, I just need something to listen to stuffMy apologies if this is the wrong thread but I couldn't find anything oem related
>>102951653Like anon said, get bullet iem
>>102952761>OEMNigga you mean earbuds?
>>102952850aren't those inside your ear
>>102952761>>102952888Maybe on ear headphones like ksc75.
>>102952888Showerhead earbuds no. Think of the old ipod earbuds that would sit on your earlobe.
>>102952525>these are still betterIf by better you mean peakier then yes
>>102952979I think those are exactly what I had in mind but I wasn't sure if I dreamt it up or that they actually existed, thanks a ton anon!>>102953197I don't think I've seen that before, don't really know anything about headphones in general
>>102951012not a KZ queer but…>babby doesn’t yet know about 711 bass mismeasurements and IEM bass/lower mid bleed
>>102953472gtfo, harman is even 1-2db bassier than neutral. you need a source and cable with low output impedance, high quality eartips, and either speaker virtualization or just get used to the lack of reverb, in an untreated room you would have excessive reverb so it won't sound the same
https://youtu.be/9VDAdpb0cSoReal music
>>1029482907Hz Zero 2
>>102953923>Harman is 2db bassier than neutralNo it isn’t you faggot. If anything the subbass boost combined with the tranny 12decibel 5khz boost means the perception of lower mids is even THINNER than pure diffuse field much less actual fucking neutral
thoughts on the sony wm1zm2 and the sony ier-z1r for offline on the go music?
>>102953923Neutral is literally no bass boost lmao.Hormon bass shelf brings it in line with your fagwoofer setup but it isn't neutral in regards to flat reference speakers with a room curve or without.
The level of this thread is too low. I recommend joining Apple House Sound discord server for real audio knowledge backed by Stanford Audio Signal Processing researchers.
>>102954814yeah but are they testing KZ pos? no? Not interested then
When did people start calling U-shaped graphs Harman????
>>102954089Gets btfo by a hiby r3 2 + Cadenza 4 power combo
>>102954083AutoEq uses 2db less bass even with the 5khz boost. but yes the upper mids/treble should be adjusted too.>We have preferences for trained and untrained listeners. They mostly agree. A small percentage of the untrained like a little more bass. If you want the trained listener Target Curve turn down the bass 2-3 dB.https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/headphones-and-the-harman-target-curve.17914/post-811447
>>102955109it's laughable especially when the tuning was obviously done according to 4128/5128 diffuse field with room curve rather than harman. some manufacturers have outright stated that they use diffuse field with room curve. nova is highly rated by sharur. monarch mk2 is critically acclaimed, just out of reach price wise for most people and kind of falls apart with its waviness in the upper mids. but in terms of subbass and lower mids, it's very natural sounding.
>>102955158Which has been thoroughly obsoleted by Surfans F20 + Isabelle iem
>get older>start preferring bassier tunings Boomers just have shit taste.
>>102955801Deuce is the best IEM of the year, deal with that
>>102956404You spelled S12 2024 or Cadenza 4 wrong
>1 saved, 6 more to go.Those shitty cable are a pain in the ass to solder holy fuck.Will try tomorrow to put a 2pin 0.78mm female plug into the EX90 to make it compatible with the cable I got from the simgot EW200.Turns out, MMCX cables are dogshit.
>>102956507Holy based
>>102956507good job anon, keep it up>Turns out, MMCX cables are dogshit.they are only ever useful when the rotation is needed for fit (ie earbuds or weird fitting pos)
single ddmax $250has to have bass (preferably midbass), no shout, nice to great treble extensionwhat are my options /iemg/
>>102956821falcon ultra or origin (tilted brighter)
>>102956840shout
>>102956821EDC Pro + Xinhs cable
>>102956872show what you consider as non shouty
>>102935009>>102948746fuck me
>>102956882HBB Hades.
>>102956553>>102956780Thanks.>they are only ever useful when the rotation is needed for fit (ie earbuds or weird fitting pos)I see. Well, they are really easy to break, and the risk that the damage is internal (inside the female plug) is way higher than with the 2 pin, and I want to make those mods because the EX90 driver is super reliable (none of them died, only the cables), so I want to make a "definitive" versions where I just have to switch the cable if needed, and not having to get to solder shit again inside the shell/monitor part.My only issue is that MMCX cables and plug seems way more available in Amazon than 2pins.
>>102957075>2pinpins can get broken and stuck in the socket>mmcxthe socket itself can get fucked up>based Pentaconnliterally perfect, best of all worlds, the only downside is it's not popular
>>102957155>pins can get broken and stuck in the socketTrue, but you can still extract them without having to reopen everything.>the socket itself can get fucked upindeed.>PentaconnActually, I somewhat though about this (not Pentaconn, but making 2 double jack), but realized that it would severely limit my options in the future.I could maybe try for 1 of my 7 EX90 later.
>>102957055you got me lol
>>102956821edc pro.
>>102957226>but you can still extract them without having to reopen everything.How, nigga? You can't glue a <1mm pin and expect to pull it out
>>102956872>two (2) targetsT-thanks for clarifying
>>102958010no, but you can aspire it or use a magnet, even if it doesn't work, you can open the shell and push it out, you don't have to actually take out and replace the plug.
>>102958037>you can open the shell and push it outhave you ever seen a 2pin, nigga? the plastic around the pins won't let you do that and most shells are glued to hell, you'd need to pry it which would leave a dent and ruin the looks of ur iem. stop spillin' crap
>>102958171>have you ever seen a 2pin, niggaYes, I do, since I bought them>the plastic around the pins won't let you do thatpic related>most shells are glued to hellI'm talking only on my specific case, the shell is already open since I'm modding it.
>>102956463>S12 2024It's hilarious how community discourse for that planar ended abruptly once every reviewer had published their shillpiece. "The best planar on the market" my ass - the hype didn't even last a month. The anon who actually bought (lmao) and called that thing a pos was right.
>>102937455Now THAT is real music.
>buy stuff from hifigo>leave 5 star reivew on one of them>gets posted instantly>leave 1 star on one of the others>says it's gonna be under reviewThat's sus.
>>102958959Not surprising, those tactics are par for the course for chink companies. Shenzhenaudio and Linsoul will straight up refuse to send you a review unit if you're part of their blacklist (aka giving a negative review). Meanwhile brand-friendly reviewers get to keep their $700 review units.
>>102959505Boycotting them if they don't post my 1 star and I'll also make sure they're deleted from this thread.
Actually scrolling through their website I'm noticing nothing has less than 4/5 stars if that. What's a real piece of shit IEM that I'd expect to have received poor reviews even on a shill website?
>>102959520Which product did you give 1 star to? O.O
>>102959552You have people in this very thread defending kz slop, I'm sure they do remove bad reviews but the average poszo is retarded.
>>102959571Not doxxing myself in case they're not scum and it goes through.>>102959602I'll knock them out.
>>102959505yeah I'm not trusting any fucking reviewers anymore
>>102959940My guy jay buys his own units for review.
>>102958959Welcome to store reviews. On Amazon you can't even be sure that the reviews are for the product you're seeing.
It fit perfectly, doesn't move an inch, not even need glue lol.Time to solder back to those shit enamel wires (the hard part) and see how it turns out.
Hiby R1 waiting room
what are some good wireless buds in this form factor? picrel are what i currently have but they dont work as well as they used to now only one will connect at a time and sometimes they wont connect at all. budget is 70 USD
Need a bit of glue for the shell to fully go in, but it works.God damn those enamel cables are a pain the ass, holy shit.
I think for the MMCX one I will need to dig a bit more on the black shell to make it fit
>>102961510>>102961480wtf is that snoy model? is it really worth cable modding that thing?
>>102961633MDR-EX90, and yes.
>>102960881>HibyShiggy
>>102961633poor guy has had his ears blown out by the shitty snoys for years, it's already over for him
any good PMPs under $200?
>>102962062Read the OP, fag
Job done with the 2pin 0.78mm, both side are complete.Damn it feel good to hear the EX90 again.
>>102960475>>102961480>>102961510>>102962775woah nice job man. you probably already know this but you can remove the hard plastic sleave at the ear hook if you want it to not wrap around your ear. >>102961633EX90.>is it really worth cable modding that thing?for most people, probably not. anon just really likes the sound of itby most metrics nowadays, it is...very unconventional to say the least
>>102962937Thanks, and yeah, already did it, feel good to have it fall down instead of wrapping around.
>>102962062>any good PMPsno
>>102960881>plastic translucent backdoa
>>102962937Any graphs of this esoteric POS?weird to think about how chinese deaf bastards crank the pinna up to 11 hundred like pic related but in ye olden days a lot of shit actually just had weird upper mids dips and funky treble spikes.
>>102963120no graphs on on current standards, anon found a measurement from way back (2006 iirc) and they were using a 60711 coupleri don't have the eq or fr file anymore, but here's what the site had https://hebiheadphone.konjiki.jp/mdr-ex90sl.html
>>102963120>>102963162and here's the trace on squig.link
>>102945490Ok so I tested it out a lot more thoroughly, and man I'm impressed.First thing I did was change tips. I ended up on something with shallower insertion depth, but with much better seal, which in turn improved the bass drastically; a small sub bass boost is still nice but far from necessary now. The previous tips were very comfortable, but any small jaw movement would ever so slightly break the seal.As for EQ, I didn't do much, just a very small bump around 10khz just to increase resolution. Everything seems to match my hearing perfectly, I'm rather surprised. Compared to other 1DD in terms of sound quality, it is excellent to my ears, and I wouldn't be mad if this was the only IEM I could use from now on.
Going to sleep, so I will explain it tomorrow, but I may have fucked something with that EX90 2pin mod. For some reason, this EX90 become super bass heavy, way more than other EX90.So I don't know if the cable that made this change (which would be weird, since it's the EW200 cable, and the EW200 have almost no bass at all) or if the hole between the 2pin and the black shell (could that hole make the monitor go bass heavy?).Weird.
>>102963460hope you took some pics before doing the mod because you probably fucked up the venting or driver volumes. godspeed anon, godspeed
>>102963477>nting or driver volumesoh? I wasn't able to touch the driver actually, that part is sealed in a weird way, and in my previous attempt, trying to reach it = dead.There is a big gap between the 2pin and black shell, so definitively some "air" get out from it, but shouldn't this actually lower the bass?Well, I will see that tomorrow.>godspeed anon, godspeedthanks!
>>102963460Have you checked the polarity when you were wiring it up? it's easy to flip the polarity with 2pin, or perhaps you didn't seal it very well around the connector or the shell
whats the optimal/best number of a drivers for an IEM?
>>102963820as many as needed to achieve the desired FR while still meeting other design requirements.personally, give me the smallest most comfy pos you have, and i'll use EQ on my end.
>>102963864Yeah, but isn't it true that you can't make a good IEM with less than 4 drivers? A driver per critical region?
>>102935503give me a quick rundown is it really that goodthese are actually in my 11.11 cartpeople are buying them en fucking masse, i hope they're not extinct by 11.11
>>1029638201 planar.
>>102963898depends on what you define as a good IEM. i'll assume you're referring to FR from now on.>A driver per critical region?completely arbritary since there's no definition for critical regions. there could be six, twelve, or one. and one driver per region is also arbritary, why not 2/region, or 1/3region?again, the goal is to achieve the desired FR, and this can be done a number of ways. the result is what matters, not the method to get there.
>>1029638201 or 4 (if hybrid)
>>102963260And here are the results from a bit of quick modding. Seems like foams are ideal for that 5khz peak in case it is too prominent on some units. Didn't notice a huge difference there. However, it seems like the front vent is dropping a good amount of bass. Haven't listened to this last one as the vent blocking was due to the coupler pressing against the tip dome/umbrella and covering the vent. Becomes a bit uncontrolled and has some driver flex and pressure issue. Maybe a light filter will work.
How is this general still going strong when it's all about getting 1 pos, EQ it to something you like and be done with it?Takes like 10hrs at most and then you have nothing to do other than post anime packaging pictures.
>>102964340I get paid per post by Letshuoer to shill
>>102964340Still waiting for Darling 2.0 from my Queen.Perhaps "Fiancee"? Or maybe "Queen"...My dear Asano, please a "Queen" model, I will redeem!
>>102964340I get paid per post by Truthear to shill
Speaking of anime, Moondropped Robbing.This might go out of stock very fast, news has left audiotard circles and has become very popular.
man i kinda want that evangelion hiby r4
>>102963178>negative ear gainlol
>>102954290>Neutral is literally no bass boostit's nothing more than the baselineneutral means DF-compliant, you apply tilt and bass amount to simulate the actual room you're in when listening to speakers, room sizes can vary and therefore in IEM tuning they're up to preferencethe current standard for neutral tuning with all compensations for averaged ideal room baked in is the new meta target
>>102964463Coomdrop really is the Robin Hood among earphone manufacturers, if you get what I mean.
>>102931839Any recommendations for ear tips to use while working out? I have a pair of SpinFit CP100+s, which are perfectly fine for listening anywhere outside of the gym - I find myself pushing/adjusting my IEMs as they tend to fall out as I sweat. I'm looking at the AZLA XELASTICs and they seem promising.
>>102965510gonna tell you right now avoid the xelastics. they're fucking disgusting and deform over time and stay that way on top of being sticky and getting any sort of dead skin/ear dust on them. If you don't mind having to wash them every other day, then they do sound nice. My personal favorite tips are:>tri clarion>dunu s&s>zeos render (hybrid foam/silicon, my fav)>divinus velvet
>>102965510spinshits W1 are grippy and more secure in ear canals than older models
>>102964463Yeah this will be bought out by gacha fags day1.Hopefully they will release it without the collab since it's a completely new TWS.
>>102964463If the collab is 99 bucks then the normla version will hopefully only be around 50.
>go walk outside while wearing iems>all I hear is THUMP THUMP THUMP SCCRHRHHhow do I fix this?
>>102964340Waiting for dongles with PEQ without fiio bullshit.
The humble balanced armature
>>102966211Distorting audio since 1870s.
>14.5mmIs that a new driver? T10 & S12 were 14.2/14.8 respectively
>>102966211Is that the 5BA prebuilt set from AliExpress? What's your plan with them?
Should i buy Kefine Klean?
>>102964283Nice. You basically convinced me to cop a set they’re like $11 for bassy but competent v-shape.
>>102966767If you have coins on Aliexpress, you can get them for around half the price.And again, if you have any other half competent IEM, this set becomes a bit redundant if you're using EQ.
>>102966591Somewhat warm and bassy but not horrible I guess.>>102966842I have gato and with double flange deeper insertion they become quite fantastic even without EQ. But I want a set for shallower insertion that’s more convenient.I like the convenience of not needing software and inputting your own parameters so having just an analog good set plus it works on itoddler shit when I’m at work so…
My ears hurt using EPZ Q1 (however i'm using it for like 8 hours a day). Hated all the stock tips, but a medium size from wan`er sg reduced the discomfort. I think it may be too big? I have no complaints about the sound, (not straight, but somewhat like this)Was thinking on getting one of these to see if i can mitigate the pain, otherwise i'll just buy headphones again and use each for 30 minutes or something. • 7Hz H-07• Audiosense S400• Azla SednaEarFit Vivid• Divinus Velvet• KBEAR 07• Moondrop Spring Tips• Spinfit W1
Speaking of animehttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKF27BXQ
Smallest current Android DAP?
>>102967276
>>102967564HiBy M300
>>102966591Kekfine metal shell is known for its condensationcloggable filter pos, avoid it
>>102965908TWS
>>102965510FiiO HS20
>>102967756Frying your brain isn't an option
will this work properly in epz q1? aliexpress.com/item/1005006414436179.htmlasking because its a 3.5 RECESSED 0.78 pin set
>>102966211What a beautiful Bellsing.*screech*There must be no other driver as pretty as this BA. This feels like a concert.
whats better between the fiio fh3 and the letshuoer s12 pro
>>102967276>another avidiot collab with a v-thothard pass, I'd rather pay extra for something like easy battery replacement
>>102967868>RECESSEDyes it will workrecessed 2pin is the universal connector, followed by normal/flush 2pin, and then every other monstrosity (tfz, qdc, nx7, etc)
>>102965908what IEMs do you use?
>>102965908Etymotic
>>102967901Recently got the Spinfit W1, its a nicer fit than the Dunu and moondrop
>>102967914Thanks.
>>102967564Sony nw-a306 to my knowledge.
>>102967564Sony and Hiby make a tiny android DAP that's about the same size
>>102967901S12 Pro.Better microdetails, smoother sound with less jags/peaks, more air. Less retarded ~4k dip which makes vocals less nasal. Out of those two representants of the W-shaped tonality this is the more refined and perfected one.The FH3 has its own strengths compared to the S12 including much better sound isolation and more punchy bass, but these are simply areas where a DD+BA hybrid will always have an edge compared to a planar, but there's little to no point in buying FH3 when Hexa exists, is noticably cheaper and overall significantly better, unless you really want that W-shaped sound signature.
>>102967985not me>>102967962this has happened with every single iem I've ever owned
>>102968204would the hexa go well with the ifi go link
>how to lose bass
>>102968352sweet mother of techs...
>>102968352>IEMs can sound like a Sennheiser hd600-800Finally
>>102968352>>102968421bass doesn't exist in nature
Any lighter cable replacement? The double braided cables on the s12 is a bit heavy
>>102968510Get the Moondrop Chu 2 and use the cable. Extremely light, tiny hardware, and good handling.
>>102968455I'm not listening to nature, I'm listening to music.
>>102968705Music is natural, silly.
>>102968719Music has bass.
My left Chu 2 started constantly pushing out of my ear and I how no idea why. I've tried bigger/smaller (Spring) tips, but nothing changed.What do I even do?
>>102968719>Has never heard a drum kit once in his life
>>102968729sell it
>>102968455Then explain why animals can hear them.
>>102968792Birds are fucking deaf yo.
>>102968792>hoodrat>deaf below 530 Hzthat explains a lot
>>102968272Works well even with a phone with built-in headphone jack. External amps are more than enough to drive it.
>>102968729it's possible that the earhooks are too stiff and pull the Chu 2 pos out of your ears, in my case the cable with softer hooks fixed that problem, it's Moondrop MC1 btw
>>102963558Polarity? on that thing? I though it would just send whatever signal it come by (if I simply rotate the male 2pin cable and interchange it, it stay the same).For the seal it's possible since I did let a big hole in the back, I tried to close it with electrical tape, still no change.I'm fucking tired of working with those earphone cable, they are so annoying to solder, it's take hours to get a good a result and I'm that close to simply open an USB cable and switch the cable from the driver to the 2pin plug to those instead.I will make another round of test tomorrow (MMCX plug delivery day), I will try to diagnose what make the bass so heavy, will also try an "external" mod to see if the same issue happen with another EX90 without opening it the shell.By curiosity, I will also try to put a EX90 driver inside the EW200 shell and see what difference it does (for science)!
>>102958257>>102958171Why do they even bother with the 0.78 and 0.75 sizes if they are interchangeable anyway? I used 0.78 cables in 0.75 sockets and it worked fine without making them loose with actual 0.75 cables, I've also used 0.75 cables in 0.78 sockets perfectly fine. They're just unnecessarily complicating things. I haven't measured it, but I doubt they're even being made up to these specs with chink measurements and are all just made somewhere in between both sizes.AFAIR there are no genuine batteries being sold for it (at least not anymore) so /csg/ is my only hope.Battery type is EB-BT710ABE / EB-BT710ABA
>>102969344>Why do they even bother with the 0.78 and 0.75 sizes if they are interchangeable anyway?I don't know. I just stick with 0.78 size since those seems more common (both cable and plug).
>>102969287That... might be the case, since I've changed the cable (from the very same MC1, which started losing sound in the right earphone) to the Truthear Hola's one, though not immediately, I think.I'll try some other cable out...
>>102969344>>102969378if they are actually different,i wouldn't be surprised if with their tolerances they overlapped each other
>Can't think of anything to buy for 11.11
It's over sistas, no show baker for this shift...
>>102969863I think I'll get Artti T10 but that's probably it for iems. Might throw in some cable or some more budget iem if it gives a good discount/coupon altogether.
Sayonara...
