intel took an arrow (lake) to the knee hahah

I dont see why people are so upset at the possibly fake review of intel cpu
everyones waiting for 18A anyway

Just wait for panther lake.

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>I dont see why people are so upset at the possibly fake review of intel cpu
everyones waiting for 18A anyway

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Anyone else switched to AMD because Nvidia drivers are garbage on Windows as of 2024

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Anybody build cute llama pcs? 3.1 + loonix + AMD anyone?

It gonna be ok

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>>102940631
Come to loonix anon.

>>102940631
No, my NVIDIA cards work flawlessly on Windows.

>>102940631
yes but moving back next gen

>>102940631
Absolutely not - I don't want Nvidia in my system as I actually like to use my two screens.

>>102940646
Why yo MPOs broken then

>>102940659
Worthless feature.

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kek

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>>102940608
>I dont see why people are so upset at the possibly fake review of intel cpu
The tech reviewer community is pretty close-knit.
If a reviewer gets some insanely strange results, they communicate with other outlets to make sure their benchmark data aren't scuffed.
DerBauer doesn't run many traditional benchmarks anyway.

OC3D wouldn't put that much effort into hosting a botched review on their website.
They've done hundreds of these reviews and they have no reason to put up a temporary article.
It's also way too late to retest all this shit.

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>>102940691
>have no reason to put up a temporary article
Apart from a healthy "donation" by a competing cpu comany of course.

>>102940706
They bribe streamers and other INFLOOENSIRS that attract ZOOMERS.
OC3D is a BOOOMER tech outlet.

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>>102940706
>no you don't get it, they would totally ruin their credibility for a quick buck
nex minit
>AMD has been paying off all the youtubers!!!

>>102940668
But without MPOs you can't enter independent flip model

>>102940715
>>102940726
Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins, ignore frame drops and gloss over the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers with the obvious aim of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing.

>>102940747
so, trust gamers nexus?

>>102940746
Again, a feature that does. not. matter.

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What's the gap between 4070tiS and 4080S?

>>102940747
Userbenchmark never fails to deliver, the clown

>>102940752
About as much as you can trust any of the above, sure.

>>102940686
>>102940691
This is all because of the latency, but they're making improvements with BIOS updates. Out of box latency was over 100ns because of Windows. There are clear Windows issues they need to iron out. Windows enabled Windows Hello for me and was forcing on VBS, even with Core Isolation and all hyperv and virtualization turned off, even in the registry. Until I turned off Windows Hello, VBS was running. So odd. I am now down over 30% on latency with my memory and issues ironed out. This gets it just about 10ns above my 14900KS with fast memory.

But if these reviewers don't see this or test latency, and test games at 100ns+, then yes results are going to be absolutely horrendous.

>haven't looked at monitors in 6 months
>see MSI G244PF E2
Finally something that ticks my boxes

is there any real downsides on AMD compared to Intel? All virtualization technologies work etc?

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Even videocardz has purged this blatantly bullshit "review". Yeah a paid review that is spread like wildfire by AMD marketers sure is legit guiz!

>>102940802
>Just keep waiting® until the product is unfucked
How about no!
Meteor Lake-S was going to be even worse than this abortion lmao.

>>102940811
no, it's 2024

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>>102940823
>i-it was a paid review!

>>102940872
If it was legit videocardz wouldn't give a fuck and would keep hosting it.

>>102940882
it broke embargo and they could get into shit

Factorio scores from this review:
14900K:
282
14900KS:
160

>yeah this guy needs more practice

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>'Chiplets are easy! Just glue the processors together!'
KEEEEEEEEEEEEK

>>102940907
I'm suuuuuuureeeeeee videocardz cares about what intel thinks of them given they don't get review samples, don't get invited to press events and themselves are under no NDA.

why tf did amd and intel both fumble on their CPUs?? is this because of DEI hires or have all good competent workers left to retire of what the hell? moores law is shit it truly seems

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>>102940588
>>SSD (OS drive)
>Budget: SN580

is there any reason not to get the new generation SN5000? for an extra 10$, you get up to 5,150 MB/s versus the SN580's 4,150 MB/s, so the SN5000 is about ~25% faster over the SN580

>>102940942
OC3D just took it down.
They didn't share any comments about the leaked data being preliminary benchmarks and aren't representative to the final review.

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>>102941015
Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake were always going to be a bit messy.
These were their first modern attempt at disaggregated tile design, and the compute tiles were meant to be manufactured in Intel 20A until that thing had manufacturing issues.
>The node change comes after Intel initially demoed a wafer of Arrow Lake processors fabbed on the 20A node at its Innovation 2023 event, which indicated the chips were already far along in the development cycle.
>At the time, Intel said Arrow Lake would come to market in 2024.
>Since then, industry rumors pointed to the 20A node only being used for a subset of the Arrow Lake family, while the remainder would use a TSMC node.
>Now it is clear that none of the products will use the 20A node.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-announces-cancellation-of-20a-process-node-for-arrow-lake-goes-with-external-nodes-instead-likely-tsmc

>>102940769
They share the same chip
4070TiS is a 4080S that lost in silicon lottery

>>102941029
For a boot drive the only thing that matters is it not being a HDD.

>>102940767
It does matter it means you can't use HDR properly

>>102940769
4080 Super is about 18% faster @ 4K, less at lower resolution.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-ventus-3x/32.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super.c4187
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182

There is no panic at Intel.

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>>102941163
>'J-just filler products, it was meant to be this bad.'
Potentially a single CPU generation LGA1851 socket btw.

>>102941191
There's nova lake on it now

>>102940631
Never had an issue with NVIDIA drivers on Windows, but will switch to RDNA4 because I want to jump on Linux anyway.

>>102941213
Sure it does.

>>102941213
more like no va lake

god damnit incel.
i am really thinking about jumping the fence to red side :(

How good is a 6700xt/5600x these days? 1080p/144hz

r/intel is on full copium hahahahahahaha

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Meanwhile...

I was going to get a r5 3600 for my budget build but I saw I can get a i3 12100f for the same price, only it's a bit more powerful and apparently eats a good deal less power.
Problem is that with AM4 I can get a 80€ board with pretty much any feature I would ever need and with good enough heat sinks to run any AM4 chip.
With lga 1700, at that prince and even a bit higher, most of the boards aren't only completely barren of the same connectivity but I am even struggling to find one that would even run something like the i7-12700F to leave the door open for future upgradability. At this point if even a 100 lga 1700 can't run that chip, it almost makes me want to buy a cheap 50€ and to be done with it.
Are there any boards capable of what I am asking at around the 90-100€ price range?
I am not even looking at 13-14th gen chips since I know of the recent issues with them.

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>>102940631
Yey

>>102941287
If the leaked charts were scuffed, OC3D would've released a statement claiming they're not representative of final performance figures.

>>102941311
Keep in mind that any board that can run 3600 can also run $160 5700X3D and that's basically a 10% downclocked 5800X3D

So I'm definitely not going to be able to get the new x3d cpu on release

>>102941311
you could get an a520 board for a 3600 and then upgrade up to a 5600/5700X3D if you needed more power in the future. also low end 13th and 14th gen aren't affected by this degradation shit

>>102941311
A 5600 isn't far from price of the 12100

>>102941378
Try to get a pre-order on Newegg, maybe Amazon or others offer it too.

Lets forget all CPUs and their performance and focus solely on the socket.

AM5 is clear winner as AMD has said they will use it for 2 more years guaranteed and intel has given no such promises right?

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>>102941323
Why is your Animu retarded?

>>102941411
yes

>>102941411
>intel has given no such promises right?
Supposedly Panther Lake will launch on LGA1851, but there is also rumors that PL will be mobile only a la Meteor Lake.

The Ryzen 9600X looks good but I'm not willing to pay $250 for a 6-core in late 2024

>>102941411
zen 6 will get a new socket, they said "support" until 2025, the same way they say that they still support am4 by releasing the same shit with different names.

>>102941411
If they stop at 2 years, it might be a good thing. I might stop upgrading for the next 10 years, 7900x is not going out of fashion anytime soon.

>>102941411
Sure that can just as well mean they will keep re-releasing Zen 4/5 products for it, like they're doing with AM4.

>>102941374
>>102941385
Honestly I am quite power conscious, so seeing the 12100f running in almost half the power of the 3600 at times while being a bit more powerful made me desire it quite a bit. But if I basically have no sacrifice and future upgradability whatsoever for it I am not sure I should go with it after all.
>>102941380
Yes,I was originally going to go with the MSI B550M Pro-VDH for the 3600 since it can basically run every chip of that gen while having pretty much any feature I would ever want.

>>102941411
In terms of futureproofing, yes. If we take AM4 as a standard, they've been using since 2016, so we can expect a similar time frame for support.

>>102941443
>le muddy le waters
They said 2027 btw

>>102941443
>they said "support" until 2027
Fixed, and Zen6 will launch on AM5, AM6 won't come until DDR6 is out on the market.

>>102941459
*to sacrifice any future upgradability

>>102941454
Zen6 is on AM5, what kind of Intel cope is this

>>102940588
Why does the info on the general change so often? Just a few weeks ago it recommended 2060 Super/RX6600 for a budget build, but now it’s gone and only 4070 and above are recommended. Why?

>>102941517
Shills

Reminder that there are no paid intel shills, intel laid off the shill department.

>>102941454
AM4
>Excavator
>Zen
>Zen +
>Zen 2
>Zen 3
all on one socket but yes AMD will recycle Zen 4 and 5 perpetually

>>102941533
>they're doing it for free

>>102941538
That's not even counting Zen3XD

We have reached the end of the silicon tech tree anyway, there will no sockets needed beyond AM5.

Intel ditching hyperthread/smt what Amd counter to that

>>102941571
I don't think Zen will go past Zen 8. There are clear improvements to be made on the ISA

>>102941589
>How will AMD counter's Intel shitting into its own mouth?
This is your brain on estrogen cores.

>>102941015
In AMD's case, its obvious they put all of their design work on improving Zen 5 for data center tasks; Zen 5 based Epyc chips are a substantial improvement over the Zen 4 ones for those sorts of work loads. Unfortunately, that didn't translate over to consumer workloads all that well. Part of that may be memory access issues; AMD cheaped out on the i/o die and reused the same ones from Zen 4, while Epyc chips get a brand new i/o die.

>>102941571
>>102941591
So, what comes next? Quantum computing? Biotech? What comes after sand processing?

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Have you debloated & optimized your Windows? It's as good as a hardware upgrade.
https://blog.tqh.lol/?p=81
No, I haven't. Over 200 processes are running on my OS.

4070 Ti Super worth an upgrade from 3080 Founders Edition?

The 3080 is only worth €359 cash in CEX now so it would be a

€250 for RTX 4070 Super (side-grade)
€450 for RTX 4070 Ti Super (upgrade)

I cannot afford a 4080+ / wait for RTX 5000.

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How significant would an upgrade from a r5 3600 to a 5700x3d be? I have a 3060ti and game in 1440p.

>>102941713
FE 3080 runs loud and hot, you'll get most of the money back from reselling that RTX 4070 Ti Super.
Do it, get the cash from the sale first, and do everything you can to avoid buyer dispute.

>>102941111
>For a boot drive the only thing that matters is it not being a HDD.
i was planning on using as both a boot drive and the drive where games are stored (i only play a couple of games that will not use up anything close to all the 2TB storage). does that make a difference?

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>>102941688
I did mine, that score look fake as fuck, 2x more fps, no way

>>102941755
He uploaded the raw benchmark files at the end of that post.

>>102941688
My W10 starts with like 140 processes with maybe half of the running under the service host.
>>102941755
What GPU are you running?

>>102941440
I agree.

>>102941771
with ram overlock + cpu, yea it make sense

>>102941788
6900xt

>>102941737
HUGE

I went 3600 to 5600 and the smoothness was unbelievable.
5700X3D with the cache + core advantage would be another level

>>102941688
fake as fuck

>>102941737
It's awkward, at 1440p the GPU really drags you down and you'd have to really lower settings to see those extra frames. If you play sims or esportslop it could be worth it, but otherwise it's probably better to just save for a new 7800x3D system.

>>102941795
damn, it's over for us nvidiacels, the nvidia driver is horrible for those latency spikes

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>>102941750

Hah, that's kinda what I figured.
The INNO3D is the cheapest I can find, but I'll see if I can cop a 3-fan model instead.

>>102941845
that isnt stock, im using MPT to disable all powersaving feature

why is the asrock z890 taichi atx but the x870e taichi is e-atx? both have pretty much the same vrm phases

is asrock trying to jew amd? i cant fit e-atx in the meshify c

>>102941985
amd boards are always just 1 notch below. super annoying whenever I think about switching from intel to amd

>>102941842
its 3600, its pretty shit compared to 5700x3d

>>102941886
also the latency prob be the same if I enable it, but im lazy to check

>>102942001
reminds me of msi and other laptop oems using last year's chassis and cooling system for amd laptops while intels get this years

its so dumb

>>102941985
Nova wifi?

>>102941678
dual cpus

>>102942032
>dual cpus
thats the past anon

>>102942026
slightly worse vrms but i can live with it, its funny cause the z890 is mini itx
somehow all the intel alternatives of each model is smaller

>>102942058
nvm theres an intel nova wifi atx also
maybe there will be a nova wifi mini itx for amd also in the future

>>102941848
Try the palit jetstream.
>>102942046
We are in a recursive timeline cycle. CPUs will hit the limit of physics soon so n+1 will be the next way forward.

>>102942058
I bought the Pro RS and I'm happy with it. It was cheaper than b650e and x670e boards lol. IDK what the vendors around here are on.

>>102941678
photonics maybe
more likely we'll have an extinction event before that

>>102941633
Amd always want to one up intel, like they did with Small core to counter E core

>>102942100
Zen Compact actually makes sense because they put it where it belongs, in the datacenter and didn't mix it with Zen Classic.

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how will NVIDIA compete with this offer? I am buying AMD for this free triple A game

>>102942157
AMD's just trying to get rid of as many RDNA3 cards as they can.
If two forgettable games are enough for you to fall for the RDNA3 memes, it's your money.

>>102942090
You're happy with it? I got the Pro RS as well, but I was waiting for the 9800x3d. I was considering returning it since it's the cheapest board, but I think it has everything I need. I don't know what the risks of something cheap are, though.

>>102942260
did you read the reviews for that game on steam? if I had to buy a GPU right now, i would go green just because those idiots decided to give me this DEI shit for free

>>102942286
Yes, I like it. x870 Pro Rs is just so good. x870 is not cheap. A620 or some b650 are cheap, x870 is supposed to be mid. I think even a B650M HDV will be able to run 9800x3d without any issues. If you go with a really cheap board, A620 or B650 H+, then you'll have bad vrms, lower max temp for CPU. If you are not planning on overclocking, you don't need a high end board.

>ASRock B760M Pro RS/D4
>ASRock B760M PG Lightning/D4
>Gigabyte B760M D3HP
Which one is the best for these 3, all basically at the same price.
I was also considering the ASRock B760M-HDV/M.2 but apparently it's quite a bit worse.
I want to be sure I would be able to run something like i7 12700 in the future.

>>102942157
>>102942288
>is that...
>IS THAT...
>IS THAT MORE OPTIONS?
>I HAVE MORE THINGS I CAN CHOOSE BETWEEN AND I DON'T LIKE SOME OF THEM?
>THIS IS LITERALLY THE HOLOCAUST FOR WHITE MEN IF THE HOLOCAUST ACTUALLY HAPPENED

https://www.amd.com/en/gaming/featured-games.html
If you can't find 2 games you'd like or even other people would like (you can sell them), you should proceed to kill yourself

For me? It's lies of P & spacemarine 2

The difference in graphics between 1080p and 4K is notable and I've come to the conclusion that building for anything less than 4K is poorfag cope. Sorry guys.

rtx 5000 delayed by half a year with multi-thousand dollar prices
>zen 5 doa
>arrowdozer
>intel degredation
>radeon surrenders
>motherboard price gouging and feature starvation
>aiaiai npu aiaiai
>windows 11
what an absolute shitshow of an upgrade cycle

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I think they already know.

How can you fail so hard while outspending AMD 10:1 on R&D?

>>102941571
So what you're saying is people should stop worrying and just buy the 4090 and enjoy it as nothing better will come out for a while?

>>102942501
Base on jim keller interview there alot politics inside intel

watch battlemage being somehow worse than alchemist

>>102942386
No overclocking, just want 2 nvme drives, and a gpu. When I said cheap I meant it was the cheapest x870 board. I just don't want to have any reliability issues or anything.

>>102942413
for me its nothing+nvidia.. those single player goyslop games can be pirated easily.

but nobody wants even to pirate that slop.

if they wanted to sell gpus, they'd give you BG3 or Black Myth Wukong.

Maybe I might buy an AMD cpu in the future (but doubt, I'll jsut buy an MBP)... Since both, intel and amd are goyslop shit.

>>102942561
Then x870 Pro Rs is not going to have any reliability issues anon.

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Is this any good? On blender, I see different numbers and I don't understand.

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>>102941753
pls respund

Is there any hope for a 7700X3D?

>>102942714
no it doesn't just get the new one
>>102942726
no, we're more likely to get more 7600X3D

>>102942568
>Lies of P is "single player goyslop" but wukong isn't
Literally the only reason you say this is because wukong is sponsored by Nvidia lmao
They get identical reviews
Have you played either one even?

If the leak if actually truthful then tomorrow will be a media bloodbath for Intel.

>>102942749
>Have you played either one even?
He probably hasn't, most likely a pajeet saar being paid 1 cent an hour by NOVIDEO to shill on internet forums.

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>>102942157
too bad AMD can't do Ray Tracing so well. you better off with NVIDIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBNH0NyN8K8

>>102942792
>literally saved the image from a shill post on /v/
embarrassing

>>102942792
According to that video more than half of the games with RT are not worth the effect and performance penalty, did you even watch it Rajesh Saar?

I'm burnt out from being disappointed when it comes to tech. I used to walk in best buy and get my mind blown tf out now there's like nothing interesting happening anymore besides AI

>>102942792
If that image is supposed to be handpicked to show off ray tracing then I don't want to imagine how pointless it is in most games

im crying my boy intel is coming crashing down :(

>>102942860
I currently use AMD but I wanted ARL to be good, AMD is getting too cocky.

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>>102942792
SAAR

>>102942869
Nvidia/apple being cocky and people still buy them

>>102942792
>too bad AMD can't do Ray Tracing so well. you better off with NVIDIA
people actually care about ray tracing?

>>102942927
According to that video, not even devs care about gaytracing kek

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>ARL leaked benchs
oof not looking good

Nvidia panel shows update but doesn't download it. Why is that? I have 4080.

>>102942950
get ready for every decent amd cpu to go up in price

>>102942962
>using automatic driver updates
lol, ilmao even

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>>102942932
nobody care but paid shill and reviewer

give me a 7600X3D for $200 so i can run worlo warcraft at high fps

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>the new intelaviv IEDs are so efficient that they want you to also measure the power draw from the 24 pin and not just the eps12v

>>102942413
>>102942288
>>102942260
>>102942157
If you don't want to get the shitty Awakening 9 game, you can wait until November 2nd, when the promo ends. They usually re-up with two new games for the new promo right after.

>>102942501
>>102942551
Separate teams are developing the P and E cores.
The team responsible for Lion Cove supposedly lost a lot of engineers to other processor designers like Apple.
Wouldn't be surprised if some left to develop NVIDIA's Grace data center CPU too.

>>102943036
even if i got the CPU before the new promo?

>>102943070
Nah, you can ask to get the code later from wherever you bought the CPU/GPU. This current promo ends on November 2nd. If you already got the code, you only get Space Marine and Unknown 9.

Should I go for the r5 4600g or the 5500g over the 3600?
I want to go for one of the former two because they offer basically the same power only for less power consumption. But I am not sure if I am better off going with the 4600g so I can be worry free with a GPU backup or to go for the 5500 for ever so slightly more power.
I will be pairing them with a rx 6600 so I doubt I will need any more than any of these three anyway.

>>102943036
>If you don't want to get the shitty Awakening 9 game, you can wait until November 2nd, when the promo ends. They usually re-up with two new games for the new promo right after.
I don't want any of their slop. How about they give me 50 usd discount?

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4060 or wait for 5060 with my 10105f 16gb, gonna fully upgrade next or in 2 years
got 1050 right now and pretty much playing old look forward to stalker 2 only

>>102942974
>>102942962
I've checked, im no longer allowed to update Nvidia drivers.

>>102940631
Switched to AMD and then went to Linux soon after. Gave my wife my 4080. And recently built a little 7700xt rig as a secondary machine for another room. When things just werk it inspires you to build more PCs. My server is almost done too.

>>102943068
Also:
Intel laid off a bunch of core engineering people in 2016 when they decided that they won, AMD will go bankrupt, and they don't need to try anymore and can just do stock buybacks instead of investments for the rest of eternity.
And a bunch of people were poached by Megashart trying to build their own SoC.

>>102943149
if you can wait then the 5060 will be better

>>102943135
They're all pretty meh choices, buy them used.

>>102943105
>Nah, you can ask to get the code later from wherever you bought the CPU/GPU.
What if I got it from amazon?

>>102943184
Do it manually

What time does the review embargo lift?

>>102943135
5500g is ~15% faster. But if you want an iGPU variant of ryzen, go for 8500g. That should be in the same price range of ~$125 and is another 15% faster than 5500g

Do integrated graphics still consume power even when there is a dedicated GPU?

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>>102942927
no

>>102941214
I’ve messed around with current gen GPUs from both brands on 10 different Linux distros and I’ll tell you that either brand works fine. You’re more likely to have issues with your mobo or some other random device like an Xbox controller than with the GPU choice.
Get yourself an 8BitDo controller and it’ll make things a lot easier. Xbox USB dongle will work but eventually just never connect again on some distros. Mint and Ubuntu have been the best experiences for me even though they didn’t seem like it at first. I went to Arch and all around and ended up back to Mint and Ubuntu every time, they are boring but work.

>>102943232
I can't. I mean I can't download drivers lol.

>>102943304
wyd you can't?

>>102943304
https://videocardz.com/driver/nvidia-geforce-game-ready-566-03
download from there

>>102943304
>>102906772

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>>102943316
Nvidia banned Russia from updating drivers.
I guess I would sell this badboy and go red.

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>>102943304
The nvidia page is working just fine for me

>>102943377
Get the driver from a third party source and install it offline.

If around the same price, should I be going for an m2 nvme ssd with 600 tbw endurance or a SATA SSD with 800 tbw?
I feel like the speed difference is going to be inconsequential in anything other than booting the PC (and I will be doing something else to pass the time meanwhile anyway), so I may as well go for what will probably last longer.

Battlemage:
6 SKUS

High-end:
Arc 880 256-bit 16GB 24Gbps
Arc 860 256-bit 16GB 20Gbps
Both share the same die

Mid-end:
Arc 680 192-bit 12GB 24Gbps
Arc 660 192-bit 12GB 20Gbps
Both share the same die


Low-end:
Arc 480 128-bit 8GB 20Gbps
Arc 460 64-bit 4GB 20Gbps
Both share the same die


Samsung SF4X node

>Arrow Lake has 50% of RPL's total system power draw because it throttles the GPU at half the FPS compared to RPL
Amazing.
Intel is amazing.

>>102943595
BMG iGPUs are already made on TSMC 5nm node dumb fuck.

AMD should make a monolithic CPU next.

>>102943377
nice color scheme on room + box

>>102943802
Their APU line are monolithic.

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>>102943765
No wonder AMD has full reign to raw fuck their customers.

>>102943946
>'For-profit company charges a premium for one of the best consumer-grade gaming CPUs ever made'
RAW FUCKING! KEK

How does the ryzen 4500 compare to the 5500 and the 3600?

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>>102943779
Sure...Samsung needs clients for their edge nodes and Intel doesn't have the capacity for GPU in their foundries plus TSMC is too expensive.

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>>102940691
>pic
Fucking grim

>>102943990
that bench is no good, look at all of the other scores.. they're all over the place

>>102944007
>100+ ns DRAM latency is fine
lmao

buyed a 5700X3D on aliexpress for $130

>>102943986
Hey dumb fuck, porting chip design to another fab costs money, multimillion dollars in fact.
Intel did it with Arrow Lake compute cores because 20As had to be canceled.
Intel's not wasting money porting the shitstain that is Battlemage dGPU designs.
If the designs were good enough, it would've been launched months ago.

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>>102943005
LMAO this is going to be a complete disaster holy fuck.

Sucks dick since AMD will be free to set any prices they want. They are going to be CPU Nvidia soon.

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>>102944058
>spending moni on a dead platform

>>102942390
Pro Rs boards are generally better in this comparison. This is true for am5, idk about shintel though.

>>102944089
Am4 will last you until 2030 ez

>>102942819
That video is purely about graphics quality not performance. Even when ignoring performance hit RT is barely worth it besides few games.

That said this is going to change.

>>102944089
Less dead than LGA1851

>Qualcomm prohibited from producing ARM, considers buying Intel
>Samsung can't unfuck Exynos, puts fucking Mediatek in Ultra tablets
>Intel partners with Samsung to produce GPUs
>meanwhile Nvidia makes ARM workstations
What the fuck is going on

>>102944123
And RISC V is gonna pop like MF-er. Amd and Shintel partnered. Micron is getting its shit pushed in.

>>102944123
We are hitting physical limits of this technology. Soon it's going to stagnate like cars or guns where barely anything changes over 20 years. Nvidia already needs to make 600w cards to get any significant uplift.

>>102944089
>>102944103
I wouldn't be surprised if the PS6 doesn't use X3D CPUs due to cost limitations.
The total component cost for a single PS5 unit had to be under $450.
5700X3D might be good enough to last through PS6-ported games.

>>102944123

Don't forget Xiaomi supposedly making 3nm chips.

>>102944089
Dead platform or Alive platform
Same shit

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When are we getting cheap hynix ECC udimms? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

>>102943480
>>102944087
>Sucks dick since AMD will be free to set any prices they want. They are going to be CPU Nvidia soon.
you do realize you don't NEED to buy the highest end xx50x cpu to play games, right?

>>102944176
How when chinks are banned from importing the tech and no way they managed it on their own.

>>102944089

Like 1% of people actually put new CPU in the same board. Almost everyone buys a completely new system after 5-6 years.

>>102944176
Haha, nice joke. Did chyna start building its own ASML? Didn't think so.

my game will be one of the best RPGs ever made and you'll only need at least a GTX 650 to play.

>>102944183
You motherboard doesn't support them anyway.

How much weaker is the 4500 compared to a 5500? Seems like they perform very similarly.

>>102944205
Some AM5 MBs do

>>102944155
>cars haven't changed in 20 years
your overpriced electric shitbox, sir? surely you're not gonna wait until they start confiscating ICE cars?

>>102944155
that why nvidia hard pushing fake frame tech and Ai, it software battle

Built a new PC the other day, first time getting something with DDR5. The guy at microcenter told me you can only run 2 sticks of DDR5 because if you run 4 electrons can apparently jump from stick to stick and fuck them up. Something about the speeds and the sticks being too close together.
Is that true or is the guy I talked to retarded?

>>102944212
Go buy your $800 motherboard for your tinkertranny ZFS NAS then, dumb anime poster.

>>102944261
it's true

>>102944262
>dumb anime poster.
???
You ok schizo?

>>102944261
That's more or less how I would explain signal integrity to someone mentally impaired or an American, yeah.

>>102944209
If you want my honest opinion, they're both pretty bad. 5500 is basically a 3600 in disguise.

>>102943595
Samsung? Interesting
I thought they are on N4P

>>102944262
why are you seething, schlomo?

>>102944271
>>102944297
Fascinating, been out of the loop with this shit since I built my friends PC 2 years ago.
Wanted to check because the guy also told me my 4070 was going to catch on fire if I didn't buy a specific cable for it but the one I got doesnt even use the 16 pin cable.
I guess I should have looked into this a bit more myself.

>>102944306
I know and the performance I am looking for is around the 3600 range. If the 4500 isn't too much weaker, I would rather go with that since a 5500 is a bit more expensive here and probably not worth it if it's only a small difference

>>102944322
It's just a cope post written by a faggot h(c)oping for $300 16GB video cards.

>>102944205
X870 pro rs desu. Its gotta support it.

gpu are expensive. could i make my own gpu at home instead of buying premade?

>>102944448
yes

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>>102944448
Sure

>>102944448
Get discounts on all the other PC components to offset the cost of the video card.
You don't need the latest CPU, motherboard, memory modules, or storage.

Msi mag 550bn or be quiet power 10 550?

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>6TB in raid died
>only 4TB and 8TB are for sale right now

How do I make my 7950X3D better?

>>102944806
Sell it and buy the 9950X3D.

>>102944806
uninstalling windows.

>>102944826
Yea but I wanna make the one I already have better.

holy fuck i can't cope how is their flagship cpu weaker than the mid range 12600k from TWO GENS AGO
LMAO WHAT THE HELL

>>102944963
literally bad data. just relax and wait (tm)

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>12400 is better than the 14900ks
TINYTOMLOGAN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING???

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Do all fans come with mounting screws?
Do the rubber plugs I've seen used instead of screws make any difference?
Can I clean a fan by showering it and letting it dry over a heater because dry cleaning sucks.

>>102944990
I've cleaned a keyboard in the dishwasher once.

>>102944990
>Do all fans come with mounting screws?
All? Probably not but most mainstream ones will. Sometimes you get a few with the mobo/PSU as well. Failing that, buy one of those kits with a bunch of standard PC screws - always handy.
>Do the rubber plugs I've seen used instead of screws make any difference?
Maybe on the margins but a well-designed fan should have good damping between itself and the chassis.
>Can I clean a fan by showering it and letting it dry over a heater because dry cleaning sucks.
You shouldn't but you can if you want. Keep a spare.

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Are the Micro Center PC bundles any good?

>>102945114
cursed to never be in the US and have good deals on PCs like this...

>>102945114
sometimes they are sometimes they aren't
the bundle on the left isn't that bad considering that

a 7500f on aliexpress is around 120 bucks
the asrock b650 hdv/m2 board op recommends is around 135
16gb ddr5 can set you around 40-50

so yeah I'd go for it

if you you buy anything from core ultra series you are actually a shill not even i can defend that dumpster fire

>>102940631
Nvidia drivers have been trash on Windows for years.

>>102945156
Cool, thanks man.

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I thought only ATX 3.1 have the 12V cable? Is this fine?

>>102945129
at least you're not a fat zogbot

>>102945181
are they that bad?

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i've got a fractal design case which i like the silentness and dust-proofness of the case

i'm looking for a white mini-itx case for my second computer, that will fit a full sized atx PSU and GPU (rtx 2080)

maybe a coolermaster nr200, but i'd like glass instead of mesh

>>102945114
I would go for the $400 intel 12900k bundle (mainly because of the extra m.2 slots, and more ram).
But it all depends on your GPU.
If you want ultra-poverty build, build a PC with a 8600g if you want a GPU that gets half the FPS of a 4060 while still keeping 90% of the CPU performance of a 7600. But you will need to flash your mobo bios, and it's probably going to be $100 more than the microcenter bundle ($160 CPU + $130 mobo + $100 32gb 6000 cl 30 ram).
I don't think wait fagging for a budget GPU is worth it, but if you are going to waitfag for 5070 or 6070 because you have no games to play, the 8600g will do depending on what games you want to play.

>>102944046
it's worse than first gen ryzen
i remember getting 80ns on a 1700X but that's because i had slow ass DDR4-2400, that was my lesson to never cheap out on RAM

>>102945181
they cant make better stuff/improve without funding anon

>>102945114
$400 12900k bundle is great if they still have it. I picked it up and put a 7700xt and Ubuntu on it and have zero issues, easiest build I’ve ever done. Great little 1080p rig.

>>102945340
I'd say it's better to get an ATX 3.1 PSU for the safer 12V-2x6 power header.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-supply-units/atx-30-vs-atx-31-whats-the-difference/

>>102945589
Is that a giant grate on the side that has no dust filtering at all?
bruh

>>102945114
>>102945632
*I was expecting the 12900k to be a little bit better than the 7600x, it's actually neck and neck, and it's only ONE extra nvme slot with no nvme heatsink.
Might as well get the 7700X $400 bundle.
But I don't know what the stocks are like.
In this situation I think the microcenter bundles are good but you could build a PC without losing out on much.
You get what you pay for.

I have a 2070 Super. Should I go ahead and get a 4070 Super or wait for 5000 series?

>>102945856
just wait

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>>102943005
>teehee, we'll win all benchmarks if we draw power through means people aren't testing
>wait, no STOP JESUS DON'T MEASURE LIKE THAT YOU'RE NOT THE REAL MESSIAH
>jesus face when

>>102945892
thats not how computers work anon

>>102945856
don't wait, you'll be disappointed & prices will be higher on the current good models if you do

>>102945906
If nobody is measuring from the 24pin intel suddenly sucking (more) juice down that would go unnoticed.

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>>102945975
how can they make it suck more power from the 24pin instead of the 8 pin
> me want learn more

>>102945906
???
You could pull like 120W through the 12V wires of the 24-pin if you really, really wanted to, plus the same amount if you squeezed the 3.3V and 5V lines dry, and the power routing is all controlled by the chipset which is made by Intel and the motherboard can cook the power draw numbers exposed to the OS too.
I trust intel to find new and creative way to start a housefire.
>3 months from now, first melting 24-pin connectors are reported

>>102946021
Load balancing. Look at gpus - they can draw upto 75w (to stay within spec and we will assume they are for the argument) through the pcie slot and 150w per 8pin pcie connector. A lot of gpus will barely touch pcie slot power for a variety of reasons. If a reviewer is only measure the pcie cable power and saying "wow, this gpu only pulls 100w how amazing!" they would be missing that it COULD be pulling an additional 75w from the slot and that is what could be happening here with the EPS and 24pin.

>>102945778
Even if if the GPU is pulling only half of the 600W cable rating?

just give me shrunk comet lake with DDR5

>>102946029
>>102946088
is there a normalized limit for the socket, independent of brand?

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My old LG monitor is 7 years old, 60hz with TN panel and looking for an upgrade. Outside of playing video games I draw for fun so color accuracy is important to me.
Local stores have:
MSI MAG 256F, but people say it's has terrible color accuracy.
LG 24GN650-B, but some say it has bad light bleed.
AOC 24G2SPAE/BK I heard that 24G2 is a good monitor but no clue how good this version is.
I had no idea monitor autism is this hard.

>>102946110
>DDR5
ew
give me zen 4 on AM4 with DDR4-4400 at 1:1 2200 FCLK

>>102946116
Each connector is rated for a spec and in theory upto that spec is fair game. It is independent of brand and down to how reviewers actually capture their numbers. You want to only pull 50w across your 8 pin EPS and 120w down the 24pin? Go for it - it would be within ATX spec so the psu would be happy to feed that and the rest of the system would be happy to receive it. In my given example if you only measures the 8pin EPS you wild get a 50w cpu rather than the 170w it is actually drawing.

>>102946109
Make sure the cable is fully seated, with enough clearance to prevent immediate bending on both sides (35mm straight clearance before bending recommended).

>>102946121
>I draw for fun so color accuracy is important to me
What sort of calibration will you intend to be doing and will you be using ICC profile aware software?

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>>102943005
>GPU sitting on top of a PCIe interposer sitting on motherboard sitting on top of whole-board interposer siting on top of a separate test bench
It's not a PCB sandwich at this point, it's a whole PCB lasagna

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>>102946116
If you mean the motherboard connector, molex spec is 6A per contact.
So you could pull 144W through the 12V pins while staying within the spec.

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>3 Cores
KWABOTY

>>102946226
I didn't plan to use any calibration and no.
My friend just told me that my old monitor is shit and told me to get a new one with IPS panel.

>>102946318
I mean your old panel is likely shit but if you aren't serious enough to concern yourself with calibration to a point colour accuracy isn't going to matter as I would imagine (and please correct if i'm wrong) you'd want a screen that has a good srgb clamp.

>>102946121
What country and budget? If you give us more info, we might be able to give you more/better options. Also answer >>102946226
Just from the models you listed, the LG & AOC aren't even full 8-bit panels:
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/61133934
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/886e227e
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/57992d42
They use 6-bit color + FRC dithering, whereas at least the MSI is fake 10-bit meaning it's true native 8-bit + FRC. If it's only between those SKUs I'd pick the MSI and if you don't have or want to buy a colorimeter for real hardware calibration then you can get pretty darn close to at least the correct RGB balance and temperature using a sheet of plain white office paper as a reference at night with all the room lights off (adjusting gamma the only difficult part):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avJTz1JhkR4
Also there are apps that help with this is using your phone's camera pointed at the screen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpL2nDAKuuI

>>102946383
I don't mind it calibrating it if needs to be done, it's just not something that came to mind.
>a screen that has a good srgb clamp.
That would be a plus.
>>102946388
Europe, budget $250. The 3 I listed are one the cheaper side as I try to save every cent I can.

>>102946300
As long as their shit.biggly abortion doesn't spill over to desktop, I don't care.

>>102946504
>Europe
What country? Because Germany tends to have the best selection/prices but there's a wide range I've seen such as Sweden/Finland being much more scarce and expensive.

>>102946579
I said Europe because I can get anything that is sold in EU in less than a week. Netherlands.

will arrowdozer still support ddr4 or is it d5 only now

>>102946300
Who buys these crappy handhelds anyway?

>>102946761
DDR4 is old news, DDR5 only nao.

>>102946841
fuck
back to spending $200 for 64gb kits

>>102946888
well for arrowdozer youre gonna want at least 8000 MT/s ram so definitely more than $200 for 64gb

>>102946888
>Imagine buying into Error Lake

>>102946651
>I said Europe because I can get anything that is sold in EU in less than a week. Netherlands.
Gotcha. In NL:
At the ultra-low end there's the MSI G244F E2 for €100 that is plain high-refresh native 8-bit 1080p IPS:
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/Fw26Mp/msi-g244f-e2-238-1920-x-1080-180-hz-monitor-g244f-e2
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/c6d135f2

Then. for only €190 AOC Q24G2A/BK is a 24" 1440p IPS with an sRGB mode which packs on a higher resolution and pixel density that would make photography work much sharper and clearer:
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/wFMMnQ/aoc-q24g2abk-238-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-q24g2abk
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-q24g2a-bk/

For the same €190 you could also get the MSI G272QPF E2 which is a 1440p 27" which the extra ~23% of viewable panel size might help with photography in a different way:
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/RktLrH/msi-g272qpf-e2-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-g272qpf-e2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4nJmn7JqGA

If you can afford to splurge one of the best budget monitors for OoB color is the Dell G2724D for €270, especially with the dedicated sRGB Mode:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/vyqrxr/dell-g2724d-270-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-g2724d
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/g2724d#test_1467
^You can even download RTINGs's own calibrated ICC profile for the monitor on their review page.

>>102941753
Reference stuff
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/htmlview

Beware of this shit
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-blue-sn550-ssd-performance-cut-in-half-slc-runs-out

Also
2tb Unless you like having a fuck ton of games installed+ torrents. Then you need 4tb.

>>102942626
I tweeted this to Taylor Swift and she's on her way to suck your dick, so yeah. It's good.

do gpu brands matter? got my eyes on a cheap 3600 but it's from galax.

>>102947072
Thanks, I'll check them out.

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>tfw thinking about moving from a i5 12400 to a 5700X3D because the 3d cache is massive for the only game i play (wowo warcraft)

>>102947133
>she

>>102947157
Card model matters more than brand. The cheapest models from almost all manufacturers will be mediocre and run relatively hot and loud.
That's how they keep cost under control.

I don't know whether I should post this here or on /tpg/, but I'm outfitting my thinkpad p15 gen1 with a new SSD, and I was wondering what you guys recommended. I was thinking either SN850X or Crucial P310, but I'm open to different options. I don't play a lot of games on the laptop itself, but I do stream from my main computer remotely, so I'm not sure if having an SSD with DRAM would help all that much. Any recommendations for a main OS drive?

>>102947426
One thing I forgot to mention: the slot only support PCIe 3.0 x4, so is there any point to buying a PCIe 4.0 SSD?

>>102947426
>dram
its not that important on nvme drives but it is a nice to have.
the SN850X is a nice drive that you can transfer to another laptop or a desktop should you ever want to build one.

>>102947468
No, and even if it was Gen 4 still no. Interface speeds aren't a bottleneck for modern NVMEs in non-server applications.

>>102947468
>>102947554
there's no point in going out of your way to buy a PCIE 3.0 SSD as its forward and backward compatible.

>>102946554
So far, it's only on Epyc & APUs. Only two such APUs are on AM5:
R5 8500g is 2+4c/12t
R3 8300g is 1+3c/8t (this one's OEM only tho)

>>102946554
>>102947634
the architecture is the same, its just they have less cache. technically it means APUs are getting more cache because historically all cores in APUs get less cache, but this means some get full cache and some get less.
I'd be interested to see a 16 core CCD with v-cache.

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>>102943005
I'm so happy I got a 12th gen and skipped this whole retarded mess, buying AMD in a year when I get a new card.

>>102947254
move to am5 anon.

>>102947730
They also clock 1.5ghz lower so they're really just cuck cores no matter how you put it

>>102947958
thats why they would be interesting with V-Cache, they're too dense to clock high

>>102947254
Find a better raiding guild or PvP group, that will be more effective than some XTRUH PHRAMES IN WORLOWAWA

migrate (fresh bread)
>>102948230
>>102948230
>>102948230