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>>102948230
I haven't bought a PC in 5+years.
How far have things come really?
This old bitch is still kicking.

>>102948337
2060 btw

>>102948337
>>102948344
You could upgrade to a 5700X3D or a new platform (9800X3D).
If you're not in a rush, it's probably better to wait for the 5060 in terms of video card upgrade.

Make sure to warm up those cope responses for the arrow lake release anons. We've hit denial so far and I would like to see the ball keep rolling.

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>>102948403
Just wait® for the video card's disappointing launches. Potentially from all three chip designers.

How many more years of this shitty GPU market

pajeet said AMD is bad because they don't have Intel APO when I pointed out they have more draw power and less performance.

not a single person is defending intel
not even the fanboys
stop fighting ghosts

>>102948429
still under nda

not even derbauer, the biggest intel shill, is defending arrow lake on the overclock.net forums. this is a terrible release. if you are in the market for a new gaming cpu, it's time ot unironically consider amd or just wait untl next gen

>>102948386
>The Nvidia RTX 5060 is rumored to be released in March 2025
Yeah I think I can wait on that
thanks

>cpu $400
>mobo $600
>ram $200
save all that and put it towards a 5090 instead if you have a relatively recent cpu

>>102948440
his words were the results looked incorrect and he has not heard/ experienced any of the instability that MLID droned on about

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are these real people?

>>102948337
AMD killed Intel, then Intel killed itself, then AMD died to AMD of the past, then Intel killed itself once again.
Grab 5700X3D and enjoy the shitshow that is all of DDR5 sockets/motherboards/cpus.

>>102948462
intel investors are crashing out and paying for bots to run damage control

why is Steve always out of breath?

>slip on banana peel in 2008
>get back up and continue slipping on the same banana peel
this has been intel's strategy for 16 years

>>102948462
Yes - it takes a brave person to know that advanced marketing was at play and duped them.

>>102948479
As the (now classic) line goes - Intel doesn't know how to be number two and they can't bribe their way out of it this time.

i can't wait for the 5090 to come out. reaaaaally want to get rid of this 4090 and put the melting connector concerns behind me

i can't wait for the 5090 to come out. reaaaaally want to shelve this RADEON HD 6950 and put the massive overkill performance behind me

i really want to motor boat some titties but i don't have a girlfriend...or a 4090...

>>102948462
>Userbenchmark

>>102948545
why the downgrade?

the calm before ces is the worst part of every year

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>>102948566
too much heat from the ole' blower

>not gonna throw her away tho

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I heard it's the best. True?

>>102948440
Arrow Lake is going to fine and has a good shot at besting desktop Zen5 at productivity. Only obessive number-chasing /v/tards are going to be annoyed. Gayming hasn't been much of a challenge to desktop CPUs for over a decade+ now. We aren't struggling to sustain 30-60FPS because of the CPU, hell you could stretch that ~100FPS these days.

>>102948578
Longevity is not proven, but it's a good short-term paste.

>>102948578
just get MX-6 or NT-H2

>>102948578
kpX? I have some too, gonna use PTM7950 or whatever knockoff I got from amazon on my next build

>>102948578
A waste of money at ambient. Before high end paste consider a better cooler, better fans, ihs lapping, delidding, liquid metal, die lapping.

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>>102948578
False.

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>>102948462
>power efficiency is marketing BS

Is there a power supply that comes with nice cables already, or do I really have to order custom ones?

>>102948964
better performance is also marketing BS to Userbenchmark bots.

>>102948981
I like the flat cables that come with some PSUs, I wish you could get extensions like that but I haven't found any.

>>102948996
Aren't extensions bad?

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>>102949057
cheap extensions can be, mainly because they use thin and shitty wire.

Why can't it be Black Friday already?

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>>102949281
Because you touch yourself.

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>>102943850
> nice color scheme on room + box
I love violet color.

Also, Nvidia drivers issues has been fixed.

>>102949281
> Why can't it be Black Friday already?
Black Friday was always fake and gay.

>intel core ultra and 5090 literally requires 1000w minimum
LMAO

Still need some advice and rate
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/stxsHG

intel equivalent of 7600x and b650m hdv? looking for cheaper alternative with similar i/o

>>102948625
>t. Intel digital marketing team
you are a failure in the eyes of your parents

>>102949767
wait for 18a

Is the Arctic Liquid Freezer III still one of the best AIOs, or are there better ones already?

>>102949767
12600k with asrock 760m hdv?

>>102949652
1. Total budget?
2. Do you live near a MicroCenter?
3. I assume you already have a case, PU, and the 7900 GRE?

>>102949652
Try to see if you can get ram with tighter timings this is Timing 30-38-38-96, I think 30-36-36-76 are available on the market for cheap.

Also, why not wd black sn850x?
Case, fans, psu?

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>>102949882
>Is the Arctic Liquid Freezer III still one of the best AIOs, or are there better ones already?
It is. However if you live in the US, the now available Thermalright Prism is basically at parity with it much for much less ($58 vs. $90):
https://gamersnexus.net/coolers/thermalright-strikes-again-5690-360mm-liquid-cooler-frozen-prism-review
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XgyH99/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-360-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00136a
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/99XV3C/thermalright-frozen-prism-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-360-black

>>102949906
>>102949939
Lian li mini snow
Be quiet pure power 12 850
> Do you live near a MicroCenter?
No
Budget is around 1.2-1.4
> Also, why not wd black sn850x
Good amount cheaper here

>>102949966
how the fuck is thermalright selling an aio thats actually competent for just $58? are literal slaves manufacturing these?

So new AMD and Nvidia cards are going to be announced at CES?

>>102950053
>amd
who cares?
>nvidia
apparently

List of real-world, actual reasons you should aim for DDR5 RAM instead of DDR4 on a new PC:

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>>102949966
What about some more rare/obscure AIOs like Valkyrie Syn 360/Dragonfang 360, SilverStone IceMyst 360/420 or Montech 360?
They are better than Arctic in some tests. Not sure how trustable are those tests however.

>>102950137
you buy a new pc

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>>102949652
If this is 99% gaming PC, the 5700X3D w/DDR4 RAM is the superior buy by being within margin of error of the 7600X (around the same perf as the 5800X3D in picrel) for much less @ $143 on AliExpress:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/21.html
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806921974699.html
Suggested PCPP Build with the above: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ypHGBL (~$170 Saved)

If you DO need the extra horsepower for more productivity. I suggest a 13600K-based build. Identical gaming performance to the 7600X but with multithreaded power equivalent to the 7700X:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/27.html
Like the 5700X3D it can also leverage cheaper DDR4 RAM like so:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NygBgB
^Same or better all-around performance for $80 less/

>>102950152
yeah but why would you waste money on faster ram when there is no real world difference? I'd rather have 64gb of ddr4 than 32gb of ddr5 and it's the same price

>>102950197
32gb ddr5 tends to result in most fps in games while accommodating chrome tabs
64gb ddr4 doesnt give you any more fps than 16gb while losing to ddr5

>>102950203
you won't get any more fps going from 16gb to 128gb ram
most games all you need is 16gb
but talking about other uses for high ram, like handling large files, llm stuff
you save so much money building a ddr4 system
I have 5800x3d, 3090, 64gb ddr4 on am4 board and my shit literally shits on every video game 1440p. if my system died tomorrow why would I way overspend on a ddr5 board
top of the line current year PC barely outperforms but costs 2x

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>>102950186 Also meant to reply to >>102950030
If you go the 13600K route don't forget to update the BIOS after assembly to prevent degradation with the final included microcode patches.

>>102950041
Vertical integration I assume with a bit of wage slavery, as a treat.

>>102950142
It depends on the Socket (LGA1700 or AM4/5). I wouldn't have any problems with a Montech HyperFlow @ $100 or ID-COOLING DX360 MAX @ $90 if I had to cool a 13900K/14900K(S).
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ibuypower-aw4-360mm-aio-cpu-liquid-cooler/8.html
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xRdG3C/montech-hyperflow-argb-360-762-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-hyperflow-argb-360-white
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NpZXsY/id-cooling-dx360-max-85-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-dx360-max

>>102950225
going to a new platform enables you to use 9800x3d which gives you more fps alongside more fps from the ddr5 ram

>>102950235
>upgrade is a single gen step
Nah

>>102950249
I said when you build a new pc

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I started getting into 3D sims which is requring a fuck ton of ram usage. I'm considering upping my 32gb of ram to 94 or 128. should I be waiting for the 5000 series to drop before I do this? pic related is my current mobo + ram setup

>>102950254
AM4 is still the more sane path

>>102950286
not for new pc's

>>102950233
It's kind of weird that pretty much coolers there are 360, and then Arctic is only 240.

>>102950235
Yes, it is faster. But it costs way more. And if your goal is to shred video games, there's no point in wasting money because you won't be able to tell the difference between 80fps and 90fps on whatever fancy game requires a highly powerful GPU
and if you're a competitive FPS guy you're going to be playing at lower than 4k and running 144fps with settings turned down without using a lot of eye candy and shit
Gaymers Nexus' fatal flaw is thinking that if you can't play cinematic console ports at high FPS makes the games unenjoyable... what's the point of playing high FPS red dead redemption? the shit runs on the platform it was designed for (xbox and playstation) at literally fucking 30fps
you can do that with a 3060 and ryzen 3600

>>102950303
budget oriented builds may go for 7600 and that gives you decent perf per dollar + benefiting from the faster ram

>>102949767
> Intel
> Cheaper

>>102950319
>budget oriented builds may go for 7600 and that gives you decent perf per dollar + benefiting from the faster ram
what I'm saying is that isn't budget oriented. if your goal is a gaming PC, all you have to do is beat the consoles. Every PC exclusive game, the best kinds, can comfortably run on a ddr4 system. it's not "budget oriented" to build a ddr5 gaming computer at all. there is no huge leap in gaming performance between ddr4 and ddr5.
realistically, you can stick with gen3 nvme storage
if the purpose of your machine is playing video games, getting high speed storage and high speed RAM is literally a waste of money

>>102950354
if you're that poor you'd be looking at buying someones used am4 system for the savings over buying new

>>102950382
we're talking 'budget oriented' all I'm saying is there hasn't been a leap in video game performance between DDR4 and DDR5 for video games
so for someone who is building in the current year, aiming for DDR5 is a waste of money. that's literally it. My GPU cost more than your car dude, I'm not poor at all. and my current build with DDR4 can get over 60fps at 1440p in ultra (5800x3d, 64gb ddr4 3600, 3090) and I'm still set until 2030 for every game that will come out

>>102950439
you seem mentally unwell.

Speaking of games that will come out between now and 2030, one of those games will be Grand Theft Auto 6 and it isn't gonna be on PC
for 300 dollars you can buy a PS5 and play the most highly anticipated game of this century

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>>102950439
RAM speed only matters for gaming when you're CPU limited. In cases where you happen to be, DDR5 certainly helps Intel CPUs.
(AM4/5 are harder to measure, due to only supporting a single RAM generation each.)

>>102950528
brother are you realistically saying you can tell the difference between 112 and 98 fps? I think it's bullshit
Like I said, if your end goal is enjoying video games if your priority, you're completely fine building a DDR4 system because there is no discernable difference
I promise you that you will not have a bad time gaming at 90 vs 103
I swear on everything holy that you can't tell the difference

>>102950554
some games the difference is 12fps, some game its 50

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>>102950528
pro tip for hardware unboxed

How come Gigabyte is thrashing Asus when it comes to the 4080 Super?

https://www.a2kmedia.net/post/rtx-4080-super-tuf-gaming-oc-vs-gigabyte-aorus-master

It has better temps, better efficiency and higher clocks all at once.

one thing to watch out for if you're looking to get an 80 series GPU
it's very easy to call it a "gayty" (ie 10gaytyti, 20gayti, 30gayti, 40gayti)
you don't run this risk with a 70 or 90 series

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>12Gb is totally fine
>meanwhile a game from 2016

>>102950648
gigabyte tended to randomly die, that's how

Is there a good resource for comparing GPUs in Vulkan (not CUDA) Compute?

I'm not rich, so just shoving a 4090 in my homelab server isn't a real option. Looking to maximize performance/watt efficiency.

>>102950764
>buy amd gpu
>have to whine about vram for the rest of time to justify the purchase while nvidia owners play video games

>>102950554
what kind of a pissbaby plays at 100 fps lol
budget monitors are 144 hz

>>102950789
>Looking to maximize performance/watt efficiency.
performance/$ in all aspects right now is 7900XT if you can get it for $650, it runs ROCm now and amd is generally alright with compute
lowering clock to 2300 makes 7900XT a 200w card with 90% of stock prformance

>>102948477
he's a big guy
for you

>>102950809
>what kind of a pissbaby plays at 100 fps lol
>budget monitors are 144 hz
most expensive computer around can't play top end titles 4k 144fps right now the kind of games you want that frame rate at 144fps are very easy to achieve that with 7 year old hardware. YOU couldn't tell the difference if you didn't have your little counters on screen between 70fps and 140fps. This shit only matters to hardware shills on youtube like Gaymers Nexus. and the games that are going to come out that require extremely powerful computers are literally console ports that run 30-60fps (console ports)

>>102950863
I play everything at 72fps, there is not much difference between 72 and 144fps at 144hz.

arrow lake is worse than a 13700k? really? why would they release it at all?

>>102950863
4k gaming are meme

>>102950901
13700k is broken, that's why

>>102950779
Surely that's not the same for these Aorus ones?

>>102950910
but the 5800x3D stomps it?

Why couldnt arrow lake just be good

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hmmm..
I guess they're pushing the stock price down for a big payday when 18A arrives and blows amd out

>>102950911
I'd get it only if store handles the warranty and has a good reputation.

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if true this is...not good

>>102950954
>when 18A arrives and blows amd out
when 18A arrives, TSMC 2nm will be in full mass production

>>102950954
intel will never ever ever ever ever beat TSMC

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>>102950964
>caring about power consumption

>>102950969
18a has things like GAA and backside power delivery which are exciting

tsmc is gonna put those out later than intel

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1gac9go/intel_core_ultra_285k265k_and_245k_review_leaks/

keep in mind these slides may or may not be true

>>102950983
>tsmc is gonna put those out later than intel
yeah, remember 10nm? that was exciting.

>>102950980
>2x power draw of a 7800x3D system
>less fps

>>102950984
>keep in mind these slides may or may not be true
funny thing about Intel leaks, they are 99% true all the time

>>102951000
moores law guy says people mentioned stability issues which would be VERY funny if true, after the raptor lake bullshit.

Now that EVGA is gone, who makes the most reliable NVIDIA GPUs?

>>102951010
I mean, didn't the idiots cut QA department in half a few years back? I'm fuzzy on details, but I think they did it in line with increasing diversity budget.

>>102949561
>1300w seasonic prime tx costs as much as a 1080 ti did
wew

>>102951020
EVGA didn't make reliable GPUs, fyi, the only reason people loved them because they replaced dead GPUs without delays

>>102950954
>it was all 4D chess to trap the shorties
Gelsinger-sama, I kneel...

What time is the review embargo coming down?

>>102951037
he's probably referring to the cooler/board build quality since nvidia boards are notorious for shitting the bed
with amd it is the reverse

>>102951053
Well the initial release was 8am pacific so maybe this embargo is the same 8am

>>102951030
They did indeed.

>>102951020
Can't go wrong with anything. If a brand had a high failure rate we'd know already. Get the cheapest piece of shit.

>>102951020
Nowadays I just recommend ASUS, I figure if they mess up badly enough the fat american will just bully them again.

>pc made some noise for months and months
>Noise goes away when I smack and shake the case
>last week ago
>annoyed by it and decide to clean my pc
>now no more noise
I am very much happy

>>102951030
>diversity budget
and 100% taiwanese TSMC is by far the best, go figure.

>>102951170
ok but avoid gigabyte and msi ventus

>>102950954
>current intel beating anyone on procrss technology

>>102951268
you know theres public roadmaps for these things

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https://x.com/NickBrownHPC/status/1848868750684262567

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

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ARL-S reconfirmed for SHIT

arrow lake is about to usher in a new era of INTC dominance

>>102951214
theyve been poaching huwhites from america for a long time now

>>102951287
? this just confirms that intel has been working on an updated scheduler

Is undervolting your GPU fine on Linux or is it a pain in the ass? Specifically AMD. Windows 11 looks so bad that I'm thinking of going Linux on my new machine

>>102951369
iirc amd dont even provide a control panel for linux

>>102948337
depends on your needs
modern tripple A games are pure goyslop and don't deserve to have a 4090/5090 waste power on them

If i have 7800x3d
And use 2x16GB 6000CL30
Should i oc the ram or leave it stock
i dont understand

>>102951497
you enable xmp/expo in bios to overclock it to 6000CL30, ram doesnt come based with the advertised clock speed/latency

>>102951507
why not 7200? or even higher btw

>>102951497
Enable expo, if you are feeling adventurous, try buildzoid's easy timings.

>>102951533
because that also increases latency which is really counterproductive, 6000CL30 is the sweetspot between high clock speed but relatively low latency

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>>102951566
so i buy ram 2x16GB 6000CL30
then enable xmp/expo to 6000CL30?? how much should i set the dram voltage ?

>>102951598
dont touch voltage, the xmp/expo settings are all preset which includes that, so you would use xmp 1 or expo 1. it's a preset when you enable those.

>>102951625
*for amd it should be expo, xmp for intel I think, can use both for some I think but it should be expo on amd chips

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>5 more hours for kino reviews

>>102951331
it confirms that the reviews are going to be awful

Was waitfagging for the 5000 series a mistake
Everyone's doomposting about the 5080

>>102951369
it's fine just download corectrl
even debian shit like xubuntu and mint have it in the repos

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My monitor defaulted to 4k 30 and I thought my pc was cooked lol. I wonder what 240Hz feels like.

>>102951826
the jump from 60hz to 120+hz is substantial.
I can only imagine going from 30 to 240.

>>102951840
I went to 1440p 60hz and it became normal. I wonder though anon. I haven't used anything more than 60hz. 4k is kinda useless on 27". I should've gone high refresh rate instead of 4k monitor.

>8% gaming uplift
is this big? small?
Is it over?

>>102948230
I just played youtube and the ad was really long so I flipped it to something else and the ad reset. Also any video time movements and you get hit with an ad.
I guess they don't really care about how ads are assigned if you don't have youtube premium account.

I loaded up the game they advertised on youtube, with shooting and they aways mess it up and die, and the installer took over my system and loaded up a platform. I loaded up Revo Uninstaller and removed every single trace of it.

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>>102951863

>>102951855
Anon if you just recently got your monitor, I would return it and get a better one. Buying a new monitor in current year, you should really go for high refresh 1440 minimum.
>>102951863
An 8% uplift on 60fps is 64 fps. Not huge.

>>102951874
I bought it 2 years ago, used lol.

Will we ever have a 10xx series with the best price to performance cards?

>>102951925
what

>>102951855
>4k is kinda useless on 27"
depends how far you sit
if you're less than 75cm (2.5feet) away it's still worth

>>102948230
>12400F
fuck this shit get the K version

>>102951948
if you consider the average 4k use case which is work related spreadsheets and reading the best solution is always 32"

>>102951966
non k is better for overclocking

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>WD Blue 8TB WD80EAAZ
>$165
or
>Seagate Barracuda 8TB ST8000DM004
>$145
THIS IS A VIQ (VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION) PLS ANSWER FAST!!!!!!

>>102952001
>SMR
They're all shit.

>>102952008
Why?

>>102952001
people prefer different brands
I'd go with the WD blue

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my upgrades are always a year or 2 behind the latest tech

>>102952001
Ironwolf NAS or Exos 8tb. Or the equivalent in WD.

>>102951635
5 more hours until amdead

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What fucking kind of port is this?
Nothing to do with /pcbg/ but don't wanna make a new thread.

>>102952058
micro usb 3.0

>>102951863
8% average would be fair. Thatd mean 0% uplift in some games and even 16% better in others

>>102952066
What a stupid fucking name, I'm never gonna find an extension for this. Thanks.

>>102952076
you're welcome, why don't you just extend the usb a part of the cable?

>>102952086
i was looking to go from that abomination at one end to USB C at the other

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>>102952094
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Type-C-Micro-USB-C/dp/B00UUBQ710?th=1

>>102952037
>>102952008
side question, which one should I get if I put them to "off" after 10min of inactivity? which one would handle on off switches better?

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>>102952109

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>>102952034
based frugal anon

So an Intel "K" CPU should provide the same power and have the same power consumption as the non "K" version as long as you are not overclocking it, right?

>>102952231
yes, you can also set the max wattage to 65, 125 or 250 in bios

>>102952231
Up until 13th gen where they gave you an inferior chip if you bought i5 non k

Case:
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Series PH-ES614P_BK

Power Supply:
CORSAIR RM750e Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply

MOBO:
ASRock B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI AM5 ATX Motherboard

CPU:
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

CPU FAN:
be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 5

RAM:
CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB)
PC RAM DDR5 5200

Graphics:
XFX SPEEDSTER SWFT210 RADEON RX 7600 CORE

Storage:
SAMSUNG SSD 990 PRO 1TB, PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280

Seagate BarraCuda ST2000DM008 2TB 7200 RPM 256MB Cache

Well??

>>102952331
might as well wait for the 9800X3D to come out at this point
>DDR5 5200
>RX 7600
>2TB HDD
is this a prebuilt and what is the purpose?

>>102952331
Why are you pairing that gpu to that cpu
1tb ssds are redundant, get 2tb instead
the case is trash, get something like fractal north or torrent

>>102952331
Great CPU, Mobo and PSU.

Get DDR5-6000, CL30. Graphics, 7900GRE or 7800XT, save monies on samsung ssd and just get wd black sn850x. Throw that 2tb in garbage anon. Get a 8tb ironwolf nas. Save monies on be-quiet and get arctic p12 or p14.

>>102952034
Me too, I bought the 7900x instead of 9900x.

>>102951781
its just what happens whenever any new product is nearing launch
either buy it at launch (nvidia, amd always drop prices within a month) or wait for the refresh

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new leak just dropped

>>102952420
looking like arrow lake is a hard pass for anyone on zen4/12th gen up

>>102952446
I'm on Zen 3 and I think Zen5X3D is probably my upgrade. I'd consider the 265K if it was 100 cheaper

The Joe Biden of CPUs.

>>102952231
K models often have higher stock base and boost clocks

>>102948475
It's actually the opposite
Lurkmoar about the bots on UB

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>>102952420
more leaks from china

>>102952411
I've been waitfagging so long I don't even have a GPU anymore, and yet everything is still too bad in terms of performance per dollar to justify buying
I'm tired

>>102952645
just buy something you mong, the best time to purchase anything is when you need it

>>102952420
Zen 5 BUSSIN

>>102952651
I'm not buying overpriced garbage

>>102952668
used rdna2

>>102952668
buy a 6600

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>>102952633
>295w

>>102952683
power limit turned off

>>102948625
That is such a weird take when you claimed the opposite from Zen 1 to 3.

>>102952697
you need to turn the power limit off to hit 5.7GHz. Intel have absolutely WASTED 3nm

>>102952709
doubt they even give a shit about consumer anyways. their main market for non-server is mobile where its a wash and their shit makes more sense.
of course this just means that amd will price their shit even higher so it still sucks in that sense

>>102952724
about diy consumers**

>>102952683
at least intel is #1 at something

Chinks are claiming Arrow Lake is another case where you have to change windows power plan settings because the default cripples clocks.
When will they learn?
Reject big.little.
Return to homogenous CPUs.

>>102952736
>Return to homogenous CPUs.
and societies, diversity is cancer

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>>102952736
according to some austrian guy on OCN you need a specific version of windows 11 with the right scheduler

>>102952336
Definitely not a prebuilt; I'm building this rig myself. It’s meant for general use and some light gaming. The Ryzen 7 7800X3D will keep things running smoothly, and the RX 7600 should do just fine for 1080p gaming. I’m going with DDR5 5200 RAM for decent performance when multitasking, plus a 2TB HDD for my games and files. I plan to add more storage later on too.

>>102952767
Another Early Access CPU release where they will spend six months unfucking the chipset/BIOS/microcode after it gets beta-tested by early adopters.
Fucking hate the Current Year.

>>102952757
I wonder what kind of performance boost AMD would get if they suddenly made a monolithic CPU.

Aren't zen 5 also 2 CCXs and require windows to handle scheduling accordingly for max performance?

>>102952390
Thank you. I'll look into the suggestions.

>>102952779
>general use and some light gaming
You don't need an X3D if all you're doing is light gaming at 1080p. save yourself some money and get a 7600 instead.
>DDR5 5200 RAM for decent performance
two things, unless you actually need 64GB, don't get 64GB. and you should with Ryzen get 6000CL30 as that scales 1:1 with the IF.
>plus a 2TB HDD for my games and files. I plan to add more storage later on too.
with the money saved from the CPU you can just buy 2TB of gen 4 NVME

all in all you're retarded and i'm glad you came here to get your build fixed

>>102952231
Only in non-Z mobo
And even in non Z board they will perform better than non K cpu variants

>>102952782
just wait for the fixes bro

>check pcpp list
>change everything to parts that i bought/wish i could buy
i fixed your build

>>102952801
yes but its only bad when intel does it

>>102948413
I'm still saving money for a new PC so I'm going to wait anyway. Also with new releases the previous generation of GPU might get some discount and I'll grab something cheaper than it is right now.

>>102952789
The 8000 APUs are monolithic and can go down to like 50ns DRAM latency (compared to 65-ish for Zen 4/5), if they weren't crippled by having half the cache and lower thermal headroom, they would probably handily outperform the regular parts.

Help me make up my mind, anons.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gLWtxH
Budget: $1000 USD
I'll be using it for gaming, streaming and semi-productive things, granted that I'm not a lazy fuck.
Current build should be the same as the pcpartpicker list, outside of the non-purchased items. Those being:
>GPU: RX 7600
>RAM: 2x8GB 3400mhz CL18 corsair ram
>Case: Phanteks P400S
>Monitor: BenQ XL2411
In the case of the monitor, amazon scammed me out of the actual model I paid for years ago and I can't return it regardless.
As of right now, I'm not in any need to change my processor since I've gotten it only two years ago, but I am open to looking at the 5700X3D if anything.
I'm really not too sure if I want to get a new case, but I'm fine with changing it as I've had this one for over 7 years at this point and I could possibly just make an HTPC with any remaining parts I have.

>>102952910
>RAM: 2x8GB
It's not 2011 anymore, anon.

>>102952782
LMAO IMAGINING NEEDING DRIVERS FOR YOUR CPU

>>102952633
WHAT the FUCK

higher TDP than 14900KS?

DROP THE EMBARGO ALREADY FFS

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>>102952767
>according to some austrian guy on OCN you need a specific version of windows 11 with the right scheduler
Good. Fucking. GOD! HUB Steve will be mining content off this launch for MONTHS.

>>102952910
7800x3D is by far the best bang for buck part you can buy so build around that

get 32gb ddr5 6000 cl30 with that and you are set, will handle anything at 1080p even without an expensive gpu (cause you are more CPU bound)

http://softwareoffer.intel.com/offer/24Q4-24/learnmore

Assassin's Creed® Shadows Standard Edition for free ($69.99 value)?!?? and 6 months of Ubisoft+ shit? I'm sold! take my money intel!

>>102953039
WE

>>102953032
he has been shitting on zen 5 till the windows update fixed things so this will be entertaining if it is in fact like the rumors.

...why does a windows update boost fps 10-15%? fucking microsoft

>>102953039
>http://softwareoffer.intel.com/offer/24Q4-24/learnmore
POGGERS WOW I AM NOW BUYING A 285K!!!!!!!!!!!!! POGCHAMP IN THE CHAT

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>>102953039
id rather get KCD2

>>102951863
8% gen over gen isn't terrible, but it's certainly not great either.

>>102952633
Intel Core Ultra 9 285RBMK

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>>102952782
At least maybe by the time they get their shit together affordable B860-based boards will probably be out. No way in hell am I ever paying over $200 for a mobo without a POST Code Debug LED unless those Ultra-Chinesium MAXSUN Z890 boards appear on AliExpress for a good value.

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hmm

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take with a grain of salt:

on 7th of next month, AMD is only releaseing 9800X3D right? not the higher end X3D variants?

>>102953093
that's correct, the 9900X3D and 9950X3D will be out next year with the 5090 and V-cache on both CCDs

wonder what the marginal cost of a x3d chiplet is vs a non x3d one

>>102953122
like $20

>>102952231
>So an Intel "K" CPU should provide the same power and have the same power consumption as the non "K" version as long as you are not overclocking it, right?
No, the K-skus come with higher clocks and higher TDP.

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Most coherent arrow lake advocate.

>>102953076
>dercuck

>>102953087
that looks very promising

>>102952801
Only x900 and up. And even then it's only really a problem with the 3d cache variants that have asymmetric cores.

>>102952801
X3D chip erroneously running your game on a non-X3D CCD is less bad than a big.shittle chip erroneously running your game on an E-core.

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>>102953296
thats an intel favored game but the i9 15th gen loses to the 13700k

>>102953087
>9700X that high
I'm still not sure if Zen 5 is genuinely bad or if it's some sort of youtuber psyop to generate more drama.

>>102953475
the new windows was a big boost to zen 4 and zen 5

zen 5 still isn't amazing though, it's just more efficient zen 4 before the patch. now it's fine. microsoft must be in bed with intel.

>>102952633
What the fuck is this bar graph? The bars might as well not even be there with that scaling kek. This must be some sort of Intel bribery to hide the fact that their TDP is significantly worse.

>>102953489
>microsoft must be in bed with intel.
No that is a ridiculous belief - wintel would nev-ah fuck

I have to buy a new monitor for my gf. She runs on a RTX2060 and I'd like an IPS screen with Adaptive Sync (Freesync or whatever) but as far as I can see it only works through DisplayPort or HDMI 2.0 or higher. Many HDMI only monitors claim to have Freesync but the tech specs say HDMI 1.4. What's this about? Should I go only for a DisplayPort screen?

>>102953556
Xiaomi G Pro 27i

>>102953556
DisplayPort is better anyway (almost always higher speeds and better features; royalty-free and open rather than being controlled by some inane patent structure that demands vast payments from anyone daring to add an HDMI port on their device) and the only reason HDMI is still popular is because for some reason normies know of it more than DisplayPort, so in many cases it's the "default" display connectivity.

In any case almost all normal monitors have both ports and so do pretty much all GPUs. The only deciding factor is which cable you have on hand. Buy a displayport cable for ten bucks.

wasnt qualcomm going to buy intel

so what cooler will I need for my 9800x3d
my case only supports 240mm aios, am I shafted or is it fine

>>102953508
fun fact: the power is misleading cause it draws power in a different way this time

https://youtu.be/nmK1rCyKbgQ?si=hFnk0thDgWJPwUtl

steve had to make a special bench to measure power draw just for the new chips. so HWINFO might say 120 watts but it's not 120 watts.

>>102953594
my 7800x3D has an ak620 and even that is overkill, there is almost no power draw we're talking like 40-60 watts in games. AIO isn't really necessary but 240s would be fine.

>>102953591
No that was a bullshit rumour.

>>102953613
What do you mean the 24pin connector can actually supply 12v!? Nooooo only EPS monitoring or software reporting matters.

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>>102953591
>wasnt qualcomm going to buy intel
Lel they've got bigger problems ATM
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/report-arm-cancels-qualcomms-architecture-license-endangering-its-chip-business/

>>102953594
get the Arctic Liquid Freezer III

>>102953627
yeah but the 9800X3D is probably going to be a little more warm, its running at normal clock speeds compared to the 7800X3D and 5800X3D which weren't.

>>102953651
This falling out is going to have some far reaching consequences even if ARM can afford (and they can) to completely cut qualcomm off for real and lose out on the money they bring in. I'd lol though if we suddenly see a lot of companies spin up RISC-V teams as they see it as a plan B in case ARM gets even more gung ho.

>>102953594
check how many watts your cooler is meant to be able to cool

>>102953651
>you were born just in time for Intel to become Qualcomm's sweatshop
Smartphones are coming back home, x86 bros.

>>102953667
If qualcomm does that, the investors will tear a new one for the CEO, ARM will back track this decision like no other. ARM has no power here. ARM has shit for brains and they are going to turn into some stupid patent trolls if they keep this up.

>>102953696
smartphones are going to be running RISC-V in the next decade

>>102953666
anything handling 125W TDP should be plenty for the 9800x3D. Most decent air coolers can do 180+ even, AIO would require even less to cool

>>102953697
ARM shouldnt be stupid this would be like TSMC telling Nvidia to fuck off. They need each other.

>>102953667
>if we suddenly see a lot of companies spin up RISC-V teams
you do know that basically everyone is working on RISC-V right?

>>102953697
You could also view it as a game of chicken and see who blinks first.

>>102953717
ARM doesn't NEED qualcomms money. Amazon. Nvidia and Apple are aren't going anywhere.

>>102953723
Sure but not gunning for any real deployment - we could see an acceleration of work as more people get in on it.

>>102953697
>ARM has no power here
not who you replied too, but Apple silicon runs on ARM. Having Apple as a client alone gives them "fuck you" money, and they have other clients.

and regardless of how people feel about RISC, it's at least 4-5 years away from being remotely comparable even with massive funding

Is there that big of an improvement going from a 7800x3d to a 9800x3d?

>>102953717
You are right, I was going to say TSMC can tell Nvidia to fuck off, but they really can't.

>>102953735
>Sure but not gunning for any real deployment
because until literally about a week ago there was no standardised ISA for RISC-V, now however there is with RVA23

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>>102953735
This is so funny anon, who runs those companies? Dei hires? Women? (Mommy Su is fine, but not others.)

>>102953737
Anon, Applel is a founding member / investor. They get it for free. This is like Netflix losing 1/3 or 1/5 of their paying customers.

>>102953764
i blame DEI hires and women for moores law breaking

>>102953742
not sure, the clock increase will help but it's the vcache that does the real magic

>>102953742
probably not. very rarely is a single generation upgrade actually worth it.

if you're on a 5800X3D or older, its more than likely you'll notice a small increase in performance. otherwise more than likely not going to be worth it unless you don't care about budget.

I hate third world pc shops, these fags will give you a year or two guarantee on everything except the one thing that can blow up, the fucking power supply. Spent like a week trying to find that isn't in the avoid at all costs category kek.

>>102953793
Just buy Corsair or Super flower they come with 10years of warranty. You don't have to go to the vendor, you can directly RMA.

>>102953773
>Anon, Applel is a founding member / investor. They get it for free. This is like Netflix losing 1/3 or 1/5 of their paying customers.
No they aren't. Also, that's not how it works.

>>102953747
TSMC sells its best nodes to Apple and makes the most money from them 25%, Nvidia and AMD both are around 10% of TSMCs income.

>>102953773
I'd sacrifice 20% to stand on business.

ARM wants their cut, and they'll get it. They're too big and there are no alternatives. (Though this will definitely scare people into funding RISC dev now, luckily)

>>102953832
Do you even know why ARM are asking for more money?

>>102953815
Its only time before Nvidia and AMD come for the best nodes. High end data center customers are going to ask for it and TSMC is going to make if for them. Its only matter of time.

>>102953832
Bruh, I'd do it to my business as well, but this is a public company, they can't really take these kinds of descisions. Once you become public, you have to leave your dignity and balls at the door and just turn into a money making machine, at all cost.

>>102953838
I mean I'm not a financial expert or IS engineer, but my understanding is a company Qualcomm purchased had an insufficient ARM license for what Qualcomm is using it for? Server devices versus a broader-scoped license?

>>102953844
yeah but not for a while, AMD and Nvidia will move to N3 while Apple moves to N2

>>102953863
You're almost there, Qualcomm bought Nuvia (ex-Applel) who were making chips for server and promising x86 replacements for consumer devices (this is where the x series has come from) and ARM is arguing that Qualcomm did not inherit the license with the purchase because of the share of royalties in their contract vs Nuvia's old contract. So the case is about if it's valid for Qualcomm to be using Nuvia's license and paying their royalties even though Qualcomm already have a contract with ARM. So it's a bit of both companies wanting more money.

>>102953815
>>102953844
I'm honestly surprised nvidia isn't on the top, considering how huge their compute clients are.
Apple is of a comparable market cap but they make complete devices. For apple, LCD tech, wireless antenna tech, various gadgets like facial recognition cameras and fingerprint sensors, laptop keyboard design and laptop thermals in general... All of that contributes to their market value. And of course marketing, since they're b2c.
Meanwhile nvidia is pretty much purely b2b sales of computing power, and that alone makes for a market cap nearly equivalent to the entirety of apple.

reviews about to drop?

>>102953931
3 mins

>>102953844
>Its only time before Nvidia and AMD come for the best nodes.
Being early adopter means bad yields. Apple can deal with that because their chips are tiny, for Nvidia's and AMD's bigger chips that's not an option.

>>102953907
apple has the app store. nvidia has no equivalent in money or power.

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>>102953906
See the article I read from Slashdot specifically said that Nuvia's license was strictly for server devices, not consumer.

Going to do a little more digging.

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>>102953946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6kX7JWMiV0

>>102953946
I have seen both reported so I'm just casting the widest net

>>102953944
They have customers willing to pay extra for the gains in efficiency for their super high end products.

>>102953958
yea im about 5 minutes in, watching this rn. ty

>>102953965
But how many customers and how much extra? Paying up the ass for early access, then having to scrap half the dies because of defects, and paying for porting the architecture to the different node on top of that means that they would be a LOT more expensive.

REVIEWS WHERE

>>102954009
someone said 2h from now...

>>102954024
for fucks sakes

if it's bad i'll predict the tag "error lake".

>>102954028
I predict "sorrow lake"

>>102954028
for me it's "barrow lake"

>>102954028
I think it's going to be Arrow (to the knee) Lake

>>102954045
or this, yeah.

>>102954009
Raptor Lake embargo lifted at 6AM PST so an hour from now.

>>102954057
it's 8am PT apparently

inb4 intel bribed reviewers to not review it

>>102954045
I used to be the number one x86 cpu manufacturer until I took an arrow lake to the knee.

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>>102950648
>'Why is a costlier, higher-tier model better than the ASUS TUF?'
Jeeze I don't know, maybe because the proper level of competing model for the TUF is the Gaming OC?
AORUS Master is in the same higher-end product segment as the ASUS Strix and the MSI Suprim

>>102953945
But honestly that's another argument in my favour. Apple has ~3T market cap with shit like the app store. Nvidia has ~3T market cap purely selling GPUs manufactured at TSMC.

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i hear the funeral bells...

>>102954070
I still believe there are some Honest people. Hwbusters, Gamers Nexus etc. Let's see.

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>>102953958
>>102953946

So per Ian Cutress, Nuvia was only working on/had a server license. ARM licensing works vertically, so "pick-your-market". Server, SoC, Embedded, etc. Nuvia's was server, so their license either doesn't carry over for Snapdragon/Oryon or doesn't apply anyways since it's SoC.

Apparently Qualcomm is ARM's largest customer by revenue, and historically Qualcomm was thought to have had an ARM license (though clearly ARM's disputing their compliance).

Qualcomm said to Bloomberg essentially that they have "broad rights" under their architecture license and ARM's just trying to get more money out of them. ARM said "no comment" when Ian asked them.

Looks like the other side of this is Qualcomm trying to circumvent needing to have new SoC licensing for using Nuvia IP and trying to use their old license to cover new development with IP they bought.

Theoretically ARM can file an injunction and block any Qualcomm SoC devices from being sold in the United States.

>>102954115
kurwa lake

>>102954147
>sold in the United States
US would just be the start of the block going global. I can't imagine the EU wouldn't follow suit

>>102953958
I'm 5 minutes into this and so far it's
>Qualcomm already has an Arm license
>Buys Nuvia that also had another different Arm license
>Tries to leverage said people/IP/etc make new Arm product
>Arm: NUOOOOOO YOU DIDN'T LICENSE HARD ENOGUH! BANNED.
Arm is sounding like a little bitch here. Welp 15 minutes to go.

https://videocardz.com/188838/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-ultra-7-265k-and-ultra-5-245k-review-roundup
>https://videocardz.com/188838/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-ultra-7-265k-and-ultra-5-245k-review-roundup
https://videocardz.com/188838/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-ultra-7-265k-and-ultra-5-245k-review-roundup
>https://videocardz.com/188838/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-ultra-7-265k-and-ultra-5-245k-review-roundup

HERE WE GO

migrate (fresh bread)
>>102954184
>>102954184
>>102954184

>>102954178
Afaik it's something like
>qualcomm, under its own broad license, used mostly arm-designed chips but just customised them (so they also paid for the chip design too, a more expensive license than just the ISA)
>nuvia builds chips from scratch, so they only need a cheaper ISA-only license, but they also only have a server license
>qualcomm buys nuvia and starts using their bespoke designs for SoC
>qualcomm now saves money because they no longer need the chip license since they're using their own (nuvia's)
>ARM is mad because qualcomm is using nuvia's designs for SoC when nuvia only had a server license
Basically from ARM's point of view, nuvia never paid a SoC license, but now Qualcomm (without having to spend tons on their own R&D) gets away with not paying for the cortex license thanks to the acquisition.

What's likely gonna be the best GPU to replace a 3080 10GB in a 5700X3D build to ride out AM4 until next generation (AM6 and beyond)?
750w PSU ain't gonna cut it is it?

>>102955203
You'll be fine with 750w. Have you thought about 4080s?