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I just bought my first PC & accessories with these specs>RTX 4060 Ti 8GB GDDR6X 128BIT>Intel Core I5 12400F >MSI H610M ddr4>RAM 2x8GB 16GB ddr4>SSD 1 TB>4x fan/cooler + casing + PSU + LAN cable>Wi-Fi USB stick>Windows 11 license>1080p 165hz 24 inch monitor>$15 keyboard + mouse + pad set>500 GB worth of pirated games installedFor around $940Did I get scammed or is that a good price?
Shintel trannies on suicide watch.
>>102954199super powerful gears are pointless and a waste of money.
>>102954209I think you got hosed desu, but that's not a bad pc by any means. DDR4 + dead platform is what makes it hard to swallow.
>>102954199core ultra is a step in the right directon, more efficiency, improved core designlower tdp and no unnecessary hyperthreading as they have e-cores insteadneed their mobile igpus like the arc 140v on desktop though, would pair greatly with quicksync for a mini-itx htpc + emulation pc
>>102954209>paying for windowsscammed on that but not terrible overall
>tfw you patched the speedholes
>AVOID: Intel 13/14 series
WHERE'S THE YOUTUBER REVIEWSI CAN'T READ
>>102954237I think Windows is mass retail version (<$5)>>102954230>DDR4 + dead platform is what makes it hard to swallowwhat do you mean? what should I do so I make optimal decision in 5-7 years when I upgrade my thing?
BULLDOZER GENERATION>BULLDOZER GENERATIONBULLDOZER GENERATION>BULLDOZER GENERATIONIt is OVER for silicon technology, the tech tree is all but complete. The software battle remains nonetheless. Will they find an alternative in the periodic table or will Moore's Law remain dead and buried?
>>102954209only by about $100 which is labor I guess.
BRACE FOR IMPACT
>>102954209>>Windows 11 licenseThat was bad.The rest seems fine.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zt4pjH
Embargo lifts in 1,5h, right?
>>102954265at least zen5 is more like a skylake generation than a arrowdozer one
>>102954288>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYbK8KE1hB0Brace for the shockThe traumaBrace myself for the impactBrace for the shockThe traumaBrace myself for the impactI can hardly breatheI can hardly breatheCause I am choking on this deadly scream
>>102954260>what do you mean? what should I do so I make optimal decision in 5-7 years when I upgrade my thing?They're saying you'll need to buy/build a whole new PC after 5-7 years instead of slotting in a CPU in an AM5 system.AM5 would've made you get a weaker video card anyway.
>>102954260You can't upgrade is what I'm saying. There are no more LGA1700 processors coming, 13th and 14th gen processors are ewaste. All the fags awaiting core ultra processor is going to be on a new socket. This is unlike AMD, they used AM4 for 8 years and there are plans to use AM5 until 2025 and beyond. DDR5 >> DDR4, that simple. Don't worry anon, its still a good pc, just that you'll not have any good upgrade options.
SHOT THROUGH THE PARTAND YOU'RE TO BLAMETHIS CPU GEN HAS NO GAINS
>>102954335>20252027
>>102954316One, nothing wrong with IntelTwo, nothing wrong with CoreThree, nothing wrong with UltraFour, nothing wrong with 370WFive, something's got to giveSeven, something's got to giveNine, something's got to giveAAAAAAAAAAINTEL STOCK WILL HIT THE FLOORINTEL STOCK WILL HIT THE FLOOR
STILL WORSE THAN 7800X3D, OR EVEN A 9600X IN GAMINGSTILL CAN USE TWICE THE POWER IN SAID GAMES FOR 20% WORSE PERFNOTHING LEFT FOR MEIT'S THE ULTIMATE DOOOOOOOM
>>102954348lmao goddamn far cry 5 - falling behind the mid range chips!
INTEL WONTHANK YOU INTEL
>>102954199From conclusion of the chinese review>Even with DDR5 8000MHz high-frequency memory, the measured E-Core memory latency is still as high as 120ns, while the P-Core is 81ns. The difference between these two numbers is as high as 50%.>High memory latency has little effect on conventional productivity applications, but the game frame rate is lower than the memory latency and is very sensitive. Unless all P-Cores are called, once E-Core is called, the game running efficiency will inevitably be affected.>For this reason, we specifically turned off E-Core in BIOS and retested the game results using 8 P-Cores. The average frame rate of 14 games can be increased by as much as 4%!
>>102954339theres nothing wrong with that though, theyre optimizing their cpu architectures>avx512 2x256 on 9000>removing hyperthreading on core ultrayoure getting a more efficient design moving forward
>>102954351That's just wild. I was thinking if I'm ever going to need to replace my 7900x, but I'm in for a good time, comfy that I bought x870 desu.
EIGHTY NANOSECOND LATENCY WITH 8000+MHZ RAMEven fucking 6000MHz EXPO (CL30) untuned Ryzen is better than that, with a shittier core connection system what the fuck
Lads, are we actually in for an ACTUAL Bulldozer moment again in our time?
>>102954368>we specifically turned off E-Core in BIOSESTROGEN CORES USELESS YET AGAIN-32% IPC
>>102954386With intel anything is possible.
>>102954373You're going to eat well with a 10800X3D equivalent on Zen 6 anon, even if intel improves the cores IPCs again. Their tiles need to be scrapped and replaced ASAP
Another 5800X3D dubya
>>102954367>Counter-StrikeI mean we always knew that Source games always liked Intel CPUs better, but are there any more results like this or is this an outlier?
>>102954373HWUnboxed is pretending Zen6 isn't on AM5 except they've specifically said support until 2027+ and Zen6 will probably be 2026, let alone if AMD does Zen5+ with a refreshed IOD in 2025.
7800X3D +$100
>>102954368>E-Core memory latency is still as high as 120ns>P-Core is 81ns>with DDR5 8000MHz high-frequency memoryIntel straight-up doesn't give a fuck about gamers, which is fine if they had the rest of their business in order.
>>102954379they fucked up the soc die didnt they
>>102954379bingbus go boom >>1029543935800x3d keeps winning
>>102954394Forza Horizon 5
>>102954368>measured E-Core memory latency is still as high as 120nshearty KEK at the people touting "raptorlake performance e-cores"
>>102954325>>102954335>you'll need to buy/build a whole new PC after 5-7 yearsI don't understand why.In the future, can't I simply... buy a 16th gen i5 or 7060 Ti or something? to replace my 12th gen i5 and 4060 Ti?What's the definition of "upgrade" in pcbuilding anyway. is it different from "replacing parts"?
>>102954411i'm so glad their fucking bingbuses got nuked broslike, bing bing wahoo! no 6ghz, no monolithic, this is the true intel
>>102954419>9600x on top dafuq is going on with this game
>>1029544319600X can clock really high on 105W
>>102954368>>102954389
>>102954431Tbf all the top results are within error margin of each other.
>>102954429BACK IN MY DAY
>>102954386I refuse to believe it. Shintel is not that incompetent. They won't let 13th and 14th gen happen again.
Has computer case technology advanced at all in the last decade? Is there any reason to replace my old cooler master haf X, assuming I'm satisfied with airflow/internal temps?
>>102954450When you look back 20 years, I think at some point you might have expected the reckoning to finally come for Intel after all the billions they wasted and all the time they spent not investing into anything new.
>>102954408the interconnect must be trash, its right next to the memory controller
>>102954456Case makes invented amazing new solutions for self-inflicted problems.
>>102954298I was thinking of getting win10, but support will stop next year, so why not just get win11? though I really dislike the File Explorer sorting & UI.
>>102954427The 16th gen i5 will not go into your motherboard because they will be two completely different sockets. Buying a new CPU would mean you also need to buy a new motherboard, and also new RAM. Which is basically buying an entirely new computer. That's why.
>>102954431Golden sample. It can't be better than 7800x3d.
>>102954456not really, its just a box.
>>102954429theyre fucked tbqhtheir bingbus was the only good thing for their cpu archs and the reason why skylake+++++ could compete with zen3
>>102954477>and also new RAMwhy a new RAM too?at least I can resell parts... wait, can I, after 5 years?
>>102954478nah its more than likely one of the outlier games where its benefiting from the new architecture in Zen5.
>>102954468Exciting
>>102954427What I mean is a lot of people just upgrade the processor and gpu and get mad gainz. You can still get better graphics card, but not better CPU.
>>102954477CUDIMM are still compatible with standard DDR5 slots.
>>102954493If that's true zen5 is much better than I thought. And there are fags calling zen5 the bulldozer.
Clearwater Forest is going to end Intel as a company.
>>102954492New RAM because the new motherboard will likely only take DDR5 (or whatever might be the latest in your hypothetical future, who knows), and your RAM right now is DDR4. Motherboards only take specific kinds of RAM. You can't use RAM from 30 years ago in a motherboard today. You get it?
>>102954492Because the new motherboards use DDR5 so your old RAM would become useless. I don't think the 4060 Ti would even last long desu so you're fucked on all aspects. Do your research before buying next time.
>>102954508I don't think I get how that is relevant in this situation.
>>102954517it was called Zen 5%, because everyone got used to double digit uplifts from Zen archs, AMD using the same IOD killed the uplift IMO.. and the fact is they might be able to do a refresh next year with a better IOD that can clock the IF higher.
>I ordered an Z890 mATX board as well as a Core Ultra 7 Bros, I feel like that wasnt a good idea after all...
>>102954476I just thought you paid the full retail price, OS is fine.>>102946022
How much red are we expecting? I'm thinking more like 8% drop.
>>102954560cancel now and order zen 5....
>>102954544I didn't read the reply chain, I thought you were implying that they'd need a new DDR5 motherboard for reasons.>>102954560Cancel.
>>102954560Told you to skip™ NAHrrow Lake, or is it Error Lake?
>>102954562reminds me of that guy that bought intel right before it crashed https://old.reddit.com/r/Boglememes/comments/1eipbvg/specific_risk_all_of_wsb_talking_about_the_guy/
What's AVX512 useful for, anyway? Can I compile shit faster, or is only some hyper-specific games or scientific workloads?
>>102954499>>102954531I see, so if I get this right, THE most important part of PC is the Motherboard as it's very "specific" in compatibility stuff, while everything else (RAM, CPU, VGA) can be customized according to user's needs?>>102954534>I don't think the 4060 Ti would even last longwhy? and what's the sign that my VGA needs to be replaced?
>>102954560>AIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>102954560Anon, I...
>>102954240>7000mz cl32 paired with ryzenhuh, wouldn't 6000 cl30 be better?
>>102954575nek minut 18A gets cancelled too...
>>102954578you can compile shit faster
>>102954575Its sorrow lake desu,
>>102954562Arrow Lake launch isn't going to affect Intel's share price.OEMs already bought these chips, they're the ones that make the difference.DIY desktop sector, and gaming, are a small subset of their business.Intel's board partners and retailers are the ones in trouble.I'm guessing they only made the minimum viable amount of orders for the higher-end motherboards.
>>102954594yes, they're obviously trying to make Intel look better by running the AMD CPUs in 2:1 mode.
>>102954606Ok basedZen 5 thinkpads wen
>>102954562Already priced in.
>>102954476LTSC version has support until 2034. Just check the windows thread here on /g/ and check how it will stick around for at least a decade more.Hell, I personally was running W7 up until last year, 14 years after its original release. Also W11 is pure thrash and it will give you tons of headaches for the next few years as Microsoft uses it as a testing bed for their worse business practices.
It all makes sense now the users of these sites are poor pajeets from India
>>102954585IDK if its the most important part, but that is the gist anon. You still have a very good PC anon forget us fags. Congrats on the new PC.
>>102954578all 3
>>102954614>I'm guessing they only made the minimum viable amount of orders for the higher-end motherboards.hahahah... have you seen how many SKUs of 1851 motherboards there are?
>>102954621>>102954614Priced in isn't even a meme at this point and I agree with you guys. Let's see by how much I'm wrong today.
>>102954596Intel can't afford to fuck up 18A, it's their live-or-die node.You might see Intel getting US government bailout and there's going to be Federal government-appointed executives & directors until Intel's healthy enough to pay the bailout fund (+interest) back.That means fewer executive pay raises & bonuses etc.Intel's doing everything to avoid that.https://www.wsj.com/business/crises-at-boeing-and-intel-are-a-national-emergency-093b6ee5
>>102954209i just busted a fat nut to this bitch on gelbooru
>>102954585The motherboard will dictate what you can use, yes. You can get anything you want to plug into it, within the limitations of what is compatible with it.
>>102954585>why? and what's the sign that my VGA needs to be replaced?If you are not getting the fps and resolution in the applications that you want to run.
>>102954562the drop will come in 3 months when intel admits their client margins are obliterated by the high cost of advanced nodes and packaging
>>102954644It doesn't matter if board partners have 100 different Z890 motherboard designs if they only printed about 10,000 each.That's the point I'm trying to make.
>>102954614>Intel's board partnersGetting fucked just means they sell for the right price.They aren't loosing a single penny on any board even if they slashed them in half.
>>102954585>and what's the sign that my VGA needs to be replaced?when your gpu runs out of vram. is your 4060 ti 8gb or 16gb? the latter one will ofc last you a bit longer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0thread theme
>>102954675Look at the PE anon, its higher than ASML, TSMC and lots of other companies in this sector. Shintel is going to get its shit pushed in. This is not good.
>>102954585What I meant was that the 4060 Ti is already pretty weak so if you wanted to play new games several years down the line you're probably going to struggle. For example look at recently released games like Space Marine 2 already recommending an RTX 3070 which is about the same level as the 4060 Ti. The 8GB of VRAM may also be an issue which will force you to turn down settings or resolution so that you're not getting stutters as a result of exceeding the VRAM buffer.
is boeing and intel both pajeeted?
>>102954729yes
>>102954704listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPLekAmJ1KQ right now
>>102954431don't bother with any of these chink chartsvery weird results
>>102954632>>102954664Ok. I don't really play high demanded "realistic looking" games so I think I'm safe until my hardware literally break down. my past laptops average life expectancy is also 5 year ish.>>102954691>when your gpu runs out of vramhow do I know that?>>102954720>Space Marine 2 already recommending an RTX 3070 which is about the same level as the 4060 Tiit's weird that 3xxx is more powerful or as powerful as 4xxxbigger number should be better according to my simple logic
Not that PE means shit to stock price in the short term, IDK what shintel is thinking.
>>102954771All the chip designers are giving you smaller GPU dies every new generation, making it harder for the new card models to outperform older ones.
why dont chip makers make physically larger chips to make them more performant and cramp more stuff in? is it because heat? or are those reserved for datacenters?
>>1029548262070 super die size: 545 mm23070 Ti die size: 392 mm24070 super die size: 294 mm2
>>102954889bigger chips actually dissipate heat quicker because of surface area, main things issuing chip sizes is reticle limit, cost, binning and in Nvidia's case greed
>>102954889The chip maker (Nvidia) will have to eat the lower yields. Also, there is like a max wafer size limit, that's why the industry is moving to chiplets.
>>102954889nvidia manages to make massive perf increases on the xx90 gpu each gen tho
Are review out? I want to witness Intel sotck going down 20% again.
>>102954826It's the same thing Intel did as a monopoly during the quad core hell.
>>102954240CP2077 from a chink reviewer Fucking awful Intel
With 18A's release, this will all come into order.
>>102955093>two more nodes bros...
>>102955093>just one more process node
>>102955093So another year of waiting? AMD will be releasing Zen6 on 3nm by then.
reviews soon
>>102954209You only mistake was busting Windows.
>>102955093they have the node advantage and they're behind, even if 18A = N2 AMD will be on N3...
>>102955025LIke others said, its priced in.
>>102955074>$800 Z890 board>$600 CPU>$300 CUDIMM DDR5 kit (6400MT/s @ 1.1V JEDEC)>For thisAlso, wtf is up with the captcha in this place? They have a serious botting problem?
r/intel is about to commit a mass suicide HAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>102955074Well it looks like karma truly exists and she is a bitch, now I hope it comes for NVIDIA too, AI bubble bursting soon maybe.
Intel trying to glue cpuusing more expensive gluefail horribly
what do you need the latest super powerful gear for?
>>102955223>$800 Z890 board>$600 CPU>$300 CUDIMM DDR5 kit (6400MT/s @ 1.1V JEDEC)>just to match a 7600xwe need this in the clown meme
ITS FUCKING OVER
Core Ultra Nein
>>102955312blender cycles within a timely fashion minecraftstable diffusion
>>102955327BASED
>>102955327I FUCKING CALLED IT HERE >>102954045
>>102955331Steiner's process node will bring everything under control.
>>102955093Bros..
>Fanxiang are selling a 4TB NVME for $160It's QLC obviously, but I mean it's such good value I have to buy it right?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rrym7146I_8Shintel on suicide watch. Level 1 ftw.
worse at games than my 7700 nonxhttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/
GET IN HERE:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXLY8kEdR1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n537Z7pJug
>>102955376*breaths in*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>102955376oh, looked at 265k which is $395
>the faildozer gen is officialHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIT OH MY GOD HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE
>>102955365Intel should have at least paid Linus, they know he'll take the money for a favourable review
>>10295537614th gen (with fixed firmware) looking like a steal right now desu
OK ARROW LAKE IS SHIT, INTELSISTERSDO WE JUMP TO RED?
>>102955405ALL LIES, ADVANCED MARKETING LIES STOP LYING BLOODY BENCHOD
>>102955411Just get a Zen5 bluetard
>>102955405were lucky to be here on the day the once-in-a-decade arrowdozer dropped
>that much of a loss versus previous gen Holy fuck I don't even remember Bulldozer being this bad. Was Bulldozer this much of a regression in perf gen to gen?
>>102955377>gaymers nexus>memeware unboxedboth of those are paid by amd to make intel look bad
>>102955427HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
CPUPro loading his revolver atm
>>102955437>tech powered by AMD up
Hippity hoppity this cpu is a floppity.
>>102955437you don't need more than 60fps
>>102955425Generally no because it brute forced it via clockspeed.
>>102955376>>102955437>first 13 and 14th exploding CPUs>now their own bulldozer moment>amidst a delicate position in the stock marketoof Intcel sissies.
>>102955425Power use down massively, 245k matching 9700 in productivity it reminds me of alderlake gen.Total flop in desktop thou.
>aymders nexus>amd unboxed>tech powered by AMD up>amdworld
>>102954560I don't see the problem
>amd inside
I like how it still uses the same cpu retention bracket so this will bend like a rainbow as well.
>>102955368Do you care about your data? Why not older crucial SSDs?
What happened yesterday?
>>102955534deleted reviews with poor scores that were real lmao
How much were they charging for the 245K again?>9700X in multi thread>7600 in gaming
AMD CPU + AMD GPU is the next gen combo. Nvidia drivers suck worse than AMD now. Intel CPUs are a disaster.
>>102955427I trust gamers nexus. He has some integrity, but his reviews suck balls.
Can't fucking wait for the 9800 X3% now that we have Arrowdozer out. This CPU generation is so fucking great.
>>102955501was 10th gen the last good generation
>>102955539Amd GPUs for Loonix yes, are Windows drivers for njudea bad? Hard to believe.
>>10295555312th gen was good
STOP THE FUCKING COUNT
If I plan to undervolt GPU right from the start, do I care about the stock benchmark temps/noise of each vendor? The 4070TiS choices that fit in my case are>MSI Gaming slim>Palit Jetstream>Gainward Super Phoenix III
>>102955553at least 12th gen matched Zen3 IPC and could clock higher
>>10295555312th gen was good if you got one of the earlier chips and disabled the e-cores for avx512 functionalityotherwise, 10th gen is the last good one yes
ok fuck arrow lake,Which AMD should i get? AMD Ryzen 9 9900X? I'm not waiting for X3D of this and I don't want 9800X3D
>>1029555829900X if you need the cores
>>102955568Nvidia has broken MPOs on Windows which means broken flip model, broken HDR, broken Gdeflate, etc.
>>10295555312th gen desu.
>>102955574>worse than even 12th genOh no no no
>>102955539the realest niggers are on linux with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu
>>102955574wait till you see the cyberpunk benchmark lmfao
>>102955596I WARNED YOU ABOUT ARROW LAKE BRO, I WARNED YOU>>102955604my body was not ready
Will it outflop Zen 5?
>>102955582Idk if I'd buy 9900x over 7950x. If you gayme, 7800x3d might still be the best, after 7900x3d and 7950x3d. I own a 7900x BTW.
>>102955572>>102955577>>102955578>>102955594but the ecores, theyre badmeme scheduling, higher latency according to tech yes city, its better gaming performance to disable them to clock higher due to less heat
>>102955615No, Inteljeets buy every gen
>>102955588Any actual real human problems?
>>102955620exactly why i said you had to get one of the earlier ones that had avx512 and just treat the e-cores as non-existent
>>102955608Are you surprised? Maybe it's surprising HOW bad it is but come on. What's sad is that this slop requires a new socket too. At least with the old one you could cope and get a 12th gen CPU to hold you over.
>'OC3D review is FAKE AND GAY!'>'F-F-factorio benchmark result is scuffed!'>OC3D publishes final review with exact same slideKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKhttps://youtu.be/NudMXakmzlg?t=882
>>102955608lol, it is actually Intel's Bulldozer
>>102955630g-sync flicker on 550 and up
>>102955657wtf core 7 worse than ryzen 9 3000 series lolwhat went wrong? bad bios?
>>102955574>7600x wins over 7950xweird bench
>>102955657>v-videocardz deleted it because it was fake, not to protect OC3D from breaking embargo
AMDunboxed does it again.
>>102955597I'm on Loonix with amd cpu and no GPU. I can't decide.
>>102955620Not to mention their Estrogen™ cores are misleading. They can claim stupid shit like having 24 cores which is actually 8 cores or having high clocks which is also ridiculous. At least with hyperthreading it's clear. Yes, it's 8 core but 16 threads.
>>102955671If it is bouncing across the ccx the latency penalty will drag the 7950x waaaay down.
Which one is "best for price":9900X - 499€7950X - 550€7800X3D - 499€ (I don't really game)I'm thinking 9900X as its more recent gen.
>>102955608
What do you use your super powerful PC for?
>>1029556937800X3D is the best no matter how you look at it. Easily going down in history as one of the greatest CPUs ever made. This fucker came out in 2022 and it's consistently selling out still.
>>102955693If you dont game what do you do on your pc?
>>102955680based. GPU's are bloat anyway
>>102955695Yeah, over for AMD.
>>1029556939900X is the best bet
>>102955699Talking to you
>>102955693>I don't really gameToshiba laptop
>>102955668this post sums it up well >>102954368games rely a lot on memory latency being low which is why x3d cpus slay at gaming
>>102955576Those are all decent models, get one with the thickest heatsink and largest fans if fitment isn't an issue.Check below link for fan diameter information if you care.https://www.gpufanreplacement.com/950~1000mV is the voltage/efficiency sweet spot for Ada Lovelace 10X chips.
>>102955693>7950X - 550€??
>>102955699having three browser tabs and spotify open, of course
>>102955680Just get an RX 6600. Or whatever the current entry level RX card is. What's the problem? Any GPU is significantly better than an iGPU.
>>102955700>9800X3D will have a 10% uplift
>>102955597>>102955680i thought nvidia gpus only worked barely fine with wayland? is it ok to be stuck to only using wayland
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/INTEL WONTHE RETURN OF THE KING
>>102955608>The latest, +$300 DDR5 kits on NAHrrow Lake>Performing lower than 2~3 years old 6000-6400MT/s 12th gen systems
>>102955700it came out in april 2023the 5800x3d came out in 2022
295k when?
Intel is just transitioning from CPU to GPU manufacturing, it's nothing. Wait for Battlemage, you'll be sorry, goyim chuds.
>>102955730I've heard amd is the only way to go for Loonix, njudea drivers suck ass. Wayland works pretty good these days.
>>102955722well yeah,, about that..
>>102955750>Intel is just transitioningYou could've stopped right here
>>102955738seems like the new cpu is gamer equivalent to 14600k, use slightly less watts and wont degrade over time, but has nothing on price performance vs amd
>>102955730Also, I've been using only Wayland on Fedora for the past 2 to 3 years for work.
>>102955073Not really, at least NVIDIA still gives you bitchin' fast shit if you're going to pony up. The Intlel stagnation era was 2% lmaomachines even with the top models. Look at the specs of the 4090 and rumored 5090, that's a lot of fat hardware they're willing to sell you.
>>102955746I swear I remember mine saying ® 2022 AMD or something
>245K is $310DOA until B860 boards
>>102955699Work
>'Fake leaked charts! Wait for final product reviews!'>'Bad reviews! Wait for Windows scheduler updates!'>'Bad motherboard manufacturers! Wait for BIOS updates!'>'Wait for memory OC guides! You just need to put a fan on top of the modules! The sticks just need over 1.5V!'
my 10600k looking better than ever
>sucks a bunch of juice from the ATX 24pinYeah, I bet anyone just measuring the EPS is going to be fooled.
intel should have stuck to their bingbus
>>102955716>>102954368>we specifically turned off E-Core in BIOS and retested the game results using 8 P-Cores. The average frame rate of 14 games can be increased by as much as 4%!A whole 4% gain! Just disable the shit you paid for!
>>102955815We need a new version of this.
>>102955712This is a fucking meme. I bought into the stinkpad meme for way too long. I wish I bought a hedt much earlier. I'd be running VMs, llms, stable diffusion and much more.
>>102955815Back to back to back failed CPU launches. Pretty impressive to be this bad.
The 5700x3d I got for $160 from Aliexpress outperforms Intel's newest slop, what a time to be alive.
>>102955846Why not? 13/14 gen users were already used to this.
>>102955822Time to delid, use ptm7950 with an Arctic freezer 3 to push it to 5.2Ghz
All i want is an AMD board with similar specs to the Z890M AORUS ELITE WIFI7 ICE>then I can be free of the blue beast
>basically matches the 5800x
>>102955835perfectly normal for 285k. it needs that extra juice to operate smoothly
>>102955784>fedorausing anything other than debian/ubuntu and arch is an ickmint is acceptable in a case by case basis though
>>102955525It's $60 more for a crucial bro
>>102955890with similar looks and mATX
>>102955891I can't wait to watch the autistic testing of Intels bullshit claims, it's almost 2am here and I gotta sleep
panther lake will fix this
It is the year of the Linux desktop, window benchmarks are irrelevant.
Final Fantasy XIV: DawntrailCore Ultra 9 285K - 196 FPS at 60 WCore i9 14900K - 245 FPS at 99 WOkay? Of course it'll be more efficient if it does less. Nice brag retards.
>>102955763>MikromafiaDoes mafia mean something different in Finnish?
>>102955945I'm tired of waiting.
>>102955981No I think it means what you think it means. Just a play on words. Like Micro Center but Micro Mafia. Probably not as politically correct over there.
>>102955895- Using ubuntu is sucking amazon's cock.- Using debian for dev is a meme. I want all the packages to be cutting edge, I've a dev. Debian should be used for something like a DB server or Web server. Using debian on local machine is for non straight people only.- Arch is acceptable for me. I wouldn't mind nixos and guixSD either.
>>102955895I forgot about mint. Mint is for people who drink puddle water regularly.
>>102955906Get it bro, its worth it for storing pictures of your tentacle pron and high school gf.
>>102956004>I want all the packages to be cutting edgeSwitch to Sid. Basically rolling release Arch while being more stable.
>>102956004dont insult debian its my daily driver
>>102955890I bought x870 Pro Rs wifi. I'm pretty satisfied with it, get x870e taichi lite and you'd not want for anything. Gigabyte also has great am5 x870 and x870e boards, come to am5 anon.
>>102956031Only way to use Debian for me then.
best 64gb ddr5 kit i could get here is 6000 30-40-40-96, is it enough for a 9950x?
>>102956051im looking at the GIGABYTE B650M AORUS Elite AX ICE Might cancel my 285k and wait for 9800x3d since nothing has actually shipped yet
Day 567 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>AM4 is still kino
>>102956063For developement (whatever it is) you would likely get all the software/components you need from source which means you get the latest versions available or certain versions you need. If you get your "dev software" relying on what stored in repositories then you likely don't care that much about its versions and features.
>>102955727I was pretty set on 7900GRE, I don't game, my only use for it might be running high refresh rate monitor and running something like llama 3.1. IDK if llama supports AMD gpus. If it does I might go for the 7900xtx. But that shit costs about the same as 4080s, IDK if 7900xtx is even a good deal. I don't want to deal with tinker-tranny modding njudea drivers anymore, I have a proper job now. I want everything to just work.So its between 7900GRE (budget) or 7900xtx if it actually works or Njudea 4080s just because.
>>102956127good B-die already gone extinct
>Jews2Cents trying to cope it all awaythe software just has to grow into it
>>102956081Bruh, might as well get b650e/x670e/x870/x870e boards. B650m is not the meta for high end anymore.
>>102956155the only reason im looking at b650m it due to me wanting a white mATX board. Im not seeing many other chipset options on PC partpicker
do you think amd will launch a 7700x3d or make the 7600x3d available to everyone
>>102956130That's code anon. I like to have to latest llvm, gcc, emacs, python etc on my local. These are not directly relevant, but I like having them. I don't want docker container command or venv for everything. Some up to date local software is nice to have.
>>102956174Indubitably.AMD is a third world ally and will lift every gamer of colour out of FPS poverty.
>>102956185God willing I'll have an affordable game setup on my brazilian salary. Just one more month, brothers.
Will I face performance issues if I use a Intel ddr5 kit with an AMD cpu/mobo? I assume it will still boot
>>102956170Not many mATX boards lol. I would've gone for something like B650M PG Riptide WiFi White or B650m pro rs for mATX, since I'm a asrock fan boi. But Gigabyte is cool too. What case are you thinking. My qube500 took x870 pro rs like a champ.
>120ns E-core latencyI CAN'T RETRIEVE
Do we feel bad for Intel or is it just funny?
If a lightning strikes my house, and my PC is off and disconnected from the plug BUT it it connected to various devices plugged into a multiplug (like printer, display etc.), does my PC also get fried? Or is it safe?
>>102956262Can a moderator on 4chan please delete this antisemitic post? Thank you.
>>102956254No
>>102956265Intel has been shitting the bed lately AND they are from Tel aviv, so they made their own bed.
>>102956254Mobos support xmp as well, you'll be fine. xmp vs expo is different ways of storing timings. You'll be totally fine. I bought expo just to be safe.
>>102956265I feel bad for myself when I think of the price I'm going to have to pay for an X3D CPU.Intel can go burn in hell.
>Well at least Arrow Lake is power efficient.>Stop looking at the 24-pin power draw!
>>102956256i already have a tower 300
>>102956265I feel bad for them, people in fabs lose jobs, stock holders lose monies. It just affects everybody. All because black rock wanted to inject DEI into Shintel.
>>102956311its still efficient even with the 24pin spikes, but it sucks at gaymes
>>102956138used ballistix kits are still cheap
>>102956265Only thing I have against Intel is the fanboys. I don't need to start every sentence with "I have loads of black friends I'm not a racist, but I just think Intel...". They finally shit the bed bad enough for the ignorant slaves to take notice.
>>102956330That's like bragging that a Prius is more efficient than a Ferrari. I guess? But of course it will be.
>>102956043You do know debian is only for lesbians right?
LOOOOOOOOLBest choice for creators everyone!
Anons , I have a 5600 CPU and currently using an AK400 as a cooler.I don't like it, it's a chunk of metal. My CPU isn't the type that runs hot so getting a 240 aio is overkill imo. But would a single fan aio be good?
>>102956373Bruh spend the monies on a better processor instead of cooling solutions.
>>102956262kek
>>102956373You don't need an aio.
>>102956364no its for alpha males who dont need more and want things to just werk
>>102956265I am look at the big picture, and I am worried, Intel is the only western company with the capacity to make cutting-edge lithography, I don't want them to go bankrupt. I use a AMD CPU btw.
Jewtocope video...
>>102956419That's why we have Fedora anon.
>>102956421same, they will probably be better on the next iteration. the question is how much will their reputation be destroyed before thenAMD is sandbagging right now or they have reached the limit of their current design
>>102956436fedora neckbeard
does the crucial p5 need a heatsink/pad? if so do i have to remove the crucial sticker?
>>102956444Checked, they have to improve their infinity fabric a lot by their next release.
>>102956367I'm genuinely confused. The selling point for Arrow Lake is only that it's more efficient (not really) while being worse at everything else? All this for the luxury of having to invest in a new socket? You get the NPU but what retard spends that kind of money without buying discrete graphics. Everyone uses Nvidia for AI anyway.
>>102956421>I don't want them to go bankrupt.Yes you do. They go bankrupt get sold to to a non retarded company and get rebuilt from the top down. They need to fail
>>102956444Zen 5 is perfectly fine for non-latency bound IPC on server and such, gaming is being held back by Infinity Fabric, IOD shrink/redesign will be the next big gaming uplift for AMD.
>>102956383I don't really have plans on upgrading till 2025>>102956390Stick with this block of metal? Uggh fine
>>102956473One of the reasons why I used Ubuntu for way too long. I don't care anymore because it just werks.
>>102956492>Stick with this block of metal? Uggh fineYes, also, throw the glass in the bin and get a solid cover.
>>102955763last time I checked finland is in the EUwhy not order from germany?
>>102956485i thought AMD's IF sucked really bad but apparently intel can't do any better lmaoAMD has some really high bandwidth chiplet interconnects in RDNA3 which are being completely wasted on a broken GPU architecture
>>102956485Zen5s problem is that AMD cheaper out and used the same IO die as zen4, on their data center zen5 CPUs they actually updated the IO die and they got massive gains and can use significantly higher memory speeds.
>>102956488They can't ever go bankrupt retard. Intelaviv will get as much money in gubernment gibs as necessary to stay afloat
>>102956491Zen6 will probably use 4nm for the IOD
>>102955312tf2
>>102956538Government will only bail out the fabs, they don't give a fuck about the rest of Intel.
>>102956481p5 plus**
>>102956538You cant read and call me a retard?
>>102956532They probably don't care much for their consumer products I guess.
Well, no Arrow Lake. I was on copium the last few days but now I know better. I just hope 9800x3d ends up as efficient as 7800x3d. The higher clocks sounds like it might end up less easy on the cooling, which would suck for my future SFF case. But with the 7800x3d prices I sure as hell will not pay almost the same price I would pay for the successor CPU.
>Lunar Lake designed right with CPU and memory controller same die>Arrow Lake has to inherit Meteor Lake tiles with CPU and memory controller separateWaiting evolved: Panther Lake and future
>>102956562No, you don't have to remove the sticker. For me on sn850x, the sticker was on the other side.
>>102955956windows is so fucking over for cpu bound scenarios
>>102955895mint is literally ubuntu btw
>>102956567Same boat, I was holding out hope ARL i5 would be a good generalist CPU, now it's either 7950X3D, or the 9800X3D for me if it's not too far behind the non-X3D part in productivity.
>>102956573They will be bankrupt before that.
>>102956596but it just doesnt werk
>>102956594Just wait for Linux Kernel Subsystem for Windows.
>>102956573>future future futureIt doesn't matter, maybe if Intel launches PL in 6 months from now and in the same platform it will be able to salvage some face.
Any review that deep dived into Arrow Lake ring, tile-to-tile, and fabric OC? That's what I am assuming is the crippling weakness.
>>102956594>>102955956Not gaming, ARL doesn't have any issues with productivity on Windows. Memory latency is killing the gaming performance.
Zoomer here (built my first PC with Haswell), what exactly was Bulldozer like? I've always known it was supposedly shit, but like, in what was specifically?
>>102956663It had worse IPC than Phenom II(AMD's previous gen) while running much hotter.
>>102956623Saying this before was just a meme but now it's very likely Intel could go bankrupt. You can't be this bad at your job before people just give up on your products. 2021 was their last stable CPU launch. Arrow Lake was supposed to be a fresh start but it's worse than their previous oxidizers? The pricing is awful and requires a new socket.
>>102956660no its notits the currynigger bloated to hell botnet windowsthe low IQ reviewers are way too stupid to turn that shit off / use w10 ltsc with all defender/exploit protection disabled
>>102956660>>102956710plus, windows dogshit slow scheduler that polls at 15msmeanwhile, sched_ext works at 1msno shit windows sucks for latency heavy tasks like gaymingvaj24
>>102956710Nobody sane is using troonix bucko, now go back to your general freak >>102953583
>>102956557The processor design team will be bailed out too if they can't find an American buyer.The companies that are capable of buying this team will trigger FTC to review the deal for potential monopoly.They're not going to let Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, or Google buy Intel's chip design team for example.There are very few other American companies that can afford to buy Intel's design team.
Man I didn't expect the intel reviews to be so bad
intelbros what the fuck
>>102955411I'll buy it when i can buy 100 chips for 50 buck
9700X looking good ngl, might jump from the 5800x (eco-mode)
>>102956761haha samewe're back in the early 2000s before core 2 duo
>>102956749nobody asked for your opinion, goy
>>102956710That's a long way to say Arrow Lake CPUs don't run well in normie/OEM Windows OS environments, which matters to Intel's large volume businesses.The prebuilt workstations won't even run with XMP enabled btw.
>>102955796Maybe at 100-150 dollars
>>102956660>encodingThat's iGPU and quicksync working you retard.
>>102956710>pic where is that from?
>>102956749there will be a time in your live where you'll eat so much shit you'll wish you had kept your whore mouth shut
>>102956848Now kys
>>102956657That slide doesn't matter, at all.There's a physical limitation to the tile design, you can only make up so much of it.A fine-tuned 7800X3D & 9800X3D system will blow it out of the water anyway.
>>102956853hardwareluxx.de>>102956853n
>>102956174It'd be dumb not to kill a beast while wounded and poisoned
>>102956853no its not you stupid niggerthey use x265 which is a CPU encoder
>>102956848>CPU review>using iGPUAre you actually retarded?
>>102956895meant for >>102956848
>>102956277Welcome to 4chan
>>102956877is it from a review or a guide that they did? looks very interesting
AMD has been making X3D variants like crazy didnt know there were new ones for fucking AM4 why can't intel unlock this tech tree.Also it seems like 9950X3D's gonna have it on both CCDs? IDK if that rumor is real though.
>>102956991>Also it seems like 9950X3D's gonna have it on both CCDs?supposedly
>>102957015that's crazy though, i doubt it'll pass off without issues
>retarded asus m2 heatsink below the socket >install the nvme>put the heatsink back on>immediately stop tightening the left side because i can see the fucking thing bendingwhat the fuck?
>AMD Ryzen 9900X>ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 360>MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5>Kingston FURY Beast 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30>Fractal Design North XL>Corsair RM1000eI have already RTX 3070 which I'm transferring over.Does this sound OK?
>>102954184Chinkshit MiniLED be like>OLED-tier blacks>$250nothin personnel
7700X3D will save us
>>102957079looks good
>>102957079>9900Xno use caseeither get the 7800X3D if you're gaming focused, or the 7950X if you do real work
>>102957105>IPSMini-LED only works well with VA panels, enjoy your IPS glow.
>>102957212>t. office handout LG TN piece of shit user
>>102957039so apparently I needed to install this stopper... and I did... but as soon as i tighten up the screw the nvme starts to bend
Asus, Gigabyte or MSI for a decent B650 mATX board? I heard that these days Asrock is doing really good but sadly there arent any (good ones) where I plan to get my hardware. My second choice would be Gigabyte but I keep hearing that most of their boards have coil whining and that BIOS support sucks.
>>102957247Excellent argument.
>>102957273stay away from gay-sus.
>>102957273Avoid ayysus unless buying high-end stuff and even then don't give moneys for these faggots
>>102957273Never had issues with Gigabyte or AsRock.
>>102957273>Asrock is doing really goodon AM5 only where everyone else fucks up
>>102957273Asrock B650m pro rs, b650m HDV/m.2, b650m pg riptide wifi white. Get the board from elsewhere. If you are ok with ATX, get the x870 pro rs. Its just so good, it doesn't make sense to buy anything else for the form factor.
Intel playing power efficiency games
>>102957254oh cool even the ones in the slots with the shared heatsink are bent
>>102957316>>102957322I actually used to like Asus, but after the whole RMA drama as well as them frying early AM5 CPUs I kept avoiding them, yeah. (Also the fact that they fucked up their handhelds SD-Card slots by the most stupid design flaw didnt help).
Intel WON
>>102957413is that who I think it is
HOLYKEK
>>102957440yes kek
Holy fuck, super flower should have been named super big dick, during power cut and switching to inverter, my pc did not skip a beat. Leadex vii plat pro ftw. Thanks bros, for introducing me to such a legendary brand.
Holy fuck this is sad.A week ago I considered that maybe Intel would be my next choice, thinking that maybe they learned a bit from their recent fuckups and that AMD wasn't doing amazingly either, but noooo. No, it's utter dogshit. AyyMD it is whenever I need an upgrade which is hopefully not too soon.
>INTEL: APO IS ON APO IS ON EVERYTHING EVERY BOARD DON'T TEST WITH IT OFF PLEEEASSE>GN: APO was off>INTEL: WHAT NO WAY UHHHH OKAY IT TURNS OUT IT IS OFF BY DEFAULT AND UHHH AND WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF BOARDS THAT SUPPORT IT Oh Intel
wake me when we have 1000hz refresh rate monitors. the mice are already at 8k.
>Intel's new CPU can't use high performance mode on windows only balanced>fucks with Nvidia graphics card resource hogging PCIE lanesThese reviews should have dropped on halloween horror stories all around
>>102957539TCL???
hardware getting released like video game betas
>>102957477It's cool you like your PSU but IDK what's special that the SF did
>7800X3D is still better value>Even with the retarded current pricingWew lad, the CPU market is fucked.
>>102957413AIIIEEE USERBENCHMARK KNOWS AMD IS PAYING SHILLS. INTEL IS THE REAL DEAL AIIIEEE!
>>102956967its from a forum userI don't have a direct link but if you were to ask with the image in some ryzen thread there I'm sure someone would link you to it
>>102957564Hwbusters was telling how good its hold up time was, isn't that related to this?
>>102957563You have no one to blame but your compadres who must have the shiniest newest hardware day one and excusing issues because they are too emotionally invested.
>>102955707why is it all single digit fps differences in a linear fashion
>>102957577thank you very much
>>102957506literally sub 90 IQ monkeys working therewhere have all the competent people gone to?to nvidia? or they took a plane to antarctica and joined the breakaway civilization?
>>102955869this image disturbs me viscerally
>>102957597It's mostly related to how big bulk caps are. And to the fact you bought 1kW+ PSU but spend most of the time browsing femboy pictures
>>102957637>femboy picturesNo, I use it for light programming work and watch animu.
>>102957633dude this is only the beginning EVERYTHING is going to be like that
>>102957633Intel have a let a bunch of people with decades of experience go they might not all be engineers but a lot of the senior staff that make sure general fuckups like this don't happen are gone.
>>102957539>there are now mice that get bottlenecked by top of the line CPUsgaymers should be euthanized
>>102957633hmm
>>102957567Just get 7600 or 7700 wonderful value all around.
How many gens will I have to wait for a x2 single thread uplift from Comet Lake?
are am5 sockets supposed to have a tiny tiny bit of wiggle room?
Bros, I waited so fucking long with my CPU purchase because I had hope that Intel doesnt fuck up this time. Now Arrow Lake is a massive fuckup and 7800x3d is expensive as fuck. How could Intel let me down so much. Why did they betray me. Its not fucking fair.
>>102955657Why do you even need 416 on fucking Factorio. Jesus, AyyMD pajeets are dumb as fuck
>bought 5800x3d when it first came out, won't need to replace it for years>local Walmart decided it wanted to start selling PC parts, then clearanced everything, so got 7600x for $75>Intel can't stop failingGod, I feel like a king.
>>102957834At this point you should wait for RDNA4 and RTX 5000 anyways.
>>102957864>why do you need high end performance on a high end cpuintelaviv copelet-kun...
Poorfag here, in retrospective my 7600 non-X purchase really was the best choice.
>>102957826yesas long as you can close the clamp without much force it should sit correctly
If 9800x3d is really 500$ they need to release 9700x3d. People won't buy 500$ gaming CPU.
>>102957864That's not fps anon, it's clicks per second. Factorio is very CPU demanding.
>>102957901>7600x for $75damn thats nutty
>>102954240>even my 3-year-old 12700k is as fast as the new oneLmao, and this is supposed to be on a smaller node as well.
at least zen 5% was an improvement lmao how did intelaviv fuck up this badly
/v/chad asking for some advise. Which CPU should I buy if all I play is Couter-Strike unironically?
https://youtu.be/rrym7146I_8?t=269actually mad wtf
>>102958061What's your budget and what are you currently running?
>>102957834Waitfags btfod as always
>>102958061Anything made in the last decade
>>102957947Oh yeah. It was genuinely insane.They had a 7800x3d going for $200, but someone got to it before I did.
>>102957826Yes and it was terrifying.
>>102958096
>>102957864Factorio does not abstract, approximate, pause/replay or unload/reload map chunks.Every map chunk, once it is initialized by player or pollution proximity, is fully simulated all the time.Resource nodes are finite forcing constant exploration and expansion.Later game = bigger map = bigger base = more calculations.Map used in benchmarks is babbys first rocket launch, a tiny fraction of what dedicated autists have to deal with.Nobody needs 416 updates because game is capped at 60, but when your base is so big you get 10 updates per second, upgrading a cpu to get it ti 20 is worth it.
>>102957929You are telling me mutts won't consoom? Oh!
>>102958072>The first thing most people will experience with their fresh shiny new Intel build will be bluescreens
https://x.com/CapFrameX/status/1849482451036389840INTEL WONTHANK YOU INTEL
>>102958129>720p>RT maxxed outhuh?
Is there a monitor tier list? What we should seek and what brands to avoid etc?
I can't believe I paid $359 for the 7800x3D and $250 for a board with two PCIe 5.0 x16 slots a year ago. And then Microcenter sells you a pack for 300 bucks months ago
>>102954209How is this a scam? On Partpicker the GPU+CPU alone are near 1k.
INTEL APO GOY DONT YOU WANT TO PLAY FFXIV
For high refresh rate, do I pick IPS or va or tn?
>>102958072run our backdoor or elseLol what a failure
>>102958149>buy depreciating products>depreciates>complainGood job anon.
>>102958096lmaofucking walmartcheaper then the cheapest used parts
I wonder why AyyMD's cpus drop in price so fast and Intel's don't. Maybe this means that no one who isn't Indian buys Intel.
>>102958160TN for esportIps for casualVa for retard Oled if you got money to burn
>>102958096whoever's managing that walmart needs firing
>AMD fans would be naive to think their zen5 (4nm FinFET) will have a chance against ArrowLake (2nm RibbonFET) Where is this slide-spamming shithead now?https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/100743052/#100748696
>>102958371But Arrow Lake isn't on RibbonFET, that was from before Intel decided to """"leapfrog"""" 20A, this will be the new cope now, "18A will save us"
>still on ryzen 3700x and radeon 5700xtI just want to upgrade, but I don't want to go with the poorfag upgrade and then feel like I need to upgrade again in a year anyways, but fuck me dropping near 2000 dollars on upgrades and not even getting a 4090 hurts. I remember when "2k PC" was like the best shit you could possible get and now "2k PC" feels like upper midrange at best.
>>1029583972k would get you a 9800X3D and a 5080... probably
>>102958371>Where is this slide-spamming shithead nowbusy with arrow lake bios
>>102958426>>102958426>>102958426>>102958426freshly toasted bread
>>102958371Probably setting up the rope to hang himself.
>>102958397>I just want to consoomWhy? Get 5700x3d for $150 on chinkpress and whatever gpu you don't mind spending money on
>>102958407well i also need a motherboard, one of ram sticks died so I'm running only 8gb so i want new ram aswell, probably need a higher grade PSU since I got a cheap 600w one, a bigger case most likely to fit the bigger card (+my tempered glass shattered during a move so I don't have any side panel atm), and a CPU cooler since I'm still running the stock cooler I got
>>102958461if the 5080 is 1k you can do it, if it's anymore then I don't think you can
>>102958278IPS it is.
