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for me, its the matrox parhelia 512
>https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-z890-motherboards-facing-crashes-and-reboots-when-upgrading-to-win11-24h2-bios-updated-requiredcool
>>102978292>Intel takes ARL out of the oven early for release
>>102978292At this rate AMD is going to go nvidia greedy
>>102978277>1080p: RTX 4070 SuperI don't get this meme
>>102978361Yup it only gets 30fps, it should be a rec for 720p at most
>>102978383So I guess the 4090 is a 1080p card and there's no existing 1440p one
>>102978361the entire OP is always a meme
>>102978383>RT
>>102978390correct
>>102978390the human eye cant see more than 30fps so its easily a 1440p card
>>102978277I need help building a new PC from scratch. I'm in the US, my budget is almost unlimited but I have a major handicap. I can't go any bigger than a mini ITX format. I need this PC to be able to fit in a suitcase and have the smallest possible footprint. Already have peripherals from my last build, and saved my old samsung SSDs to eventually move everything over but it's no big deal if they can't be used in the new PC.
>>102978435buy a steam deck
Just boughted new graphics card. Plugged in and got artifacts on the desktop. Replugged to a different monitor and same, but only for a few seconds.No artifacts since.Got 3 months guarantee. Should I just return or is it ok?It's used rx 6600 tx and it was only 160$
>>102978435unironically better off asking on reddit because the poorfags here will pull every excuse under the sun as to why you should just buy the parts they have on their wishlists
I know I'm many years late for this but why the fuck is PBO so shit on Zen+? I've never overclocked this chip (2700X) before but I'm going to upgrade to a 5700x3D in a few weeks so I thought I might as well, even if it somehow kills it. Well, the voltage goes sky-high only for it to sustain like 100Mhz more on all cores, with no single-core benefit whatsoever. Is the overclocking potential better on Zen3?
>>102978421Well there's a lot of games my old rx570 runs at 30fps on 1440p so it definitely is a 1440p card then
>>102978450you should disable pbo
>>102978462Yeah, that's what I did after I saw how useless it is. But I have a supposedly great motherboard and good cooling, I would have expected it to at least reach higher clocks on a single core on something. Oh well, it served me well and I don't want to do 100 hours of research just to get an extra 1% anyway.
>>102978450I had multiple zen CPUs and while a lot of people will tell you to use PBO, never, ever bother with it.But what's more, don't bother with OCing or manually undervolting unless there's some really compelling reason to do so. Hell. If you get anything recent, don't bother with the curve optimizer shit either. This is the only way to keep your sanity. Just grab a decent one and don't bother with gimmicks.
>>102978435> I need this PC to be able to fit in a suitcase and have the smallest possible footprint.Get a laptop, specifically one in the desktop-replacement class that's meant to be plugged in mostly.
>that one super autistic nvidia faggot is backso you're not a spambot, just extremely autistic? I wish I could slit your throat irl
>>102978504PBO is much less efficient than fudging manually with some settings. It was never worth it because you're only getting sometimes negligible performance in exchange for high temps and power usage. I think the only components where it's really worth fucking around are GPUs at this point. nvidia 40 series GPUs greatly benefit from undervolting for instance.
>>102978451correct
>>102978516based stock settings enjoyer
wat do?
>>102978708It's a 7900 btw, 65w tdp
>>102978708i went with pbo+tjmax=65 on my 7800x3d but im a fellow stock settings enjoyer like >>102978516
>>102978761That sounds like a nice conservative setting to start with :)
>>102978277Meme OP lmao.>5600g web browsing>4070S 1080p>>102978708Try a few presets and check stability. Then give up and use it stock. PBO isn't worth the headache outside of some niche cases.
I recently got a 4070 Ti Super and its paired with a 5800X. I'm trying to achieve 1440p/120fps. Do you think I'm going to bottleneck my GPU? I just wanted to know if I am and I need to upgrade my CPU, I'll need to upgrade my motherboard as well since its AM4.
>>102978810Not worth upgrading cpu/ram/mobo for that setup at 1440p imo. Check out some benchmarks and see for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VMsZVmH0XkINvidia drivers again
>>102978810if anything you should just buy a 5700x3d
>>102978361nvidia shills.
>>102978952Oldfags on here 10 years ago are the same people that are millionaires from working at Nvidia.
Well,Week ago I came here panicking about my 4070S being broken because I'm undoubtedly a stupid fuck. I was getting BSODs after repasting if anyone here recalls.Please insult me. You see these screws? My GPU had 6 instead of 4, so I thought they were all the same due to their length, but they weren't. 2 of them were not supposed to be where I put them, so there was some weird mounting pressure issue going on. What's more after some different crash, I thought I hadn't fixed it, but it turns out it was a problem with the game I was testing, not the fucking GPU. Everything else has been working fine and I'm a retard and I'm sorry for everything.
>>102978973I don't see anything you dumb fuck.
>>102978973Yeah, that is because I am indeed a dumb fuck
>>102978344>nvidia takes out blackwell 2.0 late for reelase
Best X570 mobo for a 5950X? Looking for something that has the best connectivity and features you can get.
Is this gpu/driver issue or just dogshit software? I have this gigablurring in LM studio and one other game but nothing else has this problem. I have a 1070.
>>102979079ASRock X570 Taichi
Have I fucked up by running my Ryzen 3000 CPUs at stock settings and not undervolting them all these years?
Is this a good deal bros? found a listing for $490, only things are it's an oem dell 3070 (single pin), and stock wraith for coolinghttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/tgnjjH
>>102979162no. theyre designed to run at stock settings and beyond for their useful life
>>102979162You could have saved minutes of your life, perhaps even hours, spent waiting on CPU cycles
>>102979173sniped :) ty bro
>>102978435This should do ya just finehttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/KfFHfyPicrel are the dimensions
Is there some kind of program that will give me black borders in video games if I decide I want to play a game in window mode?
>>102978521I looked at a few but it really just wasn't what I wanted. I have a big monitor and limited desk space, didn't want to have a messy configuration trying to get everything set up. >>102979245Much appreciated. That will work.
>>102979289just change the video scaling setting in your video card control panel to "none" or "1:1" etc
Ok /pcbg/ I have a question about something that happened almost a year ago that forced me to do a quick and sloppy PC upgrade.For a few years I was using a ryzen 3600 with some specific settings on a gigabyte mobo (B550 AORUS PRO). Instead of PBO or whatever, I played with the core clock multiplier and increased the dynamic vcore (DVID) offset to the point where I could get stable 4.3ghz on all cores. Had low temps, voltage/current seemed pretty alright, nothing seemed that weird, but of course that might have been just a horrible way to do an undervolt/OC and I noticed that plenty of prominent people online didn't bother doing this.One day I'm just sitting there enjoying my pornographic content when suddenly I get no freezes, nothing. Just a black screen and the fans spinning really fast. I turn that shit off quick, turn it on, same deal. There's no fixing it, no POSTing and I recall it getting stuck on the CPU LED or not at all. It was broken as fuck and nothing that would usually work, worked.Thinking it was the CPU, I thought of trying it on my old man's PC with a shittier B450 mobo and I couldn't get it to POST somehow either. This led me to believe the CPU was dead (still don't know honestly, but I can't even bother trying). So I panicked and bought a 5900X on sale because hey, at least it's a decent upgrade.But then that 5900X didn't work on that motherboard and the behavior was the exact same, so I needed to buy another motherboard. Which worked. A little more and I could have gone full AM5 but the CPU threw me off.But I always wondered. Can a dynamic vcore offset kill a CPU/mobo like that? How unreliable are motherboards at reporting real voltage? PSU didn't seem to do anything wrong either (not that it matters now, it has been replaced recently as well).
Is there a huge difference between 6600 xt and 2060 super ? They are at the same price and I will use it on linux
>>102979378I've owned a 3600 since 2019 and I never bothered messing with bios settings, I control it purely through Ryzen master, these are my all day settings, runs like a dream. I can push it to 4.2 all core on 1.3 but going higher is not all that stable. I don't bother with PBO or any of that kind of stuff. I don't see why you would. Of course overvolting the core is going to cause degradation, especially on a bad motherboard. I noticed my PC runs way way hotter on default settings than even on my 4.2 1.3 volt overclock, and my old B350 board may push the voltage as high as 1.45 if I let it do whatever it wants. Basically, I think these motherboard manufacturers are all gigantic retards and I don't really trust any of them, and you shouldn't either, and you especially shouldn't be encouraging your dumbass board to push even higher volts to the core. No wonder your system got bricked.
>>102979378I think you just got a lemon motherboardI've had many motherboards work well into 4-5 years as good as it was on day 1
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/785597/intel-arc-iris-xe-graphics-windows.htmlUPDATE YOUR DRIVER TECHNOLO/g/Y
>>102979381For Linux always go AMD, you will get way fewer headaches. The 6600XT should outperform the 2060 super in most games. Sauce: TechPowerUP relative GPU performance chart, only measures rasterization performance but first gen RTX was no better than AMD's current implementation anyway, so unless you really want DLSS, go with team red on this one.
>>102978277>(((Linus))) shitting on Intel Aviv???Or is that his usual clickbait shit but he actually praises the chip
>>102979460there is nothing to praise anon
What would be better? Playing the game at 4k with no ray tracing, but at medium settings or play the game at 1080p with ray tracing at the highest settings, but upscaled to 4k?
>>102979460Let the copium flow through you anon.
>>102979440Bold of you to assume we buy intel
Is there a program I can use to monitor how much VRAM each individual process is using? Getting around 1.5 GB in use just idling on desktop.
>>102979465>>102979488Are you somehow thinking I'm both an Intel and a Linus Troon Tips fanboy?I don't get why you'd reply with these otherwise
>>102979479Entirely depends on your brand of autism. Do you just like fancy lighting or do you hate jagged edges, upscaling artifacts and TAA blur. IMO 4k looks way better, more immersive.
Anons, im currently studying whats the best 3060 I can get and watching a PNY xlr8 single fan model. Then they showed this image. what is wall draw?
>>102979493thats not me, I am just straight up saying its so bad there is nothing to praise/shill/clickbait or whatever
Asking here too, my father needs a laptop to browse internet and torrent porn, so only requirements are WiFi 6/6e and a good screen. Anything under £500?
>>1029794794090 here, so 4k all maxed out with dlss onAs long as it reaches 60fps I'm fine with it, and if it doesn't it's a shit game that doesn't need to be played
>>102979479
>>102979506How much power it draws from the wall. As in, total system power draw from your grid. Right draws way less power for very similar performance. Also why are you studying the fucking 3060 in 2024. We have newer cards. If you're looking to buy used, there are other options that will probably cost you less.
>>102979502>>102979506Damn, replied to the wrong post because of a misclick. Above applies to >>102979502
>>102979492built in system monitor shows gpu usage
>>102979520>>102979516>>102979501Well fuck, because I can't reach 60 fps on my 6950xt even at lowest settings in the Silent Hill 2 remake game and I have to use frame gen and FSR to get to it.
>>102979502this general is riddled with poorfags who do care about power draw because a $5 increase in the monthly power bill would be a financial catastrophe from which they would never recover
Both amd and intel released cpus that focused on other things besides gaming performance.Intel increased perf per watt, did chiplets in preparation for their long term future, added useless AI shit in there which doesnt help gaming perf any.Sure a gamer with x3d chip isnt gonna buy them, (nor a zen 5 cpu) but they're not a flop besides gaming.
>>102979425>Of course overvolting the core is going to cause degradation, especially on a bad motherboard. I noticed my PC runs way way hotter on default settings than even on my 4.2 1.3 volt overclock,But that's the thing. With manual settings, without an overvolt it was running at 1.1v. So make that 1.2 on full load. It was reporting 1.375v with motherboard defaults. So because I was getting almost 15C less on full load and even the wattage being reported was fine, having no crashes in ages, I thought "hell yeah, this works fine".
>>102979614turns out it didnt work fine
>>102979571the game is cpu/memorybandwidth bound. even a 4090 cant get 120fps at 1080p without rt.
>>102979627Yep, but I don't know 100% for sure if that was the exact reason why it died. I thought of degradation like a gradual thing where you'd start to get random crashes, not just full on sudden death.Maybe if I can someday bother to try the 3600 on my new motherboard I'll check if it's truly dead. I'm kind of pissed I couldn't just have done a full upgrade at the time, now it seems kind of stupid to do it with a 5900x.
>>102979571All Unreal Engine 5 games run like shit even Fortnite stutters on my 4080 super.
>>102979614Interesting. I'm thinking the motherboard simply fucked you over, anon.If you ever want to know for sure, take it to a specialist and have them check what circuits died.
>>102979640>>102979653So the game is just not optimized? What the hell are these devs thinking?
>>102979664can you stop commenting on graphs that use max settings, thanks
>>102979653Why are you playing Fartnut, zoomer.>>102979640This game fucking blows just in general, according to some reviews I read they basically censored it. Konami is a shell of its former self.
>>102979659Honestly I could probably just bother to try the 3600 again on my machine, it's just a bit of laziness. If it works fine the motherboard might just have been a shit.A shame because that motherboard was one of the pricier things I got for my build based on this good VRM meme and whatever. Now I use a cheaper MSI motherboard that so far hasn't given me any issues (MPG B550 plus) other than it being annoying to have to change a setting to avoid installing MSI software on Windows for every BIOS update.
>>102979664You're playing RE4R badly ripped off in Unreal Engine instead of RE Engine. 6950XT gets 200+ fps in RE and looks better too.
>>102979670even with all the lighting/volumetric fog/better graphics etc, they somehow managed to make the remake even less atmospheric than the ogit has none of the sense of dread or foreboding that the original hadits like those weird 'graphics enhancement' mods youll see where theyll add 8k textures to some early 2000s game and it looks worse than the mud-tier textures it shipped with because its so jarring
>>102979669RE4R gets 4k 120+ fps max on a 4090 and looks better. This can't even get 120fps at 1/4th the resolution scale.
>>102979573That doesnt answer question anon. What is wall draw?
>>102979759total draw at the wall power sockettypically measured by a device known as a kill-a-watt
>50% gaming>50% blender/photoshop/premierewhat new gen cpu do I even go for?
>>1029797889950x3d
>>102979777Ah, so its wattage. Why cant these videos just use the same terminology. Thanks anon
How much should I be spending on an am4 mobo for a 5700x3dI don’t need any special features, just something that won’t break
>>102979555Resource monitor doesn't show GPU memory usage
>>102979839>won't breakhttps://gist.github.com/shibajee/46968edef81f2da8f9d8ec4efa34de88To be sure you want a tier C or above, just google them and find the cheapest for you.
>>102979492if youre just sitting on the desktop then only the window manager will be utilising the gpu
>>102979839That depends. Do you need PCI-E 4? If yes, 150 for the B550 Tomahawk, which has been the go-to recommendation since the B550 boards came out, will be more than enough. If not, you can get a cheaper B450.
>stuttering in VR gamingalmost every game does it. I have a 4090 and a 7950X3D and the performance graph shows they arent being pushed over 50%. any idea what would cause it?
>>102979929Disable your non-x3d ccd.
>>102979959I have to do that permanently from within the bios?
>>102979986Ryzen master probably works too but that still requires a restart.
>>102979986Nta but I think Ryzen Master can disable cores.
Hello anons. Ive been using a 5600g for a while and now bought a new CPU and GPU.Question is , do I just swap in the cpu? no bios, no windows, no setting to change?
is the only reason user benchmark is at the top of every google search because its owned by pajeets?
>>102979898Clearly DWM is bloated and I need to reinstall Windows again
>>102980007A simple swap should work just fine, yes. If it's a recently released x3d cpu you might want to check for a new BIOS, though.>>102980030All the top google results are sponsored, anon. They pay for it. With Intel's money.
Should I get 7800x3D and 7800xt or 7700 paired with 4070s ? Is a be quiet pure rock enough to cool those CPUs?
>>102980048Im swapping from a 5600g to a 5700 with a B550 MoBo. So its safe. Thanks anon
>>102980075Very much depends on if you want DLSS and Nvidia's other features, the 7800X3D also has more room to upgrade in the future, but the 4070S is definitely faster, more in line with the 7900GRE. If you play more CPU bound games, you might benefit more from the first configuration, but in the short term the second configuration will definitely perform better in gaming.Yes, the pure rock should be enough, but there are better options at that price point.>>102980097Have fun.
they put it underneathhttps://www.techpowerup.com/328160/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-has-the-ccd-on-top-of-the-3d-v-cache-die-not-under-it
>>102980164I kneel...
>>102980102Thanks anon
>>102980164you have to wonder why they didnt do it that way to begin with. surely they had prototyped this configuration among many others
Its come to the point that truth doesn't matter for CPU anymore, just lie lie lie and try to get as much market share with your lies like intel.
>>102980167next, put one on both sides
>>102980196No, next thicken the substrate so you we actually cool the CCD instead of trapping all the heat in the quarter inch thick IHS.
I've got a Mini pc and I'm looking to upgrade to a tower or Ps5. But what's holding me back is the price and the energy consumption of a pc.Apparently I could only transfer the 500gb ssd to a tower pc since the 32gb of ddr4 are SODIMM and the processor is a ryzen 7 5700U. That sucks considering I may have to spend 1000€ on the pc to match the performance and quality of a ps5.On top of that energy prices are pretty absurd where I live (Germany), which kinda nullifies the financial aspect of not having to pay for online services unlike PS5. So is it actually worth it if you just want to play modern AAA games in good quality without breaking a bank? With all the noise about needing AM5 and having future proor components it seems hardly worth it if you don't make a lot of money.
INTEL WONTHANK YOU INTEL
>>102980164how tf did they do it? these chips are typically flip chip with the transistors closer to the IHS and the higher metal layers closer to the subtrate so I wonder how its even possible to have the cache underneath
>>102980222Same question as you anon. Energy prices are absurdly high here too (France). I picked a 4070s and a Ryzen 7500f only because of that. I'll still get a pc because mine is dead.
>>102980164Tbh this explains a lot about Zen 5, must have been a drastic redesign to accommodate this.
>>102980164>>102980191>>102980244they're gonna put the l3 cache underneath the gpus too :)next gen infinity cache
I'm giving my old cpu (r5 2600) to my dad. What's the cheapest mb that's not utter shit? Some asrock b450?
>>102980270no idea but make sure it can run that cpu cuz some newer boards don't support older zen parts
>>102980270msi was the better value for b450 boards
So what's the next hardware release to come?Just so I can anticipate my disappointment again.
>>102980299PS5 Pro is next month
>>102980268And it will probably not work properly like RDNA 3. AMD has not earned any benefit of the doubt when it comes to GPUs designs.
>>102980307RDNA3 had the cache spread in mcds outside around the die. RDNA2 and RDNA4 have the cache inside the core itself.
>>102980270asrock B450M Pro4-F was pretty good back in the dayi have one on my dad's pc equipped with a 2700 and its been going strong for 5 years now
What a disastrous launch
Needing a case available in Britbong under £150 with a lot of HDD bays and at least one ODD bay (though 2 would be preferable) with some sound dampening. Currently thinking between the Fractal R5 (£114) or the Antec P101S (£109). Are either good choices?
>>102980335its not intel's fault
>AMD managed to bounce back from having to sell everything including their physical HQ and work out of a garage in Santa Clara>Intel has had a mediocre couple of years and already the vultures are circling if you would believe the mediaIs this all clickbait? A shortie psyop? Intel is too big too just to just fold over a couple of stumbles, isn't it?
>>102980343it never is
>>102980320Again, they have not earned the benefit of the doubt.
>>102980342used Phanteks Enthoo Pro?
>>102980349its all a concerted effort to devalue intel if you nootice
>>102980285Yup, was my thought process too, that's why I'm looking at 450 boards.>>102980294>>102980323Thanks, I'll check out locally, maybe I'll find something on the used market. I remember gigabyte being shit.
>>102980164>AMD Engineers: We should take the CCD Hotspots in the X3D models and push them somewhere elseI can't believe how stupidly simple such a change is and that it makes so much sense that they didn't do it to begin with.
Is there any downside to using a wifi 7 pcie card in an older system besides not getting wifi 7 speeds? They're getting close to 6 and 6e cards in price now.
>>102980397What platform? You can't use Intel cards on AMD systems btw.
>>102980395its a flip chip package >>102980244 so they'd have to completely redo how they've been making chips for decades to get the cache underneath the ccd
>>102980335Listen to the laundry list of grievances KitGuru had with their review process:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoCCFXD0xc&t=352s
>>102980222I just looked into this and did the math. The PS5 non-pro consumes 50 watts at idle and just over 200 watts in an intensive game. An RTX 4070 will cleanly outperform the PS5 Pro and also consumes around 200 watts. Overall a PC with a 4070 will consume around 80 watts at idle and maybe 300-350 in-game. This is an increase of about 50%. Considering that in Germany you pay about 40 cent per killowatt hour according to Google, you will have to play at least 5 hours per day every single day, all year, for the difference in power draw to make a bigger difference on your power bill than a BASIC 70 euro ps+ subscription. This is also assuming that the PS5 Pro doesn't have increased power consumption, which it will. This is also assuming that you do nothing else on the PC, and that the PC will make no appreciable difference to your life outside of gaming.I'd say the up front cost of the PC is worth it based on Steam sales, humble bundle and piracy alone. Not to mention all the map games you can play on it. I can put together a decent build for you right now if you'd like.
Is $1200 a good used price for a pic related RTX 4080 Super?
>>102978277if bintel is so shit why do chinks and jews keep trying to charge me 300 dollars for some fucking 35 watt 10th gen i9 slop?
>>102980435because 10th gen was one of the greatest intel generations11th gen can be had for scrap in comparison
>>102980349If things get really bad for Intel, they need to be acquired by an American business because the US government isn't going to allow foreign companies or sovereign states to buy them.If Intel cannot find an American buyer, it's almost certain the US federal government will bail them out.But the government will appoint their own board director(s), executives, and auditors to monitor their progress & taxpayer spending.These bailouts happened to the banks & the American automobile industry, the US gov made a profit on the bank bailout funds (interest), and they only lost about $10 billion from the GM & Ford bailout. That monetary loss is better than the economic fallout from losing Ford & GM's factories & labor output (local economy buff etc).Intel executives do not want either of those options to happen because their comfy jobs are on the line.Very few American businesses will find Intel to be an attractive acquisition because it's one of the most capital-intensive businesses in human history.TSMC is doing well partly because it's operating like a state-owned enterprise, with plenty of Taiwanese government support.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mesa-24.3-Initial-Intel-Xe3-PTLINTEL TAKING PERFORMANCE CROWN AGAIN NEXT YEAR WHILE AYYMDEAD STUCK ON POODNA3.5
>>102980431That's a price for a new one
>>102980299https://www.techpowerup.com/review/future-hardware-releases/
>>102980459Used prices are often slightly above USA MSRP in Europe.
>>102980449>already submitting patches for Celestial>discrete Battlemage is not even out
>>102980410Who the fuck told you this
>>102980410I'm still on a b450 system but I'm probably going to upgrade to am5 soon. I was looking at the msi qualcomm card.
>>102980431>>102980466You'll never see me owning a NOPEtac video card.
>>102980473Do they even NEED to release Battlemage if Celestial is coming along well? Could they scrap it like they did Desktop Meteor Lake and go straight to the NEXT next--gen?
>>102980342i can vouch for the r5 as im still using it after 8ish years.the only negative of the case is the power button has become slightly misaligned with the cutout earlier this year so you have to push it down harder than necessary to toggle itpretty sure it was because my nephew kept jabbing it with random objects over the years though
>>102980484Newer Intel cards (Wifi6 and up) won't work on AMD platforms. >>102980487Yeah, this QC is good, it works on AM4, and also has Linux support:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CVJPCQFJ
>>102980466God damn that sucks bro
>>102980506The lowest I've seen a 4080 Super sell for used was that model at $1100, the lowest I've seen a 4090 sell for used is $1800.
>>102980484lol retard, nice public IP
>>102980504Some of the AM5 boards used intel wifi cards though
>>102980509I will never complain about GPU prices in the states again desu
>>102980517Old ass ones, show me an AX(wifi 6) AM5 board with an Intel chipset, all use mediatek or qualcomm
>>102980484
>>102980534https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-ELITE-AX-V2/sp#spRev 1.1 uses the ax210
>>102980504Some do, some don't, apparently. Intel up to its old scummy tactics.
>>102980558I stand corrected, had read about Intel introducing another Jewish shit that the WiFi had protocol to check if your CPU had some shit that only worked on Intel. Maybe they backtracked on it.
>>102980411So you're saying it'll cost over $500
>>102980102Would just jumping into the 9800X3D with a 4070S be overkill?I just thought of splurging a little.
>>102980589I hate this but yes, of course it'll cost over $500. They'd be stupid otherwise.
>>102980593Is that CPU overkill for that GPU? Absolutely. But hey, headroom for future upgrades and future CPU intensive games is always nice.>>102980584picrel>>102980603zero competition
>>102980584None of the x870 boards use the intel chip. I've heard there are issues with those on AMD systems but earlier ones work fine.The AM5 mobo spreadsheet is detected as spam for some reason.
what psu brand has quiet fans/low coil whineim thinking bequiet or seasonic rn
>>102979378>But I always wondered. Can a dynamic vcore offset kill a CPU/mobo like that?If you set a positive dynamic voltage offset with no upper voltage limit, yes you can kill the CPU.I would've used that B550 board's BIOS flashback feature to get a newer BIOS installed, and booted the 5900X again.>How unreliable are motherboards at reporting real voltage?The voltage report is off by tens of millivolts, but the board usually overstates the Vcore reading, not underreport them.Only higher-end boards have a dedicated chip to draw the Vcore reading from the traces between the board's voltage regulator and the CPU socket.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMO_IXqtf3M
>>102980593replace the 4070super with the 7900gre
>>102980252that does surprise me considering france seems to have much better energy policies in Germany. I could probably spend the money on a 4070s but it'd definitely hurt, I was hoping I could get away with a rx 6800 to stay in the mid range and not break the 1000€ mark in total.>>102980424thank u for the research, I was not aware of the difference in detail. I suppose the ps5 consumes a lot of power too, considering that I play on a 55" 4k tv it's probably no difference at all. I do enjoy playing on the tv though bc my monitor is some shitty samsung 1080p 70hz for 90€. Doesn't rtx 4070 seem kinda overkill? The guides that I see all recommend rx 6800 at this 1000€ max. price range. I don't think I'd be comfortable spending more than that honestly unless it makes a big difference.
>>102980703>I would've used that B550 board's BIOS flashback feature to get a newer BIOS installed, and booted the 5900X again.Yeah, that didn't work either anyways. Believe you me, I tried everything there was to try.
>>102980102these relative performance charts make no sense. 6950xt is faster than the 3090 in all non rt games. these numbers are counting non rt figures.
>>102980702isnt seasonic the coil whine brand?
>>102978442>used GPU>$160Return it to who? Who would actually care? Can you really return a used GPU and get your money back? Have you successfully done this before? Seems like for $160 they would just tell you to fuck off you rolled the dice and lost.
>>102980808maybe it was refurbed? some shops give a few months of warranty here on refurbed stuff.
>>102980718The 6800 does have a slightly higher TDP of 250 watts, but I was already highballing the total PC power draw at 350, that CPU you've chosen only consumes a scant 80 watts or so, and the rest of the PC hardly consumes much of anything, so yeah the numbers I gave you are still accurate.>>102980726You'd think so but you'd be wrong. I've researched this before. All of the relative performance numbers come from TechPowerUp's extensive testing and review suite. Obviously they can't test every game, but in the popular games they do test, Nvidia funded titles seem to be slightly over-represented, which is why you might see a slight tilt favouring Nvidia in their numbers. Overall it's still about as objective as you'll get from the modern tech press. Believe me, I've seen the raytracing numbers they've gotten, if those were included, along with the machine learning tests Techpowerup also conducts on these cards, every single AMD card would be way, way lower in terms of relative performance than they currently are.In short, blame GameWorks, as always.You can also easily tell they don't include raytracing numbers because of how high up the 7900GRE is placed. That has RDNA2 raytracing, not RDNA3, and yet it's still placed ahead of the 4070 Super.
>>102980833I like Tom Hardwares GPU hierarchy better. It clearly shows the 6950XT is better than the 3080ti and 3090 but worse than the 3090ti as expected.
>>102980833I dont trust Techpowerup because the guy who takes GPU pictures on the website is a FFXIV pedo on Exodus server.
>>102978435I did this before and its not worth it trust me. >be me>traveling tech>fly around the world for work>stay for a month at a time>get sick of not being able to gayme and compile at a decent speed>I bought a Node 202>I bought a ITX board and cooler>shoved all the guts in there>I bought a 24 inch monitor>I bought a pelican case the largest thats allowed to be carried on a plane >I lined it all with foam>it all fit perfect >go to the airport>get stopped every single fucking time by mongos at TSADUUUURRRRR WHATS THIS? OMG IS THAT A COMPOOOOTER? THATS SO COOL. ITS LIKE STUFFED IN THERE? THATS CRAZY. HEY MARK CHECK THIS OUT. ITS A FUCKING WHOLE ASS COMPUTER IN HERE. HOLY SHIT. WELL I NEED TO TAKE THIS OUT AND UHHH TEST IT FOR BOMB RESIDUE. TOTALLY RANDOM LOL. YEH GO GET TYRONE HE NEEDS TO SEE THIS TOO ITS CRA BRAH. BRAH GOT A WHOLE ASS MONITOR IN HERE TOO? DAYYYAM THATS TIGHT. I'm not exaggerating. Every single fucking airport I was watching some nigger put his nigger hands all over my carefully packed computer and making nigger comments about it. It was so fucking infuriating. I ended up putting it all back in a normal case and buying a laptop. I just couldn't take it anymore.
>>102980903Kids don't play that game, it's a boomer mmo.The fact that it's an mmo already sets an age cutoff.
>>102980916the game is available on consoles. bunch of kids will download it just because its free on psn. its crossplay with pc so groomers groom like techpowerupfag.
>>102980916They're not as popular as they once were in comparison to fortnite shit or the coomer gacha of the month but some of these MMOs are still populated by younger people
>>102980916officially the game is rated t for teen so its marketed to kids & teenagers. but esrb doesnt rate online interactions so thats why you see people erping on the street.
>>102981012>>102981036Genuinely delusional if you think xiv is popular with teens let alone kids. Not only are MMOs less popular with kids, final fantasy is struggling extremely hard with getting people interested in them. Basically the only people still paying attention to them has been since xii or older. It's quite literally one of their biggest struggles
Is something wrong if I'm not getting a perfect 16.6 ms frametime 60fps when playing old as shit games like Doom, Duke Nukem, Max Payne? I don't understand why Max Payne would ever move up to 17.5ms or below 16.6.
so are we in the era where Benchmarkers just lie about intel and no one cares and no one gets arrested?
>>102981116using the global 60fps rivatuner framerate limiter makes my frametiming perfect with zero fluctuations in all of these games by the way.
>>102981147They just flushed them all out into the open, trust the plan.
I'm looking to upgrade my PC with a 4070 super.My current build has a R5 2600x in it, what would be the most logical upgrade? Stay on AM4 and go with 5700X3D or switch over to AM5?
>>1029811815700x3d and see if you can hold out till new sockets. If you go am5 with 7600 now you'll barely see an improvement over 5700x3d for a good chunk more money and the 7800x3d will be like 400$ moreIf you can't hold out till new sockets you'll still not lose any money (disregarding price fluctuations which could go either way but are more likely to go down) because the mobo+ram you buy, you'd have bought now anyway
>>1029811815800x3d for gaymen 5950x for work. Don't go am5 yet.
>>102981096ffxiv was played by asmongold who has a humongous child audience. so many kid downloaded the game on ps/pc just to follow him around.
Buildzoid is treasure. I thought he'd be ugly, but my man looks like sexy Jesus.
are ryzen 9000 any good? the 7000 still seem the most recommended ones
Brehs, what are these rubber washers for and what are these thumb screws for?
>>1029812439000 is pretty good, it's just they are priced a bit high. They Overclock better and consume less power. Incremental improvements instead of crazy performance increases. Also, they consume less power.
>>102981257Its qube 500 btw
>>102981257HDD anti-vibration washers.Motherboard standoffs for different layouts.
>>102981147Practically all of them posted how it runs on stock settings.Overclocking performance isn't representative of the system all viewers will be able to run.
Last rating before i buy my new pchttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/xKpNL9
>>102981217Asmongold's audience is mostly mid 20's to 30's you fucking idiot. If you're going to shit on that goblin at least shit on him for the things that are real.
>asking mommy to buy my a 9950x3d after the Ultra 9 285k didnt pan out
>>102981217He actually has an older audience than most, but regardless, yes there's a good amount of kids, but those all vanished after he quitIf you're going to say a game is for pedos because a streamer played it, I hope you exclusively play single player games If you want to groom kids, play popular "social" games like lethal company, amogus and whatever is the newest sloppa copying those two
>>102980914thats just you buddy. I've traveled domestically and internationally with my desktop with no issuesMy laptop has literally gotten searched a fuck ton more
>>102981482Overspending on the PSU, this 750W unit from MSI is $45 less and more than sufficient for your specs:https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dbCZxr/msi-mag-a750gl-pcie5-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a750gl-pcie5For just $10 more, the Phantom Spirit is a dramatically better air cooler over the Assassin King SE (7 vs 5 heatpipes and weighing 810g vs 640g for greater mounting pressure):https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zkWJ7P/thermalright-phantom-spirit-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120Check your required ports/slots but it looks like the ASRock B760M Steel Legend WiFi would save you $30 and come with an extra NVME slot as well:https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/QJC48d,TxcgXL,dFZXsY/Everything else looks good.
>>102981216nta but 5800x3d went way up in price since it's eol. 5700x3d is like 95% of the performance, so that anon should price check locally.
>>102981366>HDD anti-vibration washers.That's quite thoughtfulIDK if its motherboard standoff. It comes in steel color. If Its a standoff, it should let screwing in from the top, which this does not.
>>102978277why the fuck is x8/x8 so fucking rare and expensive now? 200+ for the ProArt b650, which has such a shit rear IO i dont even want to look at it.400+ for the ProArt x670400+ for the MPG Carbon x670550 for the supermicro b650, the only x8/x8 microATX to even exist rn
>>102981835>why the fuck is x8/x8 so fucking rare and expensive now?more importantly, why do you need it?
>>102981835Doesn't asrock x870 have 2 x16s?
>>102981563>>102981623you guys are delusional if you think eceleb audience isnt all children.
>>102981863long story short, separate gpus for the main host and for guest VMs>>102981887the taichi is also 400+
>>102981926Pro RS wifi is 200 bux. I bought that desu.
>>102981926>separate gpus for the main host and for guest VMsI'm planning to run a win vm from a separate disk and do a usb pass-through of some jlink shit. I'm very excited that my hardware is finally cable of running vms.
>>102981835Gigabyte X870 EAGLE
>>102981910you're retarded if you don't realize the existence of manchildren
>>102981939the 2nd slot is wired as x4 sadly
>>102982027Those niggers.
>>102981960x16, x1 and x1
Anyone run ddr5 8000?
>>102982050Hahahahaha...
>>102981977the manchildren are a minority. its literally all fucking children. fucking pewdiepie kids.
>>102982027I don't think you have options. Just get a riser. https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am5.html#specs
>>102982056ye
>>102982095https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/aw6zgv/the_results_are_in_asmongold_survey_2k19/This was 5 years ago, they'll only have gotten older>b-but they're all lyingokay copetardsad truth is the vast majority of people watching asmongold (& some other older streamers like chance) are adults
Say I upgrade from Zen 3 non X3D to Zen 5 X3D, should I be looking for a different cooler? I've been using the same Noctua NH-D15S for years now.
>>102982152Am5 7000 series? What board?
>>102982178no, might need to ask noctua for a new mounting plate iirc. it will be free
>>102982178If it works, I wouldn'T change anything. But if you can sell the cooler for $60, buy a Peerless Assassin and you pocket the $~20.
>>102982178No. Zen 5 is lower wattage, so you are good.
>>102982211neg, arrow lake8000 should still be poss on Ryzen 7/9000 you want an atx or matx/itx board?
>>102982215I'm incompetent at selling shit outside my regular job, but I do make good money so 40 bucks are chump change>>102982212>>102982226Hmm, might look for that plate then.
>>102980808>>102980820The portal which I bought it on offers 1 day return before the payment is forwarded to the seller.And it's from some shop that sells I assume refurbed stuff, and they also give 3 months warranty.
why should i upgrade from 5600g and what's the best price/performance monitor on the market preferably 16:10 or 3:2 with BFI at least 120hz, doesnt need to be bigger than 24in and 1080p is fine i'm eyeing XG2431 but i dont want to spend $400 on a monitor when there might be oleds coming soon and i want an oled
>>102982256and i will calibrate it so stock performance is not that important
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHOH NO NO NO NO NO NO NVIDIA WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR DLSS AND FRAMEGEN ADVANTAGEhttps://youtu.be/Cq3hCt4jJQ4?t=663
>>102982274i couldn't watch that video it's so inaccurate>ryzen 7 9600X>choosing B550M for AM4 but getting X870 for AM5>getting shit ram for AM5 etc.
>decide to update BIOs from mobo>start looking for the latest version in the manufacture site>download into a flash drive and set it up to flush it in>a lighting strikes a building a block away, visible from my room windowIs this God trying to stop me from bricking my mobo or am I that lucky for a power outage to happen as soon as I press start?
>>102982299>xe doesnt have clip programmergo watch some ltt skid
>>102982256>16:10 or 3:2 at least 120hzThose don't exist at all outside of portable 15.6" monitors that are just repurposed laptop screens. The only one I can think of is the Dell P2425E (or regular P2425) which is only 100hzt. RD240Q user since it was literally the only 2560x1600 monitor to come out (alongside another one from BenQ shortly after) in a decade or sobefore that, your only options for a 16:10 monitor were 1200p and only 60 or 75hz like the XU2595WSU or some Asus Proart SKUthere's also the Huawei Mateview and the RD280U that are 3840x2560 3:2 but they're only 60hz
>>102982292framegen and dlss cant save you from 1fps and 108ms frametime
So will I have to be at a microcenter in the AM to have a chance at getting the new X3D CPU (4 hours away and at a major city) or will there be someway to get it online?
>>102982302ok that's my preference i can stomach 16:9 i could just run it with black bars i dont mind
>>102982312maybe there will be pre orders ?
>>102982109>>102981957>>102981887>>102981835this is every capable am5 board
>>102981036>officially the game is rated t for teen so its marketed to kids & teenagerslol
>>102982095No it’s not you’re just making shit up to fit a narrative in your head because you are mentally ill.
>>102982170kids lie about their age you retard. so many underaged jits on /v/ right now with their iphones.>>102982452you're a jit if you think kids arent the majority of eceleb viewers.
>>102982292This, I was instantly put off when they picked a fucking 90$ board for the old system, but went for a fucking top of the line 220$ for the new one, at that point this is literally bullshitting the viewers, and this is the very own reason they got flack from tech jesus some years ago.
>>102982463You’re a retard making blanket generalized statements and acting as if it’s a fact. You’re just a mentally ill retard. Fuck off and stop making shit up to fit your regarded mental narratives that don’t reflect reality. There’s plenty of good reasons to hate ecelebs so I don’t know why you’d make shit up.
>>102982452>>102982375You kids dumb? Asmongold is managed by same talent manager as Mr Beast. Nickelodeon kid audience.
>>102982463>>102982479>92heh
>>102982479Thanks for confirming that you should never ever breed. I can’t even explain to you how stupid you are because you are just that fucking stupid.
>>102982230I'm on x870 pro rs
>>102982330Yeah, supermicro, taichi, god-like. Not for mere mortals I see.
>>102982479>Asmongold is managed by same talent managerdogshit argumentPop tarts & Incogmeato are made by the same people, surely it must have the same audience ????
>>102982479>my evidence is that he uses the same talent agency as these other successful ecelebs!>therefore his audience must be the exact same!You’re incomprehensibly stupid. I’m shocked you can even turn on a computer much less use it well enough to post here.
>1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E2Are those recommended because American prices? Out of those listed, only MSI G2412F is at reasonable price. Others are ~22 euro more expensive.I was thinking between AOC 24G2SPAE/BK, MSI G2412F, ktc h24t09p, BenQ EX240N, LG UltraGear 24GS50F-B and iiyama ProLite XU2493HSU-B6 (there's actually few iiyama monitors at the same price range)Those are all around 100 euros.Thoughts? Suggestions?
>>102982503should be fine for ddr5 8000. main thing is to make sure you have hynix a die or m die
>>102982591suggestions always depend on local pricing & OP suggestions are focused on american marketsSame reason it says "State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped."
only thing that matters desu
>>102982591>>102982632>suggestions always depend on local pricing & OP suggestions are focused on american marketsYeah, that what I was thinking. Because in general in Europe there is not that big of a gap between prices I don't think.Either way I'm thinking between the ones I've listed because they are all around 100 euros. At least here in Poland.Leaning towards AOC 24G2SPAE/BK because few youtubers recommended it or AOC 24G4(this one is 20 euro more tho). For 1080 gaming of course.
Arrow Lake only makes sense to those with an Intel Core 8~9th gen or older CPU, and who don't want to buy AMD for whatever reason.Everyone else can still wait® or get an AM5 CPU.
>>102982502>>102982514>>102982515
Probably a retarded question but why can two different games load my GPU to 100% (reportedly) but in one of them the temps stay relatively low while the other makes it throttle in minutes? Is GPU usage just a meme number?
>>102982452>>102982478>>102982502>>102982514>>102982515Stupid kids who watch ecelebs confirmed
sometimes my computer randomly shuts off. there are a zillion guides online to diagnose it. I'm stuck
>>102982749if gpu memory controller is 100% but core is sitting at idle its still "100% gpu utilization", viceversa.
>>102982707>ryzen 99950XWhen is this alien technology going to be made available to the customer?
literally all I do is play tf2. will a 7600x be better than 12400F?
>>102982760does it bluescreen? check psu first and if the cables are connected fully.
>>102982782tf2 should run perfectly fine on even a 10100f
>>102982792nope, just like complete power off, as if you yanked the power cord. it's really quite odd. happens when gaming.>>102982802nowadays with 100-player servers my 12400 struggles lol
>>102982768Is there a better number to look at, then, like GPU reported power?
>>102982811sounds like a too weak psu, or faulty maybe. i'd try swapping it out first just to be sure desu.
What's a good AI video card dont care about gaming.
>>102982741>megacorps have fingers in many things???
>>102982741Holy shit a post from /pol/! As if that had anything to do with you being a fucking retard and making false equivalencies. Keep doubling down idiot it’s funny.
>>102982750>mentally ill retard can’t admit when he’s wrongMany such cases.
>>102979019btw spring screws like these are perfect for m.2
>>102982828yeah, probably.
>>102982889>what do you mean, branching out is a good thing? Why wouldn't you quadruple down all on the same thing, that definitely couldn't go bad!
>Asrock TRX50 mobo is $400 in estadounidadia>seven fucking hundred euroshekels in the EUit's fucking over for this god-forsaken hospice of a continent
>>102982922order it and have it shippedI order some parts from EU when the exchange rate is good and the taxes are better sometimes
I'm increasing my GPU's memory clocks but don't get any improvement wtf
corsair 2000D y/n? replacing my NR200
>>102982958What GPU and what test are you using?
>>1029830054070 superUnigine superposition
>>102980007new bios versions can say "updated to support new cpu" so def update it before swap
>>102982958If the memory clock offsets are pushed too far, the VRAM is too busy correcting the errors in the background.That causes inefficiency and plateaued scores.Test 8K Superposition btw.
>>102982824download hwinfo64 and see if your gpu lets you track ppt or tdc.
>>102983032Yes I'm fully aware of that but at least expected some improvement from stock to mere +100
>>102983048I don't see any of that but I have core load, memory controller load, video engine load and bus load as separate values. I guess I'll compare all the values to get a better picture.
>>102983102Core load and Memory Controller are the two important ones then. Whichever is higher is the real GPU utilization at that moment in time.
what's the current state of igpu? what sort of frames might one get in like CS2 1440p with the current best igpu>yes this is a stupid question I know, Im just curious
>>102983145(like the AMD Ryzen 7 8700G 's integrated graphics)
>>102983145>1440P>iGPU1080p works well enough (80 fps on a 890M with FSR balanced in COD MW3)
>>102983171found a benchmark
>>102983070I'd check Time Spy (Extreme) or Steel Nomad bench as well.
>>102982720if you're still avoiding AMD after 6 generations you have mental issuesi understand avoiding ryzen 1000, 2000 or even 3000 but the ryzen brand is older now than the i7 brand was when they bought their 8700K
>>102983070>>102982958>>102983010you have a 4070 super. they're already pre overclocked to the max from the factory. theres really nothing to squeeze from defective silicon. 7900gre has a lot more oc headroom because they come nerfed by default and board partners like powercolor make better custom boards than nvidia.
>>102982782yesget the CPU with the highest possible single core boostget the RAM with the lowest latency you can get away with at a reasonable pricethis applies to pretty much all "old" games
With the recent DF CPU vid having live data, I am now 100% confident for gamers playing modern games, that 5800X3D is the best AMD cpu outside of the 7800X3Ds. Outside of HUB data, It blows every non-X3D zen 4/5 out the building for most newer games. DF data fits Gamer Nexus, Techpowerup (they have Zen 4 on avg better but when you remove a lot of the older stuff it tells another story), Linus, Canucks, Optium, Tom's hardware and more testers conclusion that 5800X3D for newer games is on average better than 7600x/7700x/Zen5. The reason for this is HUB has really bad data, look at their 1% lows and fps, they are all higher than the other websites and creators. It is literally 10 creators vs HUB, no one's data matches their crappy data for the 5800X3D. I think the reason for the bad HUB data is a lazy bench-marking where they walk in an open area, inflating fps and not stress testing proper cpu-bound events. This is why they can get these 40 game charts out so quickly. This form of testing isnt indicative of actual cpu performance when it counts. Like how the fuck are your 1% lows for BG3 in the 100s if you doing a CPU test? You are just walking around open areas like idiots not stressing anything! Nexus' does it correctly by emphasizing that he was in cpu-limited lower city Act 3 and has 1% lows in the 60s and 5800X3D btfoing every CPU but its younger brother. I've been noticing this for a year and with the DF video showing c2077 data being close to Nexus' c2077 data where 5800X3D was near top under its younger brother, i am convinced. With 3D cache aging like fine wine and more and more engines are stressing fast memory, 5800X3D is in many cases the second fastest AMD cpu besides 7800X3D out-the-box. I cant trust HUB and haven't for a while, these Australians don't know shit and I am glad OC forum posters have called them out on bad testing. Anyone posting their data here is mostly likely a noob.
How do I achieve this aesthetic with relatively modern hardware? Is there any non gayman workstation cases left out there?
>>102983219I could get +170 on the core fully stable in OCCT, it's OCing the memory the anomaly where I can't get any improvement even with minuscule increases like +50 and +100 MHz over stock.First time this has happened to me when OCing cards.
>>102983240>t. CPUPro
>>102983240HUB exists to push paid narrativesif AMD wants to push people to AM5 they will make the 5800X3D look badthe best example is when they claimed DDR5-4800 was faster than DDR4-4000, that videos sole purpose was to push people to DDR5 because it wasn't selling well at the time (2 years ago)
Disc monks how long it will last? 5200 rpm version. Parking disabled.
is it time or should I keep waiting, bros?
>>102983254open gpu-z and change the memory clock. stare at gpu-z again. compare how much memory bandwidth you gain in gpu-z. its miniscule.
>>102983314>actually buying intel in 2024
>>102983253Just get an empty dell/hp case? But they are often fit for their proprietary mobos and shit so idk how it works with normal hardware.>>102983314Just go amd bro. Intel has been killed like four times by this point.
>>102983314
>>102983232ok. if I go from a 12400f to 7600x, what should I maybe swap my Msi RX 6600 with?
>>102983219>and board partners like powercolor make better custom boards than nvidiawordmy backplate is fucking plastic lel
>>102983240a lot of reviewers with next gen cpu and rtx 4080 systems are getting the same fps as my all amd system thats full of old gen shit we're talking pcie 3.0 here man
>>102983285Post full smart. The power on hours % threshold has accurately predicted failures for 3 generations of drives in my NAS so I tend to trust it.
>>102983326How reliable are the AMD chips? too afraid to switch, 13 years bro... it just werked. >>102983336ain't foolin shit
>>102983349comparing a msi ventus 4070 super to a powercolor hellhound 7800xt is like night n day difference. the msi ventus looks and feels like a lightweight plastic toy. the hellhounds feels like it could cut me.
>>102983351Kinda giving the game away here
>>102983347GPU doesn't matter in TF2just get 7600X + 6000CL30 RAM, it should run really well
>>102983369
>>102983360>How reliable are the AMD chips?i'm sure you're aware of intel's recent track recordthe 2500K is from a different company, a company that no longer exists
>>102983370ok. I already have "Kingston Fury Beast Black 16GB 6000MT/s DDR5 CL40" so I'll re-use them as well.
>>102983324I bought 6 year old 12 nm used ryzen for 20$380$ is just...>>102983352Parking value is 40 000 but i fixed by wdidle years ago.It just always rotating.
>>102983360It's incomparable to intel which has been exploding left and right. If you want gayming the x3d is just too good even if you are poorfag because the 5700x3d is still peak.
>>102983379No one's saying AMD CPUs suck here
>>102983360litteraly anything you get will be an upgrade on both sides intel or AMD. that said the AMD chips are better right now , but Intel has the better I/O
>>102983379Explain to me like I'm 7, why is 7800X3D smaller number better than 7950X3D bigger number?
>>102983399Nvidia gpus have driver overhead tho. A 4090 at its best will perform like my 6900xt cuz the 4090 is bottlenecked by its drivers.
>>1029834161 CCD with extra cache is faster than 1 with and 1 without
>>102983416scheduling issues and latency due to software having to choose which CCD to use (only one has extra cache)
>>102983437Hmm.I'm guessing this is an issue for the upcoming Zen 5 X3Ds?
>>102983456we don't know because we have zero official details for how the zen 5 X3Ds work. your guess is probably as good as mine
>>102983411>>102983398amd seems to be only ahead in gaming which is why I'm leaning towards intel, I use blender and photoshop heavily.I do game a bit though
Day 569 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>>102983461Well I'm in no rush to buy one of these so I guess I'll wait until the usual suspects do their testingI'm done with "productivity" on my machine
any predictions when AMD drops multi threading?
>>102983492if you don't need the extra cores for productivity then just get a 9800X3D, most games scale to 8c
>>102983502next uarch, Zen 8 potentially. though there have been rumours that they were working on 4x multithreading for epyc
>>102983467>amd seems to be only ahead in gamingdoesn't threadripper literally bend intel over & rape the everliving shit out of them?
>>102983467Intel was "ahead" by turning into a solar flare. AMD is comparable while staying sub 200W and hot, but stable temps.
>>102983503Yeah, I made a mistake going with a 12c/24t CPU when I barely do anything but gaming and watching streams.
>>102983397>Power On Hours at 44% left after 1717 days.Means it's rated for ~3000 days. It's not a helium drive, good, since those are rated for ~1800 days and fail quickly past that point.It might possibly work for a lot more than its rated lifetime, but I'd start worrying and won't trust it with any critical data when the POH counter hits 5%.
>DDR5 @ 8.000MT/s, 9,00ns True latencyor>DDR5 @ 8.200MT/s, 9,27ns True latencyand why?
>>102983561Timings
>>102983314Gee, I wonder
>>102983571isn't that true latency?
>>102983561depends, what platform
im Incel (Intel fanboy), but lately they have been eating horsepoop. Do I really have to jump to leftist AMD? or do I just bite my lip and buy Intel and hope its fine?
>>102983535>Threadripperi doubt he wants to spend $5k anon
>>102983619>my regular sandwich shop has had loads of bad reviews recently and people have been finding literal shit in their sandwiches>should I go a bit further down the road to the other shop that has been really well reviewed and is the same price if not cheaper or do i just eat a shit sandwichthis is what you sound like
>>102983619Wdym?Undervolted raptor lake is fine. Some overclockers like scatterbench confirmed that arrow lake's poor latency can be fixed through tuning.
>>102983646Oh don't forget that the other shop is "political side I don't like" because everything you don't like is also an ideological enemy. Convenient how that works huh?
>>102983658dont you know, /g/ doesnt do any tuning anymore. they buy platforms for consuming only. if it doesn't max games out of the box its bad>at least the old conumsing (/g/uts) threads had soul
>>102983662it's insane. i've been using AMD since zen 2 and I want Intel to success now because a healthy, competitive market is better than one company having an implied monopoly
>>102983688intel still has a ginormous amount market share. anyone who works in an office and uses PCs outside of gaming knows this >hence why the OMG Samsung/Apple gonna buy intel is the dumbest thing ever
>>102983688I only want prices down, but I don't particularly care about Intel. They've been pretty fucking nasty.
>>102983727my past 2 laptops from work have been AMD, currently using a 7530U and our production server is using an Epyc. This is why Intel are scared because businesses are actually moving their entire workforces to AMD
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>>102983793Anecdotes are not reality anonMarket share : Intel ~70% AMD~30%%
>>102983591AM5Zen 5
every gaming monitor I bought in the last decade has died within 2 years, meanwhile the lcd monitors I have from the early 2000s and the CRT monitors from the 90s still work like new with 0 maintenance...
>>102983810absolutely, i agree but we are seeing a shift and I think as this continues we will see that gap diminish further
>>102983841WE demand free overclock. INTEL DO YOU HEAR?
>>102983561>>102983816Anyone?
>>102983906see here>>102983867
>>102983829Sounds like a combination of>survivorship bias>small sample size>retarded boomer mentality of not accounting for price difference and adjusting for inflation
>>102983950I'd say 5 dead monitors in 10 years and never having a single monitor die prior to that is more about a shift in manufacturing quality and less about "bias" or "sample size".
https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse/issuesshilling this program for my niggas with multi monitors again. it's the greatest program ever made
>>102983906Are you the guy that was asking for board reccs. last thread?
>>1029835618000 is where the planets align at a 1:1:2 ratio, you go up, you put the IMC out of sync with the Infinity Fabric
>>102983865>Overclocks your cpu>It rusts
>>102984099No>>102984111But I saw somewhere 8200mt being mentioned specifically for Ryzen 9000Was that BS then? So should I go for 8000mt with 9.00ns instead?Based on this below what should I get when o buy my 9800x3d pc?https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ddr5-memory-performance-scaling-with-amd-zen-5/8.html
>>102984214Speeds in excess of 6000 are tuner territory - you'll need to manually set clocks to improve performance over baseline. Fair enough if that's something you enjoy but in that case why ask? Bench it yourself. This goes double for X3Ds because all that cache makes them less dependent on memory.Basically, if you want to turn XMP on and start gaming, get 6000C30 (or C28 if you want to splurge). If you want to tune for its own sake get some Hynix A-die and get to benching.
>>102984111the planets also align at 8200:2050:2050watch this instead of guessinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcn_nvWGj7U
>>102984392>2050:2050Going above 2000 FLCK is a matter of luck.>watch some tranny rambling incoherently for half an hourno
>>102978277HenloI have 2x 8gb 3200mhz sticks of ram currently, and need 32gb since 2k24.I can't find 2 more sticks of the exact same 3200mhz binned model, but I can find the exact same model that is binned at 3600mhz instead (same cl16 timings).Obviously they will all need to run at 3200mhz. Am I correct in thinking that this will be fine or am I retarded for doing this?Both are Gskill Ripjaws. Only difference is the sillicon quality of the 3600mhz pair being higher I'm guessing.Thanks /g/
why avoid raptor lake
>>102984421>Going above 2000 FLCK is a matter of lucknot reallythe IF was improved on AM599% of samples will do the following:>ryzen 5000: wall at 1866-1900>ryzen 7000/9000: wall at 2133-2166>watch some tranny rambling incoherently for half an hourthis is the first time i've heard someone call buildzoid a tranny lmao>>1029844434 mismatched sticks have a very low chance of working OOTBg.skill doesn't produce the memory chips, that's micron, samsung or hynix and you don't know what your current sticks containget a new 2x16 kit instead
>>102984470Can't even call him a twink any more. Sad!
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-panther-lake-will-allegedly-reintegrate-the-memory-controller-into-the-compute-tile-nova-lake-is-expected-to-separate-the-two-again-with-added-optimizationsWE ARE SO BACK
>>102983810Yeah no way that can ever change in the next 1-2 years. Market share always remains static and never changes. There’s literally never been a market shift ever.
>>102984688why are they so schizophrenicjust copy what AMD has been doing since zen 2
>>102984295Right, then I'll go with 6000 and not bother learning memory tuning especially as it sounds like it's not worth the time investment
>>102984797It's a matter of opinion really. I don't think it'd be worth it for the performance gain but learning how memory works could well turn out to be valuable.
>>102984797for a nice middle ground buy 6000CL30 and copy buildzoid's timings:https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831run an overnight 8 hour stress test with karhu (10 euro, but best) or testmem5 (free, but slightly harder to set up)if it doesn't work, just use EXPO
>>102984837Thanks. Will do!
>new case arrived>have still to wait until 9800x3d releases>its not certain that I actually even get one day 1>but buying an outdated 7800x3d at the current price would be the most stupid thing to do if the successor is right around the cornerHoly shit I wanna build my fucking PC already fuck waiting
>>102984688>kopite>non-nvidia hardwareYeah no.
>>102985117Just make sure that you instantly order it as soon as it's available for ordering
