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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC (RIP)

>CPU
Budget: 12600KF, 7600X
Overpriced Gaming: 7800X3D
Workstation: 7900X, 9950X
AVOID: Intel 13/14 series

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III, Hyte THICC Q60
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670

>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD
https://ssd.borecraft.com/SSD_Buying_Guide_List.pdf
Budget: SN580
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5

>GPU
1080p: RTX 3060 12 GB / RTX 4060, RX 6600; ultra budget: used RTX 2060 Super
1440p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
2160p: RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super
Amateur production: RTX 3060 12GB, RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, used RTX 3090, RTX 4090

>CASE (from $ to $$$)
mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/III
AVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow, Fishtanks

>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
Mid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max load
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
AVOID: GAMEMAX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

>MONITOR
1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D
4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
High end: Arctic P12/P14(Max) (5-pack)

Smol: >>102986009
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[sad news] oliver from digital foundry has cancer and/or advanced diabetes
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>>102995547
Actual Building guide:
https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

My 2080ti died.

So here's the rest of the computer that's left:
>threadripper 2950X
>GTX 1080
>128gb ECC RAM
>1000W PSU, but it does not have any 12V HPWR connectors, I'm willing to replace this.

I want to
>give the 1080 to a windows VM to play games on
>do AI shit and play whatever games I can on Kubuntu

The monitor is 4k 144hz, so the replacement needs to support HDMI 2.1, but I only play on playing games at 1080p. In theory I can cram 4 2 slot cards in my case provided they're all blowers (or I watercool the whole monstrosity but I really don't want to do that) to do AI stuff with, but obviously those all have to use the same driver as whatever I get. I'm actually okay with llama.cpp CPU performance I've been having so far since all I really want to use it for is bullshit social media posts, but better Stable Diffustion performance would be nice.

Considerations: The bottom slot on my motherboard is pcie x8. I've got this PCIE riser thing I was using for aesthetics mostly with the other x16 slot, but if I put the 1080 in that x8 slot, am I going to have any bottleneck issues? I mean the whole system is pcie 3.0. Of course if I do that I can't use any graphics card whose cooler is taller than the bracket.

This system is also my NAS. I'm really tempted to move the Kubuntu SSD over to a new ITX motherboard thanks the the driver clusterfuck I've ended up with trying to swap WHICH gpu was passed through to the VM, which I know will fit, provided I stick to 2 fan cards only. But I can also move the drives and motherboard over to a new case.

Money isn't the issue but I don't want to throw out or try to sell this CPU and motherboard if I can help it, but I'm not going to pretend there aren't advantages to putting all this stuff in a new case, pawning it off on someone, and starting over.

What should I do?
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reposting for another opinion

which combination would you choose? if you were concerned about noise and thermals equally
i like the torrent's big 180mm fans, but during game load, i wonder if the big 420mm rad would keep the cpu cooler and thus the smaller 140mm fans spinning slower
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WHEN 5090
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>>102995618
announced at ces
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>>102995567
>morbidly obese
>never fasted even once
>never let bad cells get flushed out due to constant influx of goyslop
he gets what he fucking deserves

>>102995607
>i wonder if the big 420mm rad would keep the cpu cooler and thus the smaller 140mm fans spinning slower
the answer is yes, a 360 or a 420 will always win over a dual tower
but if you are running x3d or some shit like this the diff is most likely negligible and retarded, unless you want the max boosts at all times and lowest temps
overkill and retarded maybe, yes, but better in raw terms

>>102995618
january you can redeem sir
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>>102995631
sounds good, the plan was the 9800 x3ds when they come out

can't ever overcool something
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Any way you can buy pre-delidded CPUs?
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>>102995607
If you're buying any reasonable "gaming" CPU it's only going to pull ~50W so any decent cooler will be quieter than your card. Your fan curves will be more important than the hardware itself. For pure gaming just go with the cheaper option (hell, get a Meshify 2 instead of the Torrent). OTOH, if you're also going to regularly load the CPU to 100%, the big AIO should be quieter.
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So what's the expected price on the RTX 5070? 600? I want to upgrade my 6700XT.
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>>102995646
the downside is you have added pump noise, you should run max pump speeds for the best perf too, but you will also have less fan ramping up and down and better transient temps with aio compared to tower
both types can be more silent depends how you config the shit

>>102995669
a certain bald canadian man sells them
also many others I guess
or just buy the delid tool and open your cpu
if you have to ask these things are you the target audience for extreme overclocking?
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>>102995703
5070 seems to have very few cores compared to 5090, relatively fewer than 4070 4090 counterparts so its gonna be shit but prob cost around 600-700€
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>>102995703
nvidia would like for you to send them your testicles through the mail, no lesser price is acceptable, once you receive your certificate of successful transitioning you shall be granted the permission of acquiring an nvidia gpu in the year 2025
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>>102995735
And for the 5090?
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>>102995618
Was the founders edition 4090 sold out on launch? I want to get a 5090 in January but idk if it's going to be in stock online, and my nearest microcenter is 8 hours away.
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>>102995747
At least one lobe, leather jacket man is kind enough to let you choose which one
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>>102995747
your family also will have to sign an agreement that they will transition, regardless of what sex they are right now whether they want it or not, your children, even the unborn ones, will have to go through these procedures as well for a few generations down the line
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>>102995755
expect founders editions to be almost always sold out
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>>102995794
i think the AIB designs look better anyway
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>>102995607
> $349 for a fucking case
I assume those are aussie dollars.
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>>102995791
>>102995767
>>102995735
the fuck are these reddit replies
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>>102995879
just 4u
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Should I run my voltage controlled intake fans along with my cpu fans or should I just run them at full tilt? Those are my only two options, I think
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Are aftermarket CPU coolers mandatory these days or what? My Ryzen 3600 (which I acknowledge is not exactly up to date) with the stock one struggles to hit 80C under heavy load, and in games it's often not doing much to the point where setting fans to be controlled by CPU temp is pointless.
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>>102996036
if it comes with a stock cooler you're ok using it, but fewer high end cpus even come with coolers as time goes on
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>>102995975
>voltage controlled intake fans
I guess you mean they take DC signal only and not pwm signal. I suggest trying to get a nice balance of intake and exhaust and then find an RPM value that isnt too noisy and an easy way to find that is with fancontrol and just fix them at that value afterwards. Idk about your mobo, but i have dc fans too but i can still select pwm and set a fan speed% and then swap to dc and it auto translates the pwm% to dc in mV. To get them to run at all times at the same speed afterwards select any target and input a low temperature target like 10C.
Case fans and gpu and cpu fans should run independently of one another.
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>>102996036
just get a 20-40 dollar one from amazon. i have 3700x which is basically the same processor and my shit never gets hot with the cheap Deepcool thing I bought. i idle around 41 and doing intensive shit i hit around 65.
also just a heads up using PBO or trying to overclock a 3600 doesn't really improve performance it just makes your temps worse
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>>102996036
Because cooling can be fine, good or overkill.
The first does okay at the expense of noise at high load, the second is the typical balanced option and there's overkill for those autismos after both cooling and silence.
Then there's special situations like housefires where working at 999W is "intended" and >>102996100 where the processor doesn't even come with a bundled cooler.
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5700x3d + 4080s, do I stick with 144hz 1440p or should I upgrade to 240/360hz?
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>>102995975
I use system temperature to regulate case fans.
When gaming my GPU is the main furnace that heats up everything and the overall system temperature increases.
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>>102996155
if you buy oled those tend to be 360hz these days
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>>102995547
toughts?

>900s timer fucking kek
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>>102996169
>4k 160hz + 4060ti
based
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>>102996165
I found that some games I play can't hit 360 fps but can easily do 200, thats why I put 240
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>>102996169
get a better keyboard my dude
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>>102996169
>128GB on a 5700x3d
>$400 case
>500GB nvme
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>>102996036
Stock coolers do not perform well. They also break easily. This is why they're free. A 25 dollar item can make a world of difference.
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>>102996155
redeem asus 1440p 480hz 27" woled if you play shooters only
redeem asus 4k 240hz 32" qdoled if you do multiple things
redeem burger flip job if you don't have 1k+ for monitor until you do

>>102996169
>buying into ddr4 now
>am4
redeem rope to hang yourself with
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>>102996187
with gay lights?
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>check local sites to see if any 4080s are still available for cheaper and if I should have waited
>literally everything sold out
Kek
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bought 7 argb fans with an argb controller and now i regret it
this looks so fucking gay
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>>102996219
we tried to warn you bro
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>>102996211
With actual switches
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>>102996195
so?
it's the boot drive
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>>102996219
anon its 2024 , your motherboard should have RGB software/controller that's good enough
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>>102996237
>he fell for the boot drive meme in 2024
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>>102996178
Wait until he overclocks it.
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is there a worse thread on all of /g/?
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>>102996255
the fags obsessing about headphones and keyboards
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>>102996169
>128GB ram
>3200mhz
>only 4060
>400 case lmao
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>>102996239
it's the fact of having normal fans then buying argb fans with a controller and reassemble everything + the extra cable salad from argb only to turn off the leds because they look gay and go back to step 1
should've listened to the boomers
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>>102996294
Just set them to single color and not spinning lgbt
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r8 my upgrade

cooler and gpu are from my current system
I hope I will be able to reach at least 5xxxMhz on the ram.
Will probably add a 5090 in the second slot when it releases.
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>>102996219
the inclusive term is lgbt
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>>102995870
you dont even know the worst of it
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>>102996313
What exactly do you need nearly 200 gbs of RAM for?
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>>102996169
2x64gb ram will perform better than 4x32gb ram
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>>102996330
brave browser
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>>102995703
>upgrading after 1 generation
i thought this was a meme, people actually do this?
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>>102996336
yes anon consoomers exist
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>>102996335
Not enough, you need a motherboard with 8 ram slots.
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>>102996330
Mostly shitz and giggles but I already have 64gb and a few times I did reach that while doing work stuff.
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>>102996178
Reverse-sleeper 1080p build.
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>>102996200
dumb cunt
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>>102996333
checked and how so?
>>102996243
what's the meme?

Alright sell me on AM5 you fags
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>>102996433
nta but you only have 2 memory channels and 4 sticks are harder to run at high frequencies than 2
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>>102996433
the meme is that SSDs were once expensive enough that it made sense to get a small one and then a larger HDD
that was 10 years ago
having a small SSD to install your OS just wastes your limited nvme slots, are less cost effective, and leads you to annoyance down the line when dealing with applications that throw a fit if they aren't installed on your OS drive
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>>102996449
>>102996433
yep, I used to have 2x8gb 3200 and I overclocked the RAM and tightened timings and it was fine. added another 2x8gb 3200 set of identical RAM from same brand and everything and it borked my shit and actually fried one of the ram sticks too
these days I don't fuck with overclocking RAM (beyond XMP or whatever automatic shit) because I don't wanna break my shit again
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whats the deal with high spec ram and AMD?

im looking to buy the 9800 x3d when its out, but all the kits for 96gb (2x48) are the corsair dominator series at 6400/32, will this be fine?
the corsair page itself lists compatibility for intel XMP but nothing about AMD compatbility
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>>102996433
AM5 has the TOP gaymen CPU
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>>102996169
not sure if based or retarded actually

>>102996449
>3200CL"""16"""
>high frequencies
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>>102996514
CMK96GX5M2B6000C30
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Are there any of the labs that do in-depth PSU reviews that are full of shit?
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>>102996560
this SKU is not available in australia

i was looking at the same thing, but is it possible to 'downclock' the nearest available neighbour SKU that is actually available (6400/CL32)
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Buy a 10% discounted 4070ti super or wait for 5070? Would it cost much more or cause a housefire?
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>>102996596
both are 12gb slop so whatever
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>>102996596
wait
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>>102996592
Yes you can manually adjust the timings

>>102996589
aren't*?
Just read the Cybenetics report
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>>102996592
>but is it possible to 'downclock'
Yes
I had to bring my 4000MHz DDR4 memory down to 3600 so it could work in a 4x8GB setup.
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>>102996496
>it borked my shit and actually fried one of the ram sticks too
lol what the fuck did you
or i guess it was the board, never trust motherboard defaults
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>>102996482
>just wastes your limited nvme slots,
which will go unused
>leads you to annoyance down the line when dealing with applications that throw a fit if they aren't installed on your OS drive
kick those to the curve
install important ones to OS drive
simple as
>>102996496
>>102996449
cool, I'll stick to a pair of sticks then
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>>102996630
>>102996639
thanks, end up ordering the exact sku off german amazon, hopefully this stuff works with 9800 x3d and it doesn't magically start supporting much faster ram

>$600 for ram
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>>102996327
>Intel wifi
At least you don't have to plug it in, but you deserve hiv if you do.
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>>102996778
well, it doesn't SAY intel, but...

>Wi-Fi 7*
2x2 Wi-Fi 7 (802.11be)
Supports 2.4/5/6GHz frequency band**
Support Wi-Fi 7 320MHz bandwidth, up to 6.5Gbpstransfer rate.
Bluetooth® v5.4***
*Wi-Fi features may vary depending on the operating system
For Windows 11, Wi-Fi 7 will require24H2 or later version for full functions, Windows 11 21H2/22H2/23H2 only support Wi-Fi 6E.
For Windows 10, please note that no driver is available, refer to the Wi-Fi chipset vendor's website for details.
** Wi-Fi 6GHz frequency band and bandwidth regulatory may vary between countries.
*** The Bluetooth® version may vary, please refer to the Wi-Fi module manufacturer's website for the latest specifications."
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>>102995547
How good is the H100 for a simple budget PC? I like that big intake fan.
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>bought a nhu12a
>only dropped 3-5c from 12s
Wait did I get memed?
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>>102996778
intel chipsets are pretty sturdy, i actually had issues with my last wifi chipset which was a broadcomm

and intel is the only offering if you are looking for 6E and above
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>>102996878
only as long as its not 2.5g ethernet
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>>102996864
>bought a whole cooler to replace a fan
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>>102996778
I thought realtek was the shit one?
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>>102995547
I need your help /pcbg/
I bought a new PC with the ASUS PRIME B550M-A WIFI II motherboard and I can't get it to connect to Wi-Fi
BIOS says Wi-Fi is enabled but it DOESN'T SHOW UP on Windows 10, downloading drivers from a different computer and trasfering with an USB doesn't do anything
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>>102996894
It had 2 extra heatpipes and larger heatsink, I got fucking memed
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>>102996896
Did you install the motherboard's drivers? I have that board and I needed to install everything. It included a CD with them and luckily, I have a cheap external DVD drive.
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>>102996930
I don't know, does changing OS uninstall MB drivers? It had Win11 in but I didn't check if I could use Wi-Fi before changing it to Win10
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>>102996884
I cant believe they are still using the I225-V.
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Any low(ish) profile fullsize keyboards with media buttons and no ghosting other than the Logitech G815?
My Sidewinder X4 is dying and the Current Year keyboard market seems like a hellish clownworld nightmare (billions must die).
No, I'm not going to go ask the deranged freaks in they keyboard thread, I hope they all die of gay plague GRIDS.
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>>102997060
No, you HAVE to go to MKG and buy a $500 keyboard that you have to put together
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7800xt or 4060ti 16gb, for stable diffusion, other random AI applications, and playing games on a Linux box with pcie 3.0 slots?
Or am I going to hate myself (more) if I don't go all the way up to a 4070ti super?
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>>102997284
4080s, why gimp yourself
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>>102996974
works fine on linux and freebsd
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>>102997284
4090, why gimp yourself
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>>102997284
5090, why gimp yourself
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>>102997433
Because I'm this idiot up here>>102995580
and I was happy with how my 2080ti performed, until I possibly killed it by asking the NVIDIA driver to pretend a display was plugged unto an empty port, so maybe AMD would let me avoid that at the cost of RTX features I wasn't using even though I know I'm supposed to, and CUDA features wasn't really using but still need for some AI stuff if I ever need them. I supposed either of those would be somewhat worse than the 2080ti was.
And yeah I'm pretty sure it's dead it it's pulling this in Windows too.
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is it a vcache sandwitch with double the cache?
9800x3d will be great but only 8 cores in 2025 is real let down.
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>>102997597
https://x.com/AMDRyzen/status/1848352802558353583
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>>102997597
You don't need cores for gaymes
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>>102995547
>Overpriced Gaming: 7800X3D
about that, even at scalped prices its still good value.
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>>102997597
Vcache on bottom, just like that one patent they filed where they put vram below the ccd.
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>>102997603
>the amount of braindead consoomers stroking brand account dicks on social media
i'm sure some of those retards replace all their components every gen only to play slop that would run on a potato
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What's the biggest storage drive size that isn't retarded these days
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>>102998037
8TB for SSDs
16TB for HDDs
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>>102997284
just got a 4060ti 16gb and it runs stable diffusion bretty good, also running linux.
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Why do these copy-pastes generals never recommend a BenQ EX240 for 1080p monitors? Pretty sure it's better than all of these.
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>>102998048
Thanks. I'm definitely looking at HDDs because the idea here is to maximize my last SATA slot because I can't just add more drives when they get full anymore, but damn I was hoping they would have dropped in price. My last 8GB drive was Black Friday or whatever but it's exactly the same price today. Which I guess actually isn't that bad with inflation and the local exchange rate.
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>>102997284
The difference between the 4060 and 4070 won't affect you much, it will be the difference between about 10 1024x1024 1girls vs 20 in a minute. VRAM is what matters and we're at the point where 16GB is frequently a bottleneck for image captioning and the newest image models, let alone locally-run video stuff and language models. Not saying you should wait, but it makes much more sense to save $350+ going with the 4060, especially if a 5070 21GB comes out in half a year.
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>>102997925
I wish HUB still had the 5800X3D in as a reference. I know they were rushed and benchmarking takes time, but it would have been a nice marker for AM4 users and especially given how cheap the 5700X3D is. Will probably make a good content piece after the 9800X3D launches to compare against the 7800X3D, and 5800X3D to see VCache scaling over time.


TPU's review includes a wider range of chips for now:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/31.html
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>>102998123
>Thanks. I'm definitely looking at HDDs because the idea here is to maximize my last SATA slot because I can't just add more drives when they get full anymore, but damn I was hoping they would have dropped in price. My last 8GB drive was Black Friday or whatever but it's exactly the same price today. Which I guess actually isn't that bad with inflation and the local exchange rate.
If PCPP has indexed links in your country (check in the upper right drop-down box) sort by price per GB here:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#t=5000,5200,5400,5640,5700,5760,5900,5940,7200&D=0&sort=ppgb&page=1
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>>102998156
Okay. And there's no reason I should expect that I can shove some Tesla P40s into the thing and get more vram at the cost of speed that way, right? And there's no way for a game to use the P40 as extra vram, right? Not even for Proton to use for vulkan shaders, right?
But I could use my GTX 1080 as essentially just a display adapter, use a P40 as my AI accelerator, and pass through my new card through to a windows VM, right? Since I play games more often on windows anyway.
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>>102998195
According to them they literally got their review units 3 days before or something and barely had any time to do some basic testing. Chips and cheese literally made a video to explain that the reason they don't have a review up is because they still haven't gotten a motherboard yet.
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>>102998117
They have similar or higher paper specs but are more barebone builds (eg. no height adjustment or USB ports) so they MSRP significantly lower. I'm not going to say what that makes better but I know personally for example stand features are a complete waste for me because I use VESA mounts.

>>102998233
Yeah I'm already looking there and the drive in question is one of the cheapest per GB on there.
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Is 7900xtx worth double that of 7900gre?
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alright boys, I'm sort of retarded. Built my pc, turned it on. Fans come on, lights come on, but nothing is output. What did I fuck?
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>>102998396
Make sure your monitor is connected to the GPU
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>>102998378
Nothing over 7800xt on amd side is worth it.
>>102998396
Did you.. Plug the display cable in the GPU?
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>>102998378
IMO, no it isn't.
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>>102998262
I think the P40 is pretty strict in its mobo compatibility and annoying to get set up
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>>102998411
>>102998423
on the contrary, the 7900XT is available for 4070 super pricing and is 20% stronger than the GRE and 4070 super, its probably the best priced Navi 31 card atm.
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What if l3 cache above and below, full sandwich 3d cache
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>>102998528
then you get 4ghz fmax
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Why don't they pack the desktop CPUs into the big threadripper/xeon IHS'? wouldn't that help with the heat a lot.
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>>102998297
>According to them they literally got their review units 3 days before or something and barely had any time to do some basic testing. Chips and cheese literally made a video to explain that the reason they don't have a review up is because they still haven't gotten a motherboard yet.
The more I hear about Arrow Lake's launch the less worse it gets.
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>>102998569
Get on with the times boomer, now there is Epyc on AM5. If you are worried about heat, get an AIO.
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Are ITX/SFFPC builds a meme or are they actually a good idea? I feel like I don't give a shit about modern AAA gaming so I don't need a top-of-the-line GPU. I think I like the portability of a small ass computer more than anything else

Use cases for high-end GPUs?
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>>102998587
My point was why not make the IHS and socket big as fuck to make more surface.
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>>102998577
Go watch Leo's review and you'll see what reviewers has to deal with.
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>>102998597
>Are ITX/SFFPC builds a meme or are they actually a good idea? I feel like I don't give a shit about modern AAA gaming so I don't need a top-of-the-line GPU. I think I like the portability of a small ass computer more than anything else
Yes, you can build smaller-volume rigs that still have ATX/M-ATX compatibility without paying the ITX Tax, and sacrificing performance and use-of-building potential.

>Use cases for high-end GPUs?
Apart from using them to make money, VR and high-end E-Sports stuff.
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>>102998597
Every single SFFPC build I've seen has had a 14900k(Y)s and a 4090 so based on a small sample size I've come to the conclusion that anyone building a SFFPC is a massive retard.
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>>102998614
>VR
Oh shit oh fuck I totally forgot about VR. That's actually a really good counterpoint to SFF gaming PCs at least
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>>102998622
you sound bitter
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>>102998662
Not really, I'm currently very happy with my life.
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>>102998671
nahh, a happy person likes sff builds
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>>102998681
>>102998671
Come home, mommy's waiting for you
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>>102998597
>Use cases for high-end GPUs?
Run llama.
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>>102998597
ITX can be a good idea when you wanna bring your own CPU, GPU, and/or maybe multiple storage drives. Otherwise, a mini-PC or laptop may fit your use case better. Or even a micro-ATX build, if what you actually want is just a smoler footprint for your desktop.
Actually building an ITX machine can be pretty annoying. Space doesn't always end up working out like you'd expect, so improvisation, sometimes to the point of case modding, may be necessary.
If you're serious about a really smol build, CPU cooler selection also tends to be pretty limited. Which can limit your CPU choices, tho AMD's x3d line has made it easier.
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What are the recommended hdds for media storage? I saw a seagate barracuda 4tb on amazon but apparently those are slow as fuck and eventually die
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>>102998715
Any HDD from seagate, WD, and some other company will be fine anon. In 12 years I've only had I HDD fail and it was banged around a lot in its life time
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>>102998715
Ironwolf Nas drives, Exos drives.
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>>102998715
Whatever is cheapest.
Use PCPP's Sort-by-Price/GB feature in >>102998233
Sometimes there are good deals on external drives too (you can shuck some models if you do your research):
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/external-hard-drive/#sort=ppgb&page=1


As well as
https://diskprices.com/
which lets you filter by new, used/refurb/recertified, etc. or both.
If you go the not-new route you can follow this video on how to check the health of the drive when you get it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-jEvA-ge8M
Make sure you don't get an SMR drive instead of CMR (might have to look up the individual SKU's spec sheet to find out) UNLESS it's the best deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0UDtCiYgI
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>>102996839
can you even buy it anywhere?

all manufacturers have phased out the high performance cases for shit with fans behind glass
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>>102998789
>all manufacturers have phased out the high performance cases for shit with fans behind glass
Those are meant to be used with AIOs / full liquid cooling, get a proper case with airflow.
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>>102998789
Lancool 217 should be dropping soon and the lancool series is usually really good for air-cooling.
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only bugmen like itx
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>>102998868
post side profile now
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>>102995547
where can i get 32x2 6000CL30
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>>102998913
Online retailers.
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>>102997900
>>102997597
cant you like, assign a whole CCD to a game, therefore eliminating any latency issues?
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>>102998913
amazon, newegg have them
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>>102996895
I'm not allowing wifi or bt into my box. I use a mesh router, and hook into ethernet, though yes there's wifi. If I had enough money I'd be no wireless completely in my life, and I mean completely, but that's improbable.
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>>102998938
What app actually exhibits latency issues in a practical scenario?
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>>102998938
>>102998974
Like let's take the absolute worst AMD cpu for cross-chiplet latency.
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can I ACTUALLY just skip am5 if I go for a 5700x3d/5800x3d?
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>>102999006
thats up to your tolerance of lowering settings and lowering your standards over time
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Every time I find a case I think I like I find a reason not to buy it.

I hate this...

I just want a nice relatively compact atx compatible case with 360 rad support...
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>>102999029
Qube 500 anon. I have it and I love it.
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>>102999036
>280 rad
I don't know if I want to make this compromise on what's going to be a 9950x3d build.
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>>102999035
Another vaporware project with promise that intel abandoned because it didn't instantly make them 1 gorillion dollars after the first earnings report. Just like Arc.
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>>102998527
No, because pure raster becomes less of a factor past the 7800xt. You can easily run any decent game on 7800xt comfortably at 1440p or higher. After that, if you want to pay, you're paying for RT. So it's pointless to go beyond it if that's not a factor.
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>>102999060
9950x3d draws less power than zen4 7950x and 7900x. You'll be fine.
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id buy a 9950x3d if it has two vcache ccds
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>>102999092
save your pennies.
https://www.techpowerup.com/327057/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-and-9900x3d-to-feature-3d-v-cache-on-both-ccd-chiplets
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>>102999092
It probably will that's why I'm already planning my build for it early the 9900x3d releases in less than two weeks will be interesting to see if it has double cache too because if it does that confirms the 9950x3d will.
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what is THE best sub-$80 mATX/mini-ITX case
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>>102999114
How do you fit a 360mm in mATX retard?
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>>102999114
Checkout what fractal has to offer. They are pretty good looking.
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>>102999106
only the 9800X3D is releasing in two weeks, the 9900X3D and 9950X3D are CES.
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>>102999157
Oh, it's over.
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>>102999147
He's not me.
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>>102999092
>>102999105
>>102999106
not sure what it will solve, won't there be extra overhead in managing the second cache? even if it's a clone it still will have latency waiting for updates between them and shit
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>>102999173
both ccds having the same perf characteristic means you dont get shit performance from bad scheduling. and the scheduler already works perfectly well on such cpus since its been refined from dual ccx zen1
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>>102998974
doesnt it cause stutters in games?
the 7800x3d is considered the best gaming cpu specifically because it is single CCD.
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>>102999173
well because V-cache doesn't affect clock speeds anymore it means they can have their cake and eat it too, the latency wont be any worse than normal inter-CCD latency while still having a gaming uplift and productivity uplift.
unlike with the 7900X3D and 7950X3D where it would sometimes use a core from the wrong CCD for games.
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>>102999086
>9950x3d draws less power
source?
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>>102999147
there are plenty of mATX cases that you can fit a 360mm in you dumbass, it becomes a problem in mini-ITX cases
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>>102997900
having more cores help reduce slowdowns from shader compilation while gaming
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>>102999173
You seem to have a misconception of what the vcache actually is. The core dies already have a 32mb slab of l3$ and the extra cache just sits on top (or underneath, this gen) it, directly connected to the first slab of cache by hundreds of data pathways. It is all one coherent cache as far as the cpu is concerned, the only penalties if any it experiences due to multi ccd would be penalties already experienced by the on-ccx cache slab.
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>>102999201
>V-cache doesn't affect clock speeds anymore
source?
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>>102999201
>5.2ghz 9800x3d
>5.5ghz 9700x
of course it does if not they'd be shipping with even higher 1T boost
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>>102997900
some benefit. also, some ppl use computers for more than just games
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https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-Ultra-9-285K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-7950X3D/4173vsm2052977

and so it started
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Ryzen's multi ccd design is such that any time cache needs to be read or written from another ccd, the cache line is flushed into system memory then written back to the cpu. It's monumentally slow. That's probably the main reason the 7800x3d outperforms so much. Scheduling works 99.9% of the time but even of 0.1% of cpu cycles are exhibiting this behavior performance will drag noticeably...

You can always disable one ccd on a 9950x3d and just have a better binned higher clocked 9800x3d though. Probably wouldn't do this permanently but there may be niche scenarios where you really want that extra 5% fps...
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>>102999246
50% higher multi-core!? YABBA DABBA DOOO!!!! INTEL WON! THANK YOU CPUPRO
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>>102999246
Huh, I wonder why he removed the FPS comparison and replaced it with an effective speed measure
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>>102999261
If your software can't handle scheduling, chuck your stupid windows and come to linux. Stop being a retard.
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>>102999261
>Ryzen's multi ccd design is such that any time cache needs to be read or written from another ccd, the cache line is flushed into system memory then written back to the cpu
no, that's not how it works, the data is transferred over the CCD links, it's still faster than accessing main memory
if it didn't work like this you would end up in situations where data read by CCD1 from main memory is different from the data written to the L3 in CCD2
>That's probably the main reason the 7800x3d outperforms so much
no, it's because games end up on the cacheless CCD on the 7950X3D

windows has no issues keeping tasks on one CCD (this was fixed back when the 3950X launched) but it doesn't know which CCD the application would prefer for maximum performance (cache or frequency)
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>>102999322
That is how it worked a few years ago, maybe it changed. I haven't kept up. Always seemed like a massive flaw in infinity fabric I should have more faith in amd engineers to iterate
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>>102999329
>That is how it worked a few years ago
no platform has worked like that and can work like that
the different CCDs need to maintain cache coherency
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>>102999261
this wont be true for the 9950X3D because it will have V-Cache on both CCDs, it will rarely have to go out to memory and is going to be a monster.
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>>102999341
I'm just describing what happens when a thread and whatever cache is associated with it is moved to another ccd. It should have no impact on cache coherency. It's just a necessary step or at least was
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>>102999356
it won't perform better than the 9800X3D but it won't perform worse either
9800X3D is still the chip to buy for most people but at least you won't have to fuck around with process lasso to make the 9950X3D work
>>102999358
the CPU doesn't move threads on its own (too high level) and the OS has no control over caches (too low level)
everyone has already figured out why the 7950X3D sucks so bad, no need to comment on things you don't understand
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>>102999379
The behavior I am describing long predates the x3d chips
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>>102999385
the behavior you're describing doesn't exist
stalling both CCDs to flush the cache to main memory would be retarded

how do you think these types of tests work? you read a value in the CCD2 L3 cache from CCD1 to determine core-to-core latency
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>>102999401
Thread moves from one core die to another -> dirty cache line is generated -> It gets written back to system memory. What do you think happens?
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>>102999401
That test is something different than what I'm describing
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>>102999433
>>102999439
>Ryzen's multi ccd design is such that any time cache needs to be read or written from another ccd, the cache line is flushed into system memory then written back to the cpu
this is what you described and it's wrong
stale data will eventually be evicted and written to system memory, but that's not unique to AMD, that's literally just how caches work
not going to keep biting the bait, i assume you bought a 7950X3D and got buyer's remorse
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>>102999457
It happens every time a thread jumps between core dies though unlike threads moving around on a monolithic design. It adds overhead.
I don't own a ryzen cpu, stay mad I guess
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>>102999469
windows doesn't move threads between different CCDs unless absolutely necessary
this is the optimization that was added back when the 3950X came out
not the issue with the 7950X3D
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>>102999493
And sometimes it is "absolutely necessary". All the scheduling magic in the world can't change the reality that is chains of dependency and the overhead existing in what is, effectively, a multi-socket system in some ways.
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>>102999515
you're greatly overestimating how often windows moves threads
the 7950X3D sucks because games end up on the wrong CCD, not because it moves between CCDs
with two V-cache dies there is no "wrong CCD"
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what are the chances of a new am4 motherboard not having an updated bios for zen 3? surely its been out long enough that any mobo i find will be compatible out of the box, right?
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>>102999524
If you're loading up more than 8 threads with any sort of dependencies it's going to be a shitfest that's all. Most games can fit on a single ccx and most loads that will saturate 16 cores aren't dependency bound, like rendering. But edge cases are still the ruination of shitlets.
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>>102999550
>If you're loading up more than 8 threads with any sort of dependencies it's going to be a shitfest that's all
no, that's still going to be faster than running 9 threads on 8 cores
the 7950X does better than the 7700X in thread-heavy games
it doesn't suffer in lightly threaded games either

you said you don't even own a ryzen CPU, so how would you know?
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>>102999577
example of a game that scales with cores
5900X > 5800X3D
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>>102999535
Very low, and in the 1% chance it doesn't that's what BIOS Flashback was created for.
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>>102999535
very low chance with B550/X570
high chance with B450/X470 (if you can still find one of those)
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>>102999550
Games don't synchronize between threads that much since there's usually a main thread that handles everything
Emulators do run into the problem you described though
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>>102999646
>Games don't synchronize between threads
even if they do, it's still faster than having 2 threads share the same core and run at half speed

explanation for someone with intel brain: one of your cores turn into E-cores for every additional thread you add
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Windows scheduler is so crap that RPCS3 has a option to use its own scheduler for problematic CPUs. Also Windows Power Management features in the settings affect more than you realize. Stuff like USB suspend and PCIE power saving make your CPU cores take longer to wake things up leading to lower fps or stutter.
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>>102999684
>Windows scheduler is so crap that RPCS3 has a option to use its own scheduler for problematic CPUs
that shit is old, it was intended for the 1600X and 2600X which used a 3+3 layout
haven't tested to see if it does anything today but i would be surprised if it does
>Stuff like USB suspend and PCIE power saving make your CPU cores take longer to wake things up leading to lower fps or stutter
"deep sleep" features should always be disabled in general
that's for laptops
you can use morepowertool to disable deep sleep for AMD GPUs, if you have NVIDIA i guess you're fucked but at least you can play cyberpunk with path tracing
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>>102999322
>doesn't know which CCD the application would prefer for maximum performance (cache or frequency)
can you not just assign cores manually?
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>>102999736
sure, that's what process lasso does
or you can buy the 7800X3D which is cheaper and just works
your choice
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>>102996644
>lol what the fuck did you
you remember that dude iusmus that made the overclocking software? i used his shit to oc my ram. i have and had no fucking idea what i was doing. i used his software to oc my shit. when i upgraded to 32gb it just fucked my shit up.
my pc still worked but i started getting random shutdowns... eventually i did a ramtest and realized that one of sticks got fried.
i'm assuming it's because the overclock didn't work when i filled the other dimm slotws
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>>102999524
>the 7950X3D sucks because games end up on the wrong CCD
then performance when on the wrong CCD would be better than on a 7700X
is it?
I was under the impression it was not
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>>102999771
>you remember that dude iusmus that made the overclocking software?
oh yeah lmao the DRAM calculator
it never works
>eventually i did a ramtest and realized that one of sticks got fried
i think you
>picked the wrong die type or revision in the calculator
>had mismatched sticks (hynix and micron, samsung and micron, samsung and hynix, etc)
and the calculator gave you a DRAM voltage that was only safe for some of your sticks
just because you bought both kits from the same brand doesn't mean they use the same chips underneath
>>102999784
should be the same as a 7950X in theory
of course the V-cache driver could be doing some schizophrenic shit, it's AMD software after all
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>>102999749
i need at least 24 threads, preferably 32
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>>102999802
then buy a 9950X or wait for the 9950X3D
the 7950X3D was a failed experiment
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theres no way games really need 32gb of ram nowadays
are people only starting to recommend 32gb because zoomers have 0 attention span and have 20 different programs open at the same time?
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>>102996169
based k120 enjoyer
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>>102996362
kek
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>>102996255
mkg. no contest
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>>102999873
my sister running a laptop with only 4gb ram
i told her get another 8gb (sodimm ddr4) for her laptop is dirt cheap and she tells me she didn't felt any different running 4gb
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>>102999873
honestly you might as well go 64gb. I'm not even a big gamer. There are things you can do on computer that require handling huge files.
The biggest revolution in computing right now is AI and offloading LLM's to system RAM is important for that.
If games are your only priority, the best bet is actually a Playstation
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>>102999810
>>102999784
>>102999799
7700X 1% lows are significantly higher than 7900X and 7950X, while avg fps is virtually identical.
theres def something going on where multi ccd has worse/less consistent gaming performance than single ccd, regardless of vcache
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>>102999896
>If games are your only priority, the best bet is actually a Playstation
lel
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>>102999904
have fun playing DOTA 2 when GTA 6 drops in less than a year dude
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>>102999896
>If games are your only priority, the best bet is actually a Playstation
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>>102999896
>FPS's w a gamepad
disgusting
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>>102999920
Actually I will, dota and CS are timeless
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>>102999216
MLID
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>>102999935
sure. you can easily play both of those on a ryzen 1600 and 8gb ram with a 1060 and you shouldn't be spending 2000 dollars on a cutting edge PC if that's what you want
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>>102999898
nah
this is the unpatched 9950X btw
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>>102999810
you can see the logic of trying though
16 cores at 5ghz would have killed multi threaded performance even if they both had v-cache.
so instead it was 8 cores that clocked at 5ghz for games and 8 that clocked to 5.7ghz
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>>102999994
>1080p
huh

>recommend a cpu*
>recommend a gpu**
>recommend a monitor***

*for 1080p
**for RT, 1440 upscaled to "4k"
***5k amoled, everything below is trash

Are gamers really that stupid?
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>>102995547
>Montech Air 100
this comes with 4 fans preinstalled at $70
is it safe to assume these fans are really shit, and should be replaced?
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>>102995547
>comically large fan
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>>102997552
?
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>>103000012
>16 cores at 5ghz would have killed multi threaded performance even if they both had v-cache
a compile job or video render taking 11min instead of 10min isn't really a big deal, it still provides a huge benefit over the 8 core part if you need it
a game running at 100 FPS instead of 140 FPS is immediately noticeable and i would be pretty pissed off if the $400 chip was beating my $700 chip with twice the cores
>you can see the logic of trying though
no, frankly i don't
intel really tried with E-cores, they built the thread director into the hardware and made sure patches were available on day one for optimal performance, even if it doesn't always work it's good enough for the average consumer
all AMD does is turn off half the cores if xbox game bar detects a game
the 7950X3D was a lazy cash grab
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Is the new nvidia app worth installing?
I miss AMD's Instant Replay and GFE is pure fucking AIDS
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>>102999920
NTA but I’ll just play other games until the PC port comes 1-2 years later with better graphics, better frame rates, mods, and will also be cheaper. There are plenty of other games for me to play while I wait for the uncompromised experience. Feel free to go buy your little plastic toy though so you can play GTA6 day 1 with blurry upscaled from 1080p graphics, 30 FPS, and no mods. Sounds like a great time for a child.
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>>102999954
Or he can wait 1-2 years for the PC port and enjoy it just fine because he’s not a low time horizon brown person like you.
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>want to wait for 9800x3d
>feel like it's going to be sniped by scalpers instantly since the 7800x3d is so good and the price is going to skyrocket and the 7800x3d price won't move down at all
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>>103000033
The average PC gamer is no smarter than the average console gamer. Most PC gamers have no idea how any of their parts or software works in even a basic capacity. My brother is 11 years younger than me and has no idea how to install a single piece of computer hardware despite gaming on his PC every single day. He has no conception of upgrades, resolution or graphics settings, troubleshooting, or literally anything besides “click desktop icon to play games”. He is 22 years old. He uses his gaming PC like a game console and he refuses to learn literally anything about his computer when I have tried. Gen Z and Gen A are kind of fucked. They don’t seem to have any desire to learn new skills or even acquire useful knowledge. It’s sad and I worry about my young siblings daily. My sister is in highschool and struggles with reading and spelling still.
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>>103000000
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>>103000099
my computer completely mogs the PS5 pro
but I'm smart enough to recognize that if all you want to do is play video games, a console is a smarter buy. My system cost me 3400 dollars
I stand by that. PC's are not good value for "gamers" if your only goal is to play video games a console is way cheaper and does just fine
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>>103000138
Your family is just fucking retarded, it happens.
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>>103000175
if you only want to play console AAA slop maybe
I like to play real games and most real games can run on a decade old laptop anyway
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>$300-400, USA
>looking for new mobo, cpu cooler, and mITX case.
looking to downsize my current rig into a mini itx build, the smaller the better but i'm open to recommendations for cases of varying sizes.
currently using a msi b450m pro which is mATX size, there's the b450i which is a bit smaller

i won't really be replacing my cpu or gpu at this time (Ryzen 5 2600) (1660 super) so the case and new mobo should be compatible with those. doesn't need anything crazy, i have a separate NAS so just a couple SSDs and maybe 2x 3.5 hdd at most are needed for this new case.
or maybe you have a case and cpu cooler recommendation that can accompany my current mobo?
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>>103000180
>real games can run on a decade old laptop anyway
exactly. this is why spending thousands a PC for "gaming" is retarded as hell
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>>103000179
nah, gen z and alpha are definitely more fucked up than millenials, it has to do with a multitude of things, but technology, the failure of the school system, and millennials that got pregnant young and adopted soft parenting and ipad parenting are the biggest reasons.

i remember back in school if you failed, you got held back. Now kids fail and are still pushed forward. It makes no sense.
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Are OLEDs really worth it. Why aren't there any in 1080p. I won't have the refresh rate I want with 1440p unless I get a 4090 or some shit
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>>103000000
those digits... installing firefox on my phone right now
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>>103000175
No it doesn’t. Games look like shit on consoles. Maybe it’s because I’ve been playing on top of the line PCs for a decade now but the difference between the two is completely night and day. I can’t stand playing console games anymore because of how awful they look and run. It’s not “good enough” unless your frame of reference is limited and therefore your standards are lower. I also don’t see a point in “value builds” as you are essentially just building a more expensive game console with a bit more utility and backwards compatibility. I think if you’re on a tight budget you might as well just buy a Series S and save your money for a better experience later. Budget builds are just consoles with extra steps, extra costs, and an equally compromised experience. If you use your PC for more than gaming and basic tasks then obviously none of this applies. Budget builds are glorified game consoles and game consoles are dogshit devices.
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window glasses in front of front panel fans was the absolute gayest and dumbest trend and i'm so glad it's gone
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>>103000211
99% of OLED's are rebranded TV's, some of them even still have the smart tv OS

the only proper desktop OLED so far is the alienware one
it'll be a while yet before 1080p desktop monitors at a reasonable price
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>>103000249
the only proper OLED is the one that lasts a decade of use without burn in
so none
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Windows Aero needs to come back now that we have strong enough GPUs for it
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>>103000265
literally use a screensaver
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>>103000269
but then the poor execs can't sketch out the design in excel
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>>103000179
Eh, maybe but I don’t think so. I’ve seen them selectively show a lot of intelligence and critical thinking but only when they HAVE TO. It’s like they want to just turn their brains off unless absolutely necessary. Not sure exactly what has caused this but I know my parents are pretty abusive so I’m sure that has something to do with it?
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>>103000211
You will never be an esports star no matter how high your refresh is.
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>>103000265
>turn off monitor when not using it
>avoid burn in
WOW that was so hard
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>>103000075
depends on how much you really enjoy the windows xp control panel
yes fucking install it
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I regret buying a 7600X.
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>>103000296
frosted transparency is sexy though.
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>>103000117
All AMD has to do is make sure it's not a paper launch and they will win the holiday season
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>>103000349
Elaborate
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>>103000453
I had a chance to build a new PC and give my previous one to my brother (5700X), but I don't feel any improvement, because the 5700X build was also really good. I should have gone for something cheaper, like a 12400F, because that's also capable of maxing out my RTX 3060 Ti and keep the change instead. I'm more future proof now for sure, but for what. I don't even play any modern games, only some Battlefield, CoD and some gacha games, that run flawlessly on my old build. Imagine how much beer I could have bought instead...
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>>103000520
the 5700X is better than a 12400F
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Thinking of getting a 7900 XT for 1440p gaymin. Any particular brands I should go for or avoid? First time I'd be buying parts.
I've heard good things about XFX and Sapphire.
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>>103000620
Powercolor hellhound is really good this time around
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>7900 for 1440p
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>>103000620
Powercolor Hellhound should be the best variant due to good cooling.
XFX and Sapphire are still good but Sapphire's Nitro+ is a factory OC and can run really hot if you don't have good cooling.
Dunno if XFX has a QICK variant of the 7900xt but if they do, avoid that one.
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>>103000617
It is, not by much though, but the 12400F is much more cheaper in my country (about 30-40%). For a 3060 Ti I think it was already an overkill and I don't see myself buying a new GPU in he near future, so the whole new build felt like a waste of money.
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>>103000636
I'll see if I can find one here at a comparable price, thanks anon.
>>103000649
You got something you'd recommend instead? I don't plan on upgrading for probably 5+ years once I finally get around to building a computer.
>>103000664
>>103000664
>Sapphire's Nitro+ is a factory OC and can run really hot if you don't have good cooling.
That's one of the two I was eyeing, I'll settle for XTX if I can't get a Powercolor one then, thank you anon.
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>>103000691
XFX, fuck
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>>103000691
there is no future proofing with these sorts of things
if you want it to last a bit longer focus on extra vram since that'll definitely go up soon
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>>103000665
if you want to go full alcoholic mode, you could always sell the 7600X + board + ram and buy a 4500, cheapest B550 and 16gb of 3200 CL16.
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>>103000691
>You got something you'd recommend instead?
nta but 7700 XT should be enough for 1440p, assuming you're simply going for 60 fps. If you're going for triple digit fps, try finding a 7900 GRE. Should be good enough as well.
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>>103000752
never in my life have I seen someone try to go 1440p60fps
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>>103000734
I won't mess with the selling, just gonna use it, because it's a great config, but now I'll have to look for a more powerful card to take advantage of the 7600X. Too bad a matching GPUs are still very pricey, but maybe there will be some good deals around Christmas.
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Are there any news or rumours about the 5700x3D going out of production soon?

I know the 5800x3D is gone and I should buy the 5700 to keep my system running for another 3 years but I don't want to do it just yet.
Can I wait for Christmas or is it going to disappear like the 5800?
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>>103000725
Damn, is the vram situation that bad? How much should I be looking for? The cards I've been considering have 20GB, a couple hundred bucks more for an XTX card would get me 24GB but that hardly seems worth the extra money.
>>103000752
I was hoping for 140+ fps desu. My current computer is ancient so I'd like to build something that gets me a big leap in performance.
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>>103000821
20 seems fine
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I sent my mobo out for warranty rma repair and now it has arrived. In the mean time i got a different mobo to use and I dont' want to swap them out.
My issue is that I only have my custom loop cooler for my cpu and I would like to just drop my cpu into the board to test it and then sell the board if it works right.

is there anything I can use to cool the cpu long enough to boot into windows a couple times to test the board ?

The only spare heatsink / fan i have is for an intel i3-6100.

pic related
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>>103000827
forgot to add i have a ryzen cpu
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>>103000827
Try finding a wraith cooler around your area for 5$ or less
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>>103000827
did the new mobo come back in a sealed box / brand new?

it's probably easier to sell it as brand new sealed box than an opened + tested mobo.
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>>103000821
>I was hoping for 140+ fps desu.
retarded, honestly
AFMF gives you framegen in all games anyway
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>>103000821
>Damn, is the vram situation that bad? How much should I be looking for?
12 is the minimum, 16 is the recommended, higher if you wanna play unoptimized AAA games at launch.
>I was hoping for 140+ fps
Then 7900 xt is fair game. GRE is still worth considering if you're ok with toning down some settings or utilize FSR.
Also, pair it with an x3d cpu
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>>103000840
I sent it in on warranty and they claimed it was "repaired" so I need to test it to see if it works.

I just realized you can pop the plastic fan assembly off of this intel cpu cooler so maybe It could work now and i'll just get a fan to blow over it.....

i'm too lazy to disassemble my current pc build just to test a motherboard for 5 min
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>>102999994
did you even read whati said
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>>103000825
>>103000852
Found a Powercolor Hellhound card with 20GB and it's cheaper than the XFX one I was looking at, so I think I'm settling for that one. Thanks for the help lads.
>Also, pair it with an x3d cpu
That's the plan. I won't be ordering parts until maybe the start of December, so hopefully the new ones will be out and available here by then (and worth the price). If not, I'll get a 7800X3D.
>>103000841
I got a 144hz monitor for cheap so I'd like to take advantage of that. Maybe not 140+ in every game but at least triple digits.
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>>103000919
Idk man if you’re not ordering until December you might as well wait another month to see what the 5000 series and RDNA4 are bringing
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>>103000916
i did
do i need to crop it out for you?
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>>103000827
yeah sure just plug in the fan header, apply paste and hold the cooler on top.
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>>103000954
I suppose I could wait yeah, I could get the rest of the parts first and keep using my current card until then. I'm not so sure the 5000 series won't be overpriced as hell though. As for the new AMD cards, I heard they weren't going to compete at the higher end this gen, is that not the case? Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Is there any reason for me switch to 1440p if I game at 4k?
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>>103001075
Higher framerates.
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>>103000821
>>103000821
>>103000919
The trick with buying xtx cards is to look on the second hand market like ebay. Got my xfx card for 700€, shipping included.
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>>103001038
The 5000 series will be overpriced. RDNA4 is rumored to top out at 7900XT raster and 4080 RT at around $500 USD. Worst case scenario you wait for reviews and then buy the same card anyway and probably for cheaper.
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>bought a sata ssd to swap out old ass HDD laptop bootdrive
>hook it up via usb enclosure that i butchered from an external harddrive
>search internet for "how to install windows on new drive"
>internet everywhere "oh no no you must own a fucking pendrive to install windows"
this is me for past few days

until i pieced together these two steps
>use rufus to install windows to go onto the blank ssd
https://www.isumsoft.com/computer-tweaks/create-windows-to-go-usb-drive-with-rufus.html
>use hasleo wintousb to convert the windows to go installation into an internal one
https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/faq/en-US/How-to-convert-Windows-To-Go-To-Internal-Disk.html
swap in the ssd, and it booted the fuck up into windows, directly, not into another installation media shit

how come i can't find anybody in the internet linking these 2 steps together
like if i make a "how to make new ssd into windows boot drive just by plugging it in" i'd probably get 100k views from it
it's so straight forward
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>finally live in a place with a microcenter
>paycheck to paycheck and can't do shit
>have to move away
>back to having money and no microcenter
where else can i get deals and cheap pc parts? fuck paying jewegg and jewazon prices
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>>103001092
Is it worth it though?
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>>103001252
if you have enough money take a small trip back?
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Can you use an M.2 SSD with a B+M key in an M key slot? SATA if it matters, not NVMe.
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>>103001445
B+M means it will physically fit in either slot, but if it's SATA it won't work in a modern motherboard. You can get a chink PCIe adapter card for cheap.
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when was the last time a cpu line release was so bad that the previous gen cpu's skyrocketed in price?
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>>103001644
Zen5? 11th gen too
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>>103001644
11th gen, but in that case people still bought it even though there was zero uplift unlike with Zen 5.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp6lVji3qhE
245K bros...
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>>103001692
>AMDunboxed
ZZZ
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>>103001697
>gAMDers nexus
>AMDunboxed
>TechpoweredbyAMDup
>level1AMDtech
>getskitfromAMDguru
>DerAMDuer
>AMDcomputerbase
>AMDPCWorld
>AMD Is Dead
>AMDTV
>AMDGaminginHD
>I'm an AMD
>Not an Intel Fan
>AMDTwoCents
>AMD Hardcore Overclocking
>AMD3D
>AMD Owens
>AMDBreviews
>AMDTeks
>AMD's Hardware
>AMD Tech Tips
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>>103001706
all paid for by amd, userbenchmark is the only reliable source of information sar :)
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Thinking about pulling the trigger on the
MSI MAG 321UPX QD-OLED for 1050 eur,
is burn in still a problem?
is it ok to play games for long periods of time with ui elements like factorio?
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That's it, I'm done with AMD and it's shilling. I'm going Intel next time for sure!
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>>103001731
get a 1440p oled instead
the samsung g8 is seeing <700€ sales
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So when is Adamantine coming to desktop to unfuck intel's chiplet abortion?
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>>103001759
nova lake IIRC
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>>102995567
no refunds
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>>103001759
it was cancelled
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>>103001731
I have a PG27AQDM, burn-in is an extreme meme, you need to use your monitor on max brightness for countless hours to that to happen. I use mine on 40% brightness on desktop and 100% in games or HDR.
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>>103001781
no proofs
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Is the cultist PSU tier list still good? It hasn't been updated in over a year
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>>103001817
just do the usual of buying "good brand + high price atx3.0" and you're good to go
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>>103001817
hardwarebusters
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>>103001812
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0ctlkF-oUEk
>MLID
MLID was the one who leaked Adamantine.
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>>103001835
>>103001836
I guess that makes sense, harwarebuster is actually recommending what I was eyeing at, guess that settles it. Thanks anons
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>>102997552
>nvidia
classic
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>>103001817
Fairly sure if they swapped parts in a higher tier, the list would get updated
cultist still does reviews but seems to not be updating just the list
I still use it but I keep in mind some newer models are also good if I see them pop up in the low to high price sorting
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>>103001913
So is that a recommendation for the 7800XT on Linux specifically or am I going to find myself missing out on important features Nvidia cards have? Do you have any experience with either?
It really seems you're getting screwed no matter what you buy, I would just like to keep that to a minimum.
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>>103001564
>B+M means it will physically fit in either slot
Cool!
>but if it's SATA it won't work in a modern motherboard
Yeah, but the motherboard isn't modern in my case.
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I'm hoping 9800X3D will be a disappointment so I can get one for a non-outrageous price.
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>>103002258
It will already be better than the 7800X3D by actually being in stock for however long it lasts.
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>>102995567
That groddy looking forehead skin really makes it obvious.
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>>103002258
intel has literally zero competition until like late 2025 and 7800x3d is oos, so good luck
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>>103002258
leaks are saying 8% better gaming perf over the 7800x3d which is borderline disappointing
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https://www.tweaktown.com/news/101349/check-out-amds-new-ryzen-7-9800x3d-get-delidded-next-gen-3d-cache-shown-off/index.html
>Wccftech have delidded AMD's new Ryzen 7 9800X3D processor, which once delidded "will look like a standard Ryzen 9000 chip with a single CCD and IO die". There are multiple power caps on the outskirts, and the CCD and IOS are positioned in the same manner as the Ryzen 9000 series CPUs based on the Zen 5 core architecture, but Wccftech teases "there's one big change that's evident by looking at the CCD".

>Hassan writes that on previous generations of 3D V-Cache like the Ryzen 5000X3D and Ryzen 7000X3D processors, "you can see traces of the 3D V-Cache stack when light is reflected at a certain angle". But, that "is not the cases with the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, which has no such traces at the top of the CCD. This is because the Ryzen 9000X3D CPUs employ the 3D V-Cache stack underneath the Zen 5 CCD and that's the next-generation technology that is expected to debut with the new 3D V-Cache chips".
Already delidded and confirms the VCache is buried at the bottom. No double-sided VCache sandwich as some were hoping.

>>103002311
>leaks are saying 8% better gaming perf over the 7800x3d which is borderline disappointing
Within expectations for a Zen 5% SKU. I think the real story will be the lack of a MT productivity penalty compared to previous X3D chips making it a better all-purpose consumer chip like the 14700K (minus the heat/power draw).
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AMD -> red -> red is hot -> AMD runs hot
Intel -> blue -> blue is cool -> Intel runs cool
Like pottery.
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>>103002469
>red is hot
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>>103002517
>red pepper
>hot
>fire flame
>very hot
>AMD
>???
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>>103002544
>red ferrari
>fast
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Do all motherboards support HMB for NVMe drives?
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>>103002555
>fast car
>flaming tires
>flame hot
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>>103002560
Basically yes. I'd be a little wary if the board predates the HMB spec, i.e. pre-2014, but apparently the NVMe revisions are all done on the SSD side so even those might be fine.
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>>103002595
It's a X470 board so it's probably fine then. Thanks, anon.
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Can power limits be adjusted on B760 motherboards?
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lol
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>>103002672
well the the 9 series cpus all launched overpriced and quickly came down

amd does this shit overpriced msrp -> rapid discounts shit for years now for some reason, I dont get it
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Is this real?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/s/rNOkgBjCYM
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>>103002672
so its going to be $499 USD
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>>103002311
Not when overclocked! Unlike the 5800/7800X3D the 9800X3D will be overclockable & easier to cool and therefore dominate even in gaymin. But who still gayms in resolutions low enough to be relevant? What we really wanted was more performance from an X3D in productive applications and the 9800X3D will be 20-30% faster in these than it's precursor. Not too shabby that is.

This comes at a price oc:
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-has-been-listed-by-first-retailers-in-europe
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>>102999728
>it was intended for the 1600X
7700x here, rpcs3 scheduler is always slightly better, about 5% or so. Also your pic is nonsense
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>>102999684
Nobody sane is using troonix lil buddy.
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>>103002672
that's europrices. it's always more expensive here
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>>103002703
its the usual
>THE DIP IS REAL
intel shillery
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>>103002703
>advertising platform says
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>>103002397
9800x3d is 26% better than 7800x3d
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>>103001731
> MSI MAG 321UPX QD-OLED
At least it's not curved. I will look into it (no pun intended).
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>>103002860
>>103002860
>>103002860
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>>103002820
> 26% better
In benchmarks and at stock clocks. Will be interesting to see it perfom IRL apps and overclocked under water.
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>>103001731
ALL FUCKING OLEDS WILL GET BURN-IN AT SOME POINT YOU STUPID MONKEYS!
Stop asking this retarded question.
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>>103002820
only if you play cinebench lmao
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>>102998569
The problem isn't the IHS dumbass, it's the heat density of the actual chip.
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>>103002878
> AT SOME POINT
You will die. You seem to not know this yet.
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>>103002897
Actually the IHS is part of the problem.
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>>103002904
I know death will come, retard.
Just like burn-in will come for all OLED panels.
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>>103002889
I did! For longer even than many shitty gaymes, kek
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>>103002905
As long as chip designers make the smallest client dies, the actual silicon is going to be the problem.
IHS is only "part of the problem" if companies like AMD want to sacrifice optimal heat transfer for existing cooler compatibility.
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>>103002915
When? In my lifetime? I will probably upgrade to an 8K display long before. OLED Burn-in is a meme. A theoretical problem exaggerated by poorfags.
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>>103002972
>When? In my lifetime?
In less than 5 years it will become noticeable.
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>>103002704
yeah I saw some other page saying certain stores started listing between 470 & 530 bald eagles , so I think 500 is a very good call
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>>102999577
Any game isn't going to have more than 8 cores of dependencies any game that scales to more than 8 is
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>>103003338
...using it for shit like physics which doesn't care. Fuck. Dependencies isn't just for games you know
>said you don't even own a ryzen CPU, so how would you know?
Hardware interests me
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>>103002672
still cheap, next intel that even has a chance to challenge it is at least two years away.



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