remember that 50xx gpus are announced at CES so building a pc right now can be silly.

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>be me
>have an i9-11900k with 128gb ddr4 at 3600mhz
>multibox 34 accounts on eve online
>it's not a flawless experience by any means but i'll tough it out until better hardware comes around until it becomes unbearable
>CCP releases dog shit patch #859320
>now using 4-6gb of ram per client, getting clients crashing when i undock from a Fortizar, cpu pegged, ram pegged, everything pegged
>welp, i guess now is the time
>scrape together $3500 for a new build
>start researching parts
>BTW you can have 128 or even 196gb of ddr5 if you accept THIS CPU THATS OVER TWICE AS FAST AS YOUR CURRENT CPU is going to have THE SAME SPEED MEMORY (3600) at WORSE TIMINGS BTW meaning WORSE LATENCY AND LOWER BANDWIDTH THAN YOUR CURRENT CPU GETS ON DDR BTW IT DEGRADES CPU PERFORMANCE BTW BECAUSE FCLK AND STUFF HOLY STARVATION BATMAN
>or you can have LESS memory (96gb) than you have now IN YOUR 5 YEAR OLD BUILD BTW and not have degraded cpu performance
>...Oh, or you can buy this threadripper chip and have all the memory you could need without compromising in speeds BUT IF YOU WANT TO FIRE UP STELLARIS OR SOMETHING IT'S 23% WORSE THAN LAST GENERATION'S MAINSTREAM 8-CORES BTW BTW
>also you'll need to double your budget to $7k

Apparently I can't improve or even MATCH the specs of my current aging rig without making huge compromises which weren't necessary to make 4-5 years ago.

My excitement is just...gone. DDR5 is so bad it makes me sad. How did this happen? Does Asia have DEI now? Did they start hiring Indians to work at Micron/Samsung R&D or something? I need to wait a few more years for tech to get better really but I can't because my current pc is struggling. I've built 4 pcs for myself since my adult life began and this is the first time I haven't enjoyed picking out parts.

I hope you all enjoy your 9800x3d builds. It must be nice to be someone who isn't so mentally ill they need to dick-swing 34 accounts on a 20 year old game.

>>103046423
get a 13900K/14900K and keep your RAM
>Did they start hiring Indians to work at Micron/Samsung R&D or something
micron DDR5 is so bad that they killed the ballistix brand after 20 years
you aren't missing out on much

>>103046423
>multibox 34 accounts on eve online
It's shit like this that makes me hate a game I kinda liked

>>103046374
does it look like it would be worth the upgrade from the 7800x3d to the new 9800x3d?
I'm planning on getting the 5090 in January, and i already have the 7800X3D

>>103046499
not rly
like in cp you may get 1% increase in fps at 1080p

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>>103046480
i just might fucking have to. I've been strongly considering this. I'm scared of my cpu frying itself, though. Recommended VID offsets and clock ceilings for cores/ring bus to keep myself in a safe range? I'm no stranger to tuning on Intel's platform I'll do whatever's necessary to keep the ring from oxidizing.... 5.5ghz max should be fine right?

>>103046502
what about 4k?

>>103046499
some preliminary benchmarks are saying that the 9000X3D series will have better (massive compared to previous gen) productivity performance if you're into anything like that but otherwise I'd remain on the 7800X3D.

>>103046508
i only have experience with tuning on AMD platforms lmao so i'm not the best person to ask
i'm sure you can get it in a safe range without too much trouble, or trust that intel has fixed the problem with microcode and tough it out with the extended warranty

>>103046511
9800x3d gives you same perf as a 5600x in most games at 4k

So we’ve reached the point where AMD cpu improvements each gen are extremely marginal, but people are still buying them because the competition is in a trash fire?

>>103046518
My understanding is the problem is inherent to the sheer clocks they have pushed these chips to. How this passed q/a I just don't know, but no bios update is going to fix it unless it dials back the performance. Alder Lake was much lower clocked and was already pushing the ring to its limit. I'll check out the extended warranty though.

>>103046532
people buy previous last 2 gen amd products in 5700x3d or 7000 series cpus and skip 9000 or anything intel

so where does x3d go from here
having cache on both sides of the ccd?

>>103046560
bigger ccd = more l3 cache fits under it

>>103046540
>My understanding is the problem is inherent to the sheer clocks they have pushed these chips to
>no bios update is going to fix it unless it dials back the performance
it's complicated, the rate of degradation is a function of voltage, current AND temperature
if you have high voltage and low current (like you would in a single-core scenario) it should not be harmful to the silicon, but this requires a careful and well-designed system to ensure that you don't get all of these three at the same time
i'm pretty sure your 11900K already boosts to 1.4-1.5 V out of the box, so this hasn't always been a problem for intel

>>103046530
no it doesn't

>>103046374
4080S at 20% discount or wait for new gen? People are saying NVIDIA will try discounting all their 40 series GPUs to get rid of the stock and then discontinuing it. I might try getting a 4070ti Super on discount if it happens.

Brehs, is there something better than VIEWSONIC VX2758A-2K-PRO-3 for around 250 bux range? Not an American btw.

>>103046518
>>103046540
The problem is a certain part of the core was more sensitive to voltage, that being the clock tree circuit.

Given that Intel has supposably found the bad part of the silicon responsible and that during this entire endeavor Intel has forced motherboard vendors to fix their shit in regard to AC/DC loadline. I have pretty decent trust in my 14900K.

It really was a culmination of issues that lead for 13th and 14th gen having issues and it took a while to fix because there was so much going on with motherboards, and the fact you're dealing with an aging problem which requires you to validate fixes with aging which takes time.

>>103046606
>that being the clock tree circuit
you're misunderstanding what they said, there are many "clock tree circuits" in the processor
it could be the ring bus, it could be the AVX data path, it could be the instruction decoders, etc
>Intel has forced motherboard vendors to fix their shit in regard to AC/DC loadline
this always seemed retarded to me, intel puts too much trust in motherboard vendors
i'm pretty sure AMD just determines that shit at boot, if you use a higher loadline the processor actually gets slower as the boost system becomes more "careful" to avoid degradation

but yeah i trust them to at least have pushed the problem further back until the new extended warranties run out
more reports of degrading processors is not what intel needs right now

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>>103046581
its kinda meaningless to invest a lot in a cpu for 4k

> i3 - 530
> gtx 320
> 4gb ddr3 RAM
> 250gb ssd
> 60hz monitor
> some Chinese mouse from temu for $3

Let me guess, you need more?

sneed.

>>103046540
Clocks are only one factor. The other is binning. As it is, good 14900k/13900ks' need less than 1.3v for 5.6ghz while bad ones can require upwards of 1.4v for the same clockspeed

>>103046630
your claim was
>9800x3d gives you same perf as a 5600x in most games at 4k
your own chart proves you wrong.

>>103046654
5% difference is barely worth upgrading for over you actual autist.

That said, 4k really is just a meme resolution, it's been unsustainable since its inception and will remain like that as we're so close to the top end of chip upgradability, you get much better value from 1440p.

>>103046654
you know how averages work
some game gives you bigger boost with new gen tech or x3d, then others dont

>>103046631
Yes, how long does that pos take to compile llvm? Can it support two qhd monitors at a decent refresh rate?

>>103046631
This is shit even by the year of release's standards.

>>103046667
4k at what screen size matters. 4k at 24" is useless. 4k at 27" might still be. 4k at tv size, IDK what TV sizes are, like 50"? Then, it actually matters.

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>>103046698
>tv
>50"
that's minimum nowadays. 70" is common.

>>103046627
It specifically mentions the circuit in the core, each core has one. One of the symptoms of a bad CPU is Linux of all things disabling the affected core. Level1techs mentioned this and it makes sense, at least to me.
>this always seemed retarded to me, intel puts too much trust in motherboard vendors
I wouldn't say it's trust but it's more they weren't strict because even if the CPU receives the wrong voltage because the programmed AC/DC load line isn't correct for actual electrical characteristics of the vcore power plane, there should still be enough margin for the silicon to handle it.

>>103046591
just wait.

>>103046706
>Intel® has localized the Vmin Shift Instability issue to a clock tree circuit within the IA core which is particularly vulnerable to reliability aging under elevated voltage and temperature
notice the use of "a" clock tree circuit
it doesn't really matter, but the point is that intel didn't give any details on how the fix actually works
>there should still be enough margin for the silicon to handle it
there's no such things as margins when you're boosting to 6.2 GHz at 1.55 V
everything needs to come together perfectly for the processor to survive long-term

What order should I install an AIO? Rad into case first, then pump onto cpu, or pump onto cpu, then install motherboard and finally radiator?

>>103046705
What the fuck is going on with TVs? Borderless, 4k, 120hz, qled. Its so cheap. Are there 27 inch tcl tvs that I can use a monitors?

>>103046728
Not all of them are super high quality but the biggest thing is they just sell a hell of a lot more TVs than monitors.
For every one nerd with a desktop monitor, there are ten boomers each with one or multiple TVs

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stop being out of stock you niggerboard

>>103046751
Haha, I thought qled was oled, apparently not. 27" oled monitors are like 1000 bux where I live.

>>103046768
Get it from other retailer or get the taichi lite anon.

>>103046532
Are people buying 9000 series? Feels like nobody cares about this and is waiting to see if the next gen still uses am5.

>>103046727
1. put mb into case
2. stick cpu onto aio
3. push cpu into mb
4. throw aio into case
5. turn pc on
6. WOW!

Why is there no medium/small form factor case that supports 420mm radiators, the majority of these support 360 just fine. The only one I’ve found was the tower 300, but that fucks with temps on certain gpus because of the orientation

>>103046823
>2. stick cpu onto aio
>3. push cpu into mb
am I being trolled?

>>103046872
>am I being trolled?
>4chins
No way anon.

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Alright after deliberating with myself for another hour I've decided I'm biting the bullet and going for a 14900k build. There's literally only one kit of 192gb so that was a simple choice. R8 it (anything im missing I'm re-using from my current build, like the gpu and psu)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NQKFJy
Comes in $1700 under budget which is cool. I may just keep that aside and upgrade my 3060 when something worth buying comes out on Nvidia Blackwell next year but to be honest GPU is simply the least important component for multiboxing in EVE. There's a guy who gets by running more accounts than me on a GTX 1070. I'll mostly be upgrading the GPU for generating stable diffusion coomshit and when i occassionally fire up a different game so it's low priority compared to getting more cores and ram over my current 11900k+128gb.

I don't like having to buy 14th gen, but it truly seems like my best option, unless someone out there can convince me a 9950x would be better in spite of being throttled by running that kit way slower, a nerfed fclk, and maybe some other performance weirdness in my use case related to multi-ccd since I will literally be saturating all 16 cores with video games.

Buying soon..

>>103046502
I really can't handle anymore cp.

>>103046886
this is not what i meant when i said get a 14900K
>in spite of being throttled by running that kit way slower
it's gonna run slower on intel too
arrow lake could maybe handle 192GB at 5600, but please don't buy arrow lake
>a nerfed fclk
FCLK is not synced with memory speed on AM5
>maybe some other performance weirdness in my use case related to multi-ccd since I will literally be saturating all 16 cores with video games
having 16 cores on 2 CCDs is better than having 8 real cores and 16 fake cores

what i said was keep your freaking RAM, DDR4-3600 runs faster in games than DDR5-5600 on intel (comes down to platform quirks, it's better on AMD, but you're not gonna get that speed in any case)
do you really need the extra 64 GB?

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>>103046423
Fren, please reconsider the life choices that led you to this point.
I have a lot of sympathy for your situation, I really do. Back around ~2007 to mid-2010s, I used to read about happenings in Eve quite a bit. Capital ship fleets blowing up, GHSC heists, Goons vs BoB, Russians, Tortuga, the north falling, etc.
There was this maxim, "Never fly what you can't afford to lose." I think applying it to your physical hardware, too, makes a lot of sense.
Like, just try enjoying the game. Correct me if I'm wrong, but running server workloads to multi-box 34 accounts, on your own dime, without getting paid, doesn't seem particularly sane, productive, or healthy.

>>103046886
>14900k build
Good luck buying ewaste anon. I'd suggest a 9950x like this goytuber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtMIppL9UC4&t=4s

>>103046886
The goytuber is running DDR5-6000, gigabyte x670 aorus master, 9950x.

>>103046783
Taichi lite doesn't have 5 M2 slots

>>103046502
HHHAAAAAAAAAANNKK

>>103046930
I need more ram than 128gb so fuck keeping my ram
People are saying this kit worked fine with xmp on their 14900k
>need the extra 64gb
Sadly yes
>>103046944
It's my life
>>103046949
I might consider a 16 core zen 5 build but it's harder to get this much ram working on it above the lowest jedec spec...

>>103046991
If you are woried so much about ram, why are you buying 5200 cl 38? Anyways, consider 9950x, there are people who have got it working. On x870 boards, I think there are ever 4 stick QVLs.

>>103046991
>People are saying this kit worked fine with xmp on their 14900k
it could work fine with XMP on AMD too, both platforms only guarantee DDR5-3600 with 4 DIMMs, this is what you're referring to
it depends a LOT more on the board than the CPU
>it's harder to get this much ram working on it above the lowest jedec spec
it's not, the zen and raptor lake memory controllers are equally terrible
only arrow lake has a good DDR5 memory controller but it suffers from a host of other issues

>>103046654
Just a 5600X coper, but not completely wrong. I remember the 7800X3D benchmarks showed that higher resolutions were much more GPU bound. The 3D cache helped but not significantly much. At 1080p though the 3D cache made a huge difference even with a 4090.

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>>103047005
it's the only 192gb kit in existence it's not like im flush with choice.
>there are people who have got it working.
Really? My multiboxing buddy couldn't even get 192gb to run at 3600 on his 7950x on asus but i know that's an asus problem. Same damn io die as zen 4 just binned, I'd be shocked if it could handle 5200. I'm probably going to be around 4000-4400 and Ryzen is really memory sensitive compared to 14th gen, I could be wiping out my gains by running ram that slow and may as well have just gotten 14th gen which doesn't have any multi-die penalties.
>>103046944
>"Never fly what you can't afford to lose."
That's never changed, it's still a maxim. Few people seem to really follow it though. People get so asspained about losing ships it's amazing the amount of hatemail I get when I clobber them with an entire fleet of torp stealth bombers that's just my alts.

>>103047034
from an ASUS rep
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/yehpgb/comment/iu0l22v
>For 128GB configurations, the relative max speed is still similar as 12th gen but will not default to 4800MT. OC range is nominally in the range of 5000-5200MT
so even DDR5-5200 is really pushing the limits
get an expensive board and pray (or spend a lot of time to fine tune voltages and resistances)

>Ryzen is really memory sensitive compared to 14th gen
no, it's the opposite, you're still in the DDR4 ryzen 5000 mindset

when running DDR5-5200:
the memory controller on intel will run at 5200/4=1300 MHz
the memory controller on AMD will run at 5200/2=2600 MHz

by comparison, with a DDR4-3600 kit on intel, the memory controller will run at 3600/2=1800 MHz, which gives less latency in gaming than DDR5-5200

the FCLK is not synced to the memory clock on AM5 and you can push it as high as you want despite running at only DDR5-5200
i think AMD would be a better choice if you get one of those fancy expensive X870 boards

>>103047047
okay well fuck it then im waiting for 9950x3d since if it has dual 3d victim cache that's massive for me since im running 30 video games at once (really i need like 1gb of vcache but 128mb of it is a lot better than none which is what i'd get with a 9950x or 14900k... it's almost like the 9950x3d is made specifically for me and won't benefit normal games or productivity which isn't L3$ bound)
I just hope winblows doesn't try to do core parking because im "gaming", i absolutely need all 16 cores.

>>103047021
now imagine
some people dont even own a 4090

>>103047034
Memory controller has gotten better on zen 5. Get a really good motherboard. Also, get two ddr5-6000 48x2 kit and see it it works. Else return it. Try a physical store and try it out, microcenter if you are a mutt?

>>103047067
How is it better? It's just a binned Zen 4 iodie
Even through an electron microscope it's completely identical down to the last atom.

>>103047061
>I just hope winblows doesn't try to do core parking because im "gaming", i absolutely need all 16 cores.
avoid AMD's retarded V-cache driver and it should keep all cores enabled
>>103047067
>Memory controller has gotten better on zen 5
no
only the boards have gotten better which is all that matters on DDR5
>Also, get two ddr5-6000 48x2 kit and see it it works. Else return it
no
get a validated 4x DDR5-5200 kit and run an overnight memtest for peace of mind
you're already pushing the limits of the platform with this config and DDR5-5200 is not really terrible on AMD (see my previous post)

>>103047034
>People get so asspained about losing ships it's amazing the amount of hatemail I get when I clobber them with an entire fleet of torp stealth bombers that's just my alts.
Isn't that cheating?

>>103047067
nah, the IOD is identical. Buildzoid was already running the memory higher than on Raptor lake.
I think that X870 boards have better memory topology thats allowing the 8000+ speeds.

>>103047088
Only if you input broadcast but I do every client manually playing my keyboard as fast as a grandmaster pianist since I've been practicing this for years now.
Multiboxing is a literal art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-gt3RdTsBU
^
I've had a "1v1" against this dude once in pochven, 20 accounts vs 20. I lost but i nearly beat him. Guy is an example of a master. Not just press one button and have every character mirror it like in WoW. But that's an example of the level I'm close to.

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>>103046991
Welp, okay then.
Since you're memory limited, have you considered the upcoming 9950x3d? Due to hueg L3 cache, x3d chips tend to be less impacted by DRAM speeds than not just other Ryzens, but Intel CPUs too.

>>103047122
yes i have thought a lot about the 9950x3d, if it has dual cache it's literally pointless for normal gamers and people running productivity software but perfect for me. No idea if i trust that rumor though. I don't want it if it's like the 7950x3d. That's just an awkward mess processor again.

>>103047086
>>103047081
Buildzoid says zen5 goes to 8000+ on 8200, 8400 etc. But he says he can only get upto 8000 in zen4 in the best case,

for running esoteric memory configurations on AM5:
manually set VSOC to something in the range of 1.2-1.3 V, the new maximum allowed by AMD
(high VSOC benefits the memory controller, low VSOC benefits the infinity fabric)
try different cLDO_VDDP values in the range of 0.9-1.1 V
(lower is usually better but mobo manufacturers love to overvolt everything)
try both 1T GDM and 2T, sometimes GDM is more stable and sometimes 2T is more stable

if you hit a brick wall, you need to adjust the drive strengths and RTTs, this is going to take forever but is massively helpful for 2DPC configs and can save bad motherboards that have the auto values set wrong by the manufacturer
what you do is a binary search where you try low and high values until you find the most stable value
if you get 4 reboots and no POST that's a very good sign you went in the wrong direction
https://youtu.be/NtMIppL9UC4?t=555

>>103047189
memory ratios above 8000 are broken on zen 4
it's never possible to boot above 8000 no matter what sticks or board you have
it seems more like a firmware issue that AMD isn't going to bother fixing because it makes zen 5 more compelling for overclockers

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>>103046423

>>103047217
old server/workstation hardware is a cost effective solution maybe
but it's gonna be so dog shit for everything else

>>103046423
Retards will literally come into an amd thread just to complain about I tels current product lineup having issues after typing out a paragraph of their shitty pc and use case

>>103046374
I have a $1200 stipend from new job for office supplies, what's the best 32 inch 4k monitor for gaming and writing/reading code/small text- G8 odyssey? Is OLED a meme?

>>103047297
I'd be cautious about getting an OLED monitor for coding due to the burn-in.
Maybe you won't care about it because your job's paying for it.

>>103047297
Gigabyte M32Q
OLED Monitor is a meme. Get an OLED TV for gaming instead.

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Amd niggers explain this

>>103047315
Sorry meant to say Gigabyte M32U.

>>103047329
AMD doesn't give Israel a backdoor to blow up your PC from a phone call when you type something anti-semitic.

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Anybody know a good Vesa-mount monitor stand that's tall and can rotate 90degrees? Only needs to support a 24inch monitor.

>>103047329
Intelfags can't meme.

What justifies spending the extra money on a platinum PSU over gold?

bros why are SSDs so expensive still

>>103047383
restricting supply of NAND because SSDs were "too cheap" last year

>>103047377
Higher efficiency typically means better quality components. But really I wouldn't bother with those bleeding edge efficiencies unless you're trying to minmax the hell out of thermals in a sff build

>>103047329
$500 now is equivalent to $250 in 2018

>>103047419
actually its $400

seems like Ryzen's X3D processors are universally loved

>>103046886
> just 2TB storage
You obviously don't plan to do any serious work with your countless estrogen cores.

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>>103047426
I have another 1tb m2 and 4tb 870 Evo on my current build I would port over, I also have a 10gbit nas running 5x 18tb hdds don't step up to me again. The 2tb is just an os/game drive

>>103046768
> $365
It got slightly more expensive I see. Was initially to be had for 350. Way too cheap still for the value you get. Absolute best mobo for Ryz 9000 unless you really need 2xGPU for AI or whatever.

>>103046783
Taichi lite lacks so much that this board comes with it's unreal. Asrock will regret their stupid pricing.

>playing CoD casually and watching Farscape
>PC just shuts the fuck down
>turn PSU switch off and on
>RGB lights blink for one second and the motherboard power button shines a steady red which it always does, but then it fades away after two seconds
>I didn't trip my mains, I tested on different wall sockets, used different surge protectors to isolate the issue, but it's the same
>no matter what, my PC won't hold power steadily as it blinks out one second after I flip my PSU switch on and off
>however, if I flip the switch on and off constantly I don't get the same level of blinking power, just a very faint red on the motherboard power button that fades off in like half a second
So I'm getting power in my PC for one second, nothing is fried, and yet it won't start. I'm guessing the PSU has somehow gone bad? Or can it be a random earthing issue that decided to manifest itself in my room?

>>103047425
Nope

>>103047487
Did you say GG EZ over voice chat?

>>103047487
your psu is fried. make model year?

>>103047425
They aren't worshipped enough for the Gay Men Gods they are.

I know that 12vhpwr 90 degree adapters should be avoided, but what about 90 degree cables? My PSU comes with one

>>103046374
>RAM
>Workstation/high end: consider 2x48GB
why 48GB?
64 not enough? 128 too much?

>>103047532
Cables are okay. They can go almost any degree.

>>103047541
There are no 64 GB sticks

>>103047541
128 doesn't exist without large compromise

>>103047541
It's the max you can install without running into the problem of dramatically lowered clocks. If you install 64 and eventually want to get 32 more you can throw the 64 into the bin. Rather get 96 right away. If you really need it you can easily afford it.

>>103046423
https://youtu.be/PFc379hu--8?t=1200

Haven't upgraded my GPU in 7 years, how much longer do I have to wait to not get jewed?

>>103047556
>>103047566
so 4x32 sticks would be a problem?
I only need 64 for my setup but may as well go 128

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>>103047631
Literally forever. Even at the current "jew" prices gpus remain very low margin compared to other chip based products. We will never return to $300 70 class cards. You WILL buy the 5070 that actually is a 5060 and you will be happy.

>>103047643
it works with ddr4 not going to happen with ddr5

>>103046374
Is there anything better than the 78000x3d for gaming yet?

>>103047647
Yay for performance regression
We're too busy constantly dunking on intel to call out ram manufacturers for some reason

>>103047654
The 9700x beats it occasionally. Generally still slower though.

>>103047631
It is never a good time to upgrade a GPU
Thus it is always a good time to upgrade a GPU

>>103047631
To be honest with you, if the price leaks of the 50 series is true, the 40 series will be the last reasonable GPU to buy. Or buy an RX 6600 and stop worrying about $1,000 GPUs being the standard now.

>>103047631
Jensen Huang isn't personally worth more than his company's biggest competitor for no reason.
The prices aren't going anywhere until the generative AI bubble bursts and generative AI has actual cost cutting applications so that's going to take a while.

>>103047647
>>103047556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtMIppL9UC4

>>103047643
you can do it but be prepared for a fair bit of manual tuning

>>103047654
The 9800x3d was just revealed and release on the 7th, it’s not a very good upgrade from the 7800x3d and is also $480. Better than paying for a scalped 7800x3d thought

>>103047663
I'm glad I got this thing for under $200, never waitfagging again, the new shit is all terrible

>>103047678
9800x3d releases in 1 week and will beat it by 8%. Obviously not worth upgrading for $479+ mobile + ram from a 7800x3d but it's compelling for people on older stuff

>>103047645
hot

>>103047647
>>103047675
I just looked up some 2x48GB sticks but most of them are from G.Skill.
are they any good? Looking for white ones.

>>103047690
You wouldn't download a child.

>>103047666
>wait 7 years
>get suggested a downgrade
Thanks, Satan

>>103047631
If 50 series cards are good then a used 40 series card might be obtainable for a reasonable price.

>>103047716
Oh I downloaded a lot of children.
>>103047706
no fuck G.skill. 48 pretty niche so you gonna have to pay extra to get some decent whites ones from Kingston or Corsair.

asus proart z890 when?

>>103047487
I can get steady power by unplugging every USB cable from the motherboard, but after I turn the PSU switch off and on again it goes back to blinking out. Not sure what but I guess unplugging and seating everything back should clear it up.

Are the Aorus Elite Ax mobos good enough? I wanna get an X670 but idk what's the best bang for my buck.

>>103047824
There is a spreadsheet that lists the VRM configuration of almost all boards.

>>103047824
Good enough for what? If you're just building a gaming rig then there's $130 B650 boards that would be good enough 99% of the time.

>>103047383
It's the floods maaaan

>>103047425
If only they didn't amdip

>>103047495
Everyone mutes their mics or don't have any. Dead silent lobbies every time.

>>103047498
TX650M, about 5 years old. I'll be upgrading everything once the new X3D drops, so I'm hoping to keep my current one running for two more weeks.

>>103047824
X670E ProArt.

>>103047405
how this even allowed ?

nobody not willing to undercut each other, fuck this

>>103047940
It's not and they've been caught several times
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal

>>103047940
My theory is that every couple of years the regulators step in and tell them to stop colluding. Then every other few years they back off a bit to let them make some money. Usually with some excuse like flooding.

I'm going to try my hand at the UMC lottery with a 9800x3d and if it ends up better than this potato 7800x3d I'll keep it.
t. bought before the scalping began

>>103048004
>than this potato 7800x3d
What's wrong with you 7800x3d?

>>103048004
You won't find much difference unless you are trying to do productivity stuff.

>>103048010
It can't run 96gb dual rank at more than 3000mhz 1/1.

>>103048028
what motherboard

>>103046374

>>103048028
That's pretty much all DDR5 shit, wait for CUDIMM RAM which is supposed to fix that issue.

>>103048028
Sounds more like average than potato. It does make me wonder what you're doing with this PC though - what sort of workload needs 96GB but only 8 cores?

>>103048045
X760e steel legend. A 4dimm board I know.
It needs 1.23vsoc to be stable. hours and hours of ycruncher stable but I'm still going to try.

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>my motherboard from 2018 doesnt support these new amd cpus

it's so over...

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>>103046374
solved the cheap CPU shit thanks anon. i've seen a lot of those massive table mousepads that people also use. what are some decent ones people get? my budget is ideally under $50 but i'm open to whatever.

>>103048079
5700x3d

>>103048028
Why not? Isn't that a motherboard chipset thing?

>>103047477
What does exactly the taichi lite lacks?

X670E Pro RS is the only logically put together AM5 board currently on the market.

>>103048182
no back plate, loses 1 m2 slot compared to the nova

>>103048079
B650s are really cheap now

I have the grimmest feeling that Nvidia's future stack is going to end up looking like this;

5090 - $2000
5080 - $1500
5070 - $1100
5060 - $800

>>103048264
The 5080 might come down to $1k if AMD can actually deliver something that competes with it.

From what I understand you can't overclock on any non Z lga 1700 board, but are you able to undervolt or power limit for lower power consumption?

>>103048346
Yes but your undervolting options are more limited (which might actually be on the CPU side). FWIW, the locked CPUs and common B+K pairings don't have crazy power draw in the first place so UV is less valuable.

Are Ryzen phoenix CPUs chiplet or monolithic?

>>103046374
What does an AMD boost on a b650 chipset actually do? I've noticed it adds about 20 fps more to my games and I just leave it on, is that ok?

>>103048264
nah
5090 - $3000
4080 - $1500
~5070ti - $900
5070 - $750

For it to drop down AMD has to release 8800XT for $500 and it to outperform 5070 by 7-10%.
$5060 - $600

>>103048460
>5090 - $3000
That will be the 48GB 90Ti.

>>103047978
Sound like regulator just let them do whatever, regulator just want sue to make money themself

>>103048419
>actually do
auto OC to thermal limit

>>103048410
Amd Apu are monolithic

>>103048482
not happening. go buy an enterprise card if you want more.
5090 is aimed at prosumers who can't afford a server stack.

>>103048485
So it shouldn't be a problem? It will thermal throttle itself if there is an issue?

>>103048499
sure, but do you like running your CPU at 90C'?

>>103048508
Haven't seen it get that high, I think anything intense I do is mostly GPU bottlenecked.

>>103048490
What about their f versions?

>>103048516
should be fine then, I prefer to run games with CPU around 55-60C tops its nearly silent that way

>>103048483
Sometimes yeah. They've got competing incentives - their mandate calls for vicious competition but too much of that and there's no industry left to regulate. List speaks of this.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2507953/lunar-lakes-integrated-dram-wont-happen-again-intel-ceo-says.html

“It really is, for us, a one off with Lunar Lake,” Gelsinger did during the call. “That will not be the case with Panther Lake, Nova Lake, and its successors as well. We’ll build it in a more traditional way, with memory off package, and the CPU, GPU, NPU, and I/O capabilities in the package. Volume memory will be off-package in the roadmap, going forward.”

IT'S JOEVER

>>103048520
F or non-F doesn't tell you whether it's chiplet or not. 7500F is chiplet while the 8400F is monolithic. It's a mess.
One way you can tell, at least with ≥Zen2 models, is by checking the L3 cache. 32MB is chiplet and 16MB is monolithic.

>>103045865
PSU's are most efficient at about 80% capacity so a 550W is probably better for you

When the 5000 series drops, will it be smarter to get a 5080 or a used 4090
What's the chance that 4090s will be offloaded for cheap

>>103048763
Latency gets worse forever I guess...

>>103048859
5080 is not going to be faster than 4090.There might be another version of 5080 with 24 GB VRAM, so getting the 16 GB one is not very good idea.
Dunno about the prices, recently the 4090 prices went up due to supposed shortages.

Starting to get a little bit of buyer's remorse with that 4070 super
It's great I can undervolt it a lot and it doesn't heat up and I get pretty decent performance, but I'll be honest, everyday I see more and more titles coming out with DLSS support there as sort of mandatory because without it, shit doesn't run so well. I'm thinking that people telling me games are being actively developed on purpose for people to splurge on stupidly pricey GPUs or just completely give up and use framegen are right. I went from AMD to nvidia and I'm still happy about what extra gimmicks I got but fuck me, it's ridiculous that a decade ago I wouldn't have thought of spending 600 europoors on a GPU unless it came with zero compromises and now it's just what the newer generations call "mid". It's sad.

>>103047329
How does the CPU on top fare compared to the CPU on the bottom, I'd like to know

>>103048973
Oh wait, I forgot the 5080 is going to be 16GB. Right, worthless.
Guess I'll either hunt for a 4090 deal, or wait for the 5080 super, or just buy a 7900xtx if I get tired of waiting.

Yeah fuck this I'm buying a pre-built pc

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>>103048978
I've been trying to get the 4070 Super but honestly it's still a bit too expensive for me. I thought they'd be dropping in price, especially now that it's autumn.

>>103048978
To be entirely fair, inflation is fucking real, and in a decade we've had retarded inflation. 600 sneeds a decade ago is probably easily equivalent to 900-1000 sneeds today.
>but muh wages
Are stagnating in a lot of parts of the world and a lot of industries, yes. That still doesn't mean things don't cost more.

That being said, I agree that framegen and its consequences have been a disaster for AAA game development. Devs now know that they can literally avoid optimising and as long as they can run at something like 30fps it's fine, because consumers will just get goyframes out of thin air for free.

>>103049016
Discounts are antisemitic

>>103049024
>To be entirely fair, inflation is fucking real, and in a decade we've had retarded inflation. 600 sneeds a decade ago is probably easily equivalent to 900-1000 sneeds today.
I'm aware of that but fuck, hard to cope with it.
Well, at the end of the day it's still a luxury thing, can't complain about that either. I'm aware that standards have also gotten higher (1080p 60fps is not enough for everyone anymore).

i'm considering oled monitors but even if i accept the pricetag the real issue is burn-in. it is still a issue, right? i'm planning to keep my monitor for at least 7 years or so

>>103046374
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crMGBL
pref upgrade, but a new system also sounds good
budget 1300 dolaroos Paraguay

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Diamond-Rapids-APX-AVX10

New Intel Diamond Rapids Patch For GCC Confirms AVX10.2-512, APX & Other ISA Features

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

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>>103048978
u sold ur soul to nvidia u get what u paid for

Curved monitor; Yes/No?

>>103049076
I'm not sure about them lasting 7 years at all without burn in since pretty much all popular tests uploaded out there only target like 1 fucking year of usage (where they show in many cases there's no burn in even without protection features, but that's not a good indication). Consider the ones that do have a 3 year warranty that does cover burn in, that would help at least.
But current displays have more and more anti-burn in measures. My current OLED monitor (MSI MAG 271QPX) runs a panel protection feature every 16 hours against your will that turns off your monitor for a few minutes, has a pixel shift feature with different settings and it has some other features related to that as well. OLED I would still not recommend if you need a monitor for work because of this. You're still more likely to have a decent time with these if you don't have static content being displayed at all times.

>>103049114
I've been with AMD for over a decade and I will never, ever say, even under threat of violence, that it has been a better experience.

>>103049119
>Curved monitor; Yes/No?
Unless you have deskspace for a a Super Ultra Wide like one of these for the novelty I'm going to say no:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMQCINBd-nw
The geometric distortion would bother me.

>>103049119
Curved are VA, which is a problem in itself unless you are going really good VA. Other than that most seem to believe curved isn't worth it unless you are getting a really big monitor.
Which basically means its probably not worth it unless you are going very high end anyways.

>>103049114
how much did 680 & 1080ti cost at launch
wasn't 1080ti like 900$?

Say, if I'm buying an X670 board and a 9000 series CPU, can I put everything together and then do the BIOS flashback, or do I specifically need to run it without a CPU in the socket?

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>VRAMlets are getting hard filtered by the monster hunter wilds beta.
And these are the night owls who stayed up all night.
Expect the Nviscreeching to ratchet up to 11 as more people wake up to find out they are VRAMlets.

>>103049244
Is 16gb enough?

>>103049244
12GB of VRAM suck dick
This game is horribly unoptimized
These two things are factual

>>103049251
Yes.
Game uses megascans which is technology the industry actually wants to use going forward, unlike the forced memes which I’m sure you’re aware of.
16GB was always the entry level for megascans but retards didn’t want to believe it.

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Who should i trust in 5 days?

You'll see vramlets will get their revenge when they actually just release vram modules that you can just add through PCIe or whatever the fuck!

>>103049281
Glad I'm not a retard

>>103049209
It shouldn't matter either way, but consult your motherboard's manual for specific steps.

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Switched from 10900K to 5950X to 13900K and will now switch to 9800X3D and there's nothing you can do about it poorfags. I will keep upgrading for high frame rate vidya kino.

>>103049337
What's your monitor?

thoughts on 8700G?

>>103049076
zoomers are way too fussed about burn-in
the early ones burned like hell but the current gen is fine
literally just use a screensaver

>>103049319
youtube benchmarkers

>>103048999
The CPU on top would have given you 6 years of solid performance while the one on the bottom isn't even buyable tofay

>>103049076
Just get the OLED to enjoy with games and videos along with a dirt cheap large throwaway LCD (or reuse the one you have) for static content like web browsing and desktop work. Throw them both a dual-monitor arm. Should last 7-10 years that way, simple.

>>103049319
Buy the CPU and test it in your favorite game. Or compare your own results with someone else's and if it aligns, you know you can trust them.
For example I don't trust TechPowerUp memory scaling reviews because they always neglect secondary and tertiary timings that make a big difference but I trust their stock numbers because they align with what I've tested myself.
Anyway, UserBenchmark is flawed because they test synthetic performance in a really weird bench nobody in the industry uses. If you're buying X3D the use case is playing video games go test it there and not UserBench or Cinebench or whatever.

I enjoyed building my PC so much I want to build another one but I can't afford it nor do I have any reason to build more than one.

Maybe I should put an ad in the local paper to do PC assembly for a small fee. But I think there's not much market for it in my area, maybe for some kids that want gaming PCs. It would be cool to help people pick parts within their budget and put it all together.

>>103049319
factoriobox

>>103049327
I wonder if that would work like with an SLI bridge, second card just adds VRAM... interesting

>>103049384
Something like this was actually announced recently. I just don't remember exactly what it was.
Of course vramlets can also acquire really good skills at soldering and actually add VRAM to their GPUs

>>103049407
you also have to modify your vBIOS

>>103049384
>>103049327
One of the major weak points of SLI was actually how both the PCI and bridge combined were nowhere near fast enough to distribute VRAM load so all the textures and shit had to be identical in both cards.

>>103049416
I would guess that would be less difficult or risky than the annoying process that would be desoldering and soldering vram

>>103049341
AW3225QF. Earlier I had the AW3423DW. For some reason the same reseller we buy Dell monitors from for the office also sells Alienware monitors so I buy them VAT free with a discount on top.

>>103049369
I'm using QD-OLED for desktop work and gaming and haven't noticed any burn-in. It's just as dumb as the fearmongering a few years ago about SSDs degrading.

>>103049440
>It's just as dumb as the fearmongering a few years ago about SSDs degrading.
okay but the "rotational velocidensity" meme was funny

>>103049327
That's impossible because the memory chips need to be physically close to the GPU due to signal integrity. We're already gimping our RAM speeds by using ancient DIMM standard far away from the CPU due to clearance issue, let's not gimp VRAM either especially since current cards like 4090 are already bandwidth bottlenecked with 1TB/s memory.

>>103049440
For how long?

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Got a buddy who wants a new GPU, but max price he wants to give is 400 euro, and significantly prefers buying new, doesn't trust 2nd hand. Is the best option under these conditions the 7700xt? Or should I really try to convince him about 2nd hand, and if so which one's good for that price?

>>103049495
6800XT?

>>103049505
Seems fantastic, but everywhere I check its gone. Any european sellers still selling it?

>>103049511
where in yurop are you?

>>103049517
Netherlands, but usually that means its easy to buy german stuff as well

>>103049119
I have an odyssey G7 and I like it. Some people are super autistic about the "distortion" but I really don't see the difference; unless you're doing super technical drawing/design work that absolutely requires you to be able to look at straight lines, I feel like it just wouldn't matter. Even with actual modern CAD the software is the one doing the straight lines so it wouldn't actually be that important.
Or maybe it's like with refresh rates and flicker/strobing, where some people are more sensitive and bothered by it while others aren't, I dunno.
The upside is that you can have the monitor much closer to you without issue. I also have a large flat monitor in my home office, and while it's IPS and the viewing angles are excellent, it feels off looking at text on the edges of the monitor at such an angle. To make it more comfortable, I have to move it further away, but that makes the text smaller so I have to increase the font size which defeats the purpose of having a large monitor in the first place.

>>103049185
That having been said, yes, this is an important consideration. I specifically bought the G7 after trawling tftcentral for dozens of reviews, and coming to the conclusion that Samsung's high-end VA somehow solves or sidesteps the problems that usually plague VA. And indeed I've had no complaints since.
But, the flat IPS I have in my home office? That's the second monitor I've tried there; the first one was a curved VA and I returned it. Because the viewing angles were actually bad enough that even the curvature didn't compensate enough for it. I do miss the curvature, but looking at the edges of the monitor at an angle while still seeing it clearly definitely beats looking at the curved edges more naturally yet having the VA still fuck up the colours.

>>103049485
Sure if you want to keep your poverty monitor for a decade OLED might not be for you but the rest doesn't give a shit.

>>103049525
https://geizhals.de/xfx-speedster-swft-309-radeon-rx-6800-core-gaming-rx-68xlaqfd9-a2579721.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

that's a better buy than the 7700XT

>>103049533
You haven't answered my question there

>>103049537
Sadly won't fit his case, his max GPU size is 280mm.

>>103049526
Even high end Samsung VAs have low framerate flickering and smudging. You either get OLED or IPS if you don't care about contrast. I don't see anything VAs do well outside of high HDR brightness in bright scenes.

>>103049281
what's a megascans

>>103049541
No OLED device I had developed burn-in before I replaced it for other reasons and OLED displays are getting more durable with each gen. Sufficiently long enough.

>>103049244
Why not just play any of the 20 other monhun games and its 50 clones.

I’m making a budget am4 build, how is the b550m pro-vdh Wi-Fi? On sale for $90 right now

>>103049469
What would it take to improve RAM placement standards anyway
It's always bothered me how far away the RAM is from the CPU. Lightspeed delay is literally a bottleneck at multi-gigahertz clock speeds but then we have the memory banks sitting a comfortable distance off to the side for some reason.

Light is pretty slow if you think about it

>>103048892
Just overclock those to memory package to 10ghz

>>103049563
>low framerate flickering and smudging.
What do you mean by that, as in it smudges when running at low framerates? Or something else?
It's a 240Hz monitor, you're not supposed to run it at low framerates, if that's what you meant. Or at least that's a tradeoff I'm completely indifferent to making.

>>103048978
either buy 4090 or bust, low end are treated like shit

I literally only play like five-ten year old games but I still feel like upgrading... Talk me in or out of it

>>103049559
yikes, 7700XT is the best brand new then yeah. He might be able to find a second hand 3080?

>>103049202
nta, it was $699
you have to factor in inflation but it's not secret that nvidia prices have been shit since the 20 series
I got a 2070S back then mostly because it had roughly the same performance and cost as much as a 1080ti used so I at least got a 2-year warranty

>>103049590
B550 pro vdh (wifi or not) is a good mobo, should be able to run basically any AM4 CPU.
The only problem with AMD is that although the upfront cost is a bit more budget than intel, you are going to be running your CPU with like 5 times as much idle power.
So the cost is going to end up evening out anyway.

>>103049644
wait till ddr5 8000 became mainsteam,

>>103049613
>It's a 240Hz monitor, you're not supposed to run it at low framerates
Oh come the fuck on. Nobody buys a high refresh rate monitor just to -only- enjoy content that can run at framerates that high.

>>103049485
nta but I got barely noticeable only on certain shades of gray burn in from window title bar only in top right corner (close/minimize buttons) after almost 2 years of using c2 woled/rwbg.
rest of the panel has zero burn in despite using it as main/single display for browser etc for hours per day.

>>103049644
are you unhappy with the performance you get?

>>103049685
That’s because intel has E-cores, right? What would the intel equivalent to the 5600gt be?

>>103049700
If you mean like watching 24fps cinematic movies... then okay, sure, you got me. I don't actually watch movies very much, if at all.
For games, though? If you're playing the latest AAAslop, then you deserve to be using framegenslop or something anyway. If you're playing something other than the latest batch of games that look exactly the same as games for the last 7-8 years but run 5x slower, then it shouldn't be a problem for you anyway.
There's pretty much no reason to run below at least ~100fps or so in 1440p nowadays. If your GPU can't handle that, not even with framegen, then you probably don't need a 1440p 240Hz monitor in the first place.

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This seems alright. Except the gpu maybe. God, 500 for a single component.

>>103049700
nvidiots are a very special breed
pay them no heed

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>>103049737
>the only alternative to 300+ fps is 24fps
>literally no other framerates exist

>>103049740
Wait, is that a base 4070, and not a 4070 super? Not worth it that much then. Other than the GPU yeah rest is fine

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>>103046423
can you make your point in less words? do you not respect other people's time? you're like those breakdancing niggers that take up public spaces aren't you?

>>103049644
>GPU
Start with upgrading your monitor to a 4K120 if you have not already
Then see if your old GPU can run all your old games at 4K120 without trickery
>CPU
You'd know if your games were really CPU bottlenecked

>>103049740
get better ram

>>103049750
People don't make movies between 24fps and 60fps.
Games should pretty much never be played below 60 (or 100) fps in this day and age. Again, if you can't handle that much even with framegen, you either need a better GPU or a lower resolution monitor.
There is absolutely no usecase for content between 24 and 60fps, and barely any usecase for 60-100fps.

What's a "low framerate" in the context you were using it?

>>103049727
No, although those core also help. The big difference is the chiplet vs monolithic architecture. Check the previous thread if you want to learn more.
But 90% of AMD stuff uses chiplet architecture, which consumes a lot of extra power (like 3 to 5 times more) even when the CPU should be idling, when you are doing something simple like browsing the internet for example.
There are a couple AM4 CPUs that use monolithic architecture that would negate that negative, but the problem is that they are all on the much weaker side, so if you ever want to upgrade your CPU in the future, you are going to have to suffer the extra idle consumption.

>>103049571
standard texture library to ensure all AAA games look exactly the same going forward

>>103049772
Doesn't seem necessary for games. 16 gb 3600 mhz is fine.

>>103049737
There is still a metric fuckton of games of old that are locked to specific framerates. Framegenshit is also not a guarantee of framerates that high.
But it's still nice to have that refresh rate as an option for when you play shit like counter strike or use black frame insertion on retroarch or the like. You don't have to limit your hardware options to what you enjoy more than 50% of the time. I don't understand this bullshit about "needs". We're talking about gayming monitors. Nobody "needs" a >120hz monitor. Nobody "needs" anything over a budget GPU. It's nicer to have.

>>103049707
Not always but it's also not unbearable
It's mostly in single-player games. I don't know if I can justify a full platform upgrade (I'm on intel's skylake socket...) for a handful of games where I don't NEED top performance

>>103049764
See above for CPU
>4k120
I run on 1440p and I'm relatively happy with that resolution honestly

>>103049740
get 3600mhz 32gb 16x2 ram

16gb aint enough

>>103049783
yum

>>103049775
retard

>>103049281
death stranding uses the iceland megascans and there's no vram issues with that
you're just coping about a shitty unoptimized game

>>103049796
skylake was pretty good but it's getting up in the years
are you sure it's a cpu limit and not gpu limit? most games don't need that much cpu

>>103049790
Okay, fair enough. I don't play that many ancient games, and the few that I do have unlocked framerates so maybe I'm just lucky.
>framegenshit is also not a guarantee of framerates that high
It literally doubles your FPS doesn't it?

>>103049785
ddr4 16gb are dual rank
ddr4 8gb are 1 rank

it around 400mhz faster

>>103049790
>>103049818
a high refresh monitor will make low framerates look smoother too

on a 60hz monitor, 59fps is a disaster, on a 240hz it looks just fine

variable refresh rate is especially good for preventing microstutters at low fps, and I never understood why they capped it out at 48 minimum or higher

>>103049740
>paying 200$ for a 5700x3d instead of 135 on aliexpress
>building AM4 from scratch now
>building AM4 from scratch EVEN WITHOUT ALIEXPRESS now
>PA instead of PS
>16gb ram
>90$ for a 1tb ssd
>PNY
>a non super 4070
bro you are fucking up so fucking horrendously it's absurd
please just use a prebuilt part list from somewhere instead that's put together by someone who has even a slight idea of what he's doing

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I have an old bulldozer era wraith in my closet
will it fit the newer boards? or did they change the mounts?

>>103049740
Building a new AM4 system is a mistake, just get a 7600 or 7500F.

>>103049818
Anon, double can mean 68fps on a terribly optimized game or with obnoxiously heavy shit like path tracing.
Of course, you can just not enable the frameraping settings, but if you were to compromise there, you have a monitor where lower framerates don't look like shit or there's not that much input lag at all and there you go. You have the option.

I'll get a 4080S for the price of a 4070TiS and there's NOTHING you can do to make me wait. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA.

>>103049870
framegen on <60fps is not recommended due to input lag and artifacts

>>103049844
It depends, that's not always the case.
I have 3 high refresh rate monitors, 2 at 165hz (IPS), one at 360hz (QD-OLED).
On one of these 165hz monitors, 60hz doesn't look all that smooth. It's kind of shitty. You have to fuck with overdrive constantly just to get something usable.
The other 165hz monitor I have, a newer Philips model, doesn't seem to have this issue at all. I can enjoy 60hz content without being bothered. Same with the OLED one. 60hz doesn't fuck me up on a 360hz monitor. It's not great but if I plug something like my switch in there, locked to 60hz, I'm not gonna be annoyed.

>>103049858
clip-on coolers did not change all the way since AM2 to AM5.
only screw-through holes changed.

>>103049937
alright, because the tray cpu's are cheaper than the boxed ones that presumably just come with a nearly identical cooler anyway

>>103049848
>actually thinking I will buy from pic part pickers selections instead of just looking at the part
>thinking that am5 is worth it

For fucks sake man.

>>103049944
>nearly identical cooler anyway
it might actually be a better cooler than current gen.
idk about max/prism but for spires every refresh has been a significant downgrade (going from vapour chamber on zen 1 to copper slug on zen 2 to solid aluminum since zen3)

>>103046374
How does an air cooled phantom spirit system compare to a water cooled system?

>>103050004
I guess it makes sense, since they got a lot more energy efficient
vishera ran hot as fuck

>>103049983
The fuck is your post even saying, retard?
Yes AM5 is worth it. You're basically paying a bit more for a slightly better pc to have an upgrade path in the future that is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper.
you're spending over 300$ on shit you'll just throw away within a year or two

>Considering an AM4 to AM5 upgrade with the beefy new CPU that's popular and coming out soon
>900€ for CPU+mobo+RAM combo
pass

If the rumors of the 5070 having 12 gigs of VRAM turn out to be true I'm going to make it my purpose to burn every leather jacket I see

ps: this 900 second timer is the most cancerous thing I've ever seen on this site

>>103050058
Just dox your email to the Mossad goyim.

>>103050044
am5 has proven a dud. I'll pass on the whole gen.

>>103050048
>AM4 to AM5 upgrade
fuck this shit, grab 11.11 5700x3d and join the waiting for ddr6 club

>>103050048
>poorfags boards around 150
>poorfag ram under 100
>rest is CPU
How fucking poor do you have to be to consider this too expensive

>>103050089
my guy are you new to the idea of europoors?

Should i go with a 13600k or ryzen 9 5900x

>>103050115
ryzen

>>103050115
>should I go with an intel disaster zone or a three generations outdated amd

>>103050089
the CPU is over 500
That used to be the cost of a decent build without a dedicated GPU

Retard Qs here. So there’s rumor of 9900x3d 9950x3d after 9800x3d, any reason to wait for those if building a gaming rig, or are they going to be more for productivity with x3d tacked on.

>>103050082
Then get a 12th gen intel instead, poorfag

>>103050138
x3d is particularly good for games isn't it?

>>103050138
>are they going to be more for productivity with x3d tacked on.
That one
Most people don't need what those productivity CPUs offer

>>103050138
>any reason to wait for those
no more core parking so yes
>are they going to be more for productivity with x3d tacked on
I mean that was the idea from the start so nothing new

Walmart has 7800x3d for 399 rn if anyone was looking for slight discount

>>103050122
>>103050118
Its outperforming the ryzen in nost things tho? From what ive seen in vids

>>103048978
Idk I got one for 1440p gaymin, I'm quite happy and if you don't expect 100fps+RT in every AAA slop it'll be perfectly fine for the next 3 years probably.
Still not worth the price but there literally isn't a single modern GPU that is. Would still prefer having a 4080/90 if I wasn't a poorfag of course but what can you do.

>>103050214
was pretty happy with the value on my rx 7600 actually

16gb 4060 any good or is it just junk?

>>103050230
all lovelaceslop is junk

>>103050204
Why are you buying a 4 year old cpu

>>103050230
Don't get a 4060 (barring like 30%+ discount). Go look at benchmarks.

>>103050230
All non super 40 series are a terrible purchase
>>103050214
6650xt is very good value as far as I've seen

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I don't know if I should ask here but I noticed after buying my last GPU and monitor.
There's a few games where I notice some banding around and what looks like compression artifacts like I didn't before. I'm not particularly sure if this is strictly because I just legitimately didn't notice until a few weeks ago and my brain is fucking with me. Perhaps because I started using HDR it has become more noticeable.
Anyways, initially I thought it was an HDR thing, but I disabled it and that didn't change shit. I tried it with nvidia's RTX HDR, same thing. I tried changing color settings (8, 10, 12 bits), same thing. Resolution and scaling settings, graphical settings. Practically fucking anything. People tell me this is not normal, but crazily enough, I try the same games on my laptop with onboard AMD graphics instead of an nvidia GPU, on a completely different display, and the same shit happens.
So how prevalent is this actually? Am I going crazy here? The only things I can find in common with both my PC and my laptop are the CPU and the fact they're both running the same version of W11 and higher than 1080p resolutions. This isn't just happening with this particular game.

>>103050214
Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty happy with it. Everything I can throw at it still runs nice. I just tried the new call of slop whatever the fuck (through free xbox game pass) and it runs stupidly lagless.

>>103050314
call of duty has always been insanely well optimized

>>103050326
I have to wonder if the game still runs on the quake engine. I swear to god sometimes it feels like it runs smoother than CS2. There's some low latency bullshit there or I have something not setup correctly.

>>103050336
with 20 years of building on it I don't think it's fair to call it the quake engine anymore but I don't think they ever dropped it no

Look like Intel has cold feet and distancing themselves from discrete GPU development
>How are we handling graphics and how that is increasingly becoming a large integrated graphics capabilities.
>So less need for discrete graphics in the market going forward.
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-panther-lake-to-launch-in-second-half-of-2025-no-more-memory-on-package-in-future-products

>>103050326
>>103050336
>>103050361
It's Activision's main breadwinner and even the business executives probably understand the importance of having a smooth launch for these titles.
CoD attracts very casual gamers and you don't want to give them a difficult technical experience.

>>103050383
>spend billions
>drop it
Intel everyone

>>103050383
I thought the arc was good.

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>we don't NEED to be competitive with Turin Classic
>we don't NEED hyperthreading
>we don't NEED a generational uplift
>we don't NEED to supply enough units for a product to be actually purchasable on launch day
>we don't NEED discrete GPUs
you are here
>we don't NEED to competitive with Turin Dense
>we don't NEED to ship 18A in 2025
>we don't NEED PowerVia
>we don't NEED Panther Lake on desktop
>we don't NEED the CHIPS Act money
>we don't NEED fabs
>we don't NEED to retain our Intel branding under Qualcomm

>>103050383
Battlemage bros...

>>103050398
Maybe that's true these days, but I remember both MW2 and BO1 having a terrible experience at launch. MW2 because of the IWNet nonsense and being locked to 90fps and unable to fuck around with the same config tweaks as previous entries, and BO1 being fairly buggy.

Amazons Holiday Return policy has gone into effect and items are now returnable by Jan 31, 2025.

>>103050295
If this happening with a miniLED or OLED monitor?
Don't use HDR for other monitors.

>>103050626
It happens on an IPS monitor without HDR. It happens on a QD-OLED monitor with HDR or without it. I tried the laptop display, it happens there as well (that one is OLED too though). The paranoia comes from people telling me that's not how it's supposed to look, but I haven't seen anyone test it and unfortunately a lot of youtube videos aren't high quality enough to tell if that's a common thing.
This could be just something people don't notice because they're not autistic fucks like me but it's there. There were a few effects many years ago in games like Deus Ex MD and Rise of the tomb raider I noticed that I thought were a problem with my GPU, turned out to be just like that for everyone, it's just people didn't point it out.

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>>103050383
>>103050412
>CPU department fucks up
>GPU department has to pay

>>103050665
have you taken a screenshot and verified the banding isn't in the game graphics?

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Day 575 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>103050697
>the absolute state of waitfags

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Alright bros, my plan to use borrow a 4080S while waiting for the 5090 to come out has been set in motion. Unfortunately I have to downgrade from a 4090, but at least I'll save myself $600 in depreciation when the time comes.

>>103050735
stupid shark learn grammar

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>>103050690
Screenshots are the same.
Here's another one, don't mind the fucked HDR settings, I disabled those and the sky looks the same. Someone told me it's normal, saw a few screenshots of it looking like that as well, and then some other people told me it's not normal. I'm confused honestly. Maybe this is how it's supposed to look but some people have some fucking RTX filter enabled or whatever the fuck, I dunno. If it's normal the curiosity of why this is a thing still kills me. Maybe reshade or some other tool can help mask it or maybe I've gotten stupidly sensitive.

>>103050678
Arc Alchemist is a space-inefficient (expensive) gpu.
The A770's die area is about as large as the 3070Ti's, and the latter was made on an inferior node.
They can't get it right the first time, but there's very little financial incentive to make dGPUs when NVIDIA and AMD are far ahead with insubstantial profit to be made in the $250~500 segment.

Intel needs an Epyc/Ryzen tier game changer.

>>103050748
probably higher contrast and better color rendering makes banding more obvious
there should be debanding filters for reshade