9800x3d now or wait for 9850x3d? I do a mix of things and don't really gaym much anymore. Should I just look for a second hand 9950x? So many choices.

>>103107306
but what you can afford, alternatively dont upgrade to anything

>>103107272
when is the intel 285k and geforce 50 coming

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Why do most cases come with a shroud over the PSU that fills the entire lower third of the enclosure these days?

>>103107318
>285k
it's already out
>geforce 50
January

>>103107330
isolates ssds/hdds, better cable managment

Starting to wonder if the 7950X3D I bought 2 weeks ago was a waste.

>>103107318
the intelaviv space heater is already out and it's shit

>>103107330
to hide the mess of cables from the PSU

>>103107306
What's your current thing?

>>103107318
>intel 285k
Don't bother it's garbage, go for the 14th gen equivalent or wait.

>>103107306
Assuming it'll be the same situation as the previous 3D CPUs, doesn't this mean the 9800X3D will be the best version like the 7800X3D was?

My budget is around 1500 dollars to 2000 dollars, country Chile

So far i have this gathered

GTX 4070 Super
AMD ryzen 5 7600x
Cooler CPU Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE

Im looking for a motherboard now, any recommendations? now this is something i just dont understand

>>103107376
get a dell or alienware prebuilt on clearance sale

>>103107376
b650e pg riptide wifi
2x16gb 6000mhz cl30 ram (teamgroup t-create expert or g.skill aegis x5)
seasonis 750watt psu
phanteks xt pro ultra case

Any recommendations on a ddr5-6200 kit for the new AMD cpu?

>>103107423
hynix m die is the best for tightening timings
try to find a kingston kit its guaranteed hynix

>>103107389
i dont want prebuilt

>>103107401
thanks

>>103107423
CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6200MHz CL32 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMK32GX5M2X6200C32)

maybe this one, i just sorted it on pcpartpicker by fastest first word latency at 6200mhz

>>103107423
gskill uses hynix and it's usually cheaper than most

>>103107423
6200 on auto settings is slower than 6000 on auto settings

>>103107442
yeah thats the problem, there's no 6200 CL30 kits

>>103107479
whats the difference between cas latency and first word latency? which one makes it faster

>>103107492
first word latency is frequency divided by cas latency
first word latency matters more
7.5 ns latency is superior to 10 ns latency even though the 10 ns kit might be 30cl while the 7.5 ns kit is 32 cl or 34 cl

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Look at those smooth 1% lows even in 2160p, literally no competition.

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WHEN WILL THEY START SELLING 9800X3D IN EUROPE GASHDNGPOWEHJ

>>103107492
think of cas latency as the multiplier to the ram clock speed and the first word as the result of that calculation.

>>103107512
yeah but that would mean the kit would be 8500mhz

>>103107529
Intelatency.

>>103107512
>7.5 ns latency
are there even any DDR5 XMP kits at 7.5 ns
oh, samsung B-die, taken from us too soon...

I BOUGHT THE ROG Zephyrus G16 (2024) GU605 WITH AN RTX 4090 LAPTOP GPU FOR LIKE $3,000 AND THIS SHIT LITERALLY BURNS ME. EVEN WHEN IM JUST PLAYING RUNESCAPE. LMAO

I GOT SCAMMED.

EVEN MY MACBOOK DOESNT BURN ME.

CLOWN WORLD.

>>103107551
pics or it didnt happen faggot

>>103107551
>gaming laptop
You played yourself.

>>103107551
>pcbg
>lapcuck
wrong thread bucko

>>103107551
very interesting news for the PC building general

>>103107538
>yeah but that would mean the kit would be 8500mhz
yes higher frequency at the same cas latency is lower first word latency than lower frequency at the same cas latency
>>103107546
idk

>>103107551
ive been wanting a gaming laptop but its such an issue with heating

>>103107537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjwO0HZxlDQ

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>>103107551
you shouldve got the xmg watercooled laptop

>>103107551
(You) have been posting this every other thread now, do you enjoy being called a retard?

why is it so hard to find an AM5 board that supports ECC?

>>103107624
https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=B650D4U3#Specifications

>>103107401
>seasonis 750watt psu
Could be more specific with this? im trying to find this one but i cant, too much specifics and letters and stuff

i know it is seasonic
Seasonic FOCUS GX-750 (750 W)

>>103107640
says it supports ECC & non-ECC DIMMs but doesn't say if the board itself actually supports ECC

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>>103107660
It is a server board for Epyc 4004 CPUs, of course it supports ECC.

>>103107624
what does ecc do? does it help in gaming or what?

>>103107670
Nothing to do with gaming, it is mainly to ensure data integrity.

All of a sudden, my local store has ample numbers of 7800X3D in stock at MSRP.
9800X3D is still the better choice at MSRP, right?

>>103107648
>Could be more specific with this? im trying to find this one but i cant, too much specifics and letters and stuff
i didnt mean any specific model i just meant find a psu thats around that wattage from seasonic since thats a quality brand
since you have a 4070 super which uses the 16 pin connector, that means you need a psu thats either atx 3.0 or atx 3.1 which have that connector natively so try to find one that has this connector (12+4 pin connector)
doesnt have to be 750 watts, if theres an 850 watt version for the same price you could pick that up since next time you upgrade you could get a more powerful gpu without upgrading psu

>>103107680
less likelihood of crashes then?

>>103107682
yes because its the newer chip

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>>103107624

>>103107691
>since you have a 4070 super which uses the 16 pin connector, that means you need a psu thats either atx 3.0 or atx 3.1 which have that connector natively so try to find one that has this connector (12+4 pin connector)
>doesnt have to be 750 watts, if theres an 850 watt version for the same price you could pick that up since next time you upgrade you could get a more powerful gpu without upgrading psu
thanks for the specifications? whats i wanted to read
its not that i was asking for somethign so specific, just so how things "work"
>doesnt have to be 750 watts, if theres an 850 watt version for the same price you could pick that up since next time you upgrade you could get a more powerful gpu without upgrading psu
I assume this one is simple like, more powerful PC needs more watts, right?

>>103107695
>less likelihood of crashes then?
Not for gaming

gonna be honest senpais, i don't see dual 3d cache coming until the 10k series

>>103107703
>>103107691
>thanks for the specifications? whats i wanted to read
oh my god ignore this
what i wanted to write was
>thanks for the help! thats what i wanted to read

>>103107670
significantly reduce bitflip errors. for gaming registered ECC ram is a100% downgrade as it has higher latency. unbuffered however is identical to normal RAM so you can use it if you want (you should, but if you're on a budget, ignoring it is fine)

>>103107670
ECC is a ram thing, its only used in servers
each ram has bits on it that store data, sometimes one bit can fail and this data is technically corrupted, what ecc does is add another bit to check errors in the other bits and correct them
error checking and correction aka ECC
usually ecc ram runs slower frequencies and higher latencies since it helps with error checking and correcting, its not for gaming its only for servers basically
>>103107703
>I assume this one is simple like, more powerful PC needs more watts, right?
usually yes, more powerful components will use more power, the 4070 super alone uses 220 watts while the 4090 uses 450-600 watts

>>103107711
Your intuition will likely be correct, kouhai

>>103107682
>my local store has ample numbers of 7800X3D in stock at MSRP
My friend said the actual store he works at was scalping the things, according to him they would get stock and tell people they were sold out only to turn around and sell them even more expensive online.

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what do ya'll think?

>>103107711
It would be a surprise considering the actual AMD employees said there would be no increase in the amount of cache for this round of x3D chips.

>>103105769
>deskmini x300 (am4) or the deskmini x600 (am5)
Anon, you are fucking awesome. This is exactly what I needed. Thank you so much.

>>103107722
like, they just figured out the cache should go at the bottom for thermals, i don't think they had enough time to experiment with having it on both ccds

>>103107742
They've been experimenting with all these scenarios since before the first x3D, the only reason the 5000/7000 series didn't have it ont he bottom is because it apparently needed them to design the chip to make better use of it below the ccd.

>>103107735
youre welcome
its a shame intel nucs arent produced anymore
>>103107730
looks pretty similar to the m32u which is also 499 right now, out of the two looks like the dell gets slightly brighter while the gigabyte has black frame insertion
figure out which one you prefer, everything else is identical (not sure about warranty though)

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Which Cirno figure should I buy for my PC?

>>103107742
they don't need to do any experiments
chiplets make it easy to change out the CCD design

>>103107756
Buy a different 2hu

>>103107756
have some chink factory make one based on this
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1496633&tags=cirno+pregnant

I found a msi gaming plus x670e locally for 130$. Did I pay too much or is that pretty good?

>>103107492
Frequency is cycles/second. Latency is how many cycles it takes to respond.

So, in round numbers, a 2Hz frequency with 2 cycles latency has the same 1s effective latency as a 2kHz frequency with 2000 latency. Although, of course, the bandwidth of the higher frequency will be one thousand times better in this case.

Some things benefit more from latency while other things benefit more from bandwidth. Cache speed and size can have a significant impact as well, as in, if the hot section of the code can fit in the cache, for instance, it may change from a latency sensitive code to a bandwidth sensitive code.

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So with my next pc build for probably the next 5-7 years coming I guess I should say what I'm hoping for next and what yall think are the odds
On mainstream desktop (not hedt)
Do you think in 2029--2031 we will have any of the following?
>32>= core cpus
Imo this is 100% going to happen, but this is my base case of what I'd be upgrading to.
>128gb sticks
I have 192gb for a heavy workload, I'd want at least 256gb in my future build
>quad channel memory
Long overdue imo, we already have too many cores for dual channel memory. If we get quad channel it also means i could easily settle on 64gb sticks. Using 48gbx4 now and the speed compromise of doing 4 sticks on a daisy chain is bullshit.

Ty for reading my wishlist.

>>103107759
guess we'll see if i'm wrong very soon
it's mainly just me coping because i bought a 9950X towards the end of september and can't return it anymore
i do more heavily multithreaded tasks than gaming but you know, more headroom would be nice regardless if the productivity side won't take a hit unlike the 5000/7000 SKUs

>>103107682
Tech jesus made a chart in the 9800x3d review video where it compares price/performance at different prices for 7800x3d. Go watch his video.

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/g/ i need your fucking help ive been having this issue for months and i just cannot find any answers on google,

there is like a 50% chance when i turn my PC on i just get zero signal out to the monitors, if i hold the power button down and force a reset, suddenly it works, very annoying and risky since there could be an update happening in the background, what the fuck do i do? im assuming its a BIOS setting but ive already tried turning off fast boot

>windows 11
>Gigabyte B650 GAMING X AX V2 (AM5)

>>103107860
sounds like gigabyte motherboard gremlins

>>103107860
you've already tried reseating the cable on both ends and swapping it, right?
for now just mash the bios key on every boot then reboot from the bios
are your monitors on when you turn shit on or are they on standby?

>>103107721
>usually ecc ram runs slower frequencies and higher latencies since it helps with error checking and correcting, its not for gaming its only for servers basically
This is a misunderstanding
ECC RAM almost exclusively follows JEDEC speeds and timings
Nothing stopping it from being just as fast as gaymer RAM, it's just servers and workstations don't use XMP/EXPO
One exception is the W790 and possibly the new Threadripper but it's such a niche application that XMP ECC registered kits are uber expensive

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>>103107537
Can't wait to get my hands on an overpriced 600+ euros 9800x3D sold by scalpers

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>>103107873
i can tell the monitor receives a pulse because the light will go from standby to solid for a second, but then nothing displays and it goes back to standby. i never see the BIOS screen, nothing shows up until i restart

>>103107878
the ecc isnt worse at higher speeds?

>>103107895
i should point out that i have two monitors and they both do the same thing, both are connected to the card and not the mobo

>>103107752
BFI is cool but I vowed to never buy gigabyte again so I think I'll go dell

>>103107895
>i never see the BIOS screen, nothing shows up until i restart
which is why you should turn on the pc, mash to get into bios even if there's nothing on the monitor and then reset

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>>103107806
Workstations already have more than this.

EPYC 9004 series have 12 channels.
Threadripper 5000 series have 4 channels.
Xeon Scalable 4th Gen (Sapphire Rapids) have 8 channels.

>>103107913
i could do that but like, can i also figure out how to make it so i dont have to do that

>>103107895
I've had an issue where this gigabyte monitor's usb b cable would cause my gpu to hang or cause black screens on launch. Do you have any of those plugged in?

>>103107919
Read again, I mean mainstream. Will we stagnate forever on the same 2 channels as when we had dual cores even though everything else has increased? Seems we are overdue for more.

When would be a good time to buy an am5 processor? I gave my previous 5800x3d build to my younger brother and I'm looking to buy a processor for it. Should I wait and see if I can get a 9800x3d or should I get something else? I would be pairing this with a 3080 primary for 4k gaming on jap titles like the new yakuza games and the like.

>>103107926
I dont have any USB going to my monitor no.

>>103107940
Hmm that's strange then. This is not helpful, but have you tried re installing the graphics card?

>>103107945
not intentionally but i did remove it i think at one point and re-install it to move shit around,

>>103107806
>32>= core cpus
Not likely but I 100% believe Zen6 will have 12 cores per CCD, 24 cores 48 threads per socket.
>128gb sticks
Maybe for DDR6, 64GB sticks are coming for DDR5 soon.
>quad channel memory
CAMM2 should make this easier to achieve.

Do the CL28 (CMH32GX5M2B6000C28) kits work with AM5 boards for ddr5 6000? or should I just cop a CL30 ddr5 6000?

whats the latest cheapo reliable cpu fan?

>>103107960
yes

>>103107973
the stock cooler that some cpus have comes with

>>103107929
On the other side, finally we seem to be leaving the 1 channel OEM offerings. Even Intel started doing something with the Xe Graphics branding requiring dual channel memory, else it would be branded as UHD Graphics.

>>103107905
If anything ECC would help with the inherent compromise in stability in running high speeds and low latencies. Assuming errors are caused my memory and not the IMC.
Really that's what it comes down to, the memory could be faster but the memory controller can't handle it. It's part of the reason to use ECC registered DIMMs is to have terabytes of RAM at 4800Mhz+

Hello, I wanted to ask if the corsair vengeance 5600MHz ddr5 would be fine paired with a R5 7600 on a x670E board? I know it's a weird mix of parts, but I put it together cheaply to eventually upgrade to a 9800x3d.

>>103107973
Some are still using the Hyper 212 or whatever it was called.

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>>103107909
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMSVLJW2
You can get a 27" 1440p@240Hz OLED for $450 if you aren't particularly in need of a 32"/4K panel. I personally think the difference in response times, contrast, colors, viewing angles. and lack of IPS glow is worth it at the half-grand mark.

So when will it drop?
Midnight?
4am?
7pm?

>>103108011
oh its just cause i read years ago about some guy trying to run ecc so thats what i remembered
looks like he was talking about overclocking his ecc ram to run higher speeds but he was saying it was counter productive since the ecc would have to flip the instability errors instead of actual errors so its not as efficient to do
it was about oc not about memory speed itself

>>103107479
Just get a 6400 CL30 kit and downlock.

>>103108040
The upper one is more expensive but both are too expensive.

thank fuck for tech jesus honestly
level1s are "shit nobody cares about" enthusiasts and i can't tolerate derßisser's voice and accent

>>103108013
yes
>>103107973
>cpu cooler
peerless assassin or phantom spirit
>fan
arctic p12/max

Going to upgrade to the 9800x3d, what are my choices for a mobo? I need:
>ATX
>decent amount of USB ports
>2 m.2 slots, even better if 3
>must be white
>line in (or some way to integrate it for a board that doesn't have it)
Any tips? I was looking at the STRIX X870-A, but no line in sadly and it's kind of a deal breaker

>>103108085
>shit nobody cares about
bro, Wendell is the guy who Tech Fiona wishes xe was. he's the guy who sets up the data centers and specs them out.
to him, consumer stuff is just an amusement.

>>103107933
4k doesnt require a strong cpu
get whichever one is most affordable, even a ryzen 5 7600 will be fine
altough usually the 8000 series cpus are only for no gpu builds, ryzen 9 is only for productivity, and 7800x3d seems to be completely out of stock everywhere
try to get a 7600x3d or a 7700x i guess

>>103108104
Asrock X870 Pro RS

>>103108085
>unironically watching tech shrek after he trooned out
>complaining about der8aurer's voice and accent while listening to a troon

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>>103108124
No line in, sadly

>>103108104
line in? you mean like spdif or optical?
what are you using it for?

>>103108104
MSI MAG Tomahawk X870 is probably the best bang for the buck.

>>103108137
top jack is line in

>>103107933
you need a faster cpu for higher framrates. hence why consoles with lesser cpus can do 1200p+ at 30fps but can’t do 60fps consistently, even with a lower resolution

>>103108131
when did steve troon out?

>>103108159
tech shrek was the fat retard from LTT

>>103108153
Yeah I know. I just wanted to get in on the am5 platform. My brother had a intel 12400 that would constantly crash on games or give him issues so I gave him my 5800x3d. I plan on getting a 9800x3d when they're readily available though. I just want to know if the 7600 is a good stop gap?

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intel really hasnt had anything for games for 3 gens now

>>103108174
no. it’s better to get the current cpus, at least the 8 cores like the 9800X/X3D it 265k

9900x worth getting for first am5 while I wait for a better x3d?

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>>103108171
what are the chances that two separate retards thought i was talking about the ltt troon instead of stev--

>>103108178
They're more general use oriented, if you do intensive editing or software work and like to game they're the go to, when they're not literally melting at least

>>103108137
Gigabyte X670E AORUS PRO X seems to fit the bill but it also seems to be unavailable.
NZXT N7 B650E is the next closest.
I don't know why it would be a dealbreaker however, surely there's line in to usb adaptors or even internal soundcards that have it.

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>>103108140
I'm autistic and exclusively play with headphones on since I'm in a rented room and don't want other people to listen to what I'm listening. For pc is not an issue, but for consoles I have my screen connected to my current mobo with a 3.5mm male-male using the screen's headphones port and the pc's line in (blue one), so the audio is reproduced through the headphones connected to my pc
>Can't you just use different heapdhones/connect the ones you have on pc to the screen?
Yes, but first of all, I'm not buying two pairs of the same headphones, second, I'm too lazy to swap them around and third, that creates more problems for when I'm playing and talking with friends on discord
>>103108149
That's mic, and I made the mistake of using that one instead of line in once, and the audio quality was awful no matter what I tried to fix it
>>103108145
Still no line in, plus it's not white

>>103108208
they haven't been the go-to since the 5950X

>>103108186
Oh fuck, my bad there, my brain somehow read tech fiona instead of tech jesus
Still, I can't actually stand his voice, can't explain why but it reminds me of a grater

>>103108180
I can pick up a 7600 for 120 locally. Should I go for that or just wait longer and keep saving up for a 9800x3d? I have the money for it, but I'm also planning on buying a case during the black friday sales.

>>103108214
>I'm autistic and exclusively play with headphones on since I'm in a rented room and don't want other people to listen to what I'm listening. For pc is not an issue, but for consoles I have my screen connected to my current mobo with a 3.5mm male-male using the screen's headphones port and the pc's line in (blue one), so the audio is reproduced through the headphones connected to my pc
i get it now
if you dont mind spending more money why dont you buy an external dac (either one with 2 inputs for your console and pc with 1+ output for your headphones or just get a usb/kvm switch connect it to the dac and connect the console and pc into the kvm switch)

>>103108267
wait for holiday season to get the 9800X/X3D and 4080SUPER
also geforce 50 comes in january which is bullshit because they know all the savings for the stuff available right now but then release something right after holidays

>>103108145
Which mobos should I generally stay away from/avoid on x870e?

Is the ASRock X870E Nova a good pick for its price and features?

Taking money out of the equation, is upgrading to the 9800X3D from 7800X3D worth the hassle of swapping out a CPU?
>>103107730
I think you should uninstall your spyware extension.

>>103108321
I mean you can probably subsidize your upgrade by selling the 7800X3D for $300. the lows are insane.

>>103108213
>Gigabyte X670E AORUS PRO X
Fuck that looked great, but it somehow only has one type c
>NZXT N7 B650E
Should probably have written it, I'm looking for an x670/e mobo. Especially if the B650/E equivalent costs almost the same or more...
>>103108279
I actually know almost nothing about dacs and kvms, but if they do the job getting one is a trade off I'm more than willing to accept. Do you have any recommendations?

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>>103107272
9800X3D runs several degrees cooler while drawing more power

>>103108364
why do they have such high idle power consumption

>>103108364
its just the l3 cache being at the bottom so it no longer insulates the chip and they can up the volts

>>103108368
I/O die is full power all the time

>>103108343
>I actually know almost nothing about dacs and kvms, but if they do the job getting one is a trade off I'm more than willing to accept. Do you have any recommendations?
a dac is basically an audio chip, your motherboard has one too, an external dac has an audio chip inside it, where it wont have as much electrical noise interference
what is your budget and what console are you using?

>>103108368
The table is not during idle but during cinebench

>>103108377
oh, my mistake

>>103108285
ASRock X870E Nova is by far the best deal of the whole X870(E) line-up. Just make sure you get it for it's MSRP of $349 or only little more. I got mine the very moment it appeared at mindfactory for €347. Now sold for €376 there.

>>103108382
All the ASRock boards are sold out now, guess we gotta wait for restock and hope they don't raise the price.

>>103107529
>1% lows mog some cpu's average
Lmao holy fuck

>>103107883
bro dont be part of the problem

>>103108321
>uninstall spyware
thanks I'm a little retarded, any good resources tho for quick price compares?

>>103108400
> wait for restock
That's a good idea unless you urgently need a board. And wait for the price hike to end.

Why should I get an x870 when b650e exists?
I legit don't understand all the mobo shit.

>>103108428
get what you like or what you’ve looked into

>>103108428
You shouldn't
X870 is a straight rebrand of B650E

>>103108375
I was trying to keep the whole upgrade below £1000 if possible, for CPU, mobo, ram and waterblock, maybe fans with better static pressure for the rads too (using a custom loop with a 360mm and a 280mm rads). Let's say that anything around £100 works, even better if less than that
All I know about dacs is that they are needed if you have some high end headphones, which is definitely not my case since I'm using a pair of RØDE NTH-100 (which I'll be replacing soon though, since the build quality is shit and they're literally being held together with some tape) and that I currently have connected with the Apple dac (the usb c -> 3.5mm dongle for ipads/iphones) which is the reason I need a mobo with two usb c ports (I have a usb splitter in the second one)
As for the consoles, mainly Switch and PS5, but I do hook my PS3 every now and then

>>103108368
>why do they have such high idle power consumption

Check the test setup of the review. From the top of my head techpowerup used a X670E motherboard (double southbridge) with fuck tons of VRMs, a 420mm radiator, and a RTX 4090. That all uses 40-50W on its own before you even reach the CPU.

And like others said, I/O die adds some extra, but that's only like +5W more compared to monolithic chips. When I went from 3600 to 5600G, it only saved 5W in idle power, but removing my RX480 saved 15W in idle, allowing me to go from 60W idle to 40W idle on a modest (10 phase) B550 board. (if I removed my shitloads of add-on cards I could go down to ~25W idle)

>>103108370
I/O die only uses ~5W more than monolithic, but using a 4090 in the test gives +22W in idle alone.

>>103108104
>line in
Only the strix x670e-a has it

>>103108428
Only if you need USB4 or want the exceptional features of the Nova that no other board has.

WHAT TIME WILL IT DROP!
I WANT TO BEAT SCALPERS!

>>103108028
I thought about a 27 inch 2k oled for a comparable price but I really prefer 32 inch monitors and I'm very scared of OLED's organic component degradation and burn in chance

>>103108214
get a U24XL, alternatively just get a 3.5mm stereo to stereo splitter, by far the cheapest option

>>103108528
look at rtings burn in tests, they last a really long time even after over a year of 24/7 abuse at max brightness and power draw

>>103108364
>L3 cache on top was adding 10c
Holy shit lmao

>>103108441
>As for the consoles, mainly Switch and PS5, but I do hook my PS3 every now and then
this is the problem, not sure about the ps3 but the ps5 and switch use UAC 1.0 on their usb ports, which is a standard thats decades old and was replaced with UAC 2.0 which has greater fidelity, the switch and ps5 cannot recognize UAC 2.0 dacs, its a stupid decision made by them, one of the reasons they do it is to promote pseudo-proprietary business, because you will need to buy their UAC 1.0 headphones

thats okay though because a lot of dacs can switch to UAC 1.0 mode, you just cant have both at the same time, so when you wanna use audio from your consoles you will need to switch the dac to UAC 1.0 which shouldnt take a long time

one example is a cheap but recommended dac like the moondrop dawn pro, it can switch from UAC 2.0 to UAC 1.0 with just a click https://old.reddit.com/r/inearfidelity/comments/1bvzk57/just_got_moondrop_dawn_pro_how_can_i_change_to/lj6hlet/


you connect your headphones to the moondrop dawn pro, then you connect the moondrop dawn pro into a usb switch with a usb cable that has ferrite beads, what ferrite beads/cores do is help reduce electrical interference which otherwise would hurt the noise coming from sources into the headphones

we have the usb c to usb a and the usb c to usb c cables from digirig that you can try to find
https://digirig.net/product/short-usb-a-to-usb-c-cable/
https://digirig.net/product/short-usb-c-to-usb-c-cable/

anyway buy those with the moondrop dawn pro
https://www.amazon.com/MOONDROP-Pro-Protable-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B0CFQS2B6L

as for the usb switch you will need those ferrite cables to connect pc and consoles to the usb switch also so thats 5 cables total i think (check all the inputs you need on pc and consoles prior), generally any kvm switch should work but you should look into that im not certain

>>103108364
I want to know how much you can undervolt this mothersucker

>>103108517
about tree fiddy

So has amd beaten the zen5 fraud allegations?

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SOON
Damn leafbucks exchange rate

>>103108517
>no preorder
This makes me worried about how much supply will actually be available on launch.

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>>103108607
They committed fraud by shipping a cpu with a gimped memory systerm in zen5 non-3d
I feel bad for anyone who bought a 9950x because of picrel

>>103108612
What's with the before-the-current-millennium company name typeset?

>>103108607
yes and no, the IOD is bottlenecking Zen5.
in Cinebench, because Cinebench isn't affected by cache the 9800X3D has a 7% uplift over the 9700X despite the same clocks... so the fact is AMD should have made a new IOD for Zen5 when they figured out the IF wasn't keeping up.

>>103108585
>this is the problem, not sure about the ps3 but the ps5 and switch use UAC 1.0 on their usb ports, which is a standard thats decades old and was replaced with UAC 2.0 which has greater fidelity, the switch and ps5 cannot recognize UAC 2.0 dacs, its a stupid decision made by them, one of the reasons they do it is to promote pseudo-proprietary business, because you will need to buy their UAC 1.0 headphones
Would that really matter though in my case, since I'm connecting my tv's audio to my mobo and not my consoles? Thanks for all the write up also

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I've got an old 2600K that I want to fire up for the first time in years. No cooler, though. I'd like to try overclocking it. What would you recommend? Are any AIOs worth it or should I just get a heatsink like a Noctua or Hyper 212 with a couple decent fans? Willing to spend around 100 but not much more than that. It's in an Antec 300 case.

>>103108585
>what ferrite beads/cores do is help reduce electrical interference which otherwise would hurt the noise coming from sources into the headphones
Anon are you really trying to sell your snake oil here?

>>103108665
>Would that really matter though in my case, since I'm connecting my tv's audio to my mobo and not my consoles? Thanks for all the write up also
its generally better to connect your audio equipment to the source rather than the tv
for example if i had a ps5, a tv and some speakers
i would connect the speakers to a dac which would connect to the ps5, and then only the hdmi would be connected to the tv, thus no sound going through the tv but only to the speakers themselves

>>103108656
Wait so even 9800x3d is being held back? Lmao

>>103108682
no, the v-cache exposed the IOD bottleneck by removing it. see >>103108647
GN thinks that the 4090 is bottlenecking the 9800X3D.

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>>103108680
>snake oil
what youre referring to is external orb shit that you put near an audio source or clamp on to a cable
that type of stuff is bullshit, ferrite cores built onto usb on the other hand is real and any audiophile will confirm so, ask google even

>>103108692
>any audiophile will confirm so
So it's snake oil, got it

>>103108682
Its avx512 units are being held back for sure. The author of y-cruncher says that zen5 needs ddr5-20000mt/s memory to feed the avx512 at full throttle without bottlenecking

>>103108696
i dont mean the type of audiophiles that buy thousand dollar cables, i mean the normal kind
(i know its hard to imagine that they exist)

>>103108679
The 2024 air cooling value champ is Thermalright: Phantom Spirit, Peerless Assassin

>>103108696
anon it's real and they're cheap
the real snake oil is $10k power cords

>>103108728
>>103108701
>my cheap snake oil is better than the expensive one!

>>103108740
but its not snake oil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrite_bead

>>103108740
cheap enough for fucking sony to give you one with piss3 controller cables

When should we expect 9800X3D listings?

>>103108776
24 hours after review embargo is lifted
maybe 6 hours ahead of that on certain retailers like newegg

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>>103108740
magnetic inductance is real, however I doubt any usb cable would ever receive any because the cable itself is shielded.

>>103108746
no but it is un-necessary.

>>103108760
pretty sure thats a legal requirement. HDMI cables you get with monitors have ferrules but ones you buy individually do not.

6000MT CL30 still the go to for the 9800x3d?

>>103108796
6000cl28 is

>>103108796
only if you don't want to pay more for 6000CL28 and want an easy time setting up your ram

>>103108784
>no but it is un-necessary.
depends, ive seen quite a few posts of people having issues with audio that went away when they got a ferrite usb

>>103108808
>>103108813
Should I try my luck and buy a cl30 kit to overclock to cl28, or just get a cl28 straight away then? My current ram was rated for 3600cl18 for example, but I've been running it at cl16 since ever

>>103108702
paste?

Does anyone here have the Lian Li O11 Air Mini?

>>103108822
those cl28 kits are binned to do that at 1.40v
you can easily do cl28 on any random hynix kit if you give it enough voltage though

>>103108796
>>103108808
>>103108813
>>103108822
you have been doomed to listening to buildzoid rant for 15 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgb8N23tsfA

>>103108818
yeah okay but these are the same people who buy ferrite optical cables.
>I CAN TOTALLY HEAR THE DIFFERNCE BRO

>>103108836
I love listening to buildzoid.

>>103108842
good
because you have to do it now

>>103108846
yay!

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>>103108796
>>103108808
>>103108813
When are people going to learn that VCache makes RAM scaling worth almost nothing?

Should I spend £100 on a better looking mobo?

>>103108868
>he said, while posting an image that shows a small albeit real difference

>>103108702
Thanks for the advice. I did some research and I'm going with the PS SE. Hopefully cool and quiet.
>>103108824
I'm going with Noctua NT-H2.

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>>103108868
when are people going to learn that hardware unboxed are retarded

>>103108838
you mean toslink? those dont really require ferrites cause theyre already immune to electrical interference, theoretically its better than coaxial but it has lower fidelity than coaxial
both still do the same thing which is transport digital data through it into a dac it doesnt matter that much as long as youre not having any electrical interference
though for me i prefer usb with ferrite compared to either of those
no electrical interference and 32bit 384khz is good
>>I CAN TOTALLY HEAR THE DIFFERNCE BRO
you cant really hear the difference in cables since theyre all just digital data but you can hear the difference in electrical interference

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>Waiting® for Ryzen CPUs with new IOD & faster FCLK
>Waiting® for DDR5/6 platform with no janky boot/MCR issues
>Waiting®? for a better Intel desktop CPU
>Waiting® for GTA6 PC release
Waitchads™ cannot stop winning, the parts will just keep on getting better.

>>103108892
>you can hear the difference in electrical interference

if theres any* i mean

>>103108894
this poor frog is doomed to wait™ forever

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Just upgrading Mobo and CPU, is everything new compatible? Thanks.

Motherboard
MSI z370 something

CPU
I5- 8400

Ram
Corsair Vengeance 2x8 16 GB DDR4

PSU
Evga Supernova 650 gm

GPU
Rtx 2080

Case
Corsair™ 460X RGB

Forgot what the SSDs were but I have two, no way they are incompatible right?

Will be replacing MOBO and CPU with:
-AMD Ryzen 5 5600 6-Core, 12-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler
-MSI B550-A PRO ProSeries Motherboard

Is everything compatible? Is there anything I should add/subtract to get the most bang for buck? Should I jump to AM5 and MOBO? That means I have to upgrade Ram too right?

>>103108894
Waitfags cannot stop waiting

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>>103108901
No new great games to play, MHWilds isn't a great leap from World. And my current PC can run it just fine.

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guess that's going to be a pricey upgrade...

someone give me a 9800x3d build. im going to microcenter tomorrow and have a 2k budget

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>>103108894
>Waiting® for Ryzen CPUs with new IOD & faster FCLK
AMD would be smart to release Zen5+ next year with a new IOD, but I doubt it will happen.
next release will be Zen6 in 2026 which will not only have CCD improvements but also have its new IOD and be packaged as an SOC like Strix Halo.

>>103108910
but mr. frog... what are you going to do when your current PC runs out of steam... parts don't last forever... one day, you will be forced to stop waiting™

>>103108919
Go full-retard and buy the white Dominator Platinum RGB memory kit.
You're already paying a white Strix tax anyway.
If it's worth tarding, it's worth tarding right.

>>103108902
Can someone tell me what the cheapest AM5 cpu is? The more I google, the more confused I get. Should I just get the cheapest AM5 cpu and mobo instead? Is my PSU enough?

>>103108936
>platinum
Those are black only and you meant the titanium, right?

>>103108930
what do you need? everything?

Has anyone tried the newer version of the G2724D?

>>103108937
7500F would technically be the cheapest if availability isn't an issue. This one has no integrated GPU.
Then it's the 7600, but get the 7600X if the price difference isn't too much (within $10). The chip quality varies a lot and you're paying a small fee to avoid the worst 7600.
>But yields are mature!
There's always going to be variance in performance & power characteristics because a single chip wafer goes through hundreds of manufacturing processes.

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>>103108878
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/26.html
Going from DDR5-6000 36-36-36-76 to 6200 1:1 at 28-36-36-72 results in 0.2s difference in most apps (TPU couldn't even get their CPU lotto sample to POST crash free at 6400 or up). That's 1% on average like-for-like with PBO enabled both ways which you could get yourself just from run-to-run variance. Even if they got it work 24/7 @ 8000 that's ~2% over basic EXPO 6000CL30.

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>>103108941
yes, that one. do it.

>>103108944
everything except an SSD yes. I am just retiring my last build which was ryzen 5

>>103108892
>no electrical interference and 32bit 384khz is good
>>I CAN TOTALLY HEAR THE DIFFERNCE BRO
hhahahahahahhahaahhah holy shit really just hahahaha he really just mocked someone for believing in snake oil right after doing the >16bit >44.1khz meme hahahahahahaha holy shit lmao

>>103108965
>7500F
Okay, so the post you are replying to is related to this post too >>103108902
Does everything make sense?

>>103108930
9800x3d
am5 mobo with wifi+bt
DOMINATOR® PLATINUM RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 DRAM 7800MT
noctua d15 gen 2 cooler
rtx 5090
4tb 990 pro nvme ssd
fractal north case
Corsair HX1000i psu

>>103108977
I'd keep your current GPU and upgrade in February.

>>103108968
TPU doesn't know how to tune RAM either
yeah no shit going from 6000C30 to 6200C28 does nothing but it doesn't do anything on ANY CPU
you only changed the primary timings
the goal is to reduce memory latency and that's still relevant on V-cache chips, even if they have a higher baseline at the start

>>103108965
Wow, so it seems like about 300CDN can cover the AMD 5 5600 and a mobo whereas if I go to AM5, 300 bucks only covers the CPU.

>>103108973
Hah, trick question, I know they are two different kits with different aesthetics. You won't make me spend £30 on nothing. I'm actually considering saving £150 on the mobo and get the ASRock X870 Pro RS WiFi instead of the Strix

>>103108982
If you're moving up to AM5, you need a new DDR5 memory kit, at least a CL30 6000MT/s.
Your PSU, storage, and video card will work fine with the AM5 system.
You should probably back up the OS drive and do a clean install.

>>103108997
Not that guy, but you just missed some pretty good deals on newegg. Stalk the combos and you could get a nice entry am5 build for 390 or so.

>>103108930
You're expecting to be able to pick one up without lining up? I can get to my nearest microcenter by like noon but haven't done it before and don't know if it'll be available

>>103108979
if you cant hear the difference between 16 bit 44khz and 32 bit 768khz you are deaf
its like those people that say onions taste good, no your tastebuds are just too numb and not strong enough to realize that shit smells like shit and doesnt taste good at all

>>103108956
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/7b853d27
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/70f53486
Seems like an alright bump in refresh rate (165Hz to 180Hz) and instead of 8-bit it's 8-bit + FRC.

>>103108997
yeah thats why I can't go AM5 in Australia as a poorfag

>>103109010
>you need a new DDR5 memory kit, at least a CL30 6000MT/s.
Got it.
>You should probably back up the OS drive and do a clean install.
Yup, got the windows 10 usb lol
>>103109011
>get a nice entry am5 build for 390
What do this mean? CPU and mobo combo? From my pov, as someone who only upgrades once fresh reformats still don't feel fast, every 5ish years, I feel like AMD 5600 and a new mobo is such a good deal lol. I don't mind paying more for a whole new computer but this 300 CDN seems like a good price for a good solid upgrade.

>>103109033
I am behind in computer stuff cause I only look at this stuff once every 5-7 years for a whole new desktop tower but this is my first time just upgrading. I think it is worth it to pay more so your upgrade in the future is cheap af like mine.

>>103109015
hahahahaha you dumb fucking niggger your audio files' bit depth and sample rate is already fixed hahahahahaha
even when it comes to recording oversampling is a fucking meme
your ears are getting worse with age and there's no going back buddy, soon you won't be able to perceive (not hear, perceive) anything above 10k kHz
hahahahha stupid fucking nigger

>>103108999
>You won't make me spend £30 on nothing
It's personal taste but I think the Dominator kit is one of the best-looking RGB memory modules.
The biggest downside is the iCue software, but you picked a Vengeance RGB kit anyway.
£30 extra isn't a big deal if you own the system for at least 4~6 years.

>>103109056
>I think the Dominator kit is one of the best-looking RGB memory modules.
Yet you failed to notice how the Dominator Titanium and Platinum are completely different looking
You won't have me

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>>103107272
What's the best cost-effective case currently?

>>103108993
>the goal is to reduce memory latency and that's still relevant on V-cache chips, even if they have a higher baseline at the start
Well then how far do you have to push the RAM to see something meaningful?

>>103108577
More than that since the 7800x3d also draws less power
Probably more in the tune of 15-25°c

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>>103109071
They're just different colors, the heat spreader & rgb design is the same.
I'm not a Corsair rep so I didn't know they had different names for their white kits.
I'm more familiar with GSkill, XPG Lancer, Klevv, and Teamgroup kits. They don't have separate names for a white stick.

>>103109087
i don't have a definitive answer for DDR5
fix tFAW/tRRDL/tRRDS
fix tRAS/tRC
fix tRFC/tREFI
fix tRDRDSCL/tWRWRSCL

actually you know what just go here and copy buildzoid's timings
https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831
done
everyone cheers