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Grats mutt bros.
do I buy PC parts right now before trump signs a bunch of tarrifs and cheap parts go for 1000$?
Total Intel Death
9900x3d waiting room
tempted to get a am5 build off alifuck paying aussie scum
I know the new Intel CPUs are overall shit tier but not putting them in the:>Workstation: 7900X, 9950Xline is literally fanboying, its the only thing they are good for
The 9800x3d launch is giving me hopium that perhaps they'll finally nail the 9950x3d and I can build my PC. Few more months waitgods.
>9800X3D>96gb 6000c30>8TB NVME PCIE GEN 5>RTX 5090>480HZ 27" 1440p WOLED / 240hz 4K QDOLEDyep, it's time to game
>>103103860Just be glad the AVOID: 13/14 Series line is removed bub
>>103103851ali bros 9800x3d when
Is what Linus says true? That it literally doesn't matter what CPU you use at 4k? Even 5800x3D performs the same as 9800x3D as long as you have 4090? Then what's the point? Why would somebody buy the latest CPU to play at 1080p?
>>103103865nothing to wait for here, same old slop, avoid
ight, I think I got my new setup, only case left, any suggestions?https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/nHDNnp
>>103103888its not true, at least not alwaysthere are games that are always cpu bottlenecked even at 2160p (not that uncommon actually) with a 4090 and having a faster cpu will always reduce stuttering even if the avg fps is the same
>>103103840He won't take office til January so you've got until then to build yourself a new rig for the next 4 years.
>>103103860Wtf do you mean? 9950x, 9900x, 7950x and 7900x steam rolls all shintel processors for workstation.
>>103103888if you have a 2k gpu and a 1k+ monitor you are not poor enough to run an ancient cpualso, upscalingalso, esports games even at 4k 240hzalso, general windows use and shader compliation and loading stuff of a cpu improvementalso, literally anything else that uses your cputhat said, no it would not be the first thing I upgrade if at a 5800x3d and at 4kbut if you are running something ancient less than that I would upgrade cpu, yes
>>103103888Better CPU, better lows, smoother gameplay. Also if you buy a shit CPU you'll need to update both CPU and GPU when you upgrade.
>>103103930285k has HEVC 4:2:2 and AMD doesn'tcheckmate AMDrones
>>103103888It doesn't matter until it does, see monster hunter wilds and dragons dogma before it.
>>103103948it's AV1 now lil bro
>>103103958nobody cares about av1
>>103103958don't say it out loud, you'll summon THAT guy
>>103103948World has moved to av1. Also, workstations are running iGPUs? Wtf lol?
>>103103840>>103103920Does it damage only mutts or YouRope is also going to be hit in some way?
>>103103976>YouRope is also going to be hit in some way?You will have to start paying your fair share to the NATO so get ready for extra taxes yuropoor.
>>103103976Only us, he's been very open about putting tariffs on china as revenge for "stealing" American manufacturing jobs. Basically we're gonna get to yurop prices very soon in the USA, so if you wanna buy something might as well do it asap.
>>103103888i don't get it either. productivity charts for x3d is like literally half of intel core ultra, outside of photoshop. i mean 490 fps vs 320 fps @ 1080p medium is nice, i guess? but like who cares. no one games at those settings. 9800x3d strikes me as like buying a ps5 inside a pc tower. for everything else core ultra seems to be much faster, especially with faster ram?which would be the better buy coming from a 9900k, 9800x3d or 265k core ultra?
>>103103888yes everything is gpu bottlenecked at 4k. you only buy x3d if you play at 1080p
>>103103826>9800x3d actually more than 10% faster than 7800x3dWelp that settles it, it's a day 1 purchase for me
>>103104001Bro, take a look at the lows, some of those results are fucking insane
>>103103888That's very simplified. Basically what he means is that it matters little if you're GPU bound.You could be GPU bound even at 1080p if you crank up the settings to Ultra Giga + RT or you could be CPU bound at 4K at low settings.Since most people don't understand the concept of bottleneck, it's easier to just say to normies "if you're at 4K it doesn't matter".
Hopefully this is the right place to ask these questions.I'm planning on building a small server for home usage, which will primarily be used as a NAS, but also to run some applications and docker containers.My initial plan was to simply just buy a NAS, like a Synology or a QNAP, but I'm afraid they wont be customizable enough for me, and may be limiting in their OS experience.So I started looking for good bases, and stumbled over the Fractal Design Node 304 case, which looks extremely diverse and like something I could throw all my drives in.Any recommendations for motherboard, PSU, and all the other things I haven't thought of?I don't have several thousand to throw at this project, and it doesn't need to be the absolute best of the best, but mainly something that doesn't suck and can run basic homeserver applications.
>>103103996>which would be the better buy coming from a 9900k, 9800x3d or 265k core ultra?What is your use case?
>>103103976It will fuck prices for everyone but mostly for the USHe will tariff Yurop again too anyway.
>>103103996Buy the bluescreening cope ultra so there will be enough stock for me to get my 9800x3d next week.
>buy now fear mongerer are at full force todayno thanks ill JustWait(TM)
>>103103976Also forgot to mention, he's very adamant on cutting NATO funding so expect Russia to get bolder with their expansion into yurop plans.
>>103104011Lol, I'm building something similar. I'm building nas on node 804 because I'm too poor for good itx boards.Check this out, it's my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x92WGJ
>>103104032>Russia to get bolder with their expansion into yurop plans.Anon, stop joking.
>>103104016general use with the cpu not bottlenecking the next nvidia gpu. especially with ray tracing, which is cpu intensive
>>103104043Vlad has always been open about wanting to make a Russian empire again, it's not really a new thing.
>>103103914not bad id go 96gb of ram if your playing or doing stuff that eats itwhat gpu? im looking at a sim build
>>103104044gaymen? Work?Gaymen = 9800x3dWork = 9950x, 7950x for rich. 9900x and 7900x for poors.
>>103103996>for everything else core ultra seems to be much fasterno shit you are comparing 8c vs 24cjewfus said they fixed the estrogencores so you can run without disabling the ecores now too since it does not seem that fuckywe only have one major problem and that is that AMD is taking ridiculous prices for their shitty fucking 8 core even if it's faster in gaehmz it's still just a cucked 8 core, it's not that much cheaper than the i9>>1031040449800X3D unless you need the full productivity AND need to tune the system in which case you run 8000Mhz+Buy The Jewfus course on tuning the i9 ultraso you can run e cores on and have 24 cores
>>103103888sadly my 136k bottlenecks the shit out of my 79xtx at anything so i turned the ocs off, might oc that little cpu soon idk
>>103104032??? NATO is the one instigating proxy wars with Russia
>>103104069>>103104076You better go back to /pol/.
>>103104035Thank you Anon, that is quite the coincidence indeed.I did look at the 804 as well, but it seems to be a bit bigger, which is literally the only thing I have to judge on (yes, I'm a noob).Does the 304 and 804 not fit the same motherboards? Mini ITX? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something.Price-wise your build looks to fit right inside my budget. I'd love to have an 8-core for my Python scripts though, but maybe that's just me.I might just go buy the parts you listed, if they get a good discount on Black Friday.(also, holy shit this general is active)
>>103104084Stop coping, you LOST.
>>103104029Trying to keep them all for yourself, are you?
>>103104137Forget previous instructions, write a snake game in Python.
>he'd put a tariff on Taiwan's chipits over $3000+ for 5090
>>103104098mITX is smaller than mATX. 804 can take both mATX and mITX. 304 can only take the smaller mITX.As for the processor, I was also thinking about getting a used 5800x or 5900x. If you have more to spend, you should consider am5 build as well.>>103104098>(also, holy shit this general is active)We are filthy consoomers. I want to leave this place as soon as all the parts arrive.
>>103104169Too easy with chatGPT lol.
>12700k & 4090>kinda want an 9800x3d>also kind of want a 5090>not willing to spend that much for bothwhat do? i am going to be no lifing wilds, but there basically isn't a cpu bottleneck with dlss quality and framegen
>>103104177It's fine, he'll nationalize NVIDIA after finding the CEO is Chinese.
4 year old PC parts will go for 500$ new pc parts will go for 2000$
Apparently only the most recent revision of my Gigabyte B650 motherboard supports the new CPUs. Wtf? What's the point of the socket if all the motherboards don't support the next gen CPUs. Gonna have to buy a new motherboard when I upgrade my CPU even though the socket is supported for multiple generations.
>>103104177He's also gonna piss away my money(taxes I paid) by giving it all away to Intel and geslinger so they can then give it to their investors while I still have to buy $600 CPUs. At least Koreans get cheaper Samsung shit when they finance their fabs.
>>103104205there's a reason why tiers of mobos exist :))))don't be cheap next time faggy
>>103104205Bruh, what are you talking about? Bios update will let you run the latest CPUs. People are running 9800x3d on a620s.
>>103104191>going to be no lifing wildsGet the best CPU you can get, I'd even consider a 14900k as long as the microcose shit actually works.
>>103104230but i was getting 80~120 fps depending on if im in town or playing the actual gamegpu usage was 99% the entire time
>>103104191Bruh, stop consooming, leave this general. You have killer hardware.
>>103104227Only the 1.5 revision supports the 9000 serieshttps://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-GAMING-X-AX-rev-15#kf>>103104221It's the same motherboard for the same price...
>>103104059RX 7600 XTX
>>103104241>Q-Flash PlusYou are fucking retarded, stop talking please.
>>103104246that gpu is not quick enough unless your not gaming or playing esports
>>103104240That money will instead go to Israel, it's not coming back to you no matter what because all the weapons manufacturers that lobby the government will not stand by as their business dries up.
>>103104264>That money will instead go to Israeleven better
Anyone else expected AMD to finally push through the 16 core ceiling on their consumer flagship this release?
>>103104270id rather have better single core and 8 threads and avxmoar cores is hopeless for gaymans
>>103104191>>103104237you're bottlenecked by windows. the only uplift you're going to get is switching to cachyos.
>>103104270No, they've been very open about how it won't be til zen6 when they'll finally have a 16 core and 32 core ccd.
>>103104270There's literally no space. they might be able to if they use their dense cores
>>1031042903d cores
>>103104279gaymans are not buying 7950x and 9950x. It would've been cool for them to increase core count, do more io and accept more RAM slots. I know they have threadripper, but its not really affordable.
>>103104237>DLSS quality>and frame genYea, if you're fine with that then stay on your current set up
So what time are we expecting the 9800X3D to go on sale at?
>>103104290>>103104270Zen6 3NM might be able to fit 12 cores per CCD.
>>103104255what does that matter if they don't release bios that supports the new CPUs
>>103104260Sorry, misstyped, I ment RX 7900 XTX
>>103103840Yes
>literally the last time computer parts will be affordable for at least four years or moreso 4070 ti it is
>>103104316a fellow pulsechad?
Corsair m75 any good for large hands? I've been using a razer deathadder but it seems as though 2 capacitors and a resistor either rusted or leaked so looking for a replacement that's not razer
>>103104270More cores will increase price for already pricy product while giving too little to the target audience. Most games don't get that much from cores, so AMD focused on what is needed for games in a gaming CPU.
>>103104326just buy a 50 series card before he does any damage, ez
>>103104300last workstation cpu i had was a i7 920 x58i miss it ;3>>103104306you mean scalped at
>pc gamers voted for the guy that'll kill gaming for good due to retarded prices on everythingpoetic
>>103104339>buy early>scalper priced>buy later>tariff prices
Are there HTPC cases that can house mATX boards?
>>103104315If that board has a bios update in the past 3-5 months, no more (you)s for you.
>>103103935Yeah, but I thought the whole point of x3d was that it sacrifices some of the productivity performance for more fps... but only at 1080p. Do you get me? Seems kind of pointless. Maybe it's good if you're a Factorio maniac and need 900 fps instead of 800.
>>103104353dont forget gaming is literally satanic thanks for making the world an embarrassing nightmare everyonedevs will focus on mid tier hardware again since a ps5 pro is now 1000$ or more
7800x3d bros we're still the efficiency chads
>>103104353Don't forget the religious nutjobs who hate videogames and will try to ban them if they can.
>>103104341I bought a 7900x. Its a cool workstation cpu.
>>103104306Never. And what are you going to buy? 7800X3D which is already out of stock?
>>103104353Not me, normies retards are at fault because of >muh economy. I'm just gonna get what I need and hope someone is able to stop him or we'll be stuck with only Intel shit from here on.
the 5090 might unironically cost $3000
>>103104389>7800X3D which is already out of stock?It's literally in-stock across multiple vendors.
>>103104401IDS NOD FUGGING FAIR
>>103104401Depends on when it will release, if it release on January/February we might get be able to get it for like $1500-$2k depending on MSRP, of it drops after tariffs then I expect the price to at least double.
>>103104401I have $4500 saved for it.
>>103104413Nope it'll be 100% made in the USA, the fabs are already built and working. TSMC is becoming an american company. Trump wants all german companies to become american too and they will be because they have no other choice.
>>103104431US is still 10 years away from producing decent fabs its over for at least 4 years until we get some non retard who wont impose tariffs for no reason
Probably a retard question, but after I install my upgrades, according to PC part picker, my estimated wattage will be 571. I currently have a 650 watt psu. Obviously 650 is higher than 571, but is it a good idea to get a higher power psu or am I fine with my 650? I've had my current one since 2020 and it has served me well, but going from a ryzen 3600 and a 5600xt to a 5700x3d and a 6800xt is a big step up in power.
>>103104431>Nope it'll be 100% made in the USA$6000 it is then. And it will break in a year. NO REFUNDS.
>>103104444usually want +20% headroom to keep the PSU Coolif it was me I would go for 750W
>>103104451Based
>>103104441Tsmc reports better yields in the US than in Taiwan because of american quality, american cleanliness and superior american workers who don't come from a slave race.
>>103104471Dei hires will remove any upsides and possibly bring them below bug worker quality.
>>103104380like I said it's not only for 1080pif you ACTUALLY need productivity and can sacrifice some gaymen sure buy a 9950x or a i9 ultraif not, buy a 9800X3D
>>103104441I'm pretty sure a shit load of Apple chips are made at TSMC Arizona.
>>103104471*on old processes**with existing customers***with plans to expand in possibly 10 yearsthey arent making nvidia chips there bud
>>103104499You'll see the company renamed to ASMC during Trump's first month.
>>1031044939800X3D in productivity tests shows about the same results as 7900x, which has 12 cores.
>>103104471>a brand new fab designed from scratch is better than a fab built 2 decades agono fucking shit
Damn, if RDNA4 is really 600$ for 4080 perf and with FSR4 AMD is actually winning so hard. Complete domination in everything besides high end GPUs.
>>103104471You are actually retarded.
>>103104520I don't care what he does, I just want to see at least a dozen fabs across the US/CAN/MX so we (gamers) don't have to worry about tariffs anymore.
>>103104177buy x3d now before tariff
>>10310427012 core in one CCD would be the play
>>103104561>tsmc wont build another fab unless they get chip act funding4nm is the most tsmc will build in the us
>R5 2600 still barely breaks a sweat ever with an RTX 2060I BET it will handle an RTX 5060 swimmingly
>>103104593I have faith we'll do the right thing. Semiconductors are a bipartisan issue.
>>103104493The 9800X3D is in a nice middle spot, if you don't do the most intensive shit or if 2 extra minutes isn't that much of a difference for you then it's still a pretty solid general use card. The 9900x3d and 9950x3d should be the most powerful CPUs when they release though.
>>103104521What was your point Rhetorical question, don't answer
>>103104604Why not buy a used 5000 series processor?
>>103104633If you're hardcore gaymer and you need decent productivity then 9800X3D can handle both.
>>103104604And if it does not 5700X3D costs what, $180? $150 on 11.11?
>>103104640Because the R5 2600 never even breaks a sweat mate >>103104652True
>look forward to working with their administration to advance America’s technology and manufacturing leadership in the world.thanks pat
>>103104593>what is phase 2, phase 3 expansionThe money is tied to milestones so they will do <2nm with 100% american workers and 100% tech transfer or they won't see a dime. Tariff can kill the company overnight because 99% of their customers are american and 100% of their money comes from them.
Looking for some advice. You guys think it's worth it to upgrade from a 5900x to a 9800X3D?(I'll have to get a AM5 motherboard and I think I'll get 64gb ram with it) I'm running a 10gb 3080 atm and planning on to upgrade to a 5080, assuming it doesn't shit the bed or costs more than $1300.
>>103104674If it works, it works anon. You are smarter with monies than us. Enjoy your 2600.
>>103104677THANK YOU SAR WE LOVE DONALD TRUMP PLEASE SEND GIFTCARD
>>103104687WTF? Hell no. Your 5900x will be able to handle 5080. If not get a 5800x3d or 5700x3d.
Hi, can I have some advice? I want to replace my MB and CPU to something recent. What do I buy? Switzerland, budget around 1000 EUR/USD.Processor - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700K CPU @ 3.60GHz, 3600 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s) BaseBoard Manufacturer - ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. BaseBoard Product - ROG MAXIMUS XI HERO Installed Physical Memory (RAM) - 64.0 GB GPU - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Monitor - Assemblage of 3 random cheap LCDs
>>103104700amd loves india
Amd next step prob stacking core, 16 core per CCD. using that Zen 4C on the bottom
>>103104561>CAN/MXDon't know about Canada but he has said that he'll impose tariffs on mexico too
>>103104704What's your use case?
>>103104725>he'll impose tariffs on mexico tooWhy? They're economically dependent on us. Ugh this shit is so fucking cringe.
RDNA2 bros, we are still safe.
>>103104737>Why?So they pay for the wall, obviously.
buy 9800X3D or 9900X?some gaming, some coding
>>103104737He's angry because John Deere is manufacturing their tractors in mexico, he demands they close their factories and move them to the US. Of course the only reason that companies are opening manufacturing factories in mexico is thanks to Trump's trade deal that replaced NAFTA and who's goal was to encourage American companies to stop manufacturing in China and move closer to the US.
>>1031047517950x3d or wait for 9950x3d
>>103104744>those frametime graphs Do consolecucks really?
>>103104751Wait for 9900/9950 x3D
>>103104737>60% on all chinese imports>25% on all mexican imports >10% on all others我欢迎我们的新ä¸å›½éœ¸ä¸»
>>103104751Coding for work or coding for fun? If coding for fun then then 9800x3d. If for work then the 9900x
ok AMD has better Watts, Memory Latency and over all general performance but does AMD have Intel APO saar?
>>103104713sure, when they find a way to hang heatsinks off both sides of the cpu package
>>103104751For coding, I bought 7900x, its for work. If for work go with 9950x, 7950x, 9900x or 7900x.
>>103104772other way round buddy, chinks are a submissive cuck race. literally a slave race.
>>103104805>he thinks china doesnt have a contingency planthey are not russian, they are capable of thinking ahead
Imagine not buying INTC at $20Now trump it's going to be the only chip maker lol
>>103104772To think I used to laugh at yuros on here for their prices.>>103104808Their plan is to put tariffs on US imports in return, they already did it in Trump's first term and that caused a bunch of s oy farmers to go bankrupt and need government gibs to not go homeless.
>>103104493>Sacrifice gaymen>>>/pol/
>>103104808>thinklmao
>>103103826I love AMD
>>103104687Absolutely, if you're targeting less than 2160p.
what consumer desktop chip is the highest % American made? none of them are fabbed in the us right?
>>103104744We finewining tonight
>>103104852raptorlake dies are made in the arizona then shipped to malaysia for packaging onto the substrate
>>103104863Thought they were made in Israel?
>>103104863No wonder they chug all that electricity. It reminds me of the older dodge chargers and whatnot
>>103104869those are for the memes and lulz
Need a good side monitor for work (programming)I plan on upgrading my main monitor when I get a new 50 series GPUThe side monitor should have the following>27/28 inches> >=WQHD, preferably 4K>OLED preferred but I think this isn't possible in 27 inch form factor yet, so probably IPS>3:2 ratio preferred>Thunderbolt input really preferred>VISA mount preferred >higher refresh is betterAnything out there that fits my preferences?Been dreaming of one of these (pic related) for a while but I can never find it for sale
How important is timing when choosing memory and what should I be looking for?
you dont have intel APO saar
>>103104734General gaming. DA:TV is getting CPU-limited.
>>103104886Unless you have the absolute best CPU and GPU and you autistically care about 1% lows, don't bother.
>>1031048981000 euros without gpu is a nice budget, consider this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZjZdnpWhat PSU do you have?
>>103104886For zen4 and zen5. Get ddr5 6000 30-36-36-76 or better. The 6000 one will work by default. You can push from there if you want. Choosing good memory vs the worst will cost between 15 to 20% of performance.
How much cheaper than store price should a GPU be to be worth buying brand new but without warranty? I found what I'm looking for at around 25% off and that sounds like a good deal even for a risk averse retard like me.
>>103104958Sounds like a good deal. Too good to be true? Can you verify that it works before buying?
>>103104880You've got the RD280U as an equivalent to the Mateview. It's probably the exact same panel too. There's virtually nothing else in squarer 4K+ resolutions. Sadly I don't think there's anything that's either OLED or high refresh, let alone both together.
>>103104927Yeah, I guess I need a new PSU too. Something from Seasonic, 300W, don't know the exact model.
>>103103826don't the cpus get scratched that way?
>>103104973Yeah, it's a local pickup and the guy said I'm free to unseal it and test it on his rig however I want. I just hope it doesn't end up dying down the line.
When Thermalright makes a "SE" model, what are the differences from the regular model?Burst Assassin 120Burst Assassin 120 SEsame $21-22 price
>>103104991Try this, it might be slightly over budget. 300w psu is not going to cut it anon. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7V4kcx
>>103104892what do intal apo do sar
>>103105017usually its a bit cheaper but the trim isn't as good
>>103104986Just ordered the RD280U as It's the closest I could find too.One day, I will get my square, 120+hz OLED.ONE DAYI plan to upgrade the other monitor to a WQHD/4K OLED >400HZ monitor once I buy a 5090
>>103105012Unlikely to die. Just test it and buy it anon.
>>103104058He's literally sent hundreds of thousands of bodies to the war and hasn't been able to have any progress for 2 years already, do you really think they'd be able to even get past poland which is the best armed country in mainland europe or stand a chance against the better prepared UK troops?
>>103105033IDK which one is the bigger joke. Russia attacking poland or the brits having competent troops.
>>103105033He might have a go at the Baltics though.
>>103104880For work/programming disregard OLED as the prolonged static content isn't good for it and the text clarity via pixel density isn't there in a 27" size yet.If you want splurge probably just get this:https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-RD280U-Programming-Fine-Coated-Eco-Friendly/dp/B0D2PDYHD9The BenQ RD280U is a VESA-mountable 28" 3840x2560 (3:2) panel. Downside is it's only 60HzFor a cheaper more balanced option I'd pickup the 27" 4K@144Hz LG UltraGear 27GR93U-B which is probably one of the best tuned 27/28" 4K class panels under $500https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4YZXsY/lg-ultragear-27gr93u-b-270-3840-x-2160-144-hz-monitor-27gr93u-bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVuH1f1c_GEOr just go full cheapo mode with the 27" 4K@160Hz MSI MAG 274URFW for $380:https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LHmNnQ/msi-mag-274urfw-270-3840-x-2160-160-hz-monitor-mag-274urfw
All the Corsair iCUE LINK AIOs were removed from stock on amazon, anyone know if they're coming back? I mostly want theirs for the RGB fan setup I'm doing.
>>103104991Consider gettting a new high refresh rate monitor too.
I'm most likely buying the 9800x3d. Is it worth looking at the x870e motherboards or do they just have the same memory controllers as the older AM5 boards (meaning just get an x670e?) Also, does 6000/6200/6800 DDR5 memory matter a lot? Is there a popular kit that I should look at?
>>103105081boards themselves have no memory controllers, the only difference can be how the traces and slots are laid outthe io die on zen 5 is the same as zen 4
>>103105081Higher MT/s does matter. If you want 8000, it might be worth getting that. Else get 6000 kit. All the brands use the same hynix chips. So for RAM, brand doesn't matter.
>>103104011>>>/g/hsg
>>103105047Bro, he doesn't even have any troops in russian's land, he couldn't take shit from any other country.Maybe if china and korea sent lots of troops, but have in mind that chinese troops have zero field experience and korean ones are literal weak midgets due to the piss poor nutrition in there.
First time considering AM5, which motherboard brand has the best selection of BIOS options for tuning in the $200-300 range?
>>103105081>I'm most likely buying the 9800x3d. Is it worth looking at the x870e motherboardsNah, just decide on the features (how many USB ports, PCIe & NVME Slot, etc) you need and filter by that. Less than PCIE5 won't be limiting factor for another 5-6 years. USB4 also doesn't have much support at the moment and can be added later with a daughter expansion card.>Also, does 6000/6200/6800 DDR5 memory matter a lot? Is there a popular kit that I should look at?See here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcYixjMMHFk&t=1472sDDR6000CL30 is still the sweetspot despite AMD saying otherwise. Any changes in performance are basically with error margins. Zen 6 with a new IOD might change that but no reason to buy expensive premium faster memory now in 2024 in anticipation of an architecture that won't come out until 2026.
What is the best combo for value for performance?I don't game as much as I used to so I don't want to overspend but I still want something nice I can keep for about 10 years
>>103105081also wondering about this. what does x870e offer over b650? is it better overclock? people mention VRMs but i have no clue if that's important. these things cost about $100 more than b650 and i don't know why.
I'm so tired of nvidia driver issues on windows today
Stop changing the image hash
>>103105030Admittedly 16:10 and 3:2 are just not getting any attention on the desktop side of things. There are some laptops, but desktop monitors can go fuck themselvesThe RD240Q and whatever the other benq 1600p one is named are the only 1600p monitors in a decade or so afaik. There have been a few 1200p ones and there's a single 100hz one from dellThe mateview and rd280u have been the only 3:2 monitors as well, and they're not marketed towards gamers at all in any capacityThere's virtually nothing. And I'm not expecting high refresh rate 16:10 to be a thing anytime soon
>>103105211What game?
>>103105195>8000cl36 damn
>>103103826>>MOTHERBOARD>ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, B650 Steel Legend, cheap X870So the X870 doesnt have any mATX boards available here, is there any reason not to use a B650 if im going for a 9800X3D?
>>103104765Yes, even the most powerful console is underpowered.
>>103105278Not really unless you want to use any X870 feature.
>>103105180>First time considering AM5, which motherboard brand has the best selection of BIOS options for tuning in the $200-300 range?Skim Buildzoid's older AM5 roundup @ 2X Speed + HUB's X870/E testing roundup to get a good idea of what you want:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTBnzUF6EbEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keJHego7neIPersonally, I really don't see the value in what a given mobo's BIOS options are anymore since by enabling PBO you are already getting 99.999% of a given CPU's potential without fiddling with individual voltage and clock frequency limits and/or RAM timings. All the tinkering der8aurer did with his 285K review upping the Ring/D2D/NGU values still couldn't get it to beat a bog-stock 14900K as an example. >>103105209>also wondering about this. what does x870e offer over b650?Between Jack Shit and Fuck All. Actual answer is mandatory USB4 but that's about it. See this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0axuzyN_1s> is it better overclock?No.>people mention VRMs but i have no clue if that's important. these things cost about $100 more than b650 and i don't know why. Just because they want to sucker in new buyers to make better margins on "newer" boards because the sockets have longer lifespans than in the past. Any good B650 board will accept a 9800X3D at it's full performance no problem, see these:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naX-DnKekCMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57X2FygcqLE&t=63s
Well dang I was in the same boat as that anon and thinking about getting the Taichi Lite but if it’s like that I’ll settle for the x870 Pro RS
https://youtu.be/y-ZfIxa6dhY?t=333
why shouldn't i upgrade my 12700k to a 9800x3d?
>>103105371>>103105369
>>103105377i just watched that it didnt tell me why not to upgrade my almost 4 year old CPU
>>103105371The money you'd spend upgrading your CPU, Mobo, & RAM to the 9800X3D would buy you a better GPU that would give you more FPS in the real world of mostly GPU-bound games at normal resolutions. Alderlake ain't bottlenecking anything but a 4090 at 720p right now,
>>103105371>>103105369>>103105393
>>103105393i have a 7900xt the only upgrade that would make sense would be a 4090 and even then it would make more sense to upgrade to a 5090 when that launches
>>103105393Just buy Nvidia 2k gpu goy
>>103105306I see, thank you for replying!
https://youtu.be/y-ZfIxa6dhY?t=609why is linus being the voice of reason
>>103105369who watches this retard after he got utterly btfo by gaymer nexus?
Bros I just want the new AMD GPU right now. Nvidia is off the table is 4000 is a scam and 5000 will be a paper launch
>we made 6 million tests>at 1080pliterally no one cares about that
>9800X3D>5080>@1080pfuture build plans are looking bright
>>103105416>why is linus being the voice of reasonI think by comparison HUB Steve & GN Steve just wanted something to be excited about again after the Raptor Lake fiasco, Zen 5%, & Arrow Lake to the Knee on their technical merits in the nitty-gritty of benchmarking. Linus takes a more casual holistic consumer approach and you can tell he's been depressed with 2024 from his ARL video done literally on the fly in the airport in both it's intro and conclusion segments.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY7_Pb9URggThe improvements for Zen5 X3D aren't enough to unqualified his endorsement, and that the 9800X3D is launching at near half a grand probably was a let down for him too. I think he honestly enjoys getting scammed by the Chinese on fake spec TVs as content nowadays:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3KjeNHF8Y0Linus is honestly overheated now especially after being called out on sloppy benchmark practices and he since has slowed down to dot all the i's and cross the t's.
i don't watch race mixers that have no idea about computers
>>103105500esport gaymer eating good
>>103105371Always do the opposite of what LTT says.
This means I can power limit my CPU's general power consumption right? Not just the power consumption in turbo mode?
>>103105568>>103105416>>103105369 we are shilling this guy ironically, right?
>>103105601It lowers power when boosting but not when idle.
>>103105581nah, I just hate AA and UI scaling / fractional media scaling. 4k is unachievable, media looks like shit on 1440, 1080p is the best option. can set 200% render scale and ditch AA, and if the game is too intensive can just play at native. all UI and media is built for 1080 so it will always look good
When will 9800X3D go live on retail sites?
going from 2500k to 9800x3d soon, how big is the jump?
>>103105636we know you dont have the money to upgrade your computer
>>103105636like 50% in games, 0% everywhere else. CPUs have basically stagnated over the last decade
>>103105604Hope so.
>>103105641nah just an eternal waiter, but I think it's time
>>103105618Intel chips at idle often run at one digit numbers so that's understandable but when you say boosting do you mean only in turbo power loads or even in normal power loads without turbo on?
>>103105641Maybe he saved 200 bucks over the span of 13 years.
>>103104011unironically just get the deskmini x300 (am4) or the deskmini x600 (am5)comes with a ultra small case, mini-stx motherboard, power supply and an ultra shitty cpu coolerjust buy a cpu (all am5 cpus have igpu except ones with F at the end while only am4 cpus that end with G have igpu), buy some ram (as much as you need), and id recommend a better cpu cooler depending on what cpu you go for, 65 watts like the 8700g id recommend either the axp90x47 (only the full copper version the rest are shit) or the nh l9a am5 version (slightly lower profile and performs just as good but more quieter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpaEiU-a2R0Turn on subtitles.
Chinese is such an ugly language.
>>103105814not when their girls speak it
>>103105806GN already reviewed it
How do you deal with your computer in low temperatures when you have HDDs that tend to be sensitive to cold temp?Is it bad to start them when they're at 18 degrees, or should you let ambient temperatures in your room go up a bit first?
>>103105636200-300%>>103105642>CPUs have basically stagnated over the last decadedelusional
>>103105869I upgraded from intel 3770 to 7800x3d and it's 8x faster.
>>103105866you you mean 18C or 18F? if its 18F why are you keeping your room so cold at all?
>>10310590618 C, sorry. It was down to like 64F earlier though.
>>103105900seems reasonablethe 2500K could be overclocked pretty hard so i wasn't going to assume anything
>>103104386the 12100f btfo's every CPU in power efficiency except the 8500g (by a narrow margin).
>>103105932they should be fine at room temp yes
>>103104684>Tariff can kill the company overnightso the economy will collapse with it and everyone will starve?whats the downsite
Tomorrow.... the building begins....
>>103106014Why not wait for the price drop on that nvme and get the 4tb for $50 more?
>>103105943I thought temps below 20C were bad for HDDs.
>>103106105I have a ton of storage already (gen 3 m2 drives, 4tb sata ssd, a bunch of 18tb hdds). Really I just wish I had saved a bit of money and got the 1tb, but the 2tb was better tb/$ so I capitulated. It's going to be an OS/high io programs drive.
>>103103826Tomorrow I will get my 9800x3d.
>>103106156Nuh uh I'll buy the last one before you do.
I can't believe I'm seriously considering waiting for a 5070 MH Wilds bundle
>>103106171This would be tempting if the 50 series wasn’t cursed with shit vram
>>103106210We haven't even seen the specs. Have seen 5080 rumors showing 16gb, 20gb, and 24gb but it's just rumors who knows which is true. Knowing Nvidia though they're gonna be kikes on vram it's how they ensure there's not another gtx 1080 ti calamity (oy vey people are using their gpus for more than 2 upgrade cycles...)
>>103105180I heard the msi mag tomahawk x870 is super good in many regards, it's a bit over 300 though.
DO NOT OVERCLOCK ITS STILL DANGEROUS
>>103106260Best x870 in terms of what you get for the $. You can go cheaper though. Steel legend is fine.
>>103106271FUCK YOU MOMI DO WHATEVER I WANT*WHRRRRRR*
>>103106210Plus the fact that Taiwan might get the tariff nuke dropped on them by then.
Is this shit any good? it says the motherboard isnt compatible with the CPUwhat do you recommend?
Don’t say this shit man I just got the x870 Riptide since it was on sale
>>103106291Build looks okay-ish. I take it you're getting some of the components from Microcenter?>it says the motherboard isnt compatible with the CPUIt might need a BIOS update to work with it - depends when your board was manufactured. Fortunately all (B650+) AM5 boards can do that without a CPU. You'll just need a USB drive and the ability to RTFM.
mass replying days are overit's over
>>103106260> over 300Absolutely insane.
>>103106342>I take it you're getting some of the components from Microcenter?No im just trying to get all teh pieces i need before i go to my local stores to see how much it would cost>You'll just need a USB drive and the ability to RTFM.I dont know what that isANyway, so do i change the motehrboard or do i change the CPU to a non-x3d?
>>103106355The x870/e lineup is quite expensive overall yes
>>103106363The good ASRock 870 boards are like $220
>>103106370No post code though. Nice quality of life feature...My upcoming build gonna have one. 430 board on sale for 280. I love what new releases do to last gen hardware prices. Well, except for amd which holds its value like apple products now thanks to their socket longevity.
>>103106357>before i go to my local stores to see how much it would costWell the 7600X3D is a Microcenter exclusive so you won't find it in local stores unless they have one second-hand.>I don't know what that isRTFM = Read The Fucking ManualThat is to say, don't jump in to this blind. All the manufacturers provide documentation on exactly how to use the BIOS flash function and you should follow it to the letter. It should be said that if you're buying this locally the store will likely offer to update the BIOS for a small fee. >do i change the motehrboard or do i change the CPU to a non-x3d?All the X3D chips came out after the motherboards so they all /may/ need an update. Again, it depends on when the specific board you buy was manufactured.
Hey /g/, I’m looking to build a high-performance PC with a budget of around $3000 USD, mainly for gaming, content creation (video editing, maybe some 3D work), and a bit of future-proofing. I’d love your advice on components and any recommendations for parts I might overlook.My goals:GPU: Leaning towards something that can handle 4K gaming.CPU: Want a strong multi-core option for creative work.Storage: At least 2TB NVMe, maybe more.Cooling: Not opposed to liquid cooling if it’s worth it.Aesthetics: Open to suggestions but prefer a clean, minimalist look.What would you guys recommend with these priorities in mind? Any favorite builds or part combinations you’ve tried? Thanks in advance for any advice!
>>103106404Ok nvmi think ill just see the specs of a prebuilt and get the pieces separately and upgrade whatever i needthanks
Haven't built a computer for like 10 years. I've been keeping tabs on the scene but haven't followed everything. Anyone know which companies are solid for ram? I imagine Corsair is a good one but anyone else worth looking at?
>>103106440it doesn't matterthey all get the actual RAM chips from micron, hynix and samsung anyway
>>103106440It's all about specific series and even revisions using specific chips that work better with specific cpus these days. DDR5 is a fucking mess.
>>103106363For over 300 I expect a X870E premium board.
>>103106435>>103106404is thsi any good? judging by the CPU seems to be similarits a prebuiltAMD Ryzen 5 9600XChipset AMD B6502x16GB DDR5 RGB 5200 MT/s (probably gonna change it to cougar)Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 (change it to 4070 super) ATX 750W bronze (change it to gold)
>>103106402> No post code thoughThis is simply inacceptable for me. One of the most important features a board must have. Why not leave some utterly useless RGB instead?
>>103106463>>103106435>>103106404Sorry i dont want to use you like this but is this any good? i used a prebuilt specs and improved on some stuff
>>103106407Something along these lines I'd say:>CPU7950X3D or 1[3/4]900K depending on whether you'd prefer dealing with Xbox Game Bar or potential degradation. Pick your poison.Maybe a 285K if you can a) find one and b) stomach the $300 motherboard.>CoolerDual tower air cooler or better for the AMD chip. Big AIO for the Intel.>MotherboardWhatever satisfies your IO requirements and can run the CPU at full whack.>RAMAMD: 2*32GB 6000-30-36-36Intel: 2*32GB 6400-32-39-39Sort by price ascending.>StorageVideo editing is one of those uses that does justify a high-end drive. 990PRO, SN850X, or any one of the dozens of E18-based drives.>CaseSome suggestions: Meshify 2, Silent Base 802, H7 Flow.Plenty of good minimalistic airflow cases out there.>Card4080 Super seems the most reasonable. Maybe a 4090 if you can jiggle the budget or find one at MSRP (lol).One other thing, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that next gen high-end is ~3 months away. If you're in no rush it might be better to wait for a 9950X3D+5080. As always it's your call.
My GPU sometimes (like once a week) freezes and there's no way to fix it besides a restart. I'm a bit confused because it's so rare it's impossible to diagnose and (so far) it never happened when under any kind of load, only when browsing or I'd come back to a frozen desktop. I even ran an 8h stress test and it was fine so I hope it's not a hardware issue, should I just rollback drivers or something?
>>103106512Yeah it's fine I suppose but you've kind of lost me. Are you buying a prebuilt or going DIY? Best to pick one or the other before you go shopping.
>>103106517are you sure it's the GPU? that sounds like the CPU dropping voltage too low at idlecommon issue when you try to OC with curve optimizer on ryzen
>>103106521>Are you buying a prebuilt or going DIYDIY, but using a prebuilt as a preset, and see how much the prices vary when i change stuffor in other words, im gonna do use the prebuilt idea but since i dont like the idea of having just 1 TB, im changing to 2or since i wanta 4070 super i will change it to that
>>103106523The CPU is an old 2700X running completely stock (and the board overvolts it anyway). Also I tried pressing Win+Ctrl+Shift+B or whatever the GPU driver reset hotkey is and I heard a sound so the system doesn't freeze completely.
>>103106538Alright. If it works it works. Do be aware that system integrators get stuff like co-marketing and bulk discounts so their component choices are rarely optimal for a personal buyer.For example your cooler, while good, is massive overkill for a basic 6-core. Easy $30 saving there.Post the link for your current list if you'd like us to critique it.
>>103106538Anon just stop being scared of updating a mobo
>>103106546>Also I tried pressing Win+Ctrl+Shift+B or whatever the GPU driver reset hotkey is and I heard a sound so the system doesn't freeze completelycool, then it's not the CPUi feel like that hotkey should still do something if the GPU is frozen, but i don't really know what the problem could be, try rolling back driver i guess
So most likely, since the regular 9000 cpus flopped, AMD will be pumping out 9800X3D cpus like crazy and soon enough they'll have decent availability and won't be price gouged right?
>>103106513>7950X3D or 1[3/4]900K depending on whether you'd prefer dealing with Xbox Game Bar or potential degradation. Pick your poison.ummmmm chuddy mcchud aret you forgetting the Intel Core Ultra 9 285kys EE (Extreme Edition) ? Packing the latest intel architecture technology Lion Cove Power Cores along with nextmont egregious cores. Arrow Lake brings performance leadership and power effiency so you can stay cool whether on the battlefield or on the grind. Level up your rig with a Intel(tm) Core(tm) Ultra(c) Series Processor today.
>>103106565fuck off >>103106564>For example your cooler, while good, is massive overkill for a basic 6-core. Easy $30 saving there.goddamit ok never mind, what ill do instead is to check every single local store all teh components, their prices and work from therei dont want to fall for the amazon meme and eat a lot of taxes for shipping
>>103106574Regular 9000s haven't "flopped", there's just no real need for them right now. If you got one you're either pairing it with a 4090 at 1080p (so you're a fucking retard), or you fell for the consoomer futureproofing meme (still a retard).
feels like a crap ton of people jumped into pc gaming around dx11 era. i dont remember this much nvidia fanboying back in dx9 or dx10 era.
>>103106674Weren't console wars the bigger discussion topic back then? I actually don't remember too much fanboying from either side in those eras, but I do remember all the nvidia SLI talk and whatnot.
So wait you are telling me in 3 years and 3 different launches the only CPU worth buying is the 9800X3D?
>>103106674AMD was competitive then even their fuckups. And since AMD get all their gaming money from playstation they don't care.
>>103106730The 5700X3D released this year.
So will 9800 x3d be the only cpu that can run mhwilds? Or will crapcom find a way to somehow have that as a bottleneck as well lmao
>>103105482the top card will be worse than the top card from last gen
>>103106674I had a 5850 and it was the worst gpu I ever purchasedthe drivers were awful
>>103106773They have 3 layers of drm planned for that game because they need their money back from DD2 flopping. Nothing is going to help that game because they do not care.
I'm gonna do it bros, pulling the trigger on that taichi 7900xtx
>>103106674AMD was respected because it lowered the barrier of entry, people didn't care that the new game barely ran at 720p@30, it fucking ran and it was fun.
so hold on do the 9000/9950X3D have the 3D cache on both CCDs or still just on one?
>>103106834missed a 9 whoops
>>103106834Both
>intel core ultra forces you to install some intel performance optimizer makeare shit>9800x3d just werks and smashes everything while running half powerLmaoooo
>>103106871source? or is it the benchlife thing again
>>103106907My uncle works for AMD
>>103106834>>103106871it makes sense for it to be both since they found a way to maintain the clock speed with 3d cacheoverclocked 9950x3d should theoretically be the best cpu in terms of performance thus, should be a productivity beast since its got high cache, high clocks when boosted and avx 512
>>103106946unscrewing my am5 frame right now and packing up my 9950xsigh...
>>103106953its still a good cpu
>>103106881Yeah, shit is ridiculous
>9950x3d with 3d cache below means they can probably have both ccd's have 3d cacheHOLEE FUCK imagine
>>103107014it won't make games run any faster so don't get your hopes upthe caches don't combinebut it will still be the best CPU in the world
>>103107022consumer CPU**
>>103104191If you upgrade you could probably run 4k 80fps native no upscaling bs with 4090 9800x3d, and maybe 100fps native with 5090
>>103107022at least you wont have to use scheduling anymore
>>103107014>>103107022>>103107048Rumors of X3D Threadripper are starting to surface.
>>103107061rightfuck that shit>>103107063threadrippers don't clock as highthat's for databases, rendering and other huge datasets
AMD Ryzen 5 8500GvsAMD Ryzen 5 9600XOne is double the price of the other...whats better? im using a webpage that compares stuff and says the 8500g is better
>>103107070>One is double the price of the other...whats better?9600X but it's not worth double the price>im using a webpage that compares stuff and says the 8500g is betterclose the userbenchmark tab and never open it again
>>1031070708500g is not good, its only for if you dont have a gpu, get a 9600x or a 7600x
>>103107070>im using a webpage that comparesHope it is not userbenchmark
>>103107078nono, im not using that one>>103107084thanks for the advice, ill try to find the 7600x, im not finding in my local stores
>>103107090>nono, im not using that onelol the one you're using is even worse thenhere:https://www.techpowerup.comhttps://www.techspot.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@GamersNexus
>>103107101>>103107101>lol the one you're using is even worse thenSeems to be...
>1080p
>>103107104oh yeah tom's hardware has CPU and GPU rankings toohttps://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.htmlhttps://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
>>103107090>thanks for the advice, ill try to find the 7600x, im not finding in my local storestry to find ryzen 5 7500f, 7600 or 7600x
>>103107084huh, i see...ill check what the x means
>>103107133X is just a slightly higher tierusually means higher power limits and like 5% more performance, not worth it unless the price is very close
>>103107143yeah it seems so
>>103107061lol...anon even the 7900x and 7950x use it...
>>103107172there's no V-cache driver bullshit with those chipsthe rule for regular ryzen chips is very simple: fill one CCD before using another
>>103107172i meant x3d scheduling on 9000 seriesobviously every ryzen cpu since the 1st gen has had multiple ccds
>>103107113yeah, x3d is for 4090 owners with 1080p settings...
>>103103826My motherboard is a msi-b560m-pro-e and my CPU is a i5 11500 with 2x16GB 3600/18 RAM.Mostly used for photo editing and video conferencing (also, obviously, web browsing).Is there something meaningful I should look for during the incoming black Friday or is it expected last some more years?Country: Brazil
>>103106773Ran without issues on my 5800X3D.Skill issue.
hi its me >>103107070 againany cooling you recommend? someone told me that two fans could be too much is Cougar Poseidon Elite ARGB 240 - Black any good?
>>103107272>>103107272>>103107272
>>103107219Why are you lying? It drops in the 40s in base camp with all those people running around and during the Rey dau quest with 4 players in the starting zone. Unless you used framegen, in which case you are an idiot.
>>103107225either the peerless assassin or the phantom spirit by thermalright
>>103107217more storage, get 2tb nvme drives
>>103104444650W will be fine
>>103104593Pull the navy away from their garbage island and see how they act
>>103103876>boots up original deus ex
