so am I right in assuming 9800x3d is designed for the competitive esport gaymer playing slop like cuckstrike rather than people with more discerning tastes?

>>103130149
It's the best CPU for any memory latency sensitive tasks. It's not just gaming. Audio production, simulations in CAD, viewport in Blender, etc.

>>103130149
well its not the budget choice, 7600 is
Im not sure if its even the great long term choice since the 12 core and 16 core variants with l3 cache under both ccd may be even better

>>103130149
No its great for RT too since RT is very cpu intensive especially on a 4080/4090

What 4000 series vendor should I go for if I want to avoid coil whine?

>>103130149
Factorio and cities skylines are for people of fairly discerning tastes.

>>103130163
gigabyte, pny, zotac, inno3d
i heard the newer asus strix's are fixed too but i havent heard much about that

Used 3090, yay or nay?

>>103130179
sure. just replace thermal paste

>>103130176
I was thinking of going with MSI since I'm not too sure about gigabyte with my 1060 dying on me, but I'll bite the bullet with the 4070 super. It's also cheaper by a good amount, too.

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Apple M4
core basically all over the place, this the advantage not using pajeet window

>>103130149
I went for the 12-core 7900 for better multi-core performance, and the low stock TDP being very easy to cool. It's been a big upgrade for compiling software.
For top of the line in both realms, I'd wait for the 9950X3D. It's only been leaked thus far.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/unannounced-ryzen-9-9950x3d-dominates-ryzen-7-9800x3d-in-factorio-benchmark-ryzen-9000x3d-flagship-up-to-18-percent-faster-than-current-fastest-gaming-cpu

Is getting an oled worth it for gaming over ips?

>>103130272
sure, I saw some 27" oled on sale for 500€ in finland so

>>103130090
>dont fall for the samsung jew
What you mean by that? Isn't the 990 Pro as good if not better than the SN850X while being similar in price?

Realistic black friday expectations?

>>103130272
In my opinion, having a good Display is equally as important as having a strong computer. Yes, getting an OLED is absolutely worth it for gaming over an IPS. It makes everything look significantly better. Especially horror/dark games.

>>103130337
I just want that 4tb 990 for 250 like it was during Prime sale

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Between those two, the bottom should have better vrms right?

>>103130337
All they do now is raise prices before black Friday, then drop them and call it a "sale"
Use keepa to check Amazon price history before you buy, black friday is usually the "best price" but not necessarily a once a year deal.

>>103130377
Just get crucial P3 plus, it's $240ish right now.

>>103130348
>>103130278
Alright I'll get an oled monitor then. How about HDR?

>>103130133
wow, no anime? amazing

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8p7zKq

Does this build give me a good upgrade path to a 5xxx series graphics (prob a xx60 or xx70) and whatever AMD pops out after the zen 5?


I'm a sperg and I need to buy everyone from the same vendor.

>>103130451
oleds can into hdr usually.

is the trump tariffs jacking prices of electronics into the stratosphere legit or just some media bullshit to make me spend money now on whatever's available?

>>103130479
It's only legit if it happens, and if it does it'll probably be a much lower amount than promised. Campaign promises never fully pan out. Obama couldn't get us real healthcare, Trump never finished the wall, Biden didn't cure cancer.

AMD should make monolithic cpu on zen 6, and split it again in zen 7/8/9. endless loop

>9950x3d factoriobox benchmark
huge
immense

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/4472730495692571024?l=english

This version of the Steam client will no longer run on Windows 7 or Windows 8.

IT'S JOEVER FOR STEAM CUC_KS

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-content-creation-review/

X3D sucks for content creation

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>103130599
Intel shills

>>103130599
>have to wait double the time for a video to render
oh no...
anyway

I think I'm going to need to replace my EK nucleus soon. Need:

- not liquid freezer (won't fit mobo, no adapter)
- no rgb
- 360

given these, what has the best performance? Is the frozen edge in OP because it's the best or just because it's best price:performance? Idgaf about price if it's under $201

>>103130582
you wouldn't use a steam emulator

>>103130641
build a custom loop

>>103130641
check out noctua nhd15 gen 2

>>103130479
They're mainly going to use tariff threats to get concessions and cut deals for discounts. Fully mainland Chinese companies selling direct exports could get slapped, but we don't use those for much anyway.

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>>103130641
it's not quite 'no rgb', but the be quiet! Pure Loop 2 might work for you. dunno how hot your rig gets

>>103130599
HAHAHA literal pieces of trash
Im happy I bought a 14900k

>>103130582
More like Windows cucks.

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>>103130599
It tops the charts again. Suck it.

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>>103130599
>userbenchmark of the prebuild world

>>103130187
And it is absolute shit at gaming, grats.

>>103130599
>pudgetsystems

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>finished build
>void still isn't filled

>>103130582
>IT'S JOEVER FOR STEAM CUC_KS
Nobody used W7 anymore.

Noob question, but...
Can a flash drive have a BIOS file for flashback, a windows installer, and a folder for drivers and programs on it all at once? Nothing stupid will happen, will it?

>>103130783
now to get that ram timming right, xmp for nub shit

I have an unopened 9800x3d in my house right now.
But I can't use it as I'm waiting for my cheaper second order to arrive monday. I'll be returning this one to the scamming retailer so he can scam someone else instead.

I found a cheapish 4070 on sale, the problem is that it comes with a free copy of star wars outlaws though.

>>103130789
no

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>>103130582
pfft, even loonix has more market share

Did you claim your 9800x3d rewards from AMD?
https://www.amdrewards.com
Also claim your Tomahawk rewards as well
https://www.msi.com/Promotion/unknown-9-awakening

>>103130801
Is it a key? Sell it on a keyshop for like 10 bucks. Think of it like a mail in rebate.

How stupid would it be to buy a board that costs the same as (or a little more than) the CPU it'll have installed in it?
Thinking about copping a Ryzen 7600 & B650 LiveMixer, board costs about $300 AUD, CPU about $285-290
The board should last for fucking ever (outside of some freak electrical issue or something like that) with the connectivity it has, and while I would like a better CPU, I don't really need more
My other motherboard option would be an A620 board that seems good enough, at half the price of the LiveMixer

>>103130798
>he boughted

>>103130820
for ryzen it not that bad, since you got zen 6 coming on same socket

>>103130805
Why not exactly?

if I'm only really doing games and normal browsing is there much need for me to get an NVME SSD or would I be fine with a SATA one?

>>103130846
nvme can be much faster in poorly programmed games but generally sata is fine if you have get a quality MLC or TLC nand based drive (MX500, 870 EVO etc)

>>103130846
SATA is entirely alright
switching to NVME mainly affects loading times

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>>103130599
9600x won

>>103130397
Bottom is worse sinse mosfets are more parallelized

>>103130873
Truly unreal stutter experience

>>103130846
>>103130854
>>103130857
For a OS drive you want a NVME because they have much faster random IOPS than any Sata SSD.

For games it don't matter since you're bottlenecked by read latency not read bandwidth.

>>103130857
SATA is entirely slow, the only reason you'd use it in CURRENT_YEAR is for spinning disks or if you want to nerf your SSDs after running out of PCI lanes.

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I don't get why the 9800x3d is so hyped. It looks pretty bad

>>103130943
UE5 Wukong is GPU limited instead of CPU limited.
Go play a MMO and 9800X3D is the best

>>103130842
when you install windows installation media in usb it'll remove anything else in it
also windows will install drivers automatically

I don't know if you guys can help me
Is DSC (display stream compression) noticeable in any way? Besides having a couple of things not working?
I'm asking about input lag or image quality.

>>103130962
I get that but it still uses double the power of the 7800x3d when its not doing much work?

What's the difference between 5+3 and 6+2 vrms? Or is there no difference at all between 8 phase vrms?

>>103131011
Could you not just put the BIOS file in after using the MCT?
My problem is having to remove the PSU from my current system to flash BIOS for the new mother board, and then having to hook it back up to use MCT on the flash drive. I'm just trying to streamline the process.

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>104 MB Cache
Is that a typo or what?

>>103131172
You add up L3 and L2 that's what you get. Or throw in L1 too and round it by truncation. Who knows.

>>103131172
8+96

>>103131014
That's higher clock speed for you. Every 100 Mhz extra is more expensive than the previous 100, power-wise.

>be me
>grab some new parts
>test mother board
>posts
>everything is working
>sensors are good
>time to install windows
>can't boot with usb for some reason
>try different ports
>nothing
>thefuck.jpg
>plug drive into old laptop
>shows up
>try again
>still nothing
>back to laptop
>open the drive
>corrupted files
God fucking damn it. I've never 'ejected' a single usb drive ever and never had any issues, but this one time it decides to fuck me.

>>103131172
my 5800x3d launch day box says 100mb of cache

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>>103130783

>>103131012
One of the biggest annoyances with DSC and Nvidia GPUs is the alt/tab black screen bug. If you're using a monitor that is using DSC, you will get a black screen for about 2-5 seconds each time you alt/tab out of a game. Nvidia has been aware of this bug for a long time but has not done anything about it.

Aside from that its virtually lossless.

>>103130149
enjoy your thermal throttling at idle, retard

Buy RTX 50, DP2.1a UHBR20 80Gbps bandwidth, never need to deal with DSC ever again

>>103131270
But isn't that an issue just with exclusive fullscreen?
Nowadays I have a lot more trouble on exclusive fs than windowed borderless. Even with my AMD GPU, without DSC I found it annoying to alt+tab out of games on exclusive fullscreen. If I'm going to do that frequently, might as well do it windowed.

>>103131271
wat
I'm not on Intel if that's what you think
Intel went off the deep end but that doesn't mean AMD didn't disappoint

>>103131300
its related to MPOs. if you're using DXGI flip model then you're using MPOs. Nvidia wont address MPOs or DSC.

>>103131300
Exclusive fullscreen doesn't exist for DX12 games.

>>103131172
its marketing bullshit

>>103131353
He probably isn't talking about intel, Intel is known for drawing less power than ams at idle. He's probably talking about... honestly I'm not sure. Can't think of anything that would run hot at idle

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Whew
That's better

>>103131389
It's just the amount of cumulative SRAM on the chip, but I agree it's not a very useful metric on its own.

>>103131425
If anything Intel are behind amd in marketing bullshit, for some reason they only put l3$ amounts on the marketing materials. Where they lag behind amd severely. But they have been beefing up l2$ immensely every generation, having far more of it than AMD. I am guessing the reasoning for this is the ring bus topology is a tremendous bottleneck on l3$ throughput; especially on 20+ core chips which all have to share the l3 bandwidth like 20 hobos trying to pass around a single saltine cracker. Ultimately having more local cache on each core is the only way for them to squeeze out more performance.

AMD probably has a similar configuration to ring bus on the cores sharing the same ccd and cache but multi ccd goes a long way, amd share 8 cores max per ring instead of 24. 2 ccds effectively doubles l3 throughput...

>>103131421
what do vegetables have to do with zen5?

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It's time

>arriving tomorrow
>hasn't shipped
Am I fucked bros?

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>>103131421

Finally nvidia drivers can be installed without telemetry on 24h2

>>103131571
>Am i fucked?
>Arriving on Sunday
Yep.

>>103131577
a big reason why nvidia had such a driver lead is because of how much invasive telemetry out of the box they do versus amd.

>>103130179
3080/Ti & 3090 will have a higher chance of randomly dying because the loose overcurrent protections allow current spikes that are high enough to wear out and eventually kill the power stages.
If you don't nurse it (undervolting, fps caps, & power limits), it's a matter of when.
This is one of the reasons why used 3090Tis are sold at a higher premium, it's not just binning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbP0YRhXHCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq4ZHNldvGI

>>103131613
So they're actually doing what they're supposed to do with telemetry?

>>103130179
yay

>>103131563
...to regret your decisions

>>103131592
The order literally just went from arriving tomorrow to no longer being able to track it and the date vanished
https://youtu.be/vZa0Yh6e7dw?list=TLPQMDkxMTIwMjR4KWOWei8MNg

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>9800X3D releases
>within 24 hours the price goes up
>today they lowered it back to the release price
witnessing some schizo kino

>>103131776
retailers can price it the way they want, unless amd sets some caps on it

>>103131776
3rd party sellers

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>>103130943
I've been seeing many of these efficiency benchmarks that show that my 7800x3d is still king. I know that 9800x3d has more efficient silicon and is much cooler but you'd have to go out of your way to change the settings in bios to make it not go crazy with power.

>>103131776
They probably just ran out of inventory and scalpers sold them at inflated prices.
Can easily happen with a new product.

It's usually best to wait a month or two for inventories to become plentiful and shops start to compete on price.

>>103131796
Lol what a fail
And channels like HUB didn't even bother mentioning the power draw during their reviews and when questioned, said it was an efficient CPU (it's not)

>>103131713
Intelsister...

>>103131795
its the same store i bought mine from

>>103131847
they never had inventory listed in the first place because it sold instantly (they still dont have inventory listed)

>>103131878
It is (it's more efficient than 7800x3d) but not with stock settings. I'd call it a benchmark cpu just like the 14900 was. It's pumped up.

>>103131767
Well fuck. If it's any consolidation, my parcel was stuck at "being packed" for a long ass time so perhaps there's still hope. Check the tracking every few hours & pray to Lisa.

Any use at all in picking 64gb ram over 32 if you're mostly dicking around with gaming and AI?

>>103131878
bait or mental retardation

call it

>>103132007
you could make 32 gb cache, and put stuff on it

>>103132007
if you get a 5090 and 9800x3d might as well dab on poorfags while you're at it

otherwise stick to 32gb

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>>103130599
All "content creators" deserve to die anyway, so less power to them.

>>103130156
>simulations in CAD, viewport in Blender, etc.
if you could only afford 8 core options in the market would you still go with AMD if using that software is your goal?

>>103132216
yes because I want long term stability, you do not want to have to worry about Intel degradation and E core issues on a work machine

>>103131796
Oh my God... it zips files slower.

>>103132373
yes anon. thats how benchmarks work

>>103132373
Americans measure time in Millions of Instructions per Joules?

>>103132157
pretty good
now make competitive GPUs so jewvidia cant rob me blind every time

>>103131636
telemetry is supposed to be opt-in, not forced on the user. when you install amd drivers it asks if you want to send your data to amd. with nvidia it just does it without asking.

>>103130200
I wanted to recommend the same to a friend but it doesn't make sense sadly. 9800X3D is basically trading blows with or beating the 7900 in productivity benches most of the time.

how stupid will I feel when the 50 series launch if I upgrade now from a 3070 to a 4080 super? cpu right now is not the best so it would be a bottleneck for sure but I'm waiting for the 98800X3d to actually be available here. I know the 50 series are just around the corner but the mexican version of black friday is coming up and there will be some sweet deals

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Are there any good USB-C mice that can be wired or wireless with buttons to adjust the DPI on the fly? I've looked into the Glorious Model D 2 PRO Series, but the complaints I've seen about their build quality has me doubting that they'd be good to purchase.

>>103132492
You can't expect people to voluntarily contribute. They'd rather have broken shit than send data on what kind of settings do they use in a game and what happens when it crashes. Nvidia is basically thinking that the customer is a fucking imbecile and will not accept this deal and instead keep complaining on the forums, so they force this deal down, but they uphold their end of the deal (which many corporations don't).
I mean shit, even when opt-in, even when FOSS, a lot of projects get shit on because the word telemetry just creeps people the fuck out. No matter what it is about.

if I had to buy a wireless PCIe card, and might want bluetooth with it, what sort of chipsets should I look for?
what sorts of sites can I look for the straight up M.2 A/E keyed wireless chips?
is there any real-world identifiable differences between wifi 6, 6e, and 7?

>>103130813
what are the rewards for AMD?

>>103132619
direct from AMD themselves
>Radeon 7600 XT and above
>Ryzen 7 7700 and above
>Ryzen 7 9700X and above
>Warhammer 40k Space Marine 2
>Unknown 9 Awakening
unsure on 9000X3d, they only mention 7000X3d & 9000 non-X3d

I checked the rewards page, and turns out I never claimed Devil May Cry 5 from back when I bought an RX 580, oops

>>103132576
if you thought the 9800x3d sold out quick, the 50 series will sell out in a fraction of the time and take even longer to come back into stock
it's your call if you want to roll that dice and risk it

>>103132576
Literally, just wait. In 2 months we will have new high-end Nvidia GPUs. Patience anon.

>>103131796
it's nice to see that literally no matter what benchmark I'm shown, my old CPU is so ancient that it's a massive improvement regardless

>>103130133
What is preventing AMD to slap-on a 36GB HBM3E die on Zen6 and eliminate the need for system memory? They could also eliminate L3 cache.

>>103132809
as somebody on an Athlon X4 845, I know that feel (still probably won't upgrade though)

>2018: intel best for gaming, amd best for productivity
>2024: amd best for gaming, intel best for productivity

what happened?

>>103130943
>>103130962
Leave it the verge to present the most useless benchmark
>>103132825
>intel best for productivity
I wasn't aware that Intel released the 9950X this year. Intel is good for nothing.

>>103132825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE

>>103132815
nothing, just people would cry "it to expensive'

>>103132825
intel decided to use intels fabs to make chips, that didnt go well
Intel decided to not do chiplets for better yields and economics, that didnt go well
Intel decided to up the volts until their chips reached #1 on cinebench scores, that didnt go well

>>103132868
intel is best for productivity

t. 9950x user

>>103130173
X3D does fuckall for Factorio real gameplay.
Normal benchmarks with microbase running entirely inside the cache at 600 updates per second are meaningless in a game capped at 60 updates per second; and when the save gets so big it begins to lag, the cache is no longer able to contain it and performance scales linearly with ram speed.

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>>103132007
you mean arrow lake 285k cinebench? it's only a couple points ahead but at substantially more power while costing more. the power stats aren't good. 285k was specifically tuned to beat 9950 in cinebench, just barely.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/32.html

>>103132888
But you wouldn't have to spend a 100 bucks on a 2*16GB kit.

>>103133043
I want it, i can tell reviewer gonna shit on it

>>103133043
I'd imagine it would only be cost-effective for AMD to incorporate HBM3e into something like Threadripper/Epyc, because I'm pretty sure it would cost a decent amount per gig at current volume.

spent a bit of time looking into volume & pricing of hbm3e, and it'd only really be feasible (in regards to AMD's R&D & general manufacturing costs vs complexity, as well as a consumer-perspective) to throw in a few gb (2-8GB) of some sort of HBM (likely HBM2/2e) as a sort of 'X3D+' on the Ryzen 9 chips
not entirely unreasonable, but you'd still be leaning on at least a 2x16GB D5 kit at that stage
(yes I'm autistic and needlessly fixated on this totally theoretical 4chan post)

>>103133211
HBM2/E is too slow to replace L3.
1024-bit of HBM3E would be around 1254GB/s
HBM2E would be around 460GB/s

My theoretical idea would be to replace the need for system memory and L3 cache at the same time.

I could see intel doing that

>>103132744
>>Warhammer 40k Space Marine 2
i thought this one expired November 2nd?

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for me its Lumasharpen & Vibrance.

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Welp. I'm out of ideas. Any suggestions?. So far I've:
>Reseated the CPU
>Checked each ram stick in each slot
>Updated the bios (via usb)

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>>103133330
it looks like its literally telling you, you're RAM is boke

>>103133330
dead ram or dead mobo

>>103133330
Diagnose question are waste of time for both people

>>103132815
it would be nice if PCs would have 2 types of memory, a fast hbm in the cpu and a slower dram on the mb. the system can then use the dram as bulk storage apps and the fast cpu memory for games and foreground apps it currently uses.

>>103133330
New system? Are you sure you waited long enough?

>>103131099
just get some 5 dollar usb stick to flashback the mobo anon

>>103133340
>>103133347
>>103133361
>>103133445
Everything is brand new. I've waited about 5-ish minutes before I started tinkering with it

>>103133340
both sticks at the same time? doubt

>>103133518
>>103133528
you have dead mobo

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>>103133330
try one stick of memory at a time to find which one is bad
make sure its in the right slot(s) A1 typically

>>103133554
>>103133330
a1 and b is the proper seating for dual channel btw
not a1 and a2
its going to be specific for your mobo
labelling will be on the board and in your manual

try without memory, are there long beeeb sound

inexperienced buyer here, when do the deals start being deals instead of predetermined price drops

>>103132585
Just use a C to A adapter

>>103133684
Later winter/Early spring to clear out old stock. January-March

>>103133684
one way I found to get good deals is just roll the dice on unheard of brands with no reviews. new brands that have a website in fluent english but are still trying to get name recognition usually have low prices to encourage people to buy and try them out. Iceberg Thermal is one I came across lately.

>>103133684
go to a price aggregator and look for trends. the ramp up to christmas definitely isn't the time for the best deals.

I'm thinking about upgrading my PC in case all this shit about tariffs comes true and increases the prices of everything by a shitload.

Current build:
> 5800x3D
> 16GB DDR4
> 3080ti 12GB

Planned build:
> 7900XTX
> That new AMD processor, 7800X3D or whatever
> 64 GB RAM

Is it worth it do to this now if the price of parts increases by 50% or more?

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opinons on this mid budget workbench build?
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZQNfrM
thought about the 9800x3d but don't know if it's worth it for 200 more?

>>103133778
dont you got old cooler?

>4k gaming
>7700x
>rx 7800 xt for now
>rtx 5080 in 5 months

is this a good build?

>>103133845
too richfag for me

>>103133845
5080 is going to show up in about two months
Just fucking WaitTM

>>103133776
You'd have to be retarded to spend that much on Radeon

>>103133684
>when do the deals start being deals
When you use your eyes and the three braincells you have to realize that some piece of hardware at a certain price is a good deal compared to the rest of the market. There's no predetermined time

1080p oled where

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>>103133778
Unless you have some workload where the 9700X performs substantially 7700X, you can save yourself probably 100 euros on 7700X. Not sure you'll get PCIe 5.0 everywhere, so check on that if you want/need maximum PCIe 5.0 lanes

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>>103133923
Why would you want 1080p OLED

>>103133776
i would not upgrade from a 3080ti to any amd card because modern sloppa is terribly optimized and devs expect to hide the issues using dlss
t. another 3080ti owner who upgraded to 9800X3D and a mobo for it while waiting for the 5080 super in like a year and a half
they will probably have the tariff stuff solved by then so should work for you aswell

>>103133948
i dont play game at 60fps

>>103130133
>7600
why for gaming when the 7600X3D exists?

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>>103133964
And? The point of that image is that whatever framerate you're getting at 1080p will be similar to what you get at 4K

>>103133973
Pricing
Also the 7600X3D is Microcenter exclusive

>>103133987
because I dont need it.

>>103133987
>4090
>73fps in 1080p
i think the video is missing a 1 or possibly even a 2 from infront of that 73fps

any benchmarks of 9800X3D in 65W eco-mode yet?

>>103134052
It's path tracing

is intel going to figure out how to make 3d cache work before they die

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>>103134130
that explains it
cut your performance in half to get 1% improved looks

I'm kinda settled on grabbing a rtx 4070, but the 16gb version is way more expensive, is it worth grabbing that?

>>103134162
The best option right now is the 4070 Super (not the Ti Super) unless you get a good deal on the base 4070

>>103134056
Shouldn't yield too surprising results. Basically the difference between an X and a non-X ryzen.

>>103134132
current rumors are novalake will have a variant with 180MB LLC

>>103134212
RIP Zen 6

>>103134212
>all these different fucking lakes
I DONT CARE ABOUT THE NAME NIGGA
WHEN IS IT COMING
WHEN WILL I HAVE IT IN MY HOUSE

>>103134222
novalake will be released is in 2026. The rumors are that intel are trying to get it to work with foveros and don't want to use tsmc's cowos which is what amd is using for their x3d.

>>103134219
Amd stuck with same size since 5800x3d
i suspect there diminishing return on how much it help

what is stopping amd and intel from making a bigger die with more transistors for more bigerer speeds and performance

Im on a Ryzen 7600. Been gradually undervolting it via curve optimizer and benchmarking it/using it normally and seeing if any WHEA errors show up, and so far it's fine even at all core -25 but I'm starting to wonder if I'm even testing it properly.
When I do AIDA64 SHA3, it runs for like 10 seconds and spits out a result, no crash or error or anything. Is that the intended result or am I retarded? Otherwise I ran AIDA64 stress CPU and FPU enabled (I think its running AVX 512?) for half an hour and cinebench to make sure the score wasn't somehow going down.

>>103134315
cause then poor people will complain about how expensive it is

>>103134315
software

>>103134315
cost

>>103134315
Threadripper?

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Geforce Premium Worth It?

>>103134293
they dont have a huge reason to increase it, plus they need to fix other things

>IMHO, its joever for AMD if intel implements a "3dcache" version of error lake

>AMD needs to upgrade their IMC and I/O

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Day 583 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>103134367
if you are a fan of amdunboxed you already know what you're going to buy

>>103134367
now ? absolutely not, on releases ? kinda

>>103133939
good to know thanks

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Look at the size of this bag boy.

>>103134212
>180MB LLC
will be completely useless unless you enjoy gaming in 1080p. but at least they get some good coverage from eclebs

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>>103134315

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>>103134315
Moar coars or fatter cores aren't the answer to Intel's performance problems
Muh cores for most programs that use CPU is a fool's errand. Either you care about single core or you should be using GPU for its thousands of cores

>>103134517
>>103134495
bot posts

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>>103134557
Bot brain

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How big is the energy efficiency gap between gold / platinum PSUs and platinum/titanium PSUs? I may be moving to California for grad school and on the off chance the apartment I rent doesn't cover utilities, I really do not want to be getting fucked with electricity bills, since CA has the 2nd highest energy rate in the US, only being beaten by Hawaii. Like would it be worth shelling out an extra $60-100 for a titanium grade over the other two?

>>103134435
thats the only resolution that matters according to the internet

>>103134315
A bigger die means a HUGE increase in the chances of the chip being faulty.
Faulty chip = money lost
That means that big dies are exponentially more expensive and in low supply because of the difficulty in manufacturing.

Man, should I grab a threadripper 5955WX for 1500 usd? It's the cheapest option really. A sensible purchase.

Is the Liquid Freezer 3 refillable? Google is not really giving a clear answer for some reason. Considering baby's first AIO, because I'm sick of cumbersome air coolers that need to be dismounted if I want to do any sort of adjustment or update to other parts of the MOBO/PC.

>>103134617
>I really do not want to be getting fucked with electricity bills
>would it be worth shelling out an extra $60-100 for a titanium grade over the other two?
No

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>>103133330
Update. I've actually managed to get to the bios & update it, kek. I've unplugged everything, left only essentials like cpu, 1 populated ram slot mobo power cable & Cooler and somehow it posted. I'll take this as a win & continue on tomorrow as my head currently hurts from the seething I've endured for the past 4.5h.

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>I'm going to give this product a 1 star review because it's currently sold out from official retailors, and I can't purchase it at MSRP
Why are people like this?

>>103134774
Can americans speak English?

>>103134617
I did the math when I bought my PSU and my platinum requires about 5 years of running non-idle loads 24/7 to come out ahead of gold using US East prices. Which is exactly what I'm doing with it, so I'll break even next year. Plebs who turn their computers off every night are fine with gold. Titanium was terrible value and you should only consider it if money is no problem. If you want to be an efficiencycuck, focus on CPU+GPU efficiency and undervolting, minimizing the number of fans, and being SSD-only.

>>103134850
Thanks anon, do you know what your energy rate is? California is 31 cents per kilowatt hour. But I know places in the east like Connecticut / Massachusetts have similar rates. I'm going to be there for at least 3 years, if I do end up going there, and I don't turn my PC off at night, although my current build goes into some sort of hibernate mode after a while, so I imagine my next one will too. What exactly do you mean by non-idle loads, because I usually leave browser tabs and shit open but it's not like I'm running intensive programs overnight. Maybe a gold is best for me, unless I end up working longterm in CA follow school.

>>103134850
brother, if you need to minmax PSU performance... you should save some more money

On the note of PSUs, do nvidia gpus still get random power spikes?

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>>103134954
Not really no

>>103134954
>>103134959
Keep in mind spikes are more to do with board design. Reference and OC will spike harder than a custom card with undervolt.

>>103134959
undervolting largely fixes these, no?

>>103134884
12 cents per kwh. It's currently drawing 120W (measured by the UPS) at the normal background load with CPU usage around 15-20%, including server stuff that's always doing work. Gaming takes it over 500W.

>>103134891
If I had more money I'd get both and benchmark them against each other.

>>103135036
if thats what you like then feel free to do so

>>103134617
If you're a power schizo, undervolt your processors and set frame limits.
Use your monitor at lower brightness, HDR consumes more power.

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>finally bit the bullet and upgraded from a GTX1650 to a RX7600
feeling good lads.

I have a 13700kf and I'm only just getting around to updating the BIOS after Intel said shits fucking fucked bigtime m8. I purchased this last year one September 1st and have been using it pretty much everyday for gaming, with a fair amount of demanding/poorly optimized AAA titles (Dragons Dogma 2, Cyberpunk, Jedi Survivor, Starfield, Space Marine 2, to name a few) I have not encountered a single BSOD or crash, and can't say I've noticed any stability issues. Would it be reasonable to assume my chip was one of the lucky ones that dodged the issue, or am I playing a dangerous game here? I'm probably going to give this PC to my little brother soon, and I really don't want to give him a ticking timebomb because he's really looking forward to having a PC.

>>103135266
Dangerous game, update it.

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>>103135302
Fucking shitlel. I suppose I'll start working on making a replacement claim.

>>103134617
The difference between each tier is like 2% at high load, maybe more at idle.
A very rough load estimation for 20 hours of 100W idle / 4 hours of 500W is 4kWh / day or ~1500kWh / year consumed.
The difference between PSU tiers would be 30kWh / year.
That's $9/year saved for $60 extra initial cost. Might actually be worth it if your PSU comes with 7+ years warranty.

>>103135266
you should update
then run stress tests
https://www.ocbase.com

every chip has a slightly different V/F curve, unless you have a $500 motherboard you probably can't access the VID table directly but if you have one of the better 13700Ks it's gonna take longer to meaningfully degrade

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>>103135343
You don't need to RMA the chip if there's no issue, this most likely means you got a decent bin where the chip didn't request dangerous levels of voltage to prepare for a heavy workload (shader comp etc.).
Some motherboards were undervolting these chips by setting low CPU AC LL, some chips weren't good enough to run stock specs at lower voltages and were crashing.

Update the board BIOS to make sure the chip never requests over 1.55V.
Intel's going to ask you to update BIOS, set Intel Default profile and run a series of test before you're even allowed to send the chip.
They will probably turn yours down because it's working fine.

>>103135343
Don't bother if you haven't noticed any instability

>>103135266
>>103135343
>my chip runs fine blah blah, is it broken?

dude your cpu is obviously fine. update the bios and stop sperging out

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>all my drives used to be red
dobby is free

invest in a nas
NOW

EUropoor (I’m poor for real).
I do not want to go above 1080p 24 inch or outside of IPS.
Do I buy the XG2431 for its 60hz all the way up perfect BFI.
Or is the 6+2 CRF a deal killer? I assume a pure 8-bit monitor will not have retarded artifacts due to the dithering so it might be worth the sacrifice over a potentially shittier BFI?

Or do I buy a 27-inch 1440p display that’s priced close to a XG2431 and just use black boxes around all the way to 21 inch of monitor area and benefit from high ppi 1080p?

Have they released the dual ccd 9950x3d yet? Once they do I’ll f5 OC forums and obscure youtube videos, curious if they’ve fixed the architecture flaws, as in instability at stock settings in sha3 tests and other stress tests.

>>103132825
>>intel best for productivity
lol

>>103135506
it is

>>103135498
No, 9800X3D launch was pulled ahead because AMD wanted to bury Arrow Lake.
The other Zen 5 -X3Ds are expected to launch early next year.

>>103134432
>touching the bottom
STOP
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
STOP IT RIGHT NOW

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>>103135476
>Games & Data
it was infact not video games

>>103135537
it is actually just games and blender related stuff

>>103130451
By HDR it's usually meant:
1. high contrast ratio, which OLED has
2. high dynamic range, which OLED has and at its peak since individual organic pixels light up bright as fuck instead of dimming zones behind which are far from ideal, but they obviously decay and unless the firmware on the monitor is top tier to re-calibrate the global intensity of every other one you'll notice something called burn-in.
3. high color space which all OLED since their first release had, I don't think they've regressed for no reason since it only becomes cheaper to produce them at higher color ranges as time goes on

With all this said HDR is a meme but it'll be a meme that you'll experience as close to as intended as money can buy.
For youtube videos and 90% of historiacal video games and new releases you want a SDR mode, which still visually benefits from OLED a bit, mainly due to the contrast ratio.


BUT keep in mind that OLED lacks a BFI implementation since that will kill their brightness and they still use catch and hold method of image presentation, which means you'll see a lot of motion blur, which cannot be fixed unless you go 500hz+ and that means real FPS outputed by your GPU not just screen refresh.
This is why probably for motion clarify you need some VA/IPS with dimming zones and BFI.

I'm building a CAD modelling PC. What do I need? Money is no object really.

>>103135486
what's the price? does not even seem viable
I'm talking I've seen 4k 27" 144hz IPS monitors cheaper than it here
1440p 180hz ones cheaper
1080p 180hz ultra poverty alot cheaper

>>103135525
Thank you friend.

>>103135566
230 usd for the 1080p with top tier BFI.
way less for any random 1080p with real 8 bit panels but probably shittier to no BFI
probably 360 usd+ for 1440p
4k 27 inch is a no no as the 1080p with black boxes will be ridiculously tiny

>>103130664
>Fully mainland Chinese companies selling direct exports could get slapped
so cheap tiny plastic products will get more expensive while nothing changes about individual components brought inside CHina and assembled in China to be exported by Westerners.

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>>103135553
>blender related stuff

>>103135582
>europoor
>quoting usd
also europoor here and it's retardedly priced and not even in this market here so, all depends
it's a meme monitor for the bfi only, so I guess if you gonna use that
have not heard or talked about here in a long time
>4k 27 inch is a no no as the 1080p with black boxes will be ridiculously tiny
you just use integer scaling, 160ppi 1080p will look better than a native 1080p panel

>>103135645
The monitor is not impressive in terms of specs, since you can get the exact same for 1/3 of its costs but the BFI is really the best implementation you can get for that, software tunable to the max. You cannot juice it further than that so you get pristine motion clarity.

>27 inch 4k resolution with integer scaling
Think about it, 4 pixels become one pixel, the effective PPI for the 1080p image on the 27-inch 4K display is about 81.6 PPI do not confuse it with native 160ppi of the display at raw 4k input.
It'll look like total dog shit, meanwhile a 1440p 27inch display with black boxes can show me a 21inch active area that results into ~108 ppi for 1080.
Native 24 inch 1080p is 92ppi so downgrading to 81.6 is a no no.

>>103135589
Yes.

>>103135759
Unless ofc. the western company is not American, the there's a flat tariff on the end product.
Like ASML machines, which I'm not even sure if America buys.

>>103135737
>It'll look like total dog shit
4k panel will be better than the 1080p in terms of pure specs, less screen dooring effect, whatever
are you talking about the other 1440p blur buster monitor with BFI or something?
why would you wanna run a 21" area with black borders? sounds so bad too
best use case on 1440p is running 720p integer for sharpness too if you wanna esportsfag it up
but all these things are just bad either way, idk

>Native 24 inch 1080p is 92ppi so downgrading to 81.6 is a no no.
it's not 81ppi though as explained, it's literal 160ppi on a better panel
but idk

>>103135833
Anon, don't go full retarded.
Learn what integer scaling means, learn what a pixel is, learn what a square inch is, learn what math is and work them out.

can i just buy the cheapest shittiest gpu version and slap two p12s on it and expect it to be quiet and nice or will the controller be an issue? 6600xt so it's not too hot

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made a meme

>>103135925
I actually did this to a GTX 1080 that I gave to my younger brother during the crypto idiocy and it's been working flawlessly ever since
will definitely not work with cards from every manufacturer though

>>103136005
a fellow smeared blacks enjoyer I see

>>103135476
what the actual fuck are you doing nigger?
>>103135537
it's probably the same 1.25tb of crap spread out across 5 drives as a schizo backup

>8 hours ago
>arriving tomorrow
>tracking available
>hasn't shipped
>7 hours ago
>no tracking available
>no more date
>10 minutes ago
>arriving tomorrow
>tracking available
>hasn't shipped
What the fuck? Is it coming or not? Fucking Schrodinger's CPU.

I just want a monitor with
>minimum 27" 1440p
>120fps
>supports VESA mount

Is it really that difficult to find?

>>103135853
I'm tired, regardless, I am right, it's very simple, the only thing worse is 1080 on a larger 27 compared to 24
But if both were identical.. anyway
But regardless if you want strobing there are not many alternatives, I don't think I would bother at this point in time, but also all those monitors are overpriced
And games are not exactly locked in fps either
>>103136130
Sounds like any generic monitor

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>>103136113
>check order
>stock no confirmation
>shipping no confirmation

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>>103136130
>Asus TUF VG27AQ
peak performance no matter what shitposters say

>>103136311
>165hz
I said 120hz. What's the point of a refresh rate which isn't divisible by both 24 and 30?

>>103136373
you can set the refresh rate lower retard

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>>103136373

Is it worth driving 30 minutes to get a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE for $15 more than a AK400?

>>103136107
retard

>5600x
>6800xt

Another day of waiting for AM6

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Are there mice with extra programmable buttons but the firmware is like QMK?

>>103136130
You'd have a harder time finding a 1440p that isn't like this. It's the fucking baseline.

What's a good budget 1080p monitor?
I'm replacing a Samsung monitor from 2010

>>103136130
Both 1440p monitors recommended in the OP meet these requirements, retard.

Is it worth doing 1440p 60fps?
I have an RX6600 and the most recent game I want to play is Total War Warhammer 3
I may upgrade in 4-5 years

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>>103131630
They just keep on dying, and it will get worse as newer games draw more GPU resources.

>>103136787
Define doing. You won't get ass cancer from setting a 144hz+ monitor 60 or 120 until you upgrade, just don't buy one that's strictly 1440/60(75).

Want to get an OLED monitor. Does 240/360hz really matter that much?
Also thinking of the Gigabyte Aorus and MSI MAG. Which would be better?

Is there a video quality or file size benefit to using Game Capture in OBS instead of just Display Capture? Or does it not really matter

>>103136865
game capture has better performance, file size would be the same

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>>103136839
i liek my aorus

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Gonna upgrade my GPU in the next few months, planning on getting a 4070 Super. Y'all think my computer can handle it or do I have to do other upgrades?

>PSU
SilverStone Essentials Series 80+ Gold 650w

>>103137019
yeah it'll be fine, however the new GPUs will be out in January so you'll probably be able to get more performance for your dollar if you wait until February.
however there's also always upgrading to the 5700X3D if you feel like the CPU is falling behind.
also you should stop using speccy as its abandonware and never worked very well in the first place. Use Hwinfo64.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X870I-AORUS-PRO-ICE#kf

>when mATX version?

Did I use too much paste? Bios shows cpu at 35c
But then again it was just yesterday so maybe I’m overthinking it

>>103136839
>Want to get an OLED monitor. Does 240/360hz really matter that much?
Here's some head-to-head comparisons of 240 vs 360Hz OLED:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/msi-mpg-271qrx-qd-oled-vs-asus-rog-swift-oled-pg27aqdm/47131/37157#test_1425
It defintiely helps as does 480Hz hertz:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/rog-swift-oled-pg27aqdp

However, the difference in motion and latency is nice, but I wouldn't compromise a "slower" QD-OLED panel for a higher-refresh regular OLED. The difference in panel uniformity and color gamut/volume is not worth it especially losing the rich glossy finish for a matte one.

>Also thinking of the Gigabyte Aorus and MSI MAG. Which would be better?
They are all equal, just see if one model has a feature set that really appeals to you (such as a KVM switch) or barring that get the one that's cheapest.

>>103137019
Only thing you might want to upgrade is your CPU to a 5700X3D on Aliexpress while you can before Tariffs hit in January:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806921974699.html

>>103137091
using too much paste isn't a thing, there's wasting paste but really the "pea dot" shit is internet myth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWVVTY63hc

>>103137130
Hilariously Linus made a die sandwich slathering the chip on BOTH sides (socket and IHS) and it still posted fine with good temps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52UW5bXkbs&t=60s

>buy nvme about a year ago
>install into old b450 board
>decide to look into upgrades
>nvme have heatsinks on motherboards
>mine doesn't have one
Oh... uh... is that bad?

>>103130163
all med to high end gpus have some form of audible coil whine. its random chance and hope you dont get a real bad one that gives you tinnitus.

>>103137176
Not really, no. Consumer NVMEs don't give off a ton of heat (and the ones that do ship with their heatsinks like premium RAM kits) on the controller and the NAND chips actually like being a little toasty to work optimally.

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Shame the 9800x3D does fuckall for higher resolutions

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I was planning on upgrading my (pic related) PC that I got in 2020 so it can do ray tracing. Trying to get ready for Spider-Man 2. I don't mind spending a lot. What do you think my best options are?

>>103137176
you can buy a overkill thermalright nvme heatsink for less than $10.

Is airflow a meme? I want to get a solid black small case but I cant seen to find any info on that. Only plexiglass and rgb.

>>103137229
It's not about getting one, I simply didn't know they used them a year ago.
>>103137208
Good to know.

>>103137071
>>103137103
Thanks for the advice, I'm not too keen on replacing my CPU just yet. Just wanna know if I'm gonna have power problems with the PSU (bought a lower rated one initially and replaced it with the SilverStone because it simply wasn't powerful enough)

You guys fucking lied. Just fired up my 14900k rig and ran cinebench r23 253 pl1 load lite 7 and it's drawing like 140-150w. Cool air is coming out of the top of my pc. We're staying around 60c.

>>103137218
Use HWMonitor to see the motherboard's model name and then look it up on the manufacture's SKU support page if it has BIOS updates and a CPU support list for the 5700X3D which is ~$140 on AliExpress as in >>103137103 You can then drop in whatever GPU your budget allows and not really have to worry about anything else*.

*There are a few slop games that chug with 16GB of RAM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mklCPWNyJC0
You can get a cheap 2x16GB DDR4-3200CL16 kit in that case, but first check and play the games you like as for most titles 16GB is still fine.

If you weren't already on AM4 this approach wouldn't be viable (say Intel 8th Gen or something) but in your case I don't see a reason to spend anymore than this to upgrade.

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>>103137243
Quality 650W is fine. The 7900 XT & 4090 barely use or 400 at load.

>>103137291
thanks

>>103137291
>>103137315
oh I should ask, what about power supply? chatGPT seems to think that power supplies are a big deal for me to check

I know that Intel's ARC GPUs aren't doing very god, but I don't know why their CEO would announce that they see "less need for discrete graphics in the market going forward" just as leakers are announcing that Battlemage could launch as early as next month.

>>103137311
*7900 XTX

>>103137320
Yes check the PSU model. Some prebuilts can use really weird custom models that don't even come with standard PCIe power cables for the GPU (probably not true for your system since it already has a 5700 XT).

>>103137340
The company is not in great shape. But there is hope- they stopped giving their employees free coffee to save money. But they are reversing that decision... to improve morale. After firing 15,000 of them.

>>103137176
unless your nvme drive came with a heatsink it doesn't need one

>>103137320
650W gold is the sweet spot unless you're buying a 4090/5090

>>103137257
Good for you friend. That's a very safe temperature.

>>103137503
>>103137503
>>103137503

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I got a 9800x3d hopefully coming and a 3090. I'm looking at getting high end components for my rebuild and setting up a custom loop. do these components look alright? I was told recently to avoid Corsair, even on the ram, so I'm not sure what the second best options for that is

>>103137230
No, airflow really works. However it can be counterintuitive and hard to get lined up right, so you can't trust the marketing. I don't like glass cases and tempered glass is particularly shit, but I went full tower with phanteks instead of small, so you'll have to find the small case fags for recommendations, or watch gamersnexus reviews with case thermal tests.

>>103137697
repost in new thread

>>103137697
Get a memory stick with CL30 6000MT/s at least.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6QcgXL/gskill-flare-x5-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-fx5
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Xg2WGX/gskill-trident-z5-neo-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-tz5n
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6QcgXL/gskill-flare-x5-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-fx5

Corsair PSU is okay, the market's very competitive like monitors.
https://hwbusters.com/psus/corsair-rm1000x-atx-v3-1-psu-review/11/