hello

>>103125270
>modern day self-described "watercooling enthusiast"
bleak I must say

5800X3D is good for another 8 years.

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I don't see the problem

>>103125309
the 4790k is still a good cpu

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JqvXsp
am I doing okay here? I can't help but feel like I'm just guessing at everything.
so far the only change I know I might do is getting the 4070 ti super instead of the 4080 super

>>103125309
How can people be this retarded and have the right to vote.

>>103125322
>uk
sorry, god has punished you

how do I search for RAM that is ECC, unbuffered & supports EXPO? whether this info appears in the product name or description is completely random

>>103125322
You can get a far cheaper cooler that works almost as well. Do you specifically want the Define 7 because of the noise dampening?

>>103125322
>PCIe 5.0 X2

>>103125322
just wait for the 5080 bruh

>>103125309
the problem is that the gpu can't handle 8k gaming

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Is there ANY reason to buy some fancy $350-400 MOBO for a gaming / web browsing rig, or is it just a waste of $ compared to some $100-200 one?

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>>103125270
Noob here, what exactly are those cords in the GPU connected to the fans for? Is that some sort of water cooling for a gpu?

>>103125322
That case is a home server ass case
What you need a brand new 10TB HDD for just get 2 used 12TB enterprise ones for half the price if you're buying a brand new HDD you start at 20TB minimum
Buying a 4080 now is dumb CES is less than 2 months away
Noctua have a gen 2 of the NH-D15 (it's overpriced)

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So if I got something like this, shouldn't I be able to take the wifi card in and out, and even attach it into an m2 wifi slot? At most I might need some longer antenna cables right?

>>103125394
you could get a cheaper X870 for the pcie 5 and usb 4 but that's it

>>103125353
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/
filters have what you need

>>103125405
the gpu has its own AIO yes

>>103125394
It's a waste. The extra money will go to vrms/heatsinks, which are totally useless if you are not running some power hog of a CPU.
The extra connectors might be nice depending on what you do but even bottom of the barrel mobos have lile 6 USB slots and at least an m2 + pcie x1 slot + all the sata connectors you would ever need, so unless you are doing some real niche stuff, you are wasting your money once again.

get a nas
invest in storage
do it

>>103125452
Is that something that only became available with newer cards? Just doing a cursory google search, I see a lot of forum threads asking about GPU water cooling, and the general consensus is that it's very niche and AIOs don't really exist, while custom loops do.

Is the igpu of 7800x3d enough for desktop tasks, movies, yt and low quality lol, wow, cs.
I want to run with just the cpu and no dedicated gpu while i save money for a gpu

>>103125466
Also wondering this for the 9800x3d.

>>103125363
again, guessing. If there's something wrong with it, you're gonna have to tell me what.
>>103125357
both the noctua and the define 7 are because I currently have a noctua and a design r5. Since I'm mostly in the dark, I thought I'd stick with the things that have lasted for like seven years already.
>>103125366
>>103125407
I get that I could wait for a 5080, but I'm not sure if I'm that bothered. The costs are already getting a bit too high for my liking as is and I'd rather not be waiting two months on something that I might not be able to afford. I'm not that bothered about having the brand new stuff as long as the one I get is good enough to last for a good while.
I don't store MASSIVE files either really so I don't need much more than 10tb. The idea of buying used HDDs for storage makes me a little nervous.

thanks for all the replies though, despite having had a pc for well over a decade now I've been away from hardware stuff for so long that I'm basically a newfag to it.

>>103125450
no it doesn't, the person who filled in all the ram set them ALL to non-ecc / unbuffered despite the fact that I can find kits here that, when I go to the manufactures website, are in fact ECC, some of them are even registered. on top of that EXPO isn't even an option you can filter for

>>103125462
MSI sell that shit, their suprim line. Guy's put his own fans on the radiator. I agree it's better to just custom loop but some are just too lazy for it. Or he bought and built it before the waterblocks came out for the GPU, since the AIO GPU will be available way sooner than the waterblocks come out since Nvidia told the companies making them "fuck off we're giving you no heads up or info go buy one and engineer them yourself". It took months for 4090 ones to turn up.

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managed to fit a 420mm Arctic LF3 into the front of my silent base 802
I think it's neat

>>103125495
Is it actually worth it for xx80/90 series cards in gaming rigs (no crazy production shit), or is more of a novelty for hobbyists?

>>103125308
Praying I can find a used one close to ~$300 when people start upgrading for black Friday and sell their old gear...

>>103125505
In some cases say you NEED your GPU to be 2 slots so you can fit in extra PCIE cards into your case it can come in handy but 99% of the time watercooling a GPU in a gaming PC is for aesthetics.

>>103125514
Dude just buy a 5700X3D. It's 95% of the performance 5800X3D for $200 and you can actually buy it since AMD has literally stopped making the 5800X3D now.

>Workstation: 265K
explain

>>103125524
Got it, thank you for the information.

No no no no please god no I think I got bent pins im fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

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I'm proud of what Dan the Man has become. I hope he can continue to serve me well as i stare at my steam library in 1440p

>>103125566
It’s a good productivity cpu and has a decent price /IO

4080 super should be a $750-800 gpu at most. i dunno why they're all over 1000.

>>103125466
>>103125470

Yes. Even an igpu from 10 years ago could do that.

>>103125588
I'm pretty good at unbending pins unless you're talking about an lga socket.

which brand for each part has the whitest manufacturing chain?

>>103125621
because nvidia controls the market

>>103125499
You mounted it wrong. Flip the radiator or suffer for your sins.

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Asked this in the last thread, but got no responses. How wide does a monitor have to be for 4k to actually be worthwhile and not a diminishing returns meme?
>1080p - 24'
>1440p - 27'
>2160p - ??? 32'?

>>103125666
2160p - 27' or bust

>>103125663
nah

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What a bargain

>>103125666
I for one can easily spot the difference between 1440p and 2160p on a 27" even though many a wiseass assured me that I cannot actually do that

>have aw3225qf for only 10 minutes
>start noticing the edges of panel are bluish on grey backgrounds
not even a year in and it's ogre

>>103125656
yeah and they all should be $750-800 now. i can find a hellhound 7900xtx for around that much used. used 4080 super are almost msrp.

>>103125707
>minutes
months obviously

>>103125708
thank the financially overprivileged trend-chasing retards that want these cards for AIslop generation

>>103125635
I’m just going to see if this hits post and cry when it doesn’t and RMA it
2nd fucking bad board
I’m cursed

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damn

>>103125677
I'm not joking. Expect gurgling noises, potentially higher temps and reduced lifespan of the cooler sue to suboptimal mount.
>>103125682
The best part is that you can't even buy it on amd's store.

>>103125499
mount it on the top you tard

>>103125484
Some ddr5 ram lie about being ecc. I forget what the specific term they use is.

>>103125736
you're wrong, sorry to be blunt, nothing wrong with that installation
waterflow is completely inaudible even under prolonged load and I'm not so inexperienced with watercooling that I can't figure out whether a pump is struggling or not
it's running as smoothly as it ever will
and even on the off chance that it somehow does break, I got this one for 75 eurobucks + free shipping, replacement would not exactly be a wallet killer

>>103125770
are you thinking of on-die ECC? that's still ECC, but it's a mandated ECC for all DDR5. when "ECC" is used for DDR5 it's meant as part of the data transmission which on-die is not

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>>103125270
reject anime embrace Noid

looking for a high reliability, low capacity (~250GB) M.2 for my OS drive. any recs?

>>103125773
>Already rationalizing that having to replace it wouldn't be a huge deal
Lol

>>103125806
anime is better

>>103125810
Just get a 2tb drive anon. 250 will die if used for OS

>>103125816
like I said, you're wrong to begin with
as long as the pump isn't located above the loop's highest point you'll be fine

>>103125810
I feel like you'd want at least 512 but it's your money

>>103125828
surely someone is making 250GB SLC drives that are good for OS

>>103125810
I did that years ago and it's been perpetually at about 20gb left for years
even if you don't put games on it stuff on there builds up

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Looking for advice on building a VR box specifically for virtamate. Seems like I should be going for a 4090 and a cpu with a ton of cores?

Is reductio ad 4k the new official intcel shill marketing strategy?

>>103125831
I'm not the guy who originally replied to you. I just think it's funny that you're going out of your way to say replacing it wouldn't be a big deal. It denotes a lack of confidence you might not even be aware of.

>>103125848
No need to post the decoy hag, we all know what you use it for.

>>103125857
sure thing
stop giving worthless advice

>>103125848
you coom to feet don't you

>>103125773
>>103125831
This anon >>103125816 wasn't me, but he is right. Do whatever you want I guess, there are plenty of resources online that tell you how to properly mount an aio water cooler.

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>>103125868
>Immediate samefag accusations
Lol...

>>103125877
>he is right.
nope, he's actually parroting a common misconception

>>103125725
What the fuck it went past post and booted up my drive I was going to format

>>103125886
I wasn't parroting shit. I just thought it was amusing that you were asserting someone is wrong while simultaneously reasoning how it wouldn't even be a problem if they were actually right.

>>103125904
you sure do love insisting on being smart when the opposite is apparent

>>103125872
No, skinny celebs with big fat titties

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Intelchads, we are getting finewine

>>103126009
you can't patch a ringbus with software

>>103126009
(((Feinwein)))

>>103126009
>fixes
like not crashing when you have a gpu

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Why it's more expensive to get case with no windows and card without RGB? Same with motherboard. I think the only component that cheaper without RGB is RAM. Maybe fans at some cases, but additional fans are usually pointless, because good cases have enough fans by default, like this montech 903 max with 4 fans.

Finished putting the rest of the PC together
Pulled out the SSDs
It went to post in like 2s
I guess it wasn’t bent pins that I saw? Maybe paste?
So weird. If it blue screens later I’ll know for sure

>>103126059
the kind of people buying gaming PCs these days are typically the kind who want everything to light up and probably use it in a room covered in LEDs too.
Honestly just get a case with no windows and get the cheaper RGB stuff, you won't see it anyway

>>103126009
Bad first impressions and reviews are forever

what parts besides the gpu are reasonable to buy used? trying to save as much money as possible

>>103126185
why would any part not be reasonable to buy used? given that the seller isn't fucking your ass with defective goods.

Somewhat related to building a PC I guess.
is a quad core CPU enough for 10Gbps throughput routing for a LAN?
rebbit told me I need at least 8 cores for 10GbE traffic, especially if I needed IPS and VPN.

>>103126059
Economies of scale.

>>103126059
>it's more expensive to get case with no windows
dunno about that, for my case the glass window option was more expensive, and the acrylic windows/no windows options were the same price. phanteks entho pro

>>103126192
>why would any part not be reasonable to buy used
power supply

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>>103125682
turns out it's just 7800x3d but with higher clock. the cache is still on top but they just flipped the chip to cool it from behind.

>>103126213
what if the seller ran it for two hours total?

>>103126216
it's up to you to trust the seller, but for me I'd rather not take the chance

>>103126215
What the fuck is this schizobabble

>>103126238
it's shit

>>103126213
>>103126216
so that means if I were to buy a PC on ebay, I should definitely replace the power supply?

post your anime pc

building a pc seems daunting. ive looked up parts and got even more intimidated, then I found out you could fry components with static wtf

and 11yo kids are out here building this stuff?

>>103126215
It's more like a fixed 7800x3d, the cache bottlenecked it due to it's location in the architecture.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H2rZxg
Budget of 1250 USD, hoping for high setting 1080p/low to medium 1440p gaming.
Trying to future proof myself against un-optimized slop with the 8 core cpu, is there anything i should change?

>>103126361
It's really not. you're overwhelmed because you afraid of not building the perfect PC. in reality you'd be happy with basic components.
start with anything and don't worry too much about the details.
live and learn.

Can bad RAM still show no errors when testing? My PC is experiencing unexplainable periods of stuttering and my web browser sometimes freezes when I'm watching streaming video, no BSOD or anything else major. After doing a ton of troubleshooting, he only thing I can think could be causing this is the RAM. I'm not even running XMP/EXPO atm.

>>103126417
That sounds like a video card problem.
If you want a more sensitive RAM task try running a LLM with LMstudio or gpt4all. I have found that it shows memory instability more easily than the benchmarks I have tried before.

Why am I getting constant adds and sales about buying 3060s?

>>103126452
>he gets adds
lmao
get a load of this guy

>>103126211
they dont even sell the version of my case without a window anymore
the absolute state of everything

>>103126417
use OCCT for RAM testing
if it passes 1 hour don't worry about the RAM, since you aren't even running EXPO

>>103126361
>fry components with static
go touch some grounded metal before touching your components
you can also get one of those cuck bracelets to ground yourself

>>103126397
i'm by no means an expert but you could spend around 700 if 1080p high/1440p mid is your standard

>>103126478
I have tried overclocking my RAM before and used OCCT for testing instability. It showed it was stable but my screen kept flickering from time to time, specially when using an LLM.
It got fixed after I undid the overclocking.

Feel like the current generation of GPUs should be like, 200 bucks cheaper.
a 4070 TI Super at 600 bucks would be amazing, and if you go AMD, a 7900XT at 429 USD; even better. How much do these cost to make?

>>103126417
happened to me with 4 sticks of DDR3 8 years ago
>memtest overnight nothing as well as constant memtesting / error checking & other troubloshooting through the week
>constant BSODs
>remove GPU? BSOD
>swap mobo & cpu? BSOD
>swap PSU? BSOD
>1 stick? BSODs
>other stick? BSODs
>different kit? perfectly fine
>RMA bad sticks
>replacement sticks arrive both BSOD again
>RMA again
>replacement sticks arrive, no more BSOD

>>103126511
Blame bitcoin miners.
The prices will never recover because nvidia are jews and nobody buys amd.

>>103126397
Swap to 5700X3D/B550/DDR4 32GB and you can squeeze a 4070 super into the build for less than 1250. You are basically prioritizing a CPU drop in over a better GPU now. Not sure if that is advisable, perhaps split the baby in half with 4070 and 7600+ stock cooler and cheap but decent B650.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2hCsHG

which cpu thermal paste do you guys recommend? is the mx-6 good?

Is 32 GB enough for AI?

>>103126440
>That sounds like a video card problem.

I haven't gotten any artifacting or anything else that would lead me to believe it's the gpu. When my browser freezes, I get a small spike in CPU usage, and I found I can kick it out of being frozen by moving the window, opening taskbar settings, or opening a video in my media player.

>>103126537
No.
I have 32gb and I maxed it out the firs day I ran an LLM successfully.
If it wasn't because DDR5 craps itself with 4 sticks I would already have 64gb.

>>103126548
How much ram should I get if I want to generate like 30 minute videos??

POST YOUR ANIME PC

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>>103125418
>shouldn't I be able to take the wifi card in and out
yes
>and even attach it into an m2 wifi slot
depends on motherboard, intel has proprietary non-pcie protocol for their m2 wifi slots

>>103126556
I have no experience with video models so I can't help you with that.

>9800x3d
>gigabyte b650 aorus elite ax
>gskill tident 64gb (2 x 32) ddr5-6400
>4090 (already have)
does this seems fine? never thought much about mobo/ram but don't want to limit myself this time

>>103126593
gaymin time

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>>103126505
1 hour is not enough for overclocking
errors can show up very rarely after several hours
but for testing RAM running at stock speeds, i would be confident enough after 1 hour to rule them out as faulty components

>>103126108
Say that to zen5

>>103126009
robert does not look happy
i bet he regrets resigning from AMD

Are solid cases not longer a thing or what

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Just found this at a thrift store, anything I should do to it before I install it?

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>>103126511
4070ti super is 1k euro

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>>103125270
>$300 for 12gb of vram

wat the fak? am I missing something here? this seems insane considering the current market prices of GPUs

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>>103125810
>Optane
virtually unlimited durability
insane price
lost technology

>Samsung 983 ZET PCIe SLC
7440 TBW for 480GB model
is it even available anywhere?

>picrel MLC
1200 TBW for 1TB models
literally the only PCIe MLC drives

>Any random TLC
2400TBW for 4TB model
just set up overprovisioning

>chinesium supposedly SLC aliexpress lottery
chinesium
supposedly
aliexpress
lottery
also not sure they even make ones big enough when 32GB cost $30

>>103126593
If you can afford a 9800x3d maybe you should take a look at the newer motherboards.
Since am5 will last more than 5 years the extra usb c ports and pcie 5 sounds very tempting.

i just need a $400 gpu with 24gb. please intel

990 pro or 990 evo plus? The latter supports PCIE 5 which is why I'm looking to buy it, they're currently at the same price on amazon.

>>103126653
nVidia's 4070 Supers are $600+ with 12 GB of VRAM.

You need the $800+ 4070 Ti Super and up to get 16 GB.

>>103126644
Clean the dust out.

>>103126681
>PCIE 5
do not fall for this shitpost until it is X4

>>103126500
>>103126529
cheers frens

>>103126696
Surely it doesn't hurt if they are the same price?

>>103126738
may aswell wait for samsung to pull their head out of their asses and give you a X4 version next year (no copium)
get a bigger 990 pro instead

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>ddr5
does this shit matter as much as techbros want me to think? I know ram isn't very expensive but AM5 is.
i'm a cheapskate, I'd be fine with am4 rn but goddamn I dont wanna feel fomo

>>103126756 (Me)
forgot to mention that this is exactly what im doing

>>103125394
No

>>103126759
DDR5 fucking sucks
the most disappointing DDR generation so far

with that said, cheap DDR5 will still beat cheap DDR4

>>103125462
No. It's been somewhat of a high end offering for years.

>>103125621
MSRP is $1000 and nVidia probably stopped production a month ago.

>>103126759
AM5 is futureproof.
If you really are a cheapskate you should know.
Just look at am4, how old is it?

>>103125649
PNY

>>103125666
Wide? It's all about view distance.

>>103125682
Free healthcare has a price.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-core-ultra-200-launch-didnt-go-as-planned-promises-performance-fix-by-early-december
>Intel noted that some reviews reported over 180 ns latency, while the company expecte a maximum of 80 ns
yikes dawg

>>103125708
nVidia starts to restrict supply towards the end of product life to keep them at MSRP.

>>103126689
thats my point. 12gb of vram at $300 sounds cheap as fuck

>>103126361
Bro, $4 an hour Chinks are doing it in a factory with suicide nets. You can manage.

>>103126556
there isn't a single AI model that can generate something like that
you'd have to generate it al in like five second chunks, where 32 might be enough because the image and video stuff isn't as bad on RAM as LLMs are

>>103126511
Blame AI fags and crypto miners.

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>>103125666
21.5" is the maximum a 4K display should be.

>>103126408
i want to upgrade my current build that I had someone else build for me. would be a 4080 build

>>103126495
where can I go to learn electrical basics? i'm quite stupid in that department, yes

>>103126847
i had 140 on my first aida 64 run. then everyone after was ~74

>>103126786
>the most disappointing DDR generation so far
what

>>103126943
>xe actually bought a core ultra
wtf is wrong with you

>>103126946
more latency
more stability issues
the only redeeming factor is that you can get 24GB sticks

>>103126946
DDR4 > DDR > DDR3 >DDR2 > DDR5

>>103126361
I was tinkering with PCs when I was 11, though with old unwanted office desktops, not new premium parts lmao
with that being said, I never outright destroyed anything
it's not intimidating at all if you get a grasp of the basics and generally have more technical ability than a chimp
so if you're the kind of fumbler that regularly destroys electronics by merely being in their vicinity, then yes, you should not attempt to build a PC
but if you're able to comprehend instruction manuals and use tools correctly you're fit to engage

>>103126987
what's so good about nonbinary sticks?

>>103126200
>>>/g/hsg is more likely to know than us.

>>103126976
i am the anon that went with core ultra due to better motherboard options

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>>103127057
>better motherboard options
Such as?

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how exactly did they expect it to go? did they not test their own shit?

>>103127068
anon. i dont need to explain my build to you. and I don't want your cookie cutter recs. just know that x870e has what I need/want

>>103127076
global competency crisis

>>103127081
So you got the shittiest CPU of all time for what exactly? The worst chipset of all time?

>>103127076
I remember they had a last minute change going from 20A to Tsmc N3. maybe it had to do with that

I'm getting some crazy visual glitches in pretty much every game I play with the exception of minecraft

yeah my GPU is dying but why is minecraft working normally?

What is likely going to be the best 2TB NVME to get over BF? Ideally DRAM and Gen 4

>>103127116
Sounds vram related

>>103127116
it means your gpu is unstable. you can try downclocking it for stability and remember to clear your shader cache to delete corrupted shaders

>>103127017
means you can get more memory without having to go dual rank and reduce memory speed
that wasn't really an issue on DDR4 but again, DDR5 comes with more stability issues

>>103126928
Incorrect 43 inch for 4k and no bigger especially for a desktop monitor

>>103126847
>glued together
happy coding intel
Does anyone know if anyone somewhere has tested it when the shittcores are deactivated?

Will a type C header on a 9 pin USB 2 fucks up my pc? really wanted to use my front panel type C port, but my b550 don't have the header for it

>>103127207
the ecore have the better performance due to low latency

>>103127202
nta
do you use the LG c series tv at the 42 inch size? i want one for the consoles with powered stereo speakers on it and a pc on the side with a monitor

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>>103127245
um yeah, about that...

>>103127242
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GKLN7RT

I recently did a B550m build and used one of these. Worked fine. Make sure to install the drivers.

>>103125666
You'll never get a clear response, because pixel density is a meme. Somehow 1080p is fine at 24" yet 1440p needs to be 27" instead of 32" which is the same density as 1080/24. And with enough desk space you can effectively change it in real time by moving the monitor/peripherals.
You're getting more pixels = more detail either way, and whether you need the ultrasharp-supertight image of 27" 4k or not depends on your preferred viewing distance(s) and how much you give a fuck.

>>103127057
am5 boards are a travesty tbqh
the intel board program really helps aibs make better boards

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>>103127251

>>103125545
>5700X3D
Any chance it might drop in price during black friday now that the 9800x3d is out?

>>103127068
>gen3 m.2
>already vandalized before you bought it
>only 3 m.2. slots
>cut down audio ports
>no post code
>no x8/x8
>2dpc
couldn't you have picked a better board to argue your point?

Will a type C header on a 9 pin USB 2 fucks up my pc? really wanted to use my front panel type C port, but my b550 don't have the header for it

why are 90% of ram kits XMP validated with boards but like 30% are EXPO validated?

>>103127141
>>103127155
I purchased a new GPU and a minute later the problem was gone

what the fuck is going on

>>103127279
thats CACHE latency wtf

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>>103127251
>>103127279
p core latency is now ~74 reliably . this is an older grab

>>103127289
asked and answered.>>103127258

>>103127290
amd cpus don't run fast ram
memory makers like making fast ram since its free money for them (e.g. 8200mhz 48mhz kit costing 90% as much as 6400mhz 96gb kit at launch)

>>103127251
thanx anon

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Quick, dumb question -
I know when matching RAM sticks in a PC you're stuck with whatever the lowest frequency stick is. Does any limitation or bottleneck apply in terms of mix-matching capacity?

For example, 4 sticks of RAM that have the same CAS and frequency, but two 16GB sticks and two 8GB sticks.
I'm having issues with two of my sticks not able to reach their advertised speed which is why I want to swap them out, but I don't really need the extra capacity.

>>103127279
seems fake
>>103127301
looks alright, but performance is still horrible because of ring, d2d and ngu latency

>>103127281
Anon your 11.11 alicoins

>>103127301
if it does 74 ns with out of the box XMP settings then that's fine
if it does 74 ns after max overclocking and tuning then that's still shit

>>103127258
>>103127303
Sorry for double, but thanks anon!

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>>103127285
>couldn't you have picked a better board to argue your point?
Most anons here think a good board is anything that has a 16X slot and an M.2

It is amazing the options for boards on Intel atm, AMD boards are so fucking cut down in comparison.

>>103127309
There should be no specific issues when mixing and matching capacity specifically, but plenty of possible issues inherent to mixing 4 sticks at all:
1) dual sided sticks are harder to drive than single sided
2) depending on motherboard topology any 4 sticks may be harder to drive than any 2 sticks
3) sometimes chips from different manufacturers refuse to cooperate regardless of size
All together this can lead to a mixed set not reaching peak speed of any of its pair or even four identical sticks

Also you can actually mix and match different sticks per channel, it is recommended for maximum performance but not mandatory to have equal total size and total number of sides per channel.
For example channel 1: 16GB double sided, channel 2: 2x8GB single sided should theoretically (see #3 above) work exactly as good as 2x16 or 4x8

>>103127309
you can run 8-16-8-16 and get an effective 48gb dual channel setup
x-8-x-16 would be subpar since you would only have 16gb of dual channel and 8gb of single channel performance

>>103127374
The current RAM I have is only two sticks, literally identical from Silicon Power. Checking reviews, other people have the same issue of them sticking at 2666Mhz versus 3200Mhz.
I'd been troubleshooting this but only recently realized it was the RAM itself and is essentially unfixable, a few hours before realizing this I ordered new 16x2GB sticks to bump up to 16X4 quad channel (same brand and CAS but different model sticks).

This is the RAM I ordered:
https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820301435

So now I'm thinking since the original RAM I have in there is bugged, I'll be stuck at 16x4 2666Mhz, but I could buy the 2x8GB model they have here and still have quad channel with 48GB RAM and then hit my target 3200Mhz. Reviews on this one seem ok, so theoretically no frequency issue.
>>103127391
Thank you, would that combo work well for Zen3? I remember seeing that Zen3 benefits quite a bit from quad channel versus dual performance.

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9800x3d is back in stock at Micro Center. Should I buy in case they run out again? I won't be building anything until Black Friday and I can get my other components.

Anybody ever substitute mobos or ram with the Micro Center CPU bundles? The ones they have bundled with the 9800x3d aren't great.

>>103127410
>Thank you, would that combo work well for Zen3?
It depends on what speed you'll be able to achieve since zen3 really scales with memory up to 3733mhz. the performance penalty will be huge if you have to back it down to 3000mhz or lower with 4 sticks.
>quad channel
zen3 only has dual channels so performance tapers off after you have 2 sticks. (there is slight benefit to using two single sided or 1 dual sided ram sticks per channel because of memory interleaving, not because of quad channel)

Will Drumpf's tariff affect price in Europe?

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>>103126009
What did I say?
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/102954184/#102955815

>>103127446
Ok. I don't think I really need more than 32GB RAM capacity.
Most cost effective then to just replace the two fucky wucky 16x2 sticks I have now with the fresh 16x2 I have coming in and call it a day? Run them dual channel, assuming they can reach 3200Mhz+?

>>103127511
Yeah that will be for the best

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>>103127516
Cool, thanks.

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>>103127503
Their latest cope is that the 9800x3d is only good for 720p or 1080p gaming with a 4090

it would be funny if intel is able to get apo working on everything and we see massive performance increases in games

>>103127535
I remember looking at a Intel review and the guy had a bunch of steps to make it as good as an AMD one.

Just delid it, install this bios, install this custom cooling paste from china, mess around with the voltage, get this type of ram and now its as good as a amd cpu.

>>103125270
Whoever built this is mega retarded.
You're drawing hot air from the CPU AIO. Mount the CPU AIO on the top position, exhausting hot air directly out.
Shift the GPU radiator up by a fan's length so your pump isn't at the same level as the top of the radiator.
God you're fucking retarded.
>Microwave oven vent
nvm this faggot is a rentoid cuckold as well.
Can't even afford a real vent

>>103127419
Black Friday is literally in two weeks, get it now while it is in stock, it won't get any cheaper.

>>103127535
>Just wait for arrow lake
better change the meme to panther lake

>>103127584
front aio seems to be exhaust
look at difference between white ring size on each side of the fans: bigger white line = unobscured intake, smaller white lines = exhaust obscured by black plastic holding motor
so overall airflow is from top to front, unironically doubling as space heater

Question about PCIE slots.. I noticed the asrock x870e nova has a PCIE 5.0 slot for the GPU and then two other slots being PCIE 3.0 (x1 and x16). Do capture cards or soundcards require PCIE 4.0 to work well? Or is PCIE 3.0 enough power for either one I want?

>>103127730
yes.
yes.

>>103127730
>Do capture cards or soundcards require PCIE 4.0 to work well
depends on the card. whatever you get will probably specify the pcie requirements

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god i want to CONSUUUUUUUME so badly

>>103127948
9700x for $300? why

>>103127948
>$200 ram

>>103127246
More of a /bst/ response, so I posted there
>>103128062

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>>103125270
intel is cooked

X670E Wifi and 96gb 6400 cl34 ram for 750aud new off ali good? then gonna save for a 98x3d scalpywalpy

my ryzen 3900x standbies at 30w, 54C.
is this normal? I'm using an air cooler.

>9950x3d out January at the earliest
You guys think motherboards will finally be priced reasonably by then. These prices right now are just straight up scams that make scalpers look affordable.

>>103128192
you know you don't have to buy an X870 right?
the B650M HDV/M.2 runs a 9950X just fine

>>103125353
unbuffered ram is called UDIMM, registered is called RDIMM
look up ddr5 udimm, usually v-color ones are EXPO since theyre most commonly used on threadripper
see https://v-color.net/products/ddr5-ecc-udimm-servermemory

>>103128172
Unless you have a really good use for those 96gb of RAM I'd go for 64gb with a lower Cas Latency.

Using a 5600x + 3070, struggling to run any new releases above low 1440p 144hz with dlss performance/balanced. What do you suggest?

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Is there a website where I put in my goals and it spits out a build?
Right now I want to build a new PC for 1440p at either 60fps or 120fps playing modern games on ultra.

>>103125566
you are getting scammed

>new 50 minute buildzoid rant
fuck yes!

>>103128255
buy a 8800XT in January.

>>103125707
picc???? im considering that monitor too
damn

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9mjwrM

I'm in Canada, budget is 2K to 2.5K.

I'm gonna be honest guys. I don't keep up with PC parts/building news. I just make a new PC every 5 years on the fly, and for this one I just smashed a bunch of stuff from the OP into a list and hoped for the best.

My only goal with this build is to play most games at 1440p on the second highest graphics at 60 fps minimum. Anyone have ideas on where I can save money or get some performance improvements?

>>103128265
just use logical increments and match the GPU to your goal

>>103128303
My friend, you have selected a 6 core that comes with a stock cooler and a nearly $200 360mm AIO.... What are you coming from maybe you want more than 6 cores? I would say only 12 or 16 cores justify that. You don't need a cooler that big at all for the 65W 7600. I would honestly see if the stock cooler is good enough since it's included already and that cpu will be excelltn for 100's of fps, not just 60. I just cut the cooler and for the same price, you can upgrade to a 4080.

any chance of a 9700x3d getting released? I just want a cheaper x3d

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>put new build together
>it takes all day because instead of just throwing a mobo+ram+cpu into a metal shitbox I actually went tryhard for once and managed the cables and populated all my fans and used my first non-air cooler
>ok looks like everything is hooked up, time to do a quick and dirty power on test before I even put any panels back on or plug in any peripherals or monitor or gpu even
>press raw exposed button thing
>nothing happens
>check connections to the mobo
>take off fpanel connector and short the power pins
>nothing
>check psu, see nothing wrong
>pace around frustrated and thinking
>put top panel on so I can press the power button properly
>nothing of course
>check psu one last time
>find I forgot to plug the +4 or whatever in with the +20 it was just floating next to it
>derpderpderp
>I'm not too used to modular psus in my defense
>plug the 4 pin atx in
>press the button
>ROARS to life
>hurricane force winds but nary a whisper of sound nearly rip the flesh off my bones
>searing white light from my $300 AIO as if Luce_(jubilee_2025) just absolved me of sin with a tribeam, permanent eye floater as a result
>cycles through codes and debug led lights
>when it stops error code means ide reset, awaiting input basically, led is boot, no Bootable drive or media so again sensible
It lives... IT LIVES AHAHAHAA! I was pretty worked up there for a second.

>>103128323
>Logical increments
ishygddt

Fuck, I dont see a reason to upgrade my 7950x3d to a 9800x3d but the rumors over the 9950c3d make it seem like a contender.

>>103128338
wait for 7700x3d to come out first before even thinking about the 9700x3d

>>103128090
>14th gen are the only Intel ones in the list despite everyone knowing by now that they have problems
Kek

>>103128265
>modern games on ultra
You'll probably need to get a 4070 Ti Super or a 4080 Super.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bXwRsp
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FR6NnQ/gigabyte-gaming-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-16-gb-video-card-gv-n407tsgaming-oc-16gd

>>103128360
My 4070 OC does it.

>>103128178
It's normal for ryzen cpus to idle in the 40s/50s. Though I fell for the 3700x stock cooler meme so my CPU is basically coughing up blood at this point and is lucky to ever see below 50

>>103128357
facts dont work on brand brains

>>103128369
I got 14th gen, heard all the fearmongering, looked into it and found out it's a nothingburger if you actually configure your motherboard properly so I got it.

>>103128383
>found out it's a nothingburger if you actually configure your motherboard properly so I got it.
it absolutely is a problem, I hope you have updated your bios.

>>103128393
Of course, limit power and undervolt and cap vid requests to like 1.45. If all else fails you do know they extended the warranty on those parts to 5 years right? That's about my cpu upgrade cycle so it's perfect

>>103128303
You can save about CA$300
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/7sGrxg
ASUS TUF has a 305mm card length, which should fit in that case.
If you don't want an ASUS card, get the PNY XLR8 but it's 30mm longer.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/ztbRsY/pny-xlr8-gaming-verto-epic-x-rgb-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-16-gb-video-card-vcg4070ts16tfxxpb1-o

PSU is good with a 10-year warranty.
https://hwbusters.com/psus/fsp-vita-gm-850w-atx-v3-1-psu-review/

>>103128339
>4-DIMMs
Are you the Eve Online dude?
Good to see you figured it out.

Is this Asrock x870 mobo okay for a 9800x3d? It's only a little bit more than a typical B650, and you get more bells and whistles like USB 4

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162164

>>103128178
Seems a bit high. My 5800X3D is air-cooled idles at ~30W, ~35C. This is with a mesh type case w/ a Noctua U12A, -20 curve offset.

I can't remember exactly, but idle temps were maybe 10C higher before any tweaking.

>>103128445
Yeah, it's decent.

>>103128444
Yes
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XTagNXUTlk4&
Best game ever made.

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https://x.com/UnbendableStraw/status/1854678069065531728

damn wish i could get shit like this

>>103128475
What speed are those sticks running at?

>>103128484
Don't know yet, hoping to get 5200 but I haven't finished the prep work to migrate off my old pc since the build for the new one took longer than expected. I'll do it tomorrow.

>>103128489
Make sure you update the board to the latest bios, or the CPU will start to request dangerously high voltages whenever it anticipates a heavy workload.

>>103128498
Yeah I'll be smart

How is the GPU compatibility of the antec C8?, I have an RTX 4080 SUPER VENTUS 3X OC hooked up with a Lian Li Strimer Plus V2 on my td500 mesh (not v2) and I cannot close it so I want to "upgrade" to a dual chamber and both the c5 and c8 look interesting

Ive owned/built PCs for 12 years, never upated a BIOS. Is it actually necessary for an X670 Tomahawk?

>>103128508
>Antec C5/8
They're both spacious enough to house an RTX 40 series Strix, you might need to buy a 12V-2x6 90° cable
https://www.antec.com/product/case/c8
https://www.antec.com/product/case/c5

>>103128518
Some of the AM5 BIOS updates improved memory compatibility, so yes.
Most board manufacturers update it before it's packed into the box.

>>103128540
I guess a better question is should I do it if my PC already functions perfectly?

>>103126465
> they dont even sell the version of my case without a window anymore
That's what I'm thinking about

>>103125499
Please flip that radiator....please

>436 AUD for a shitty AM5 motherboard, 32gb of 5200CL40 that I'd have to tune and a 7500F from Aliexpress.
>228 AUD for a 5700X3D
>159 AUD for a 5600

does this look like a scam to you guys?
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005007968713954.html

>>103128635
Buy it and enjoy your rx 550

>>103128561
there is no point bro

>>103128635
Yes.

Anyone here knowledgeable in RAM able to explain why people say that 6000-6400mhz with the lowest CL possible is better than 8000/8200mhz kits for the 9800x3d?

>>103125736
>reduced lifespan of the cooler sue to suboptimal mount
you are severely misguided

>>103128704
you can run the IMC at 3000-3200mhz with 6000-6400mbps ram but you can only do 2000-2050mhz on the IMC if using 8000-8200mbps ram
8000mbps is actually faster than 6400 since you can run 1:1 synchronized clocks with the infinity fabric (~2000mhz) but its not easy to do on many motherboards

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>>103128704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcn_nvWGj7U

tl;dr you're limited by the fabric connecting the IO die to the CCD and you need to win the silicone lottery with the CPU and mobo to run that fast RAM
Hopefully Zen6 updates the IO and IF but for the time being the sweet spot remains 6000CL30

>>103128728
your confusing the uclk with fclk anon

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>>103128704
>>103128728
also it's not just "people say", recent benchmarks on the 98X3D show basically a rounding error in performance for 6000 vs 8000 MT/s

>>103128734
wym?

>>103128723
>>103128728
>>103128750
Thank you, guys. A lot of this shit goes over my head, but these responses made it more understandable. My only other question is, I see some brands have dropped 6000mhz cl28 kits, would those be better than cl30?

>>103128750
fclk is limited to 2100-2233mhz regardless of what ram you run
being limited to 6400 1:1 is because of the memory controller (uclk) that can't run above 3200mhz

>>103128782
>cl28
"yes" but it's again a rounding error - if you can get it for the same price as an equivalent cl30 then it's fine but don't bother looking for it explicitly, cl30 with good secondary timings is enough - this review (no gaming benches) compared cl28 vs cl30 on 98X3D if you're interested in different use cases
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-linux

>>103128783
desu anon I thought I was implying that by saying you're limited by the fabric between IO and CCD, but thanks for the specifics

so nobody able to run it at 8400:2100:2100

>>103128230
it was cheaper and quicker than more expensive smaller 64gb kits

/v/ said my 79xtx was shit for vr yet on 24.7.1 drivers its pretty quick and runs 5k res no problemos seems my 13600k is a bottleneck in beamng with lots of mp mods and even sp with ai cars

Since the 9800x3d launched theres been really confusing discussion around the "what cpu one should buy"
Theres people saying intel is bad because at 1080p this amd cpu does better, even if intel does way better in multicore.
Or that one shouldnt use 1440p benches because they're gpu bottlenecked, except your actual system is 1440p and will be gpu bottlenecked. Or some people even lash out at reviewers doing 1440p benches because 9800x3d doesnt look as hot in those. Then other reviewers do 720p testes to REALLY showcase how much better these cpus are relative to others, and this is useful information to consumers somehow.

kinda strange.

>>103128963
It is useful information. The people complaining about resolutions fundamentally lack the understanding of what cpu reviews are for

I got a 5700x3d. Should I upgrade to 7800/9800x3d before trump tariffs or is 5700x3d enough for at least 4 years? I don't want to pay 60% extra for the same thing because some politician is being a bitch.
I'm on 1440p and won't be going for 4k anytime soon.

>>103128990
lets ignore the reviews, they can do whatever they want
whats the information you'll need to go "heres a good cpu for your mid tier gpu 1440p system"
Well its not 720p benches

Could MOBO bios updates lead to increased CPU performance in the future? Both for new Intel/AMD chipsets that haven't had all the kinks worked out. Sorry if this is a retard question.

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R8 my 3200usd (270000 INR) rig /pcbg/
>4080 super
>7800x3d
>O11D Evo
>64gb ddr5 6000cl30
>6tb ssd

>>103129020
Yes, but small ones and I wouldn't count on it happening in the first place

>>103129011
yes it is, you buy the best cpu you can afford on that list.

>>103129011
That question is more complex than you think. Different scenes within the same game and different games (even more) have differing amounts of CPU bottlenecks. To say X CPU is good enough for 1440p is to assume what the buyer is going to play or do with the CPU.

And to be fair, those 1440p benchmarks you're looking for are out there so I don't know whg people are complaining about 1080p and 720p benchmarks.

>ASRock PG27QFT2A
>Ryzen 9800X3D
>Palit 4080S GamingPro
>B650 Steel Legend Wifi
>XPG Lancer 2x16GB 6000/30
>850W Super Flower Leadex VII XG
What CPU Cooler (pref air) and Case do you recommend? I'm looking for white parts.

>>103128963
Yeah it's a tricky one. 720p Low gives you a really clear picture of what is technically best but it's so unrealistic that it wraps around to being useless. Benching at 1440p/4k Ultra gives you a chart where the top two-thirds are functionally identical. Not a CPU test at that point.
I somewhat like the approach where they try to stay just barely CPU bottlenecked so you get scaling but it's close. For a naive consumer that's about as realistic as it gets without falling into the "GPU review" trap above.
Of course the proper solution is just to educate your audience. Say "This benchmark shows relative performance when CPU bound. Such a situation is unlikely at everyday settings but will become more likely as you upgrade the video card" or words to that effect. As always though, consumers don't do nuance so we get the exact discussion you're complaining about.

>>103129046
peerless assassin white and fractal design north

>>103129039
amdunboxed said they literally hide 1440p benches because they feel its misleading consumers and think you should just buy the best gpu on the 1080p chart you can afford and call it a day

I feel its a bit tasteless approach

>>103129046
Cooler:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#Y=8200000&sort=price&page=1&H=130000000,172000000
Technically any of these will work but you probably want a dual tower for better hysteresis control and general noise reasons. The perennial PA120 is available in white but I'd personally balk at paying 50 bucks for that Chinesium block. Unfortunately it does look like the best you can do under these constraints so you might just have to swallow it. Pity about the whole Deepcool fiasco because the Assassin IV looks damn sexy in white.
The selection does open up if you include AIOs. Seems to be a more competitive market in that colour so maybe worth considering.

Case:
Loads more choice. Use the colour filter to find something you like and check reviews for performance. What sort of aesthetic are you looking for? Minimal, RGB, fishtank, aggressive?

>>103129022
It's not yours if somebody else touched/build it

We need new thread.

>>103129048
The problem is that you are essentially actually futureproofing and using a lower resolution shows you that difference that will eventually pay off. To actually show how useful it is practically, you would need to time travel to get an RTX 6090/7090 for benchmarking to tell you the difference which is impossible. I do agree though you need that nuance but I think with that, showing realistic today benchmarks at that desired 1440p/4k and then the lower resolution ones to quantify that difference when it will become the case when a more powerful processor releases is the best way to present that information to people.

>>103128476
No usecase aside from watching hidamari sketch.

>>103129152
Yes definitely. I wish HWUB, or anyone else, would do more of those "CPU bench at GPU settings" reviews. You don't need many to give normies a good picture; maybe once per quarter.

7800XT from a real store or 7900GRE, 10% cheaper, from a shady importer, with no warranty? In a shithole so options are limited.
>inb4 wait
I've been using a 980Ti since it came out, I think I've waited enough.

>>103129161
kek

>>103129218
7800xt

>>103129224
That one is a Sapphire Pulse, is there anything wrong with this version besides minimally lower clocks?

>>103129242
Nah it's fine

Is it a dumb idea to buy a $100 Epyc off eBay considering you'll have to spend at least $300 on a motherboard?

>>103129257
If you won't actually use it in a server or at least a rendering machine, yeah it's dumb.

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this is an nvme drive that sits under the cpu and the cpu does get hot sometimes, around 85 in cyberpunk for example. i will be replacing the stock cooler on it but for now should i be worried bros

>>103129326
an ssd getting to around 60-70C under a workload is normal, dunno about beyond that. would at least want proper airflow in the case

I need a graphics card. Fuck. Pairing it with a 5700x3d.

>>103129392
8800XT if you can wait to January, otherwise 7900XT

>>103129392
Just walk into a Microcenter and steal one, that's what I did.

>>103129392
wait until ces for 5000

Hi anons, 9800X3D on the way
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qBT8TM
Intend to pick up 5090 when I can, just rolling with a 3080TI till then.

Only thing I'm not really sure about is the PSU. I intend to do an overclock, I'll be running a triple rad custom loop. Mobo is a bit overpriced but I can't get a Nova and I don't like the MSI Tomahawk. Also, any good cheap air cooler to run it aircool for a bit to test the system?

>>103129424
>5090
>overclocking

Can you even get enough voltage from an american outlet for that?

>>103129476
OCing the 9800x3d

>>103129071
>>103129095
Thanks anons. Wish you best.

why did they stop making 5800x3d?
now im not sure if ill buy 5700x3d or spend 800$ on 9800x3d/mobo/ram

>>103129506
what gpu you use and what res?

>>103129536
4090 4k

>>103129546
the cpu isnt going to make a big difference at 4k
you should buy a 1080p monitor

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>>103129552
>the cpu isnt going to make a big difference at 4k
wrong

>>103129584
well okay 1 fps is technically a difference
go ahead, spend 800€ for it