>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC>CPUGaming: 12400, 7600, 9800X3DWorkstation: 265K, 9900X, 9950X>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge/Arctic Liquid Freezer III, Hyte THICC Q60Double towers: ID-Cooling FROZN A620 PRO SE, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67>MOTHERBOARDASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, B650 Steel Legend, cheap X870>RAMDDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GBDDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30Workstation/high end: consider 2x48GB>SSD (OS drive)Budget: SN580Mid range: NM790Premium: Samsung 990 Pro (Windows only), SN850XFlagship: Sabrent Rocket 5>GPU1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT1440p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7900 GRE2160p: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XTXWorkstation: RTX 4000 Series>CASE (from $ to $$$)mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air MiniATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/IIIAVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases>PSUBudget: Gold rated 500-600W PSUMid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max loadHigh end: Seasonic PRIME TXAVOID: GAMEMAXPSU buying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)>MONITOR1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E21440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansHigh end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)Previous: >>103118340
remember to buy 9800x3d for those sweet 1% lows at 1440pit also futureproofs your pc when you buy a 6090
I got 16 cores, how can I keep them all busy?
>>103121395run benchmarks
So I put this third fan on my phantom spirit, it doesn't really seem to help with temps or anything but it looks kind of cool, I like massive air coolers. No problems with leaving it there right?
>>103121475also any best way to change the extra fan clips to black? I was just gonna spraypaint them with flex seal paint since I have that on hand. It makes stuff kind of rubbery but it's just for looks.
>>103121475make sure its facing the right direction
>>103121486They're all blowing towards the rear of the case, I did make sure of that. I just don't know if the middle fan might get throttled or something by the extra airflow. They're all the same fan model, same speed through a PWM hub so I am guessing it's fine.
>>103121371>Tsmc is scrambling to squeeze out as much as possible out the the chip act before trump comes in and change the terms and gives all the money to pat
Which one? I would have trusted seasonic more but after I learned the OEM is Helly instead of seasonic themselves I got a little spooked.The be quiet unit also has more protections for whatever it's worth and the difference between the two is like 5$ so I rather go with the more quality choice.Wattage is more than enough for both also, even leaving me room for a stronger GPU in the future.Looking online I see more problems with be quiet, specifically their fan, but it's also a way more popular unit than the seasonic one so that probably evens it out.
>>103121503its pretty sad all you hear about intel on the news is how they're begging money from the government
>>103118533the 7600x3d exists because the 7900x3d nobody buys was torn down and turned into a 7600x3d and a 7600
>>103121506I got a be quiet. It's fine but extra cables are hard to find, like if you want custom shorter ones or low profile cables, they're out there but not as available as more common brands. Other than that it's a fine unit.
Is 850W PSU enuf for 9800x3d+4080S at stock settings?
>>103121552It's the non modular version so I don't think I can do much about the cables anyway
>>103121503Tsmc invested 100s of billions in the usa because of trump and didnt even get any chips act money. I remember how trump made the little chinklet ceo dance like a dog and pat him on the back for being a good boy. thats 1 of the reason that ceo was fired.
My fellow chuds, I have good newsAntonline has 9800x3d in stock again
>>103121371>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICEbudget: 1000$ my actual build rn: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crMGBLshould i complete upgrade since on aliexpress 11.11 or just change my gpu to a 6600 xt and play another decade?
Do I buy that 1080p 24 inch monitor with good bfi even at 60hz or do I buy a 27 inch 1440p monitor? IPS either way.
>>103121497quite sure there are plenty of videos on youtube where 3rd fan does fuck all
>>103121634>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crMGBLhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/RYLG3wkeep your case and PSU, get a 5700X3D from aliexpress
>>103121575Non modular is icky, semi modular is fine.
>>103121634That's a really old CPU and you are definitely going to see a bottleneck with the 6600xt but I am not sure how much. Theoretically it should be quite big though.I guess you could just get the GPU for now and then see whether you are satisfied with the performance as well as how it compares to a 6600xt running something like a 12100f and then go from there. But if you want a really cheap upgrade a 12100f should be a night/day difference with it and you could get it with a motherboard for like 150$ total.
>>103121667Yeah it doesn't change temps. But it looks more beefy which I like. The extra fan was like $11 anyway. And at least if one goes bad I have it before its unobtainable.
>>103121634budget build would be something like am5, 7600, 32gb ddr5 ram, 2tb nvme ssd, Thermalright cpu cooler + some airflow focused case would be a decent base pc. PSU could be reused if you dont feel like spending a 100 on new one.am4 would technically be cheaper but I wouldnt buy a platform thats done and dusted by now.The gpu depends, you can watch out of used ones like 3080 or buy some 300$ 4060 new. 6800 maybe for similar perf as ps5 pro but worse upscaling than nvidia. RT is pretty useless on low end gpus anyway.
>>103121681>Non modular is icky, semi modular is fine.Does it affect anything though or is it just a convenience thing?
>>103121634I upgraded my GPU then a year later got new mobo/ram/cpu. I got more frames in muh games but after the second upgrade It was like a whole new upgrade for the GPU to actually run at full pcie gen 4 speed, got 20-30fps more. So yeah, it's not that bad. It was an upgrade twice and just feels good to get more value out of something I already bought, even if technically I was wasting some of its potential for a year.
>>103121698Just convenience, maybe a bit of impact on airflow to have extra unused cables in your case but not really that bad, like it wouldn't stop me if I was just trying to be cheap and get a low cost PSU.
All I need for battlemage is 24gb for <$400
>>103121371I got lucky with a mid 4 figure payout on crypto shitcoin gambling, and I want to go full hog with a gaymin pc with 9800x3d and 4090, but I'm unsure what to build around those 2 core components, upper limit is £4k.I've had a potato for a while now, I want to treat myself to 6-8 years worth of power
>>1031217495090 will be out soon
Kinda crazy how irrelevant the CPU becomes at higher resolutions. Kinda makes me want to spend a little extra on the monitor to save the hassle of having to upgrade my CPU in the future.
>9800X3D STOCK UPDATE>OcUK stock is currently held at UK customs. Our first shipment is now sold out and allocated, expected mid to late w/c 11th November 2024. Our second shipment is now sold out and allocated, expected w/c 18th November. Our third shipment is now sold out and allocated, expected December 2024. We are no longer accepting orders as we do not expect stock until early 2025. Please sign up for stock notifications, or join our forums or Discord to be the first to know when stock is available.You did manage to snag one, right?
>>103121778that's why you get a dual mode monitor that does 480hz at 1920x1080 and 240hz at 4k
>>103121749wait for 9950x3d and 5090 announcement first
>>103121749I can advise on a case, unless you're going for a small PC in which case ignore this. Phanteks Enthoo Pro, I got the older Pro model with no glass and drive bays, but if you like glass they have that option, and the version 2 has no 5.25"/3.5" slots. I put my old BD drive in there just because I'm not ready to throw it away yet, and a handy little 5.25" drawer for USB sticks and a card reader.It's huge, has great dust filtration, great airflow, and great cable management. I have pretty much no complaints with it, my only regret is buying a shitty fractal design pop air first, because that sucked even though it looks good.
>All these people going crazy over having the latest and greatest CPUIf you are spending 500$ on a CPU I know for a damn fact you retards are playing at 1440p at the bare minimum, most of you almost certainly at 4k.Which makes the whole obsession with CPUs really bizzare. A damn i3 can run a 3080 with almost no bottleneck at that resolution.
>>103121833I actually don't game I just run heavy dev workflows and prefer a desktop over a laptop for its longer lifespan and upgradability.And I also just like getting top of the line equipment for my builds even if I don't absolutely need it. Then I run it for 5-8 years until it feels old and slow.
>>103121833no it cannot.
>>103121833You don't play 4k, do you? With a 4090 and a 12700k I'm more often than not cpu bound, especially with dlss. It depends on the game of course, but see monster hunter wilds, my gpu was at most at 80% usage when hunting, even less when not and I could barely reach 60fps
>9800X3D costs the same as a 14900k in our country.of course!
HURRY THE FUCK UP!!
>>103121833True, but maybe they like racing games.
>>103121833>A damn i3 can run a 3080 with almost no bottleneck at that resolutionin AAA playstation port slop(shit no one cares about)
>>103121833But the their favorite ecleb told them to buy now
>>103121371Are the GPU recommendations a joke? A 4070 for 1080p? Why not something cheaper?
>>103121913calm down Userbenchmark
>>103121870>With a 4090 and a 12700k>cpu bottle neckLMAO. There's literally no cpu bottleneck in any game at 4k with this combination. Even in wilds. Just admit that you want to consoom products like a retard
>>103121926>t. Advanced Marketing Devices
>>103121833My 4090 has been cpu bottlenecked in plenty of games at 4K since 2022. I also use DLSS so x3D has been tempting for a long time. If I get it and see no difference, I got a few buddies lined up who want it for their upcoming builds. I told them how dismayed I was over paying $500 for 8 cores and they don't even give a shit or see an issue, it's the best. AMD has 100% become the new Intel.
>>103121927Dlss ultra performance with frame gen on? I've gotten nowhere close to that, at best some very unstable 60fps with dlss quality and frame gen off
>>103121923> Are the GPU recommendations a joke? A 4070 for 1080p? Why not something cheaper?Because it's nowadays requirements, poorfag. Go grab baseline PS5.
>>103121954Frame Gen onDLSS set to DLAA
>>103121833They're called Hypebeasts. They always buy the latest shit even if it doesnt make sense.New $300 pair of Jordan shoes Gotta cop them.New $1200 RTX 4080 Super gotta cop that.New $1000 iPhone model gotta cop that as well.New $500 CPU gotta pair that with my new Super.
>>103120596> Does using 2 identical sets of 2 ram sticks decrease the performance or increase the latency?> Or would they perform the same as if itwas a set of 4 sticks?It will choose random slowest specs. At worst based DDR clock (2666/4800 for latest DDR)4 sticks is always a bad idea.>>103121207> Do non modular PSU have a slightly higher idle power consumptionNon modular PSU are usually baseline shit with pwm.
>500 that could be going to a 5090 that'll give you a significantly bigger performance boost at 4kyou guys are actually retarded i think also you blindly buy whatever techjesus tells you to because you can't think for yourselves. the 9800x3d is a good upgrade if you are multiple cpu generations behind, but for anything released in the past 4 years you don't really need to unless you just want to spend money.
>>103121964>frame gen onYeah, no, I'm not going to use it on a game that doesn't keep stable 60>dlss set to dlaaThat's fair, I wasn't sure which % was the gpu usage since the screenshot has like 10 different values for the gpu
>>103121974>4 sticks is always a bad idea4 stick is a good idea on DDR4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ
>>103121980I get 80-120 fps depending on area density with my settings. Again this is with a 4090 and 12700k. Look at GPU usage. Always maxed.
>>103121833This right here is quality bait
>>103121991It's the % after gpu temp btw. You probably have something stupid like core isolation enabled in windows tanking your FPS.
Does the RAM brand matter at all as long as the specs are what I want and its EXPO? Planning to get Corsair vengance for my 9800x3d build (once I actually get that CPU that is).
>>103121991Not sure what to tell you then. Without frame gen the hub was a nearly locked 30fps for me, and with dlss quality I never got close to 100% gpu usage>>103121999I'm fairly sure I had it disabled, wouldn't surprise me if windows turned it back on by itself though
>>103121981no, it was for Zen 2 + 3 because of how the memory controller worked
>>1031205069800X3D anon #3 reporting in. Cpu is installed and manual memory profile is loaded. I'm happy to say that the cpu is a fair upgrade over the 7800x3d I was using.>ram: 2x16gb 6200cl30 with buildzoid's easy timings, 2067mhz FCLK>gpu: rtx4090 aero oc>display: 3440x1440 @ 175hz>hogwarts legacy, middle of hogsmead town>ultra settings with RT, dlss quality with vsync and reflex on>7800x3d: 82fps average, 67% gpu utilisation>9800x3d: 99fps average, 80% gpu utilisation
>>103121385>CybershitstainMeaningless benchmark for most PC gamers.Most of the people who wanted to play that game have already done so, and the game engine's abandoned by the developer in favor of UE5.
>>103122031That's without frame gen, right?
>>103122011You didn't update windows or your drivers, did you? A new CPU isn't going to fix whatever software problems youve got going on in that computer...
>>103122045yeah
Any downside of using my old 1080p 100hz Samsung tv as a monitor? It's only 22 inch so it would fit just fine until I find a good deal on a 27inch one.I am not sure what the panel is but it can't be that bad. I played my console just fine on it back in the day.
Anyone tested the 9800X3D in Minecraft w/ DH yet?
>>103121475>He fell for the third fan meme>What are diminishing returns?
>>103122049I did, I'm on 24h2 with the latest gpu drivers. Guess frame gen does that good of a job, but personally I'm not really keen on it. I had to accept it on hogwarts legacy and cyberpunk, but other modern titles I always managed to keep it off
>>103122063Not sure, but thanks for the idea. Will try to deliver.
>>103122068>umm i don't want to use frame gen because... i just don't ok?!Man, AMDrones have really just mine broken you huh. Frame gen on some shit 40 series card would probably be bad, but frame gen on a 4090 is actually useful.
Baby builder question, are there any 2024 motherboards that will work with the 9800x3d 'out of box' without having to do bios update usb shit? I kinda wanna avoid that, but Youtube guides keep saying there aren't any and I dunno how true that is
>>103122084I just don't like the added latency
>>103121791i think im second batch so ill have to wait 2 weeks :(, think it's worth cancelling if a 7800x3d drops to like 350?
>>103122094maybe the x870e will but you should learn to update the BIOS anyway as AMD releases optimisations + more performance through them
>>103122095You literally can not tell the difference and if you're using an IPS monitor, upgrading from IPS to OLED would cancel out any of that latency you think you've gained.But whatever, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You're just kinda dumb.
>>103122102Already on oled actually. I think it's a matter of getting used to it though, on hogwarts I hated it at first then I just rolled with it and stopped caring about the ui glitching too
Would I need to remove the motherboard from the case if I want to change/upgrade my cooler for AM5? I noticed that the stock backplate is held in by 4 extra screws, unlike AM4. That looks like it would prevent the backplate from falling out when I remove the cooler screws.
>>103122084>but frame gen on a 4090 is actually useful.It looks fucking terrible. It doesn't matter how many FPS you get, until they figure out how to render the UI independently of the 3D graphics it will remain shit. Just flickering text and trails EVERYWHERE. It's honestly mind-bogglingly how much this undercooked technology has been shilled.
>>103122084what ps4 game is this
>>103122101Yeah, I've just seen stupid shit in the past about sometimes needing an older amd cpu laying around and this is my first non prebuild build moving from intel so I wanted to avoid any extra stress or complications, but I do need to learn to do it
9800X3D is in stock Amazon (US) FREE delivery December 19 - 21 for Prime membersHope you can wait though.
Should I consoom and upgrade my 6800xt to a 7900xtx for 144hz 1440p?
>>103122154at this rate no, the 7900xtx is a 1080p card
>>103121395Encode anime to av1
>Windows Update>Windows 11, version 24H2
>>103122143most AM5 motherboards have USB flashing (sometimes called flash back) where you don't need RAM or CPU installed to update the BIOS.
>>103122154its already a 144hz card
>>103122152Was just about the check as i woke up. Locked one in. I'm in no rush honestly. This 8600k has been handling itself for years, an extra month and a half isn't much.
>>103121760I have doubts a 5090 is going to fit in a 4k budget desu, considering how Jewish the 3xxx and 4xxx series were>>103121819The eternal wait, though might be worth it. Looks like all the UK 9800x3d's went in a flash>>103121830Looks good! Any case with good dust filtration gets my attention, since the room I'm in is carpeted and makes dust like a motherfucker.
27'' [2560 x 1440] MSI MAG 274QRFW Gaming Monitor - 180Hz 1ms$60 of rn, worth it over the ASRock PG27QFT2A?
even if you dont need a 9800x3dit's a good idea to buy one before the tariffs absolutely destroy prices
>>103122281just buy oled
>>103122197its part of the AM5 spec but MSI and ASUS don't have them on their A620 boards probably just to squeeze pennies and they're not on chineseum boards either.
>>103122281I have that ASRock. If you are ok with 0,5 cm black gap between screen display and plastic frame and it's cheap... go for it. Also stock settings are shit. Also no actual HDR, no sRGB.
>>103122243>anon is worried he can't get the 5090 despite a budget of FOUR THOUSAND poundsMan this shit is so fucked
>>103122286they only apply to products made in china? amd cpus are made in india now. powercolor is also in taiwan instead of china.
>>103122328its taiwan and china
Should I wait for 5000 or try to snag a 4000 on Black Friday sales or something?
>>103122286wish I could get one in europesold out everywhere I lookI might just grab a mobo and some ram while they're a bit cheap and wait for some weeks
>>103122347>Getting any decent product on BFYou wish
>>103122347only a retard buys a gpu months prior to a new gen being released
>>103122335I'm looking all over and it says Mainland China. Where does it say Taiwan?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/62WkcxDoes this look ok for gayming?
>>103122371trump said taiwan was stealing american jobs in the joe rogan podcast
>>103122378no
>>103122381foreigners confuse taiwan with china but they are two separate places. china is going to invade taiwan eventually.where are official source specifying both places instead of just mainland china.
>>103122315I hate that I worry like this anon, but even now a 9800x3d and 4090 alone sits at lowest around £2.3k, excluding everything else. My dread gut feeling says the 5090 is going to be 2.5k starting
>>103122401>not making any more 4090>y is price going up
>>103122396you are retarded. on JRE he said there needs to be tariffs on the chips that Taiwan is producing
>>103122418sure if you want price parity between chips made in taiwan and usa
>>103122084I can't wrap my head around why a game that looks like absolute shit demands such a high-end hardware.
>>103122401not too far off the price leaks
>>103122433>moores law is deadanon...
>>103122433He said all this nonsense three months before RDNA3 release.
EU, need a cheap case with top tier cooling. I do not care about aesthetics.
to those who built the 9800x3d or going to, which mobo did you guys get? torn between a couple of the x870 boards like the asrock nova, msi tomahawk or the pro RS
>>103122429Nobody wants price parity. Tariffs must make foreign goods unsellable. You don't want foreign bloodsuckers to take any business from great american companies. The chip industry will come back to America, all of it.
>>103122633I'm all for that but the consumers are going to pay short term
>>103122620GIGABYTE B650 Eagle
give it to me straight anonsHow long will I have to wait for the 9800x3d to:A) return to below 500 USDB)be available to order again
>>103122738just buy 9900x3ditll be 12 cores and theres l3 cache on both ccd
Are helium hard drives worth it?Anyone here have one?My main concern is the clicking the apparently have.
>>103122620nova is the ultimate board imo5 m.2. slots without sacrificing gpu lanes is unbeatablei'd have gotten one had it been white, so I settled on a b650 steel legend
>>103121564Yes
>>103122738it depends entirely on the supply of these cpusI'm personally guessing 3 months, which is when the 9900x3d and 9950x3d will launch and help alleviate 9800x3d demand
>>103122751It's planned obsolescence. Helium naturally leaks out and makes the drive break after a precisely calculated timespan which is 4-5 years. The old drives with no helium still work perfectly after 2 decades.
>>103122769Makes sense! Will look into the Nova and Taichi (if it has the same feature where it doesn't sacrifice GPU lanes) then. TY Anon!
>>103122835fyi taichi only has 4 m.2. slots if that matters to youbut it does have a nice overclocking feature that is the external bclk generator, not that it matters as much now that the 9800x3d is fully unlocked
>>1031218569800X3D is shit for most workflow tasks.
>>1031228944 is more than enough for me, so i should be fine. :D
retard here, will something like the MSI PRO B650 support the 9800x3d? Haven't updated my PC since 2017 so I've basically forgotten how anything inside the mystical box functions
Sample and DON'T hold.
>>103121923Yes it’s a troon troll OP. The recommending of intel cpus is the giveaway.
>>103122896It's inferior than other alternatives but it's by no means bad. That said the 9950x3d will likely be the apex of general use processors if it's true they're improving the L3 cache.
>>1031219744 sticks was fine on DDR4, even if they were two sets with different chips.
>>103122907Yes but I'd get a PCIE 5 mobo for le future proofing, so a B650E or X670E or X870
Day 582 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>at least three gens (Zen 4, 5, 6) confirmed on AM5>meanwhile LGA 1851 is only going to carry one generation, ARLlmao intelaviv keeps losinghttps://wccftech.com/amd-zen-6-ryzen-medusa-desktop-cpus-am5-compatible-late-2026-early-2027-launch/
>9800x3D already over 600€ in the rare shops it's in stockokay I guess I should have bought yesterday
>>103121576The US military is screwed without intel. There's no other way to procure the chips they need for pretty much all of their equipment except from economic/military rivals which would leave them terribly vulnerable to sabotage, spying, etc. Intel is effectively a branch of the US govt. That's just how it is.
>>103121552what cooler did you have before? can you notice a real diff?
>>103122787Why do people outright lie?Helium only leaks of you physically damage the drive. Almost every instance of helium related failures is overeager techs using a box cutter or knife to open ESD bags and they end up piercing the drive's seal.On drives that haven't been molested even after 5 years the very vast majority of drives still have at or near 100% helium level.>t. works at DC
>>103122932I see I see, thank you. But if I'm not planning to upgrade for probably another seven or so years until I have to replace most of my PC again, then I'd probably be fine sticking with a regular B650, right?
is this okay?:ryzen 5 7600gtx 470 superMSI PRO B650-VC WIFI AMS ATX32GB DDR5/6000MHz1TB WD Blue SN580CORSAIR iCUE H100i 240mm600 Watts Thermaltake 80 Plus
>>103123013The only way to store helium indefinitely is by cooling it to a liquid or solid state. It permeates through any known material and eventually escapes. Then it can bleed out into space and be lost forever to us.
>>103122941am5 bros, we eating good until 2028
suppose I did upgrade from a 12700k to a 9800x3dhow much are we talkin in terms of moneyi want a motherboard that is equivalent to the z690 a rog strix from asus in terms of feature support and m.2 drives and vrm performanceand i want the best possible ram
>>103122941CAHM ON AMD GIVE US ZEN5+ IN 2025
>>103122315This is your fault for letting Nvidia perpetuate a monopoly>but AMD!Has been practically giving away viable GPUs and still you'd rather choose to reward nvidia
>>103123096>9800x3d $480 to $1000>strix x670e-a$329>Corsair Vengeance RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 CMH64GX5M2B6000C30W$220
>>103123168>strix x670e-awhen is cudimm coming for amd stuff
>>103123024Yeah should be alright for most scenarios. Though I'm no expert on the smaller differences between motherboards ngl.
>>103123178zen6 probablythey gotta fix their interconnects first since its internally limited to ddr4-4000 bandwidth
>>103123168>only $1k buckerooshrmm...interesting....i could also put that 1k towards a new gpu...
>>103123033Everything but the aio is fine, buy a peerless assassin and get a better psu or better nvme
>>103123168The 9800x3d is available to order on amazon right now at msrp but mine says it'll be delivered by february (though I'm hoping it comes by earlier).
>>103123205nah it's out of stock now. i checked an hr ago and it said it'd be delivered jan 20-22 lol
>>103123158>youI've been using a Radeon card for many years now though. Let's be real, most of this thread probably uses Nvidia anyway.
gotta love paper launches
>>103123033no such thing as bad parts, only a bad price, repost using pcpartpicker link.I would go for the asrock pro rs b650m mobo because it has 1 more m.2 slot and it has coolers on the vrm. Spend $20 more for the wifi version if needed.thermalright coolers are quiet as noctua (spit on that thang). But you could just use the stock cooler that comes with the 7600 (no it's not going to run at the same temp or as quiet, but it will not effect performance).I personally like the Cooler Master Q300L V2 MicroATX case for matx.
i guess i can say goodbye to getting a good mini led monitor imported from china
>>103123228Its really not one I live in a smol country and the tiny shop I bought from had at least 4 units, and there are more than a dozen shops in the areaThat's way more than the number of 3080s supplied back in '20 where each shop had only 1-2 gpus.
>>103123254every monitor is imported from china (maybe there might be a few made in taiwan or something), but like 90% of the monitors are.
I want to build a new PC with 9800x3d, which motherboard to pick? Some youtuber said x870 because they had problems running OC/PBO on b650e motherboardsI've been looking at b650 steel legend or b650e riptide but it's like 70€ extra for a x870 steel legend or x870 riptide board.Are there any other b650(e) or x870 motherboards to look at?
>>103123254>>103123266the parts are made in taiwanthe parts are put together in china or taiwanyou will be getting hit with double tariffs on everythingthe clown show is going to be incredible
>>103123096Unless you have a 4090 there's no point in upgrading from a 12700k.The people upgrading from a 7800X3Ds do have 4090s and are upgrading to 5090s.People need to calm down because the 7600 is viable for those coming from AM4 or broken LGA1700, unless you need the best of the best you don't need a 9800X3D
>>103123273fyi pbo and curve shaper works perfectly on my 9800x3d+b650 steel legend
>>103123283i have a 4090
>>103123038With HDDs and the ambient environment being the same pressure, the leakage rate is basically nothing and is further driven down as what helium that does manage to escape creates a slightly lower pressure in the drive which creates a force that keep the helium in as other air molecules cannot enter.Your talking timescales of many decades. An HDD is only worth using for a single decade.
>>103122673Is Gigabyte good for AMD?
>>103123290That's good to know and maybe that's the combo to go for? I've only heard and read good things about the B650 steel legend boardIs it not worth paying an extra 70€ for the x870 steel legend?
>>103123273B650e = x870. Not that b650 steel legend is a bad board, x870 comes with usb4.0. B650 has pcie 4.0, b650e/x870 comes with pcie 5.0.
>>103123273B650e is fine. I like the riptide because it doesn’t have that garish polar camo.X870 is basically a refresh of the b650e BUT with guaranteed usb4 and pcie5. A number of b650e boards don’t have those but the ones you’re highlighting have the pcie5.
>>103123328You could go for x870 pro rs if you are worried about cost. Also, that board is good value.
>>103123228It's not a paper launch, they're just selling out because it's "the best one" large stores selling through their weekly restocks through to mid December
>>103123328x870 steel legend is the same board but with nicer aesthetics and usb4. I personally would go for it just for the looks since the b650 steel legend's pixellated camouflage print is tacky af
>>103123332>B650 has pcie 4.0, b650e/x870 comes with pcie 5.0.B650 Steel legend is pretty much B650e, it has pcie 5.0
>>103122288If you are homeless, just buy a home.
>>103121395Run VMs, compile llvm or loonix.
>>103123254Get a xiaomi G27 pro while it lasts, it's prob the best and cheapest there is.
>>103121659Can you get higher refresh rate? I'd choose 27" 1440p.
>>103123395>xiaomi G27 proit needs to be 4k 27" at least
>>103121748Dream big, 32gigs, swappable ram for 500bux.
>>103121882Anon apparently they tried delivering the monitor at 9:03PM, but they never called me. Fucking liars! I should get it tomorrow.
>>103123294well, you're not going to get a better GPU until the 5090 and it's going to be a lot more than $1000.If you've got ddr5 you can carry that over to your new motherboard and CPU to save a few bucks.Really you don't need to upgrade at all, including when the 5090 drops. Honestly best strat would be to wait for 2026 to see if Intel can recover and if not upgrade to Zen6 and then upgrade your gpu in 2027
>>103123404>4k 27This is a fucking meme that needs to stop. I have one and I use scaling or just set it to lower resolution.
>>103123332>>103123337>>103123342>>103123345ThanksI will go for 9800x3d and B650 steel legend
>>103121483>best way to change the extra fan clips to blackSharpie is going to be way more simple than painting.It's not true black, but it should stick to the wire pretty well. And I bet you have one laying around.
>>103122965That's how the rot set into Shintel and why they suck ass. US government should stop meddling. They turn everything they touch into poopy poo poo.
>>103121371gamers are too antisemitic
>>103121385the difference between 7800X3D and 9800X3D was 30 euros on release so i will enjoy my 1% lows thank you very much
>>103123158>>but AMD!AMDead should improve their performace in llms, their 7900xtx is not even on par with 3090. Their software game is weak sause and they fucking suck balls. AMD is inferior product. I want both AMD and Shintel to make better GPUs.
>>1031236097800x3d price was around 350€ at its lowest9800x3d retails for about 999€ now
>>103123598>amd market share skyrockets!!>scrolls down>shows amd is still only at 23%
guess ill just wait and see how pantherlake turns out
>>103123010PSU? My previous one was Silverstone strider platinum 500W. I actually like it better than be quiet because it's only 140mm, more room for cable organization. But I am around 470W max in my new build so I just got a 1000W PSU. I'll never need 1000W but the extra capacity means it can run cooler and quieter. Plus it was only $10 more than 850W.
>>103123621Do you even math? Their marketshare increase in 24Q3 equals what would normally take them 4-5 quarters to get according to the trendline
Do I need a 4070 Super to play League and 20/30 year old RPGs + the occasionally graphical demanding game? Probably not? But should I greed before tariffs shoot through Trudeau's asshole?
>>103122129>remove the motherboard from the case... upgrade my cooler for AM5? No, with AM5 you don't remove the backplate.
>>103123640NoProbably not
>>103123635Get on with the times, get an atx 3.0/3.1 psu. I bought a super flower, I'd buy corsair too.
>>103123618im talking about 9800X3D release date the price of 7800X3D was still 530e compared to 560e for the 9800X3Dthey upped the price of 9800X3D to 590e within 24 hours of release
>>103123621I think you watch too many cartoons for your own good
>>103123621Grower not shower.
I've never owned a board with M2 slots before, how does it work when there are multiple? do you populate all of them and then in the bios select the one you want to use 4x lanes and the rest to use chipset? Are there problems if you fill out all the M2 slots and then also try to fill out all the SATA slots?
>>103123228I can buy it in my shithole desu. Its definitely not paper launch. They are not poor like shintel to pull that jewery. Also, they make it in bulk at TSMC, so they have to get rid of this asap.
>>103123684In the motherboard manual, there's a page w/ a block diagram that will show the various slots & note which ones are on a shared bus.
>>103123684>how does it work when there are multipleYou fill one and then add more just like any other disks.>do you populate all of them and then in the bios select the one you want to useYou don't do that to your other disks right? If you do have them all populated, you can select the boot drive from bios.>4x lanes and the rest to use chipset?The primary m.2 slot would generally have x4 pcie 4.0 or 5.0. The rest of them are second class citizens, they come with shared pcie lanes with usb4.0, so if you use usb 4.0, your m.2 decreases from x4 to x2. It should all be described in the product website.>Are there problems if you fill out all the M2 slots and then also try to fill out all the SATA slotsI've not seen this as a problem yet.Get a m.2 experience the speeeed anon. Which board are you thinking?
>>103123684The closest one to the CPU you put your fastest drive otherwise its inconsequential
>>103122369I was called a retard for wanting a 40xx Super on release
>>103123780are you?
if pc parts become retardedly expensive next year i will switch my hobby to golf
>>103123640If you just want to play old shit at 1080p a 4060 is more than enough, otherwise one of the 6000 or 7000 series xt cards would also be very good.
>>103123794Trump said he was gonna tariff Taiwan 60% so mid rage will go back to being 10,000$ like in the 90s. Intel will be fed trillions in tarrif money to catch up but will ultimately fail because its filled with Low IQ pajeets like boeing.
So I am upgrading from a 5800X3D. Picked up a 9800X3D from Amazon and it says delivery by January 22, how screwed am I? Anyway, I'm sure it will actually get here well before then.I am looking to reuse my 4080 super, my sound card and nvme SSD. Might reuse my power supply too for budget constraints as it's still working well and is platinum certified EVGA.I've got an 870 motherboard and 6000mhz 28CL RAM picked out. Looking at getting a decent case and heatsink for the CPU.I game at 1440p ultrawide and when you factor in DLSS it's rendering at less than 1080p internally so I know I can get some good mileage out of a CPU upgrade, plus I like to stay fairly cutting edge with hardware.
>he spends $500 just to play at 1080p
>>103123821but anon, everyone here plays factorio or something haka heh heh :) :) ;)
>>103123816Just keep looking out for restocks on other stores and you may get one much earlier and be able to cancel the amazon order
>>103123821to be fair no one games on 4k
>>1031238212700x will never be obsolete at 8k"gaming" cpus are coping tools for pixelets
Is n100 12th gen with 4 port nic mini pc a good buy at 250bux?
>>103123750https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vwnxFZWIP but the board in this list
>>103123653The be quiet is ATX 3.0 but I'll probably never need that 12VHPWR connection.
I wish pcpartpicker didn't throw up a massive red compatibility warning only for you to scroll down to see it say that you might need to update the bios
so i've heard something about trump tariffs/tax on pc components? should I buy a new pc now?
>>103123880pretty much. everything is made in chinkville, and 10-60% tariffs will increase prices by that amount or more
>>103123872it's kind of important when that bios update cannot be done with the cpu you're buying
>>103122620asus tuf gaming x670e-plus
>>103122401I'm expecting it to be way more than 2.5k since Nvidia is uncontested the 5090 will probably start at around 3-4k.
>>103123911It would be more useful if they included the ability to search by boards with bios flashback
>>103121833"What are you poor? Get with the times or get left behind."
Does anyone else think the Trump tarrifs are only happening so normal citizens cant build AI computers and only Corporations can?
>>103123827>>103123831What if I play factorio on 4k?
>>103123948then get it
>>103123942Tariffs are happening so that friends and family can make a lot of bribe money off of companies that want to get an exception
>>103123948then you really want a 9950x3d
if the target res at this price range is 1440p and a 5800X3D is 91.7% of a 9800X3D then what is the point of all this?
>>103123930I'm expecting $2999 cynically but 2200-2500 is probably where they'll price it
>>1031239589800x3d is best if you enjoy playing at 720p
500 cpu, nooo Nvida 3k gputake my money
>>103122401>>103122401Honestly, consider a holiday in the states. I just got back, built a system whilst I was over there and saved he best part of a grand in total, and it wasn’t even top end (9700X and 4080S). Fuck, even the cheap case I got (main criteria being size) was $44 there and is £120+ here. The amount we get jewed by is ridiculous.
>>1031239588.3% isn't insignificant if you're already on the best gpu.
>>103123979nvidia 3k gpu can bring advances like making ray tracing titles playable at 1440p with decent framerateswith cpu going from 200€ one to 500€ one means you get 10% better 1% lows
>>103122633Sorry anon but TSMC is taking its sweet time building foundries in burgerland and once the tariffs hit they won't want to finish building them.
>>103123958Almost everyone these days plays with DLSS Quality when possible so that's essentially ~960p, now whether that's worth it I still don't know.Were it not for MHWilds terrible bottleneck on AM4 CPUs, I'm pretty sure the sales would be much lower.
>>103123979it's intel crybabies
>>103124005>Sorry anon but TSMC is taking its sweet time building foundries in burgerland >he doesn't know that Arizona is actually has a higher yield than Taiwan
>>103124008nobody uses dlss at 1440p because it looks like shityou use dlss at 4k or you dont use it at all
>>103123958>>103124002i was using intel before so may aswell buy the new thing instead of the old thing
>>103124005Are the tariffs going to be universal? I thought it was only about China.
any reason to not get something like the gigabyte b650 eagle ax? pcpartpicker had the eagle and the eagle ax and I couldn't tell if there was a different between them eitherputting a 9800x3d in it
>>103122369The initial release of 40 was full of dogshit cards. The decent non-90 cards (4070 Ti Super, 4080 Super) were only released in January of this year, budget 40 series cards not event 18 months ago. Unless you need a 5090, there’s no reason not get one of the lesser 40 series cards, as there will be a longer wait for those and they’ll probably be gimped and overpriced when they do get released.
>>103123979In my country the only seller that has them now is selling them for 700€. Does spending more money make it better?
>>103123849Solid board.
>>103122924If it’s inferior to the alternatives how can it be the best choice for work and why would you choose it for that purpose?
>>103123311I've had no issues with them
Does this mean all my SATA ports or just one?
>>103124110if you dont need more I/O then get it
>had to settle with a Gigabyte b650m board because all other choices where either not available or even more trashyWish me luck that everything runs. First Gigabyte board but I heard nothing but bad things about their boards.
>>103124279my cat dropped my mobo, hope it still works
>>103124264>casehighly optional component. if you really want to save money just go without one. surely you have a bit of desk space to run your shit on without a case.
>>103124335a case protects the components from dust by creating a pressure of air inside which always pushes a bit of air trough every hole in the case
>>103123948The cache is too small for Factorio. It's one of the games that does not benefit from the cache at least not mid-late game. The cache is good for games with a small game state that's updated 500+ times/sec like csgo but games with a large game state will use mostly ram. Simple games like LoL with a small game state are also indifferent to cache because they create a new state instance on every frame instead of updating a single game state instance because they probably use these state frames for debugging and for replay generation.
>>103124345>The cache is too small for Factorio. It's one of the games that does not benefit from the cache at least not mid-late game.Funny how none of the reviews mention that and keep running babbys first rocket at 10x of gameplay speed.50K map really should be the default benchmark.
>>103124342I was half kiddingreally all that's needed is a generic case that allows front intake and/or top exhaust setup and that's all of them if we look past the absolute bottom barrel turbogarbageif I had to recommend something below 100 eur I'd say just get a fractal design meshify c or bequiet pure base 500dx with a few extra fans to screw into the top
>>103123311>>103124239Yeah, same.>>103124279My old board was a Gigabyte X570S Master for ~3 years? No problems with it.Yesterday I picked up a X870E Pro for a new build/AM5. No problems during the build or configuring. I'm sure Gigabyte has some kind of extra software, but I've never used it. Always change things in the bios.Might be bias though. Like if you buy into mid/high tier, regardless of manufacturer, you don't really expect it to have problems.
Does dynamic lighting work on x870/z890 mobo? I dont want to use shitty software from mobo manufacturer
>>103124034you can only run AAA slop with DLSS at 1440p unless you have a 4080S or 4090it does look like shit but thats the only option
>>103124438if it works on z690 and z790 i would have to assume it works on z890 too
>>103123311I used an X570 board from them and the BIOS was a buggy mess. Like if I turned on PBO at all, it was impossible to turn it off without resetting the BIOS. Also any change at all to PBO resulted in an unstable system, again only fixed by loading defaults. Clearly something was fucking busted as fuck. The board is still fine though, I have it running in another PC, just pure stock CPU settings (and memory on XMP, nothing else).
>>103124454yeah but you need to install beta bios for that. and theres no way in hell im install those. and currently on asus supports it while asrock completely pulled support for it
>>103124464>le beta bios boogy manits only beta because asus is too lazy to validate it before its published
>>103124466no if you install beta bios, you'll void your warranty
>>103124264open system on motherboard box>cost: 0$>airflow: maxotherwise fractal design focus g
>>103123463>and I use scalingSo what, are you afraid the superior text quality is going to stab you while you sleep?
My brain has been drifting between "BUY A 4K OLED MONITOR" to "IT'LL FUCKING BURN IN" for a few days now I can't fucking decide black friday and cybe monday is looming near I need to make my shit up why are deep blacks so enticing why does OLED have to have burning issues
>>103124485shut up idiot
>>103124417>>103124493the reality is that on the internet you can be retarded or merely pretend to be retarded and the damage is the same
>>103124416This is really a memory speed test so monolithic cpus like intel's 13/14 gen have a natural advantage compared to ryzen which are chiplet based and handicapped by the infinity fabric.
>>103124511Yea but you still have all those fancy graphs on youtube showing off V-Cache gainz jumping from 400 to 600 UPS on a 10K map. BUT the real game is hard capped to 60 UPS anyway.
>>103124416there's one 9800X3D result and it suckshttps://factoriobox.1au.us/result/b2209759-d60e-4b2b-9c7b-4495aead6d9fbut the guy's RAM is terriblewould be nice to see how the 9800X3D performs for someone who knows what they're doing
>>103123801If I got the 4060, is it good enough for 5-8 year lifespan to run high demand releases like BG3/Cyberpunk? Even at low settings? Sorry for the stupid question. Am clueless.
>battlemage will release at december 31, 11:59 pmintelsisters.. we win!
>>103124562Kinda dishonest too because when the ups drops to under 60 the factory will be so big that the cache won't matter. But high early game ups is still useful for speeding up the game with time control mods.
>>103123311It’s ok, but the bios settings didn’t do much for me, ryzen master made massive differences with a few clicks.
>>103124609Corsair RAM is fine, but:>CMK32GX5M2B6000C30>C30Thats Intel RAM. Shouldve been Z30 at the end for AMD.
>>103124738oh right he forgot to enable EXPOlmao
wait so 3060 ti is better than 4060, and cheaper? What the fuck?
>>103124501>BURN INI'm a hobbyist coder with around 500 hours of Visual Studio Code open, and I haven't experienced even a touch of burn-in. This includes at least 2,000 hours of browsing and gaming in HDR. Burn-in is a non-issue as long as you keep your OLED light levels below 30 for regular use. I would recommend getting a 42in LG OLED.
>>103124501Burn in is inevitable. If an OLED's pixel is on, it is burning in and eventually will burn out. Uneven burn in is accelerated by having static content on screen. It WILL happen eventually. Anyone that says otherwise is being a retard.
>>103124772How many months in are you already? I was watching that monitors unboxed vid and in 6 months there's faint burn-in already>OLED light levels below 30 for regular useHow impactful is brightness levels to OLED degredation anyways? I haven't seen anyone do a test with 10% brightness, it's always 100% or near it.
Oh an m2 e slot intended for wifi, the pcie lanes on it should be the same generation as the chipset itself right?Thinking of getting an m2 key E to M converter. They are cheap as fuck anyway and as long as it's over pcie 2 it should still be faster than sata. More importantly I will be able to reuse my nvme in my next build and not be forced to buy a sata SSD just for this.
>>103124793>How many months in are you already?1 Year and 8 months. Before that I had an LG CX with 8000 hours. No burn in as well. >>103124793>How impactful is brightness levels to OLED degredation anyways?I have no idea. I have bad dry eye so I set mine low for desktop use. I could be giving you wrong info, but that's whats worked for me so far.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qnQmPJr8 my almost /pcbg/ approved setupusing my 3080ti until the 5080 super/whatever comes out instead of getting the intentionally gimped 5080memory is CL36 because the CL30 only came with tall ass leds which might not fit under the heatsinkprevious setup had intel cpu
someone should do a test comparing burnin time vs backlight death on a regular ips/va screen
How wide does a monitor need to be for 4k to not be a meme?
>>103124821nigga just go at least 2tb on the m.2 ssd so that you don't have to worry about space
>finally get nas>go for 2x 8tb drives>already out of space:(
>>103124839i have 2x 1TB i forgot to mention that
will there ever be a good time to get a mid to high end GPU holy shitevery option looks bad in its own way and will fuck me extra hard for not waiting out the blackwell super/ti rehash that will definitely hit next fall season
>>103124821that ram seems overpriced
>>1031248518800XT in a few months
>>103124844what the fuck are you storing worth 16tb
>>103124786Burn-in is inevitable. UNEVEN burn-in is mostly compensated by panel controller, meaning peak HDR brightness is getting uniformly reduced over time, but any short term effects get cleared out fast.>>103124793nta but I've been using LG TV as an only desktop monitor for 2 years, with powertoys fancyzones tiling making window borders always take same position, browser sidebar always on etc etc.Maybe twice per year window borders start to become noticeable (on perfectly uniform gray test screen, not on color images), then I rejiggle snap borders and burn-in disappears in a few days.
>>103124863jav porn is like 40gb per video anon
>>103124863>>103124876and movie rips (the good quality ones) are like 70gb
What's the lifespan like on the 8tb M.2s, I'm thinking of picking one up as a Steam Drive
>>103124858w-will it be good though?
>>103124887>8tb M.2twelve hundred dollarsyou can get 100tb in hdds for that
>>103124895I had the same musing about 4tbs
>>103124863I want a dedicated nas for 8k tentacle pron
>>103124887~100000 game installs for TLC~10000 game installs for QLCAssuming 80GB AAAslop
>nas is basically just a linux box>you can install stuff like jdownloader on itidk what i was expecting
will there ever be a 12c/24t on a single ccd
>>103124876>>103124884>>103124910i would usually make fun of you hoarding nerds, but after internet archive takedown i might just have to have to admit the autists were correct
>>103124923It just works.
Ultrawide monitor recs? Just built a new 7900XTX, 7800x3D system and this thing is a beast. Would like to finally try out something I've been curious about for a while
>>103124266No, just SATA port 7 is unavailable.Although weird they number them that way if there's only 4 ports.
>>103124954The autists where always correctWhatever is not in your possession, either in physical form or in a piece of media you own is just not in your possession no matter how accessible something is.Corporations have made that clear.You will archive, backup, and pirate and you will be happy
>>103124890It's 4080 super tier but at affordable price and has the latest features
>>103124416>50K map really should be the default benchmark.no it really shouldn't be, 10k spm is already a tiny, tiny % and 50k spm is a tiny fraction of 10k spm, as in several hundred people worldwide tiny
>>103125147this might be my option thenNvidia's latest bleeding edge shit like GDDR7 shouldn't be too relevant to my aging 5900x build anyway
is 1000$ oled monitors worth it..(theres nothing cheaper for oled in my country) i do alot of art related jobs on my monitor and gaming, use an IPS monitor daily
>>103125033Yeah I figured it out after checking the manual. Still weird they named them like that
>>103124987Samsung G9
>>103125227>i do alot of art related jobs on my monitor and gamingYes but you need QD-OLED not just OLED
>>103124884>and movie rips (the good quality ones) are like 70gbmine are like 2.5gb
>>103125236get a better source negro
>>103125236He means full disc rips, not the yify encodes
>>103125236>mine are like 2.5gbYiff in Hell furfag
>>103122738I got one yesterday without really even trying. I slept though the morning release and they were sold out everywhere by the time I looked. I got an in stock email from newegg at like 4pm while I was sitting at my desk so I jumped in ordered it quick and it shipped last night. I also got a mobo that was supposedly out of stock at the same time.. Must have been a canceled order or something..? This is somewhat of an unplanned build but fuck it. Tbh I haven't even read or watched any reviews on the chip.
>>103125270>>103125270
>>103124005>>103124029The issue is retarded and lazy burgers concerned more with dei than productivity.
>>103125033>>103125228They intended to have 8 ports but cut them out last minute
>>103124952zen6 may be 16c. but current state of intel probably not. 8c forever.
>>103124029>>he doesn't know that Arizona is actually has a higher yield than Taiwanyes 1 batch in AZ had a 52% yield compared to the 300 batches in Taiwan of 51%
>>103124884>>103125243You store disk rips by burning them to disk, and you play them on a Blu-ray player. Otherwise you are retarded, as anon has already proven by not knowing that a nas is a linux box with lots of bays/storage.
>>103125396keep the retarded replies to yourself
>>103125396>blu ray player(You)
>>103125396>>You store disk rips by burning them to disk,lol
>>103125458there is something so amusing about the confidently incorrect retards that post on this website
>>103125469>diskokay old mango load up nero lmao
Anyone have any idea what would be better: 7700X or 7600x3D for 1080p gaming to eventual 1440p? computer will mostly be used for general purpose/DAW work/older games until I get a better GPU, and they're both about the same price at Micro Center. I figured the core count will make up for the x3D cache, but I can't really tell from benchmarks.