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https://videocardz.com/newz/large-german-retailer-delays-ryzen-7-9800x3d-restock-to-late-december
>Large German retailer delays Ryzen 7 9800X3D restock to late December
it's over

>>103152859
AMD set the price too low.

>>103152859
i've never seen a cpu this hyped before kek
ok maybe the 8700k and 3950x were

>>103152902
its this funny situation where 9000 series sucks balls and isnt worth buying for anyone besides some productivity applications, and then 9800x3d massively exceeding expectations +amd killing the supply of 7800x3d since people would just buy that instead if its available

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>>103152867
AMD should ship the 7800X3Ds that they were holding back and price it at $350

>>103152902
the 1% lows are higher than the highs of the 285K and 14900K

>>103152933
7800X3D should be $500 and 9800X3D should be $750

>>103152859
>>103152867
AMD pulled the 9800X3D launch date forward because Zen 5 got a lukewarm reception and they wanted the 9800X3D to smother Arrow Lake's launch momentum.
Arrow Lake didn't need the 9800X3D to convince people to not buy it anyway.
>'Speculation!'
AMD launched the 7800X3D after they've launched the higher margin 7950X3D and 7900X3D chips.

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>>103152926
not really, its about 5% faster than 7800x3d in 1080p

>>103152955
some people like hardware unboxed that look at more cpu heavy scenarios can showcase bigger differences

Since the l3 cache is under the ccd and the volts can be higher it makes the 9800x3d super appealing because it can actually be oc'd way beyond what design where the l3 cache insulates the chip.

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nvidia drivers used to be fast & sexy but now they're just full of bloat & problems.

just did some math and found out AMD CPUs are a better investment than the S&P 500 lol

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>>103152955
TPU had a lot of gpu bottlenecking in their tests
The 19 review meta-analysis shows the 9800x3d being 11.5% faster than the 7800x3d

>>103152955
techpowerup was confirmed to be bogus and bs in another thread.

>>103152999
Thinkning abou heavily XTX.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZDvfg-4ncg
>HW News - Intel Gets Sued & Su'd
is intel finished?

>>103152859
it's out of stock everywhere in the UK too

>>103153039
its ok orange man got elected and will save intel

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>>103153015
actually i just realized you can even return the thing if you aren't happy when your "investment" arrives 3 months after ordering, at least with EU law. or are they just gonna cancel my order if the prices go up by like 30% in that time? this thing seems like a free money hack, like why wouldn't you just buy a bunch of out of stock CPUs from different stores if you can

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>Watching Gamer Nexus review of the Noctua NH-D15 G2
>Talks about all the engineering that went into the new fan design
>It's only just slightly better at dulling annoying higher frequencies
>Performance is roughly on par with significantly cheaper air coolers from jobber manufacturers
>Ends the video by saying AIOs are simply better and you're only paying for the name /NOCTUA/
KEK. What a thorough evisceration of this meme company. He even tried to sugarcoat it by saying "Well... it's the best air-cooler money can buy."

>>103152950
I can't believe my luck when I got my 7800x3d for 320€ (330$) used a year ago. you'd think prices of old cpus would go down over time - but they exploded.

noctua? more like hawk tuah

>>103153071
you can look at intels direction for an explanation

>>103153078
go back to tiktok jimmy

https://youtu.be/_ZDvfg-4ncg
intel getting sued lmao

>>103153067
yes, even the D15 classic is the price of three Peerless Assassins.
its a joke.

I can't find a single place that has the B650 Steel Legend in stock for a non-retarded price, are there any good alternatives?

>>103153078
nawk tuah SPIN that thang

>>103152859
i knew t his would happen slowly putting together an am5 build in the new year ill have everything but the cpu by then the 9950x3d should be out im really hoping for a 9700x3d tho

hows 5070 + 9950x3d, 32gb for a new build eventually?
aiming for 144hz 1440p high + productivity

>>103152955
fuck my 13600k is getting murdered
i really want a 9800x3d tho

>>103153098
lol i hope they stay around long enough to pay for damages to retail customers

>>103153104
x870 pro rs is similar but downgrades one m.2. to gen3
x870 steel legend is the same board but with usb4 and better aesthetics

>>103153119
5070 probably = 4080

>>103153018
fuck the 14600k is getting assraped as well
oh well guess ill get on my am5 build earlier than i thought
ordered psu just about to order eatx case 480mm aio then mobo and ram

>>103153119
are you honestly asking how a GPU that's not getting released for another half year is doing?

>>103153126
Only Homos care about 1080p. CPUs make little difference in the modern 4k environment.

>>103153104
Lol bro. i tried to order 870 tomahawk and it's literally gone. they bought them all

>>103153128
yes please my 13600k performance went to shit so bad im demoting it to a htpc thing with my a770 if it doesnt shit the bed first

>>103153153
not true im gaming at 6k in vr and it still bottlenecks on the cpu/game engine side intels really showing its age cant top its own chips from 3 years ago

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>>103153153
its not nice to troll anon

>>103153071
>>103153080
its not really just because of intel, though that probably was what drove the markets to a frenzy. this has been a long time coming. western governments, especially the US, have been shoving so much fucking money into the system for years, while the amount of actual wealth has remained stagnant. the amount of fiat money a person or a company can have is so irrational, and so independent of the actual value they provide to the economy. the CPU part markets are now also irrational, because no one knows if a CPU should be worth 20 hours of labor (which it probably should be) or a small portion of some upper middle class dude's passive income (which it should probably not be). a single wealthy person could probably buy out the entire stock for years to come, which is a sign that something is wrong imo

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>>103153018
normalized to 5800x3d

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006123429937.html
is the 7500f the cheapest am5 cpu i can get? just wunna use it to test hte new build and update bios before i whack a x3d in

>>103153194
either that or the 8600g depending on where you live
but thats a waste of money since all am5 boards have bios flashback

Planning to get a mobo for 9800X3D
should I go with intel or realtek lan?

>>103153219
oh neat ill get a x670e msi then thier going for 200usd
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007861594523.html

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Building PC is not for me, apparently. RAM stick 1 works in slot 1. RAM stick 2 does not in the same slot. Tried RAM on different boards, it works fine. What is this shit? How do I fix this?

>>103153262
RMA the board. Slot is dead.

>>103153262
you're not supposed to put any ram in slot 1. Read the manual.

>>103153289
OK, slot b2 from the manual. The farthest one from CPU.

>>103153279
The same slot, one stick works not the other one.

>>103153304
yeah i have same setup

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>>103153039
>intel lost its 40% discount from Pat making one statement about tsmc
lmao

>>103153342
good, hopefully its a wake up call to not use tsmc

>>103153166
My monitor only does 120fps so there is no difference.

>>103153376
so everything except the fastest cpu in the world is too slow for you?

>>103153342
Time to pray on Twitter.

>>103153369
Yeah I'm sure 18A is coming along just fine

>>103153390
They all hit 120 well enough not to matter to me.

>>103153427
>he doesn't know about 1% lows

>>103153415
its better than a monopoly. once a monopoly happen you get what happen to intel a decade ago. so its better for intel to use their own node even it ifs not good.

>>103153221
dunno i just got the cheapest x670e i could

imagine if amd made monolithic cpus with 1 big l3 cache underneath

whats the cheapest 96gb 6400 cl32 ram on ali i want two kits so i get 192gb for the lols aiming for a overkill 9800x3d/9950x3d build

>>103153415
18A is the most advanced in the world and it makes chips today.

>>103153444
and what nic does it use?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007117197670.html
400aud a kit might get two
>>103153467
dont care im only on 2.5gbit

>>103153194
just flashback nigga you dont need a cpu to press a button

>>103153459
you have no business building a high end rig, get a 12400f or 5600

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>>103153262
Bump. RMA RAM or RMA board?

>>103153488
rokay its been a while since i did it
>>103153493
been using ali ram for 5yrs had zero issues found they oc and more stable than expensive shit weirdly

I'm thinking about building Jonsplus setup for real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbujLJ25oUU

>>103153262
rma both get them to replicate it

>>103153500
ok you can get ddr4 from aliexpress too

>>103153452
Rdna4 is a monolith GPU with 2nd gen L3 cache in the die

>>103153520
rude i had a 5600x and 5900x and 3200g build all with gook ram worked fantastic but slow by todays standards so i sold them

>>103153262
reset CMOS first
your board could be doing something funky

>>103153479
>ask a legit question
>don't care!!!!!!
imbecile

>>103153219
There's also 8400F & 8500G, which tend to be even cheaper. You'll get what you pay for tho - 8400F is an APU without graphics, 8500G is a weak APU with 2+4c / 12t.

>>103152838
i usually buy intel + nvidia because of quicksync since i use premiere pro and nvidia because its apprarently still better for stablediffusion. thinking of getting the 9800x3d though. will i miss quicksync?

Are HTPCs still a thing? I have a NAS already so I don't need anything with storage, all I'm looking for is something low power.

m running a 14700K with DDR4. will i notice a diference if i upgrade to DDR5 ?

>>103153554
why would you get 8 core cpu for productivity

>>103153262
pull battery

>>103153535
After the first reset, the issue persisted. Trying for the second time.

>>103153578
i also playgaem sometimes

Currently I got 3200 mhz ddr4 and 11700 and I want to upgrade however I only game at 4k
Is there reason to get a 7800x3d or 9800x3d over something like 9600x? The performance gains seem incredibly small at 4k?

>>103153588
theres gonna be 9950x3d later

>>103153554
honestly depends on how big your workload is
it's not like a fuckin zen 5 8c/16t chip at 5+ghz is going to be slow by any means
if you're not doing anything massive the 9800x3d ought to be fast enough, I believe the AMD equivalent to quicksync has gotten considerably better on the mobile side of things where they have 780m/890m igpus but on the regular desktop chips I don't think it's anything special
if you need a whole bunch of cores and quicksync for heavy workloads then a 14700K might be a better option, that thing will still game extremely well anyway, and it shouldn't commit sudoku anymore with the intel firmware updates

Planning on upgrading to a Samsung Oddysey G6 OLED for $860 CAD. Just wondering of any last thoughts before I pull it? I kinda wanna go for 4k 32 inch but I can't find any good units that'll be sub 1000 for Black Friday. Using an RTX 4080 but I barely play any intensive games (lmao playing triple A in this era). 1440P high refresh rate would be nice for overwatch though....but I only casually play it with friends. mostly an anime gamer so I'm just really buying it for the colors and anime watching/movies 4k watching.

>>103153628
there is no need to downgrade to intel garbage when they sell dedicated gpus

>>103153595
read >>103153166
HWUB did a video and it's at least 10% quicker than the 7700 which is about the same as the 9700X in gaming

should i get a 750w or 850w psu for a 4080 / 4070 ti super?

>>103153698
i thought those were 1200w

how difficult is it for a noob who has never built a pc to update a bios so their cpu is compatible? i want to use my 9800x3d but basically no motherboards have native comp

>>103153698
depends on the CPU
AMD get 750, intel get 1000

>>103153698
800w

I think the pg27aqdp might be the best all around PC monitor currently over the 4k 240hz qdoleds after all
Simply because half the reason to play PC games is high refresh and comp gaymes, sure if you don't ever completely ignore this
But it can do all the same things almost equally good, the only upgrade would be 480hz 4k or 960hz to see a noticeable improvement at that point
Or maybe i would really prefer the qdoled and 4k in a direct comparison over the refresh, you can't fucking test, have not seen the woleds irl
It's over

>>103153696
>pay 2 times more for 300 fps instead of 275

>>103153698
850W

>>103153696
But that's with balanced dlss, who even uses that? How is the different at quality dlss?

>>103153736
if you can't flash a bios how did you manage to deduct that you need the fastest cpu in the world

>>103153698
850w so your PC has space to breathe, assuming you're going with AMD.

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I'm gonna buy a 4k 144Hz monitor
I'm gonna be that retard
native 4k is God, everything else is NOT high end

>>103153804
>Not buying 4k240

are you gonna buy steam deck 2 if it comes with tsmc 3nm soc that has AI upscaler at 20w with 1080p vrr qd oled screen

>>103153736
>download correct bios on usb stick and use the renamer which should come with it
>slap that shit in bios port
>hold funny button for a couple of seconds while the light blinks
>when light turns off you are done

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Trying to get my 3700X voltage under control since I forgot to tune it after a BIOS update. Am I doing this right?

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>9800X3D is sold out everywhere
>7800X3D is overpriced as shit right now

>>103153828
I will eventually, but for the time being 4k 144Hz is enough of a challenge for poor old me

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Intel recently gave lenovo pantherlake and when i view the video, i don't see and tile lines. is intel going back to monolithic again?

>>103153689
I guess anon could get a 9800X3D and an ARC A310 (or A380 if that's considerably better) yeah

is 27" 1080p really that booty?
24.5" MSI MAG256F also dirt cheap
$200 CAD budget for monitor, 4060 ti

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New PC games for this feel?

>>103153941
dragon age veilguard says hi

>>103153880
oh, so you don't even have to have the mobo connected to anything? you can literally just have the motherboard on the floor, plug the usb in, hold the button and that's it?

>>103153554
why does one want "quicksync" when you have a gpu that does it faster, and even without a gpu ryzen also have cpu de/encoders

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>>103153890
Do you have an iPhone? Get HotStock. It'll send a notification when there's stock available. It's a paid app but it's definitely worth it. It's how I got my 9800X3D 4 hours before it went live on Amazon because it's run by scalpers.

I feel kind of annoyed having to tell everyone about my le gatekeep but you seem desperate.

>>103153945
unironically i have to agree with you

>>103153881
No

>>103153957
if you want games with better writing theres stuff like cp or alan wake 2

>>103153954
can you not just use the website?

>>103153962
I don't want to play Alan Woke 2 and I played cyberpunk on release. not white btw

>>103153896
probably just a prototype test chip made on an old intel node

>>103153950
you need power so plug your psu into the motherboard but otherwise you can do it without anything else plugged in

>>103153966
You might be able to, I haven't tried it myself. The AutoBuy/Notification is a paid feature for $10/$5 respectively.

>>103153637
bump

>>103153959
I assume most just used offset mode with 0.05 instead.

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Day 585 of waiting for next-gen GPUs. I'd breed the gay out of this girl.

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>30%-40% faster than raptorlake
i swear this nigger keeps getting things wrong

>>103154025
he just said what intel said

is 15th gen better or worse than 14th gen ?

>>103154064
half the power for the same performance but sucks in gaming

>>103154064
It's currently kinda buggy, unstable and performing inconsistently. Intel will issue a fix sometime this month so it's a wait and see situation

>notice ram is at 4800 and not 6000
>change it to EXPO
>now the sata7 drive that I had assumed was disabled because of NVME being plugged in is up and running
I don't get it

>>103154079
>Intel will issue a fix sometime this month
kek you actually believe that ?

>>103154064
>is Steamroller better than Piledriver

>>103154025
>needs to be plugged directly into the neighborhood transformer

>>103154083
>buying gAyMD

>>103154094
Raptorlake is actually decently fast

which was best LCD liquid pump again? Kraken Elite?

I'm going to ask a really retarded question
Does the nvidia app + overlay work with drivers with removed telemetry through NVCleanstall?
I'm sad that nvidia is going to replace the good old settings panel soon.

>>103154083
probably plugged the sata cable into a different port thinking it was the one getting disabled

>>103153804
You will NEVER reach 144 fps on that monitor, even with a 4090, not even with frame generation. You will only achieve playable framerates with DLSS Quality/Balanced, at which point you might as well be playing at 1440p/1080p. If you try to lower the resolution to get decent framerates the 1440p will look blurry, and 1080p will look even worse. You WILL regret your purchase.

>>103154245
Jokes on you he plays GZdoom

>>103153804
60-100hz is enough

>>103153018
>>103153191
That's sweet. Is there one for non-gaming? I'm too lazy to make it myself since I don't plan to upgrade in the next few years.

>>103154245
>CS, Valorant, League, Dota, Overwatch, Apex, etc...
lmao

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>>103153804
>monitor goes black when I turn on pc
>have to plug and unplug it
>amd settings doesn't fucking open
As much as it could be a hardware issue, I'm thinking it's probably a software one. Fucking AYYYMD strikes again. Endless problems. 7900XT is a fucking broken piece of shit

>>103154245
söyberpunk 2077 isn't actually the only game out there, friendo

>>103153583
Same issue persists.

>>103153698
850

>>103153950
His instructions are for boards that have a bios flashback feature to upgrade the bios via usb without any cpu installed. It really is that simple for them. These boards will mention it in the specs and if you look at the usb ports on the back panel, one will have a special label.

All the 9800X3D boards are supposed to have it, but double check anyway. If you ever need to update the bios of a board that doesn't have this feature, prepare your anus for devastation.

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OK, the board is fine. All 4 slots are working. The RAM is also fine in different boards. It's just that they don't play together. Shit sux. What does RMA both mean? Do I send the motherboard and RAM together?

pill me on Fractal Design North.

What's the general timeframe for mobo restocks? I want the Asrock x870e Nova and it's sold out everywhere.

I paid 220usd for pos RAM. WTF anons? Why won't they test it before sticking the expo logo on it?

>>103154489
if it isnt in stock by cyber monday its out of stock until next year.

>>103154486
>>103154489
Get the taichi lite.

holy fugg why are nvidia gpus still so expensive. 7900xtx are $750-800 and 4080 supers are still $1000+

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good news sissies, I fixed the borked three pin ARGB header on my olde asus tuf b550, it shines in butifel colors once more, worst header ever conceived btw

>>103154508
why taichi lite? what does it offer me?

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>>103154467
>hello here is mobo and ram one of the ram sticks does not work in this specific mobo pls fix
assuming of course you bought them from the same place

>>103154532
Everything that Nova offers and more. If you are fractal anon. Fractal north is pretty cool. Fractal cases are awesome, I'm planning to buy a node 804.

>>103152838
anime pc

>>103152838
I've never build a PC, I'm looking for something that can play modern games at 1440p at 60 fps. some degree of futureproofing wouldn't be bad either. What should I fcous on as far as CPUs and GPUs. My budget is no more than $1100 USD

>>103154492
There's fucktons of combinations to test so they don't do all of them. Motherboard vendors publish QVL lists of the stuff they did test. You can check if your RAM is on your board's list.

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>>103154553
I didn't. Different vendors unfortunately.

>>103154588
Its not. Fugg, should've bought QVL.

>>103154571
>$1100 USD
grab a PS5 honestly

>>103154591
you are fucked

>EU not getting any 9800x3d supply
>already preparing myself to get fucked with 5000 series pricing
maybe I should just give up on PC building

>>103154617
I already have a PS5. I'm planning on getting rid of it and getting a PC. I don't want to pay for PS Plus anymore.

Can't I get something decent with that budget? I don't need 4k or raytracing/pathtracing

>>103154643
9800x3d will probably have one of the biggest demands. like bro i have never seen retailers empty from motherboards also

>>103154643
never to late to convert to a waitchad

>>103154643
wait for 5080 super its not like anything worth playing is coming out and monhun wilds wont run well even on a 5090 so whats the point

>>103154662
our whole region got like 3000 CPUs total, shits fucked
>>103154666
I've been waiting since 2017

>>103153262
Boot with one working stick, update board BIOS, and try booting with two sticks before you start RMA.

>>103154677
>since 2017
clearly not long enough

>>103154661
>Can't I get something decent with that budget?
borderline possible but you'd have to go old gen (Zen3 i.e. Ryzen 5xxx CPU) and ideally buy as much used as you can. if I were you I'd add a few hundred bucks to the budget so you at least don't have to gamble in the used market. either that or not build the PC all at once, just part of it, and finish it up once more spending money is at hand.

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it's over

>>103154736
>GAA
no worries goys intel got it

>>103154662
niggas be FOMOing because Uncle Xi is bound to pull a Ukraine on Taiwan very soon in order to show just how much he fears and respects president fatboomer, meaning no more sweet processors for western devils

>>103154554
Not that anon, but is a $400 mobo like the Taichi Lite worth it if you're in it for the longhaul with AM5? Part of me really wants it, but I also wonder if I'm being retarded spending that much, and if it might be better to get the $200 Pro RS. I just don't know how much I'm sacrificing with the 14+2+1 power design, versus the Taichi Lite's 24+2+1. Also, what exactly is the difference between the Taichi and the Taichi Lite? The only difference I see on the Newegg overview is that the Taichi has GPU easy release, is that really the only reason it's $50 more?

>>103154532
>Taichi lite
You get to pay $50 more for an uglier board that has fewer M2 slots and no backplate. What a steal...?

>>103154736
So what now, where do we go from here? No more cpu upgrades? Are we about to witness the rise of an architecture race?

>>103154681
BIOS is upto date, will start the RMA then.

AMD R5 7600
RTX 4060 Ti 16GB
32GB DDR5/6000MHz
MSI PRO B650-VC WIFI AM5 ATX w/ Wi-Fi 6E
1TB WD BLACK SN850X
EVGA 600Watts 80 Plus Gold

suggestions/recommendations?

>>103154828
Taichi lite is taichi without rgbt.

>>103154909
its insane btw the RGB tax is $ 200

What's the deal with the 800 series AMD mobos? Companies are just charging $100 premium for USB 4 ports?

any ITX setups with liquid coolers?

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>>103154985
gif related, the early adopter

>>103154899
4060Ti is an overpriced meme, if you need the VRAM and can't afford a 4070 Ti Super you really should go AMD.

>>103154985
you can also add 4x PCIes!

Finally pulled the trigger on a 5700X3D, what (AMD) GPU should I pair it with?

>>103154880
intel

>>103155038
wait for 50xx gpus

>>103155038
wait for RDNA4

>>103155072
When's that? I want a competent GPU by mid February (KCD2 release).

>>103155100
ces and kcd2 will be buggy shit at launch

>>103155086
>rdoa4

>>103153018
>>103153191
5700X3D is under $200 for 70% of 9800X3D performance
Means its relative perf/$ is over 168%

>>103155106
u gonna pay $800 for gddr7?

Planning to give my current RTX 2070 /13700KF/32GB DDR5 PC to my little brother. I want to say my CPU dodged the voltage problems, because I've never had a BSOD or any noticeable stability issues, but I'm trying to see if I can get a warranty replacement from Intel, because how the fuck am I supposed to know until it's too late?

Anyways, my little brother only plays slop like Genshin, Fortnite, Valorant, and other stuff that turbo zoomers like. I don't really think he needs a new GPU, but are there any cheap upgrades that would make this a little more future proof? I've had the GPU since 2018 or early 2019, so if anything, I'm worried about its longevity going forward.

>>103155038
Waitor for RDNA5 or get a 7700/7800xt. Since you went AM4 I assume your budget isn't that big so avoid NVIDIA.

I've never used a monitor larger than 20" in my life.
27" already seems fucking huge for a desk, and apparently 32" is considered the "premium" option?
Do I jump from 20" to 32" or am I going to be happy with 27"?

>>103155285
32" is fine, if it bothers you can just put it a bit further away and increase windows scaling

Are microcenter deals worth it right now or is it better to wait until Black Friday?

9800X3D doesn't need to have to deal with core parking garbage right

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>>103155285
The real premium option is a 42" TV that you use like a dual monitor setup, basically never maximizing any window except fullscreen games/video.

Even if gaming doesn't benefit from dual CCD V-Cache they should still do it to stop core parking garbage

>>103155336
>never maximizing any window
couldn't be me

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Which case.

>7600X3D mobo bundle at Microcenter is down to $400
Is it likely that it goes lower still, or should I just pull the trigger now?

>>103155383
the cpu alone is like 310€ in eu

What's the real risk of burn-in for OLED monitors? The idea of spending $500-1k on something that could potentially start cannibalizing itself in a year or two is pretty grim.

>>103155038
$200 6600/6650
$350 6800 non-XT
$500 7900 GRE

>>103154828
>I just don't know how much I'm sacrificing with the 14+2+1 power design, versus the Taichi Lite's 24+2+1
Nothing much
VRMs are numbers at this point. Even crummy mATX boards can handle the highest end CPUs.

>>103155405
>What's the real risk of burn-in for OLED monitors?
pretty much guaranteed especially if you leave static icons up

>>103152838
I swear anime op threads always moves so much faster

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Scalper god manos having a great Q4

>>103155405
100% unavoidably guaranteed within 6-36 months depending on use and luck.
Which is why you always buy new with warranty and send it in. I've known guys who have had to send in their monitors four or five times during the three-year warranty window.

>>103155405
>potentially
>risk
Every OLED has burn in by design.
Good OLED masks it by lowering brightness of unaffected pixels to match the burn-in.
Sometimes if you have static pattern for a very long while it takes a couple runs of selftest or days of different patterns for compensation to kick in.

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>he boughted AMD

>>103155493
>he didn't buy AMD in 2022-2024

>>103155493
seriously why do people do that
it cant just be "raw raster perf per dollar" when theres been endless discourse about dlss

>>103155519
unbridled hatred for Nvidia might have something to do with it

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>>103155493

>>103155546
if amd just dropped out of gpu business I think everyone would be better off
No one would give a shit in the desktop pc space, nvidia could equip the consoles with better features and push into making arm cpus sooner and intel could just die with their proprietary x86 bullshit

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>>103155567
oh yeah let's have nvidAI run everything Geforce Now for everyone

>>103155546
Two years too late.

i have a 5600g
i found 5700x3d on aliexpress for $180 and i think i could sell 5600g for around $120
shpuld i go for it?

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>>103155567
>surely the removal of competition will benefit us
this isn't even clown world anymore, just idiot world

>>103155675
i can still upgrade to it :)

>>103155687
So you never needed that level of performance :)

>>103155567
>if amd just dropped out of gpu business I think everyone would be better off
They would be infinitely more successful if they simply focused on the budget price range nvidia abandoned, and let their flagships edge out nvidia with numbers.

For example, have the 8600's MSRP at $200 and have the 8900XTX double the 4090's VRAM.
Only retards will buy a 5060 so an 8600 at almost half the price becomes the de-facto budget card this gen, and having 48 GB or 64 GB of vram on a card would give you a reason to buy it over the 5090 before price or performance even enters the discussion.

My Cinebench window keeps freezing with CPU activity ceasing during the multi threaded test... does that mean my CPU is unstable at its current settings?

>>103155700
i'm still on 1080p xD

>>103153459
I thought it was difficult to run 2 kits at the 6400 speed?

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>>103155493
>Less VRAM
>Driver overhead out of the ass so your CPU gets outdated faster
>Worse directstorage implementation
Fuck njudea

>>103152859
I just went to the store and bought one, is it difficult to find or is it just hard to find in Germany?

>>103155567
That's not how businesses work.

>>103155745
bit of both, global/EU-wide issue but also germanistan being germanistan
krauts and computers are like beavers and dams

>>103155721
>1080p

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>>103155721
>Citing PS5-optimized first-party slop
The chart that matters to game devs is the install base, the one that practically guarantees Day 1 DLSS3 support on most new games.
Even sponsoring devs to exclude day 1 DLSS & Reflex support no longer works.

>>103155721
>Driver overhead out of the ass so your CPU gets outdated faster
last time i checked ayymd has more overhead and worse memory management

>>103155567
The green jew would jack up the price without a second thought if that were the case.
You are either a dumbass corporate drone or put all your savings on nvidia stock.

>>103155788
It's just Redditor contrarians trying to justify their bricks, the world's moved on.
Even AMD admits it with the architectural & design changes planned for RDNA4 & FSR4.

looking for a new psu, why exactly should I spend extra on an atx 3.1 psu? nvidia gpus come with adapters anyway, and its not like Im using a 4090 which requires 4 VGA power cables

>360 bongdollars for a 43 inch 144hz 4k tv
would replace my dual monitor setup and allow ultrawide custom res
hmmmm

>>103155788
that has literally not been true since the advent of ryzen, worse memory mangement maybe but when you have excess VRAM does it matter

>>103155803
>144hz 4k tv
lies

>>103155803
>360 quid for that TV
share it

>want to remove some HDDs from my case
>the GPU is so fucking long and in line with them so I need to remove GPU just to pull drives out
I really don't want to deal with that shit right now

What are some good ATX tower cases with hotswap bays? Preferably a lot (like 8)?

>>103155826
43PUS8909
i get discount so usually it's 429

>>103155838
that's why mass storage and main PC should be completely separate

>>103155842
>Philips
I bought a Philips TV and it was the biggest POS TV I ever bought. That was just my experience but I'll never buy them again. Picture was complete shit, HDR didn't even work on it at all, slow as shit too. Never again.

>>103155405
QD-OLEDs have slower burn rate and have several functions that help mitigate it honestly

Also the best way to reduce burn in is not using it with max brightness

>>103155866
I'll try to have a look in currys or something first to see if it actually looks any good, there doesn't seem to be many tech focused reviews for it

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Let's say I got like 3k for a build. What would you recommend with the current market?

>>103153194
bought one, are there any other super good deals like this?
I'm looking to pick up on some parts for the future when the time finally comes to replace my optiplex

>>103155907
wait

>>103155907
Well the 5090 is $2500 so you'll have to hit the used market

>>103155907
wait for 50xx gpus

>>103155907
what's teh goal

>>103155923
This is probably gonna be true and a top of the line PC will likely set you back like $6000-7000

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Wife wants to replace her laptop (5900HS w/3060M) as the keyboard has died, and the screen has some dead pixels spreading from a corner. Doesn't need a laptop anymore since she is stay at home mom now. Size and power draw are important considerations as our house is >100y old, and tiny. All of the outlets in the house are on a single circuit, and I frankly don't have 10-15K to just suddenly drop on having the wiring modernized. Getting the appliances on their own circuits and getting the fuse box replaced with a modern breaker box almost broke me.

Been eyeballing the Minisforum EliteMini AI370HX and Beelink SER9 AI370HX, as the 890M will be more than good enough for her dwar-fortressing, and fully porn modded SIMS. Just not sure which to pick.

Minisforum is slightly more expensive, but comes with $100 giftcard (they don't specify if it is a minisforum only GC or just a visa/mastercard GC), making them the same value in that respect. SER9 does appear to have a dust filter, that also appears to be a PITA to access (we have 2 dogs and 6 cats and a child; dust and gunk are ever present). SER9 has features that will never be used like the internal stereo speakers. SER9 BIOS does have a lot more options for overclocking and such, but my wife will probably never touch any of that, out of fear of bricking the system.

Pretty much any mini-itx system I could build ends up coming out as more expensive, and with a much higher power draw. I need to keep the power draw as restrained as possible.

What would you guys choose?

>>103153554
Get 9800x3d/9950x3d + nvidia + arc380 then

>>103155953
what about an M4 Mac Mini? Unironically might be a good idea

Better to wait for the actual Black Friday / Cyber Monday to buy parts, instead of buying now on the "Black Friday deals" that are there all month long, right?

>>103153574
Depends
DDR5 A die hynix manual OC >> DDR4 B die samsung manual OC = DDR5 M die Hynix manual OC

>>103155976
the famous phrase is buy when you feel it's right

>>103155976
usually
keep track of the price though so you don't get tricked by fake sales

Should I go for 32 gb of G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal Neo (6000-cl28) or 64 of just the neo series (6000-cl30). I've got a 9800x3d

>>103153896
Unfortunately it's chiplet

>>103155924
>>103155917
I see. Thanks wise anons


>>103155944
Just looking for a productive PC. A strong CPU & Graphics card + around 32G ram. Not interested in tons of storage.

>>103155972
No way in hell either of us would give apple a single red cent. No ideological reasons, just hate their UI. Also, don't want to chance her SIMS or CK3 mods not working right due to the X86_64->AARCH64 translation layer Macs need for gayming.

>>103155907
9800x3d
2x16 32GB 6000hmnz 30cl
Samsung 990 EVO 2-4TB
x870e Taichi lite
RX 7900XTX
spend rest on case and cooling

>>103156010
you'll prob want to wait for 9950x3d cpus then

EU here
Do I buy a 8 bit panel with 5% less sRGB coverage in the blue areas but which is half the price or do I buy the 235 USD ViewSonic XG2431 deal with 100% sRGB coverage, but 6 bit + frc but also the best backlight strobbing there all the way down to 60hz.

Upgrading from 60hz, both are way above 144hz.

>>103156017
Sims 4 has apple silicon support, I'm just saying that it's a tiny, but extremely powerful machine that literally ticks all the boxes. I'm not sure about CK3 but a quick google search says it works via Rosetta 2

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>>103156019
based, thank you anon

>>103156019
why x870e Taichi lite?

>>103152955
>5800x3d 16% lower
Damn did I make a mistake sticking eith am4 and buying 5700x3d instead of going am5

>>103154064
It depends
It's better only if your not lazy to tweak and overclock it.
And you may use win10 since win11 gimps ARLs performance

>>103154985
yeah its a scam get 600 series instead with pcie 5 support for your future gpu / m.2
fuck them usbs

>>103154508
>>103154554
Nova and taichi are the same thing in terms of OC

Kind of a retard question
If you have a 4k monitor, running things at 1440 resolution looks like shit because you can't divide those numbers evenly. But running things at 1080 looks good because it's half, right?

Is the same true for framerate? If you have a 160hz monitor and run something locked at 120hz or 60hz, does it look like shit or does that problem not exist with refresh rate?

>>103156045
pick aorus elite if you wanna go x870e its $100 cheaper if you are going for only 1 SSD otherwise if you are planning on multiple SSDs go taichi lite

>>103155208
Raptor lakes instabilty is exaggerated
You're probably fine
Or just undervolt it since with new microcode you can adjust voltages even on B660/B760 boards

>>103156089
sell your 4k monitor and buy 1440p monitor

>>103156140
Why

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Is this a good board?

>>103155208
And your 13700KF can be from first revision, which basically means that you have renamed alder lake(12900KF)

>>103156143
are you playing on 4k or 1440p?

>>103156089
>Is the same true for framerate?
typically
vsync and 72fps cap looks smooth for example at 144hz

>>103156150
tomahawk is better but everyone bought tomahawk out of existence i guess thats second good then

>>103155320
It's only one ccd anon

>>103156089
>Is the same true for framerate? If you have a 160hz monitor and run something locked at 120hz or 60hz, does it look like shit or does that problem not exist with refresh rate?
every modern display has freesync or gsync. the hz changes based on your framerate. 120fps will feel like 120hz. 20fps will feel like 20hz.

>>103155953
>All of the outlets in the house are on a single circuit,
jesus
on level1tech forums people usually run into issues with minisforum stuff, that issue being them just dying after a year. The issue with these things is models and designs change so drastically you can never know what's going to be popular or reliable. Even if not used internal speakers is a nice touch. I guess the beelink. The beelink does explicitly tell you it needs to be dusted that's literally stamped onto it.

But imo these ryzen AI chips are overpriced. And honestly both companies build these things expecting them to die within 2-3 years.

>>103156139
I'm clueless when it comes to computer engineering, but if my chip was damaged before updating BIOS, isn't it already compromised regardless if I undervolt it going forward? I know 13th gen run hot, but I feel like something is a little fucky when it jumps to 100 degrees celsius immediately when doing benchmark tests. I have a NH-D15, so it's not like the cooler is lacking.

>>103155907
13600K + 5090

>>103156179
I can get a tomahawk so I guess I will.

>>103156166
4k

>>103156167
I have a couple of old games that have a built-in frame limit of 30 FPS, or 60 FPS.
Does this mean playing them on a 144hz monitor would look like shit, because you can't divide 144 by 30 evenly? I would need a 240hz monitor, right?

>>103156162
I purchased it at the start of September, 2023. Not sure if that gives any idea as to what version it is.

>>103153067
Aren't peerless assassin and deepcool ak620 better?

>>103156211
you can set freesync on and it'll change the refresh rate dynamically for you

>>103156043
I looked up MacMini prices just in case. Holy shit, it is a no go just in that respect. For the same nubmer of cores you get less storage, less memory, and a less capable GPU, for ~$400 more. Even worse the storage is soldered on.

>>103156191
I mean it would be a PITA to clean the dust filter once a month, but if the reliability is better for it.

When the minisforums die, is it due to overheating?

I'm hoping for at least 4-5 years. Usually what she got out of laptops.

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>>103153166
You need to get trolled because you're a butt hurt silly boy!

>>103156179
if it's for a 9800x3d which board would you recommend?

>>103156231
To be clear, I'm not talking about games where the framerate sometimes drop.
I'm talking about games that intentionally run at a steady, consistent 60 FPS being played on a 144hz monitor.

>>103153153
Tell that to crapcoms monster hunter milds

>>103156246
do you understand how freesync works are you are being retarded on purpose

>>103156256
I am retarded, but not on purpose. No, I do not understand.

>>103156264
with sync on it will drop 144 to 60 is what hes sayin

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>>103156208
>>103156242
of it was b650
Asrock Steel Legend both E and non-E version, Taichi Lite again.

>>103156274
Right, but will it look GOOD?
I can set my 4k monitor to 1440p with the click of a button but it'll look like smeared shit because 4k doesn't divide into 1400 like it does 1080.

>>103156282
>>103156264
fuck me you really are retarded.
Freesync will change the monitor's refresh to 60hz to match the 60fps.

>>103156290
>>103156290
>>103156290

>>103156045
NTA
ASRock X870E Nova has Taichi tier features while being cheaper than the Taichi Lite (and imo is better than the Lite) - if you're not into OC you don't need Taichi series.
Also now is not a good time to buy a new GPU (only second hand) since 40 series is out of prod, next gen is literally only a few months away so by the end of CES you'll have an idea of which card is better for you.
The 990Pro is a meme, SN850X is cheaper per GB and does just as good a job.

>>103155907
wait for the 5090

>>103156191
Also, to continue on wiring. Some is the original knob and tube, and the rest is copper two conductor tared cloth covered. The metal electrical boxes do have a good ground though.

>>103156282
it will have no tearing and sync 1:1 with the frames so yes prolly

>>103156282
>I can set my 4k monitor to 1440p with the click of a button but it'll look like smeared shit because 4k doesn't divide into 1400 like it does 1080.
changing the monitor native res obviously is fucked
depends on the ppi/monitor tech/distance to monitor how bad it will look in gaymes, running lower res on high ppi isnt even that bad
try integer scaling 1080p on 4k or some shit if you want

>>103156300
>pcie5 useless for both gpu and nvme
why do u guys recommend 600 euroshekel boards
for workstation? idk

>>103156193
Temperatures have no correlation with degrading
>but if my chip was damaged before updating BIOS, isn't it already compromised regardless if I undervolt it going forward?
When cores "degrage" it just means that theyre need more voltage to operate at the stock frequency, you can save even a hardly degraded chip if you underclock it with some tweaks(LLC 50%+ CPU lite load with undervolting)
But if you degraded your SoC tile by raping memory controller with ddr5 8000+ dimms, then you might permanently lose your pcie lanes
>>103156219
You can just disable e-cores, if your p-cores get avx512 then it's alder lake

>>103156327
>Temperatures have no correlation with degrading
absolute state of intel shills

>>103156327
>Temperatures have no correlation with degrading
higher temps -> harder to run stable -> have to add more volt to run stable -> leading to more heat
no? maybe
I forget

>>103156365
High voltages leads to high temps > degradation
Not just high temps > degradation

>>103156398
high temperatures contribute to electromigration just as much as high voltage or high current
pro tip: your chip will immediately stop degrading if you put it under some LN2

do we know fuck all about the 50xx series yet?

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>>103156320
>>pcie5 useless for both gpu and nvme
what are you smoking anon there's no issues on the X870E Nova with using both PCIe5.0 slots?
The only issue is if the fifth M2 slot is used, PCIe slot 3 is disabled
Also in germoney the X870E Nova is ~390eur

i have a 5600g
i found 5700x3d on aliexpress for $180 and i think i could sell 5600g for around $120
should i go for it?

>>103156633
not saying there is an issue
just wondering what you need it for

Which of these 1440p I buy? The offer ends in 40 minutes.
Dell G2724D
Gigabyte M27Q
HP OMEN 27q
AsRock PG27QFT2A
MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD

>>103156890
MSI

>>103156673
>i think i could sell 5600g for around $120
you shouldnt threaten your mother to buy your old hardware at excessive prices or else you kill yourself

Also 5700x3d is pretty minor upgrade at 1440p

>>103156914
Fuck you're right it's quite impressive.
I didn't have time to look in depth to the backlight strobing but it might be decent enough.

It's either that one.
or alternative 1440p
OMEN 27q
PG27QFT2A
or 1080p viewsonic with 10/10 strobing

BUT ISN't that retarded (1080p viewsonic) if I can just play 1080p on 1440p with black boxes? Yea it's 20.25 inch but also 109 ppi 1080p.

>>103157131
I think the point is viewsonic has that backlight strobing thing that works with VRR enabled or some shit like that
It doesn't really matter in my opinion. I'd very much rather not fuck my eyes to have this ultra low motion blur bullshit. 1440p 27'' is optimal on a desktop. Optimal I say.

>>103157160
No it doesn't work with VRR enabled, already checked. It';s just software customizable from your OS and can go as low as 60fps.
But I'll never go lower than 75hz on anything ,even media.

All these 1440p are 8 bit native, 1080p one is 6 bit + frc.

>>103157180
Oh.
The more reason to just pick the MSI to be honest with you

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>>103157233
Just checked all the 3x 1440p can only use bfi at 120hz plus.

Pic related is their optimized grey to grey without overshot at around 120 to max hz.
Also the MSI one is 108 ppi instead of 109, this is not much of an issue.
11 minutes left to order.

>>103157253
>~1ppi
Virtually unnoticeable
I wouldn't trust those 11 min if I were you

>>103157269
Bought it. Versus website convinced me it mogs the other option that was left. Thank you for your time. You are probably the reason I even bought a monitor instead of skipping this purchase.

does good ddr5 6000 cl30 64gb ram ever go on sale for like $150? or am i basically stuck paying $180+