>>103160115
where's the anime figure

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>>103160115
What I might actually be autistic about is the color actually.
Check this image. The viewsonic has perfect srgb coverage while the koorui misses huge chunks of the blue hue, who cares about its coverage beyond that, it's going to be clamped either way.

>>103160135
Forgot to quote the right person.
>>103160089

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Will 8800xt perform any good on ollama?

Is the zotac gaming trinity good enough for a 4070 Ti Super or should I get one with a beefier cooler?

>>103160115
anyone now when dell will use the 285k in their pc’s?

>>103160198
They should stick with 14900k to spite intel

>>103160218
they have great deals on the 14900kf gaming pc’s right now

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>>103160115
It's over for intel

>>103160122
there are some videos comparing 360/480hz OLED (without BFI) with 360/540hz LCD (strobed) and it's close enough that you might not even perceive the blur reduction unless you're extra sensitive to it
but yeah BFI is a PITA to implement and goes against what OLED is even good at in the first place (HDR and high brightness granularity) so I get why it hasn't seen much evolution yet
>>103160135
you should make absolutely sure the Viewsonic doesn't compromise its color accuracy with strobing enabled if you really care about it. I've had multiple monitors exhibit extreme color shifts with strobing enabled
>who cares about its coverage beyond that
tons of people actually but for your usecase it's indeed pointless

>>103160218
Kek. They should stick with 14900k on their gaming lineup until novalake drops and only offer 285k on their business machines where it belongs.

amd 7600 or 7700?

>>103160131
Next to your heart...in your chest cavity

>>103160086
You'd be better off asking /mkg/, but I just replaced the $60-70 K4 with their $210 Q6 Max flagship. K4 was a very sturdy board, didn't have any problems with it for almost 5 years, even though I treated it like shit. The Q6 has been the best board I've typed on, by far, I would say they're a solid brand, but it's probably worth doing more research on the specific model you're interested in. They have a spinoff brand called Lemokey, targeting gamers, that's apparently more affordable but with the same quality.

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>>103160280
You silly boy!

>>103160268
>you should make absolutely sure the Viewsonic doesn't compromise its color accuracy with strobing enabled if you really care about it.
just told you the easiest solution if you have doubts about that - calibrate with strobing turned on

>>103160283
Thank you anon

>>103160279
the current 9000 series, the 8 core

>>103160268
I've decided to go with a cheap 1080p instead.
koorui 24e3 which has a 8 bit panel and extremely good response times for pixels seem attractive, MSI MAG 256F has 8 bit + 2 frc but I cannot find anything whatsoever about its g2g responses.
It's also 89 ppi instead of 92, never used a 89 ppi monitor can you even spot the difference from 92?

>>103160280
Lungs are animu?

>>103160291
NTA but calibration can't always fix color accuracy, depending on how flexible your monitor is with color settings and if it has other issues (gamma change with temperature comes to mind).

Don't count on Windows to act nice with ICC profiles either, some programs just straight up won't take account of them.

>>103160335
That's why you use global calibration via DWM_Lut.
Yes, some panels are very badly behaved.
I imagine that gamma changing with the temperature of the monitor is like a pre-2012 thing; it sounds insane. You would visibly see it even if it shifted a little, particularly if you have some fond test images.
I have a Dell U2414H 60Hz from 2014 that hasn't even shifted much in its default profiles; my manual calibrations last me months with no shift when verified. Good panel.

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Thoughts on this build for 5080/5090? Wondering if I could cut costs by switching to an 870 RS Pro for the motherboard, a phantom spirit for the cooler, and by finding a cheaper PSU, or waiting for a good sale.

>>103160365
>gamma changing with the temperature of the monitor is like a pre-2012
I wish, but while uncommon it's still very much there even on very expensive displays.

Issues like these are hard to observe in a review scenario where you only spend a limited amount of time on each monitor, hence why I believe Rtings and others need to diversify their testing methodology (especially with OLED).

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goodnight anons, wake me if the 9800X3D comes back in stock

>>103160449
Good night anon, it will be back in a week.

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Is an Intel SSD worth using for gaming? I can get a 2tb for around $110

>>103160382
Ram is slow since it has 30-40-40 timings
The best ones are 30-36-36 for 2x32gb

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>>103160131

>>103160489
Sonico no! Not again!

>>103160489
Lewd lol.

>>103160463
Any Sata SSD will do for gaming unless it's a GPU Directstorage game.

>>103160534
Ok thanks anon, I was skeptical on buying it from a friend because he said it was for servers

>>103160548
means it's endurance is rated for servers. they have higher typical write cycles and temperature limits than consumer drives.

why would anyone get zen5 when amd's biggest problem is memory controllers and cudimm isnt supported by zen5

surely wait™ for zen6

>>103160598
Zen5 is a failure
Zen5x3d will redeem it

>>103160615
i have a feeling that it wont last long without cudimm

>>103160598
>>103160640
We already hit dimenishing returns on CPUs. A 5800x3d Max's out most people's refresh rate on ddr4 3200cl14.

>>103160598
Zen5 does support cudimm, its Zen4 that is flakey which might be an intentional part of AGESA to push people onto Zen5.

AMD should refresh Zen5 with a new IOD but thats a different discussion.

>>103160640
its literally supported...

>>103160640
Cudimm is just a means to achieve good performance. If the CPU performs well without it, then it's not really needed.

>>103160598
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-confirms-cu-dimm-ddr5-memory-support-for-ryzen-9000-and-8000-series

>>103160649
>its literally supported...
some faggot anon lied to me then, based

Crazy how there is no universally good monitor
There is one or more of each pc component that will do everything great with zero compromises for its use cases

But no such case for monitors, even top range oleds dont do everything perfectly, always one bit where they cheaped out, there is not one monitor that does everything

why would anyone get a 7700x when a 9700x is only $50 more

also why is 7700x cheaper than 7700
did AMD make the naming scheme more stupid

>>103160688
Your Nvidia GPU crashes in Gdeflate games compared to AMD and you have to compromise on Linux. It also connects to your display which dictates your VRR and color output so it's way more important

>>103160703
Using loonix is the compromise, you are trading functionality and stability for freedom

>>103160658
It doesn't actually work in cudimm mode. It only works in bypass mode on zen5 so you don't get the benefit of cudimm

>>103160697
7700 is more efficient and comes with a decent cooler

>>103160721
Linux is more stable than Windows but you do trade functionality for speed.

ausbros anywhere i can get a 9800x3d for 800aud delivered? dont feel like been scalpered

https://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=9800X3D&spos=3
819-857AUD REEEEEEEEE

should i just suck it up and get a 7600x3d to tired me over? Waiting for the 9950x3d reviews anyway

>>103160810
if you're near a microcenter yeah, the 7600X3D will have good resale value

>>103160837
>7600X3D
bugger not available in aus sadly

>>103160697
because non x3d 9000 series is mid as fuck

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005426020307.html
440usd 660aud 78x3d it is
not paying 900aud for a fucking midrange x3d 9800

>>103160887
in that case, get a 7500F from Aliexpress $200

>>103160912
>midrange
>best gaming cpu in the world

>>103160728
why would they do this

5600 was inferior to 5600x so why make 7700 the better version of 7700x
and why is 6800XT better than 7800XT
omg what the FUCK

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Current build is (budget king):
>5600G
>DDR4 3600 32Gb
>RTX 3060 12GB
>1080p 144hz monitor

Should I wait for RTX 5 cards? I don't do much if at all AAA gaymen, mostly indie games, but I do lots of SD generation and drawing, modeling quite a bit. I've looked around but new grafix cards are still expensive as shit and there doesn't seem to be a good reason to upgrade to AM5/Zen 5 yet.

I'm definitely looking into upgrading my monitor, I feel constrained for space.

>>103160382
overkill PSU, 1000W will be fine for a 5090+9800x3d. Maybe even lower if you switch to an air cooler (it doesnt draw near enough wattage to justify water cooling)

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https://www.nvidia.com/gtc/

Mark your calendar for March 17–20, when we return to San Jose.

NVIDIA RUBIN MARCH 17 2025

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living life good with AFMF2

>>103160975
what about geforce? i don’t care about enterprise/workstation cards

>>103160982
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/events/ces/

Tune in to the CES opening keynote by NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang live in Las Vegas on Monday, January 6, at 6:30 p.m. PT.

>>103160954
7700x is the factory overclocked version of the 7700 and the rationale is that no stock cooler will be good enough so nothing is provided

>>103160975
>AI gravy train derails as wall street stops infinite funding on ai craze
>R100 accelerators massive oversupply and are sold on eBay for $1000 a pop

>>103160548
>>103160463
It's not sata, you can't connect it to normal motherboard if you don't have m.2 cable (yes that's a thing, actually it's called u.2)

>>103161013
dawg every fortune 500 company uses ai and millions of people use it now, AI is here to stay. i use ai daily

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>>103160115
Can we put 5700X3D back in the OP already? There's gotta be like 20 posts every thread asking to upgrade their current AM4 build.
>>103160965

>>103160971
I'd really like to think 1000w will be fine, although I will say that a lot of the PSUs I'm looking at, the 1200/1300w versions are only like 20-30 dollars more. I feel like it might be worth just to keep it for a decade.

>>103161034
AI has negative returns and money talks the loudest

>>103160115
i7 8700
16gb ram
H310m mobo
550w PSU

Will an AsRock ARC A770 work well with my PC?

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ASRock X670E PG Lightning vs MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK, any thoughts? The MSI is $30 more. Or do I stay on AM4 because of the capcha?

Am I seeing this pattern right? under 6ms g2g you notice a massive improvement on the display?

>>103161104
if it has negative returns then it would’ve never been invested in dawg
dude so many morons on g recommending the most bullshit stuff to in the different generals

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>>103160131
where'd the noid figures

>>103161162
there's a thing called venture capital which has wasted a lot of money into creating companies and sustaining them for years until they collapsed, many of sound ideas

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>>103161054
am4 bad, what are you a poorfag? sorry chuds we must consoom and buy the most expensive parts every time

>>103161054
I agree but the OP isn't always made by the same person so its going to be hard to get it back, but its also now the poorfag option instead of jumping to AM5

>>103161143
Shouldn't be a big bottleneck but ARC is still a tuner's affair. Don't expect it to "work well" in general without some coaxing.

>>103161143
Actually, on second thought, do make sure your board supports resizeable BAR.

>>103160162
Depends on what API they use

>>103160463
I have two 8TB Intel p4510's in my server. Not good enough for modern gaming. Just get an nvme.

>>103160186
Get what's cheaper
Just don't buy only two fan gpus

>>103161377
Rocm ofc, I want it to be closer to 4090 and have lots of vram for the price of 7900gre or 7900xt.

>>103161410
its not going to be anything like that

>>103161143
Like anon above said
Only if your mobo supports rebar

>>103161426
I know, amd is gonna suck for llms I just want them to do better. Let's see what they come out with. I just want to get a 7900xtx and get this shit over with instead of wait fagging.

>>103161477
I don't think it will suck, its just its not going to be 4090 tier

>want to upgrade parts
>remember i dont play anything anyway
saving money is so easy

after spending some time investigating many youtube channels, monitor review websites I've concluded that people that purchase 1440p displays are not to be taken seriously, ancient 1080p displays have lower pixel response time at 60hz than these have also at 60hz and at 120hz they're also pathetic while costing a lot of money for no good reason, those that aren't totally pathetic overshoot with a lot of inverse ghosting and cost even more, this shit is still in development stage judging by the numbers

Does Amazon do any worthwhile hardware discounts during black friday or should I not wait for it?

>>103161501
the way to scratch an upgrade itch in the case of feeling fine with your system is doing case/peripherals/monitor upgrades

>>103161524
Wait until cyber monday obviously! :^]
I dont actually know but you can look at price history on camelcamelcamel.

>>103161458
>mobo supports rebar
I need to find one for myself anon. My asrock x870 didn't come with one. I'm gonna sell thing and get one with rebar so that it can support the new battlemage.

Did I fuck up by buying a b650e instead of an x series?

>>103161541
I suppose a nicer keyboard is in order.
Eventually I will cave and do the minor upgrade to fix a bottleneck but Ill need to justify it with a good price or a game thats actually impacted by it.

>>103161595
no

>>103161595
X870 is literally rebranded b650e

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>>103161595
the fact is even the shitty A620/B840 is enough because pcie is forward and backwards compatible so even if you've got a pcie 5.0 nvme drive for some reason in two years time it will just run at 4x pcie 4.0.
also, even the 4090 is barely affected by running in 16x pcie 3.0 so its not like a 16x 4.0 slot is going to be obsolete any time soon.

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Is dust in memory/pcie slots ever an issue?

>>103160115
>Scythe Fuma 3
> <42mm
huh

>>103160486
I agree.
I was also looking into gskill and noticed that it can be a hynix M or A lottery.
Then I just bought an XPG which said on my mobo website that it is an A.

My 9800x3d arrived. Costs 90% of my one month salary.

I WANT A 9800X3D
I WANT A 9800X3D
I WANT A 9800X3D
I WANT A 9800X3D

I WANT A 9800X3D

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RQDJxg

33 year old boomer here building a PC to play certain games with my friends and communicate via discord. I haven't had a PC for gaming and have been on console. I'm friendly with the people at local electronics place and they set various parts aside while I think it over. Pretty much everything on this list is being sold at liquidation prices because they're
>new old stock
>missing original packaging
>Missing some stuff (motherboard is missing the driver disc for instance)
etc. The only things I'm buying new are the monitors, keyboard, mouse, and headset. If it matters at all, I play games like World of warcraft, overwatch, valheim, etc with friends.

>>103161713
prom21 is linked to cpu at only gen4 x4? i thought it was capable of gen5 x4

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dqm3C8 rate my new build - reusing my old gpu til next spring.

>>103161736
No
But also yes

Dust is conductive, and enough can cause shit to happen. You'd need a lot of dust in a pcie slot to cause problems. Either way, clean your PC.

>>103161770
oh and I forgot to mention, the exact model number of the RAM/HDDs are a mixed bag. Literally random RAM kits and solo HDD's missing their boxes but otherwise new. The only thing guaranteed is their capacity. I just need drive space to store my music collection. I own a large physical CD media collection that I make copies of. I also use a paid version of Nero to burn CDs for my car.

>>103161752
16gbit m die has been all but replaced by 16gbit a die so you can assume all 16gb and 32gb sticks with tight timings are a die.
24/48gb sticks use 24gbit m die which is similarly to a die but higher in capacity and can't run timings as tight

>>103161786
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RQDJxg
seems ok, a bit expensive if honest?

>>103161767
do you really want one?
its a mega housefire at 140-150W even with a 360mm aio
>t. 9800x3d haver

>>103161799
what is expensive? The monitors are probably the most expensive part at $110 each but I don't want to buy refurb ones that end up being broken out of box.

>>103161774
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dqm3C
>Noctua in 2024
>PCIe Gen 5 Drive
>X870
meme worthy and I can tell you used intel beforehand

>zen 6 leaked to be no earlier than H2 2026
That's a long time to wait.
Think we'll get Zen 5+ with new IO die in the meantime?

>>103161770
you're paying a little too much for that cpu/motherboard combo. it offers 10 year old performance (4790k). try to get am4+5600

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Haha holy shit, this MX-4 is petrified after 5 years. It has ceased to exist. No wonder this hits 95c in Prime95 at 4.1 all core.

Any thermal interface recommendations for the current year that can handle 150W Ryzens? Probably gonna order a new cooler on the spot whilst I am at it.

>>103161815
we should but who knows if AMD will do it

>>103161802
pfft i had a 420mm with a 5900x your like liltle baby it was 185w

>>103161826
those are baby numbers
the same aio was cooling 320w on a 13900ks earlier this year

>>103161822
Arctic MX-4/6 are good options.
that's what kryonaut looks like after 2 months not 5 years.

>>103161820
I'm currently on a laptop with some sort of Celeron garbage so i'm sure it would be a fat upgrade. however the guy at Microcenter did say they have an AMD 3D chip for $130 because they're trying to get rid of it. It's no the 5800X3D which I've heard of. It's the 6 core version. Would that be worth the price?

>>103161811
I didn't notice the monitors, yeah it's okay.

>>103161814
I got a good deal on the board and drive (microcenter the goat). What's wrong with Noctua?

>>103161846
there are more than 4 6-core variants
which one is it specifically?

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>>103161822
>>103161837
Me and my homies only fuck with IC-Diamond. 24 carat diamonds on my teeth, on my rolly and on my CPU

>>103161846
yes yes yes if it's the 5600X3D get that and a b550 board intead

>>103161846
if its a 5600x3d new in box it sells for more than that on ebay

>>103161858
I think it would be the 5600x3D. I say this because the 3D didn't exist until the 5000 series of AMD chips it looks like but he specifically said it is NOT an 8 core CPU, only 6.

>>103161869
the guy did say $130 which would make sense if its a 5500 or 5600

>>103161862
>>103161866
so suffice to say, the $130 price tag for the 5600X3D would be worth it over the almost half as much i3-10300? I don't care about performance other than for gaming and general purpose browsing.

>>103161822
fresh MX-4 or MX-6 if you want to feel fancy.
no paste lasts five years.

>>103161877
Yes

>>103161877
Yes, it will be 70%-80% more performant at 1080p and will give you the headroom to upgrade your GPU in the future without having to do another whole platform upgrade

>google best $1000 pc
>all components are bought for completely unrealistic and unobtainable prices
>high end parts bought for less than their lower end counterparts
>brand new parts bought for less than any recent ebay second hand sold listings
every fucking time

>>103161901
>can post here
>using google
?

Is there anything wrong with a Zalman i4 case? I'd prefer something white and without a fucking window, but if there are objectively better options for cheaper I'd consider compromising my preferences.

>>103161886
>>103161896
OK then I will take the chance. Should I get a non stock CPU cooler or will stock be fine?

>>103161913
Get a Thermalright Peerless Assassin/Phantom Spirit for like 40 bucks and you'll be good. I know it's more you'll be spending but it will be overall worth it anon

>>103161837
>Arctic MX-4
avoid tbqhdesu
that thing dries after a year

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do I need these Adrenalin or something if I don't use the igpu?

>>103161933
no, but it's always a nice to have as Adrenaline can also read CPU stats like temps etc.

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>>103161913
I would recommend something like this. It's a regular 120mm 4 heatpipe cooler, you can get one for about $20. Many different brands sell them, it doesn't really matter which one you get.

>>103161860
>24 carat diamonds
bro that's over 20mm wide

>>103161940
Thanks. I see that it has cpu overclocking and stuff. I might install it later.

>>103161822
nice focus, poorfag

>>103161953
if you did want to overclock, I would just recommend Ryzen Master instead

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-shifts-production-to-geforce-rtx-50-series-only-one-ada-gpu-reportedly-still-in-production

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

>>103161958
Can it also be done in the bios instead?

>>103161957
There's no Focus PSUs in this image.

>>103161964
yeah it can, but PBO2 is best done in Ryzen Master desu
>>103161960
I hope this means I can get a 5080 easier

>>103161960
>2 more weeks

Is the PS120SE/NHD15-G2 as good as it gets for air cooling these days or is there anything beefier that isn't an AIO like the liquid freezer 280/360?

>>103161802
how do you expain the 150W 3700X not dying on that hyper 212 itt
360mm aio should eat it just rine

New to AIOs, looking to maybe buy my first one. Do you mount the radiators on the top or the front of the case? I can fit a 360 on the front, but only 280 on the top.

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why does fractal design have so much dust holes in back?

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>>103162058
>3700X 150W

>>103162005
Yeah the D15 G2 is technically the best but the Thermalrights do like 99% of the work for a quarter of the price.

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>>103162072

>>103162072
how is dust going to get in from there when there's constant air blowing out from there

I want to buy a 7000 series AMD card but I heard some had problems with heatpipes bursting or something like that, which brands should I avoid? I'm considering a Sapphire Pulse 7800XT.

>>103162072
The case is filtered. Means with a positive pressure setup those are just more exhaust area. That does fall apart with unfiltered cases like the Focus 2 which makes them a harder sell.

>>103162081
Monitor total package power when running Prime95 on small/smallest, it'll do 120W on 4 GHz all core at 1.3V override. That goes up to 150W at 4.1 GHz. The 3700X was a hot chip and often suffers from overvolting OOB even beyond this.

>>103161964
just use the bios
ryzen master causes weird issues like OC settings sticking even after clearing cmos

>>103162005
Performance-wise, some tests put the A720 marginally above it. It's a lot cheaper but also louder.

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>>103162098
ohhh so it has it like that then?
so if it solid shut it hurts air flow?
>>103162102
the back is filtered too? or just the front?

>>103162105
nta but a 212 is more than capable of dissipating 150W. Shit, I saw people pushing their 2500Ks to 5GHz on the 212+ back in the day.

>>103162105
>25% more power for 2.5% more performance
Just upgrade at that point, electricity ain't free

>>103162112
No the front is filtered. With a positive pressure setup (the case default) all the intake air will be passing through the filter.
Anecdotal I know but I have a Meshify C with a 2-in-1-out config and haven't needed to clean it in 2+ years.

>>103162087
The Phantom Spirit 120 SE is almost half the price of the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 where I live, which its self competes with the new Noctua cooler on price.

The PS120SE can be had for around $51 since retailers actually began stocking it here at the eleventh hour (low stock albeit) so you don't have to pay chink sellers second hand. The Liquid Freezer III 280 is $94.

>>103162123
>nta but a 212 is more than capable of dissipating
It might be a quirk with the 3700X packaging wise, since it eats the chip at that clock speed doing Cinebench, or it could be the nature of Prime95 being a synthetic power virus. I concluded the stability test was a failure because it couldn't pass Prime95 without an error on one of the cores, though it passed Cinebench MT. Checking HwMonitor however revealed the 95c temperature that it hit on the cooler, though the paste might have been too old.

>>103162138
mshify has shut back too or more like the slots for verticals, but yeah i can see

>>103162140
There's a place for AIOs, and indeed the G2, for super quiet builds or extreme dissipation (i9s/OC) but there's a reason the Thermalrights are so popular.

>>103161835
OH YEH WELL I HAD MY 69XT TO 666 WATTS BEAT THAT

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Do I really have to update the bios with the flash button without putting the 9800x3d in? Can the old bios damage the chip?
I have a x870 tomahawk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

>>103162168
any X870 will likely already support the 9800X3D out of the box

>>103162161
The PS120 non-SE ks slightly more expensive at around $59. Is there a difference between the SE and non SE to where you can point to one and say 'this is objectively better"?

>>103162168
x870 was made for x3d

>>103161759
Neet here they cost two weeks bennies reeeee

>>103162168
>>103162181
yeah, your motherboard only has the one bios and it supports it already.

>>103162099
Never had any issues but I went with a pulse 79xtx

>>103162168
You probably don't 'have to' but you should.
No, it won't damage the CPU, at worst, if the BIOS is super old, it won't post. Also, flashback is so painless and easy to do that there's no reason not to. But like >>103162181 said, the BIOS is new enough on these that the 9000 series is already supported. You'll still want to update to the latest version though.

>>103162153
IIRC P95 hits current limits which could cause a crash if you've got everything locked down. Packaging is definitely a consideration too - those big 32nm chips were a lot easier to keep cool. I certainly wouldn't recommend one for a 9800X3D but it's not like it'll trip the thermal shutoff at stock settings; rather cut boost which is enough reason to avoid it when you've spent $500+ on the CPU.

Are the TLC12 fans better or worse than the ones the 212 Turbo came with?

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>>103162156
It's not as open as the new ones but definitely ventilated.

>>103162182
Nah honestly just buy the cheapest one (including the Peerless Assassin). Best-to-worst spread is like 3%. Usually the PS120, with the extra heatpipe, is ~$3 more which is fair.

>>103161802
I ordered hte 9800x3d 5 minutes after they put them on amazon.
>should recieve by nov 24-dec 8
i think they put me in on the 2nd shipment of them coming in

I was sitting at newegg they said they would drop at 9am. refreshed the page every 10 seconds from 2 minutes before until 9 then every 5 seconds from then until 2-3m after. then i saw the -out of stock- thing. was like wtf?

I was on a rebbit discord (bapc) and checked there and someone said, right when i opened it, its available on amazon.

I had my whole cart set up on newegg for the motherboard, ram and everything. abandoned it and bought the 9800x3d right then. then went back and ordered the other stuff from amazon.

fuck newegg didnt even give anyone a chance to get one.
anyway im still going to be waiting 2 or 3 weeks for mine. wtf.

>>103162309
I got in pretty quickly with amazon, and my date says Nov 20th exactly. Hopefully it doesn't update

>>103162309
some anon said amazon opened orders 4 hours early and newegg opened orders 5-30 minutes early

>>103162309
when are we getting more mobos bro, now way im settling for shitty mobo

>>103162182
Also I should say these prices look pretty high. In the US and west Europe they're more like $35. You might want to have a look around for other dual 120mm towers just in case the Thermalrights are overpriced due to demand/customs. Cooling is a pretty solved technology so similar designs will have similar performance - if, for example, there's a Jonsbo or ID-Cooling dual tower closer to $35 it might be a better deal. There's also the Silver Soul 135 and variants to consider if the PA/PS are being pumped due to network effects.

>>103162105
the 9800x3d is able to eat up 150W at 4.65ghz 1.1v in prime95 avx2 while being pegged at 95C
r23 is more like 90C at 135-142W at 5.225ghz
its a hot chip

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>>103162269
>Nah honestly just buy the cheapest one
Consider the following however; ram clearance. From the pictures to me it seems like the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE variant has a stubbier posture and sits much lower to the motherboard.

The regular Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 though 7-8$ it may be has a higher clearance (37mm) for memory and a higher mass (1030g vs 760g for the SE) and faster fluid bearing fans (2100 RPM) versus magnetic fans (1500ish) and a24 vs 27 dba difference.

I don't see reviews mentioning this, however performance somehow seems to favor the SE more often than not which seems impossible to me yet there it is.

>>103162309
Lucky we don't even get Newegg or Amazon 9800x3d here in aus

>>103162391
Oh yeah for sure you need to check clearances. I just meant that the performance differences are not relevant to the types of CPUs that these will cool so there's no point agonizing over all the different variants. With the exception that the PS120(*) should be preferred if the price difference is negligible.

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You guys think he is happy at intel?

>>103162433
probably getting a fat paycheque and will escape soonTM

>>103162433
An accomplished saboteur, Robert Hallock was planted by advanced marketing devices into intel's own marketing department and pulled strings to get ARL released before its ready

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Never ever ever use a GPU without a support bracket or something to prop it up (or buy Ventus GPUs) because holy SHIT this otherwise paper light 3060 Ti Ventus 3X has a visibly bent PCB after only 2 years of use.

Soooo, when does 8800 xt even come out? Should I just buy a 7900 xt right now instead of waiting?

Well scalpers already pushed the price up to stupid amounts is there any way to import a 7600x3d cheap into aus in the mean time or should I just suck it up and get a 7500f for 200 dollarydoos until the 9950x3d drops
Not paying 800 shipped for a fucking god damn 9800x3d

>>103162474
ask again in 2 months

>>103162473
not a problem if you bought an alienware since dell puts gpu braces on their gpus since early 2010s or even before

>>103162153
>passed cinebench
cinebench is a benchmark not a stability test. it didn't go through prime95 because you didn't have enough voltage.

>>103162474
Just out of curiosity why are you considering a high-end card that struggles with the latest Fancy Graphics Tech (RT)? If you know you don't want RT, which is a fine position to hold, then why not get the GRE and pocket the difference?

>>103162499
>it didn't go through prime95 because you didn't have enough voltage.
At 1.35V @ 4.3GHz it couldn't pass the latter without immediate errors or finish rendering the former, so.

>>103162495
I wonder if that thing still has warranty on it, and whether it is 24 or 36 months and whether they cover sagging/bending.

>>103162379
>In the US and west Europe they're more like $35.
In Eastern Europe (eg. Poland) the PS120 retails at 240 PLN, or around $58-59. I reckoned this was due to tax/tariffs.

>>103162515
then add more voltage or dial down the clock, simple.

>>103162501
Well, I don't really care about RT. As for the GRE, I know it's a great card, but it's poor value in France and most of europe as it's priced way too close to the 7900 xt.

Also where I live, the 7900 xt is currently priced on par with the 4070 super custom models.

The GRE is basically the only AMD card that has gone up in price

Fuck now the 7500f sold out on ali fuck scalpers up the ass

>>103162523
Yeah it could be that or it could be network effects. Happens all the time with "commodity" components. There's a lot of buzz over those coolers because they're genuinely good value in the major markets. A small Polish importer catches wind of that, gets a few in, and sells them at a high margin. Meanwhile there's dozens of, for example, ID-Cooling A620s sitting on shelves at 160zl because everyone wants the Thermalrights.
Basically what I'm saying is that these are meant to be cheap and that they're very similar to other cheap dual towers that may be cheaper because everyone in the West is focused on the TR models (which bleeds in to other markets).

>>103162473
topical video about the subject of gpu sag that just got published, ft. a ventus as well
https://youtu.be/y1oTNO3D4j8

Fuck now the 7800x3d sold out on ali fuck scalpers up the ass is a 7900x3d for 500usd good? Don't really have any other options

>>103162542
Ah okay that's fair. I suppose the answer to your question is January 2025 at the earliest. A few weeks after CES /if/ they announce it then. Usually cards are done either Q3, presumably for Christmas sales, or Q1 for CES.

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>>103160115
How hard will the coming tariffs fuck US component prices?

>>103162609
they sell compute chips in brazil? just go pick them up from china

>>103162603
Thank you. Guess I'll get a 7800/7900 now. Besides AMD GPU are usually not good value when they come out

>>103162609
Nothing ever happens, Trump will just say it was a prank and do nothing.

>>103162578
Good news, Media Expert offers a 50 PLN rebate if you sign up for their mobile app. That ought to bring down the price of this cooler to sub-200.

What CPU/GPU should I get for 1080p@360Hz? I will literally sacrifice every quality option for higher framerates if necessary, but I don't want to use upscalers or frame generation.
>inb4s
"Competitive gaymer" - yes. "ADHD" - yes. "Zoomer" - no.

>>103162457
>AMD controls intel
>nvidia controls AMD
who controls nvidia then?

>>103162718
Blackrock, Vanguard, (((them)))

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You know I was wondering why there were black square artifacts during videos on this card, now I think I know why. I have never had a GPU bend like this, what the hell? How is this still even functional?

>>103162706
>CPU
9800X3D, manual OC, 8000C36 A-die Gear 2 with synced FCLK
>GPU
4090 or 7900 XTX, depending on whether the games you care about respond better to NVIDIA or AMD drivers

>>103162718
tsmc

I heard gpu discount is a joke during black friday? is it true?
I'm thinking of getting a 4070ti super since I don't think I can get the 5070 on release date. I'm gonna assume they will be close in performance.

>>103160115
Are black friday deals a meme, or should I wait to pull the trigger?

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I'm completely out of the loop these days as I've been on a laptop for years. My maximum budget of around €1200, anything jump out as immediately retarded here? I basically just wanna play new games

>>103162473
>>103162746
This is a reason I'm installing a waterblock
Can't bend with less weight and screwed down to an inch of unwavering copper and acrylic

>>103162788
never buy crucial DDR5
that shit should not be allowed to be sold in stores

>>103162718
the archons

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How do I get my hands on the latest version of Windows 11 Enterprise ISO?
I need the full one, not eval version

>>103162746
Well, if it still works the least one can do is prevent further sagging by supporting the card better.

>>103162757
I don't know much about new platforms and memory overclocking and such, is that configuration stable? I don't mind if it takes a long time to fine tune, but I'd rather miss out on 1% of CPU potential than get a weekly random crash or whatever.

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>>103162835
business edition:
https://massgrave.dev/windows_11_links

I hope the 9850x3d doesn't have the issues that the 7850x3d does. Since there's no chance of me getting the 9800x3d until next year, with stock like this.

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>>103162868
>is that configuration stable
you need a very good motherboard
>but I'd rather miss out on 1% of CPU potential than get a weekly random crash or whatever
then just get 6000C30 or 6200C32 desu
https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

>>103162816
Elaborate.

70% or 90% IPA for cleaning thermal paste and parts?

>>103162919
it's slower than the competition, it has more compatibility issues than the competition, and you can get a 2x16 6000C30 kit from corsair, g.skill or kingston for the same price
crucial DDR5 is so bad that they killed off the ballistix brand after 20 years:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/micron-discontinues-crucial-ballistix-gaming-ram

>>103162895
Looks like my new mobo case aio and PSU will be gathering dust oh well hopefully 9700x3d will be out by then and a 9900x3d and a 9650x3d

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I wish I could use this to clean dust sometimes.

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>>103160115
Intelbros...

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Why are “silent” cases recommended against? I’m considering a Be Quiet Dark Base Pro 901 for my next build due to features, size etc. is it that they are bad, or just that they are overpriced for minimal noise reduction? Not sure if this even counts as silent.

>>103162976
Aliexpress 5700x3Ds are literally 100 bucks in Korea, it's fucking insane.

>>103162978
silent cases dont work well with high tdp parts like ryzen 9 / i9s and big gpus

>>103162976
damn they dead
koreans were historically the biggest intel fans alongside pajeets and now this has happened

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>>103162978
Silent Base 802 is better AND cheaper.

>>103162978
Silent cases just sound like snakeoil to me. Wouldn't your PC be quieter with a completely mesh front panel so the high quality fans you bought with your savings can suck in lots of nice cool air so they don't need to ramp up as much in the first place.
My buddy had something like that and it was quieter when he opened the side panel

>>103162816
>>103162926
Crucial is some of the only one that sells the higher JEDEC bins
They are absolutely fine for that

>>103162578
>Cooling A620s sitting on shelves at 160zl
Not sure where you're finding them, don't see Id Cooling stuff listed in any retailer here.

>>103162920
90

Is there really a point to the Assasin IV and D15 when the Liquid Freezer III 280/360 cost less or the same?

>>103162895
> 9850x3d
You mean the 9850 Ti Super? In which universe do you lurk?

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Is this correct?
Is there no point in getting the twice as expensive CL18 RAM over CL16?

>>103163096
I mean the next cpu leaked thanks to factorio benchmarks

>>103163105
CL16 over CL18

>>103163105
where the hell do you live where say 3600C16 is twice as expensive as 3600C18?
but yes, primary timings don't really matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgb8N23tsfA

>>103162987
Wish they had a cheap 7600x3d but nope
Not paying scalped x3d prices dunno what do

>>103163135
Maybe it's just Corsair RAM that's twice as expensive, I dunno.

>>103163151
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082DH1FZR
18-22-22-42
$57.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DNPVR64
16-19-19-36
$78.99

the second kit is a significantly better bin than the first kit
it's not just about the CAS latency, tRCD/tRP timings are tighter as well

>>103162099
It was the first few runs of the reference design cards that had the heat pipe issues, shouldn't be a problem on anything with a custom cooler.
Sapphire's Pulse is a perfectly fine lineup, but be aware that a 2 fan design on an 800-tier card will likely be quite noisy under load. If it's not a large price bump you might want to track down a triple fan design instead

So, is nvidia app any good? can it undervolt? limit fps?

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>>103163179
Weird, I checked the UK store and it's about the same prices as the US, same in Germany. But if I check the Spanish store (where I buy) then it's 100€ for CL16 RAM and this is for every other brand not just Corsair.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082DH1FZR
18-22-22-42
66,09€
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B09DNPVR64
16-19-19-36
102,71€

>>103163219
i'm swedish so i wouldn't use amazon but the margins are similar here (about 25% higher cost for 15% tighter timings)
it doesn't really matter, it's fine to cheap out on DDR4 at this point since you aren't going to be carrying the RAM forward to any new platforms

>>103163212
kinda outdated
cant undervolt
can limit fps

>notice game performance is suddenly bad even though FPS doesn't indicate it
>check LatencyMon
>up to 25ms display driver execution time
>haven't updated drivers in a million years so that can't be it
Is my GPU dying?

Should I try my luck with a 360mm Liquid Freezer III? How many years can we expect these AIOs to last before catastrophic failure?

I am willing to get one if it means I can keep it maintained over a decade or indefinitely. The price point next to the D15s and PS120's is very tempting for someone wanting less noise.

>>103163268
>>haven't updated drivers in a million years so that can't be it
update your drivers retard, better through DDU

>>103163276
D15 noise is the issue only at 80%+ loads, for gaming and occasional heavy loads it's nearly silent
for encoding and compiling get AIO

>>103163286
>nothing changes in software
>performance drops suddenly
>DUDE UPDOOT
Fuck off

>>103163276
>over a decade or indefinitely
5-10 years (closer to 5 than 10) is their lifespan
indefinitely is impossible

>>103163276
They are so cheap who cares about having to replace it in 6 years.

>>103163312
update your drivers

>>103163312
since you're wintoddler microsoft sent you a new driver and it's conflicting with the software suite

>>103163312
you likely didn't clean install OS for 5 years as well, things go wrong even if you think they don't.

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Wait for Black Friday.

>>103163351
this year OLED line up got cut by a decent amount, not decent enough to buy one though

>>103163324
This, holy shit. You are probably going to do a rebuild in 6 years anyway. Just fucking toss it. It's like 150 bucks after taxes.

>>103163388
D15 will last you forever, you stupid consumer whore

>>103161971
I was talking about your camera lenses focus, stupid

>linkin park is back (with a chick)
>nvidia finally killed geforce experience
We're really entering a new timeline.

>>103163324
A LF III 360 is $105 here where I am, or double the PS120. The ability to soak up more heat during loads and summer interests me as much as keeping quiet during desktop use.
>>103163319
Partly for this reason I like air coolers because they never fail, I can always take them off or fire up an old dusty machine. Pump maintenance failures and entropy of the pipe material worries me but it is too interesting now for such a price point, even if I might be better off spending elsewhere right now or if it's overkill for my chip.

New paste competitor just dropped
https://www.techspot.com/news/105537-new-thermal-material-provides-72-better-cooling-than.html

>>103163434
oh no, GFE is staying plus that new app.

>>103163070
No I was just using that as an example of an alternative dual tower cooler. There's no Polish PCPP so we can't just go on and research your local market.

>>103163414
So will a ag620 or a ps120se for 30bux?

Couldn't help myself. I found a guy hocking a 9800x3D for 500 on Facebook Marketplace and grabbed it yesterday. I don't care how he got it, but it's mine now. Now I don't know what AIO to get to deal with the temps. I don't plan on building anything for a month or two, but reccs would be good. The Hyte is cute, but can it actually handle the temps from a 9800x3d?

>>103163434
GeForce Telemetry is never going away. In fact they're doubling down on it. Driver install forces telemetry on you and any GDeflate game also sends telemetry to Nvidia.

nawktuahs are a scam at this point because good AIOs have gone real cheap and thermalright air coolers are also better and cost effective anyways and last just as long as your nawktuahs not to mention being four times cheap

>>103163431
I was aware of that when making a poor attempt at a joke.

>>103163446
one step before Nvidia will tell publishers you pirated the game and block you from running it.

currently using my 4 years old gpu now, all was fine until I stupidly upgraded to a uw monitor from a 1080p one this year so unfortunately my framerate number dropped.
which is best for fps per dollar? 7800xt or 7900gre(60$more) or 4070s(146$). can i still oc my gpu, I heard most of them are oc'd from factory.

>>103163448
I don't see a point in spending more than $60 on air coolers for most chips precisely because it competes with AIO, but like fuck if people can make those last for a sizable chunk of their life (5-10 years) on their own.

>>103163465
don't OC.
if you can get 7900XT for 650-700 it is the best price.perf right now, but better wait for next gen in january

>>103163465
>uw monitor
3440 x 1440? 4080S, 4070TI S or 7900XTX.
It's way more demanding than 2560x1440

Anyone have any experience with the
>lian li o11 compact?
I want to build a smaller PC with a 9700x that isnt mATX

Is the case in OP image just a meme or is it genuinely pretty good? I see a lot of people in the battlestation thread buying it, I presume because they can put their waifu on a giant screen in the corner.

>>103163472
>7900XT
I'll will consider that too if it's really the best price/perf. gonna check the reviews for now. it's about 210$ more than 7800xt. I think i can save up abit if i skip buying chink shit this month.
thanks mate

>>103163483
those are the premiums. in all likelihood, i think i'll pass. I also want to try amd cards

>>103163458
That's the endgame for Pluton. Everyone upgrading to a 9800X3D can't disable it. 5800X3D is the last good CPU without it.

>>103163553
just run windows 10 and its fixed

>>103163545
>gonna check the reviews for now.
check reviews after the price cut, its initial price is $900 and it not worth it for that

>>103163527
I thought those models of cases are getting popular because you can shove many more fans in them and their gallon/liter capacity is much bigger than normal cases, but I guess it makes sense that n!ggercattle just want to shove figures and small screens in those too

>>103163575
Windows 10 support is discontinuing.
When support officially stops so does drivers. New stuff won't boot on it. Even existing games won't boot. Both Fortnite and CoD require you to be on a up to date driver at all times or they refuse to shader compile or start.

>>103163590
just dont play live service junk

>>103163593
Single player gamepass games will also be affected

>>103162473
I use some small magnetic riser prop up thing But i can't even tell if it makes a difference or not, i even used a spirit leveleer and without it it was sitting even ish

>AM4 system
>Clean Windows install, latest Nvidia driver
>Turning XMP on causes stuttering, rare freezes and even rarer fails to boot (all apparently GPU related)
>tested 3 GPUs
>tested 2 memory kits
Is it the CPU memory controller or the motherboard itself?

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Whoah, guys! Look, this heckin gaming PC was 1066€ and now it's ONLY 300€

Sounds like a crazy deal, a STEAL even

>>103163609
What CPU?
Latest current date bios for motherboard?

>>103163037
>mesh filter on frotn along with solid panel
lol what the fuck

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/stalker-2-heart-of-chornobyl-geforce-game-ready-driver/

UPDATE NOW

>>103163583
How many mother fuckers do you know would actually make a custom loop for their build and not just slap an AIO in there, and like six fans? Maybe 4?

>>103163614
what in the fuck i'am looking at? GT 710? That's like older than GTX 960.

>>103163620
2700X on a X470 board, latest BIOS is a few months old but I also randomly tried some older versions.

>>103163276
> Should I try my luck with a 360mm Liquid Freezer III
You need no luck with it. It's German! The King Tiger of AIOs!

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>>103160115
AMD BTFO!

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>>103163614
You can find the GPU+CPU combo for around 10€-20€ if you buy them from ebay. I'm pretture you can even find them for free if you look trough some PC scrapyard and just take the parts from the e-waste lying around

Hell, on a scrap yard you might actually find better components than a fucking gt 710

>>103163444
> hocking a 9800x3D for 500 on Facebook Marketplace
A scalper who tested it and found out it's bad silicon. Congrats!

>>103163685
>oh no it needs 1.15v instead of 1.09v for 5250mhz what should I do?!?

>>103163646
What xmp ram and how many sticks?

>>103163699
I would kms. Shamefur dispray!

>>103163446
> Driver install forces telemetry on you
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/

>>103163720
>Downloaded 2.7 million times
Now imagine the rest running malware drivers

>liquid freezer iii 360 is 330 pln or $80 after rebate
Fuck, actually kinda tempted now considering its only $30 over the PS120 after rebate. Maybe I should give into the AIO jew for the next 5 years.

LL o11 or Antex Flux?

>>103163664
At this point they probably have their own AI model dedicated to shitting on AMD textually.

>>103163448
Visit the Noctua subreddit if you want a good laugh. This company has created an unreal amount of cultists.

>>103163664
>mentions that Intel is mismanaged and in the toilet
>"AMD... LE BAD!"

>>103163800
>>103163800
>>103163800

>>103162978
This >>103163055 anon is right. Silent cases built with solid panel to separate you from noise inside. While their panels actually do their job the irony is that it causes even more noise.
Here's the logic:
1. You put your components inside a box with no holes
2. Due to poor airflow hot air mostly stays inside and doesn't get replaced with fresh air fast enough
3. Your hardware starts to heat more
4. Fans begin to work harder, trying to cool all this shit
5. The PC prodices more noise because fans spin faster and louder
While with a well ventilated case your hardware gets fresh air, stays cool, your fans chill (some might even stop spinning like certain PSUs do) and therefore your PC is nearly silent.

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>>103162204
>>103162194
>>103162190
>>103162181
Thanks!

I had 2 9800x3d's in my house for about 5 hours.
I just returned the more expensive one back.

>>103163664
Where's the falsehood AMDrone?

>>103164610
How long did it take Intel to RMA your 14900k? Shame they aren't providing your website with their latest gen of chips.