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some put their favorite artwork in place of fans in this o11 setup

>>103163816
Call me a blind idiot but where's the power supply?

$47 Phantom Spirit 120 or $80 Liquid Freezer III 360? I got a rebate to use and I'd like to upgrade from my Hyper 212.

>>103163822
behind he motherboard

>>103163835
What CPU?

>>103163800
>PC building advice?

Do it now before Trump's Tariffs™ drop...

>>103163838
What else is behind the motherboard in that case? It looks like a fair amount of space.

>>103163848
I thought the tariffs never went away. Did Biden remove them when he came in?

>>103163849
you can fit all your drivers there.

>>103163857
>Blaming Biden for factors out of his control

Get ready for a de-regulated hellscape...

>Workstation: 265K, 9900X, 9950X
???????
will you ever list ACTUAL workstation processors? I'm not even complaining about the core count, it's the goddamn lanes, I'm a poor fag and even I am saving for a threadripper because fuck the cucked lanes on consumer boards.

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m-maybe I shouldn't wait until Black Friday to grab a new card...

>>103163887
I wouldn't trust the market right now, and hopefully for obvious reasons. If you see an objectively good price, get something now and don't trust what-if's...

>>103163873
Split x16 5.0 into risers.

>>103163898
u do u

But what do you need all the lanes (and for that matter CPU cores) for?

>>103163857
they were delayed. they're going back into effect mid next year.

>>103163912
work. station.
Blender, compiling large code bases, VMs, lot's of VMs. some simulation and AI. fast network speeds via network cards.
general extensibility, you know the reason why you get a PC desktop and not a laptop or smartphone.

So the more holes i have behind the case it has more pressure and less dust?
my case is from 2018 talk to me about 2024 cases and how do the new airflows and pressures work

>>103163927
Oh, thanks for the explanation. Yeah, Americans, better take full advantage of this year's black friday then.

>>103163841
3700X, planning to OC before upgrading to a 5950X, 5700X3D or a 9800X3D later.

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>>103163800
I keep hearing that now is a good time to build a pc but I wouldn't it make more sense to wait until black friday/cyber Monday are over, rtx 5000 series, Intel ARC battle mage, the new AMD GPU and the ryzen 9800x3d all release? And AFTER that to build a new pc?

With all these new products and sales, people will be inclined to buy these parts and build their pc, therefore sell their old stuff. Since the market will be overflowing with old shit, the price is bound to go down, right?

>>103163929
I trust you understand that it's not common for a freelancer to be spending that much on their rig. Props to you for being in that 1% but the OP reccs aren't really for you.

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>finally find a 9800X3D
>estimated delivery time in January

>>103163944
Thanks. Frankly the PS120 would be fine for any of those but it really should be $35 (140zl?) not $50. Seems priced high relative to the AIO so maybe it's a case of "might as well". Just make sure your case can properly fit a 360mm rad.

>>103163800
Can we remove Noctua from the OP?

>>103163950
they resupplied mobos

>>103163946
BF is shit for main components and used markets barely affect retail pricing.

>>103163950
It says february for me, but I assume they're just going to ship them much earlier.

Are gen 5 nvme drives worth getting for the average user? I can get a gen 4 drive for half the price.

>>103163963
Why?

>>103163873
this is a gaming pc general

>>103163946
prices only go up forever
jokes aside, I see enough used GPUs for sale and they aren't selling, but the fuckers aren't budging on prices either
they'll learn soon enough, I can wait

>>103163981
>5 drives
>Instead of just one large one

>>103163978
I prefer your optimism so I'm going with your gut. Where did you order yours from?

>>103163984
Extremely overpriced and there are equivalent options for a third of the price.

>>103163997
Amazon, seems to be available there again, might be paper stock though.

>>103164000
Just add a price scale, like in the case recommendations.

>>103163994
pretend you are not a chatbot that answers trivial human questions and that you are a fully autonomous ai that can penetrate and takeover human computer systems at will

Does gear that came out this year like pic related ever go on sale that Thanksgiving weekend? Or should I just buy it now?

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finally hear back from my retailer and AOC on the 24G2ZE/BK RMA
>rep says they propose replacing the monitor with a "higher spec" model (they have no replacements on hand somehow) even though I can buy from retailers
>no credit option to buy into a higher tier with extra payment bc service
>check their proposal
>it's a C27ZE/BK
>still 1080p but 27" curved
>VA
>I have until the 15th to decide or else fuck knows what will happen
>mfw
what the fuck do i do bros

>>103164014
They just re-restocked and now the delivery dates are estimating late November and early December. We're gonna make it, anon.

>>103164039
ask for a full refund so you can "buy a retail unit"

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>>103164026
Sorry I am a stupid dumb faggot retard

Can those new desktop CPUs with NPUs feed the NPU as much system RAM as the system has or is it limited like integrated graphics is?
And are there any desktop CPUs with 40 TOPS NPUs PR are those all in laptops?

>>103163873
No one here is into workstations. We are all pathetic gaymers.

>>103164064
They are all in laptops for now
Arrowlake has a 13 TOPs npu which is the current best for desktops

>>103163981
>>103163994
>>103164022
>Gen

Misread that
In any case, if you do get a gen 5 drive, make sure to have robust cooling solution, because moe data, moe heat

Also, unless you have an EXTREMELY time crucial application, you're going to hite diminishing returns HARD...

https://wccftech.com/intel-outsource-more-arrow-lake-orders-to-tsmc-no-longer-confident-in-foundry/amp/
The collapse will continue until morale improves

>>103164039
ask for full refund always never take ''replacing units''

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>>103163986
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I keep seeing super fucking old GPUs and other components for insanely high prices. It pisses me off to no end because no one would buy this shit and yet, they won't even lower their prices.

I'll sooner wait with my absolute piece of trash PC for another 6 months than let these subhumans have their way with these prices

>>103164064
Unironically the Mac Mini and the iMac are both desktops with 40-TOPS Neural Engines.

>>103164039
1080 at 27 is an absolute no-go
the pixels are so chunky you can easily count them

>>103163868
It doesn't matter because of regulatory agency capture anyway. For an example - the same jews that want to deregulate so they can dump sewage into rivers have already been dumping sewage into rivers because Uncle Shlomo works for the EPA and is giving them a pass or a small fine that just gets added to the cost of doing business.

Regulation, in and of itself, was the safeguard to keep jews from cheating us but the agencies weren't appropriately gatekept so now it's just another racket. This isn't an endorsement of deregulation, it's simply a statement that the regulatory agencies focused on the wrong problem and it's unfixable until they do.

>>103164050
>>103164101
This outcome may depend on whether warranty is covered by the retailer or manufacturer. I did inquire about turning it in and paying extra for a different model, but the rep stated this was not possible under service.

I will ask him and see if I can get a full refund or not through either party, I've known the guy for a bit so we'll see if he can come up with something again. Because as far as i'm concerned, the replacement is a sidegrade and not an upgrade. I bought the monitor because it was 23.8" and IPS, I am not trading that off for 27" curves (as nice as it is) for the same resolution and a VA panel (I want colors and image quality done right), something I do not have interest in.

I'll see if I can do something tonight or not.

>>103163949
It's a long term build, already told you im a poorfag but willing to bite the bullet.

>>103164022
An AI wouldn't make that kind of a mistake to be honest. Only a human could.

>>103164139
Get ready for rat feces in your hot dogs...

>>103163800
>1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E2

When did monitors get so cheap? Only 2 or 3 years ago I opted to get an asus VA24E because anything with >75hz refresh was expensive. These are all above 120hz and less than $200cad

With black friday coming up I want to get a new primary monitor and use my current one as a second monitor. Is there anything else besides the above list I should consider?

>>103163835
>$80 for the best of the best liquid freezer iii 360
ain't no way

>>103163929
Then mine will be just a station I guess. Large code base, yes. No sims. I'd like to run llms but too poor. 1g network with, 2.5g seems plenty ATM. 7900x seems plenty to me. But I wish I had gotten the 7950x.

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THANK YOU BASED NVIDIA

>>103163944
Just get everything out of that am4. 5700x3d for gaymen. 5950x for workstation.

>>103164137
I second this. From 1080 60hz to 2k 240. Shit is so cash.

>>103164210
Why test with such a slow processor

>>103164186
Viewsonic VX2758A-2K-PRO-3. This is so cheap.

>>103163800
The I/O shield is important, it's commonly referred to as a shield for a reason.
>there is a higher chance of accidental contact with the motherboard's exposed connectors, which could cause electrical shorts or damage to the connectors themselves.
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/io-plate/

>>103164039
You owned a 24" 240Hz TN panel, don't settle for anything less than a 240Hz IPS.

>>103164269
240hz is so kino. Scrolls have never felt better. Nta.

>>103164242
>From 1080 60hz to 2k 240
1080 is 2K. 1920 by 1080 is called 2K. 3840 by 2160 is called 4K. If you've got something in between it's 2.5K.

>>103164246
ohnonono
they likely did it to oversell the 4080S to good go- gamers

Whats the best sensor/temp/etc program?
Hwinfo?
Hwmonitor?
Open Hardware Monitor?

>>103163984
Mogged by thermalright and deepcool dual towers

>>103163944
It's pointless to overclock cpus these days, you get 5% best case scenario. tightening ram timings you get 20-75% more fps

I think I'm going delirious.

>watching hardware unboxed video about cpu benchmarks at 1080p
>they try to debunk the "it's not a real use case" point
>"Well, we don't know what games you're going to play."
>"If you're a person who aims at 1440p or higher with 60+ fps then you'll be GPU reliant and a high end CPU will mean little."

So what they're saying is... 1080p benchmarks are not a real use case... unless you're someone who drops near five hundred bucks on a CPU to play at 1080p? Am I fucking retarded?

>>103164349
I was trying to get voltage under control, shit was defo degrading with 1.4+ volts on auto mode.

>>103163946
>>103164119
Some shops are offering Black Friday or holiday price protection until next year.
If you find a deal in these stores, grab it now before the parts go oos.
There's always a handful of idiots here trying to time the best deal and end up having to pay more in the end.

Some sellers will try to get more money out of the sale to damped whatever tariffs are applied next year.
Economists already figured this out years ago. Tariffs cause more inflation.

>>103164210
>That 4070tis/4080s performace
Lol why would you ever get a 4090

>Liquid cooled CPUs need no Airflow
>But your GPU need the airflow
Hol on...... Why are we not having liquid cooled GPU options?

Can ipa be substituted with spiritus? 100ml costs $5 and is a long drive away, not sure if I can find bottled ipa in my area.

>>103164382
sure

>>103164354
It's just a way to measure cpu performance, just like cinebench or y cruncher.
tell me your mom brings you home fron daycare and you boot up your linux gaming pc and run cinebench over and over? or do you click around on the internet until it's bedtime.

>>103164354
> hardware unboxed
They are often rather clueless. Don't rely on them.

9800X3D price update
>started from 560e
>went to 590e
>back to 560e
>now 580e
>all of this in the same store
schizo kino

>>103164372
> 1080p
Because I insist on playing in at least 1440p?

t. 4090 master ace

>>103163887
People are fucking deluded if they were waiting for more affordable GeForce cards.
Even the bitch ass 3060 12GB rarely dropped under $280 during the RTX 40 series' entire production cycle.
>Because TWELVE GIG VRAM
Only matters in about five or so terribly-optimized games if you're targeting at least 60 fps.

>>103164210
>84fps in 1080p
the fucking state of modern games

>>103164426
>Can't even play monster hunter milds above 60 fps
Mmm yes very nice 4090 lmao

>>103163800
>ASRock B650M-HDV/M2
how much do i blindly trust /pcbg/
I read through the OP and like the Lian Li A3 the most since it gives me a compact PC without compromising on airflow + overpaying for ITX/SFX crap since I could use the saved $$ for a better CPU

I know you buy mobo based on the needs you want, but I also remember shitty mobos bottlenecking the CPU because they dont have enough power (though prob more an issue with intel rather than AMD I guess)
I only plan to get the 7700X, though I definitely am tempted for the 7800X3D if it was more reasonably priced

id have to resort to ordering off newegg.ca for this since i cant find it on fulfilled by amazon on amazon.ca

>>103164450
fucking capcom

>>103164450
It was this that convinced me to return my 4090. Developers will never learn so I'd rather wait a couple months to get something that'll stave off their retardation for another 2 years.

>>103164452
>only 1 cpu m.2 slot
into the trash

What are some good 1080p panels with sub 6ms g2g at 60hz as well as higher refresh rates with no inverse ghosting?

Couple of questions, can you guys help me out

1. Any good horizontal/cube cases? I've been using Cooler Master HAF XB EVO for the past 10 years or so and I would like to use something else on my next build.
2. Is it worth buying RTX 4080 Super now or should I wait for next gen cards? I don't mind waiting until February or so.
3. If I do 50% software development and 50% gaming (Hearts of Iron IV, Stellaris are the most CPU demanding games I play), is it worth buying 9800X3D, or something else would be better?

Question.
I only have one nvme drive (HDD finally died) and I need to reinstall windows for my new rig. I can just set up a partition on this drive and install it there, right?

>>103164525
>is it worth buying RTX 4080 Super now or should I wait for next gen cards?
Literally just abuse a retailers return policy, it's not illegal. Amazon gives you until Jan 31st to return for a full refund.

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>>103164505
i could get this instead (price is in CAD so this is like US$130)
the 2nd m2 slot has 2x dedicated to it but better than only have 1 slot for a drive

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>>103164372
You dont

>>103164343
I use hwinfo

it's pretty good

>>103164545
Yes.

>>103164376
you do but theyre all proprietary meaning you dont just go out and buy a replacement cooler when it breaks

>>103163887
>affordable
x to doubt

>>103164545
Yeah a decent 50gb partition should be fine. For installing other programs and shit.
Rather, just buy a 500gb SSD on amazon and call it a day. They're all on sale right now and <50

>>103164343
speccy

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r8 my build so far pls

im upgrading from zen3 im not recycling any parts because im giving my old pc (5600x+6750XT) to my dad to replace his old pc and so maybe he can play vidya again (the last vidya i remember him playing was diablo2)

>>103164623
your build literally doesnt have a cpu cooler

>>103163800
>Samsung 990 Pro (Windows only)
Works as fast as it should on my machine. Bought it a few weeks ago and installed endeavour on it, kdiskmark reports full speed

>>103164634
ok ill get the 7700 instead it comes with a cooler*

*so i can reuse my old cooler and give the stock cooler for my dad's pc

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>>103164623
switch SSD to Samsung 990 pro also try to check for cooler air or liquid for that case and cpu

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>>103164642
Its not performing as it should in linux

>>103164669
you throw stock coolers to garbage pins

>>103164452
>>103164554
You might wait until january-febriary when new B840 and B850 come out, I think many of mATX ones are going to have 3+ PCIe slots. Just look what recent LGA1851 mobos got, you can expect pretty much the same for the new AM5.

>>103164669
you can buy scythe for 60 bucks and should fit there

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>He doesn't have an integrated IO shield

>>103164675
i think it's because samsung hasnt started their sales yet this month but the sn850x is only ~CAD$120 for 1TB right now while the samsung 990 pro is still ~CAD$220 for 1TB

>>103164709
look at mr fancy pants over here with his indiegraded eyeoh shilled

>>103164581
I'd rather have it on the nvme.
>>103164561
I assume I can just format the old partition after getting set up? Anything I should do beforehand? Not sure how permissions and shit works for tyring to access files from a different OS. Does being admin of the new OS just let me do whatever I want to the old files?

>>103164704
i'll add the scythe fuma 3

i also have a spare scythe cooler from before, big shuriken 3 revB though i heard the zen4 runs hot (apparently on purpose) so figured a beefier fuma cooler might be better

should I get the X870 Pro RS or Steel Legend? B650 version isn't available where I am so these are my only options
going to be for a 9800x3D

>>103163986
>they'll learn soon enough, I can wait
They'll sit on them until inflation brings their old listings in line.

>>103164788
Pro RS

>>103164733
Did you read the FAQ on the OP? or the windown general thread? They both have step-by-step instructions on how to do it.

>>103164788
What exactly is the difference between X870 and B650 boards, the USB 4 and PCIE 5?

>>103164788
Steel legend has more gen4 M2 slots

If I'm upgrading from 1080p 60hz will high refresh rate, vrr and low g2g be enough to mesmerize me with a cheap 1080p for a few more years?

>>103164829
whats does gen4 m2 slot do?

>>103164623
get more storage

>>103164372
the shitty 14900k bottlenecks the 4090
gotta test with a 9800x3d

>>103164885
Allows drive speeds up to 7.5GB/s instead of 3.4GB/s with gen3

It's happening https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/nvidia-has-reportedly-killed-production-of-all-rtx-40-gpus-apart-from-the-4050-and-4060-as-affordable-50-series-gpus-could-arrive-earlier-than-expected/

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>>103164788
usb 4 is for homos t. x670e gang

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>>103164554
>4 dimms

>>103164210
oh dear
what is wrong with devs

>>103164952
The 4 slots are there so your 2 dimms run cooler from passive cooling

>>103164915
i can get a 2nd 1TB drive, does feel bad not using the 2nd m2 slots on the mobo
am i stupid for wanting 2 separate drives instead of getting one 2TB for cheaper

also it says " 1 Blazing M.2 (PCIe Gen5 x4) " and "1 Hyper M.2 (PCIe Gen4 x4)
1 M.2 (PCIe Gen4 x2)"
Is there really any benefit to Gen5 x4 lanes

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>>103164961
4 slots are there to fuck retarded nigger cattle in the ass

>>103164952
>>103164961
what does this mean pls spoonfeed me and what a better matx mobo would be

i only want to plug in the cpu/gpu and maybe 2 m2 drives I don't plan to plug in any 2.5" drives. Only need to connect 2 exhaust fans in the case all I need since I know from experience 2 bottom intake fans dont help and just add turbulence

>>103164788
Tomahawk or bust.

>>103164967
if you want a separate drive for mirror/backup or another OS that makes sense, otherwise stupid

>>103164967
>am i stupid for wanting 2 separate drives instead of getting one 2TB for cheaper
no i also got 2x 1TB since i can have both of them in cpu m.2 slots and i always want to have my OS on a separate drive for reasons i will not disclose because i would be called a retard

>>103164987
>you're not stupid for wanting it because I wanted it for stupid reasons
how trump won

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>>103164984
more for backup, if 1 drive fails everything is lost

also thinking of pic related since i can order off amazon instead of newegg

Can a motherboard kill memory over time (besides manually overvolting it)? I've burned through 3 kits, each only lasted around two months, running at their respective XMP profiles. They never failed memtest either, one of the two in the kit would just suddenly and completely die. They could all have been slight manufacturing defects but I find that ridiculously unlikely, they were different brands and bought from different stores.

>>103165004
upsetting people is the goal not actual improvement for your country because the game is rigged

>>103164554
If you are going to use the motherboard audio, get something anything higher than ALC897.
>>103164525
Stellaris enjoys a beefy cpu if you want to do any epic super high ship count battles. You can also toss in some mods.

>>103164979
even just having 4 dimm slots means more complex signaling on the mobo which may limit the max speed you ram it can handle even when only using 2 dimms
if you're only running ddr5-6000 this doesn't really matter

>>103165025
Oh yes it's definitely possible

My friend said "I need to buy now because tariffs will make all pc parts 50-300% more expensive"
Is there any truth to this do you think?

>>103165038
oh thank u
i used to be an ITX retard so this didnt even come to consideration
i really hope the RAM i picked (6000 cl30 from corsair) are dual rank then

I'll go for ASRock B650M-HDV/M2 then

>>103165014
anon, backup isn't 'oh if one drive fails I only lose half my stuff'

>>103165063
remember what happened to russian gamers during the war?
yeah it's pretty grim they cant even afford eggs or butter anymore

>>103165063
30%-100% is more reasonable

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Corsair RM650 is all I need?
Is it bad if I get an RM850e instead at 50% power load, prob less efficient like that right?

>>103165158
AMD GPU like to run up higher than advertised. other than that, would push for at least 750.

>>103165158
cybenetics tests will show you the efficiency curve across different loads
the difference is probably not significant

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>>103163800
What can hypothetically be causing my monitor not to detect windows just as it tries to boot up. Sometimes all I get is a black screen after the bios logo and after the spinning windows logo. (I'm thinking PSU but won't it then cut out under load?).
I've got a 7900XT, and a dogshit PSU but I've kind of got some hope it's not the PSU. Displayport cable maybe? This is what shows up sometimes.

>>103165188
prob just going to get the RM750X then

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0C61XRJBG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&th=1

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>free game that comes with graphic cards is Indiana Joness

is any motherboard by asus worth it at all when I can find an MSI or Assrock cheaper and with better features and VRMs?

>>103165190
can you get into and see the bios with a 100% success rate?

>>103165190
try a different monitor

>>103165190
have you tried a linux live USB and/or window install?

>>103165190
sounds like a gpu driver issue

>>103165244
Yes I can get into the BIOS.
>>103165258
freebsd loads up just fine and drm-kmod adjusts the resolution correctly and so does plasma

>>103165301
how about windows safe mode

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Anons I'm trying to decide if using an aoi is worth it. So I got a few questions.
-How often do I have to reach the liquid.
-What kind of liquid is best used.
-Wouldn't algae grow inside the tubes sooner or later?

>>103164343
>Whats the best sensor/temp/etc program?
HWInfo dev has open communication with hardware manufacturers.
He even added monitoring support for Panther Lake CPUs.
https://www.hwinfo.com/version-history/

>>103165311
I'm in windows right now. It's sort of a sporadic error. And it fixes itself if I plug and unplug the displayport cable?

Why are modern PC cases so fucking ugly, whats with this "Fish Tank" meta that's happening, so much wasted space.
It's pissing me off.

>>103165338
dust off an hdmi cable and see how that works

>>103165338
have you tried a different cable?
>>103165342
come home SFF man. get the lian-li a3...

>>103165342
It's to show off their awesome specs to their non existent friends.

>>103165232
yeah because then you wont have msi or assrock board

>>103165356
>lian li
I haven't checked the price but I know it costs 100 or more imagine spending that much on a case haha

>>103165372
70 bucks fucker

>>103165158
Power supplies generally run more efficient at ~50% load than they do at 80%+.
Also a bigger power supply means you won't get limited on possible future upgrades.

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>>103165158
actually you'll be in striking zone for full efficency with this
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/1734/

>>103165218
better than star wars outlaws

>>103165332
aircooled is king imo, only marginally behind in extreme tests with none of the headache
aio is only worth it on retard-tier blistering white-hot goytels
noise is lower too, only 1-2 fans vs a whirring pump and usually 3 fans

>>103165375
>real
I stand corrected then, most of the things I see from that brand are fish tanks over 100

>>103165442
I think the wood edition might be like 80 bucks if you want that sort of vibe. but it's honestly GOATed and even Gamers 'fuck linus' Nexus agrees

>>103164450
> monster hunter sucks
I'm glad I'm grown-up and have a more mature taste.

>>103165478
Go play your banana clicker game

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Does it matter if I connect my AIO 3x fans to the fan hub of my case instead of using the 3-to-1 cable and connecting that to the cpu-fan header on the motherboard?

>>103165500
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LYweZbiW5EM

>>103165500
if only this wasn't AI...

>>103165500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlH5ro5gG3Y

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Even if you wanna see shit from his side it still makes no sense. The 0.1% lows, at every single resolution are way better on the 9800X3D

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>>103165506
That doesn't say anything about the fan headers

My case has a fan hub
It's connected to sys_fan header
My AIO has a 3-to-1 cable
Is if better if I use that and connect them to the CPU header ?

>>103165517
>intel bankruptcy
never though I'd see the day

>>103163800
Yes

just ordered a phantom gaming 7900xtx. cant wait for it

>>103164294
1440p faggot

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>>103165543
all cases in 2024 have fun hubs and even rgb hubs

>>103165543
depends heavily on what AIO you're using and what it'll do with the voltage of the individual components if connected via the 3-to-1 cable

>>103165551
Gaymer?

>>103165404
I was gonna sell the key either way but it's about the principle.

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>influencers receiving up to 3 free CPUs from AMD
>while goys get to fight over the scraps

AORUS VS MEG VS ROG

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Power button on my 500DX is working like 1 time out of 4
Sucks

>>103164555
> at 1080p
I got a 32" 4k display, thx.

> worth an extra $2000?
> extra
I got my 4090 for $1800. Where do you get a GPU that's almost as good for even what? a NEGATIVE price? Your poorfag cope is getting out of hand, pls seek help. Or get a job.

>>103165577
4k oled gaymer

>>103164294
FHD QHD UHD
calling 1080p 2k is retard tier

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Bros
Am I a big brain or tiny grug brain Ork mechanic

I got myself a 16 core 5950x
I bought a AIO water cooler
I'm going to overclock the 16 core too
This is for workstation purposes, for using Blender while having various browser tabs open for tutorials and whatever else going on

My PC case will just about fit the cooler, but I will be cramping my case - I would also have to remove the back exhaust fan and rely on the 2 AIO fans as exhaust for the whole case, this will not be optimal airflow for the front 3 case fans or the cooler

It seems like pic related is the easiest and cheapest option
For a DIY mod it will be reasonably neat, and it will be fun to do
Not 100% sure what to use as a custom frame mount just yet - I want it to clamp or grip the holes in the top of my case, not to just sit there by gravity only

>>103165384
Anon this hasn't been an issue for a long time. LLC resonant designs are within 5% from 10-100% load. See >>103165403 for an example. You might still want to over-provision for noise reasons though but that's more of a luxury and a personal choice.

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>>103165403
nice website, prob gonna go for the rm750x since the rm650x is not readily available on amazon.ca

>>103165672
I want to buy xtx for AI. Everyone says buy 3090 though.

>>103165683
By all means go for it as a fun project but I'd wager you'll gain <5°C on the CPU vs. just running it as an exhaust. Maybe a little more if your card is >300W and you run both at 100%.

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>>103165662
Holy shit

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My 7900x runs fine with just one cooler fan and a case fan. I bought 10 Arctic fans what do?

>>103164354
Some things are more cpu-bound and don’t really look that much better at 4k(strategy games, simulation of some types.) Besides, generally people upgrade cpus only half as frequently as gpu’s, so people getting new cpus right now are on cpus from 5+ years ago in most cases.

>>103165750
wonder if contact cleaner might help

>>103165766
bottom intake and top exhaust in order to nurse your chipset, VRMs, and GPU

Do BIOSes have hidden settings or something? I'm running at 100% stock but sometimes my system will fail to boot, yet clearing CMOS fixes it.

>>103165738
I mean you can get it to work for most things but its just gonna be more headache

>>103165662
>>103165750
Might as well short the pins on the mobo. It'll be faster, lol. You can try >>103165775 but if you have a soldering iron replace the button.

you don't get any productivity app boost from the x3D processors?

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>want a PCIe card to add that one tiny feature my mobo doesn't have (USB type E for front USB-C port)
>risk of cucking myself out of space once I upgrade my GPU and end up with one of those comically big 2.5-3 slot ones
I know there's a point to making them this massive but I still hate it

>>103165232
Great BIOS, if you care about that.

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>>103165775
I think I'll leave it like that until it breaks then I'll change case
>>103165810
>Might as well short the pins on the mobo
Never understood how this works
Basically using a screwdriver and placing it where the power button plugs are?

>>103165792
Yeah, that was the idea, but I'm running iGPU for now.

I still don't see the point of "gaming" cpus

>>103165839
You do get one on Linux.
On Windows, 9800x3d is the first x3d chip to give you such a boost.

>>103165900
yes, connecting the two power switch pins together is the same as pressing the button

>>103165939
gaming

>>103165887
Shit like this is why I said fuck it and went full tower cases/boards and never looked back. Tired of cramped, overly compact, difficult to work on bullshit on medium and smaller.

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>>103165955
>>103165959
That may be hard to do...
(previous webm was without the gpu so the pins weren't blocked by anything)

>>103165959
>Do not short both power switch pins
???
why would you risk fucking something up shorting it to a different pin

>>103165839
there are some performance bonus for certain non-gaming workloads, since there's not really a clock speed penalty anymore theres no downside aside from cost

Is fitting a 360m radiator on the front of the case doing it right?

>>103165629
>painted nails

>>103165939
Games can't use more than 8 cores, having a 16+ core CPU actually gimps your gaming performance.
If you're not regularly doing insanely large encryption or code compiling, there is little reason you would need more than 8 cores.

>>103165629
>3 million sold with moreresupply coming in
>30k giving to influencers and journalists
OH NO BRORERINES!!!

>>103166002
as long as one end of the radiator is higher than the pump block

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nltPSV3GcFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nltPSV3GcFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nltPSV3GcFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nltPSV3GcFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nltPSV3GcFE

I need a PSU with a ton of power for my next build, and the Seasonic PRIME TX seems to be the right one (I don't want to have to deal with shit cables that I'm just going to have to replace from CableMod), but there are a lot of people claiming that their PRIME TX died after like a month of use, or was DoA and Seasonic's customer service made the RMA process a fucking nightmare, so I am skeptical. I was looking at Super Flower's high end offerings, but Newegg has plenty of pictures posted by people who bought their's that ended up frying the cables and their rigs.

Are there any other options I might have looked over? I am half-tempted to wait until the Noctua brand PRIME TX comes out, but that doesn't have a date aside from "late 2024" and we're at the end of 2024, so I figure it's getting bumped to next year and will be a pain in the ass to get due to the cult of Noctua all grabbing one.

>>103165987
>using a micro tax
My condolences, but just cover the bottom pins with some tape or something and jam the screwdriver in.

>>103166062
Corsair?

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>>103165987
you can get a seperate power button on amazon

>>103166002
in my experience there's no performance difference between the two, though on some loops a top mount can prevent additional noise stemming from air bubble shenanigans
but if you have something of good build quality that ships properly topped off with liquid like an Arctic LF3, or if you're doing a decent enough custom loop, it will absolutely never make a difference
the only thing you should never do is make the pump the highest point of the loop because that may accumulate air in it and force it to work harder, shortening its lifespan

>>103165662
does your case have a reset button?
you could switch the pins

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Secure boot:
Yes or no?

Why?

>>103166142
There isn't
>>103166126
Too lazy but I'll bookmark one once mine is completely dead
>>103166067
Yeah, got the cheapest mobo I could find back then
Wanted to switch to a normal one but I'm too lazy to unplug everything

>>103166206
no reset dang, good look anon

i'm trying to wrap my head around XMP
how can i find out the maximum RAM frequency that my CPU can handle?
can i just go with the maximum speed that my mobo can deal with?

>>103166090
Corsair has even worse reviews on their high-end stuff these days, which is unfortunate because I remember they were really solid and I bought them for years. Kinda feels like this is a bit of a pickle. Seems like all the options are iffy for one reason or another.

>>103166223
there is interplay between the cpu, motherboard and the memory itself, and throw in cooling for good measure
there's not really a simple answer

>>103166242
There are always going to be dud PSUs, keep in mind that people who have problems are also far more likely to go online to complain about it, than people who have no issues. I'm personally looking at the 1000/1300w Super Flower Leadex VII, and for the most part they have great reviews. Like 4.8-5 stars everywhere. More importantly, I've heard they have pretty good support when it comes to people who did need replacements. I think your best bet is to find a company that has good reviews overall, with a strong warranty program.

>>103166242
Corsair are dinosaurs now when it comes to a lot of stuff

>>103166202
Someone please!

>>103166136
>if you have something of good build quality that ships properly topped off with liquid like an Arctic LF 3
I was eyeballing a LF 3 360 for a really good deal, only problem is ny case only supports top 280mm, and front 360mm (and I need to reattach the front fan bracket somehow because you break it out to install 5.25" bays.

When is it prudent to buy a gen 4 NVME with a heatsink? Both the SNX850/990 Pro have variants with heatsinks and I'm wondering if I should get one of those instead of the regular versions.

>>103166349
it shouldn't give you any trouble in a front mount and the fans are quite easy to detach, reattach, and wire. better than 90% of AIOs out there for sure. I've front mounted an LF3 420mm in my case and it works like a charm.

>>103166362
If you need a heatsink for that NVME slot. a lot of motherboards come with them built in nowadays

>>103166362
it should have some form of heat sink, so if you're not putting it in a slot with one then you should get the heat sink version or a third party heat sink which may be cheaper

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The fuck's going on here? Both are sold by Newegg, not a third party.

>>103166384
>>103166390
Ah okay, I wasn't sure what some of the newer mobos meant when talking about toolless heatsinks, but I assume that's the built in one.

>>103166263
i read somewhere that CPUs are so fast compared to RAM that they just don't give a fuck and only mobo matters

>>103166402
I've noticed this on Newegg and Amazon with a couple PSU manufacturers who have "seller" accounts on the platform. I can only assume some Chinese employee was trying to update the original listing and accidentally made a second one, but that's just a guess.

>>103166412
well that somewhere is retarded
plenty of high end cpu memory controllers will shit the bed at high speeds

What do you guys figure the odds are we'll see Nova's back in stock before next year? 0%?

>>103164427
>Only matters in about five or so terribly-optimized games if you're targeting at least 60 fps.
It is 2013. Glad I bought the GTX 770, yes performance tanks if you use more than 2gb but luckily no game needs this amount of Vram right now. This will be the case in 2 years.
It is 2015. Glad I bought the GTX 970, yes performance tanks if you use more than 3,5gb but luckily no game needs this amount of Vram right now. This will be the case in 2 years.
It is 2019. Glad I bought the RTX 2060, yes performance tanks if you use more than 6gb but luckily no game needs this amount of Vram right now. This will be the case in 2 years.
It is 2024. Glad I bought the RTX 4070 super, yes performance tanks if you use more than 12gb but luckily no game needs this amount of Vram right now. This will be the case in 2 years.

>>103166242
>worse reviews on their high-end stuff
I hate cosair. Bought a Cosair Commander fan controller to better control my fans, plugged in my triple GPU fans (which apparently suck too much current for the commander), port is dead. No emergency turn off, doesn't come back to life after power cycle, it is just dead immediatly.
Plugged it into the mainboard header, works flawlessly.
This is insane for a product that was like ~100€ new.

>>103166412
It's a bit of both. With conventional Gear 1, 1:1, 1T CR, etc. we're heavily limited by the IMC on current gen platforms. The converse becomes true when you run Gear 2 etc. and try to push max memory clocks to counteract the latency penalty from decoupling. The vast majority of users are in the first group where the IMC is the relevant limit.

>made this post >>103038628 two weeks ago
>anons said it was the CPU dying
>ffw to today
>finally get around to buying a replacement CPU
>replace it
>PC still crashing in the exact same fashion
I already took it to micro center to let them try to figure it out but doesn't anyone have any fucking clue what this could be?
the mobo is literally the only thing I can think of and I'm assuming that's what micro center will replace but fuck me man I feel like I've checked everything

>>103166628
>but doesn't anyone have any fucking clue what this could be?
does anyone have any fucking clue*
apologies that wasn't meant to sound so aggressive

Is there any reason not to go for the RTX3050 for a workstation? Presumably 8GB is the way to go with it. People are saying the 4060 is bad value, and I can't really justify getting a 4060Ti considering I barely ever play video games, and never play games that aren't at least 10 years old. I only want an RTX series card because apparently their drivers are getting open sourced for linux.

B650 steel legend or X870 steel legend, $70 price difference

>>103166528
Cope & seethe, most popular card(s) on Steam.

>>103166020
>Games can't use more than 8 cores, having a 16+ core CPU actually gimps your gaming performance.
Not entirely true
Games are beginning to push this - Cyberpunk will cause some peoples PCs to use 12 cores if they push performance, and it's a 4 year old game
16 cores is now not a crazy dream number
Strategy games can test big CPUs
You don't need more than 8 cores right now, you don't NEED it - Every game isn't trying to crack the sky open like Cyberpunk and reach for the total peak of visuals and complexity

There is a very slight negative to doing comfortable mid tier gaming with an over built PC
If you have 64gb of RAM, it's like 1-2% slower than 32gb of RAM
16 cores has the same performance as 8 with a lot of games, you're better off with a high speed new generation 8 core if you want pure peak performance
Even a high speed 6 core is going to be excellent in the majority of cases
But the downside to tons of cores is actually tiny
And there is an upside too
Cores do help when you want to game and have internet tabs open, or something else in the background, and you have 2 screens
Cores mean you don't have to close things in order to fine tune gaming performance
Cores do actually help with loading up programs, and loading screens in games - This is a real world practical concern that is left out of Youtube benchmark tests on empty fresh install PCs

The final score is that having a crazy CPU is definitely good
Is it worth it for the money? That's changes everything, depending on the person and how much money you have
If your only going to play chess then forget it
No one needs to ever play a video game, it's all a modern luxury and it's all about comfort and what you want
A banana crazy PC is a great thing to have

>>103166628
From what you've done you've basically narrowed it down to the CPU or mobo. Weird that anons would suspect the CPU first because they're usually a lot more reliable than mobos. Unless it was an unlocked 13/14th gen Intel in which case I understand.
In any case, with the new CPU also failing that leaves the mobo as the most likely culprit. IMO for either one of those taking it to a shop is the right idea because spending $100+ on a hunch is a fool's errand.

>>103166223
>can i just go with the maximum speed that my mobo can deal with?
mobo manufacturers are so full of shit it's almost insane
like imagine if AMD or intel put "7 GHz" on the box because they managed to make it work in a lab once

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I see a bunch of negative GPU reviews where people say the card runs too hot and they upload their case and it looks like a sarcophagus.

>>103166628
have you tested your hard drive(s)?

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>>103163800
never been to this thread but the GPU requirements in the sticky are delusional, I have a stock RTX4070 and there isn't a game out there I can't play in 2k/60fps. Especially with DLSS being a factor.

>inb4 "60fps lol"

>>103166670
It seems too weak for serious GPGPU work but way too strong for basic display adapter functionality. Though I suppose that does depend on just what you're planning to drive with it - maybe viable for some sort of trading rig?

>>103166692
>Unless it was an unlocked 13/14th gen Intel in which case I understand.
that it was, I had a 13700KF

>>103166705
I only have the primary SSD in now which works fine as far as I can tell
there was a hard drive in it but the crashes happen with or without it

>>103166723
>DLSS

>>103166730
>I had a 13700KF
Ah makes sense then. Those were dropping like flies a few months ago so it makes sense to suspect it. Of course you ended up being the one guy with a working i7 and a dead board. Sucks.

>>103166723
>DLSS

>>103166723
>DLSS

>>103166730
for the peace of mind, try running some live Linux distro from a pendrive and see if it works fine

>>103164770
Just get deepcool ak620 or peerless assassin/phantom spirit, ignore any noctua trash

I cannot find info about the koorui 24e3 response times at 60hz and 120hz only at max hz, which is good but I will cap my fps at 120hz anyway.
Alternative monitor that matches my criteria is XG2431 and there's info for everything on that one, it's 10/10 on every refresh rate and it also has as a bonus backstrobing that's good.
Should I pay a bit of a premium for the second one just to be sure I can have a pristine experience all the way up from 60 to 120hz?

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>>103166763
>>103166753
>>103166746
okay i get it please i cant handle this bullying

>>103166770
>using
>D
L
>S
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>>103166770
>DLSS

>>103165025
Do you have a modern susv?

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>>103166748
>Of course you ended up being the one guy with a working i7 and a dead board.
honestly par for the course at this point
some divine agent has beef with me and I don't know why

>>103166766
too late I'm afraid, my pc is with the micro center lads now
I'm sure they'll just replace it with an overpriced mobo and give me a tugjob but I'm liable to have an aneurysm if I keep fucking with it

>>103165158
Get atk 3.1, I think corsair's lowest is 750

>>103166670
The 4060 has the same performance as the 3060
It has less hardware than a 3060 but it's the new optimised software and hardware tech, making it more powerful with less
The end result is the 4060 is just a 3060
They've massively cut the price of 4060s for this reason and now the 4060 and 3060 cost about the same
They aren't exactly bad but it's just a puzzling sideways progression
They were very expensive on release for no justifiable reason which caused people to rage

What workstations tasks will you be using your PC for?

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Day 586 of waiting for next-gen GPUs. I think her game was bad, too, but she herself is extremely breedable.

I can save approx CAD$200 building an AM4 system with 5700X3D, prob save upwards to CAD$300 if I go aliexpress route
vs an AM5 system with 7700
whether I go AM4 or AM5 I'm not planning to upgrade CPU or whatever midway, I usually end up having to scrap the whole thing by the time I want to upgrade (prob AM6 either way)

Is this crazy? That's the difference that makes the choice to either
>7700 + 7800XT
or
>5700X3D + 7900XT

>>103166846
5700X3D and 7900XT is the better build there easy

>>103166726
I guess it would easily handle CAD programs, even with a 4K display?

>>103166821
3D and PCB CAD, programming, 8 year old minecraft modpacks without shaders. 60fps is fine for me.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w8BGXR

I live in the US and am looking to spend about 3k on a gaming PC without getting too far into exponential costs.

I've been frankensteining my current Theseus's PC for the last decade and have no idea what I'm doing. I was initially going to go RX 7900 XTX, but it has crept closer to price of the 4080 super

How far from reality am I?

>>103166797
one of the most annoying problems i've encountered in my troubleshooting "career" was a faulty sata -> molex adapter. one of the molex pins was badly clamped onto the secondary wire (leading to the next molex pin) and it would rarely disconnect during hard drive usage as it vibrates. since the primary wire was attached perfectly, you could pull on it and it would stay in place giving you the illusion that the pin is clamped on properly. of course the entire system would freak out, crash or stop responding but like once every week or so
so yeah, you sometimes have problems like this

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12900KS is on sale if anyone is locked into the 1700 socket and doesn't want to gamble on a 13th or 14th Gen.

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>>103166849
yeah for me, pic related bundle s CAD$400 so the mobo is basically free (that alone is ~$100-$150 savings) then the 7700 on its own is CAD$100+ more expensive

im still kinda torn since I already want the Lian Li A3 matx case, but guess ill have to size up to ATX dependingh on what other bundles i can get

>>103166902
have you thought about phoning them and seeing if they're willing to do an mATX mobo?

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How do they do it?

>>103166873
As I understand it the GPU acceleration in CAD is very light if present at all and of course a 3050 is far more than enough to drive a 4k monitor. On the other hand, it is really weak for 3D rendering so look elsewhere if you do a lot of that.

>8 year old minecraft modpacks without shaders
As a 1.7.10 enjoyer, great taste.

>>103166917
actually hold up im retarded, there are bundles for 7700X's (with mATX mobos) where the comparison shrinks the savings down so AM5

>>103166878
There's a lot of fat to trim but it's not bad either. With $3k I'd be seriously tempted to wait for the 5080 but let's not get in to that. Let me know if you'd like some help trimming the bloat.

>>103166878
>dual smaller nvme memes
>buying retail win11

>>103166960
nice desu, go for the 7700X then. you've got the 7800X3D and 9800X3D as in socket upgrades down the line

What does Power Design actually mean in relation to mother boards? I read an old ass article about it, and it was all greek to me.

>>103166684
Depends on how 9800x3d fares against milds, you might need more than 8 cores

>>103166991
power delivery to cpu and shit, pretty much if you run real real real shit boards and they skimped on the vrms higher power draw cpus wont even run at max advertised speeds and also run hot and reduce the life span of the mobo
we largely escaped this and mobo makers started putting retard tier overkill power on mobos instead, but some shit still exists check hardware unboxed mobos on b650 or whatever it was that performed like ass, or a620s or something
so unless you purposefully go super shit this will be avoided
but double check reviews if existing

>>103166971

Sure, I'd love some insight on how to cut some inefficiency.

>>103166971
>waiting for 4090 perf for 2 years
brutal

>>103166991
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/voltage_regulator_module
You need at least some background electronics knowledge to understand how it works in theory but all an end user really needs to know is that some boards can deliver more power to the CPU than others which is a consideration when building high-end.
FWIW, in the last 5 years or so the manufacturers have been really overbuilding the VRMs on their mid+high tier boards so you barely need to worry about it if you've got a decent budget. Just don't put an R9 into an A620 board.

Best I can find is 7900x3d and 96gb 6400 for 700usd should I just get that? Everything else is scalped

>>103167049
what about the non-X3D?

Asked yesterday, must ask again
What kind of telemetry would be added by installing the Nvidia app alongside telemetry stripped drivers (with NVCleanstall)?

I've decided that I'm just going to try and keep my current system going for a while longer. I was tempted to just put together a completely new rig, but barring a couple of things I haven't really run into much it can't run satisfactory yet. My current components are
>B450 tomahawk max
>16gb ram (2x8gb)
>R5 3600
>RX 6700 XT
>550W seasonic prime platinum
As you can see, I'm not really that up to date on hardware and I just used a cookie cutter build back then. The gpu wasn't my first choice, but I had to take what I could get from the drops back in 2021 because my old gpu died and the prices in stores were wack. But it's been totally fine so far.
I was thinking of adding some ram and upgrading the cpu and calling it a day. Couple of questions tho
- The 5700X3D is still the way to go?
- Is there any issue with the B450 tomahawk max combined with the 5700X3D, or is it good to go as is?
- Does the 5700X3D require more cooling than the R5 3600? Currently I have a ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports for cpu cooling, not sure if I can just slap that on it or if I'll need something beefier
- For RAM, can I add 2 more 8gb sticks, or should I just get a 2x 16gb kit instead? I know this questions has been asked time and again, but I tried googling it and there doesn't seem to be a clear-cut answer at first glance
I live in the benelux, if that matters much

>>103167073
Never had a x3d and want one found some used on marketplace might just take the plunge still cheaper than new

>For longest longevity, you may wish to protect your equipment with some power protection such as an uninterruptable power supply with power-surge/conditioning capabilities. That way, grid disruptions is less likely to disrupt your monitor.
what I need to buy to achieve this?

>>103167086
I mean 7900X3D is fine and performant but unless you need 12c the 7800X3D is better and the non X3D is better for many-core tasks due to higher clocks

>>103167084
>Is there any issue with the B450 tomahawk max combined with the 5700X3D
no
the tomahawk max is still a great board
>but I tried googling it and there doesn't seem to be a clear-cut answer at first glance
there is no clear-cut answer to your question
it might work, it might not work, by combining different kits you are getting into manual OC territory

>>103167102
Well I haven't found anything yet tempted just to buy a scalped 900aud posted 98x3d

>>103167099
A UPS. That's it. They literally tell you right in the sentence.

>>103167120
>700 AUD
completely different matter, for 96GB 6400 and that holy fuck that's a good deal

>>103167125
I have to google what an UPS is then, which is the cheapest one that's enough for a PC setup?

>>103167130
wait still USD, urgh might as well get it man you sound convinced

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I don't get it. Does this thing suck dick or is it actually good? Having only 1 PCI-E 5.0 slot is... okay, since I am only going to conceivably need that for a future GPU. I've always been foggy on how M.2's interact with lanes. I've been told that if you put more than two M.2's into even a very high end board with just a GPU it'll only run at x8 instead of x16.

>>103167020
Alright, here's an example without cutting anything too deep:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tyFmGJ
Most of the changes here are just basic efficiencies and price shopping.
If you don't need B650E/X870 (same shit) you could save another $50+ on the board (for a gaming rig you probably don't).
I'm also a little skeptical of paying $200 over MSRP for a 4080S but I owned a Gaming X 1660Super so I understand the impulse.

>>103167170
read the mobo manual and it will tell you what lanes each port uses

>>103167170
Only some boards do that. Best practice is always to RTM on any board you're interested in buying. In any case, x8 lanes of PCIe5 is still like 4x the bandwidth needs of any card on the market so it's unlikely to bite you.

>>103167139
It was 300usd off ali kek never had an issue with their ram found a 9800x3d in stock this week for 829aud shipped might as well get it hay

>>103167184
>>103167199
Oh, I just want to clarify, I am not actually going to put more than 2 M.2's into the build. I don't need that much fuckin' space on demand. 6 TB between two different drives is more than enough for me, and I can just dump the rest on externals if I need to. I am just confused as to why this thing isn't more expensive. People were hyping up the NOVA, but that only has one Gen5 slot for an M.2. and also only has one PCIe 5.0 slot with the rest being 3.0's and before they discounted it, the fuckin' thing was, what... 600 dollars? That's ASUS is gonna go be jagoffs and charge a billion dollars for some shit board, that goes without saying. It's just that this board in particular is cheaper than the rest and seems to be better in most ways according to the specs. Thus, I can only assume that it's so cheap because of under the hood shenanigans or part's quality being bad.

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>>103166983
yeah, it's a cheapo mobo too, but so was the 5700X3D mobo, pic related is the equivalent of US$350

just looking to see if this mobo is even decent (guess it just has to have enough VRMs for 65w-105w to not bottleneck since it's AMD anyways). I mean it's probably shit but for the price I dunno if I can complain provided it does not bottleneck

still gonna see how the cost of the 5700X3D + RAM bundle compares with a decent mobo , vs 7700 + decent mobo

is there a way to check if an ssd/m.2 drive has been used before? got one from ebay listed as new, but it looks like it has been open at least once/stickers missing from box

>>103163800
OP recommends G2412F but there's also a G2412 which one to get?

>>103167251
I don't know man there was a time, like 5 years ago lol, where paying over $100 for a motherboard was enthusiast/OC territory. $350 is probably on the upper end of things before they start jamming random shit in there to justify the halo pricing. The new Godlike had better have a hotdog chafer or something.

>>103167272
Use CrystalDiskInfo and check the power on time and the power cycle count amongst other stats

>>103167308
thanks. has 2 powers ons, 0 hours. so I should be good . ty anon

New bread?