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Previous Thread: >>103204581
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you gotta embody this mindset
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In the modern hiring environment, there are two options for new CS grads.
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>>103218701
>monday morning
>in an hour i'll be back on the helldesk
sometimes i miss being a NEET
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>>103218381
How do you guys tune out of your individualism and work these humiliating fucking jobs like hell desk? Am i supposed to take drugs to temporarily lower my iq or something? I am not going to do that
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>>103218728
If you're so smart and above such "humiliating" work then what are you doing there?
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Anyone else finding that it's a lot easier to negotiate with the economy in the shitters?
>anon, why do you want a 30% raise
>ah, the economy is bad, you know how it is
No one will think you are just being greedy. Meanwhile I'm sitting comfy.
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>>103218728
I've never worked helpdesk but when I've had to deal with shitty managers/coworkers/customers getting on my ass all the time, I remind myself that none of the problems I need to solve are real and if I quit tomorrow these people would effectively disappear from my life forever. It's like getting mad at a video game like CS - there's no point in getting mad because once you close the game it's all over, the game and your retarded teammates disappear.

It helps if you've quit a job before because the first time you wake up after your last day, you realize all those things that stressed you out for weeks/months/years are made up and gone forever. It also helps if you're not living paycheck to paycheck because you can remind yourself that you can quit any time you want and experience that freedom.
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>>103218856
That's the worst reason for raise I've ever heard
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>>103218845
this lol, I just get a better job when I realize the current one is below me
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>>103218856
You do realize that you are giving them a reason to not give you a raise, after asking them to give you a raise, no?
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>>103218653
its unfortunate
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Been working as a Data Engineer, python, for the last three years. How do I sell this as full developer experience on my CV and in interviews?
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>>103218728
Maybe you could use a little humiliation.
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>>103219133
lie
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>>103219189
I can't bend the truth to make my skills sound applicable?
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>>103219210
those are white lies
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>>103218381
You will never be a real programmer. You have no commits, you have no pull requests, you have no public repos. You are a low IQ brown man twisted by an unearned comp sci degree and coding bootcamps into a crude mockery of nature's perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and from bots. Behind your back people say you're a useless DEI hire. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “tech bros” laugh at you behind closed doors.

Real programmers are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of forum posts have allowed programmers to sniff out frauds with incredible effiency. Even devs who “pass” have no creative output and excessively verbose with AI generated tech buzzwords. Your GitHub profile is a dead giveaway, and even if you manage to score a 3 month internship at a tech company, they'll turn tail and bolt the second they see that you haven't completed any non school related projects.

You will never be happy. You cope by saying that your bullshit software is using a "proprietary test framework" so you can't open source it, but deep down you know it's because you don't want people to see your incompetence where all you did was update the readme over and over, and that the core of your software is an open source project which you're shamelessly profiting off.

Eventually it will be too much to bear. You'll buy a google gift card, a spoofed business phone number, and start scamming old people into redeeming.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
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bros the RTO mandate for Amazon is still a month and a half away but traffic has gotten so bad already here in Seattle :(
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>>103219190
Meds
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>>103219322
>meds
\o/ our saviour, the pharma industry!!!1
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>>103219324
>power of USD and bump up Crypto.
back to /biz/ foul creature.
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>DUDE JUST WAGECÜCK FOR 50 YEARS LMAO
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leetcode is an iq filter.
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>>103219214
Sure, I meant how do I sell my experience? I'm not sure what sort of thing they'd want to hear.
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>>103219258
Traffic has become insufferable the past 3 months
The price hikes on fastrak is fucking insane, shit is up 300% during rush hour and there's still traffic inside of it
If it wasn't so depressing i would have found it funny that Amazon's RTO mandate was the one that kicked off every other fucking business in this miserable country to force RTO, but it hasn't even fully kicked in yet for them yet
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>>103218381
What a stupid example. Zoomers don't play Minecraft, they HATE everything that is even slightly creative. They only want the latest microtransaction slop. The average age of Minecraft players is above 25 now.
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>>103219258
>>103219415
just take public transit bro
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so if genz sucks why can’t I get a job
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>>103219233
What the fuck did you just say about me, you little script kiddie? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in Computer Science, and I’ve optimized numerous systems while you were stuck trying to fix a syntax error, and I have over 300 successfully deployed apps. I am trained in full-stack development and I'm the top coder in the entire dev ops community. You are nothing to me but just another bug. I will wipe your program off the network with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can just throw that spaghetti code on GitHub and get away with it? Think again, noob. As we speak, I’m running a trace on your IP, patching into your system logs, and your entire codebase is being analyzed in real-time, so you better prepare for the reboot of your miserable setup, you little subroutine.

The network storm that's coming for you will make sure your framework crashes in the blink of an eye. You're 404, kid. I can terminate your processes remotely, anytime, and I know over seven hundred ways to break your code, and that's just with basic commands. Not only am I extensively trained in reverse engineering, but I have access to the entire repository of advanced algorithms and system-level scripts. I will execute them with flawless precision, leaving your pathetic infrastructure a smoldering heap of corrupted data. If only you knew what unholy exception your “clever” commit was about to cause, maybe you would've deleted your repo. But you didn't, and now you’re paying the price, you digital dodo. I will flood your logs with errors so catastrophic, your system will crash in despair. You’re dead in the codebase, kiddo.
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>>103219133
python has a test framework, use it and get code coverage to report how much of your code is tested, now you have qa xp
run a script that runs these tests every hour, now you're devops
run gemnasium on your requirements.txt and get cves, now you're cybersec
document all of it (use AI to help), now you can say you have technical writing xp

point is, enhance what you do now with practices that may be overkill and you'll have less trouble punching up that cv
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>>103219415
Enjoy the hustle and bustle bro. You're a big city hyper elite.
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how can I figure out the pay range for the job I currently have
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>>103218381
>[generation] DOESNT KNOW HOW TO USE A COMPUTER AIEEEEEEEEEEEE
no one knows how to use a computer. there is no generation that is overall more equipped to use a computer solely by being born in that generation.
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>>103219403
leetcode is a test of your google-fu to look up the answers
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>>103219689
that's why we're going back to whiteboard interviews in person. can't cheat on those
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I have a question for /twg/, if anyone can waste the energy to rate my plan for what to do with my next 60+ years then it'd be appreciated
>Be me, 19 year old going on 20, in leafland, non-GTA - western city
>Certs for IT, which are basically the standard to prove that you Know What You're Talking About(tm), are financially very affordable. Worst case scenario, the local technical college offers $80k-total tuition to a variety of computer-related fields
>Best case scenario, can dump $300 immediately into training to do work in the technology field.
>Best-case scenario plan would be to do private practice being an all-sorts type for when inevitably hundreds of guys all my age go into doing private practice in their own right under the trades (as my generation here has embraced the tradiepill) for an affordable price with the benefit of being a homebody (those types of politicks are increasingly important here)
>also there's like a 4-6% chance of mass indian deportation or otherwise exodus, meaning tech field would open up significantly and i would be in prime position to bear fruit from this
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>>103219258
NO ANON YOU NEEEEEEEEED A DRIVERS LICENSE AND AN F-150E AND TO SIT IN TRAFFIC FOR 23 HOURS A DAY
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For real tho. Defense jobs and Aerospace are the way to go for WFH jobs with junior level requirements. You just need to not have a history that will disqualify you for security clearance. Polygraph and getting interviewed by spooks is way easier than code interviews.
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>>103219759
>Defense jobs and Aerospace are the way to go for WFH jobs
I don't want to have to bring a Hellfire missile into my home just to do work
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Sometimes I want to get fired, because that might actually motivate to advance in my career. I just don't like devops anymore.
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>>103219716
there are no entry level or "generalist" tech jobs east of the NCR, even BC is pretty light on it despite having a lot of finance and media

no one actually cares about A+/Net+/etc and other 300$ certs, they are about as useful

"private practice" in IT has been a meme for 20 years, no one hires local IT guys anymore

there is zero chance JUSTE UN TROU DEAU wont get his million jeet promise fulfilled; even if the fucking CPC gets in, canadian government is so ponderous that it will happen if the legal infra is in place. the best we can hope for is the 1% chance that trump makes good on his promise for free green cards for "masters" but all that means is we will have the even dumber jeets who couldn't even pass a degree mill course

best option if you want to make money in canada is figure out what the next Meme Rifle will be, buy a shipping container of them, and re-sell them at a profit when they inevitably get banned but have a grandfathering period (like what happened with ARs)

>>103219771
hellfires are air-launched. do you live in a plane, anon?
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>>103219651
is google broken?
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>>103219671
you know what I think Millennials might be more equipped to use a computer than whatever generation someone from 500 B.C is in
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>>103219640
i live in the suburbs and work in a business park
i would pay 4k/m to live in the city if it meant work was just 2 miles away
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>>103219794
nah. people in 500BC believed in magic so if you hand them a tablet and say "just tap it, it just werks" they'll learn it and maybe ask "Did jehuty do this? he's always been our nigga when it comes to accounting and engineering. this thing rules!!"
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>>103219759
If you work there long enough do you glow?
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>>103219783
I mean I'd like to know at my company specifically, not industry wide. I heard something about a new pay transparency law, but couldn't find anything online that seemed to be what I was thinking of. I'd like to know, for example, the upper and lower for senior devs at my exact company
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>>103219759
defence jobs are a meme because it's 100% an old boys club. if you aren't either Doug Winger's personal houseboy or are ex-military from a technician trade, you're ngmi.
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>>103219834
>>103219651
Bro? Literally just hack the HR software and look at salaries? You are a Full Stack IT Analyst you should be able to do this
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>>103219778
>hellfires are air-launched. do you live in a plane, anon?
I used to be a defense contractor. I didn't work directly on missiles myself, but visited facilities where they worked on guidance systems. They had inert missiles on the workbenches connected to laptops.
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>>103219803
*were just 2 miles away
hypothetical, subjunctive mood
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>tfw Monday and work from home
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>>103219834
your exact company doesn't matter, businesses don't work in a vacuum
industry standard pay
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>>103219759
>defense
>wfh
you have a SCIF in your house?
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>>103219854
actually based. though i cant imagine you would physically take one home. even in normal mundane EE jobs, you don't take the gear home to work on it even if you're remote, the test bench is just set up and you can remote into that. even in school your "homework" for labs is "schlep in to sign into the lab because lol if you think you're taking the 60s microprocessor burner home"
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>>103218861
Yep. Retards act like their job is a marriage. It's not, It's a $16/hr helldesk gig.
You can just not go in to work tomorrow. You'll get two calls that you don't even have to answer and a week later both you and your employers will have stopped thinking about each other at all.
All you need is a couple months worth of money to live on while you find a new job. That, or the humility to work at 7-11 for a bit.
Probably why big companies like h1bs so much, since they're basically slaves.
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>>103218381
you goys ready for monday?
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>>103219875
interestingly, in canada during covid it was a Big Fucking Deal to let gubberment admin rats work from home, because 99% of the stuff they touch is "protected"; we had Teams but that was only good for stuff either unmarked or specifically Unclassified, so everyone who actually did stuff on a computer got issued a computer preloaded with a proper workstation image and had to connect through a VPN.

more tech-savvy people complained about having 900 pounds of computer equipment to take home that they arent even allowed to connect their own peripherals to despite the objectively non-classifed (but not unclassified) nature of their jobs.

people did finally just ask "I have a nice set-up for my personal computer; can I hook up my super speshul gubberment laptop to a KVM or do I have to reach back there every morning to disconnect everything, set up my laptop, then hook up my gaymer rig at 4pm??" and the initial answer was, "by black-on-white in long standing documents, no. absolutely fucking not. but we're gonna have a look because that's fucking stupid."

that will sound insane to US people who have dealt with that kind of thing because US SCIFs do have KVMs to separate unclassified and classified processing, but Canada is a little more stringent. it's just a thing. bear with me here.

but because it was such an oft-asked question and such an obvious solution, the powers that be who define what an "SCIF" is eventually relented and said "Yes, you can use a KVM for processing data up to Protected B, but only one from one of these 'reputable manufacturers' and here's a form for you to declare that you're doing that; we are not changing NDSODs because this is a minor incremental change but the Act we're saying this in supercedes it in accordance with the preamble of NDSODs"

>>103219957
i dont work mondays. i could if i wanted but i dont
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>new grad no internships
existing sure is fun
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>>103219957
I'm resigning tomorrow, can't wait
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>>103219975
why would you do that to yourself
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>>103219778
>no one actually cares about A+/Net+/etc and other 300$ certs, they are about as useful
so like, they literally are just a waste of money?
>etc.
I do need to ask if you are personally tuned in to the local markets here or nah? Also a lot of what I say is based on ponderous speculation, especially to, once again, local markets. It's really hedging on the unique situation of where I specifically live lmfao
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>>103219957
only have to work monday and friday this week
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>>103219975
ngmi
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>>103219864
>11/15 large chunk of stock vests
>wfh
>whole week of thanksgiving off
>2 weeks off for Christmas
>chunk of stock vests 2/15
>large bonus vests 3/15
feeling pretty goddamn comfy atm
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>>103219133
>python
>data engineer
>python
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>103219610
Ty
>>103220054
I know, but it was that or nothing.
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>>103220007
>comptia
they aren't a waste of money in that they still get you past HR filters, but the actual course content is so entry level that you already know most of it if you're clever enough to find /g/ and have ever assembled your own computer. it's only truly relevant in absolutely satanic min wage hell desk positions where, in complete honesty, you are literally better off working at McDos

>etc
I am canadian and tried to be a Local IT Guy, that's about it. the main roadblocks I ran into are that very small companies (like Cho-Sung "Jeong-Paul" Pinoy's 40 seat swinger bar) mostly have standing service contracts for most of their computer gear, and anywhere middling or higher (smaller local franchise chains) all mostly either have their own dedicated IT department or at least a contract with an MSP. You're left with individual users who both have no sense of scale for how much your services are worth yet are willing to just outright replace devices or services at full cost when they fail.

> where I specifically live
if you're not totally delusional and live in Manitoba thinking computers have been invented there yet, I'm guessing Alberta, or Sask willing to move to Alberta. Even in Alberta, most of the tech jobs are in support of primary industry -- in-house IT for mines and loggers and shit. You have two objectively tiny cities with telecomms costs acceptable to private consumers but not low enough to make big corps willing to move in to save money on that.

If you are from the interior, good with computers, and have enough IQ to understand electronics in general, I'd try to get into infra work for primary industry. They still have trunked radios and mesh wifi to keep the John Deere renewing its licenses, at least.
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>>103219988
>do that to yourself
mostly due to circumstances out of my control, but i can still figure something out
>>103220024
aint giving up yet
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Anons, I just got permission from a friend of mine to use him as a reference for my resume. He used to work for Company X, now he works for Company Y. I am applying to company X via a connection who currently works there.
How should I present him on my resume in the references section?
Should I put

Anon's Friend
(Former) Software Developer, Company X
anons.friend@companyy.com

Or should I just put his current job?

>>103218381
I'm a zoomer and I learned a lot about networking and client/server architecture by setting up a minecraft server when I was like 12.
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>>103220149
ask the friend to literally ask his bosses if they need someone and have them turn in the resume on your behalf

unironically

most companies have referral programs now and it's expected the currently-serving worker will submit the resume for you
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>>103220054
i thought python was good for data science. i think the data people at my company almost exclusively use sql though, like they are retard tier unable to program anything in python
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>>103220113
>>103220007
>>103219778
>>103219716
btw
>lil bro literally lives in the canadian interior
join the army and slay some pussy faggot it's half fucking price
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>>103220179
It is, however, the average tech fag thinks that their 20 line python script that parses a spreadsheet earns them the title of data engineer, and it's like 99% of python fags who think like this.
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>>103220160
I have another friend who does currently work there who will submit the resume there for me. He is also on the resume as a reference.
The friend I was describing in the post no longer works there.
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>>103220221
oh. ok. then just do that. if they ask for further references AND your friend left on good terms, only drop his name then. references are a kinda outdated concept; it's all either direct referrals or they dont even bother asking around about you when they can just google you
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how do i leverage my military experience into finding professional and spiritual fulfillment within 25m of a computer
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is it possible to convince companies that college ta jobs are actually internships and how do i do it
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>>103220149
It's beautiful
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>>103220149
i'd probably explain that shit in a cover letter and not put references in a resume at all to begin with.
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>>103220216
>script
Why would you create scripts rather than an application?
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>>103219759
even non clearance jobs are legit. Getting actual training, and offers to pay for school are pretty damn nice.
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>>103219838
it's just boomers anon, they aren't that scary. We even have a few kamala voters in the lab, nobody really cares.
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>>103219759
would be cool if they didnt ghost me whenever i applied to them
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>>103220326
It's less that and more that every time I see a job at Weir or something, they demand experience on the CSC platform.

You know, the one that literally has not been laid yet and no examples of exist in the real world.

If you thought "oh lol 10 years figma experience" was funny, there are actual job postings at places like Davies or CAE that quite literally demand experience with platforms that do not even yet exist.
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>>103220351
lol just lie? how would they know?
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How do I tell my boss I didn't do anything last week because I was busy playing もんむす・くえすと?
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>>103220304
That's my point. A 20 line script isn't even a full fledged application, yet these retards think that this is all it takes to call themselves "data engineers".
>be me
>meet CISCO director
>he immediately brags about how amazing he is at programming, despite having no github and zero evidence of programming knowledge
>decides to show off by writing a 20 line python script
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>>103220359
my japanese sucks and i refuse to look this up. Montsusu kotsuto?
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>>103220389
monster girl quest
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>>103220389
he probably means mgq (its a hentai game with mongirls)
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>>103220422
>>103220425
oh. ok. i was racking my brain for a porn game named "monster [something]" and thought maybe it was so innocent as to be monhun

i keep forgetting mgq exists
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>>103220209
>furfag responded
lmfao im that anon from a few threads ago who actually dated an NCO in the army XD
and no.
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>>103220453
I don't exactly keep dossiers on random 4chan posters like the rest of /vg/ does, you're going to have to fill me in if you want me to get hype even if I was involved in an incident
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>>103220113
>
If you are from the interior, good with computers, and have enough IQ to understand electronics in general, I'd try to get into infra work for primary industry. They still have trunked radios and mesh wifi to keep the John Deere renewing its licenses, at least.
alright, and how would you recommend going about that
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bros how do i get into HFT firms a a SWE with a few years of experience?
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>>103220468
P25 is a semi-open standard, but if you don't get radioman and/or radio maintenance experience through the military or police, you may need to take some kind of class.

These companies don't hire radiomen so the pipeline really would be to either go to school for EE and specialize in high speed signal processing and radio modulation and end up working at a Motorola repair house soldering handsets together for 11.75/h, or get your CCENT to set up mesh wifi boxes.
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>>103220369
That's an awful lot of assumptions you've made about him.
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>>103220369
honestly if he can write 20 lines off the cuff to fulfill a specific objective, it compiles, and it doesn't have to dial to 90000 microservices to do it, that's pretty good these days.
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>>103219759
I work in aerospace and have friends in other aerospace companies and this is a fucking lie
WFH and even 9/80 are being heavily cut and practically downright abolished in the practical sense
Every all hands some faggot in a suit with an HR smile keeps announcing that they're restricting or taking something away
Fed up with this shit
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I worked for a little over 3 hours today. I think that's a fair. I wish I didn't have to work the weekend, but things are getting pretty stressful/busy at work.
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Tonight I am going to drink a bottle of rum and get incredibly upset at the absolute state of the commercial venture (I am loathe to call it an "industry") I'm in, how it's going, my place in it, that there even is a place in it for me and how hard it is to find, and even the little annoyances in day-to-day operations in the weird fucked-up career I find myself in.

While listening to weird interviews of people who have had civilian casualty incidents, and others who are just medics spinning wheels not medic-ing, I'm even lower than those people, yet I'm closer to them than I am to cyber ops bullshiters. Where I work, yeah, I don't do much, the chances of me firing a shot in anger are basically zero, and my chances of saving a life are even lower. But it's a place where you do nothing for anyone, nothing you do makes anyone happy; not in the sense of "it's never good enough" but the mission itself has no objective. I look for jobs in the private sector, and it looks largely the same. There is no reason for this to exist. The jobs do not appear to do anything useful.

Even then, I'm not *actually* an IT guy; I am fundamentally and legally a radioman. I just do IT shit as a secondary duty. Even when I was the primary guy, it was a secondary duty to my trade and all the random training of juniors was about that and the actually "important" aspects of being the primary IT guy are often in support of the other radiomen.

I hate this. Where I work, I'm a computer-toucher, and I don't hate that. It's fun sometimes. Not like "I go in boats" fun but like "AD is neat" fun. I hate everything around it. I hate that it has to exist. I hate that it exists, has to exist, and yet doesn't accomplish any of the basic objectives associated with its existence. If you're an IT guy, you help people use computers to do their job better. That doesn't happen. All we do is increase complexity, create more organizational inertia to be sidestepped, and issue people equipment they don't want.
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Yes thank you manager, yes absolutely I'll be sure to do that next time
Yes, yes thank you that's definitely something I can improve upon
Feedback for you? Well I just really appreciate your support, yes thank you
Yes I'll be sure to add those new goals to my catch-up form for next time, thank you
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>>103220507
It was a parser for a spreadsheet of names. All it did was get the first name of every person in a column. What did you assume he made?

>>103220537
YWNBAP
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>>103220742
>"AD is neat"
You have never experienced depression.
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>>103218728
I haven't even gotten an interview in a year, I'd fucking kill for a humiliating hell desk job
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>>103220764
I meant for the guy in thread you were mocking; I agree about your boss, if you don't know git you're a drooling retard.
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The only thing I am proud about in my job is that I can endure my job.

And even then, that's not hard, marines exist. I bet I could train a marine to do my job in like, two days. Assuming he can read. But even then, my core job is a LOT of shitty free-hand drawings, you can do that in crayon and they're all a LOT less complex than section attacks
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tomorrow's my first day of working after college. What am I in for?
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>>103220825
welcome to the real world child
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what dο you call a position that exists solely to be the liaison between the end users of a business application and the in-house programmers that maintain the application?
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>>103220840
liaison
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>>103220840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcIMIyQnOso

"requirements gathering" as a task but idk the position name
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>>103220840
marketing
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What's gonna happen if I start taking unpaid vacations
Just save money for two months and take a week off
What are they gonna do? Fire me?
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>>103220852
this is my literal job and that scene always makes me nervous
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>>103220870
the first time i watched this movie all at once in one sitting was on a plane to victoria for "training" after I got trades qualified

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTdOHBIppx8

then i spent several years on the ships, deploying, doing little just-offshore stuff, and I don't know how accurate it still is for people actually working in real jobs, but for me, it was like that. You spin your wheels working on stuff that doesn't matter, for people who don't matter, reporting to people who don't matter, doing stuff that doesn't matter. and let me tell you: the only thing that staved off outright suicide was some old saying I heard, and I don't remember the eact text, but in a military lens it became my preferred
>It's the enemy's job to kill you; there is no sense working for free
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>>103220825
probably some gay trainings and setting up your laptop or whatever
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>>103219856
>>>/int/brit
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>>103220840
you ever heard of a Business Analyst
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>lead engineer on a product / system NONE of my bosses understand even remotely
This shit is fucking miserable. I have project managers as well, that also have no fucking clue what I actually do or what the product actually is, and I'm constantly explaining myself to my bosses and the PMs who are all either 1) tech illiterate or 2) boomers who haven't touched any new tech in at least 15 years and have just been in management.

The worst part is, they get extremely defensive over their lack of understanding and me having to correct them constantly. Always get stressed the fuck out on Mondays, because I have to meet with these tards.
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>>103220915
that's a very vague term that could mean anything
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>>103218381
your image reminds me of a video i saw of some 15 year olds from 10 years ago where someone said "take a screenshot!" and the other replied "how?".
can only imagine how bad it is today.

the phone generation not only get shorter attention spans but are also locked in a system that don't allow you to experiment with things nor does it have a good interface to do so if you were even able to.
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>>103220931
not really no
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>>103220937
business analyst could easy be someone that looks at productivity and KPIs and never touches code
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>>103220945
who said anything about touching code?
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>>103220926
I have an idea, can we make this go faster somehow? And with less bugs. Let's make sure we have full end-to-end test coverage over all the possible edge cases.
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>>103220840
in my company we call those solutions engineer
basically the guy who actually knows how shit works and sits on client meetings with customer success (CS)
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>>103220369
Sounds like the average Cisco employee to me
>t. Ciscofag with a manager like this
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>>103220953
I meant looking at code or at least pseudocode
>>103220964
can you be a "solutions engineer" without having an engineering license?
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>>103220840
my product manager is such a chill bro but man he really has no idea how tf people use our product in the field just like me
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>>103220983
>an engineering license?
what did he mean by this
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>>103220961
+AI
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>>103220989
I thought there was a test that engineers had to take, like a "Professional Engineers Exam"...
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>>103220983
>engineering license
wtf is an engineering license?
Im starting to think this thread is just college freshmen and no one here actually has a job
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I'm kind of desperate to get another roommate to fill the 2b2ba apartment I live in since I've been covering the full rent myself the last few months. I'm considering a poojeeta indian girl who is visiting next week to see the room. Wonder if this will be a mistake or not
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>>103220961
More like, and this was actually a conversation I had last week.
>Hey anon, think we can deploy this to the company at the start of December, instead of February?
>me: Our project plan has it due in February for pretty good reason, it'll need weeks worth of testing with various groups of users throughout the company and were not even ready to have users test it, and January is in 2 weeks.
>yeah.... we'd really just like to see it sooner rather than later
>me: should have objected to the timeline then, we have a ton of other shit planned thats a higher prio to get done, this will be delivered on schedule unless you can justify dropping XYZ in favor of it (he can't)
>Uhhh... well, we just need this done

I then just sat there and stared at him blankly, not saying a word and he said he'd go talk to our teams PM. The changes he wants could legitimately cripple the company if we're not meticulous with it, and work hasn't even started on it yet.
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What makes me the most miserable is things can be better. There's tons of techbros embracing satcoms, and parachuted-in(figurative) people who think only the lowest tech solutions are possible. It is not the case.

What would make it all better is sitting down, engaging every department --not just the IT guys, and not just the "profit generators" but everyone-- gathering requirements, seeing what's available, and being willing to admit "we are not going to fix it soon, but we are going to work on it" and doing so earnestly, honestly, and engaging physical engineers (elec/mech)

This happens to me all the time, but like one time, I was sailing, and other units noticed that I specifically was always quiet. I speak normally into the big red telly. My first inclination was to have my boss observe me work. He said I do speak quietly, but don't whisper or anything, so maybe i should just yell. I thought, no, that's not it. I have seen the other operators work and they don't just yell. Is it a me issue, or is it something else? Being a retarded nigger, I assumed it was an equipment issue. I traced everything, traded out parts, engaged our local CSE guy for it, pretty much everything I could do "locally" found no issue. For ages, my boss just said that when I'm on watch listen louder, cuz its just dat nigger

It ended up that during refit, it was found that our UHF antennae were literally held on with duct tape and the electrical connections were compromised. I reviewed the tactical logs during my employment there and found a roughly equal number of "unnecessary" radio checks and demands for repetition to my own shifts. but for me it is always like this

>>103220989
kiss the ring
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer's_Ring
one of my buddies had one, up here the "standard" is faceted and because making a ring with circular facets is hard enough to demonstrate mastery and if someone's is fucked up you know that they arent even a bad engineer, they got it off a jig
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>>103221001
It's something that actual engineers can get, not for fake software """"engineers""""
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>>103221001
I do have a job but it's as an analyst and application manager so I don't ever look at code unless I'm doing some excel stuff
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>>103221023
sorry grandad you're about 50 years too late for that argument
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i get top shot every time, jobs in tech i can get where that matters?
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>>103221019
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer's_Ring
god that shit is cringe
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>>103221052
it is but back in the day you'd make your own. you don't get issued an engineer's ring; having a ring so fine and well made out of something not as soft as gold or silver is a mark of a good machinist.
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>>103219864
I have to visit my fundamentalist christian family for Thanksgiving and I haven't seen them in 5 years. I haven't had time off in like 4-5 months apart from federal holidays and I wanna kms
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>>103221057
being an engineer has nothing to do with being a machinist
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>>103221068
bro you turned me to dust fr fr

even only 10 or 20 years ago, mechanical engineers were expected to know how a part they want made would be made, and they might have made such a thing once or twice. they aren't red seal machinists, but they can operate a lathe.

but all this is sorta like black belts and red seals -- both of those literally only mean "Demonstrable mastery of all basic techniques." The important part is "all". But these days, they assume that if you're a red seal plasma welder you can build a 3d printer from scratch. worse yet, they think it means you're some zen master of all things ever--- they expect red seal chefs to be master bakers, and red seal bakers to be master chefs.

That's what happens when hiring in every trade is run by WASP karens who think that their 3-year "HR" course (that they failed 3 times over a crack addiction) makes them qualified to gatekeep literally every trade ever
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>>103221052
It comes with like a "pledge" too that people get framed and put in their cubicles. It's absolutely peak reddit but that's what going through an engineering program is, it's like being forced to browse reddit for 4 years.
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>>103221097
This is a typical tradefag retard who doesn't understand what an engineer does.
Tradies do this weird thing where they think engineer = ultimate master tradesman.
That's not how it works. Being an engineer is closer to being a lawyer than a tradesman.
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>>103221101
>It comes with like a "pledge" too
Don't sign off on projects that will kill people. Such an oath.
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>>103218381
I'm 25 without a degree and even if I go back to college I'll be 30 when I get my degree and will take another 5 years after that to get a nonshit job

any way to catch up with everyone my age fast and quick? can I work and study at the same time so that when I'm 30 I have a degree AND a good job? I DON'T want to be in the same position as a 22 year old graduate at 30. If I don't get that by 30 I'll kill myself.
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the thing is, engineers (MechE, EE, CivE, etc) actually believe all that bullshit
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>>103221113
>Tradies do this weird thing where they think engineer = ultimate master tradesman.
That's what I'm saying. Being red sealed doesn't mean a lot, and gauging competence depends on little things.
Back in the day, if you machined your own ring, that means you can safely operate a complete series of machine tools and make something at least presentable. That is the purpose of the modern Engineering Ring. It could be an ugly ring, it could even still have tool marks and other blemishes, but by god you made it yourself, so you're ready for this entry level millwright position in bumblefuck manitoba.
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>>103221115
>Don't sign off on projects that will kill people.
Easier said than done.
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what's with 20 year olds and "if I don't get X by 30 then I'm gonna kms"
it's a common yet arbitrary age
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>>103221122
also I hate being around 18 year olds college brats. can I go through college without talking to ANYONE AT ALL? HOW DO I COPE WITH BEING THE OLDEST IN THE CLASS? HOW CAN I STUDY IN COLLEGE WITHOUT BEING DEMORALIZED AND BROKEN THAT I'M IN THE SAME FUCKING POSITION AS A FUCKING 18 YEAR OLD! I DON'T WANT TO BE A FRESHMAN I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE MY FUCKING MASTER'S RIGHT NOW
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>>103221139
zoomers
I'm turning 30 month and am finally getting my first non-entry level job in 2 weeks
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>>103221122
You already know what you have to do, but you don't want to do it. That's why you're asking stupid questions here instead of becoming skilled and credentialed.
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>>103221139
Lack of life experience + too much social media
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>>103221139
EVERYONE HAS THEIR FUCKING LIFE SET BY 30 YOU PIECE OF SHIT COCKSUCKING ASSHOLE. I FUCKING HATE ASSHOLES LIKE YOU PUSHING TOXIC POSITIVITY. I JUST WANT A FUCKING FAMILY AND A HOUSE BY 30 AND I ONLY HAVE 5 YEARS LEFT. THAT'S A DEGREE, A DECENT, JOB, WIFE, AND CHILDREN ALL IN 5 YEARS' TIME. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH STRESS FULL THAT IS???????????????????????
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>>103221139
humans like nice numbers
30's the first nice number age where you're expected to have your shit together
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>>103221122
I went to college for real at 26 and I was just top of class in every class because it's too easy to compete with 18y olds whose brains arent fully developed
sure you're older but you cant change that so just focus on what you can
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>>103221163
what the FUCK do I FUCKING DO? HOW DO I GET A DEGREE, FANCY JOB, WIFE AND KIDS, GOOD HOUSE ALL BY FUCKING 30? I WANT TO CATCH UP WITH EVERYONE MY AGE BY 30
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>>103221129
>Easier said than done.
I was trying to think of any fun stories, but i couldn't. I should start sitting in on meetings at the unit and using that line.

Don't sign off on projects that will kill people.

>>103221139
you're 18 then you go to college, and are expected to leave at 21 or 22, so that's sorta the "you're an adult now" age. you should have your shit together in short order, and 30 is a nice round number and a long way away. a decade sounds like a long time when you're that young and 30 is a nice round number, so yeah, it seems perfectly reasonably if you are a literal child not done growing yet who has done no research into job markets or typical lifestyles.
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>>103221183
I want my life to be fully set by 30
> whose brains arent fully developed
am I really more mature than 18 year olds because of age number? I can't tell apart my life as a 12 year old and as a 25 year old. is adulthood even real?
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>>103221019
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer's_Ring
Kino
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>tfw graduated in CS but hate programming
How do I cope? just go to grad school for something useful like Accounting?
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>>103221195
I am 36 and I now have enough distance to evaluate myself at younger ages in a neutral manner.
I can now conclude that I was indeed retarded, while simultaneously acknowledging that my motivations at the time made sense.
So it's not really that I was wrong, more that I was being helplessly spun around in a system of evolving priorities.
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>>103221184
I'm over 30 and I'm single, don't have a glamorous job, don't own property, and even among coworkers I have the least debt and arguably one of the less insane lives to lead. And I'm sure you've seen my posting.

If you are simply OK, you're doing fine.
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Lmao this is the ceremony for getting your ring.
Peak cringe.
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>>103221206
>get a degree in something you hate
>stick with it for 4 entire years without changing degrees (which is piss easy since the first 2 years are almost entirely core classes that are needed for every major)
braindead
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>>103221221
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Sword_(United_States)

It could be a lot worse
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>>103221222
I took all my core classes and took CS and Math classes at the same time. I realized I was too dumb for Math so concentrated on CS but by the time I was at the 300 classes, I realized I hated programming.
I literally just took the "project manager" role in group projects and outlined pseudocode and let my pajeets fren do all the coding
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>>103221227
>>103221209
>>103221188
>>103221097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8pc5rP-8k
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>>103221227
holy fucking shit
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>>103221247
in practice, the criginess of the sword you get is directly proportional to how much your underlings hate you. That's a normal-ish mall claymore with some engraving; that person probably laid in the cut doing their job properly and got a nice 150$ wallhanger out of it.

Supposedly, the pics of anime swords and shit are NCMs who hate their command getting the cringiest thing possible, since it's not a "real" award in that it's not paid for by the country; the actual sword is a gift. so they get them cringey anime mall swords to dunk on them, while respected commands at least get the Home Depot Claymore
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>>103221272
Bro it's the inscription at the bottom
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>>103221283
in most english-speaking forces, "warrior" is a phrase bandied about. don't worry about it.

though
>to a warrior from warriors
again, the actual sword you get isn't like a medal where the country has one made for you -- the literal sword you get is bought from funds provided by the members of your unit. thats why you get a shitty anime sword designed to get memed on if you're a shitty CO, but if you're well liked they at least get you a good-looking mall katana.
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tech jobs i can get if the only mantra i can remember from my last real job is
>You have the inherent right to use any level of force up to and including lethal force in self defence to protect yourself, your shipmates, and the ship
and had the prescience to take a natural language "and" as a logical "or"
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>>103221184
>I WANT TO CATCH UP
Then do it. You can start by getting off of 4chan.
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>>103221329
Stolen valor detected. Real ROE means if brown people shoot at you you can't shoot back.
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the "apply to jobs much higher pay grade than you currently are" actually works bros
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>>103221227
By the power of greyskull!
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>>103219716
i got nothing for ya bud but i wish you the best of luck
lots of love from down under
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>>103221330
what's the fast way? I want to do things quick
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>>103221304
Where do you have to fall on that chart for a suicide referral?
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>>103221184
I think you're going to need to travel back in time about 60 years if you want all that at 30.
Or 20 years and buy BTC I guess.
You'll get a "wife" that way but if you want a real wife you need to have her by the time you're 20. Sorry, can't pair bond for life if you meet when your life is halfway over.
Either way your best bet is to go all in and spend the rest of your life studying temporal manipulation.
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how many of (You) are like this?
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>>103221487
...yh
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actaully, one thing i got incredibly upset at once, I very recently had a gaggle of reservists under my wing, to do force protection exercising. I don't know how it happened, but for training purposes I was made Force Protection Officer for a few minutes, and had to lead two disparate fireteams, have no loader, I had no threat assessment briefing, but here I am in charge of basically six kids -- a larger team than normal and you'd have a commander in hcarge of two teams of two and a plus one ammo ferry-er; and there I was on the bridge of an empty warship (hey, our unit is right next to the dockyard, if anything it's stranger that they don't have our bosns and mesos cover their watches) and even after all that --

whatever. I'm the IT guy and sailed once. I can train people.

The fire structure was fucked up, we had divers doing their own thing so it was a constant "Are they playing our game or just fucking about in the camber for their own objectives?" and even that aside, in the few cases where it was clear "the dive people are playing opfor; operate" even when I was directing my people to do anything, it didn't work.

I fondly remember telling an HR clerk but maintaining a nice guy smile, "You are holding a rifle. There are people who should not be here. They are coming; this is a training day.

And she was like "oh but im so nice i cant...."

YOU ARE HOLDING A RIFLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT BE HERE. I EXPECT YOU TO ENGAGE.

Is it me? Am I just that bad at training? I can understand not being listened to about how to use a computer, but if it's an nice day in town and all someone expects is for you to yell, can't you do that?
Though, desu, I'm not a violent person; I've gotten notes about lack of aggression before. But that's like, I'm on force protection myself and not willing to open a firefight. Most of my range notes are shit like "doesn't press" "weird stance" "slave to cover"

>>103221416
It's canada so hard green and MAID is waiting
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>>103221505
Yeah?
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even at basic --probably the first time i learned that truly no one will listen to me-- I tried to lead a small contingent through the forest, and my boys assigned to me ran off into the woods to do a bunch of nonsense.

Another time, still hating to bring up basic stories, but we were working a checkpoint, but i was radioman and head that there was a hostage situation at the FOB; I was like "I have a shot from up the hill -AND- that's my boy" and got radio silence.

Or walking out, I had control of our little group a the end of our exercise and I was like "it's basic, they're gonna pull some shit this is all a game its absolutely gonna happnen" and then flares go off, pop pop pop, and no one maintained formation with me. I dive into a ditch and motion to move up into the woods i'm the only one that even broke the initial line walking up.

I'm a fucking terrible leader.
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What are we doing and how many people do we have, and what is their training?

Fuck that, what are we doing? Do we even have an objective?
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In any case, whatever.

That just how it be when you're some l1 hell desk monkey; I've met other hell deskers and they've been shot at with live fire more than me.
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>>103220785
At my job my two senior co-workers can hardly use git at all. My boss is at least making progress, but still doesn't really understand commits properly.

My other co-worker, however, is beyond help. He has a separate directory on his computer with the git repo in it, and then manually merges in and out of that directory using an external merge tool. He refuses to learn git properly and is convinced his way is best. I have no confidence in anything he does because I don't trust that he's working with the same code we have in our repo. Meanwhile he's probably making like 50-60k more than me in salary.
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>>103221505
>>103221535
i can't tell what branch you're in, army or navy?
i guess marines since it seems like a little bit of both?

>>103221247
>chair force
>warriors
jej
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I know what I'm doing is Not Good, but thanks for letting me scream into the void a bit.

I'm not some full stack programmer, but I'm still an IT guy, and it's bad. And I know it's not bad in the same way it's bad for you, but it's bad for all of us and uhhhh

>>103221624
navy

we don't even have "marines" here; it's pretty uncommon to have so many branches at all

a common point of anxiety is that the navy does nothing useful except spend money, and if canada needs anything, it's a corporation that spends a fuckton of money to create some economic velocity. something something irving
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I used to be very optimistic. None of us will make it. that none of us have, are, or will make it creates strength. When it comes time for you to engage, I hope you do better than I did.
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>>103221623
Not to be rude, but your place sounds like a shit show. You considered greener pastures?
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>>103221126
Professional Engineers are not entry level positions.
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If I'm a "veteran" and I'm not here saying I killed a man; I am a proud 0 K:D, what few theatres I was in were cold as ice, but like, there's all these companies that "prefer" veterans or outright demand veterans. Do they expect people who have killed people?

I'm not even in like a side trade like gunnery or aerial support or whatever hte fuck-- my trade has no reasonable direct involvement in weapons fired.

But at the same time, I was "quick reaction team" handling a rifle, and at the same time, there is like zero chance I will engage. It was for little boats doing little stuff. I am legitimately at higher risk for getting in a firefight living in the hood than I ever was in uniform.

I imagine employers would be like "ur pretty fucked up" but I never shot anybody. I never got into any firefights. All I did, the whole time, I was a fuckin' AD Monkey. We had "QoL" wifi and I had to maintain that too, and like I was buying random hobby gear in port but then oh, well, something broke, good thing I bought some new tools I can fix the shredded up gear, and I can poke at the software too, so you can get back on reddit. That's what I did for years; make sure they can get their HR cancerware online and get on reddit too.

I dunno man. It's hard. It's stupid. Shit sucks.
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>apparently according to hr cancerware I was a no-show to to a fire attack team course
firefighters are the scariest people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5BFr4SmbM
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legit if someone came to me tomorrow and was like
>we're running another ATL course you down
i'd be like yea
and then if a ship was like
>oh you're a radioman with all these random IT certs but youre also an ATL
i'd be like
>unfortunately for you i uh actually fear death and have other shit to deal with too -- i dont want to be overhauling a shitty laundry fire with the skin around my eyes sluicing off and have some officer ask why they cant check their emails on their phone
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>>103221838
>radioman with all these random IT certs but youre also an ATL
I don't know what any of this means
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Hi. I'm an ex-first level tech-support worker, got fed up with knowing very little about the machines I've spent 90% of my life on and decided to go to university. I had to do a year of community college (this is how it works in Canada) and I currently have a 4.0 GPA (all As). I could get accepted in our top universities with that and I would seek it if I wanted to get hired by google or something, but I don't care for that and the financials are going to be a mess if I have to move. I can go to a local, less prestigious university without having to incur any debt through the money I earned when I worked, so that's what I'll do.

My background aside, I have to make a decision. I can get into either a BSc in Computer Science or a BASc in Computer Engineering. I'm having a really hard time picking one. I think I understand the differences well, as I've done a lot of research but I'm looking for some opinions between the two. Right now, my mind is on computer engineering but I'm not sold on it yet. There are things about CS that interest me that I'll be cut off from if I take CompE (AI, machine learning, cybersecurity, cryptography among others) but I've also always loved hardware and I want to understand how the machines work down to their core. I could see myself doing research work, or working with embedded systems. The idea of both options draws me in and light a fire in me, something that I feel extremely rarely.

Signing away 4+ year of my life at 28 feels like something I can't afford to have regrets on, that's why it's a very hard decision for me.

Thanks in advance.

>>103221052
Literally a masonic ritual. It's not even a secret. Rudyard Kipling(known Freemason) came up with the ritualistic part of it. If I do end up in engineering, I'm not taking that ring. It's not actually required to work. One of my college teachers did computer engineering and refused to take the ring. He's had a long career anyway.
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>>103221848
>working with embedded systems.
Former EE, there's not the money in it compared to SWE. But if you're really interested in it do it then, if you can enjoy your job that's great.
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>>103219988
I'm in the same boat, only 41% of grads get internships anyways, since there's so few of them out there and the ones that do exist have so much competition
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>>103221847
>radioman with all these random IT certs
as in, a retard who's polite enough to not say "five by five".

> but youre also an ATL
ATLs are the real niggas in shipboard firefighting. As in, fighting fires. literally. fighting open flames. That stands for Attack Team Leader, which is short for Firefighting Attack Team Leader. As in, like, if you've ever seen firefighters doing their work, there's an obvious team leader, right? ATL is the leader of the like three or four guys going in with hoses doing their thing.

Everyone who works on a ship has to be trained in very basic firefighting, because if your ship catches fire, who is going to help? Even in peacetime, you can't call 911 if you're in the middle of the atlantic. It sounds fucked up, but even if you work on an oil rig or something, there's courses for this and you geneally absolutely require them if you're in offshore shit, and even offshore shit still has servers to babysit.
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>>103221883
>41%
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>>103221890
I didn't make it clear ATL = Attack Team Leader. Even firefighters operate in teams, and the teams have better-trained leaders who direct the team to do what they have to do.
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Graduated a year ago and got my first job offer after a year of searching, it's a place that will take me on, train up up for 13 weeks and contract me out to other companies. The pay isn't great but I'm going crazy with rejections. What do you ladies think?
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>>103221870
I'm not that concerned with money, to be frank. I have a financial mind and very low requirements to live comfortably, so money just piled up, I invested it, bought property etc. You don't need to know the whole thing. I'm just saying to point out that I'm doing this to try to give some meaning to my life, as amassing wealth was not it for me. I'm spending a large portion of the money I've amassed in my life to go to uni. If I was just out for money, I would have stayed in my tech support job. It paid well.

I'm hoping for real, meaningful and interesting work. I used to work remote full time at a good wage and it demolished me mentally.

It's my understanding that I can secure employment directly in SWE if I wanted it, but I'll also have the realm of working with physical things open to me, contrary to CS. I love both the software and hardware part. I just love computers in general. I've spent 90% of my awake hours behind a computer screen, mostly for fun.

I'm someone who gets bored with things when I've learned them. Big reason why I couldn't take the tech support job anymore (I was actually good with the clients, I know people hate the interacting with users part but I didn't mind it, the work was just too simple). Between CS and CompE, which one am I less likely to get bored with after a few years?
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honestly i say "I shoult do other thing" but firefighting is a strong NOPE for me. when i was on one operation, we actually had a "flood" in a compartment well above the waterline. the firemain broke or some shit, I'm not sure. When I heard someone yelling, and the formal alarm raised after, my thought was basically "this is something stupid and dangerous; either I am going to die here, or this is going to be a funny story that breaks all of 'my' stuff."

Luckily, the firemain was isolated, no fires broke out, no serious flooding happened down the line, and I was on watch at the time so I didnt even lose any sleep.

Honestly, that that's the scariest experience I've had in the military is both a good and bad thing; nothing bad happened and I remained safe, but also the gear is so fucked up that you get flood alarms for shit above the waterline. More personally, I should have noticed, there was like a half foot of water when I opened the door to my space, but also how safe is the ship that I can do that and not notice before opening the door. It's one of those "this can happen and you should be scared" but also "it happened and like I didn't get zappped"
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>>103221916
Impressive you did that on a tech support wage. It really depends what you prefer to learn, tech is constantly changing and those that create stuff, be it code or hardware, are constantly learning all the time. Pick the one you enjoy the most right now.
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>>103221913
they'll probably charge twice what they pay you, and i'd guess they will make the company sign some kind of non-hire agreement in case you get any ideas about working there long-term. i'd use it as a training opportunity and get a real job asap.
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>>103221951
>>103221897
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>>103221838
nigga why the fuck are you posting here
you sound like a schizo attention whore
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>>103221183
>easy to compete with 18y olds
Yeah, that's a big advantage you have as an older student. You get to see that time isn't on your side and you can't afford to fuck around and fail. The kids in my class coped with my performance by saying I had experience already, until I told them that actually I didn't and started on the same level they did on this. Then they just started acting like I was actually mentally gifted. I don't think I am. I was just putting an extreme amount of effort.

I'd say a smart, serious, driven 18 year old who already knows what they want to be in life is a 1/100 thing.
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>>103221955
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, I know they will jew me but it's the only thing I got going. So might be worth doing it and getting real experience and a foot on the ladder.
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>>103221959
i have a job in "tech"
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>>103221979
Definitely better to get some money coming it and avoided the dreaded years-long hole in your resume. Once you have some experience, it'll be different.
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maybe you oh-so-competent people could help

it's a common problem where I work where we can't accurately track our own small boats. if you had infinite money but limited actual computing gear and processing power, how would you do keep track of fleet vehicles within around 5 nautical miles?
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>>103221963
>Yeah, that's a big advantage you have as an older student. You get to see that time isn't on your side and you can't afford to fuck around and fail
I'm 25 and I see no difference between being 25 and being 12. I really don't feel anything. in fact I feel even more demoralized and feel even less like trying

WTF is this "growing up" bullshit all you niggers are experiencing? is adulthood even a real thing? if adulthood is real then how come nothing changed between when i was 12 and now?

how the fuck do you grow up? they said the brain matures at 25 then HOW THE FUCK DID NOTHING CHANGE FOR ME? IS ADULTHOOD A NATURAL THING OR NOT?
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>>103221952
Thank you. We all play to our strengths, eh? My life's been a mess in other areas, but financially I've had successes.
>It really depends what you prefer to learn
I don't have fuck-you money where I never have to work again (yet) I'd spend the time to do the classes I won't be doing based on which one I end up doing.

One thing I'll say though, I cannot see myself being "just a programmer". I can't see myself writing code 90% of my day for the rest of my life. Is that what I'm getting with CS? If so then it's pretty much decided that I'll do Comp E.

I am a bit worried that the course work will be too hard for me though. I should maybe do an IQ test to get an idea. I'm not getting into this half-assed, though. It'll get 100% of my effort and attention during the 4 years I'm there. I know a lot of people are scared by the maths. I love maths. Initially I was thinking of thinking a dual bachelors in comp sci/maths.
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>>103222027
>if adulthood is real then how come nothing changed between when i was 12 and now
You are a coddled child
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>>103222034
Pick up a hobby then. There's more to life than code.
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>>103222035
but that contradicts saying the brain matures at 25. isn't that supposed to be a biological thing? shouldn't that happen regardless of my environment?

I'm confused. people say adulthood is a natural process. so is it natural or environmental?
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>>103222013
have them use something that works similar to aviation transponders. have each small boat squawk a different transponder code or transmit an identification like planes use while interacting with air traffic controllers. find something equivalent. the better question is if you have any towers nearby that can help with transmitting signal to the small boats. if not and the money isnt an issue, i would invest into one that is strong enough to to transmit and receive at that range.
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I have a theory that contact with modern IT/IS actively causes if not at least promotes mental derangement

the tl;dr of it is that they're inherently unnatural systems built by other people, and interactions with modern hardware and software are inherently adversarial as a result. instead of a sense that a given device might be able to do something for you, you have the foreknowledge that it should, and it's up to you to "solve" the device, and by extension, overcome its creators and parent technologies. The modern stuff is particularly black box like and is overly dynamic, making interactions with it inconsistent even minute-to-minute. It's also incredibly pervasive since everything everyone does now involves a computer (or phone/tablet).
So basically your entire world becomes one of combating inconsistent almost whimsical devices that have no clear reason to behave how they behave at any given time. People are creatures of habit, learning, and intuition, and most modern software and hardware are not intuitive because of design leaning on unnatural rules, learning is dissuaded by toxic cultures in tech communities, and habit is basically impossible because of constant updates and dynamic content.

I was inspired by ted's assertion that
>It is true that primitive man is powerless against some of the things that threaten him .... But threats to the modern individual tend to be MAN-MADE. They are not the results of chance but are IMPOSED on him by other persons whose decisions he, as an individual, is unable to influence. Consequently he feels frustrated, humiliated and angry.
this passage is actually in response to social systems, but I think it applies equally to actual physical technology

that there is an entire field of people who are so utterly deranged only creates an echo chamber of further derangement and jump-starts the prodromal schizophrenia necessary to be gud with computers and actually enjoy it
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>>103222027
Chill.
>in fact I feel even more demoralized and feel even less like trying
sounds like depression to me. I'm going through that too. Can't really help you with it or I'd help myself out of it. All I can say is allow yourself to feel like that but get up and do it anyway. That's all you can do.

I didn't say anything about growing up. I was "grown up" from around 16 years old in my mind. It was at that age I decided to take control over my life. That doesn't mean I didn't change of course.

I believe in the your brain stops changing after 25 thing. My years 18-25 I bounced around a million different ideologies, philosophical thoughts, religions etc. That stopped after I reached around 25-26 and I've held to the same thoughts as I had since then.

Everyone's mind is different, I guess. For me it was decided on what I wanted. Once I did, it was a simple matter of going out and getting it. Once I achieved it, I became depressed again, it all came crumbly and had to start from scratch. It's in that environment that I thrive.
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>>103222041
I've been a NEET most of my adult life, so I've had my share of dabbling in hobbies. That didn't fulfill me either. I got into music in the last year, and it's been really fun. But I need something to work on. I think meaningful work is the only thing that has a chance of me getting any real enjoyment and satisfaction out of this life.
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>>103222051
>have them use something that works similar to aviation transponders.
that was the old way and we lost the contract to that system because it hit EoL so hard it literally doesnt exist anymore. a a rainbow that fate has devoured. and ofc we don't have radio receivers dedicated to IFF

>the better question is if you have any towers nearby that can help with transmitting signal to the small boats. if not and the money isnt an issue, i would invest into one that is strong enough to to transmit and receive at that range.
we (or at least our operators) like Trunked Radio but those are controlled by another unit. while we are on good terms, that we don't "own" the relevant radios creates some friction. maybe i'll make some noise about getting our region onto having some stuff on our account that is programmed to use trunked shit like the coast guard does

we currently use janky satcom that no one likes; while reliable, it's simply too slow for tactical operatons where info is so perishable that the dial-up time could have a significant change in the overall ABSOLUTE STATE. we have LOS UHF and VHF handheld units but for whatever reason THEY refuse to install higher power units in the boats despite it being an absolute requirement for that kind of stuff to exist on civilian vessels.
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>>103222052
what you wrote is interesting at the very least but
>that there is an entire field of people who are so utterly deranged only creates an echo chamber of further derangement and jump-starts the prodromal schizophrenia necessary to be gud with computers and actually enjoy it
demolishes it for me, as I'm not schizophrenic (evaluated) and I'm good with and love computers.
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>>103222085
>I believe in the your brain stops changing after 25 thing. My years 18-25 I bounced around a million different ideologies, philosophical thoughts, religions etc. That stopped after I reached around 25-26 and I've held to the same thoughts as I had since then.
if you're talking about philosophy an ideology I did change a lot. But in terms of lifestyle I'm the exact same as when I was 12. just video games and music
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>>103222125
there is no up or down above the clouds and I can't breathe

we are falling down slowly like snow led by gravity
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>nobody to talk with, try to talk with people in /twg/
>completely ignored, I assume it's because I post 'too gay' pictures
>obnoxious attention seeking für gets replies
I guess there's no way for me to be social.
Also happy Monday.
I will go to the office today.
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>>103222155
i unironically like utwg more cause its more chill (when its up lmao)
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>>103222155
Come on, don't be like that, we 're all here in good fun.

If nothing else, it goes to show: You CAN present force, and you WILL be listened to.
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>>103222155
just stop posting the gay or furry shit if you dont want me to hide your post. go 5 minutes without thinking about jacking off.
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>>103222141
>just video games and music
time to take control anon. You said you're 25 right? Maybe the thing that changed for me is that I eventually just got plain bored of the things I used to love, the things that kept me away from actually living real life (the bad and the good). So, it was a motivator to find things to do with life. Yes, you're playing catch-up. That's the cards you have to play. I'm playing catch-up starting at 28, so you have a good three years on me. Get started now, no reason to delay.

I saw what your wrote about all the things you feel you must have at 30. You're most likely not going to have all of them, but who says you need to have them anyway? I definitely won't have them at 30. It's fine. My father went back to school at 28 too. He had me when he was 40. Life isn't on a railroad track where you have to hit certain milestones at certain ages. That's simply not how life works.

>>103222155
talk to AI, it'll always answer
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>>103222178
NTA, but I don't think you or anyone else wants that.
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>>103222181
>Maybe the thing that changed for me is that I eventually just got plain bored of the things I used to love, the things that kept me away from actually living real life (the bad and the good). So, it was a motivator to find things to do with life.
Honestly, same. When I was working full time last, I spent a lot of it sewing.

No one has the answers, and we are not put here for any reason. It's best to do whatever it is you want to do.
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>>103222181
thing is I really want to be a dad in my 30s and I really want to be in the same spot as everyone else my age as I hate being behind and I don't like taking to long to get my shit together, plus I want a wife older than me so that heavily puts a time limit I can't have that at 40. I'll have to get it done by 30 otherwise it's game over for me and I'll have to kill myself in front of my mom with my blood spilling all over her face. I want her permanently traumatized and her spirit crushed for everything she ever did to me.
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>>103222161
I've been employed for years.
Now I am at the first company I enjoy and I'd love to talk about the crazy things that happen daily.

>>103222178
I'm hobby ic, I'm not posting or into sexual stuff, just colourful happy stuff, kind of like the rhel cert videos guy. The kind of people who even in 30s or 40s get still learn new stuff.
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Got laid off. I’ve submitted over 200 applications over the last week and have been ghosted for 95% of them and rejected by the remaining 5%. I’m not entry level either, and when I was I actually I received consistent interviews unlike now. Is the market really this terrible now? I feel like throwing up every morning knowing this will probably be a 6 month ordeal.
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So, how do I ask for more money? WHEN do I ask for more money? My situation: 11 YOE making $118k, I've been at this company 3 years. They are hiring another me and they publicly posted their salary range, looking for a minimum of 7 YOE, salary range $115k to $150k. This tells me that they think my addition 4 YOE (and 3 years with the company) is only worth $3k, which is bullshit. So: how do I approach my employer, and what do I ask for?
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I wonder when I'll be forced out of software engineering. Seems like we are all playing musical chairs with other skilled engineers, third worlders, and AI
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>>103222239
Ah well, you can have a kid whenever, and--

>I want her permanently traumatized and her spirit crushed for everything she ever did to me.

I'm not going to lie to you here. I, personally, live well. Every piece of family drama does not matter to me anymore. I have defeated them. The old " the best revenge is living well" thing sounds like bullshit but it's true. I live well, I don't have to care about those people, and that represents a level of victory that entire countries can only dream of.

I am a sorrowful person; I lament and cry and rage and scream towards the moon. I am a bad person in a lot of ways. I openly cry, and I admit my failures. NOTHING can take away from me that I've won, or at least placed higher, than my family that thought I could do no better.
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>>103222239
If you do better than your family-- a family that told you can't do well, that you're an idiot, or even implied it -- if you do better, you won. If you are doing okay and anyone else tells you that you sholdn't be or shouldn't have, that is the one victory you can be assured of in life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOBbk-9uOBQ
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>>103222265
Unless you’re holding the only secret knowledge of how a proprietary system operates that would be fucked without you, you won’t get anything close to what you want. If you want any pay raise though, you just need to be consistent and ask your employer directly. The entire goal of pay discussions is for you to avoid asking about it upfront so they can dance around and avoid it for as long as they can.
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>>103222239
>thing is I really want to be a dad in my 30s
Not impossible. Not even impossible by 30, but your education will suffer and probably have to be dropped to get money in for your family.
>I really want to be in the same spot as everyone else my age as I hate being behind
This is something I've struggled with and reached to a point where I can accept that I'm simply different. A regular life path was never in the cards for me. It is what it is. You can cry about it or you can make the things you want to happen for yourself happen. Plus, who said you need a college diploma? If you're able to get a decent paying job that you tolerate, then maybe that's enough.

That's something every guy who becomes a father young ends up choosing. Or not even. I have guys who just hold jobs like that because it's easier and life is fine.

You could also go to trade school for 1-2 years and get a pretty well paying job as an electrician or something. That's always an option. It's what I'd do if I didn't decide I wanted to get deeper into computers.

>I want a wife older than me
That sounds like some sort of pathology. I won't begin to question. With the things you said about your mom I already know where it comes from. Get rid of that and simply find an available girl.

I wanted a family too, but I realized how delusional it is for me to even think about that when I'm 27 and I've never been on a date. Still makes me sad that I won't get to have that in life, but it is what it is.

You need to forgive your mom and let go. Mine fucked me up real bad too, but living in bitterness and holding on to the past isn't something that'll help you with anything.

>>103222299
I feel like the opposite, like I let everyone down. I know my parents wanted grandchildren. With their age, they'll never get to see them. I feel like a failure.
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>>103222246
>Is the market really this terrible now?
It's completely fucked, and it's like this everywhere at every level of experience. Non-tech fields have fewer raw numbers competing but also have far fewer jobs to go around
Literal majority of the postings are fake and everything is run by broken AI systems because jeetspam makes it physically impossible to read all the applications even if Becky wasn't too lazy. We're rapidly becoming a nepo society where calling your uncle is the only way anyone ever gets employed
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>>103222265
>how do I ask for more money?
Find a job that'll pay you what you want, then if you actually want to keep your current job because you like it tell them "So, there's this job that's given me a job offer at a starting salary of X. I really love this job, so if you can match it I'll stay." If you can't find a job that'll give you that, your current job has no reason to pay it to you.

This isn't the 50s, if you want more money you need to actively and aggressively seek it. You won't get shit just by being good and loyal.
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>>103222319
The amount of fake jobs I’ve seen in applications has been insane. First time I searched I ran into only one, now a third of them are scams or links to get you to join some alternate recruiting site with no actual job linked. I’m asking everyone if they no any jobs they can grease the wheels for me to get into, and I’m getting nothing because it’s that bad everywhere it seems.
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>like I let everyone down.
i hate to shill the same channel with no content but some ac130 gunner they were talking to said it like
>You always feel like you owe your unit, the community, you owe them something. And you don't owe yourself anything

You don't owe anyone anything. Your parents raised you? That's not even a legal requirement; that is the bare minimum to sustain a species. Though it is also a legal requirement these days. And it's not your job to sustain the species anyway.

In the navy I got that a lot. Even I feel that way a lot. Like wherever you're working, you ought to be the best and do the best. But it's important to take care of yourself, too.

Something I try to remember is an important first-aid principle. If you take a first aid course, what they tell you is that YOU are important. Not because you're something special, but because if you get injured, if you fuck around and find out, now you can't help anyone else. If you want to help people, you can't run at 100% all the time. The one time it counts, you'll be too tired. Take it easy. We're in an easy time. Leave all that effort for when it matters.
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>>103222313
I need a degree because without it, it's hard to get a work visa

and I don't have dating experience either but won't give up.
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>>103222388
did you fail to read the literal first word I wrote? You have to find the job first. If they think you're lying, you just leave and go make more money elsewhere.
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>>103218728
Hey Tyler chudden
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all that said, what the hell do *I* do?

I have a job, and I don't like it. My experience is not so exciting. What the hell am I supposed to do? Is this all I can do?
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>>103222329
to add on to this, I remember reading this thing in the past about how corporations have a higher budget allocated to new hire acquistions than keeping them. That's why they'll pay the new guy up to 35k more than they're paying you.

They're essentially going off the idea that you won't leave because you're already making good money and it'll be a hassle for you to find another job, so you won't bother and they won't have to pay you much more than increase your wage a little bit every other year.

You can turn this to your advantage by being the guy taking that position as a new guy coming in though. People who make the most money in terms of salary are those that don't stay at jobs longer than a year and a half to two years. You stop growing when you get comfortable and settle in somewhere.
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>>103222442
impossible to answer without more specifics. What level of education do you have? You could go back. If you already have it, you can branch out and try to find work elsewhere.
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>>103222448
>They're essentially going off the idea that you won't leave because you're already making good money and it'll be a hassle for you to find another job, so you won't bother and they won't have to pay you much more than increase your wage a little bit every other year.
Yes
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>>103222456
I am some retarded furfaggot navy commsie and have a few years of formally being the IT nerd. maybe 3-4 YoE actual honest years being a sysadmin?

it's hard to say, but im a college dropout all in all. when i say i "went to college" it's a white lie. i went to college. i didnt graduate

>You could go back
ah yeah some 30+ year old going to college sounds fucking legit
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>>103222512
That's not what "white lie" means
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>>103222518
I went to college, I just didn't graduate. I was the primary sysadmin, it was just all Win 2008 servers. what's the difference?

It's not like I say I'm A GRADUATE on my resume, I just put it on there that I went.
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>>103222329
Look I'm not going to argue here if I'm being underpaid in a general sense or anything like that. How does someone know what they're actually worth? How does someone know how much money they actually want? We will all take as much as we can get, right? The only ammo I have, which seems pretty valid, is that - how can I be worth $2k more than a guy with 7 years of experience (to my 11 YOE), who also is coming into the company fresh (when I've got 3 years in and obviously have a better sense of how processes work, am more efficient than someone new to the company, etc).
>>103222329
this seems like a good idea but wouldn't you hinder your reputation with the company (or at least your boss) by waving this "hey I can get a higher salary" flag around? it stinks in all ways. Employer: "Hey this fuck was willing to leave!" Employee: "They could have been paying me more the whole time!!"
>>103222448
now this is a good argument, and it is certainly one answer to my question above. Not good for me, for (You), for all of us, but yes it does make sense. I'm just trying to make some more money here; I have some edge here, there seems to be a play I can make considering that they've posted a salary range publicly for the exact job I do in order to hire another me. I am extremely blessed and comfortable and this is the best job I've ever had and yes they are some big ass corporation and are sitting on a pile of gold. My gut check suggests I could maybe job hop to get $130k but is that extra $12k pretax worth it? Who knows what the future job will be like ; what the coworkers will be like ; how insane the work travel will be ; the boss ; the stress, etc. I can still ask the question for more money and the worst they can say is No.

something something thanks for reading my blog
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what should I do to learn more machine learning after the basics?

sometimes it really does feel like fiddling with random variables until you get a good test score
also whats a good way to start learning specifically video processing/facial recognition?
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I'm the too happy (gay) person.
How many fürfags are in this thread?

>>103222512
Maybe because IT is one of these weird bourgeois jobs that you sort of have to like to be employed? Imagine architects or drawfags that hate art orarketing people with iq over 85. It's not simple normie job. Even white collar jobs sort of used to imply kind of city middle class.
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fucking Monday tomorrow fuck FUCK
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>>103222682
please don't drag your fetishes into this thread
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>>103222713
Srsly no fetishes, the fur fag posts a moth sexing a lightbulb and that's fine and I'm causing anons to rage because someone got idea that I'm a degenerate.
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>>103221487
could be worse (being a woman that waited too long)
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is it still "living paycheck to paycheck" if you have a savings? the savings just never grows because everything you make οn your check goes to living expenses, etc
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>>103222798
yes
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>>103221487
I own nothing (except my car) and I am happy
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>>103218381
I actually remember that from school. Like three of us were actually computer nerds and everyone else was going to make video games.
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Best Courses learning Cisco ASA/firepower?
Prefer subbed and free/pirated

I passed CCNA half year ago by memorize all Muhammad leaked exam bank
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>set up UAT groupchat
>dozen testers plus a few others
>let testers know they can ask me any questions directly, or the group if needed
>manager asks me to rescind the part about messaging me directly so we "capture all the feedback for FAQs"
I'm looking forward to every message being a needless ping to over a dozen people
Not to mention the manager is basically saying they don't trust me to record feedback
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>>103221153
Calm down anon you are inflicting this suffering upon yourself for no reason. you've ever heard of the spotlight effect?
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>back to back walls of text
Didn’t read lol. Take your meds.
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>>103219719
can someone correct the distortion for this image?
wanna see road as straight lines
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>>103218381
Skibidi
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>>103222970
yeah sure just pay me $500
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>>103219719
>>103222970
Not really sure what I'm doing but this is what I did.
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>>103220149
>national webp ban
I would suck drumpf's dick if he managed to ban that shit wepb format
I hate webp so much god dammit

>url ends in .jpg
>right click save as
>it's webp @ 50kb
>open same link in browser without webp support
>get a real 800kb jpeg with way more detail
FUCKING
REEEEEEEE
DELETE
WEB
PEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>posted 1 hour ago · Over 100 applicants

its so much worse than they're saying it is bros
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>>103223031
>save as webp
>open it in your picture app
>save as jpg
simple as
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>>103223165
Sounds like a fucking pain
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>>103223165
Are you forgetting the part about where I explained that the original JPEG has superior quality?
I'm not some idiot incapable of converting an image. WebP is used to deliver garbage quality at a level lower than what the previous lossy low quality standard was for decades.
Converting a low detail webp back to JPEG is as dumb as saving a Q15 4:0:0 JPEG as Q90 4:4:4

>>103223187
Sounds it, but there are plugins/extensions that can mostly automate the process to do it for you.
Doesn't solve the underlying problem of the image being enshittified with a cost-cutting shit file format nobody asked for though.
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>>103222798
It depends on the amount of savings
"Paycheck to paycheck" means you are reliant on the incoming paycheck to pay your bills. If you have enough savings to pay bills for a few weeks you're not paycheck to paycheck any more
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>>103218705
Are you me?
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>>103218381
iTODDLERS BTFO
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>>103223157
i swear to god linkedin applications go straight into the trash anyways, stop using it to find jobs
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>>103223196
what else is there?

I don't know anybody.
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>>103223191
WebP is lossless though, how is jpeg which is lossy superior in quality?
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>>103223196
True I'll just walk into their office and give them a firm handshake instead
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>>103223210
Your virginity is lossless
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>>103223210
WebP has the ABILITY to save lossless, but it isn't.
99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time it just takes the already lossy JPEG image the website is supposed to have then compresses it even further with another stage of lossy compression with an emphasis on total blur vs 8x8 chunks like JPEG has. WebPs will usually lack detail in people's foreheads for example or any "texture" in things JPEG would preserve but it's stated to be "better" because it doesn't get blocky.

JPEG @ 90 or up is usually fine enough and delivers images in under 1MB but they're taking those ~800kb JPEGs and turning them into smeary lossy WebP at ~50-100kb and shit looks awful.

Just like how WebM has lossless options in VP9 but virtually nobody ever uses it for lossless encoding.
Here's the thing, though. WebM is convenient. It filled a niche where there wasn't already something better. WebP however is an unwelcome assault on image quality for images on the internet.
JPEGs were better. For people who wanted lossless, there was PNG. We had these for decades. There's no reason to change them.
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>>103223226
My theory is that webp files aren't really meant to be downloaded and saved to a local disk, but only for viewing on the web, hence the name, . It's a really good format for loading images onto websites due to the small file size and quality, but it's not really meant to be downloaded from.
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>>103223264
>see .webp image
>push PrtSc
>open paint.net
>paste
>crop
>done and done
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>>103218381
born too late to afford to retire
born too early to be replaced by ai
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Bros. I work an easy job. 4 day weeks. Literally no oversight, I can go days without talking to anyone. All this great stuff and I’m still dissatisfied. The codebase is bad and every piece of code becomes legacy as soon as it hits the codebase. This job also provides negative meaning to my life.

I have friends in FAANG for referrals. I’m considering jumping ship. I’ve done all the practice before but need to go through the ropes again. I’m 27 years old and often it just feels like all my ships have sailed. I’m trying to find joy in programming but am somehow burning out on a fucking 32 hour week. It’s absolute toil.

Advice?
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>currently doing an internship in a data science company as a junior dev/data "engineer"
Bros I can't live like this.

Talk me out of becoming a freelancer doing websites for small businesses on wordpress or whatever.
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>>103223898
> freelancer doing websites for small businesses on wordpress
the age of doing this for a living is over. this is a side hustle at best.
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>>103223595
FAANG is more of the same bullshit but with oversight. Find meaning by reading philosophy books, making art and/or working out on company time. Also give me a referral, you have exactly the job I need
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>help desk duty
>Hong Kong-intern calls in from her office here
>I can't pronounce English for shit (am a Dutchman)
>"I need to type in Chinese"
>explain that you will visit her in a moment
>sound like a drunken Luxembourger
>they don't understand a word I'm saying
kill me
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>>103224061
I can live on 1k euros per month. Is that unrealistic for a wordpress freelancer?
What about freelancing with some of the shiny new buzzword nocode/low code frameworks?
I've also considered iOS development but it requires more skill
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>>103224139
I guess it's doable but you should actually get some clients first. Freelancing is 90% sales/networking. Why can't you "live like this" in your comfy data eng internship? is it cause it's boring and not real engineering? cause freelance webshit is 1000000x more boring, and on top of that you'll have to deal with retarded boomer customers 24/7 to earn your measly 1k
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>>103224159
>Freelancing is 90% sales/networking
I hate this. I just want people to contact me on upwork, go "hey can you do X" and I'll answer yeah sure it's whatever price and I do it and they pay me
>Why can't you "live like this"
I hate being a wagie, I can't do it.
Also I don't really care about something being boring but data eng requires some actual skills and being invested in what you're doing, I'm gonna sound like a lazy retard but I don't love this field enough to somehow immerse myself intellectually in writing website scrapers or kubernetes backends. Yeah I have fun writing stupid programs in unemployable languages but spending my entire day putting in effort for something like this is beyond me, I'd rather do something low effort/skill and low pay, data is high effort medium pay
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>>103218705
>due to office renovations, some employees will be working from home for a unknown period of time
>mfw im one of those employees
sometimes I remember I dont hate working I just hate the office
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>>103220862
yeah
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>used to work in tech for a couple years
>had just established myself on a very decent job
>could see myself working there happily for years to come
>get into a traffic accident
>6 months in the hospital
>body gets mauled, brain damage happens
>told that everything besides scars will heal with proper revalidation
>lose job in the meantime
>go through revalidation process
>by luck, get into another tech job about 2 years after the accident; a lot less nice than the previous one but at least it gets me back in the field again
>simply cannot do the exact same work that i used to do in the past
>even the simpler, more basic things are a complete mystery to me at this point
>cant get over the feeling of being unable to do something i used to be able to do with my eyes closed anymore
>partner leaves me for a co-worker that she met less than 5 weeks ago
what a life..
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do any of you actually enjoy working in an office?
I don't hate though admittedly I have a lot of cute coworkers and they are mostly why.
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Migrate
>>103224605
>>103224605
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>>103224533
In the main, no, but it is helpful on occasion to spend a bit of time in the office together. You don't form any sort of meaningful colleague relationships through Teams calls in my experience, you need that in person stuff to experience the subtleties in relationship building; the water cooler talk, lunch, etc

And despite what any autist says it IS important to actually have relationships with your co-workers, no one works in a vacuum
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>>103223595
if you are burning out there, FAANG will eat you and shit you out. only go there if you really want to challenge yourself. and not just by working on complicated systems, but by dealing with large corporate bullshit
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Why the fuck are those thread flooded with furries all of a sudden!?



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