>>103245748
Looking for a 1440p gaming monitor under $500; something with decent contrast ratio, good motion handling, and minimal VRR flicker

how do you know how much fans is enough for your build? also what fan speed is right?

>>103245748
bitch go clean my toilet and stop using my laptop

>>103245779
I tried maxing out case fans, just got too loud. Went down to 2x front, 1x rear, now it's quiet and temps are about the same so I'm happy with that. I guess the best answer is just try different setups until you find the sweet spot for you.

Currently looking for a good monitoring panel, my budget is 350 euros. Are there any recommendations or is this a matter for another thread?

>>103245789
shes looking down on you for being a itoddler

>>103245779
You should probably have at least as many case fans as you do component fans (CPU and GPU). Unless you're doing something unusual like running it with the case open, in which case airflow isn't an issue.
The more fan throughput you have (more fans, larger fans), the lower speed they need to run to meet the airflow needs. Though noise is only as good as the loudest fan, so if you are just cramming more in there for the sake of it don't go for cheap shit.
Use the motherboard to control fan speeds and throttle up to match how hard your component fans are working.

>>103245864
Shit... maybe it's her laptop then, but that not why I pay her.

>>103245835
>>103245866
cool thanks guys im just going to go with 3 front, 1 top, 1 rear.

What's a good psu for my a770 13600k build? Only using it for htpc could I get away with 650w?

>>103245891
That's good, if they're all the same you'll get positive pressure. It's good in dusty environments.

i'm looking to replace my case because it's fans are very loud and while i managed to negate most if it using custom fan curves it's getting worse probably due to some combination of deep dirt that needs cleaning and general material deterioration. looking for a good mid tower that will use water cooling for the cpu instead of air cooling i am using now. i want a case that has a little bit of window but not too much glass because i'm a rentcuck and shit breaks when moving. recs?

current case is fractal torrent compact if it matters, very very pretty case but way too fucking loud

also i've read the recommendations in the OP but i think i want to try something different more specific for my needs if possible

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5090 when? I wanna blow it the fuck up with my gook psu!

>>103245946
Sex in exchange for 5090? Can't be me, that shit will consume like 600W.

>>103245778
Two good ones are listed in the OP.

>>103245779
3 fans is enough for most good air flow cases. And they come standard with them. If you are in doubt, just buy one of the cases from the OP. They come with adequate fans and start at like $60-70.

Hello, I'm searching for an easily transportable external monitor for an HX100G mini-pc. Something like a rollable oled display sounds nice. I'm asking because I don't want to buy another laptop ever again.

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>>103245748
I ordered some of those DDR5 sticks from Teamgroup (T-Force Delta), does anyone know if they're actually A-die? Timings are 30-36-36-76-112 at 6000Mhz EXPO settings.

Only info I can gather is that they're Hynix and Thaiphoon reports the chips as "H5CG48?GBDX014", so it can't confirm A or M.
Kingbank allegedly sells A-die sticks with the same timings and reading also reports that same parts code.

Tempted to think they have to be A-die because it seems like M-die isn't even used anymore for 6000CL30 DDR5 but I don't know.

>>103246132
Buy a laptop?

>>103245778
>$500
>1440p
There's not much point spending that much for a 1440p monitor unless you're getting an OLED monitor. I believe there are some in your price range but I'm not from the US.
I'd either spend a lot less and get a Dell G2724D or spend a bit more and get a 240/360hz QD-OLED, doesn't matter which one cause they all have the same panel and don't use vendor-specific tuning like pixel overdrive.

>>103246134
16gbit m-die is already EOL afaik so its almost certainly A-die

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Stalker 2 is only 2 hours and 25 minutes away. Wonder how well it will run on 9800x3D.

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>>103246046
Lucky I have a 600w meltyplug on my 1600w PSU then

>>103246134
my 2x32GB kit that i got 2 months ago is 6000 30-40-40-96 and it is M-die

>>103246217
Gonna run like poo on my 13600k 7900xtx no doubt my 9800x3d will struggle to be fed by my GPU

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>>103245748
>>103246134
How much do RAM timings matter?
People here seem to care a lot, but the difference I've seen between mid and higher end stuff is only like 2%

>>103246228
Not nearly as much as they did with DDR4. As long as it's ddr5 6000 you're pretty much fine

>>103246217
it'll run fine until the engine says fuck you and stutters

>>103246217
i stopped giving a shit abuot this game when the first gameplay trailer came out and it was all recorded with console controller

its almost guaranteed to be a shadow of S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl

>>103246217
>everything posted with dlss these days
>games designed to be used with it
I remember when people called dlss a gimmick

>>103246164
Nah
ZenScreen OLED MQ16AHE lookin' good

>>103246278
it is a gimmick that is only used to get games out the door faster

>>103246309
The future is now old man (I am also an old man now)

>>103246175
Have they mitigated the burn in issues on OLEDs, or do you still have to baby them?

>>103246282
Yes, definitely get a laptop with OLED.

>>103243007
Anyone? I have that drive and I don't want to miss out on something.

>>103246475
It doesn’t perform as advertised on Linux. Does about the same as 870.

>>103246475
Sn850x is a better performer in Linux and usually costs less

>>103246484
>>103246495
I use another drive on my Linux machine. Are there any special steps to take for Windows, or will it perform just fine?

>>103245779
You don't need that many if you got something with high rpm and good pressure. Which is pretty much every Fan on the market now unless we're talking utter chinkshit. It's more about positioning and power draw. If your components aren't power hogs that eat 700w just to boot up, you should never run into thermal issues even if you go with very few or zero case fans.

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come home white man

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https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-performance-analyses/stalker-2-benchmarks-pc-performance-analysis/
thought the 7900xtx would fall a lot more behind but it's doing quite well

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Is T-CREATE a safe brand? I never heard of them before.

>>103246555
Checked and qt.

>>103246625
They are good, some XOCers bought their naked JEDEC kits because they source Hynix A/M dies.
Corsair has gotten better with selling XMP/EXPO kits with tighter timings recently though.
The performance difference will be negligible.

How big of a hit is using a true workstation CPU for gaming?
I want to build a dual-purpose gaming and machine learning PC. I was looking at the Threadrippers for their memory and I/O bandwidth (even a low-end 7960X manages 170 GB/s compared to 90 GB/s for the 9800X3D). But I've heard the warnings in the past about how these wide-ass workstation CPU's suffer on single-application performance.
How relevant are the concerns today? I've seen benchmarks for the 5000-series threadrippers that seem to suggest it isn't as bad as it used to be.

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Why wont they give this with more bays? The Jews are keeping hot swap from us. node 804 might still be the best option.

>>103246721
why not something like 7950x3d or 7950x? They have decent gaming performance too.

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Day 594 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>103246555
broooo old white PC so cool!!!! Finally I can nostalgia XDXD
>born in 2005

>>103246721
funny you say that because back in the ryzen 3000 and ryzen 5000 days, the threadrippers performed better than even the ryzen 9s but the game has changed now with x3d being a thing

>>103246773
1983 actually.

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>>103246773
>old bad, new good

>>103245748
what specs do you need to game at 4k nowadays? Sometimes it seems like my 3070 can struggle with some new things at 1080p, can't imagine trying to push 4k with it

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>>103246824

>>103246835
medium gang let's goooo

>>103246835
Really regretting getting this 4070 when I could’ve sprung for a TiS or 4080 if I wasn’t penny pinching

>>103246864
not like that +10-15 FPS will really matter

>>103246762
Both those still cap out in the 80-90 GB/s range for memory bandwidth.
Seriously, machine learning soaks memory access really hard (which is why GPU's dominate it). A medium LLM might guzzle 140 GB of memory access per word it spits out. So twice as much memory bandwidth might mean the difference between the model typing 30 WPM and 60 WPM.
Definitely not going with some 24-channel, dual CPU server build though, even if that would hit TB/s memory access. Too much of a performance hit for other uses of the PC.

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>>103246835
>2024+1soon tm
>60fps is proudly promoted as some sort of shame-brandishing

>>103246864
The most optimal visual setting is usually a mix of low & high options anyway.
Ultra textures for 4K, but that's pretty much it.

>>103246875
your eyes can't see more than 24 fps so what's the point
>inb4 input latency
It's not a competitive game.

>>103246383
I wouldn't say you need to baby them but no, burn-in isn't fixed and will happen quite fast if you use your OLED as a regular monitor. The steps to mitigate the biggest burn-in threats aren't too restrictive though.
What I do is hide the taskbar, keep a black wallpaper, monitor shutdown after 10 mins AFK and mainly use my second monitor for all fixed application and web browsing (still jerk off using the OLED monitor).

>>103246911
Damn I have 0 space for another monitor and really wanted an OLED. Guess it just ain’t for me.

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>>103246835
gonna need more ram than just 16gb ram with the memory leaks

>>103246946
Jesus Christ

R8 or H8 my nas build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8KZWXR

The RAM is placeholder, I'm getting used ECC RAM.

>>103246555
What if I'm not huwhite?

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>>103245748
what a classic image

should I consider any 30xx cards for 1440p? do I really need a 4070 ti super?

>>103246871
Here you are getting threadripper and nice hardware. I want to run llama 3.1 on 7900x and 4080s lol. Sux to be poor I guess. I really want 7900xtx as I'm loonix user, but AMD is not there yet I guess. How much RAM and what gpus are you looking at?

lost my chance to get KTC H24T09P on sale and right now they're about $150 in europe
I feel like the supply is running dry and I'm not sure whether i should wait and get the next gen product or just take the plunge and pay the retard tax
i want something to sit on until OLED becomes affordable to me

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>>103247150
Bruh, 24" is not allowed if you are a fully grown adult male.

>>103246938
It's fine as a main monitor as long as you mainly use it for media, if you have to work with it, browse web for hours or use the same softwares over and over, it'll likely start showing burn-in.
It also depends a lot on how much you actually use your PC, I'm on it 10 hours a day but it might be different for you.

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42" 144hz WOLED LG C4
vs
32" 240hz QDOLED monitors

The question still persists.

Does one take the TV-pill and get more ports, built in sound, larger screen and also skip the DSC-related issues like the nvidia 5-15 second black screen alt tab thingy
or
Does one take the new QDOLED pill which probably is better overall but some downsides also the nvidia dsc thingy

I'm still undecided, would have bought the asus already if it was decently priced before it got fucked, the alienware has the curve, the msi is sold out on a half decent price here but still kinda shit, still waiting on discount coupon from dell which might sway the decisions

>>103247258
stop asking this every thread, you already got your answer
>QD-OLED > WOLED
>actual monitor > TV
also
>DSC
you probably don't even know why it can be an annoyance and will likely never figure it out. anyone autistic about this specifically can be outed as both a retard and a poorfag.
if anything you can just get a monitor that has a toggle for it.
>DSC-related issues
they don't exist. the alt-tab bug is ONLY with fullscreen exclusive, a mode that doesn't exist anymore since DX12 and that Windows 11 has a better solution for with universal DXGI flip model (ie. DWM bypass in Borderless).

>>103246217
what's the minimum base fps required to avoid horrendous frame gen artifacts?

>>103247309
>stop asking this every thread
the question ends when I (the only real authority) buys said product and gives my final and conclusive statement on the matter
>you already got your answer
every one has a different take everywhere, some people say the monitors are worse and can't compete in hdr and whatever and are returning their monitors and sticking with tv, other people are swapping over
>you probably don't even know why it can be an annoyance and will likely never figure it out.
I clearly stated the nvidia bug, I also forgot not being allowed to use nvidia upscaling with it enabled too.
>anyone autistic about this specifically can be outed as both a retard and a poorfag.
you are free to extrapolate on this since literally everyone does not like this
>if anything you can just get a monitor that has a toggle for it.
I would have gotten the pg32ucdm when it was price dropped for a few hours, unless it goes on harder sale in a few days again I don't think it will be able to compete with a discounted aw32 for for like 500+ cheaper
>they don't exist. the alt-tab bug is ONLY with fullscreen exclusive, a mode that doesn't exist anymore since DX12 and that Windows 11 has a better solution for with universal DXGI flip model (ie. DWM bypass in Borderless).
every single schizo mentions it every time though, even says it happens on borderless window too
I can't test I don't own dsc stuff

>>103247121
4070 ti super if you tweak your settings intensively and use DLSS

I'm kind of in need of a laptop fast for university. I don't need gaming nor editing specs.
But I'd also like it to last a bit more than my previous one that I got for ~150$ and one of the screws connecting the screen to its frame broke when I was opening it.
My budget is like 500$, can go up if there's nice deals

>>103247309
NTA, but this whole post is one of the reasons why I hate shopping for monitors. There's always some bullshit (warranted or not) that not a single reviewer will mention about the screen that could be a potentially impediment to you wanting to buy it that you only discover after the fact, and usually it's a really obscure, technical topic that only being extremely into this shit would ever make any sort of sense in relation to being confirmed or debunked.

What games justify the 4090?

Where is the current point of diminishing returns relative to the games that are out and/or coming out? I feel like most very demanding modern games suckola anyway and I dont see anything promising on the horizon. PS5 has the equivalent of like a 4060 apparently? HOW?

I don't wanna hear about amd GPUs, they're dead to me since my last one and its shitty drivers.

Any manufacturers to avoid when it comes to motherboards? I'm upgrading from an 8 year old build so fairly out the loop for whats currently reliable. It's for vidya.

>>103247150
It has a real 8 bit panel, sounds good. It's really discounted. Here it sells for way more.
https://youtu.be/xPBgtG70Ta8?t=399
Good monitor I'd say.
His Koorui panel is defective 100%, everyone else scores much lower out of box g2g.

>>103247390
Doing work with it outside of gaming justifies 4090 otherwise you're just buying bragging rights.

Hello all!
US, budget of around 15-1600. Is this a good first time-PC build?
I'm just trying to upgrade from my shitty "gaming laptop" I got that's like, a 3050

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7q3gLc

>>103245748
>AI garbage OP

>>103247121
>need
No.
4070 Ti Super has around the performance and VRAM we deserve, if it was 2/3 the price.
What you should "want" is something with 12 or more gigs of VRAM and enough performance for whatever games you like playing. 30 series is really low on VRAM, and the lower 4060/Ti is absolutely gimped.
4070 (non-Ti) Super is just about right for everything at the moment. In the least silly games you'll be at 120 fps+ easily and can hit at least 100 fps on the more intensive games with DLSS Quality.

And you can always go lower, but there's drawbacks and limits.

>>103247361
Ultra High quality with RT and without DLSS on some silly unoptimized games like Alan Wake 2 and Hogwarts Legacy do not count.

>>103247442
OP image is a Twitter filename, and given that most AI garbage on there isn't anime girls unless it's porn... I doubt. Some objects in the scene aren't drawn stupendously realistic but they aren't melting or wonky. I just see someone who put all their effort on the girl and the computer, and then a minimal amount of effort on the background because they didn't want to spend a lot of time working on it.

>>103247345
you can't really avoid artifacts. 60FPS is a decent baseline but you also need stable frame pacing (gsync, reflex etc).
>>103247358
>every one has a different take everywhere
anyone who has an opinion on this should post their QD-OLED monitor or shut the fuck up forever.
>some people say the monitors are worse and can't compete in hdr
OLED has great brightness granularity, but is absolutely unable to do full-field bright scenes. OLED TVs are better in that aspect due to their size and WOLED has less strict ABL, but if you care about daylight scenes get a miniLED.
QD-OLED dims full-field quicker but the colors have higher luminance so it evens out, WOLED boosts white very high but color luminance is low and gamut decreases as brightness gets boosted.
see the following article : https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/exploring-oled-brightness-improvements-woled-vs-qd-oled-and-the-need-for-new-metrics-and-specs
>I clearly stated the nvidia bug
and I clearly stated how it doesn't matter because running into this bug in 2024 would mean you are a retard running suboptimal settings.
>not being allowed to use nvidia upscaling
yes this one is true but I doubt you'd even care considering you're getting a 4k OLED anyways. it's mostly an annoyance for 1440p users.
just for clarification DSC disables Virtual Resolutions (ie. DSR/DLDSR), not DLSS as some think it does.
>even says it happens on borderless window too
FSE is almost entirely deprecated and is the sole display mode in which this alt-tab bug exists, anyone saying the opposite does NOT know what they're talking about (ie. retard).

stop listening to retards and poorfag copers that do not own or know shit about anything, you will go crazy trying to make sense of things.

>>103247373
people are clueless, it's really rough. OLED is even worse because a good amount of buyers are casual mouthbreathers who don't understand a thing about monitors.

Hello! US and my budget is around 1600

Will this be a decent first build? I dont plan on playing the latest slop and i just kinda want to replace my "gaming laptop" i got for my birthday thats a 3050

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

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>>103247507
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>103247529
Motherfucker it keeps happening, sorry
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4qrpb2

>>103247478
>people are clueless, it's really rough. OLED is even worse because a good amount of buyers are casual mouthbreathers who don't understand a thing about monitors.

Speaking frankly though, a lot of the time the issue is on the manufacturers. Every single monitor is different, literally. And then the problem becomes exponentially worse because of all the different panel types. Then you combine the proprietary marketing gimmicks. And then the cost. Then you need to know about this fuckin' thing or that fuckin' thing. The closest thing I could equate it to would be if for some reason DDR3, DDR4, and DDR5 RAM were all being sold at the same time, all of them were potentially valid choices, and then, somehow, the RAM had a built-in software suite that you couldn't remove and every single one was different. But also they directly impacted the RAM's performance. Oh, and the RAM could conceivably cost anywhere from between 200 to 1200 dollars, but the only thing the reviewers ever talked about was the color of the RAM and RAM clearance.

>>103247478
let's take one fairly ok youtuber like Optimum Tech and his 27aqdp review, he mentions the dsc alt tab thing there, is he retarded or is the game he's playing not allowing better settings?

https://youtu.be/fgnYCo29-Zk?t=258

>just for clarification DSC disables Virtual Resolutions (ie. DSR/DLDSR), not DLSS as some think it does.
that's what I meant

>I doubt you'd even care considering you're getting a 4k OLED anyways. it's mostly an annoyance for 1440p users.
yt schizos (plastma tvs for gaming) run it on 4k TVs though in old gaymes thou

The MSI MAG274QRF-QD E2 is pretty good. I'll probably get the MiniLED AOC monitor next if I don't buy a 7800x3d.

>>103246134
> does anyone know if they're actually A-die?
Why don't you look into the QVL of memory for your motherboard?
If you don't tell us the capacity of the kit, neither the manufacturer SKU, how are we even supposed to help?

>>103247538
Is this good? can i downgrade the video card to a different 16GB and get more storage or something?

>>103247538
What monitor do you have? 9600x is fine, why not 7700x? Get a atx 3.1 psu. 7900gre instead of 7800xt. Don't buy gay-sus boards. Look for something asrock in the same price range, b650 pro rs if cheap, or get a x870 pro rs.

>>103247395
yeah but i'd rather pay $100 for it
>>103247246
fuck off i hate big screens

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>>103247646
Here is a pic. Just a tiny part of the long list for Team Group modules tested with Asrock's Nova mobo. As you can see they list which chips are on the modules.

>>103247603
> fairly ok youtuber like Optimum Tech
that faggot with nothing but overpriced designer hardware?

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>trying to play stalker 2
>keeps hard crashing within minutes and I have to restart PC
this is an integrated graphics issue, right?

>>103247658
I dont actually have a monitor yet, but i kinda want it to be a 24in 144Hz 1920x1080 because the laptop i have is 16in 2560 x 1440 and the words are so small for me that i need to magnify it by 125%

>>103247603
>is he retarded
yeah, he is. he got outed multiple times on different subjects (mice come to mind) for being clueless.
he probably still thinks >muhcompetitive needs FSE for lowest latency which is no longer the case.

>>103247538
looks pretty balanced to me, just some ideas to "optimize" further if you care
I'd get a different mobo because this one seems expensive for a B650M. B650 Steel Legend should be around the same price and better all around, or you could also pick a cheaper mobo if you don't plan on upgrading CPU until AM6 comes up.
RAM I'd swap for a kit that does 30-36-36-76 timings out of the box (filter them out and pick the cheapest, doesn't matter).
I don't know what resolution you aim to play at, but if you have some spare budget you could try looking for a 7900GRE or 4070 Super.

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Hello anons. I have a Lian Li O11D EVO XL and I want to jump into the upright GPU trend.
Should the fans behind the GPU be intake or exhaust? Since they're cooling the backplate.
Also, would it be ideal to get the O11D EVO XL Front Mesh Kit so that the GPU can get more fresh air?
Pic related, it's what I'm planning to do, except the GPU is in upright position and with Arctic P14 Max fans.
Thanks, anons.

>>103247706
> $9000 on fans alone

>>103247700
1440p looks great on 27". I've scaled 4k to 1440p. Its looks great. Go for 27" 1440p 240Hz monitor, they are like 250bux.

>>103247706
IDK much about fan orientation. But this is a great idea. I already bought p14 pwm pst and p12 pwm pst to do the exact same thing in qube 500. I have not decided on gpu yet. Running igpu for now.

>>103247668
then sit without a monitor I guess?

>>103247735
Alright, i would have to wait until basically next month to get the monitor then

can anyone recommend me a laptop that isnt le ultra epic 144hz gayming laptop, but can still game? i cant seem to find anything with subtler specs. i still want to play games on it, but like... minecraft at a solid 60fps is all i need. i dont want 144 frames, and i dont want to pay for overkill hardware. id like the money to go toward internal storage and battery life and screen quality instead of high performance.

>>103247833
Go to /tpg/

>>103247724
Not going to commit the same mistake on that pic. Noctua fans are great when it comes to silence and performance, but I want performance and static pressure that the P14 Max provides.
>>103247766
I like the idea of full modularity on the Qube 500. Loved the reviews of it, but I settled with the O11D EVO XL because it fits my GPU.
Basically, bottom fans are supposed to be intake. Top and rear are exhaust, and front and/or side are intake.
That's how it is for traditional case setups. But since I'm going to do an upright GPU build, I wanted to ask anons about their thoughts.
>>103247700
I can vouch for 27" 1440p like anon said >>103247735 I used to have a Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD monitor that's 27" 1440p. It was a good monitor until it died.
Replaced it with an ASUS TUF 27" 1440p then moved on to ASUS ROG PG42UQ

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>>103247646
>>103247673
>into the QVL of memory for your motherboard
I already checked multiple QVL pages but they all only mention "Hynix" without the letter. MSI QVL does say it's M-die but I'm not sure if there might have been revisions, mainly because I've seen multiple users with sub 400ns tRFC which shouldn't be possible with M-die.
>capacity of the kit, neither the manufacturer SKU
Good point, I thought the capacity was obvious since it's common but I probably should have included the SKUs.
>FF4D532G6000HC30DC01 (white)
>FF3D532G6000HC30DC01 (black)

I have a new build ready to go but I'm planning to reuse my old SSD with my windows install. Has anybody tried this recently? How much of a pain is it when it comes to drivers etc?

>>103246824
>1080
You should be playing at 1440 with a 3070, shit will run better

>>103247897
Should be fine, just boot in and install the new drivers.

>>103247849
whats that?

>>103247930
thinkpad general, thread on /g/ board on 4chins.

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Should I buy the MSI MPG 321URX now or hope it goes on sale during Black Friday? I know it's probably a vain hope, but...

>>103247956
surely you are an adult and able to wait a week to check if your expensive toy is on sale right?

>>103247986
Yeah...

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>>103245748
I got a 9800X3D for 580€ (compared to the 530€ MSRP) was this a good deal?

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>Little brother has 3600x, 1050ti and 16gb ram
Would upgrading to 5800x3d and 32gb ram be solid for 1080p gaming for the next few years? Ideally until AMD releases AM6. Will be upgrading the GPU too, but waiting to see if 5000 series / RDNA 4 lead to price drops. Any recommendations on which GPU to buy as well?

>>103248044
>5800x3d
Oops guess I meant 5700x3d, cause I didn't realize the 800 was almost as much as the fucking 9800x3d.

>>103248044
5700x3D and 7800XT should do him fine for a long while at 1080p.
I wouldn't upgrade RAM for now if it's something like 3200 CL16, it doesn't really matter that much for X3D chips.

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When have a metal backplate get one of these backplate coolers, fasten it with cable ties. Using fans for the backplate doesn't make much sense for the noise/performance.

>>103248055
5700x3d is flagship, kinda and can't go with that choice. You can use it for much higher res. Have you looked at 7900GRE? What is the budget for GPU?

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>>103248079
meant for >>103247706

>>103247920
shopping for a 1440 monitor for this black Friday actually (currently have a Samsung C24FG73 that is on its last legs). Things that are important to me are decent contrast ratio, G-Sync or compatible with minimal flicker, competent motion handling, and HDR would be nice.
From what I can see, my options are:
>Entry level monitors in OP at under $200, the AOC not listed as G-Sync Compatible and the Dell has terrible contrast
>the AOC Q27G3XMN, which seems better but has some issues and not a lot of dimming zones for $280
>big fucking gap with no better alternatives that I can see
>spend $600+ on an OLED that will look great but suffer from burn-in due to my mixed gaming, programming, and music production use case
Am I missing some options here? Should I just get a cheapo 1440p to hold me over until there are better monitors on the market? Am I being too paranoid about OLED burn-in? Where are all the mini LED options?

>>103248129
>AOC not listed as G-Sync Compatible
Oops, I meant the ASRock PG27QFT2A in OP

>>103248073
I'll have to look at the ram, I built this for him a long time ago when I was like 18-19, and was pretty uninformed about timings and ideal mhz, especially since I had only previously done intel builds at that point. But I'm glad the 5700x3d will suffice.
>>103248084
Uh GPU budget probably 3-500$. I'm probably going to buy him the 5700x3d as his b-day / christmas gift since they're so close together, and then I'll see if my parents might be willing to cover the GPU, since he's a 1st year college student and is killing his courseload r/n as far as I know.

>>103248129
>minimal flicker
this alone would disqualify OLED if this is a strict requirement. VRR flicker is very much an issue on them with framerate limited menus and video players with VRR.
games rarely dip that low but could be annoying to you if you are very sensitive.
>Am I being too paranoid about OLED burn-in?
probably but it's still better to have a second monitor for persistent productivity tasks and applications. you can just get a Dell/Alienware monitor with 3 years warranty and use it somewhat worry-free.
>Where are all the mini LED options?
doa, OLED took the market by force and they're struggling at making them. they'd rather just recycle OLED panels
>>103248167
>not listed as G-Sync Compatible
this is a non-issue, nobody wishes to pay or wait for Nvidia to certify the monitors. VRR is a VESA feature, it'll work just fine.

>>103248172
7800xt then, couldn't find a 7900gre for 500bux.

>>103248006
That's how much I'll pay for the 9950x3d in a few months.

>>103247986
surely an adult wouldn't make his every post about how he's such an adult

>>103248006
and what are you using it for? compiling linux and watching porn?

>>103247688
the link is there

>>103247705
>yeah, he is
I see multiple ones mentioning it on other monitors in other gaymes
so if you open CS2 for example and run it in borderless it does not happen I guess? or OW like he was running?

>>103247879
>Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD monitor that's 27" 1440p. It was a good monitor until it died.
release date 2019
5 years.. at best
but the anti oledfags told me that lcds last 10+years/forever. really makes you think.
but I digress

>>103247956
depends what it costs now and the alternatives and if you think its gonna go on a deal

>>103248129
>but suffer from burn-in
read my reply above^

>until there are better monitors on the market?
suffering for years (or eternally) is the normal state for poorfags, you will continue to suffer eternally if this is your state of mind, your life is finite, time is running out, unironically how much of your life do you want non raytraced/poor? I say this 100% without judaic intentions
you will die grow old and reincarnate again before microled comes out or before you even have time to burn in your oled and buy a new one

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>>103248277
Watching porn and playing games on my 1080p 60fps monitor!

>>103248287
bold of me to assume anyone itt isnt a vtoddler

>>103248304
What is a vtoddler?

>>103248315
bold of me to assume anyone itt actually lurks 4chan and isnt a shitter/preddit migrant

ddr5-6400 32-39-39-102 would be better than ddr5-6000 30-36-36-96 right?

>>103248376
on intel maybe not amd

>>103246741
jonsbo and silverstone have many hot swap cases

>>103246891
60fps minimum for a game
your eyes can definitely tell the difference between 24fps footage and 60fps footage

>>103247538
Do i need a good RTX or is the CPU handle all that

>>103248402
>silverstone
too expensive here and there is no jonsbo in this country.

>be eurocuck
>talk with dell support
>all indian tech support
>they are not even hiding it
I am going to do the sneedful, sir.

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>>103248424
>there is no jonsbo in this country

>>103248283
>the anti oledfags told me that lcds last 10+years/forever
my first 144hz benq is 12 years old. 90000 hours of monitor-on time and still works as it did on its first day.
OLED would at the very least degrade in brightness and most likely will have the pixels killing themselves within 5 years.
>I see multiple ones mentioning it on other monitors in other gaymes
multiple retards do coexist
>run it in borderless it does not happen I guess?
yes, it wouldn't happen in borderless no matter the game.

just repasted my 4080 super with ptm7950 and temps are better than stock but be careful guys i cut myself on the heatsink :(

>>103248448
I used a va for 16 years too and it worked until I gave it away, but no guarantees things are gonna last
I also had burn in on it

>pixels killing themselves
this seems more plausible than burn in at this point, giant clusters dying
still seem worth regardless if we are talking sub 1k money here

>yes, it wouldn't happen in borderless no matter the game.
then why every single one kvetching...

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Which arctic fans should I buy?

From what I saw P14 argb was supposed to fix the bearings and failed then the Max version released and also did not fix that issue

Aside from RGB and speeds are there any major differences? The fans shit themselves at higher than ~1000 RPM anyway and I do not care about the lights

>>103248485
owie

I'm considering buying an Intel GPU for variety's sake, why is everyone laughing at me?

>very tempted to repaste my 5090 whenever I buy one
>will use PTM7950 to do it if I do
>terrified I will break everything and destroy my card

How do I overcome this fear?

>>103248534
>repasting brand new gpu before warranty run out
ngmi

>>103248508
Buy a noctua

>>103248529
Buy the best product for the price anon. I doubt shinel gpus are any good for the price.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/chsM8Q

Budget is $1000 in the US, looking to play new games at 1440p on med/high settings. Mainly wondering if I can do better than 5600X and 6750xt in the same price range.

>>103248534
>buying mystery goo made in gookland that needs 6 gorillion 'thermal cycles' just to compete with medium range thermal paste

It's just your instincts fighting the rest of your retard brain. Once the first thermal paste dries out just repaste with a newer 1

>>103248549
Ahktually they need to prove you did anything to damage the product to refuse respecting the warranty. The issue is you will get rekt by legal costs before you can even pay a lawyer lmao

>>103247390
you can hold the 4090 for years until games get sloppy enough from unoptimized bullshit

There's this microcenter bundle for a 7600X3D cpu, 32GB of CL36 DDR5 ram, and some midrange mobo with PCIE 4.0 for $400.

Should I get it and wait for a GPU dear on blackfriday week? Already have every other part.

>>103248568
The board looks like dogshit. get b550m steel legend or pro4. Also, wtf is msi mag, get corsair of super flower.

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>>103248529
>for variety's sake
good reasoning you've got there anon

>>103247442
AI garbage would fuck up the metallica logo and the text

>>103248595
>32GB of CL36 DDR5 ram
Nein.

>>103248609
>>103248529
For variety's sake try sucking cock lol.

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>>103248529
Do you keep your media in original format or some sort of remote dvd storage player?

>>103248619
is CL36 really that bad? The 7600 X3D version performs insanely good in gaming benchmarks and it alone is $300 msrp. Not trying to argue just genuinely asking because I don't know how PC parts deals are handled anymore

>asrock nova x870e still sold out everywhere

>>103246625
I put similar ram in the am5 system I just built, 2x24, the black version of that model

Mostly went with that model because it was priced right, and has good clearance for the noctua d15g2

No problems with it during install or error checking after

>>103245778
LG 27GP850

>>103248650
Buildzoid says yes, but IDK by how much. Why are you upgrading from 7600x3d to 7800x3d?

>>103248561
>not silent wings 4 pro

My fucking sides lmao

>>103248695
>Why are you upgrading from 7600x3d to 7800x3d
I'm not, I have a i7-11700F but this is for a complete build xmas present.

From what I heard, ram speed matters abit less with X3D cpus because the cache memory makes up difference for slower ram. Still I would like to get better ram yes

>>103247956
just wait for blacked friday

>>103248529
Cause most "people" here are tech illiterate, can't even do basic troubleshooting if something doesn't work

>had a 13700kf and asus mobo
>mobo died, figured cpu was on it's way out too
>bought a gigabyte b650 and 9700x
>randomly games will crash to black screen with audio and pc running but can't recover
could this be an issue from the cpu swap? should I just reinstall windows?

>>103248376
Yes. Even on amd.
OCed A die hynix timings > M die hynix timings

>>103248605
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/chsM8Q
Thanks, are there any other issues you saw? The amount I'm spending on the CPU and GPU seems a bit low compared to other builds I've seen but idk if that matters.

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When will Ryzen 5 increase to 8 cores?

how large and readable the content are on 4k 32'' compared to 1440p 27''? to those that had a similar upgrade path

will 4k 32'' be the deadend for a long while?

>>103248695
>>103248619
>CL36
Could you roll with 2 sticks of CL36 and get some CL30 later for the other 2 slots and be good, or would the CL36 sticks slow all 4 down or just not make sense?

>>103248774
The cpu and gpu look fine to me, but if it were me, I'd buy 5700x3d and 7900gre, that's probably a lot more though.

>>103248529
Intel GPUs are the new AMD drivers

>>103248842
DDR5, only two sticks should be used and that too from the same kit. 4 sticks should almost never be done on am5, even if you do, it should be of the same 4 stick kit. am5 and ddr5 is very picky.

>>103248749
Sounds like cpu issue.
Check voltages on HWinfo and windows logs.
Delete intel drivers if your still using same OS.

>>103247825
so should I get a 27 inch 1080p or a 27 inch 1440p?
I am worried about some stuff being too small, bit in my defence my reference point is a laptop thats 16 in 1440

the dell jeet didn't fix my voucher discount
it's over

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this isnt retarded is it

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>>103248874
>Delete intel drivers if your still using same OS.
That's what I was thinking was the issue due to these >>103247697 in event viewer.
I'm a bit tech-retarded and usually rely on specific google searches but those errors weren't giving many results, does that line up do you think?

>>103248923
Just reinstall the windows with full formatting.

>>103247538
And final question, hopefully. Do i/should i get need anything else on this before i send it to my friend to build for me?

>>103248907
This is good, do you need sfx psu? Why this cooler for arctic lf3?

>>103247143
I mean, I haven't decided I'm definitely getting it!
I think it comes down to either at 7965WX and 8x32GB RAM, or 7970X and 4x32GB of RAM. The 7965WX is leaning more towards the machine learning, but the 7970X is leaning more towards the gaming side of things (since it scores higher on the CPU benchmarks).
The GPU I was going to wait to see how the NVIDIA 5000-series cards hit the market next year.
I might just say "fuck it" and build a normal gaming desktop though, and admit I'm better off wasting my money on Azure VM's. But, fuck, the storage on Azure VM's is what grates on me. I have one that work is paying for, and it's something like $80 / mo to keep the SSD's alive even when I'm not using the VM.

>>103248923
Uninstall the Intel drivers in safe mode with DDU, might avoid you a full Windows reinstall if it fixes your issue.
There are tutorials on how to use the software, it shouldn't be too hard.

is ASUS X670E-PLUS TUF a good motherboard if you want to somewhat futureproof for PCIE 5.0 and use it with a 7600x3d or 7800 x3d?

>>103249043
To store what anon? Can you do have a local nas?

>>103249081
Yes, but why are you getting that over say nova?

>>103249105
because I've never heard of a nova and I'm trying to get a grip on current mobos

>>103243788
You probably wont get this reply, but FYI the laptop you chose has a battery life of 6 hours vs 28 hours the macbook pro m4 has (BUT the macbook pro is 3x more expensive I think, and only 16gb of ram and 500gb storage). but it's possible the newer version of the victus 15 is 10 hours, since that's the battery life of the 16" laptop released in 2024 (I can't tell if that's from the size or from the ryzen CPU, it's probably both).
Honestly I thought crossover was free but it's like $60 a year, holy shit (there are frequent discounts down to like $6 for a year + you can keep the version you paid for, so if you stop paying you keep it). Alternatives do exist however but it probably requires more tinkering.
The main reason I suggest mac is because I don't have an optimistic view of windows future, and I think you are going to really like the display.
You don't sound too serious about gaming (I doubt you would need more than 500gb for the games you are playing), and I think if you use crossover, it's not going to be hard to get most games running.
I hate how expensive it is, like I said, if you use your desktop more than your laptop, invest in a better desktop display (oled/miniled?), if you think your laptop will be niche use, then get the cheapest laptop that does the job. Your laptop gives around 2x more fps than a ryzen laptop without a GPU (760m/680m), the the m4 (4060 equivilant in theory) has 2x more fps than the 3050.
So the macbook pro has a chance of being a replacement for your desktop if you REALLY like it (mainly due to the display), but maybe you don't.
There are lenovo yogabooks I have heard that have 30hours of battery life (probably zero gpu power), but I don't know.

>>103248907
If you think this is retarded, you don't want to see my build

>>103249091
The operating system and models and shit. Those machine-learning VMs use the ultra-premium storage on Azure, because they assume if you're using an H100 you're going be demanding 10Gbit storage access.
Meanwhile I'm just pissed off how long configuring the VM took (why doesn't it ship with the right drivers???) and don't want to redo that every time I spin it up. So if work doesn't complain about floating that $80 / mo then fine, but fucked if I want to pay that for personal use.

>>103249012
i was originally aiming for an mitx build and would like to in the future, but thats a bit too spendy right now. just one less thing to upgrade/keep laying around once i do change things. the frozen edge came out $50 cheaper than the lf3; i can put either in my current build once the mitx upgrade happens, so cost was the biggest factor.

>>103249130
Ok, then there Nova is great, one of the best, but its in short supply. If you go a tier higher, ther is taichi lite. If you want to go cheaper, x870 pro rs is a good choice, I have this one. b650e = x870 also x670=x870e.

>>103249132
actually nevermind, the m4 base is actually identical to the 3050, the m4 pro is like a 4060.

I built my current system in 2018 planning to get 5 solid years out of it, I thought Star Citizen would be a playable game by the time I wanted to upgrade anything - lol, lmao. Did my overclocking, stability tested, and haven't messed with anything since. It's been perfectly reliable. I'm driving. 1440p primary @ 120hz and a 1080p secondary at 60hz.

>Asus Maximus VIII Ranger
>i7-6700k @ 4.60GHz
>4x8GB DDR4 3400
>EVGA GTX1080 @ 2088MHz / 5027MHz

It's still going strong for most of the games I play, but just starting to show it's age a little bit with some of the more demanding games. I've had to turn some graphics settings down to get stable framerates for the first time this year.

I was thinking I'd wait for the Nvidia 5000 series to upgrade. Obviously I'll need a new mobo, CPU, and GPU. Can I just stick with my current RAM though? I know DDR5 is the new thing, but will motherboards capable of supporting the latest CPUs be backwards compatible with DDR4 and will it cause any meaningful bottleneck? I still feel like 32gb is enough, so I don't want to replace anything that isn't going to be a significant performance improvement.

>>103249172
Like an Asrock Nova? Afaik those aren't AM5 socket mobos

>>103247705
>he probably still thinks >muhcompetitive needs FSE for lowest latency which is no longer the case.
the display guy aka graphically challanged constantly mentions the dsc fuckery too, and even swapped to a amd gpu for a while because of it or other things too
mentioned constantly with tvs and monitors
so is every techtuber retarded, even displaytubers?

>>103249260
They are, search for asrock x870e nova.

>>103249240
you can get a 12600k and disable e cores

>>103249240
DDR4 and 5 are not interchangeable
you must get DDR5

>>103249273
>every techtuber retarded, even displaytubers?
probably

>>103245748
why do my case fans vibrate and make the floor pulsate?
they're antec 30mm thick fans and it's too late to return them.

>>103249405
probably a wire poking into the fan.

>>103249300
God that's so fucking gay. I'll need to buy hundreds of $ worth of RAM for zero practical performance improvement and the RAM I already have will literally never go bad.
>>103249291
Maybe this is the way I'll go, depending on what the CPU market looks like when the 5000 series drops. Any suggested motherboards for a 12600k?

>>103248566
what is the best in slot GPU around 300ish brouzouf?

>>103249422
>Any suggested motherboards for a 12600k?
Get one that has the VRM and i/o holes you want

Please stop fucking only recommending terminally out of stock motherboards. This general needs to have more options other than "get these two ASRocks that are in stock for 1 minute every couple of days."

>>103249480
sure is hard googling am5 spreadsheet and picking another board with equivalent vrm or better

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>>103245748
What kind of discounts should burgerland expect or hope for the 9900x come black friday/cyber monday?

>>103249480
only the nova and b650 steel legend are out of stock, every other asrock mobo is available everywhere.
they're all good, the 2 above are just the best out of their price category

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>>103249338
seems strange when so many report on it, casual tv fags, esportsplaying fags, regular fags

why is Asrock so much more preferred as opposed to, say, Asus or gigabyte?

>>103249429
not anon, but:
6650 xt or 4060.
the 4060 is a bit better and a bit more expensive.
if you want to do AI buy a 12gb 3060, it's a bit worse than the 6650 XT but you get what you paid for.

>>103249540
uhh microcenter bundle maybe?

>>103249577
pricing

>>103249577
- Gay-sus has gone full anti-consumer for one. Their high end boards are really good, but their price make no sense.
- MSI is sucking shintel cock and they are slipping
- Gigabyte is still very good, but slightly higher priced compared to asrock for the same features.
- AsBigDick is providing great features at killer price.

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>>103249609
No bundles for the 9900x right now, though the 9700x bundle looks decent. Does microcenter usually add more bundles for BF/CM?

is the ASRock X870 Pro RS a good mobo for an AM5 socket gayming mobo? To be used with a 7600X3D.

I am trying to find a mobo to get someone at microcenter to swap out for the mobo in this bundle and pay the difference. (swapping out a ASUS TUF Gaming B650 Plus for it). Any other suggestions help too.

>>103249667
it depends how poorly the product is selling and how much supply was produced.
they might time it, or they might not.

>>103248508
Well, apparently, Arctic released several revisions of the P12 PWM PST. I've found that it's in Rev. 4 now, which means it's using Fluid Dynamic Bearings. It used to be Ball Bearings from what I've read.
Some people said that P12 Max uses Rifle Bearing, but according to Arctic's website, it uses FDB. So I guess it'll be better to wait for Rev. 2?
I'm planning on buying P14 Max myself once Arctic releases the white version. They announced it on their subl*ddit, and they're selling it on their own website. But it's not yet on Amazon.
Non-RGB P12 also has higher static pressure.
4.35 mmH2O for P12 Max
1.85 mmH2O for P12 PWM PST
1.85 mmH2O for P12 PWM PST ARGB

>>103249074
I can't even get into the boot menu for safe mode because I get a "your PC needs to be repaired" error with winload.efi
I'm thinking reinstall might be my only choice

>>103249273
The display guy is actually retarded

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Get your bodies ready for Asrock PSUs.

>>103249736
>no SFX in any lineups
yeah straight to the ignore list

>>103248979
https://www.amazon.com/AOC-24G15N-1920x1080-Frameless-Zero-Bright-Dot/dp/B0CPHW5JQY?th=1

is this better or the mini LED better? What is the difference?

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>>103249736
>thin flat cables including main atx
You have my attention

>>103249600
what do you "do" with AI?

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>>103249700
My wallet is already bleeding hence I will likely shell out for the silent wings 4 because other competitors are either out of stock or worse in general

Fucking around with revisions is not something I plan on doing since the vast majority of seller descriptions are very vague and I have no idea which 'batch' I would end up purchasing

The funniest thing is their III 420mm AIO (I plan on buying the 9950X3D) is out of the stock and every other brand is either twice the price or does not have 420mm. Fun stuff

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>>103249711
so everyone is retarded, seems sussy
I'm kinda not feeling like I want curved now actually, might give up on the AW32
tired

>>103249736
sry im a seasonic diehard

>>103249770
it's VA. It's fine, I bet it's the same VA as the miniled panel so it's going to be darker than IPS without huge smearing like last gen ultra-budget VA's (but IPS is still better for clarity over contrast).
miniled is great if you spend a LOT of time in the dark, but you might notice zone artifacts while browsing the web, and you might decide to turn it off while you are not gaming / watching movies.
Also I would add, AMD is fine, but you are picking AMD because you prefer AMD as a brand, not due to being better bang per buck, the 7800 XT does not have a huge cost advantage over the 4070, and muh dlss.
>>103249794
load a card in silly tavern and be dominated by my mom.

>>103249842
the magenta glow is really obvious on glossy QD-OLEDS

>>103249887
Matte ones (not really as matte as you think, ie. IPS) eliminates that

>>103249855
>the 7800 XT does not have a huge cost advantage over the 4070, and muh dlss
then what would you recommend to swap it out for then?

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>>103249887
I've seen the qdoleds irl but not compared them vs glossy woled tvs but they were fine under light but then again I did not see them back to back and also am used to total dog shit displays

>>103249893
are you the samsung qdoled matte shill? the 4k g80 is also priced could and could be good and seems you can turn off the smart tv pop ups with a service remote too so idk maybe
highest rated on rtings
it's been selling out like hot cakes on all stores for 860€ too, priced slightly cheaper than the aw32 without a discount directly from dell too...

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>>103249574
>casual tv fags, esportsplaying fags, regular fags
notice how none of these overlap? that's why nobody knows the intricacies of these monitors. if borderless didn't work properly everyone would be shitting and pissing their pants about it.
anyways see webm related if you care, french but should be obvious enough

>>103249893
>Matte ones eliminates that
no they don't, same issue but slightly different looks. QD-OLEDs don't even look purple irl unless they directly reflect light, ambient lighting just raises black level

>>103249929
I just said 4070.
Like I'm sure there are good reasons to stick with AMD, but to me they are equal GPU's, but 75% of people on steam use nvidia... I just want to make sure you aren't faking yourself out thinking the 7800 XT is equal to a 4080 or something.

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looking to buy a new Nvidia GPU that I can just plug in and not think about upgrading for like 5 years.

there's these two 4080 super I can find on sale discounted by ~$130 (8.000 kr. is about $1.130)
for reference a 4070 super would cost $980 here.
so the difference is about $150

but would it be overkill for 1440p gaming paired with 7800X3D & 32GB RAM? (I'm from Denmark btw)

>>103249577
ASRock is now good

>>103249929
>>103249980
*also if you feel like waiting 3 months and buying on day 1, the 5070 will give you a tiny inch better performance than the 4070, with all the risks of possible unforeseen issues of buying a GPU before getting reviews.
The hardware is identical, you can only pray it costs exactly the same as a 4070 super.

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>>103250028
If you want an honest answer the 4090 is already obsolete and a 1440p card. If you want to have ~4 years of peace wait till January and shell out for the 5090

Otherwise you will cry yourself to sleep due to buyers remorse and FPS overlay trauma

>CPU's only been running at stock settings
>recently started getting random reboots with no errors
>disabled C-states
>problem gone
Does this mean the CPU is degraded? Could my board be overvolting it at stock and also underreporting the voltages?

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>>103249953
>notice how none of these overlap? that's why nobody knows the intricacies of these monitors. if borderless didn't work properly everyone would be shitting and pissing their pants about it.
everyone already does and keep mentioning dsc as the culprit

>research the samsung G8
>latest firmware has "Improved dp blackouts" not "solved"
so every single monitor is fucked, probably had dsc fuckups too with the connection if it has blackouts
at this point every single tech is experimental

idk that C4 42" seems more and more tempting

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>>103249828
Check out Scythe Kaze Flex 140mm Square.
It has two variants

>>103250028
wait for the game, then buy the GPU.
it's amazing how a 4060 can run pretty much every AAA game above 60 fps at medium/high settings, 120fps on low+dlss (while a 9800x3d gives you 120fps because of retarded CPU bottlenecks, so it wouldn't even matter if you had a 5090).

>>103250229
ngl im pretty retarded so i have no idea what you mean dawg can you dumb it down for me?

>>103250160
>keep mentioning dsc as the culprit
dsc isn't even annoying for alt-tabs, you can literally see it takes 2 secs and that's about it. people are clueless
>so every single monitor is fucked
you're overthinking it, it's likely you won't even run into any issues of your own.
don't bother with OLED at all if you think everything will be a problem, you won't even appreciate the display
>C4 42" seems more and more tempting
as I've already told you before, it has crazy green tint and it's just worse as a monitor, but you do you

Silent wings pro 140 or nawk tuah(no g2's yet lol)

>>103249736
Is there really that many people that don't understand rebrands or care that much about having the same brand components?

PSUs are a commodity item, is there an unspoken rule as to not undercut each other? the only way I can see companies still entering the market for power supplies is there is basically some guaranteed margin they expect

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>>103245748
Water cooled builds are stupid. They make a lot of noise and cost too much money. Air is free.

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>>103249828
Just watched this review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIXL89IWXvE
So it looks like Arctic went with Fluid Dynamic Bearings immediately on the P14 Max. They learned from their mistake with the P12 and P12 Max.
It was a mistake because lots of customers complained about the noise that the Dual Ball Bearings make inside the P12 and P12 Max, so much so that it took 4 revisions of the P12, and 2 revisions of the P12 Max to get it right.
One of the comments said that he has a Rev. 1 and Rev. 2 P14 Max, which might indicate that the Rev. 2 was meant to fix the mistake on the packaging.

Sorry if this is a stupid question. I want to swap out my current SSD for a larger one as my current SSD is running out of space. What would I need/need to know to go about doing that? The most experience I have with my PC is installing new RAM sticks, so this is all a bit new to me.

>>103250394
I think it's less for customers and more for the brand itself. Means they can use their "own" stuff in prebuilts and promotional material. Like you said it's a commodity market so commissioning Great Wall or whoever to do a run won't break the bank.

>>103250504
Is your current SSD on a cable or is it attached directly to the motherboard?

>>103250535
It's attached to the motherboard.

>>103250292
lower settings = higher fps.
wanting high graphics is all in your head (and the same could be said about wanting fps's higher than X).

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>>103250480
Thanks for the info. I saw that the arctic fans have issues below 900RPM so the bequiet fans still look better and T30 from phanteks are still not sold as 140mm hence my options are limited either way

>>103250162
Looks like there are only a few vendors selling those in my area

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>>103250434
My water cooled build is quieter than air and keeps my temps way more stable, but it did cost too much money. I spent almost $800 on cooling parts, but most of them will last basically forever. The other big problem is that there is a ton of fuddlore about water cooling and lots of bad advice about flow rate, etc. Because I installed lots of sensors I was able to tune my setup for most effective cooling and it follows almost none of the 'advice' you'll see out there.

>you need less coolant flow than you think
>anything but distilled with simple anticorrosion and biocide, or a clear premix is a meme
>max size radiators and put them between heat generating components
>more, better fans at a lower speed
>scale fan speed on coolant temp, not chip temp

It's probably not worth it on a pure dollar value basis, but I enjoyed setting my system up and it has been ultra reliable. My controller, radiators, pump, etc will probably never die.

>>103250555
Alright thanks.
I'll start by saying you should probably just add a drive instead of replacing your current one. If it's a gaming/web/office PC then a SATA drive will be fine if you don't have a spare M.2 slot.
Let us know if you need a larger NVMe and have no spare slot.

>>103250578
Clean your case.

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>>103250555
NTA yet buy the samsung 990 pro or 980 pro if you have a budget. If you do not care about money shell out for a gen 5 drive yet cooling them might be an issue and even top end motherboards do not include more than 2 slots

>>103250578
The main issue with watercooling is the upkeep. Every single time you upgrade CPU and GPU you will need new water blocks and if you use hard tubing you will need to adjust it etc etc. A lot of stuff takes weeks to arrive and draining loops can be tiresome

>>103250624
There is no reason to buy SATA since NVME cost the same and have much better performance. What you should look at is your motherboard manual and see if it does lane splitting. If you have no idea what that is just post the model name here and hope some anon checks it out and gives you info

>>103250624
Thanks for the responses.

I was under the impression that many games needed to be installed on the C drive in order to work properly and that other programs and such also run on the assumption of being on that drive. Is that just a misunderstanding on my part and moving Steam to another drive wouldn't cause any issues of that nature?

It is a gaming PC, and I need an SSD rather than a SATA because I have multiple games that require an SSD. How would I check whether or not I have a spare M.2 slot?

>>103250650
Appreciate the input. My motherboard is made by Gigabyte and the model is B560 DS3H AC-Y1.

>>103248595
It's worth it. Even if you buy CL30 sticks and resell the ones from the bundle you're way ahead of buying shit separately. The bundle makes the 7600x3d like $160

Nons of microcenters bundles have an asrock mobo, is asus really that bad?

>>103249736
I actually nice that someone posts a watercooled build that isn't some retarded luxury build.

>>103250650
>the main issue with watercooling is the upkeep. Every single time you upgrade CPU and GPU you will need new water blocks
You can just get new mounting hardware like any air cooler for most CPU blocks.
They also make quick disconnects so you can swap things without draining the loop.
GPU blocks are also quite cheap compared to what AIBs charge for a good cooler nowadays. You can build an ok loop for what Asus wants for a strix over MSRP, you can build a damn good loop for what they want for a matrix

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>>103250753
Everything should work on all drives it's just that a lot of programs and games write stuff to the C: drive like save and config files etc etc

SATA is SSD just like NVME and there is nothing physically stopping you from launching anything on a 2006 HDD for example it would simply be unusable due to the loading times

Looks like your motherboard has 2 m2 slots and no lane splitting hence you can just add another NVME without issues

>>103250753
>many games needed to be installed on the C drive in order to work properly
Might have been a thing in the distant past but I've personally had no problems running them off other drives. You'll want to keep the core Steam files on C: but Steam will let you designate other drives for game storage.

>programs also run on the assumption of being on that drive
Yes there will be some, but not many, programs that expect to be on C: but you should have ample space for them once you migrate your games to D:

>It is a gaming PC, and I need an SSD rather than a SATA
SATA is just the interface - you can buy SSDs that use it. Indeed, until recently they were the norm.
In any case, I believe your board has 2 M.2 slots so you can take your pick here. Though you don't need the best of the best like the other anon suggested.

As far as what to do, you need to install your new SSD per the instructions, activate it, then format it. Then you can use Steam to migrate your games over and install new ones on it.

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Is the ASUS TUF 7900xtx good choice for an 7900xtx? The local micro center is running a deal on them that makes them as cheap as any other 7900xtx. The reviews of the model are good but I'm afraid of ASUS's reputation on warranties. Should I get the TUF or should I go with with an XFX?

>>103250845
>>103250877
I see. How would I find where the second M.2 slot is though so I'd know where to install the new drive? Is there any notable reason to buy the version of the Samsung 990 with a heatsink? If I did buy that, would I need to apply my own thermal paste?

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>>103250941
They are right here homie. They already have heatsinks. You don't need them. Just put the cover back over it. Done.

>>103250574
Here's a video comparing the P12 and P12 Max.
It shows the sound that Dual Ball Bearing makes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQDJBl32QZ0

>>103250941
>How would I find the second M.2 slot
Read the manual or just look at the board. It's not that big.

>Is there any reason to buy the version of the Samsung 990 with a heatsink?
There's no reason to buy that drive for a gaming PC. It won't make your games load faster.
If you were doing something that could benefit from its speed, i.e. huge file transfers, then you would want some sort of heatsink.

>>103250824
It's fine, just poorly priced outside of the bundle. I'm happy with it. Decent VRMs. The ram is the only bad part of the bundles

>get new fans
>they aren't threaded
>have to screw the fans in manually, creating the threading as I do so
>strip half of the screws in the process

But why

>>103250890
Several anons recommended a PowerColor Hellhound card when I asked about Radeon manufacturers a while ago, maybe check if they have those at a comparable price?
Otherwise Sapphire have a reputation for being the EVGA of AMD cards.

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>>103250877
NTA yet the first slot is gen 4 and the second gen 3 so unless you want to upgrade the motherboard swap your existing drive to slot 2 and buy a new gen 4 drive for slot 1

Buying gen 5 will not improve anything since you will be limited by gen 4 speeds. There are plenty of guides online for buying SSDs and again the safe bet is a samsung 990 pro yet there are other brands with similar quality for cheaper

>>103250890
ASUS cards are usually 1 of the best especially their ROG series. With that being said why buy a card now? The 5000 series is coming out in January and you will be able to purchase a 4080 super at a decent discount or buy a newer AMD card

>>103250941
I was in the process of writing a semi-detailed response yet >>103250953 basically said what I was going to say anyway

NVME drives do not require heat sinks unless you use gen 5 yet again the cooler the better, around 50c is the sweet spot depending on the exact drive. There is no need for thermal paste and most motherboards should have plenty of heat sinks preinstalled hence there is no need to buy SSDs with OEM heat sinks

>>103250964
Thanks once again

>>103250971
NTA yet to be specific 99% of the stuff you use benefits most from random read speeds which have stagnated in SSDs anyway. A SATA is barely slower than a NVME in games yet in terms of copying files over from 1 drive to another the difference is huge yet BOTH drives need to have similar speeds to not be bottlenecked

>>103250980
Vicious commodity market where saving 0.01¥ per unit is the difference between profitability and ritual suicide.

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>>103247885
Found the module. picrel. Only Hynix named. In this case the manufacturer, TEAM, reserves the right to use any type of Hynix chips. Whatever is left from production of other modules. If I remember correctly we had similar happening before with Samsung A- and B-die chips. There is no guarantee that this model comes with a particular type of Hynix chip. Rated at 6000CL30 they wouldn't need the very best chips anyway. What do you hope for by knowing the chip type? If you insist on the very best you need to get modules specced 6000CL28(Trident Z5 Royal Neo) or 8200CL38 (Patriot Viper XTREME) but I think this would be a waste of money. 6000CL30 is perfectly fine and you should rather get more capacity like 2x24GB.

>>103246217
>Stalker 2
>Monster hunter wilds
Yeah it's fucking over,.all devs are just taking the piss

>>103251045
...and as you can see it has neiter XMP nor EXPO profile!

>>103251045
Are there any 64gb 28cl kits?

>>103246217
Stalker 2 runs like a dismembered minesweeper.

>>103246224
He has a single sided kit, yours is DS.

>>103251000
They have the Hellhound as well but it has lower stock boost clocks than the other 2. The TUF is interesting to me because it has a huge 4 slot cooler and it normally would be $150+ more than the cheaper cards but is on sale right now. I am just afraid of ASUS considering all the recent RMA drama.

>>103251087
>Stalker 2 runs like a dismembered minesweeper
gotta wait for 5090 then to get the smooth frames

>>103246228
> How much do RAM timings matter?
Not enough to pay the insane premium for CL28. Get decent CL30 and be happy.

>>103246254
If it can't be modded (woke off) I will boycott it.

>>103251019
>With that being said why buy a card now?
I don't have a gaming PC yet and I am going to have less time next year so I want to enjoy it now. I won't be too shaken up if I overpay by a couple hundred bucks vs waiting. Additionally, I want AMD for the linux support and their next gen cards may not even be much if any better than the 7900xtx. Plus last gen cards mean more stable drivers.

>>103246835
> 60+
Anons here will demand at least 120+. In other words the game is unplayable with current hardware.

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>>103251045
>TEAM, reserves the right to use any type of Hynix chips
Kinda what I figured, I'll remove the heatsink when I receive them to confirm once and for all.
>What do you hope for by knowing the chip type?
Curiosity and they're incredibly cheap right now in EU with the Ali sales (ordered a kit for 69€), so if they're A-die it's a crazy good deal.
>>103251056
>it has neiter XMP nor EXPO profile
Definitely has both XMP and EXPO, pic related is a Thaiphoon screen from reviews.

>>103250953
Ah sorry, I was blind.

>>103250971
>>103251019
So the listings on Amazon for example that say with heatsink aren't really necessary strictly speaking?

>the first slot is gen 4 and the second gen 3 so unless you want to upgrade the motherboard swap your existing drive to slot 2 and buy a new gen 4 drive for slot 1
Checking online I found "M2P_CPU slot should be PCIe Gen 4 Type 22110" and "the M2A_SB will be PCIe Gen 3 Type 2280". It looks like my current NVMe is installed in the M2A_SB slot. So I'd just need to make sure the gen 4 NVMe I buy is specifically Type 22110 and I should be fine right?

Would I need anything other than a screwdriver to install a new NVMe?

Thanks again for all the help anons.

>>103250980
>Screwing in fans rather then using silicone fasteners
Ngmi.

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-third-quarter-fiscal-2025

Record quarterly revenue of $35.1 billion, up 17% from Q2 and up 94% from a year ago

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

>>103251183
*or can I buy an NVMe that is lower in number than Type 22110 and still be ok?

>>103251118
The 28cl kits near me barely cost more than 30cl. The real markup is on ram above 32gb

>>103251150
Go for it with the understanding you will live with buyers remorse and grind your teeth while watching next gen benchmarks

>>103251183
No the heat sinks are just a gimmick most dudes take off because they are incompatible with heat sinks integrated into motherboards

The exact type does not really matter since a gen is a gen. There should be zero compatibility issues

And aside from a screw nope. No worries btw and if you have more questions feel free to ask

>>103251183
Anon, just to make this crystal clear, the performance difference in gaming and general use between SATA, PCIe 3, PCIe 4, and PCIe 5 is not perceptible. Also PCIe is cross-compatible. A Gen4 drive will work in a Gen3 slot and vice-versa. You don't need to worry about that stuff. Buy it, install it, format it, migrate SteamApps.

>Would I need anything other than a screwdriver
No.

>can I buy an NVMe that is lower in number than Type 22110
Yes. That's just the max length. Most drives are 2280 i.e. 80mm long.

>>103251176
> Definitely has both XMP and EXPO, pic related is a Thaiphoon screen from reviews.
Strange. These might not be the same modules that ASrock tested. Or Asrock just did a terribly sloppy job by not noting the presence of the profiles in their QVL. I suspect that manufacturers of motherboards are given memory to test that may not be identical with the final production units. But it could be a mistake on anyone's side here. You will soon know.

>>103251269
NTA yet make sure to not format your drive as microsoft storage device. Tons of compatibility issues

Use the manage disks tool instead of the control panel

And yeah the difference in games between SSD types and generations is very small. Basically a few milliseconds

>old nfa14 almost as expensive as new silent wings pro 4
Kek what the fuck

>>103251325
+ tip for black paint Chud

Third-quarter Gaming revenue was $3.3 billion, up 14% from the previous quarter and up 15% from a year ago.

/g/ BTFO AND IN SHAMBLES

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>>103251304
Just have to pray I don't completely fuck the sticks up when pulling off the heatsink.

>>103251245
> The 28cl kits near me barely cost more than 30cl
I have serious doubts about this. Could you provide a link please?
Don't just compare to modules of the same brand but across all brands.

>>103251355
UK, I looked thru amazon and overclockers etc etc. Importing from the US is cheaper than buying locally btw lmao

AAAAAH MY MOBO AND RAM WONT BE HERE TIL DECEMBER WTF ALI EXPRESS

whats a good cheap psu for a 13600k a770 htpc build? Current ones died could i get away with a 850w?

>>103249707
>reinstalled windows
>fully updated all drivers
>stalker 2 still crashes
at least event viewer is just giving me no errors this time instead of intel errors I guess
I give up

>>103251073
They were announced by G.Skill but never saw the light of day:

https://www.gskill.com/community/1502239313/1722321351/G.SKILL-Announces-Ultra-Low-Latency-DDR5-6000-CL28-DDR5-Memory-Kits

>>103251487
Fuck. It's over

>>103250362
>dsc isn't even annoying for alt-tabs, you can literally see it takes 2 secs and that's about it. people are clueless
All I know people have been complaining about it so long and it introduces more issues too like we discussed
And it must be monitor dependant since it seems to be janky with other monitors too, blackout issues and things are not uncommon on other displays too, monitors and tvs due to various issues

>you're overthinking it
Don't think so too many things to consider and get annoyed by

>before, it has crazy green tint and it's just worse as a monitor,
Have you used it in comparison or are you just quoting online people?
Can't you calibrate it, is it panel variance?
Maybe, depends, it has pros and cons
Aw32 Is curved
Samsung is matte, has smart tv annoyances, silver border
Msi has questionable or not firmware, also priced higher
Asus must be overall the best but high price unless there is a crazy drop I might wait for and see if it goes on sale I might get it
Gigabyte not on sale don't know anything about it

Asus > msi > gigabyte? > Dell=Samsung

C4 42 cheaper than all, unless coupon starts working for dell then it will be cheaper

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