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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CPU
Gaming: 12400, 7600, 9800X3D; for existing AM4 users: 5700X3D
Workstation: 265K, 9900X, 9950X

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge/Arctic Liquid Freezer III, Hyte THICC Q60
Double towers: ID-Cooling FROZN A620 PRO SE, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer/Steel Legend, cheap X870, X870E Nova

>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30
Workstation/high end: consider 2x48GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580
Mid range: NM790
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro (Windows only), SN850X
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5

>GPU
1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
1440p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7900 GRE
2160p: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XTX
Workstation: RTX 4000 Series

>CASE (from $ to $$$)
mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/III
AVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases

>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
Mid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max load
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
AVOID: GAMEMAX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)

>MONITOR
1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D
4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
High end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)

Previous: >>103270907
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Asrock are the new Evga
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dual mode sounds good on paper, or is there some drawback on the added complexity for monitors?
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>>103276455
>AI on 12 gigs
xdd
How is arc with RT anyway? Worse or better than AMD?
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Please Jensen sama, release the 5090 in December before those tariffs hit
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>>103276492
wouldn't it be smarter to wait for tariffs to jack up MSRP with a good excuse?
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>>103276492
Won't happen until CES, which is on the 5th. Inauguration is on the 20th. Tariffs probably won't go into effect until the middle of the year. The problem is that the partners probably won't release their cards until then, purposefully. Pray you can get a Founder's Edition. Pray.
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>>103276492
Stop buying their overprized shit every generation and maybe we'll eventually get a 90 card at a reasonable price, even after tariffs.
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how do you guys allocate the money between monitor vs GPU?
back then it used to be overspending for higher refresh rates, but man i find it difficult to spend more than $500 for a monitor for some reason
closer to $1000 shouldnt i just be buying a TV instead at that range
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>>103276512
Why CES? It won't make a fuck all difference
We all want the damn card..
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>>103276530
You're a funny guy.
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>>103276530
Radeon shovelware is poopoo tho
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>>103276537
Thanks, I try my best.
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I like to buy the best product you can get from a company so I went with AMD with the 7900XTX for cheaper
$700-$800 now with the sales :)
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Already have everything for my new build but the processor. Using my 4080 Super and nvme ssd from my current computer.
9800X3D ordered on Nov 8th, hopefully Amazon sends the thing before Christmas at least.
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>>103276536
That's when they'll do the announcement with Jensen on stage and so forth. They know that they are going to sell out of the 5000 series cards that they drop when they're announced, so doing the announcement before Christmas is retarded as no one will buy a 4000 series. So long as they keep the date up in the air, they can continue to sucker idiots into buying overpriced 4000 series cards until they rugpull them with the announcement.
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Is OLED jewish propaganda
Good IPS panel is enough right
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>>103276559
OLED? Yes. QD-OLED? No. There's a reason why you will struggle to find a regular OLED with any kind of burn in warranty.
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>>103276571
But will it last 10 years
Im a buy it for life type if its possible
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>>103276577
Just buy IPS or Mini-LED then if you're worried.
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>>103276558
They could release it now and like, nothing different will happen, at all.
They do not need CES
I just don't understand the hesitation
They could light every 4090 up in flames
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>>103276490
So far with Intel’s current “best” card the A770, it’s about on even footing with the RX 6700 XT and the RTX 3060. In some games it edges out a frame or two, in others it falls behind, it’s a hard card to judge because the card’s performance profile swings wildly in rasterized performance. Sometimes it’s competitive at its tier in low-entry midrange, other times it can trail behind the RX 6600 XT.
In theory it’s slightly more capable than AMD, but nobody knows for sure because Intel never released any powerful GPUs.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/KaboomIsCool/saved/mcTBTW
usd 700 - 800, usa
friend primarily will want it for elden ring and maybe black myth wukong
he wants a pc, wants to keep the case, and he can get a video card and m.2ssd for cheaper through his dad's company costs, case is the one thing he wants to keep
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>>103276598
Why make less money when you can make more? They have stock of 4000 series cards they need to move. There will only be a finite amount of 5080/90 cards when they drop them, and Nvidia always has their partners turn off the spigot after they start to drop their new cards. Just cope and wait until the beginning of January. You're going to get the FE anyways, so whinging over a few weeks isn't going to change fuck of shit.
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>>103276614
The thing is, it's also hitting that level of performance while using a better node N6 and double the silicon at 406mm2, theoretically it should be on par with the RX6800 for the silicon used not the RX6600XT It's nowhere near as capable as AMD.
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>>103276489
nope, they just use 1:4 pixel ratio, no complexity at all
they have to go 1080p for 480hz because there is no protocol to run that much data yet at 4k
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What's the best inexpensive monitor at around 19 inches? I don't have a lot of space for a second monitor and my old Samsung 710N that I've had for 20 years died on me.
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>>103276577
10? no. it may last 5 years of office if you run dark theme in everything and use 120cd/m2 SDR brightness.
HDR it will last 3 years for sure. I mean 12h a day use, not a baby 3-4h gaming.
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>>103276598
>I just don't understand the hesitation
they don't have the cards, moron
GDDR7 is in a very short supply, expect paper launch because prosumers will grab this shit even for $3k since it's way cheaper than quadros
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>>103276759
they stopped making monitors this small 15 years ago.
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>>103276535
I use a $150 1080p monitor with a 4090. Yes, really.
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>>103276759
You only get industrial 4:3 in that size nowadays. Get some office shit from a pawn shop
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any leaks for something like battlemage b780?
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>>103276682
The A770 is just a bizarre card all around. On paper the specs are pretty good and there’s a handful of games where it does pretty well like Dying Light 2 and Hogwarts Legacy, especially in the RT modes. Sometimes the performance is able to scale moderately well at higher resolutions compared to the cards in its price bracket. But it’s so wildly inconsistent and it’s impossible to know if this is down to Intel’s lacklustre drivers, a lack of developer interest to optimize due to Intel’s non existent dGPU market share, or the individual game engines just not playing nicely with Intel’s architecture.
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>>103276789
if theya ren't lat this time around, they may compete in mid range
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>>103276455
What are possible use cases for these in a pc build?
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>>103276535
It just depends. What's the goal? My friend who I am helping build now is spending the same on both because he wants a 5080 (assuming $999 MSRP) and $$880 on an 4K 240 OLED. TV's are really only an alternative when you are thinking about 4K 120 but this kinda mid-range at this point considering 27" 1440 240-360 OLED is $600-700 and 32" 4K 165-240hz is $700-900. 4K 120 tv's are typically always $700+ with worse PPI and WOLED not QD-OLED so dimmer too. If you are sitting close to it you wouldn't want a TV as it would look worse and hurt your head.
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>>103276784
You're a retard
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>>103276798
took a bit of thinking but im guessing for airflow
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>>103276798
Incense amplification.
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would it be stupid to go for the 4K 165hz panel instead of the newer 4K 240hz (the one i was told was the same panel across all brands)
price is in CAD, it's ~cad$300 cheaper than the 240hz alternative that i'll never be able to reach anyways
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>>103276535
Monitor is your direct window in the media you prefer to consume. It doesn't matter if all you do is look at text. I kept my monitor for 10y only because it has 1.2 deltaE out of box and 0.11 black point at 1200:1 contrast. Now when OLEDs in play I am changing it.
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>>103276530
why do tariffs have to exist to begin with
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So is a 4070 super good enough for 1440p these days?
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>>103276823
no, it's the only decently prices 32" screen.
Samsung G8 is alright if its in heavy sale, but it got popular so nobody discounts it.
I would advice against going 4k though. It's a money sink in the long run, you can't hold onto one GPU for 5+ years with it.
Wish there were 1440p 32" OLEDs.
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how is realtek LAN in mobos these days?
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>>103276831
it's either tax increase or tariffs to offset budget issues. US is fucked in the next 10 years, China will never let a single factory to move there.
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Q9650 and a 780ti overkill for 2001-2008 XP build?
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>>103276850
yes, 780ti is from 2015.
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Looking to build a crappy seedbox / server to host my media from, what are some minimums when it comes to the CPU, GPU and ram?

Right now I got 7 external HDDs and >5000 torrents running from my personal comp and i really need to move them to another one, it's unsustainable right now

My friend is willing to give me his old "gaming" pc that has a 15 4690k, a GTX 770 and 16gb of ram, would that be decent enough?
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>>103276841
my thought process with 4K is i can play lighter games at 4K and drop down to 1080p with better scaling for unoptimized games, also most video seems to be intended for either 4K or 1080p just for that native resolution placebo
i have a 1440p screen right now anyways I plan to use multiple monitors, if I could fit 3 monitors i would
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>>103276854
What would be a more era-appropriate card that can give a solid locked 1080p60? Living room TV. Hated having to chose between tearing and input lag in XP days
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>>103276858
i5 4690k lmao lol thats weaker than a phone now
i have never bothered to check what utility costs would be like running older less efficient CPUs but it's something that comes to mind for your case
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>>103276861
for an experiment I ran tw3 with full RT at 4k+framegen on 7900xt, it is serviceable, and I will use it in 6 years when I have to, but I wouldn't recommend it as a main source of picture.
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>>103276779
>>103276788
I see. I could squeeze in up to 22', is something like the "PHILIPS 22 inch Class Thin Full" any good?
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>>103276861
>also most video seems to be intended for either 4K or 1080p just for that native resolution placebo
I do watch high bit rate 720p and 1080p+MPV on 1440p screen regularly, 1080p looks better. it is a placebo for real.
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Thoughts on this for my first OLED? $480.
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>>103276889
it's fine for text work and videos, wouldn't get it for gaming as primary, smear central.
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>>103276893
Go for glossy when you're going with a QD-OLED. Matte is fine for WOLED.
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>>103276480
They always were, as long as they gave a fuck they were usually top tier.
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>>103276893
it's a 2nd gen MAG from MSI, supports firmware updates and the like, all in all decent screen with good calibration. Debating tog et it myself.
I think they are preparing for CES next year models, I expect this to be the new QD-OLED price out of box. Maybe not in 2025 but in 2026 for sure. Mind you no panel changes in 2025, LG double stack OLED is at least 3-4 years away.
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Gentlemen. It's time.
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>>103276492
For me it's
Please Mistress Lisa, release the 8800xt in January before tariffs hit
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>>103276909
WOLED- crushed blacks with shit gamma
QD-OLED- perfect in dark room
it's semi glossy, not as good as Asus glossy screen or samsung original matte coating, but good enough if you live in the north or a dark room.
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>34mm ram height
Are these the smallest 6000CL30?
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>>103276831
Because Americans are retarded.
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>>103276929
to go full out of closet with RGB++? good luck with that.
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>>103276773
gddr7 will only be for 5090 and 5080, 5070/60 will use 6x
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>>103276798
>nawk tuah
meme
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>>103276951
he asked about 5090
5080 have to have some magic architectural advances if they plan to keep same node, same number of cores and same VRAM.
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>>103276831
The American public voted in a guy who thinks he knows how to perfectly run the economy when he really doesn't know Jack shit. His first term he started this tariff shit and it resulted in a bunch of farmers going bankrupt, we'll see what happens this time around.
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Should I take off my cooler to clean up the thermal paste that spilled over a bit? I'm worried about it. If it was conductive it would have shorted it instantly right?
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>>103276990
Most paste is non conductive unless you're using meme shit like liquid metal
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>>103276935
kingson is about 34.8 you can fit anything if you move the cooler up a little
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>>103276899
That's fine, it's mainly as a second monitor, and frankly it'll probably be a big upgrade over my old 5:4 as is. I was wondering if it was the best at that price&size range, or would something like the AOC 22B2HM2 22'' or something else be better.
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I posted this in a previous thread, but didn't get any responses. I'm trying to decide between the Asrock x870E Steel Legend or the Nova for a 9800x3d build. The only thing the Nova seems to have over the Legend is 5 M.2 slots instead of 3, a backplate, 5gb Lan instead of 2.5gb, and a 20+2+1 power phase design, versus the Legend's 14+2+1. Will I still be able to get a decent overclock with the x3d with the Legend's lower phase design? Is a backplate really even necessary? I don't think I've had a motherboard that had one. And lastly, how big of an upgrade is 5gb lan to 2.5gb?
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>>103276996
It's supposed to be non-conductive, and it's running. Will it ever cause an issue? I'm also afraid to damage the little resistors on the side of the am5 cpu by cleaning it.
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>>103276858
the only remote workloads that would require a gpu would be hardware encoding, render jobs, ai/ml workloads, or weird-ass parallelized shit that youre definitely not doing on a home media server.
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>nvidia 3000 series: turns dlss from a joke into something decent
>nvidia 4000 series: framegen
is there anything "new" like that coming with 5000 series?
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>>103277016
It's fine, no need to clean it up.
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Will my 780ti/970/980ti suddenly be worth $300 again when the tariffs hit?
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>>103277026
Jensen will make up some new bullshit retards will eat up so he can get more leather jackets dw
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>check KitGuru website
>top recommended PSU is pic related
seriously?
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Is everyone planning on using win11 or something with their builds? I was looking at the files for an asus motherboard and they have fewer drivers for win10.
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>>103277011
honestly no clue, at this price point differences are too minor, it's in same ball park in general
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>>103277055
if you are gaming, go w11, significantly less issues
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>>103276874
I don't remember, stop doing stupid shit, you can run games from 1993 on w11 and 4090 if you want to.
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>>103276935
>>103276998
TeamGroup has a "T-Create Expert" set that is 32mm tall
CTCED532G6000HC30DC01
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>>103277055
>Is everyone planning on using win11 or something with their builds?
I'm never switching to 11
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should I buy 4090 now before 5090 releases?
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>>103277026
likely frame gen again, they don't care, gaming GPU share dropped to like 20% for them, used to be 80%
when AI bursts they will figure something out, no need now
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>>103277074
troll

>>103277095
no
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>>103277055
once my shit gets shipped in im going with some flavor of debian, but my desktop is on 8.1 right now. definitely never using windows again, no matter what they do.
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>>103276949
You sound like a protestant.
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>>103277112
I'm optimistic about doing that soon, valve seems to be putting lots of effort into getting games on linux.
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>>103277088
Let me enjoy old hardware
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>>103277046
I sometimes watch their case review videos & their cut-down ads make me giggle
No warning, then a 0.5 second Seagate spot, then back to the video lol
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>>103277124
Go grow potatoes in spring. Would make you feel better than this vane bullshit.
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https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-arc-b580-has-been-leaked-first-battlemage-graphics-card-features-12gb-vram

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL
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>>103277136
it's literally in op's pic
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>>103277132
It's the middle of winter, I need a Core 2 Quad space heater to have any chance of surviving
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>>103277116
since the steam deck (and formerly steam box) are linux based, linux is a first class citizen for valve, and they have the weight to push for its support and adoption by developers on behalf pf consumers, and theyre also incredibly dedicated to contributive development regarding compatibility. the only shit thats not supported is mostly 3a shooter slop which are half rootkit anyways, so its not unreasonable to just not play shit games that dont work on perfectly good computers. im shifting my focus more towards development and work with a privacy focus, so its a no brainer to make the switch, and ill just suck up whatever doesnt work because its a waste of my time if it doesnt.
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Ok bros, here's history:
>bought prebuilt at the tail end of the most retarded time to buy PC hardware (couldn't find individual parts at anywhere near a better deal than prebuilts)
>ibuypower same day gaming RDY w slate MR case
>650(?) 80+ Gold PSU idk brand
>5600X
>gigabyte 3060TI OC
>AIO (essentially a rebranded NZXT Kraken 120)
>wd blue 1tb
>3200 16CLI 2x8gb XPG Spectrix RAM
>The AIO eventually shat the sheets
>Replace with Arctic Freezer 280
>Ohnnooo doesnt fit need new case (had been wanting one)
>Migrate to Fractal North Black Mesh
>Add 12tb hdd
>Oh yea my screen is an Odyssey g5, 32" 144hz with 1000R curvature
I want to upgrade the screen, know I will need new hardware for one esp if I'm going to run it alongside the old screen. I could up the RAM but then I'd be wasting money for the big boy upgrade, should I get a screen and say fuckit lets see how she runs? Thoughts?
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looks like I'm havin a new key chain
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>>103276490
My 2060 12GB is sufficient for most image proompting. Can't wait for Intel to release a $500 24GB card and wrek nVidia's monopoly
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>>103277124
you won't find help in this thread, it's for modern builds. go watch philscomputerlab or lgr or sumthin like that
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>>103277163
use the razorblade trick it looks fixable-ish
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>>103277185
I did. broke 3 pins
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>>103277192
what CPU is this? fixing the pins would run you at least $100, it can be fixed though
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>>103277192
arent you the stupidest gorilla monkey faggot in the jungle
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>>103277163
AM4chuds...
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I have ram that has some rgb lights, and one time I rebooted and the light on ONE stick did not come on. I rebooted and it came back, should I be worried? It looks seated properly.
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>>103277198
5600g, it was suppose to be used in my father's office pc.
welp, I still have 3200g. it still should be enough for him
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>>103277090
or get a better case, my old corsair has a bulge on side specifically for fit shit like full size noctuas
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>>103277206
>should I be worried?
no, unless you REALLY like the lights
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>>103277220
I'll probably disable them later. However, I was concerned it was indicative of an issue with the motherboard or ram that I should be concerned about.
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>>103277055
10 or 11 you're gonna have to tard-wrangled it in the gpe anyway, just pick the iot ltsc enterprise version
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>>103277226
It was probably busy training the RAM, DDR5 has to be trained during a cold boot/reboot.
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>>103276548
Likely. I ordered my 9800x3d on the 12th and was originally given a January 26th delivery date. Later, I got an email telling me it was shipped and it would be delivered next Monday, Nov 25th. Yesterday morning, I open my door and found it sitting outside on my doorstep for at least overnight. I'm glad I live in a nice neighborhood. And by that, I mean white.
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>>103277256
Seems strange it was just one stick. I can exchange it so maybe I'll just exchange it to be safe.
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>>103276917
I meant that they're the good guys, EVGA used to be the good guys and Asrock used to be the underdog but now EVGA are gone Asrock has taken the good guy mantle.
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what else do people usually buy if they already have the high end hardware?
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>>103277331
monitors, peripherals and maybe vr. or save your money
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>>103277334
and cases
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>>103277321
am I the only one who thinks Asrock's BIOS settings #comment# flags (what this setting and what the options do) fucking suck dick
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>>103277339
>not just getting the right case the first time around
shiggy
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>>103277349
Asrock's BIOS is horrible to use in comparion to the other big players but it works quite well if you can navigate the menus
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>>103276416
why not launch the mid to high end stuf ffirst?
>>103276400
drivers are fine
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>>103277313
cute little nugget that urs?
heres mine git it on special about 6mo ago for 300usd
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>was set on buying a 3 fan GPU to keep the noise level down
>but then I thought about how I'm probably not going to throttle the thing, and thus a 2 fan GPU is fine too

They're the same price too. Now it's a choice mostly about aesthetics I guess
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Making the switch from laptop to desktop.

Is there a high quality keyboard with an integrated touchpad that feels just like typing on a laptop?

I have tried a few but they are all flimsy and the touchpad isn't great.

(I cannot use a keyboard and mouse for physical reasons)
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>>103277413
Fan count is just an indication - one can easily make a loud 3-fan or a quiet 2-fan model eg. Windforce vs. ASUSxNoctua. Best to look up benchmarks.
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>>103277428
Not integrated but how about the Apple Magic combo? Needs some drivers to get full functionality on Windows but the hardware seems to be exactly what you want.
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>>103277428
what physical reason? there are some desktop keyboards that feature trackpads below the keyboard for desktop, and there are standalone usb trackpads you could pair with traditional keyboards.
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>>103277492
>>103277507]
I need the touchpad in the same position as on a laptop so I can reach it with my thumb. I can't move my arms so can't use a mouse/external trackpad.
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>B580 12GB
very nice. Are the Intel GPUs any good for 3D modeling? Might replace my 2060 for one of the new battlemage cards mostly just for the vram.
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Battlemage status?
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please stop shitposting about intel. they have it hard enough.
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>5090
>32gb vram
who need this much vram anyway? 3D porn artists/animators?
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>>103277536
What's stopping you from putting an external trackpad at the bottom of the keyboard?

>I have tried a few but they are all flimsy and the touchpad isn't great.
Unfortunately I fear this will be the case for 99% of what you see in conventional stores. Those "laptop bottoms" are more for mobility/portability than permanent installation - you maybe want to look in to something more "dedicated" to users with disabilities.
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>>103277575
you'll need that in 2yrs when ps6 drops and baseline is 5800x3d 24gb ram minimum
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>>103277575
western game devs (indians)
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>>103277536
thats a pretty significant limitation. have you looked into other mouse hardware and software that doesnt use your hands? there are a few bits of software that use eye tracking for mouse control, and some hardware/software combos that use things like mouth controls.

are you able to use your feet? i could see a combination of a foot pedal and either a trackball or a joystick being pretty useful for mouse control if you can use both feet, though some software remapping might be needed.

what is your budget?
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>>103277593
PS5 has 5 games. What's the point of ps6? 8k resolution but really it's 960p internal?
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>>103277578
Yeah thanks I actually thought about getting something custom made. Came across this which would basically solve all my problems. Apple trackpad and keyboard integrated into a palm rest.
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>>103277599
90% of the time I use voice for typing, sometimes foot pedal for clicking or pressing certain key combos. Eye tracking sucks unfortunately the technology just isn't there yet even the model I have which costs 15000 isn't great
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>>103277575
32GB isn't even enough for a lot of language models
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>>103276847
better than intel at 2.5g
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which manufacturers have usually the quietest nvidia gpus?
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Building a passive/fanless pc.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zf3Psp
Anything i should change? I dont know about the case or the power supply and im uncertain about the motherboard. I know the motherboard is overkill but still.
Or i could just wait for the Streacom SG10
But that itself (the case) is 1200 euro but it would allow you to use high end components completely fanless.
Im not really sure which way to go.
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>>103277657
wow. i was somewhat aware that disability hardware was expensive but 15k for eye tracking is obscene, especially if it doesnt work for you. if youre able to use your feet with any level of acuity id suggest looking into foot pedals more. im sure that there is hardware out that that maps well to usb controller software that can be adapted for things like control keys and mouse movement pretty well.

are you able to grip with your hands? handheld joysticks (even if mounted with something like a microphone arm) might be usable as well, and could potentially offer more control options with configurable keys. if youre able to move your hands at the wrist, things like a flight simulator joystick paired with a one-hand keyboard (like those mmo ones) might be a good combo.
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Fuck i posted the wrong image.
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Was thinking about picking up an SSD, but am not in a rush to get one yet and haven't done my homework on which to grab.

What are the xmas sales usually like? If they're worse then I'll pick one up now and start that homework, but if they're about the same then I'll just wait it out.
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>>103277163
did you try pull off the heatsink without heating it up first?
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Ok, so I'm kind of a dumbass but I plan to upgrade my PC soon and instead of doing a prebuilt like I've always gone for because I'm a mouthbreather I want to build it myself. I plan to use it for gaming but also for work and general use. Here's what I'm thinking so far:
>ryzen 9 9950x3d and radeon rx 7900 xtx, i get that the modern nvidia xx80 series GPUs are probably better but i may want to run linux on this thing so i don't want to fuck around with nvidia drivers
>32 GB of DDR5 memory, not sure about the speed yet
>fat chunky SSD, at least 2TB but probably more
>will probably run win10 IoT LTCS on this thing until windows-linux parity closes, may happen sooner than later thanks to valve's frog protocols and stuff
>budget wise i'm probably going to pay this off over a period of time so i'm not that concerned
Now, some questions for the thread:
>what motherboard would you recommend for the aformentioned parts?
>cooling wise, could i get away with air cooling on this? i'm too much of a pussy to try liquid cooling on the chance that i may fuck it up. if i have to settle for liquid cooling, what would (You) recommend?
>on that note, what case and extra case fans would you recommend? i'm not really into RGB so something nice and plain would probably be the best.
>if you're actually willing to go through all this and tally up the power usage, what PSU would you also suggest?
Thanks in advance.
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>>103276455
I want a big fucking screen 42"+ that's also good for gaming
Best options for the money?
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>>103277804
Well, I'm so dumb I didn't even realize the 9950x3d isn't even out yet.
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>>103277750
Thanks I'm currently researching those peripherals and yes the hardware gets very expensive it's basically medical equipment at this stage. Think a lot of the providers expect insurance to pay for it
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>>103277804
>>103277840
On that note I'll just go for the 9800X3D instead.
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>>103277804
ddr5 cl30 6000
you can grab a 4tb sn850x for $250 right now
thermalright phantom spirit
850w
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>>103277804
>motherboard
Asrock X870 Pro RS
>cooling
probably, just undervolt. when its out.
>case
I like the fractal pop air, you can also get it with a solid side panel if you dislike glass.
>PSU
you could probably get away with 750W but 850W would be better.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PmyhqH
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>>103277804
>>>what motherboard would you recommend for the aformentioned parts?
Something higher end, but you can get away with anything that fits your needs with all the IO ports that you'll need
>>cooling wise, could i get away with air cooling on this? i'm too much of a pussy to try liquid cooling on the chance that i may fuck it up. if i have to settle for liquid cooling, what would (You) recommend?
It's impossible to fuck up an AIO liquid cooler, and you should really be using liquid cooling on a 9950, not sure about the 9800x3d though.
>>on that note, what case and extra case fans would you recommend? i'm not really into RGB so something nice and plain would probably be the best.
Can't help ya here, I'd just look for as many big fans that you can run quietly. More fans at lower speed will have the same airflow and less noise vs fewer fans at higher speeds.
>>if you're actually willing to go through all this and tally up the power usage, what PSU would you also suggest?
Plug your parts into pcpartpicker, and check your estimated wattage, then find a PSU that can handle that, and then some. Go with a gold or higher rated PSU, and for bonus points optimize for efficiency.
Dual boot and learn Loonix over time, because Windows gets shittier with every day.
Good luck, fren
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>>103277112
>definitely never using windows again
Based.
Don't get discouraged by the initial pains that might show up. After you're past that you'll wonder why you never did it sooner.
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Should I buy just new RAM or go straight to a new motherboard, with results like these?

I tested also dual setup in A1+B1 and both memory sticks individually.
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Who makes good motherboards these days? I heard Asrock AM5 boards are good but their availability here in aus seems nonexistent. Also, is there any reason to get anything fancier than b650 (for a 4090/9800x3d system)?
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>>103277851
>>103277873
>>103277881
Aight, here's what I'm thinking so far. Thanks for the advice, but I still need to figure out the case and any extra fans. Also as an extra to >>103277881 , I did run Linux for a while until recently because Proton really didn't like the MH Wilds demo. Yet again, it was unoptimized as shit and I'm worried that even with fixes Denuvo will undo all of it on launch.
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>>103277804
>I plan to use it for gaming but also for work
What kind of work exactly? Workstation?
The 9900X is faster than the 9800X3D and costs about the same, so decide which one might be best for you.
Depending on the games and resolutions you play at, you might also be GPU bottlenecked, wasting the 9800X3D's potential.
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>>103277903
ive toyed with arch/manjaro, debian/ubuntu/mint/pop, and bsd (though only without a DE) and cant really bring myself to bother with anything thats not deian-like.

just this morning i was playing with a popos vm and liked how dolphin worked so i installed it on my ubuntu laptop, but got annoyed that it lacked a few features and wasnt conforming to my os theme. i searched the issues and realized it was a difference in versioning and that i could resolve it by using flatpak instead of apt and i completely solved all my issues, but then i found out i couldnt just open it as dolphin and instead had to invoke it as org.kde.dolphin. i read through the docs on ohmyzsh and made ~/.oh-my-zsh/custom/aliases.zsh which aliases dolphin to org.kde.dolphin and it just works. its refreshing and empowering being able to actually fucking do things with a computer rather than just blankly stare at retarded microsoft forum posts that dont actually contain any information and throw up my hands in defeat.
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CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING FROZN A620 PRO SE 58 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock B550M PG RIPTIDE Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN580 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7600 8 GB Video Card
Case: Montech AIR 100 LITE MicroATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA 600 GD 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply

Use cases:
- Minecraft
- Team Fortress 2
- Rust

Is this build alright?
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>>103277937
Again, I would strongly advise a liquid cooler for a 16 core processor
As for Linux, most games (and demos, by extension) run pretty badly when they launch, until someone like the Nobara guy adds some touches to Proton a few days later. IME it's usually less than a week if the game has problems.
Dunno about Denuvo though, but good luck
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>>103277349
It's fast and fairly neat so it's not all bad
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Is the 9700X worth getting over the X3D cpus if I don't wanna spend $500 for a 5% increase in games?
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i don't like the shade of brass on this thing
i wish it was darker like antique brass and not polished
what can i do about it? let it sit in a cave for 100 years (given it's real brass and not some coating)
thanks for coming to my ted talk
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>>103277950
>>103277972
Sorry, yeah I might use it for video editing. I'll look into liquid solutions if 16 cores is too much for air stuff. Also quite serendipitously >>103278010 looks like the kind of case I'm looking for, or something similar like the Fractal North TG Gaming one (picrel)
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Any quiet coolers for the Ryzen 9 7950X?
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>>103278010
>wheels
Finally, I can push my gayming rig along wherever I go.
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>>103277983
yeah
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>>103277962
>cant really bring myself to bother with anything thats not deian-like
Fair enough. I use Arch for my desktop because I want the most up-to-date stuff for games, and Debian for my work servers, but I admit Arch is not something I can recommend to everyone.
If Debian variants work for your use-case then perfect.

>its refreshing and empowering being able to actually fucking do things with a computer rather than just blankly stare at retarded microsoft forum posts that dont actually contain any information and throw up my hands in defeat.
This is exactly what I felt like after leaving Windows behind.
It's like:

>Linux
You find a problem. You search for solutions.
Usually there's always something you can do about it.
Very rarely a problem is a dead end.
People that actually understand how operating systems work help you figure it out.
After some experience you can even just solve it yourself.
You lose some time, sure, but the problem is ultimately solved.

>Windows
You find a problem. You search for solutions
It's usually some tech illiterate bullshit or gamer "knowledge" or outdated Youtube video about reinstalling this or that or trying random shit that we're not even sure what it's doing behind the scenes.
You ultimately give up and have to live with the problem.
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>>103278010
Is this a new version, or just the XL version?
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>>103278040
I have the Phantom Spirit 120 SE and it's darn silent.
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>>103278082
my big issue with arch/manjaro is its rolling release scheme. coming back to a vm after two months bricks pamac with circular dependencies or whatever and i genuinely dont care enough about the headache to fix it. i think a package manager should intelligently manage packages and not tell me
$ pamac update                                                      
Preparing...
Synchronizing package databases...
Warning: installing kvantum (1.1.2-1) breaks dependency 'kvantum-qt5' required by kvantum-theme-matchama
Add kvantum-theme-matchama to remove
Warning: installing db (6.2.32-1) breaks dependency 'db=5.3.28' required by lib32-db
Add lib32-db to remove
Error: Failed to prepare transaction:
could not satisfy dependencies:
- removing lib32-db breaks dependency 'lib32-db' required by lib32-jack
- removing linux59 breaks dependency 'linux59' required by linux59-virtualbox-guest-modules
Resolving dependencies...
Checking inter-conflicts...
Warning: removing 'gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng' from target list because it conflicts with 'gnome-shell-extension-gtk4-desktop-icons-ng'
Error: Failed to prepare transaction:
could not satisfy dependencies:
- removing lib32-db breaks dependency 'lib32-db' required by lib32-jack
- removing linux59 breaks dependency 'linux59' required by linux59-virtualbox-guest-modules
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>>103276490
>How is arc with RT anyway? Worse or better than AMD?

Nearly on par with Nvidia of the same generation - that ought to be enough to give you an idea on how far behind AMD are. Supposedly they improved this with RDNA4 but we'll see.
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>Chilling on PC
>Screen suddenly turns to static and dies
>Unplug it and plug again
>Everything back to normal
Should I be concerned? There was this other time that some of the screen was static too but it fixed itself by turning the screen off and on again
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If a fan came with a controller hub, do I have to use it or can I plug it directly into mobo?
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>>103277575
32gb ram is needed for eu5slop and crapcom re dogfeces engine slop
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>>103277971
>Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7600 8 GB Video Card
are you mad just get a used 6800-6950xtxh
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>>103277804
x670e off ali about 200usd
96gb ddr5 6400cl32 also 200usd off ali
rest is fine maybe slap a 4tb ssd in cheap down the road
w10 is dead either dual boot w11 and nix
case whatever i got two cheap gook cases and 480mm aios to cool my htpc and gaming pc for under 300usd off ali as well and a local place
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>>103276784
Good goy. Speed 2k on a gpu while using a 60hz 1080p monitor. Make sure you buy the 5090!
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>>103277572
as a ex incel intel fag i like my 13600k alot stock it was absolutely shit before oc however
a770 was a great budget gpu
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>>103278119
I've never had that because I update regularly, but yes, that can indeed be a problem.
I think that can be solved by forcing the updates without checking dependencies though.
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>>103276784
Which one do you use im looking for one like this right now
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>>103278252
>a770 was a great budget gpu
*when you played the games where intel fixed their drivers
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>be semi-large benchmark youtuber
>get the newest gpus for free
>/g/cucks still have to pay out of their pocket for graphic cards
LMAO
M
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>>103277012
>Will I still be able to get a decent overclock with the x3d with the Legend's lower phase design?
Yes you can. Even assuming the VRMs are rated for only 40A each, about half of those (40 * 14 *.5 = 280A) is enough to kill your CPU
https://cultists.network/9590/modern-vrms-are-stupid/

>Is a backplate really even necessary?
No

>And lastly, how big of an upgrade is 5gb lan to 2.5gb?
If your network provider plan can fully saturate 5Gb data transfer speeds, it's double the speed.
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Can a bad socket kill your pc? I've had 2 PCs die on me the same way and it all started when I moved my pc.
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>>103278269
and? i only got one this year
>>103278420
bad psus and power cables can i just caught an old 1200w i was testing from 2008 that started to go bad and cause stability problems even when not ocing
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>>103277046
Not surprising because most of the brands contract the PSU manufacturing to OEMs.
An ASUS ROG PSU is one of the best high-end units out there.
Product warranty service should weigh more but reviewers don't cover that aspect.
Seasonic and Corsair probably have the most established service centers in the US.
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>>103278474
meanwhile the mighty 200usd dragon is going hard as fuck 13600k oc and 79xtx oc pulling over 500w
liked them so much i bought 2 lol one for htpc one for 9800x3d build

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005721672905.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.70fa4589lZSUyh&algo_pvid=6909fc13-a7a4-4fc5-a9b3-8f5d242b1fe4&algo_exp_id=6909fc13-a7a4-4fc5-a9b3-8f5d242b1fe4-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21AUD%21250.23%21207.69%21%21%21162.44%21134.82%21%40210318e817313002522142887eb3a7%2112000036785702935%21sea%21AU%216191775427%21ABX&curPageLogUid=aUpslwFtbX2J&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A
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>>103278343
You should get an AIO like a 360 liquid freezer 3 if you're planning to use that 7950X for demanding productivity loads.
You should get at least an 850W PSU and a larger case.
I believe the new 5000D Airflow is designed to accommodate larger video cards.
Corsair RMe PSUs are a value pick, but a few people here complained about the fan noise and coil whine.
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/97197442/#97197807

Below is the 850/1000W PSU I'd get if you're in the US.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R4RwrH/super-flower-leadex-iii-gold-up-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-850f14ge
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9KCZxr/super-flower-leadex-iii-gold-up-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1000f14ge
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When would it be time to consider upgrading? This was all built in Jan 2019. My current build is;

>CPU
i7-9700k @ 3.6GHz
>RAM
16GB DDR4 @ 3200
>Storage
1 x 500GB SSD (OS + games recommended for SSD)
2 x 3TB HDD
(all nearing capacity with games)
This is also excluding my external HDD for movies and shit.
>GPU
Asus Dual GeForce RTX 2080 RTX 8GB
>PSU
Sea Sonic 650W Gold 80+
>Monitor
Asus PG279Q ROB Swift 27" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor

I'm mainly thinking because I'm starting to run out of storage space and most games now are basically requiring to be installed on SSDs now.
Also this is all on Ausfag dollarydoos.
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I want to get my nephew a gaming PC for Christmas, my budget is around $1000, but I havent been keeping up to date with new hardware for 5+ years, so I'm a little clueless what to build for him. Can anyone recommned a decent build in that price range?
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>rx5700xt is $130 used
why shouldnt i get this over like $160 rx 6600xt?
also can i get it to be inaudible with uv?
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>>103276548
my local has usually been in stock. once or twice its been out for a day but for some reason there hasn't been much of an issue. Got mine on day 3 after release
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>>103278597
I'd get a new 2TB SSD and keep using that PC until it can't run games at your desired quality & performance.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/crKKHx/benchmarks/western-digital-black-sn850x-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t2x0e
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/M8yH99/benchmarks/crucial-t500-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000t500ssd8

Those are the reasonably priced Gen 4 2TB NVMes in your region.
Even if your board only supports Gen 3, buy a Gen 4 to carry over in a future build.
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>>103278661
6600XT is a bit better, check the relative performance chart below.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-5700-xt.c3339

>also can i get it to be inaudible with uv?
If the $130 used 5700XT is a decent card like a Sapphire Pulse/Nitro or PowerColor Hellhound/Red Devil, it's worth considering
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Is a 6900XT worth 350 eurobucks? It's a local pickup and I get to test it however I want.
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>>103278757
depends on the model & condition. if it runs at 100c+ at stock then it needs to be opened up for repaste/repad.
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4060ti a good option still? 4070 is out of my price range
honestly even a 4060ti might be a bit too expensive
upgrading from something called vega64 no one ever heard about
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>>103278768
It's a Sapphire Nitro Plus. I'm fine with repasting/repadding myself if it's needed, what else should I look out for?
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>>103278787
if it can pass superposition extreme & port royal without artifacting or dying then its good
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>>103278774
Not for me, I'd look for a used 4070 in good condition over a 4060/Ti on eBay (buyer protection).
Don't forget to add shipping + taxes if you do buy used.
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we have to pay taxes for buying used GPUs?
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What is the best way to control your fans? I was in the bios once to look at the curves but i have no clue what they should like (for both pc case and cpu fans). Also can you control the GPU fans from there too? Or do you need some software from the manufacturer? My GPU is most of the time while im browsing at only ~30 degree celsius and while the fans of my pc are not ultra loud i feel like i could make them a little slower and more quiet.
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>>103278806
buyer protection is not an option in my shithole and local auction sites are scammer galore
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>>103278822
online sales tax yes, local trade no
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>>103278787
nitro+ means nothing. I've tried several ones and they were shit. Gpus are pure lottery.
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>>103277055
AMD CPUs got a massive uplift with a windows 11 update a couple months back. Performance is measurably better on 11 than 10 now
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>>103278832
nitro+ is the cooler name. also the rdna2/rdna3 nitros are high tier. the other architectures are lesser tier.
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>>103278735
i'll have a look but i forgot to mention i have a microATX motherboard and I think I'm out of sata ports.
either that or i can't see it because my GPU is fucking massive. either way, i'm not sure if it'll fit and im too paranoid to move my card as is because of the size.
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>>103278597
Which games do you want to play and why do you not just buy a ssd then

You should upgrade when your games are like 20fps (unplayable)
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>>103278857
You need an M.2 slot on the motherboard to use those SSDs I linked.
If you end up building a new PC, those are the two NVMe SSDs I'd buy in AUS.
No point talking about SATA SSD options if you've run out of ports.
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Best SATA SSDs? Need more ssd storage for table bases and older games, but don't want to go through the hassle of replacing my current nvme drive. ADATA used to be reccomended, but I can't find any listings for 2tb or greater drives from them anymore.
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>>103278913
Samsung 870 EVO, they are not cheap though because they're bought up by workstation users too.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/most-reliable-pc-hardware-of-2021-2279/#Storage_Drives_HDDs_SSDs
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>asrock is the underdog and now they're the good guy
they are a subsidiary of ASUS you stupid retard
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>>103278969
>Spin off less profitable OEM business unit (Pegatron/ASRock)
>Appoint former ASUS executives (& co-founder) to board & top management positions
>ASUS balance sheet looks better with higher margins, own enough Pegatron shares to fend off opposing shareholders
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>>103279008
welcome to jew tactics 101
the entire world is owned by like 10 people
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>>103276455
what's the most economical printer out there that is still in production?
It's fine if it's Black and White only but would prefer if it had basic color printing too
if Brother then which model?
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>>103278969
They haven't been part of ASUS for years. It's like saying TUL (now Powercolor) still makes Nvidia GPUs
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oof. 12gb vram should be the bare minimum for all new gpus
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>>103279027
I use a Xerox B215, with a modded firmware and chink consumables printing is around 50-60 bucks for 10k (jewish standard 5% coverage) pages.
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>>103279088
59 FPS baby, heeere we gooo!
And I was insane enough to think 4k would be doable.
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If I want to get an extra single RAM stick on top of a dual one, do they need to have the exact same frequency and/or same CL?

What's worse if one of them differs? Frequency should be okay no? It just uses the slowest?
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>>103279088
You literally shouldn't run that piece of shit at max settings (yes, even on a 4090, those lows are atrocious for a FPS).
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>>103279121
>It just uses the slowest?
yea, JEDEC speed is fine
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>>103279124
it's not a twitch shooter, it's fine-ish
but epic quality in UE5 really need to notch it down on internal effect resolution, nobody can see it anyway
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>>103279070
ASUSTek and their two co-founders own over 20% of Pegatron shares.
https://www.pegatroncorp.com/investorRelation/majorShareholders
>'But that's not a majority!'
You don't need a majority, see Elon Musk & Tesla.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000119312524036110/d64998dsc13ga.htm
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>>103279121
If it's really cheap memory (the kind with only one XMP profile) it won't like anything between that and stock, so if they don't match you'll either run at dogshit JEDEC settings or have to tinker with each timing yourself.
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>>103279088
Can't wait until battlemage saves us all.
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>>103279141
>buy the best GPU on the market to have a "fine-ish experience"
I hate consoomer paypigs who enable shit devs so much it's UNREAL.
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>>103279164
anon, do you really need 16k shadows resolution?
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>>103279088
3070 bros... the 8GB is killing us already
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DDR5 JEDEC is not fine! I've been using it for months and went back to my tuned 6400MT/s setting last night.
Windows 11 and background programs boots up noticeably quicker, not a placebo.
>'Why were you on JEDEC to begin with?'
There are some quirks with my board BIOS and Windows 11 sleep mode, the PC failed to recover my desktop after waking up from time to time.
Happens @ XMP, and happens with tuned memory specs. Both passed extended memory stress tests.
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>>103279246
8gb is for 1080p cards.
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>>103279258
perhaps the refresh timings need to be relaxed
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>>103279260
I have been playing 1440p no problem until these new releases bro. 3070 was a 1440p card on release
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>>103279294
oh no, well you're going to have to upgrade to a new 5070 12gb card ehehe.
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Should I get a Ryzen 9600X for around $170 or should I wait for something else? It would be for gaming, any batch processing stuff would be secondary.

I'd get the 7600x3d microcenter bundle if I didn't already have a better motherboard.
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>>103279313
needs a
>8gb is baseline anyway. who needs more.
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>>103278884
retard here
holy fuck, i had no idea what NVMes were and how fucking small they are. they're like a stick of gum. i cant fucking get over how small they are compared to my usual HDD and the storage.
my mobo has space for thme.
i'll definitely look into it and install one soon.
thanks mate.
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>>103279275
480 tRFC, 400 tRFCPB, & 16384 or 32640 tREFI.
Nothing wild going on and voltages are fine.
I could set tighter timings after raising the memory voltage to 1.45V, but I don't want to go through all the testing.
I need to use the PC for work.
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Thoughts on white case and black graphics card?
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>>103278010
maybe ask /diy/. There's a sqtddtot over there, and probably an appropriate general for that question as well
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>>103279325
I think NVMe storage was primarily designed for laptops and mobile devices, their existence blew my mind just like yours.
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Is it safe to turn your deskTOP into a deskSIDEWAYS (heh heh, see the clever pun I did there)?

Because of my PCs positioning in the room, it's actually quite hard to get to it, especially take the side panels to give it a nice blow job. But I have enough broad space and space above that I can get quite easily to it from top.

I have the motherboard facing skyward, and so far it's working but there are some weird... clicking? Grinding? Cracking even? ...sounds when I start the PC while it's horizontal, that aren't there when it's in the normal position.
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>>103279356
domino kind of style, maybe, but you'd need to think of cables too
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I should get an air purifier.
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>>103279356
IDC, I buy PC cases with solid side panels.
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is there even any reason to buy a new case if my temps are ok? i'm still using a case from like 2007 that has retarded airflow, but it still works as long as i keep it clean.
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>>103279396
>still works as long as i keep it clean.
If you've kept your case clean, no need. But it depends on the hardware the case is housing.
A new +$400 Ryzen CPU and a +$500 video card might be worth buying a new case.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Trbbjn

Any feedback or suggestions on this build? It's my first time building my own setup. I'm looking to play things like stalker 2, ashes of creation and in general not having to worry about an upgrade for like another 7 years.
My budget it around $1500 USD
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What happened in Sept 2023 and the 1TB SSD prices were the lowest?
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>>103276455
Should I still be worried about AIO watercoolers going bad after a few years?
I had one a decade ago, and it started making noise after a few years of running. Drove me insane.
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>>103279425
ive had some issues keeping my CPU at below 90C with the ryzen 5600 and its stock cooler, but i'll be upgrading to the 9800x3d. i was going to get an actual aftermarket cooler this time so i'm not sure if it's going to run hotter or colder. i assume trying to reuse the 5600 cooler is not applicable
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>>103279454
They restricted supply because they were tired of not making as much profit
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>>103279483
No you shouldn't worry about AIO, and you shouldn't buy on either unless you have a threadripper.
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>>103279495
>lower supply
>price lowers
W-what.. this is against every economy law.
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>>103279454
>>103279495
no, datacenter demand skyrocketed with AI craze
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>>103279371
i recently ripped out my old hard drives from an old build i got rid of and im holding it in my hand, still trying to comprehend how my hard drive im holding is 2tb and that small fucking stick is the same capacity.
imagine 3 more years from now...
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>>103279499
there was a oversupply and the nand cartel decided to lower supply to make prices higher
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>>103279454
The pandemic lockdown demand surge for computing components died out and NVMe SSD manufacturers & component suppliers overproduced the parts.
The drive manufacturers were bound by component sourcing contracts to just stop production altogether.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/phison-chief-expects-bankruptcies-in-nand-industry
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>>103279483
Water cooling is only worth it if you're OCing or you're a super enthusiast who just wants it for aesthetics. If you're a typical gaymer then a standard air tower cooler is absolutely fine.
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>>103279499
No, the price bottomed out in sept because they were still making supply, it went up after that
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>>103279515
>you shouldn't buy an AIO unless you have a threadripper.
I'm planning to get a 9900x, and it produces a bunch of heat.
Not to mention, I want my rig to be as cool and quiet as I can get it.
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>>103279513
So today's $80 price is alright but nothing special?
Should I get it?
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>>103279525
>I'm planning to get a 9900x
continuous load or spikes?
get AIO if you are encoding or compiling for hours, for anything else modern tower cooler is fine
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>>103279530
That's the price you have to pay for a product normies are buying.

2023 prices were almost a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence.
I know some people here are going to talk about price cycles in the SSD market, but they don't understand the scale of the demand surge caused by the lockdown.
Every normie laptop needs an NVMe drive. Families, schools, governments, and corporations were ordering multiple laptops, all over the world.

If you see a relatively good deal for SSDs, buy it if you need it.
Storage drives have a larger consumer base than GeForce cards, KEX3D chips, ASRock Nova boards, or XMP memory kits.
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heeyy guys, i installed a 4090 and now i play chess all day

did i fuck up?
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>>103279617
Yes, you did. You need the unreleased 5090 to get an acceptable framerate with chess.
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>RTINGS top recommended monitor is an OLED with a matte screen
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>>103279372
Ok guess it's not a good idea if you still use CD-ROMs... I lost my original copy of The Myst.
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i can afford it but something tells me paying over cad$1000 for a new monitor is crazy

but 27" 2K OLED is no diffeerent from the dual 27" 144hz IPS 2K monitors I currently have so it's hardly an upgrade
Maybe I should have saved the CAD$200 and got the 7900XT instead of XTX
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so I got 700$ and some of the money went to the 5700x3d.

I could've got a 7900xt but I'm afraid i will be bottlenecked by my 5 5700g so I wanted to upgrade my CPU with a X3D chip. I'm still waiting on the 8000 series but there's no news from AMD yet and I don't want to get a new gpu before a new series drops.

Should I refund my 5700x3d and buy a 7900xt? Open to suggestions, lads.
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I noticed that I get much lower power draw and same fps if I lower the clock speed on my 7900XTX. Like 100+ watt drop
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>>103279791
yup, welcome to sicrit 250w 7900 club.
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>High end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
So question, the 5 pack is 40 euros are those good? I keep reading of bad quality check on the fans.
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fuck this shitty ssd
if anyones searching on desuarchive:
Dont get this ssd. Get anything else. Maybe im too butthurt but speeds should not be this fucking shit.
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>>103279637
kek answer

and

>>103279655
kek picture and nice dubs
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yo

does anyone here own the AOC Q27G3XMN?
if it as good as reviewers say? how bad is inverse ghosting in real use? and what about vrr flicker, rtings claims it's really bad.

(pls don't reply if you haven't used / don't own this monitor, i want opinions of actual users)
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Can I do an U-turn on the front panel usb cable without fucking it up??
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should I worry about decrease in pixel density of going from 24" to 27" for 1440p?
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>GPUs are only getting more expensive
It's so fucking over
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I was very sceptical about buying something more complicated than protecing glass for my phone from Alibaba and Aliexpress, but I see qiute a lot of happy buyers here and there that got their CPUs from those chink Amazons. I checked it out and the value is there indeed, now the voice in my head persuades me to outjew my local resellers that push 7700 for ~300 euro. Anon, what's your experience of buying tech from Ali? Should I go for it?
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>>103280004
rubbish. next generation of NVIDIA will be very affordable
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>>103276455
>PCI-E 5.0 x8
I assume this will run at 4.0 x8 on a B550 motherboard. How fucked would I be in that scenario?
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>>103276480
ASrock used to make boards for EVGA though
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>>103279321
Halp. If anon knows.
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>>103279940
I ordered a pack of 5 P12 Max for 34 euros a few days ago, just got lucky catching them on sale. I think 40 euros for Max ones is okay, but quite expensive for regular P12.
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>>103276893
Damn. Price is going down fast on these. Looks like I'm going to get into HDR soon.
>>103277012
5g is a complete meme. If you cared about networking speed you would put a 10g card in anyway. Phase design also especially on X3D. these are not power hungry chips and you will not be overclocking because it brings basically no benefits. Back-plate is completely necessary. X870 is only worth it if you need USB 4. For everyone else x670e is where it's at.
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>>103280004
Did you look at amd gpus?
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>>103280073
Funny enough, I have an asrock board and super flower psu.
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>>103279940
They are downright amazing. I love them. I got the non max version though.
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>>103279655
Matte is objectively superior to glossy. Glossy makes things look fake and you can't use it in the day time.
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>>103279986
1440p looks fine on 27". 1080p looks like potato though.
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>>103280053
>will run at 4.0 x8
more like 4.0 x16
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>>103279617
Lol, I play bullet on my phone constantly. Pls send help.
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>>103279767
Use th eextra vram to run ollama. I wants the xtx, but I don't know how to justify it.
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Does anyone have the chart that has the efficiency for AM5 motherboards?
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>>103279940
That was a few years ago. I actually got a batch of these. They hummed like crazy at certain RPMs and you could actually feel the rotor going full magic wand mode if you put your finger on it. As of revision 3 it has been fixed. I got new batches now and it's pretty damn silent. Cheapest was to have a decently silent PC.
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>>103279957
Are you running in gen4 x4 slot?
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>>103276455
What budget do you need for a 4k capable gaming setup? Europe.
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>>103280198
>Just run an LLM
ytho
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What are some floppy friendly towers?
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>>103280209
Efficiency?
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>>103280227
How are you even going to connect it?
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>>103280223
I would actually be pretty cool if we can train one locally based on my current codebase. I'd want to try one for programming.
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>>103280181
no, the # of lanes stays the same
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>>103280239
NTA, find an ide to sata converter?
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>>103280211
Yep. For clarifications sake im using a b550-f
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>>103280256
but a Gen 5 x8 should run like a Gen 4 x16
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>>103280087
9600x is pretty new, nothing newer is coming for a while. How much is 7700x or 7900x over there? Compared to 9600x? Do you already have a processor?
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>>103280227
I once showed a floppy disk to a little girl and she just laughed at me.
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>>103280263
Assuming the rog strix, the top slot right? Firmwares up to date?
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>>103280236
IIRC it's wattage pull or performance. I just know gigabyte was over performing due to their mobos being overwatted
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>>103280273
no because thy are a physical connection and can't magically multiplicate. if there's 8 of them you can only use up to 8.
so a gen5x8 card will run at gen4x8 speed.
a gen 4x8 card will also run at 4x8 speed.
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>>103280305
Yes. To all. Im using the correct slot,updated firmware. I tried it formatted and nothing changed.
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Wonder if 5xxx cards will work on b450 or if it'll need a bios update
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>>103279372
Is there some wire touching the fans? DeskTop, DeskSide don't matter.
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>>103280319
If temps look fine and the performance is worse than what other people post online, consider a RMA.
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I gave my kingston ddr5 ram for RMA today, how long does it typically take?
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I didn't expect this thing to have a remote. Can I just not plug it in and change the setting with the mobo rgb software?
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>>103279088
its so fucking over budgetbros
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thoughts on the jonsbo z20?
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>>103280316
>gen5x8 card
give me one example of a card that uses gen5x8
Most like the the slot is a Gen5 x16 but gets downgraded to a Gen 5 x 8 (same as a Gen 4 x 16 speed)
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>>103280323
I thought bios update was only for new CPUs? You only need some new drivers right? These days, if might only need an update to geforce experience.
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>>103280379
what are we even talking about, i assumed >>103280053 was asking about a 5x8 card?
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i wish the US gov would just give up on intel and buy them out, then give their fabs to AMD, then make anyone left working at intel to wear clown shoes and dance for our amusement
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>>103280379
>>103280399
Budget RTX 50, RDNA4 and Battlemage will probably be 5x8.
So I am worried about the implications of that on a B550 motherboard since they will run on 4x8 in that case.
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>>103280039
EU fag here too and I regularly buy stuff off Aliexpress. Ordered three 5700x3Ds for friends to upgrade their PCs who arrived and worked just fine, but they usually come with OEM "tray" packaging instead of the retail box.

Just yesterday I received a Vader 4 Pro controller and a kit of TeamGroup A-die DDR5, both packed perfectly and shipped quite fast.
The RAM specifically even has a 90 days return policy, it's even more comfy than Amazon.
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>>103280406
>wanting less competition
Intel has been shitting the bed for a while now, but if they disappear it's going to be a lot worse for consumers
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Should I go with AM4 or better something else? I don't want to upgrade anything for ~5 years.

It's for work (PhotoShop, AutoCAD etc.)
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>>103280455
AM5 desu. What's your budget?
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How do I best gamble to make 128GB or 192GB DDR5 at 5200MHz minimum / 6000MHz desired work on 7950X + X670E Hero?
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>>103280410
which b650 mobo doesnt have a gen 4 x 16?
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God FUCKING DAMNIT one my nvmes suddenly stopped being detected after a restart. Hopefully it just needs to be reseated. At least it isn't the boot drive
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>>103280399
pretty sure that anon is talking about lane sharing
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>>103280410
It won't be too big of an issue because 12 GB. See RX 6500 XT 4 vs 8 GB comparisons with PCIE 4.0 x4. The 4 GB version really struggles when the working set exceeds onboard memory and has to use the gimped PCIE connection to system memory.
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>>103280443
yeah maybe but idk, intel is just cooked and they are absolutely just coasting on the fact that the US gov refuses to let them fail. it's the same shit as with boeing. not sure what anyone can do though, they are barely competition at this point anyhow
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>>103276455
what are the chances of the FE models of the 5080 or even the 5090 being at max, 308mm in length?
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>>103279088
lol where's that retard that keeps screeching MUH VRAM
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>>103280474
Well, putting the drive in my enclosure works. It seems like the motherboard just doesn't want to recognize the drive. Weirdly, it was being recognized earlier.
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>>103280460
>X670E Hero
That's as good as it gets for boards. Try to find some ddr5 6000 kits with good timing. The best gamble would be to get the once from qvl. Although, I'd just get any hynix sticks at 6000 and just chuck it in and see if it posts at jedec and oc from there. There is some thing called Ranks, you'd want to minimize for that. Also, you might have better luck with 9950x + x870e boards because newer = better?
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>>103279088
Why is 7900xtx so shit? AMD why you do this to me?
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>OLED came in 2 days early
Time to get started on this return
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>>103280579
What happended?
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>>103280599
I don't want to have to babysit this thing running screencare programs 24/7 and only use it 2hrs a day or else it shits itself.
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Is there a fan set up that makes your build immunized against dust?
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>>103280574
you get what you pay for ($750)
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>>103280617
lol you get this concerned about FUD AFTER you made the purchase? retard, but good call, QD-OLED is the way to go after all.
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>>103280645
Get an air conditioner that filters dust by default or, just get air purifier.
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Is the difference worth $100?
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>>103280617
Stop being retarded and just use it. What if it lasts only three years, you'll have much better monitors by then.
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>>103280617
https://youtu.be/wp87F6gczGw
you have to really try.
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>>103280645
A real front filter plus positive case pressure is about as good as it gets on the PC side. You should also take some steps to reduce dust in the home; replace/upgrade your AC filters, wash your carpets, buy a purifier with filter, etc. There are some "industrial" type cases with full HEPA filtration but that's overkill and also chokes your airflow so probably not necessary. For reference, I have an OG Meshify C, with added front fans, that hasn't needed cleaning since I bought it.
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>>103280664
i have an air purifier (true HEPA + carbon filter) and dust is just unavoidable no matter what you do
the amount i do vaccuum off the carbon filter is crazy so i guess i'd have a lot more if i didn't, but still need to use pressurized air for sure

i've stopped caring about positive pressure or whatever within case and just focused on exhaust which is far more efficient
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>>103280660
Concerned the entire time but everyone says different things. Some people say it takes 3 months, others, 6. Some say they don't replace even within warranty.
It is a QD-OLED and I've heard the same stories about it too.
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>>103280710
I see you mistake, it's a Gigabyte.
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>>103280678
this is true, i'm going to CC later today to see OLED monitors in person to see the difference (i have the steam deck OLED + OLED phone but I wanna see if having it as a big screen is really worth spending CAD$1000+)

i've had my previouis 1440p 144hz 27" screens for like.. maybe 2 years, i'll still use them obviously as secondary monitor though
the 1080p TN monitor i had prior lasted a good years though and was still ok
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>>103280720
Its one of the top rated next to the Samsung G8/p. and LG.
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>>103280355
what happened
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>>103280685
i guess if i didnt even bother getting a screen protector for my iphone15 why am i so worried about burn in
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>>103280710
I have the Dell Alienware 4K 240 QD-OLED solely because they will ship you a replacement before you send the current one back if you have burn-in problems. I do have black wallpaper so it can appear to be off when I drag my windows away from it, and I do have a screensaver after 15m, but no burn-in after 9 months. Usage ranges from 3-8 hours a day, with either Chrome or games on the screen.
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I have some old phenom ii, pentium gold (2013??) and some shintel i3 nahelem or skylake. Not sure. Is any of them worth keeping? I want it for NAS. Also, they randomly shut off while connected to monitor sometimes.
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Anyone know of any good deals on the 5700X3D in europe? Apparently the americans can get them for cheap on aliexpress, but even with the codes it only goes down to 175-180 for me.
Also, what sort of ddr4 ram should I get to pair with it? I currently have 2x8gb 3200CL16, is 2x16gb 3200CL16 good, or should I spring for some other combination or speed? I've considered adding 2x8gb sticks for 4 sticks total, but I've been told 4 sticks can lead to more problems than doing 2 sticks.
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>>103280734
One of the sticks did not work on x870 board in the same slot. It doesn't even post with one of the sticks.
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so is the point of screensavers on OLED is so the wear is spread out more evenly or what?
i don't get the concept
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>>103280746
Yo, same MT/s with more ram isn't going to give you any more performance. I'd keep the ram and just get new cpu.
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>>103280769
I don't get it either, just switch display off 1-10m of inactivity, I do it for IPS anyway
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>>103280652
>i don't get the concept
Its around the same price as 4080s, but 4080s is much better.
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>>103280746
>I've considered adding 2x8gb sticks for 4 sticks total, but I've been told 4 sticks can lead to more problems than doing 2 sticks.
This is what I am doing with my own 5700x3d build. 3200/16 should be fine even with 4 sticks.
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>front USB panel cable came off
>it took a pin with it

Is there any way to fix it or am I just fucked? Its not the worst thing in the world, its the top right pin. I tested and everything works fine except one of my two USB-A ports in the front of my case no longer work.

I was thinking maybe I could bend the pin back in place and use tweezers to put it into the slot on the connector and hope it works? Not sure if that would even work.

Worst case the motherboard is new enough that I can still return it and just hope they dont notice the damage. But I also dont want to deal with reinstalling a new mobo.
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honestly i kinda regret going for the 7700x instead of the 5700X3D
I have no plans to replace the CPU ever without also replacing the whole thing

I guess it's better in more things than the several games cache benefits a lot from? 7700x vs 5700X3D was strangely going to be the same cost for my build because of better bundle/discounts on 7700X being cleared out so I don't think I really had a choice
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>>103280769
I use the built-in "ribbon" and "mystify" screensavers in Windows so it's mostly black and just some random bits of color. Nothing staying still and wearing the subpixels with the same color is really the goal. And the PC is instantly ready to resume usage, of course just put it to sleep if you aren't coming back shortly. Waking from sleep is slower if you have an Nvidia GPU and 3 monitors+DSC in use so I really hate it, generally.
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>>103280809
>honestly i kinda regret going for the 7700x instead of the 5700X3D
are you stupid? 7700x is much faster, zen3 IPC sucks
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>>103278835
Took me quite a while to learn how to remove or disable all unnecessary crap in Win 10. There will only be even more of this crap in Win 11 and probably even harder to remove/disable. If you compare performance then do it with the purified versions of both OS, not with all their bloat- and spyware running.
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>>103280809
>I have no plans to replace the CPU ever without also replacing the whole thing
Why did you buy into the platform of longevity and in-socket upgrades without intending to use it? Just get the 11800X3D here in 18 months, or 9800X3D on discount, what a retarded thing to cry about.
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>>103280824
https://youtu.be/o9c64gx7w90
here, just use this
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>>103279784
8800XT is expected to perform about as well as the 7900XT, but it will have better AI & RT hardware.

>>103280506
I wouldn't be surprised to see the 5080 FE use the same cooler dimensions as the 4080/Super FE (305mm length).
NVIDIA might just make some superficial design changes to the RTX 40 series FE cards for everything but the 5090.
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>>103280812
>Waking from sleep is slower if you have an Nvidia GPU and 3 monitors+DSC in use so I really hate it, generally.
So this is a video card issue? I thought my budget G27Q was the culprit.
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>>103280849
>I wouldn't be surprised to see the 5080 FE use the same cooler dimensions as the 4080/Super FE (305mm length).
5080 has to have some magic dust in it if they plan to release same core count on same node with same exact GDDR6 VRAM.

You think 8800XT going to be 200w card?
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>>103280153
do mattesisters REALLY
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>>103280788
well yeah in that case i'd also go for 4080 super, dependent on your local deals i guess

i just ordered the merc310 7900xtx for the equivalent of US$723 off amazon canada
the cheapest available (asus tuf) on amazon for the 4080 super is the equivalent of US$1047
on other retailers, cheapest I've found is the crappier gigabyte AIB which is equivalent of US$925 so still more than $200
I thought I'd go Nvidia this gen for raytracing but it still isn't widespread enough for the games I want to play. maybe next time I upgrade in 5 years when consoles adopt raytracing more, then I'll consider it more strongly (but then AMD will probably be more usable with RT by then because consoles)
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>>103279260
8GB is for smartphones
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>>103280821
>>103280830
because i may be autistic and i like the idea of having the close to the best on a platform for minmax purposes
for the same reason it feels bad jamming in a gen3 SSD into a gen4 m2 slot
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>>103280860
Apparently, Nvidia has a retarded non-standard implementation of DSC so yes that is the cause of all the flickers and the monitor being slow to wake if it uses DSC. Even worse since I am maxing the display bus out with two other monitors equaling 5K+4K 240 with DSC, and using DSC basically uses the bandwidth of two ports so I am capped at 3 displays, the 4th port is useless, maybe some 1080p garbage will work on it. This is a 4090 FE by the way. That is honestly the number one quality of life improvement I want out of Blackwell. AMD does flicker too but it is faster, however, the drivers are ass so they always go back. This is really my only issue with Nvidia.
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I WANT TO GET AN OLED MONITOR BUT I ALSO PLAY SPREADSHEET GAMES LIKE STELLARIS A LOT
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>>103280821
7700X is barely better than 7600X in most games. 5700X3D is actually better in a lot of games. Look at this lol. Non X3D is just not good desu
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>>103280677
What website is that
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>>103279483
Buy Arctic Liquid Freezer AIO only! They are German engineered and come with a six years warranty.
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>>103280750
weird. kingston is usually fine
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>>103280919
stellaris got dark UI and no HDR, should be fine if you keep to a classic 120cd/m2 standard

>>103280927
and it 5700 got 5700 loading times, assets loading and other stutter crap. zen3 sucks. zen4 is when AMD figured out IPC.
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>>103280927
>20fps difference
>1080p

Yeah looks like 9800X3d should be the only thing the tard should be worrying about if he wants to "min/max" Whatever the fuck he means by that when he's buying last-gen midrange parts.
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>>103280864
>same node
Blackwell is on a more refined, custom 4nm node for NVIDIA (4NP vs 4N). The step up to GDDR7 should also contribute to performance gains.
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-blackwell-platform-arrives-to-power-a-new-era-of-computing
https://images.nvidia.com/aem-dam/en-zz/Solutions/technologies/NVIDIA-ADA-GPU-PROVIZ-Architecture-Whitepaper_1.1.pdf
There will be performance improvements, but I would be surprised to see anything above 20% native for the RTX 5080.

>You think 8800XT going to be 200w card?
Probably 280~320W.
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>>103280960
>The step up to GDDR7 should also contribute to performance gains.
all leaks say GDDR7 is only for the 5090.
>Probably 280~320W.
My 7900XT runs 230-250w at 2300. That would be failure if they can't make 8800XT a 200w card.
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>>103280927
i only got the 7700x because it would be cheaper than building from 7600x alone
canada computers have mobo+ram bundles for them since they're clearing it out

it would probably be an extra CAD$500 if i had to step up to the 9800X3D
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>>103280951
They're all usually fine because they're all buying ICs from 3 manufacturers and standardized PCBs from a dew dozen. You still get random defects that make it past QC though. Shit happens.
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>>103280960
+5% higher clocks
+20% bigger die
+10-15% node efficiency/performance gain
+20-30% more power
+GDDR7

We are in for another 50% on 5090v4090 at least boys.
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>>103280927
This is the list with the 7600X3D included btw. #AMDSupremacy
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>>103280989
Nvidia left a lot of performance on the table with Ada. Even the 4090 is a cut down die. Would be super easy to hit 4090 (±5%) performance on the 5080 with GDDR6X. Not that they'll do it though - far more profitable to feed gamers microscopic chips and reserve the good stuff for datacentres.
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>>103279515
It's worth to have more space around the socket. Any high DIMM will fit in any slot. I can access much more easily all cable headers around. Cleaning will be easier. Installing the cooler will be easier. Installing and upgrading the CPU will be easier. Put on fresh thermal paste after a couple of years? Also easier. Not having a cramped case is PRICELESS! And AIOs make a less annoying noise than air coolers.
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>>103280989
>all leaks say GDDR7 is only for the 5090
I think the RTX 5080 needs GDDR7 to hit at least 20% gen-over-gen improvement if you don't account for any exclusive performance-boosting software features.
It's just my guess but I don't see another way considering the 5080's chip is going to be area-limited to serve as a power-efficient laptop GPU (laptop 5090 & mobile Quadro/RTX GPU).
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>>103280821
zen 3 has the same IPC as zen 4 lmao
5700X3D is kinda clock limited though, 5800X3D is where it's at but they don't produce those anymore
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>>103280664
>>103280701
Why isn't there some device that attracts dust to it? Like it maybe stops working after some time, because you need to refresh/replace something inside once it gets full of dust
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>>103281035
>Nvidia left a lot of performance on the table with Ada.
Wishful thinking. If rumors are true, we got another Fermi on our hands. Would be fine for 5090 because it got 20k cores, don't think 5070 going to be fun.
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>>103281109
It's called a vacuum and it's loud for a reason.
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>>103281151
It's not wishful thinking. Every GPU, barring the AD102-300-A1, is around a tier below historical trends in die size (or core count). Wishful thinking would be believing they'll reverse that. Rather, I expect more glorified laptop chips.
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>>103281193
>a tier below historical trends in die size
but not temperature or power draw. you know these things have to run somehow not to mention give reasonable yields.
sub 7nm game is different from anything before it.
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>>103281005
> We are in for another 50% on 5090v4090 at least boys.
I hope so but I suspect it will be 40% at best.
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>>103281261
it's literary +50% cores. it would be a disaster if it isn't 50% over 4090.
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>>103280989
People have been undervolting their cards for years and getting the same or better performance while consuming less power. Expect the same for the new generation GPUs, factories can't balance watt/perf.
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>>103280771
>Yo, same MT/s with more ram isn't going to give you any more performance. I'd keep the ram and just get new cpu.
I'm aware, it's more of a "while I'm fucking around in there, might as well do this as well" sort of thing. 16gb ram is still doing perfectly fine so far, I guess I'm just slightly concerned ddr4 will start getting more expensive in the future as more and more stuff is using ddr5, so but the time I might need 32gb it'll be a lot more expensive than grabbing some now. Though maybe I shouldn't be concerned about that, I don't really know how ram prices have changed historically.
>>103280802
>This is what I am doing with my own 5700x3d build. 3200/16 should be fine even with 4 sticks.
Would it not potentially cause problems? I've just been warned that 4 sticks can get mighty fiddly, especially when you're not buying the same brand/series.
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>>103281230
Not sure where you're coming from; Ada is significantly more efficient than Ampere (though it was somewhat of an outlier in the other direction). The high stock power limits on the top tier cards are a red herring - excessive juice to squeeze out that last 5%. In any case, efficiency is mostly a function of node and die area; with an improved node it'd be very easy to give the 5080 around 4090 class performance. It would, however, mean cutting in to their insane margins so obviously it won't happen. Or it will and the 5080 will be $1500.
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what have you anons bought so far for black friday?
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>>103277361
Asrock uefi ui is just hd remaster of 30 years old phoenix bios ui.
And that's a good thing.
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>>103280282
Don't have a processor yet, it's the only part I'm really missing (aside from some CL30 ram). 7900X is like $250, 7700X is like $145 or less.

Should I jump on this $170 9600X or wait for a possible black friday bundle deal?
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>>103276455
bros, is this a good deal or did I get ripped off?
https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/264182/amd-r7-7700x-cpu-asus-tuf-gaming-b650m-e-wifi-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram.html

it's about $350 USD. I don't know if the 7700x is any good tho. there was no deal on 7800x3d
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>>103281305
perf/watt=/=absolute numbers
GPUs run ~80C/250-300w for ages, that's been the target forever. 5080 is a 350w card.
nvidia pushes 20k cores in 5090 and see where it got them? 600w.
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>>103281279
I think availability is more important than anything else. I would get a 5090 even if it was only 40%. If only I could buy one for MSRP+200? anywhere. I anticipate an insane price hike with initial prices of ~$3,000 to milk all the whales. Whales like me i.e. But I'm not willing to pay any extra just to get the card some months earlier. I'm running on a 4090 after all.
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>>103281306
nothing but I need to consoom an oled
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>>103281279
It will be 50% for AI operations only
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>>103281298
>Would it not potentially cause problems?
At 3200/16, I doubt it. I am buying identical sticks though but Zen 3 is specced for 3200 by default.
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>bought a new memory kit a month ago
>ran fine with XMP on
>in the last week I've been getting increasingly frequent restarts with nothing in the event viewer
>the only fix is disabling XMP
What the fuck, I thought basic 3200CL16 just werks on everything, have I degraded it or something?
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>>103281426
mobo jank, aka some settings getting fucked up due to enabling xmp, some volts to ram some where, some settings
update bios and enable xmp but manually adjust volts or something to correct figures
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>>103281426
https://www.ocbase.com
if it passes the 1 hour memory test it's not the RAM
also, post full specs
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>>103279974
Maybe, how tight do you need it to be?
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>>103281365
Mr Singh, Saar, I'm not even allowed to see the prices in your Turdeau pajeet shithole accessing from Portugal. What hell on Earth is going on there?
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>>103280919
I HAVE AN OLED MONITOR AND I ALSO PLAY PLAY SPREADSHEET GAMES LIKE STELLARIS A LOT
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>>103281367
Look at the picture anon. 4090 @ 300W is like 2% slower than the full 450W stock limit. Maybe the 5090 will have the transistor count to utilize a >300W power limit but that doesn't matter to what I'm saying.
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>>103281483
I have an old monitor that is still good enough. No need for an oled one.
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>>103281446
BIOS is new (from September). Could it be that the new versions are meant for Zen 3 and they're fucking with my old CPU?
>>103281449
It passed the test when the kit was new, now the computer won't stay on for an hour even when idle with XMP on. I'll redo the test with XMP off but I expect it to pass.
Specs:
>2700X (chink 5700X3D on the way)
>Gigabyte X470 Gaming 7
>2x8GB Corsair LPX 3200CL16
>1070Ti
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>>103281464
Yeah I tried and it is rigid only near the plug itself. Cool.
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>>103281546
2700X memory controller/infinity fabric is weird
there's no way your kit degraded with XMP
try downclocking to 3000
>Could it be that the new versions are meant for Zen 3 and they're fucking with my old CPU?
maybe but i was always running the latest BIOS on my old 1700X and it always ran way better than the launch benchmarks
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>>103281469
my apologies saar. it's this for about $350 USD/500CAD


AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core/16-Thread 5nm ZEN 4 CPU
Reg: $409.00
TeamGroup T-FORCE VULCAN 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL30 UDIMM
Reg: $109.99
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI AMD AM5 B650 micro-ATX (mATX) motherboard
Reg: $199.99
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>>103280933
rtings
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>>103281546
>Could it be that the new versions are meant for Zen 3 and they're fucking with my old CPU?
Possible, but unlikely. Did you reset the bios settings after updating?
I had some bios versions ignore xmp auto voltage and try to run 3200 @ 1.2V unless manually specified.
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>>103281564
If you think it's the CPU (it could be somewhat faulty as well, the one I originally got had severe issues and I RMAd it) I'm fine with sitting at 2133MHz for a week or two until the new CPU arrives.
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>>103281592
yeah if you have a 5700X3D on the way just cruise along at 2133 until it arrives
like i said there's no way your kit degraded with XMP
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Is there a PC buying guide for people who are in full time employment, are aged over 25, and don't play video games? Sick of RGB and gayming shit.
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>>103281629
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac
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>>103281629
go in bios/software/settings and turn off rgb if it has rgb
very simple
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>>103281629
1) Buy all the RGB and gayming shit.
2) Buy picrel case.
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>look at me im so mature
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>>103281576
> I don't know if the 7700x is any good tho
It's good hardware of course but not the best. Compare to 9700X prices. Decide what you can even afford and get it. 9800X3D would be the best. 9700X second. 7700X third. 7800X3D n/a.
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>>103281629
Turn it off in BIOS
or download
Trixx,openrgb
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>>103281649
How does that box cool it's components? With vapor-compression refrigeration like a fridge?
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>>103281665
I'm definitely not needing the best because I bought 7800 XT GPU

Do you know if the R7 7700X is worth paying 100CAD more compared to the 7600?
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>>103281710
you want 8c in 2024+
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>>103281698
Boxes don't cool components. Coolers cool components.
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How do I cope that I am in full time employment, aged over 25, and still play video games, especially children's video games (roblox)?
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>>103281731
damn, games really use 8 cores now?
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>>103281806
>How do I cope
With escapism. Play more video games.
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>>103281306
I bought the discounted MSI MAG 240Hz QD-OLED, which cost me about $520 with taxes.
I wanted an OLED for better contrast & blacks, but I read QD-OLED black will appear purple in bright rooms.
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>>103281960
>which cost me about $520 with taxes.
on sale it goes for 1.15k in euroland
tired....
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>>103281960
>OLED
>in bright rooms
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>>103281806
There's nothing to cope about. You're a grown ass man who has earned the means to enjoy what he wants. Do whatever you want and stop giving a shit about what some fucking normalfags think is an acceptable way to live.
I don't get why it's socially acceptable to spend your free time in front of a screen watching slop from a dozen different streaming services, but spending that same time in front of a screen somehow makes a manchild if you happen to be interacting with the media on screen through a controller or keyboard.
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>>103281806
you cope by realizing you're not one of those degenerates out there snorting coke, committing crimes and killing each other over dumb shits
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>>103281306
4tb 990 pro
4tb sn850x
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>>103281989
Americans can buy stuff for cheap while we have to pay 2-3x the price
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>>103281997
>I don't get why it's socially acceptable to spend your free time in front of a screen watching slop from a dozen different streaming services, but spending that same time in front of a screen somehow makes a manchild if you happen to be interacting with the media on screen through a controller or keyboard.
that's an easy one, it's because video games don't push enough kosher-halal DEI perspectives
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If I put in the ARGB 3-pin plug from the ENDORFY AIO in the Gen2 sockets from the ASUS mobo will this work?
how do I control them/change colors? Bios? mobo desktop software?
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Call me retarded but I'm actually considering battlemage as an upgrade to my rx 580, only if it's priced right however.
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>>103281997
Watching TV shows or movies at home with friends or family are social activities.
Boomers don't understand the Ventrilo/Discord socialization.
Even if you watch those shows alone, you can share reactions with coworkers/acquaintances/neighbors.
They value in-person relationships with physical & eye-to-eye contact (handshake, hug, etc.)
Old values, and it doesn't have to be in extremes.
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>>103281989
smuggle it from russia, it's 750 here.
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>>103281997
>I don't get why it's socially acceptable
Video games is the incel equivalent of normies streaming Netflix slop for hours at a time every evening.
They're both terrible ways to live. Stop coping.
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>>103280220
It's surprisingly cheap. ~€1800 plus the screen and peripherals.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/hWPPsp
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>>103280220
depends entirely on what you wanna play in 4k
if you wanna play the Master Chief Collection in 4k you'll be fine with a poorfag build
playing Cyberjunk 2077 in 4k max settings and a palatable frame rate won't be possible unless you go for the high end
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is it really worth getting a 5700x3d? how many years do you think it could last combined with a good GPU? 5800x3d was better (even if just marginally) and was already 2.5 years old. i'd be upgrading from a 2600x so i'm sure it would be a massive upgrade regardless, but yeah
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bread?
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>>103282412
since it's the last CPU you'll ever use on the AM4 platform you might as well go with the best one available
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>>103282412
For a new build, maybe if you were getting it for like $100 off aliexpress? 32GB DDR4 is like $50, and you can get the cheapest mobo with adequate VRMs/cooling that won't bottleneck it (not like you'll be switching it to a 5950X afterwards anyways) prob another $100
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>>103282412
yes, can easily last you 5-10 years depending on which games you play
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>>103280739
>power hungry
>shuts down randomly
sounds great for a nas
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>>103282568
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