VRAM doesn't matter.

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>>103596031
is there any difference between these two?
The build you guys recommended me a while back says to get the one on the left (green frame) its NOT on amazon (i know i can buy elsewhere) and the one on the right is on amazon so its a quicker and easier purchase for me. they seem very similar and im retarded

>>103596092
right looks like a v2 cost optimized version for profitmaxxing

>>103596092
>>103596114
The Evo has smaller, shittier fans and a a smaller heatsink.

>>103596092
right probably is boosted 10-50mhz more out of the box which doesn't mean anything

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>>103596092
just avoid zotac and MSI

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>>103596090
>VRAM doesn't ma... ACK!

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>>103596092
>>103596141
>>103596201
But how is the right one otherwise then? any recommendations for better one? willing to splurge a bit more money
This is my build, (I was already told not to buy windows and a sound card, they are just there cos its a screenshot)
Btw is everything compatible?
I ordered most parts already, just need to get motherboard and video card
Thanks

>>103596288
i meant left one, the one without the shitty fans

Is an A770 worth it for £120?

>>103596246
what's worng with MSI? I have one of their motherboards and it's rock solid.
>>103596288
It's a 4070, it probably doesn't matter. I'd pay $30 more for the non-Evo. If it's cheaper by $30 or more I'd get the Evo.
>buying windows
Unless you actually need Windows 11, then get a Windows 10 IOT LTSC iso and use MAS to activate it, it has security support until 2032. Spend the $140 on an Arctic Freezer 3 AIO or upgrading to a 4070 TI.

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>>103596090

>>103596258
The way it's meant to be paid

>>103595097
Reconnect gpu cable to both gpu and psu, maybe even try different cable
Plug gpu in another pci slot if your motherboard has it

>>103596320
>Windows 10 IOT LTSC iso and use MAS
what the hell is that

>>103596258
>>103596333
what games/applications are these? i have a 16gb card and can only really max my shit out if i run like 3 or 2 games at once

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>>103596258
no game shoulduse over 10gb of vram

>>103596358
Unreal Engine / RE Engine
Applications known for vram leaks

>>103596346
It's windows 10 without all the garbage microsoft inserts into regular windows. It's meant for "stability" focused installs like you might want in a hospital, chemical plant etc.
https://rentry.co/LTSC
Read the introduction section
ignore the shit about debloating/optimise offline/msmg toolkit, it's already debloated enough.
download the iso, use rufus to make a bootable USB stick, copy over your important drivers like graphics, network (if you need it), chipset. then install it as normal.
then use this (method 1 with the powershell script for HWID) to activate it
https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

>>103596246
Why?

>>103596420
I get why such a guide exists, but I legitimately do not have the time to do all this

>>103596432
>Zotac
shitty fans made that expiereince first hand
>msi
shitty in general

>>103596361
I want higher quality textures, ray tracing and frame gen etc all things that use vram

>>103596625
Older games used less then 10GB in storage total and look nearly as good as modern games
also
>frame gen
Why do you want that?
These frames are worthless
Thats totally worthless, atleast upscaling can be somewhat decent, frame gen is 100% useless

>>103596298
Really? No-one?

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>>103596090
On average, for gaming, it doesn't
Reconstruction > performance > VRAM for general gaming
Generally speaking, cards have enough VRAM for their performance. Cards like the 4060 aren't really that great for new games because they can't even render 1080p without massive settings reduction, and while DLSS Quality at 1080p is a lifesaver for a poorfag, it's obviously not the first option like it is at 1440p or 4K. Basically the principle is that a card will be too weak for its intended purpose by the time its VRAM becomes a real problem

>>103596288
At that price, you should get the Gaming X Slim
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JJZXsY/msi-gaming-x-slim-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-rtx-4070-super-12g-gaming-x-slim
But really you should wait a couple of weeks for the 5070. It'll be faster than the 4070 Super, probably for the same price. It also might have some DLSS4 exclusive feature

>>103596298
Eh, maybe for some specific workload

>>103596358
>what games/applications are these?
Even the 4090 had an out of memory issue in Jedi Survivor because the program is trash. And of course you can apply settings like Supreme in the new Indiana Jones and break cards for no reason

>>103596639
depends on the game alot of new games can look great some look shitty

going from 80-144fps by using frame gen on TLOU part 1 is an objectively better experience

>>103596670
Until you move your mouse

>>103596298
yes

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>>103596677
nu uh

>>103596298
If you do some video encoding and video editing then yeah dude, that's a steal

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>>103596625
>I want higher quality textures, ray tracing and frame gen etc
I agree, but I don't think brute force with hardware is the way to go. Why should I have to foot the bill for developer incompetence? If you give devs more hardware, they'll just haphazardly use it. I thank god for the Series S every time I think about it

>>103596639
>frame gen
>These frames are worthless
Nope, you can get around CPU limits like in MSFS. 60 FPS is shit smoothness and shit latency, while 120 FPS with FG is decent fluidity with shit latency, so I'll take smooth shit over shit shit every day

>>103596704
in it's current state TLOU part 1 looks amazing on ultra everything at 1440p using frame gen and upscaling and it only uses about 10-11gb vram which in my opinion is a reasonable amount for how the game looks

B580 restock in UK doko? I thought the new shipments arrived yesterday.

>>103596670
That depends on your monitor.
The only way it will look better, is on a shitty LCD monitor that needs high fps for good motion.
On good monitors even 60fps looks perfectly smooth.
60fps on my iiyama looks smoothern then 144fps on your shitty lcd

>There are unscrupulous people that intentionally raise their VRAM speed high enough to be unstable, causing the bench to become corrupted, but still keep running. This can greatly increase the score. This is why HWBot (benchmark competition site) requires ECC On for the 40 series GPUs now.

Nvidia cheating not only in benchmarks but crashing in games

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>>103596090
Also keep in mind pic related

>>103596704
>smooth shit over shit shit every day
60fps is perfectly smooth on my Monitor

>>103596727
unfortunately for you, your deluded fantasy can be shattered with a high speed camera and the UFO test

>>103596740
60 FPS is a slideshow for me
After you're used to 120+ FPS, can't really think 60 FPS is good anymore

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>>103596740
60fps cuck

>>103596739
pointless comparison when nvidia >8gb starts at $450

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>buying Nvidia GPU

>>103596724
CCL has them restocked now but they upped their pricing from £269.99 for the ASRock Steel Legend and Sparkle Titan to £299.99 and the ASRock Challenger from £259.99 to £279.99.
https://www.cclonline.com/pc-components/graphics-cards/intel-arc-b580-graphics-cards/

Overclockers have mentioned that they're shipping to the preorderfags first. Don't get anything from Amazon

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>>103596758
>comparing equal vram is pointless
The 3060 12 GB is $270 in the USA if you're a muh VRAM obsesser

>>103596766
Jesus Christ how can a dev implement this and call it okay

>>103596774
b580 is $250 and 40% faster though

>>103596741
>high speed camera and UFO test
Thats CRT home turf lol
Your 144hz lcd stands no chance
>>103596748
>>103596755
60fps on lcd =/= 60fps on a good monitor
60fps on my monitor is like 1000fps on yours

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>>103596783
Incompetence. Also anon >>103596766 is a known /pcbg/ liar who likes to represent FSR and TAA as DLSS, or use DLSS in its Performance or Ultra Performance modes to pretend that that's the standard experience

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I'm looking for a USB switching hub to share mouse/keyboard/usb audio across different PCs at the press of a button or remote.

Does anyone make such a device where all ports are on the back side?
I want to mount it to my desk so the buttons are accessible but having cables come out the front and back makes for a very messy and unmanageable setup. I realize if the USBs were all tiny wireless dongles that wouldn't be an issue, but I'm plugging wired peripherals in so I want all the ports on the read of it.

>>103596768
>£269.99 for the ASRock Steel Legend and Sparkle Titan to £299.99
Motherfuckers

>>103596797
>>103596774
i am genuienly asking this:
Are you a paid shill?
You are in every one of these threads shilling DLSS
I have a hard time believing you are doing it for free

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>>103596797
DLSS still looks shit

>>103596817
he has been doing it for (as far as I am aware) several months now, he is very easy to spot as he typically uses GameGPU to show perf charts and usually replies to several posts at a time

I am honestly impressed with the level of shilling he does, doing it nearly every day like it's his job or something

>>103596817
https://web.archive.org/web/20130915125814/https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/did-nvidia-hire-online-actors-to-promote-their-products
https://web.archive.org/web/20130915143001/https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/nvidias-perez-they-act-as-our-voice
>Did Nvidia Hire Online Actors to Promote Their Products?
>About a week ago, The Consumerist stumbled upon claims made by various gaming websites that graphics chip manufacturer Nvidia, in cooperation with the Arbuthnot Entertainment Group (AEG), had seeded various gaming and PC hardware enthusiast sites with pro-Nvidia shills. That is to say, that AEG would hire employees to create ‘personas’ in various gaming communities, slowly building up the trust of other members by frequent posting unrelated to Nvidia, to later cash in that trust with message board postings talking up the positive qualities of Nvidia’s products.
>>103596836
>he has been doing it for (as far as I am aware) several months now
several years

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>>103596819
I know you dont want it to be true
but 25 year old office monitors are better then your brand new gayming LCD
sorry

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>>103596784
>backpedaling
I thought you said more than 8 GB VRAM on an Nvidia card starts at $450? The B580 is about like a 4060 in raw performance, so maybe 20% faster. But the B580's drivers are far worse, and in terms of games from the last five years, XeSS has much less integration (as XeSS is relatively new)

>>103596817
>for free
You're here too, your power level is just lower, which is why you're amazed that someone can post a few graphs

And then you have schizos like >>103596848 who point to rumors from 2006

>>103596836
>>103596848
>several months now
hes been around since 2019 or so

>>103596848
I mean if I was paid to shill Nvidia products on forums I would honestly lol

>>103596860
yes the point is you either get no vram, or they cuck you with no gpu performance. get fucked.

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>>103596828
Better than TAA (forced in most modern games unless you use DLSS or XeSS), which is in turn better than muh native

>>103596862
Longer than that, I just don't have images from pre-2019 easily available

Technically speaking nvidia cards are actually pretty good since Maxwell.
But the drivers leave a lot to be desired. And the brand is stigmatized.

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>>103596860
I have an Nvidia GPU and I dont use DLSS because its shit
Fuck TAA

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less for more

>>103596889
i wish i was selling xx50 cards for triple the market value too

>>103596886
They're the same tsmc cards as AMD but with locked down firmware and proprietary crap like CUDA.

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>>103596881
>Better than TAA (forced in most modern games unless you use DLSS or XeSS), which is in turn better than muh native
DLSS forces TAA
its a comparison of shit vs shit
>>103596886
The drivers are the reason I bought my 4070super desu
I had major driver issues with my old radeon card
idgaf about AI nonsense, I just dont want to deal with drivers nonsense

>>103596881
what motivates you to post on /pcbg/ to shill so much?
is it just 4chan or do you have multiple sites you shill on simultaneously?

genuinely curious

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>>103596872
>no vram
I would like Nvidia cards to come with more VRAM as well, but that's a bit of a stretch. And I'm seeing that 8 GB on Geforce is worth 16 GB on Radeon, at least to a muh VRAM obsesser

And if you really want 12 GB or more of VRAM, Nvidia is the cheapest
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#xcx=0&sort=price&P=12884901888,51539607552&page=1
And don't forget Nvidia's VRAM is actually useful, not only for gayming, but also for Blender, generative AI, etc.

>>103596886
Nvidia isn't stigmatized (except by narrative promoting AMDrones in /pcbg/), and their drivers are the best of all three GPU venders. There can always be improvements

>>103596914
I sold my 4070 ti super due to all the Windows driver issues and Nvidia is worse at Linux drivers than AMD.

>>103596871
one day he will be replaced by a LLM
>>103596917
i think jensen hired one guy to troll 4chan, i've seen him on other boards
we aren't worth more than that sadly
there's also the boilerplate "why can't AMD compete in the GPU market" threads but OP never responds in those so probably just a bot

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>>103596940
so far i have had a good experience
But I am ready to give Radeon another shot if they have a competitive offer in a few years.
I really dont care about DLSS or framegen since I use a CRT, so I preffer raw performance

>>103596956
I got a 6950xt over a year and a half ago now because it was ridiculously cheap at the time and came with a full priced game, I expected much much worse from the drivers but I have not any issues in actual use other than in one driver version game clips audio would be out of sync but that was fixed in the next driver version so I really don't know why people say they are unstable these days

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>>103596917
>just 4chan
I mostly post in /pcbg/. I like the image board format. As you can see I almost always have a pic related

>>103596940
No you didn't

>>103596976
Not just about stability, although that's better on Geforce as well

>>103596990
Can you incorporate this into your shilling? It highlights the single threaded dx11 driver. Use web.archive.org to view.
http://overclock.pl/articles/show/id/660,8,13,wydajnosc-po-podkreceniu-zestawienie-zbiorcze-gtx-780
http://overclock.pl/articles/show/id/660,9,13,wydajnosc-po-podkreceniu-zestawienie-zbiorcze-r9-290x

notice how he doesn't deny that he's a shill?
I just found that interesting

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Looks like the filter is working kek

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>>103596031

Looked what arrived g, does it look legit? Motherboard that's coming is 2nd hand asus rog strix x670e-e i got for 200 shipped, just need memory now, any suggestions and a new cooler cause I can't find am4 bracket that ships from the US for an artic freezer ii

Modern gaming be like:
>Noisy gaytracing
>blurry resolution
>fake framerates
All thanks to jewvidia, thanks Jensen.

>>103597058
oh nice is that flagging the image files?

>>103597072
Yes:

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have you guys had laptops? I'm thinking about switching from laptop to pc but scared it would suck because I would have to necessary sit on a chair to even browse internet. right now I spend most of my free time on a bed with my laptop, can't imagine spending so much time sitting when I'm already have a job where I sit all day. plus you can't take your pc to another room

>>103597071
Also since Nvidia cares more datacenters, the gamer (consumer) drivers suffer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOmu78qL9Co

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>>103596858
What is it with CRT retards being needlessly obnoxious and usually obsessed with tranime, per the picture?

>>103597105
just do both and build a nice home network with plex, steam remote play, etc

>>103597105
What if your mom let you keep your laptop even if you had a desktop

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>>103597015
Brutal. Those links seem to be a gold mine, I'll pick them apart. This is DX9

>>103596783
Devs are browns theese days.

>>103597131
Is mostly part of the competency crisis, boomer devs have been pretty outspoken on how neo-devs don't know jack shit about optimization or how computer systems actually work at the low level.

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>>103596914
>DLSS forces TAA
No, it replaces TAA, just like XeSS
Better than TAA, which is better than other types of AA

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>>103597071
>blurry resolution
Better image quality than TAA (which is forced) on average and faster on average

>>103597070
>>103597070
I hate being poor how are you guys able to afford a 9800x3d in the first place?

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>>103597071
>Noisy gaytracing
Complain about RT all you want, but it's better than what it replaces

>>103597070
look for corsair's 2x16gb, 2x32gb or 2x48gb kit of 6000 cl30-36-36-76 ram

>>103597046
Of course he is an unironic shill, they have always existed, when I used to browse forums like overclock.net there was 1 or 2 nvidia fanboys shilling 24/7.

He is currently replying to one of my posts but I have already filtered all his shitposts, just filter and ignore.

>>103596889
>4070ti is actually a 4060ti with 100% markup
>4080 is actually a 4070 with 140% markup
>4090 and 4080 performance wise were so far ahead of the competition nshittia didn't even need a 4080/90ti or 100% die
wew

>>103597105
just make a sff

>mobo arrived before Christmas
>cpu arriving after Christmas

Paranoia is setting in. What if the mobo is busted and I won't know till after the return period

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>>103597198
no.
DLSS is temporal just like TAA
its the same dogshit
>TAA is better
TAA is dogshit compared to other MSAA

>>103597359
if you bought it new it should have a warranty

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Hello anons, do you guys know any youtuber or tech website who has tested the new B580 with a 5600g? I need a GPU to play this unoptimized game

>>103597414
Look up B580 pcie 3

>>103597121

they can't afford new tech, and instead of admitting this (there's no shame in being poor, but there is shame in being ashamed to be poor) they LARP that their piece of shit old monitor is somehow superior. it's cope and delusion

Anyone mind explaining to me how to read my Crystal Disk info shit?

Had my PC now for around a year. Always get a little paranoid when my percentages drop but these seem kinda normal?

I have no idea what to make with the data below though (been a few error log entries on the D drive?). My C drive is ticking down quicker (quicker being used "Loosely") because I imagine my drive that holds my OS will have way more read/writes to it.

Is everything looking all good? Again, PC is a little over 1 year old (got it around september of last year iirc)

>>103597470
yes it looks perfect from the picture you attached to your post

>>103597483
Use hwinfo it translates it into human readable data

>>103597483
thanks for your serial numbers, I will now scam samsung and crucial for an RMA

>finally bite the bullet and start up Stalker 2 after the latest patch
>peak unrealslop, everything is smearing, 3090 is brought to its knees, 40fps on 1440p ultra no upscaling
>barely 60fps on dlss quality
>spend 30 minutes tweaking Engine.ini and Input.ini
>atleast in the wilderness i now have 60fps
>still can't unsee small objects flying around dragging an upscaling trail
I fucking hate modern gaming

>>103597519
Gotta thank Jensen for ruining modern gaming.

>>103597441
Thanks anon, seems like I'tll be "fine" as long as my mobo has Rebar(which it has)

>>103597222
>>103597222

House is paid off, I don't pay car payments or have any big bills so I have money to spend every 2 or 3 years on pc upgrades.last system was 12700k, gonna sell on feebay for 200 or let someone have it for cheap. But I'm not rich
either, only for a 4070ti super for example.

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I think I'm going to upgrade r5 2600 to 5600 and keep using my comfy PC instead of spending a lot of money on a new one.
Opinions?

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>>103597500
>>103597510
Hwinfo makes it seem like nothings wrong, gonna assume the percentages mean fuck all then

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>>103597612
I don't mean the sensors window, the regular window.

>>103597591
Should go with at least the 5700X, those four extra threads can come in handy.

>>103597591
Get a 5700x3d, it's the best upgrade you can get for AM4.

What is a good ultrawide monitor brand? I'm looking to get something around 34''.

>>103597662
>>103597673
I'm not sure my pcie3/b450 motherboard "deserves" more than 5600.

>>103597591
Whilst the jump in lowered system latency is very nice, I think you'd be better off to get a 5700x to get 2 more cores and keep using your pc very comfortably for many more years
but if you only gayme, according to this kikestralian there's barely any difference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTaaU12mElM

>>103597700
The 5700X is a 65w SKU, it should run just fine on it.

>>103597700
the best you can slot in is a 5800x3d but those arent made anymore so next best is 5700x3d.

>>103596766
that's just your monitor dude

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What is the expected price drop for the 40 series when 50 releases?

>>103596543
I have seen some warzone pros that use DLSS but most of the time such things aren't even included in settings breakdowns, nor have we ever heard this software touted by pros. Good enough for me.

>>103597222
I'm just frugal about anything outside of my hobbies and wants.

>>103597847
negative $200

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>>103597622
how do you have all that info?

Mine only shows me

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>>103597733
>that's just your monitor dude

>>103597847
last gen x3ds was supposed go down in price but they only went up.

>>103597952
I'm still mad

>>103597935
bro we can't se anything
good game btw

>>103597969
7800x3d competes for the same io die and substrate as the 9800x3d, and it also uses expensive 5nm wafers so it makes sense that they cut production of it
i doubt it will happen again with zen6 where it'd use its own packaging and be on a far more expensive node so they will have reason to keep the 9800x3d around for a while

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>>103597694
Not really about the brand, more about the model
You either go OLED
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=7,9&F=355600000,889000000&D=240000,540000&sort=price&r=344001440
or punt with an IPS like the M34WQ. There are no good VAs in that form factor from what I've seen

>>103597935
Looks like a problem with software Lumen, maybe in conjunction with upsampling. There's no hardware accel. Lumen in Stalker 2. What settings are you using?

>>103597847
>>103597952
Isn't this because the stock is gone and production of the newer and more expensive part has been prioritized?

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>>103597015
Made a few concise benchmarks, starting with >>103597127

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>>103597015

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>>103596031
Can I air cool a 7950x just fine? If not I'll get a 9950x since I'd be liquid cooling either way and might as well get marginally better performance.

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>>103597015
4/6

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>>103597015
5/6

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all gpus that break the 100fps require ptm 7950 or you're getting scammed by aibs

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>>103597015
6/6

>>103598064
no problem.
Liquid cooling is an absolute meme, a big air cooler can provide the same level of cooling without degrading over time
Thermalright Phantom spirit is amazing, my HDDs are louder then my i7 under load with it

ooo, my x870e just got a bios update with "Update AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2b, add new option of "Zen5 Gaming Optimizations""

i should prolly turn this on?

>>103597847
>expected price drop for the 40 series
ahahahahha good one dude

I dont really know where else to ask this but do you think a thinkpad x13 can run really basic games like terraria/rpgmaker/basic unity stuff?

MSI MAG B650 tomahawk wifi ~$220
or
Asrock B650 steel legend wifi ~$240
for a 7950x?
Will I regret not getting a board with a pcie5 slot?

>>103596320
remember X570 Gaming Edge fiasco? I'd be avoiding their boards for a while

God i can't wait to get rid of my blowie rx580 when my b580 comes in.

>>103598362
Or the ASUS TUF gaming B650 plus wifi ~$180?

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Thoughts on picrel? First time I ever wanted a case in white. You can't make it out in the pic, but it has the word gaming embroidered on it so I will not be getting it.

Might get the Antex Flux despite disliking the mesh pattern because a case with walnut accents would be in line with my room and I'm too contrarian for the Fractal North. Also the gold on the North is reminiscent of gaudy cheap tech accessories.

There's always something cosmetically wrong and garish with vidya adjacent products.

>>103598362
Steel legend, easily. It has a pcie gen5 slot for the GPU and one M2 ssd