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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases (e.g. 4K editing, high FPS gaming)
State budget and COUNTRY or you will not be helped

>NEWS
RTX 50 and RX 8000 announcements at CES in early Jan.
Arc B580 reviews live

>12VHPWR
DO NOT USE ANGLED 12VHPWR ADAPTERS
Fully seat a 12VHPWR connector in its socket, otherwise the connection can melt.

>Intel Raptor Lake / RPL Refresh
Instability reported with 13th and 14th gen, i5 K SKUs and above (incl non-K). Update BIOS and apply Intel Baseline settings. Avoid purchases.

>CPUS
HTPC(4K60)/Web Browsing: i3 12100
Gaming: R5 7600; budget: i5 12600K; eXtreme: R7 9800X3D
Multicore: R9 7950X; budget: i5 13500
>Avoid iGPU-less CPUs
>Existing AM4 board with an old chip? Consider a Zen 3 CPU

>GRAPHICS CARDS
1080p: RTX 3060 12 GB / RTX 4060; beta tester: Arc B580; ultra budget: used RTX 2060 Super
1440p: RTX 4070 Super; budget: RX 7700 XT
2160p: RTX 4080 Super (at MSRP); budget: RTX 4070 Ti Super
Amateur production: RTX 3060 12GB, RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, used RTX 3090, RTX 4090

>RAM
DDR4: Zen3/AM4 - 2x 16GB 3600 MT/s CL18; for locked "non-K" 12th/13th/LGA1700 - 2x 16GB 3200 MT/s CL16
DDR5: Zen4/AM5 - 2x 16GB 6000 MT/s CL30; for unlocked "K" 13th/14th/LGA1700 - 2x 16GB 6400MT/s CL32

>COOLERS
Standout: Phantom Spirit (or variant)
https://linustechtips.com/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

>PSUS
A new PSU should be ATX 3.X compliant
Aim for 50-75% PSU utilization at full system load
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>SSDS
Samsung 990 Evo 2TB
Avoid: outdated Samsung 970 Evo Plus, cheapest NVMe SSDs
https://ssd.borecraft.com/

>MOTHERBOARDS
Good power delivery is required for Intel CPUs like the i5 13600K and above
Don't pair a K CPU with a B mobo chipset

>GAMING MONITORS
AOC Q27G3XMN, MSI MPG 321URX, Dell G2724D
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/dP3v4D

Previous: >>103596031
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First for AMD is dead come Celestial and Druid.
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Where the fuck are G-Sync Pulsar monitors?!
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AAAAAAGHHH WHERE THE FUCK IS MY B580
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In terms of 12vhpwr adapters if I need an angled one to fit the card in the case is buying a full cable from the psu manufacturer with the angle built in an alright option or is that still risking problems?
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What is the true purpose of the incoming 5090, is 4k gaming finally viable
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more shots, just waiting on asus rog strix x670e-e and then memory.
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when will asrock update their goddamn bios? crazy how you can pay $500 for a board and it's 5% slower than the shittiest b650 from anyone else just because they can't update their shit
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I just got a new monitor, Acer IPS like my old ones, and the colors for it seem really off. The entire monitor visibly lacks vibrancy and brightness compared to my old one - windows explorer side by side has the white background looking almost greenish and the purple background on the Marvel Rivals main menu looks almost blue on the new one. I'm at the factory default brightness and contrast settings, the only thing I changed was the color mode from Warm to User (50 across all colors) because Warm looks like shit.

Should I give it a few weeks and hope the colors/brightness settle? I mean my old monitor I have at 65 brightness and it looks MUCH brighter than the new one at 80.
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>>103601372
what do those numbers mean?
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Best upgrade for 8700k/1080Ti?
Haven't been in the PC game for a long time
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>>103601394

a new computer lol
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>>103601391
top is product id
middle is factory and week/year
bottom is the serial number unique to each specimen
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>>103601409
year/week*
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Recs on a new build to replace my Ryzen 5 3600 + RTX 2070s system?
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Only thing that sucks is cost for fast 2tb and up nvme drives, everything else is affordable in the grand scheme of things. Not even 2TB is enough with some of these installs taking few hundred GB
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>>103601440
if you already have 32GB of ram you can consider upgrading the cpu to 5700x/5700x3d
if you have to buy new ram you should consider moving to AM5
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>>103601394
9800X3D + RTX 5080 or 5090
and a 4K 240Hz OLED

>>103601440
Update BIOS, remove 3600, drop in 5700X3D, in that order
RTX 5070
Generally I'd say you want at least a 2x performance improvement in a graphics card upgrade, and I would guess the performance of the 5070 will be near the 4070 Ti Super (or if not, the XX70 class will get a price drop below $600)
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Just in case I can't move my windows copy to my new pc, where can I get a replacement
I refuse to pay 200 bucks to microsoft
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>>103601450
I only have 16gb unfortunately. So I'm just thinking about making a completely new rig.
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>>103601485
you can weigh both options, see how your budget works out after choosing your new graphics card
video comparison between potential upgrades for your current motherboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3LeeEDWDPY
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>>103601485
I don't think 16 GB system RAM is a big deal. I had 32 GB (added another 2x 8 GB kit of the same RAM as my original kit), and it only caused problems. I'm back on 16 GB now, and there's nothing I can't do or even where the 32 GB would be better. It was just a 'why not' upgrade, not a practical one. Not saying you can't ditch AM4 but I don't think your RAM should be why you do it
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>>103601509
deviating from a standard 2 stick kit will most likely require manual tuning of the memory controller
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>>103601509
Adding 2x8GB to 2x8GB on AM4 is no rocket science. Even Joshua Ngoka could do it.
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>roll back drivers for MW3
>crash 10 seconds after launching, shaders won't compile
>52714 files failed to validate
>E drive magically disappears mid-validation and I can't access it from anywhere even though it's visible under 'This PC'
>restarting fixes the accessibility but the problem loops again
is my SSD just crapping out stealthily and causing these problems with CoD? It's madness
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>>103601533
>>103601564
It was DDR4 (although yes I'm aware that there are actual four stick kits)
I overvolted the SoC, and that worked for a while, but then the instability came back. Honestly I think this Zen3 chip is just garbage, came from newegg """""""new""""""" with a bent pin.

Doesn't change the fact that I don't need more than 16 GB sysRAM
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>>103601509
More than anything I think my Mobo Micro ATX B450M is holding me back since I only have one 500gb NVMe slot so I'm just thinking of making a new rig and giving this one to my brother
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>>103601583
You may have gotten different ICs (memory chips) with your new kit
I got lucky with mine, all 4 are identical except the production dates are a year apart and they work together well
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>>103601363
60+fps w/o FG
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>>103601338
> if I need an angled one to fit the card in the case
buy another case
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>>103601601
for building a new computer you're looking at a ryzen 7000 or 9000 cpu with a b650 (or better) motherboard
new graphics cards are very close to release so you may have to use integrated graphics until then (1-2 months)
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>>103601640
>implying anyone will be able to buy the new cards on release
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>>103601605
Same fag here.
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>>103601650
walk into your local store
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>>103601601
>Micro ATX B450M
Yeah better just make a new system instead of upgrading. Is it mainly gaming or are you using it for other things as well?
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>>103601657
they'll be out of stock in 5 seconds
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>>103601665
ok wait until restock. perhaps you could even reserve one?
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>>103601605
One is Samsung and the other is Hynix
But the timings and voltages are all the same (branding is also the same, though that matters yes)
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>>103601676
you underestimate how fast and aggressive the scalpers truly are
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>>103601372
just claimed RMA from AMD. thanks bro.
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The recent TP-Link news only affects routers, right? Completely irrelevant to their bluetooth dongles, correct?
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>>103601573
Bump
I'm gonna strip clean my PC today, I hope that fixes it and maybe it's something benign like a slightly bent capacitor on my motherboard that's touching something.
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>>103601715
Have fun anon
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The motherboard + cpu + ram combo I was looking at went out of stock

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730598&cm_sp=product-combooption
I was wanting another one in the 300-400 price range if anyone has one. I live in burgerland
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>>103601363
>4k gaming finally viable
>more pixels = better
Anon i...
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>>103601657
>>103601665
>>103601676
Local stores won't receive any 5090 FE on launch day. The cards will be offered in Nvidia's online shop and few select other online shops only, all of them will be required to install measures against the bots of scalpers like captchas and waiting queues, just as they did with 4090 FE on launch day. AIB will only follow later.
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>>103601856
yes more pixels is better
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>>103601839
Honestly that combo is nothing special. You're only saving 20-30 bucks over buying separates with a comparable board. For example https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7RVkRK at $330.
Also, with $400 for the board+CPU you could easily go AM5 and get the benefits of platform longevity and DDR5. Buying a new 5700X3D system in 2024 only really makes sense if you're doing the Aliexpress thing. That, or you play a load of games that get huge gains from 3D cache.
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>>103601676
Well then it won't be on release, it will be like 2 months later.
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>>103601482
>>/Fwt/
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>>103601946
You answering to a guy who completed Skyrim and all DLCs and all quest on a resolution 800x600 on a gt 210 card.
I also completed first Dark Souls on a gt 210.
And who is cool here?
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Recommend me some chairs that will last more than a year. I've been buying cheap Chinese shit that falls apart after a few months.
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>>103602194
Ikea Markus chair.
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>>103602193
Why did you do it
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Ordered 9800X3D from Amazon. When do you think it will actually ship?
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>>103601948
It comes with 32GB of DDR4 RAM though, that's why it's special
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>>103601288
didn't they get cancelled? kek

>>103601363
4090 could push 8k and 12k almost 16k but crashing at playable frames in fps gaymes
so it depends
don't tell me you are buying low ppi panels on the premise of mah native meme in 2025 are you? native is dead bra, give it up
there's more reasons to buy 4k other than just gaymen

>>103601372
>wifi 6e
it's over

>>103601390
>The entire monitor visibly lacks vibrancy and brightness
what's the color gamut on it? and what's the specced brightness?
if both are bad
it's over
plus bad calibration
idk
I told you to buy qdoled bro, why didn't you listen

>>103601481
>9800X3D + RTX 5080 or 5090
>and a 4K 240Hz OLED
this but minus the 5080

>>103601681
>scalping post covid post mining
look at how that worked out the ps5 pro cucks
scalping is over bra

>>103602193
I even ran my crt at max res back in the day with lower hz just because how shit low res was, crazy

>>103602194
a good chair in my country runs like 2k
those they use in operator centrals for 247 use
also thats what about a herman miller costs too
2k or just use a kitchen chair that will last forever
no inbetweens
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>>103602224
After Christmas.
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>>103601948
So should I aim for one of the AM5 combos like this one? https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4729840
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>>103602231
>>wifi 6e

It's not soldered on the asus rog strix x670e, you can swap it out for wifi7 like installing nvme drive.
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>>103601235
i dont know what graphics card to get. guess i'll just wait for 5060/70 reveal, not like i do anything besides browse 4chan these days
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>>103602369
you already have that performance level right now if you gonna buy, the only thing missing would be dp2.1 ports
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>>103602424
i guess you are right. Still can't decide if i should just pay a little extra for nvidia (safer option) or go with amd
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>>103601583
>>103601677
set drive strengths to 40/20/30/24 or 20/40/40/20
set ProcOdt to 40 ohm
set cLDO_VDDP to 1.0 V
put the samsung kit in A1/A2 and hynix kit in B1/B2
>Honestly I think this Zen3 chip is just garbage
yeah that's always a possibility as well lmao
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you guys think amd will do binned 7700/9700x3d's? or de we have to wait until am5 eol?
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looks like my mobo died and i can take the chance tp upgrade, what mobo+cpu+ram can i get for 650?
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what is a cheap motherboard for an i7 14700?
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>>103602629
You should be waiting for Bartlett lake anon
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Is this overkill for simple 1080p 60fps gaming? I haven't built a PC in over 14 years.
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Give me the rundown on SSD lifespan. If I'm going to use a 4TB SSD as long term storage (looking at Crucial P3 and WD SN5000 atm) with no heavy reading or writing duties, can I expect it to last a long time without randomly dying or is a HDD still better in that regard?
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>>103602229
Ah I missed that sorry. Actually was a good deal then. Oh well - nothing to be done now.

>>103602265
It's okay. Weird that they put 6400MT/s RAM in an AMD bundle but not the end of the world (you can downclock).
I suppose my main issue is that it's not really any better (for gaming) than a 7600/X build. The meta for AM5 value is buying the $200 6-core and upgrading to the EoL X3D in a few years. Paying extra for a 7700/X is pointless if you're just gaming.
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>>103602640
my mobo likely is dead and I need a new one
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What is the best 4k screen I could buy
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>>103602646
nah ur good goy. I wouldn't worry about it. keep consuming.
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Historically, how long after the big unveil of the new GPU generation do the Nvidia GPUs hit shelves?
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>>103602483
>you guys think amd will do binned 7700/9700x3d's? or de we have to wait until am5 eol?
I was going to say they'd wait for AM5 EOL because of how bad ARL-S is, but between pressure from Bartlett Lake if/when Intel launches it and the fact that non-X3D chips are selling like shit and it's only really the 9800X3D which can't be kept in stock. If if they release cheaper non-X Zen 5 chips at CES at best they'll match price/perf parity with the 7000 series and likely cost more meaning they'll sell poorly too (especially if they don't include a box cooler like the older chips do) so they may release lower-tier X3D ships sooner than they would have otherwise wanted. If only because they've pledged to ramp production on the 9800X3D to replenish stocks for Q1 meaning they've likely already been accumulating excess cast-off bins that ready to sold as 9700X3Ds or lower chips and they don't really want to pay inventory storage to just sit on them.
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hey frens

about a mont ago I got new monitor - a 27 inch ips mini-led
was liking it so far (nver thought 1440p could be such a considerable upgrade over 1080p), last thursday tragedy struck and the monitor seemingly "died"
just like that, from one moment to the other
I wasn't even gaming or watching videos, it was like 7pm, I was studying since 2pm as I have for the last week (using the "low blue light" mode to not get my eyesight tired so quickly) and then the screen just went pitch black (I can still make out only the super white windows if I squint really hard...)
nothing I tired "brought it back" - no amount of clicking on it's analogue buttons, the power cord seemed fine too, I even tried switching plugs and output (was using DisplayPort with the desktop, tried HDMI and then I even tried connecting my laptop)
also everytime I press the "power on" button, I hear for like 20 seconds his eletric buzzing sound coming from inside the monitor...
perhaps something fried in there?
I think it's important to note these last 2 weeks my desktop has been "dying" (blue screens, shutdowns after being stuck on some tab for too long, can't acesss the OS disk when I boot it up - so alot of times I have to shut it down throught the power button or even the socket)
but the wierdest thing is that yesterday the monitor worked! for about 2 hours... then it died... again...
and it's working now has as well, but I fear it will just be a repeat of yesterday...
I am thinking of "sending" it to the warranty on boxing day (hope it also magically work just long enough for them to think there's nothing wrong with it...), but even if I should get a new one or this one repaired, I would like to know what I could do to prevent it

so anyone here ever such a bizarre issue as this?
thx for reading my blog post in advance
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Did I fuck up by going with the phantom spirit 120 instead of the se or evo?
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chances of AMD having competition for rtx 5080?
nvidia aka black screen flicker have been infested with driver issues lately, really wish AMD has some worthwhile to show.
i'm already putting money in savings dedicated just to a gpu that used to be 500€ but is going to be near 2000€ now, what a time to be alive...
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>Steam Store-chan has a normie RGB PC
So fucking over, still bought all the related store point cosmetics.
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>>103602880
Likely 3-4 weeks for whichever model they launch first, will be 5080 or 5090
5070/ti I wouldn't expect before March.
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>>103602946
not if it was cheaper
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>>103602901
>What is the best 4k screen I could buy
Any of the 32" 4K QD-OLEDs (take your pick based on price and any ancillary feature you want):
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=9&r=384002160&sort=price&page=1
That said, I'd wait for CES for the announcements of the 27" 4K panels which will provide a 16% improvement in pixel density (163 vs. 140 PPI) and therefore image clarity.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/6/24314760/asus-27-inch-4k-oled-monitor-teaser-rumor-ces-2025
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Am I dumb for considering AM4 for a new build? I'm on budget.
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>>103602950
I think I've seen that shroud on a real motherboard
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>>103601235
What power limits should I set for my 14700K
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>>103602984
Meant to reply to >>103602778


>>103602901
Sounds like either a bad power supply or controller board. If you still have an open return window at the e-tailer you purchased it from through the holiday season I'd RMA it there first as that's typically a more painless process than going through a warranty claim with the manufacturer, but if you need to warranty it that's still worth doing.
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Fucking amazing, never buying Samsung SSDs again
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>>103602984
thanks lad
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>>103603048
It's dead jim

Happens every couple weeks, restart *usually* fixes it but not always.
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>>103603048
What SSD? And we warned you to avoid samshit
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is there an air cooler good enough for a 14700k?
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>>103603097
Samsung 980 1TB bought years ago.
I have an SN850X 2TB as a data/work drive with this 980 as a boot one in a gen3 slot. Do I replace this thing with an SN770 or something ..
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>>103603119
Sn770 has a known firmware issue and needs to be updated with their update tool in windows
I'd recommend looking for other drives. Nm790 is good if you don't mind dramless
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>>103603048
i assume this is some ASPM shit where the drive goes to sleep and never wakes up
nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0
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>>103603111
>is there an air cooler good enough for a 14700k?
Until the Thermalright Royal Preytor Ultra launches, the NH-D15 G2 is the best. However, you can get by 90% of the time with a Phantom Spirit or Phantom Spirit EVO + Contact Frame + any undervolting your chip's silicon lottery will allow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYU1OskbY-Q
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>>103603135
I'll try that, thanks.
This drive used to work just fine for years though, but who knows, maybe there's some regression somewhere again. My other nvme doesn't have issues either though ....

>>103603134
>Sn770 has a known firmware issue
fucking hell
> if you don't mind dramless
Yeah I don't really care about performance on my root drive, it's capped to a gen3 slot anyway.
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>just found out Samsung have a 57" ultrawide
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>>103603029
Depends on your needs and the power characteristics of your 14700K.
My undervolted 14700K with a 125W long duration power limit can exceed a stock 7900X's multicore performance, about 212 points per watt (less than 140W 10min average due to 56s 253W PL2 turbo).
The higher multithreaded score in the pic is the undervolted chip running at stock power & boost settings (253W PL1 & PL2).
Air-cooled btw (NH-D15).
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>>103603465
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Is it easier to undervolt using ryzen master or the bios?
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Is liquid cooling more annoying than anything else
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>>103603488
seems like a meme if we don't have the bandwidth to run it without DSC yet
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>>103603557
its annoying to install but quite good otherwise if you need to swap out your ram or add an m2 drive since it doesnt obstruct the area around the cpu
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Finding out the 4090 only has the bandwidth for 2 4K 240Hz displays has me looking at it funny
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>>103602231
>what's the color gamut on it? and what's the specced brightness?
I dunno what either of those mean
>plus bad calibration
I didn't calibrate it because I have no idea how to do that
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anyone ever do chargeback dispute with newegg, how's the process
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>>103603568
is there heavy maintenance and shit that goes with it though
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>>103603607
no
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>>103603600
Never done it, but that should be the last resort (nuclear) option.
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>>103603600
Once, I had to argue back and forth with a newegg rep and someone from bank (both were going "nu uh the other guy needs to do something") but eventually I got a full refund.
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>>103602901
>and it's working now has as well, but I fear it will just be a repeat of yesterday...
yup
it stopped working again...

>>103603044
>Sounds like either a bad power supply or controller board.
thanks man
So am I correct to assume the constant current spikes (because of my old desktop) are the reason it fried, or was it just the plain bad luck in getting weaker manufacturing item?
Perhaps more importantly, any measures to prevent this in the future? Maybe an UPS?
>If you still have an open return window at the e-tailer you purchased it from through the holiday season
I bought it at a local retail shop
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>>103603626
Some faggot stole my package so I guess that's the only option I have.
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>>103602474
Thanks, might try again just for kicks. I've actually stopped engaging XMP at all, as I think doing so makes the system unstable (even with extra voltage on SoC)
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>>103603669
miniLED is still basically experimental technology it's why they charge a fortune for it and sill shill OLED over it so heavily. Whatever unit you get is just a lottery but your dying PC wouldn't have helped things.

I've had monitors "die" over time and it's always the power board, usually the capacitors on them. It's a very easy fix if that is the issue. These were quite old monitors though not brand new ones.
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>lossless scaling has AI upscaling
How come I see no one talking about this?
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>>103602880
I think we'll see 5080 and 5090 by the end of January. 5070 in Feb
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For someone who hasn't used an M&K to play games, what are some tips you would share?
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>>103601235
So it's either RTX 5080 and upgrade my CPU / Mobo / RAM or RTX 5090 and stick with my 12700K & 64GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM.

Currently thinking of getting the RTX 5090 but don't know if the 12700K will be a bottleneck.
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>>103603698
file a report with the police and shipping company as well first
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>>103603738
click on the head
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>>103603669
>If you still have an open return window at the e-tailer you purchased it from through the holiday season
>I bought it at a local retail shop
Different place but same story, I'd advise you to check their return policy or call them and explain the situation as it's almost always easier and faster to do a return/swap vs. warranty claim if you are able.
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>>103601390
>I'm at the factory default brightness and contrast
check if the monitor has any icc profiles on rtings or somewhere else on the internet
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>>103603739
Some games bottleneck the CPU.
I'd get the 5090 if you're 4K gaming though.
Your CPU & memory will need a complete upgrade if you go that path because the 3200MT/s memory will bottleneck a 14700K in gaming.
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>>103603804
NTA, I applied the ICC profile provided by the monitor manufacturer.
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what kinda cinebench scores you guys getting on 9800x3d? r23 and 24 answers welcome. for me

r23 - 22904
r24 - 1284
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I got a pic related and a ryzen 7 5700X3D to go along with it, but i heard that the board might need a bios update to make it work
In case it doesn't, should i update it to the latest version anyway or do i run the risk of bricking it?
If somehow it ends up bricked, is there anything i can do to fix it or should i buy a new mobo?
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>>103603719
>miniLED is still basically experimental technology it's why they charge a fortune for it and sill shill OLED over it so heavily.
really?
I got a miniLED because it is considerably cheaper than a decent 1440p OLED and the understanding I had was that unlike the latter the former wouldn't just burn up and die after 6 months...
Especially considering it's an IPS panel, my former 1080p LED monitor was IPS and it lasted me 7 years (still in working condition, bought the new one because I wanted to try out 1440p and I will get a new desktop next month)

>Whatever unit you get is just a lottery
Any chances of getting one that can last like the last one?

>I've had monitors "die" over time and it's always the power board, usually the capacitors on them.
So is an UPS a good choice to protect them?


>>103603798
Thanks, I will
Hope they give me something more resilient this time around...
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What do you feel when you sell used hardware?
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Assembling new build. My Motherboard has a heatsink that covers 3 of the 4 M2 slots. If I'm currently not using any of these slots, should I still remove the tape covering the thermal pads? Or should I just leave it on for now.
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>>103603847
How do you apply an ICC profile?
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>>103603909
just leave it or it will get dusty
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>>103603913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65VVCXBmnbs
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>>103603913
search for color management
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>>103603903
I don't like dealing with people so I usually just give it away
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>>103603887
back in the very early computer days, bios updates were more risky because things were worse. thats where that comes from. now adays, bricking from updating is basically unheard of. im 38, been using computers since i was 9, and ive never actually had a bios update brick a mobo, and i ALWAYS update. but, if it does brick, yes, its more pain to fix than buy a new one
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>>103603903
happy because I got cash and have more space now
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>>103603834
Yeah I game at 4K.

So a 12700K with 3200MHz DDR4 will bottleneck a 5090? I don't have a 14700K.
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>>103602629
>what is a cheap motherboard for an i7 14700?
If you have a 14700K/F and DDR5 memory modules, I suggest buying a Z790 board for the improved memory traces.
ASRock Z790 Lightning WiFi would be my budget choice, 8-layer board and it should be able to run 6800MT/s.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WDMMnQ/asrock-z790-lightning-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-lightning-wifi
https://pg.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z790%20Lightning%20WiFi/index.asp#Specification

If you want a better DDR5 LGA1700 board, you need to get a Strix ITX or Maximus Apex Encore.
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>>103603707
>as I think doing so makes the system unstable
don't assume, test

https://www.ocbase.com
RAM test for memory stability
CPU+RAM test for infinity fabric stability
https://github.com/CoolCmd/TestMem5
1usmus profile for short tests
ABSOLUT profile for exhaustive tests

yeah i know it takes a while, but you only have to do it once and then you can be assured your system is stable
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>>103603991
That bottlenecks a 4090
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>>103602646
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nRfTnp
If your current monitor doesn't have VRR / adaptive sync, you'll want a new one, and it's not worth buying below 1440p
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>>103603991
ddr4 is a massive bottleneck in itself so don't bother upgrading the cpu
5090 should be alright at 4k with your setup especially if you make use of pathtracing
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>>103603903
I dont sell it, i keep it in storage as a backup in case my new one ever fails
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>>103603903
Relief that someone wanted my junk
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>>103603903
I'm too lazy to do it, I cbf dealing with boxes and shit and the cost of sending heavy packages almost makes it not worth doing for anything I've kept long enough that I would sell it & ain't doing in person deals. I'll be throwing out a trio of 980TI cards next month once I no longer need them for "backup" as their value has dropped to almost nothing, threw out a microserver after replacing it with a proper NAS box, threw out a 9990k/stick of ram because I knew I'd have no space along with a bunch of shit like fans, old CPU coolers, ram and a spare case. I had built a PC out of it for a relative but they ended up not having room and not using it anyway so they bought it back. I did let a family member sell a old but good monitor I had, they probably made a couple hundred from it.
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>>103602656
SSD lifespan is great, they're an upgrade in every way over HDDs. /g/ spreads FUD about SSDs purely because it hates everything new, just ignore it.
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>>103602656
>Crucial P3
Get a better SSD
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whats the best mobo brand? is it still Asus?
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>>103604164
There is no best brand, pay attention to the individual lines and SKUs instead.
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>>103602656
The SN5000 4tb has a 1200 TBW rating. That's 1,200,000 GB. If you installed the entire 310gb Black Ops 6 + other COD games + languages pack, every day, it will still take 10 years to hit that rating.
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>>103604116
Lol 9900k's easily sell for 200-300
You messed up there
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>>103604083
what do you do with the old backup, then.
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>>103603029
My 14900k has a 250w short duration and a 225w long. Undervolted by 0.055 volts, reaches a max of 1.35v with P cores limited to 5.5ghz and 4.1e. Has no significant performance impacts either.
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>>103604164
The good ASUS boards come with a big premium, you're mostly paying a cosmetic premium for the other ASUS boards.
ASRock usually sells value-oriented boards with respectable features.
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>>103604116
and this is why the poor stay poor.
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Are there any oled monitors that are coming out in the future I should look out for, because I'm looking to buy my first oled? Also, should I get WOLED or QL-LED?
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>>103604286
You could wait until '26 when monitor manufacturers begin to sell OLED monitors with LG's true RGB subpixel layout.
If you don't want to wait that long, you might as well get something nice asap.
MSI MPG-322URX-QD-OLED is the only one I'd consider paying full price atm because it has native DP 2.1.
https://www.msi.com/Monitor/MPG-322URX-QD-OLED
If that doesn't matter, buy one at a discount.
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>>103604347
How is the HDR on it?
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what is a fair price to offer my friend for his sapphire 16gb 6800xt? i dont want to lowball him but i also do want to overpay
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>>103604368
*dont want
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>>103604362
It's never going to be as bright as OLED TVs, Peak 1000-nits mode will activate automatic brightness limiter.
I bought the 271QRX for the superior black levels & contrast. I run it at HDR True Black 400, it's bright enough for me but I'm just one out of thousands of owners.
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>>103604381
Alright thanks for the help.
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hey friends i am on quite an old decaying build at the present moment. i'm searching for a graphics card upgrade, suggestions for something cheap and used off ebay or a similar site would be ideal. i should probably up the ram from 8->16 too, advice on that would be cool
thanks for reading!
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>>103604414
The 470 is probably already bottlenecked by the sandy bridge i5
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>>103604368
Find the lowest retail price and drop it by 50%
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>>103604414
based speccyboomer
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>>103604414
get a used gtx1080 or rtx2060 super
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>>103604434
yeah? i know i need to get around to replacing the entire thing someday. well while im here, i'll take CPU suggestions too if anybody has any. just trying to make this little thing last longer/run better.
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Why is everyone so obsessed with making you upgrade to 1440p
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>>103604414
RX580
1660TI
RTX 2060
whatever you get don't spend more than $100 it's not worth it
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>>103604461
stop nooticing
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>>103604286
Apart from what >>103604347 said there will be 27" 4K QD-OLEDs announced at CES and available shortly thereafter if 2026 for true RGB OLEDis too far off for you. The increase in pixel density over current 32" 4K models should improve perceived sharpness/clarity. See >>103602984
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>>103604461
People want bigger screens and more than 100fps
Everyone should be on 4K by now but 60fps is "unplayable"
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>>103604502
4K is the endgame sure, but it’s too early still, and some of you want TVs. Not everyone is sitting 5 feet away.
>>103604471
Shalom
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>>103604414
1080ti, 2060, 2070, 3060 or 5700xt, depending on what you can find and if your PSU can handle it.
Samsung M378B1G73AHO is on the QVL list & I found it on amazon for $28.60 per stick.
A-Tech make an equivalent to PGD316G1333ELK for $14 a stick you could go all the way to 32gb according to the QVL (assuming it truly is equivalent and works in the board)
https://atechmemory.com/products/pgd316g1333elk-patriot-1x-8gb-ddr3-1333-dimm-pc3-10600-dual-rank-x8-module-equivalent
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>>103604461
It's not a bad idea if you're open to using DLSS or XeSS in more demanding games, FSR needs to catch up a bit.
The internal resolution of DLSS quality @ 1440p is less than 1080p (950ish).
The monitor market is very competitive and you can pick up a nice 1440p gaming monitor at a reasonable price, especially during discount periods.
A G2427D @ $150 or an M27QA is pretty much all most PC gamers need until they decide to build a 4K/OLED gaming PC.

The video card market is still pretty shitty, but things should get better next-gen.
At least from Radeon, they can't make anything more mediocre than the RX 7600 or people won't take them seriously.
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>>103604488
>available shortly thereafter
Doubt. They announce all sorts at CES and then never launch them.

WHERE IS THE PULSAR MONITOR ANNOUNCED CES JAN 2024 ASUS
DECEMBER NOW WHERE IS IT
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>>103604461
1440p would be a downgrade for me. No thanks, I'm happy with 4k.
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>>103604547
I can't find the link right now, but I've read they've were previewing 27" 4K OLED panels behind closed doors to vendors at CES 2024 while the 1440p models were announced publically. Samsung & LG need higher PPI for the eventual 8K TVs. There's already pre-announced/leaked SKU names which you don't see in vaporware.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/oled-news-and-rumours-round-up-for-2025
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>>103604211
> just 10 years
that's worrying :(
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>>103604589
Great thing about about 4K is it's perfect integer scaling with 1080p content.
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>>103604164
ASRock! Not the best overclockers but the best value for your bucks. Join our Republic of Rockers!
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>>103604626
Integer scaling is a meme unless you're an aliasing connoisseur
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>>103604620
bruv are you installing the biggest set of games in the history of gaming every single day?
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>>103603488
Okay, thanks, now I know a display that would in fact be too big for my desk to make any sense. 4k 32" is near perfect. WUHD 40" would fit but probably requires a 6090 for high enough refresh rates.
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Crucial P3 any good? Looking at a 2TB deal for £91
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Excuse me venerable anons I need advice before I pull the trigger on this build

>CPU AMD Ryzen 9 7900 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor
>Cooler ENDORFY Navis F240 Liquid CPU Cooler
>Motherboard ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard
>RAM Kingston FURY Beast RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 CL40 Memory
>GPU ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card
>PSU Cooler Master MWE Gold 850 - V2 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
>Case Genesis Irid 503 ATX Mini Tower Case
Wattage is 490W

Anything to change in here?
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>>103603022
Oh, dats cute. The Russia -Belarus frenship warms my heart.
Well, comrade, if you can't afford into AM5 you have no other choice, right?
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>>103604755
What's it for?
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>>103604755
What's the price?
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>>103604488
4k is sharp enough on a 32". A larger display contributes much more to gaming experience than even more pixel density on a small 27".
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>>103604502
> 60fps is "unplayable"
We were lucky in the 90s when we got 40fps on our CRTs.
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>>103604776
>>103604780
Mainly gaming and 3d, budget is around 1700$
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>>103604755
I assume you get the CPU for free or just one symbolic buck.
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is it necessary to update bios if my current board is already on a version (0307) that support the cpu i am swapping to?
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>>103604794
>3d
3D what? Modelling with Blender?
If so, there is no other choice than Nvidia
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>>103604755
> micro mini pico nano
WTF!
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>>103604760
To me it just seems like there's very little reason to get AM5 now. Not so many CPU intensive tasks right now and GPUs should works just as well on either board right?
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>>103604806
Zbrush, Blender

>>103604802
How so?
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>>103604805
Not necessary but possibly beneficial. It depends on what the new BIOS changes. Could be improving performance or stability.
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>>103604805
No.
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why is genuine ptm7950 so hard to find
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>>103604824
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>>103604840
Thanks for pointing this out, I didnt realize there was a significant difference

Looks like I'll be replacing the GPU in that build then
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>>103604824
Why would anybody get a 12-core? If you really need multicore power you will rather want a 9950X and if you don't need it you will rather want the fastest 8-core you can find.
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>>103604888
A discounted 7900/X is a decent entry for multithreaded workloads.
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>>103604755
Update:

>CPU AMD Ryzen 9 7900 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor
>Cooler ENDORFY Navis F240 Liquid CPU Cooler
>Motherboard ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard
>RAM Kingston FURY Beast RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 CL40 Memory
>GPU Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Windforce 12GB GDDR6X
>PSU Cooler Master MWE Gold V2 750W
>Case Genesis Irid 503 ATX Mini Tower Case
455W with drives in
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>>103604949
spend the little extra for 6000cl30 ram. ryzen needs fast ram to work well
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Bump
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>>103604912
But a 9950X is only a few hundreds more and saves more time than that money could buy. Unless it's just a hobby oc.
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>>103604116
At least give that shit away to a thrift store or something stupid nigga
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does this look ok for 1400?
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Looking for a used card to upgrade my father's old though reliable AMD RX 480. Primary usage that's demanding will be occasional gaming; he plays casual games and older titles like WoW, but I wanted him to be able to play the new Indiana Jones game if it was of interest to him, and perhaps that Star Wars flight sim from a couple years back; the new Indy is obviously the most demanding.

I was seeing some mid range cards sell in the $200-400s so I was thinking of the following, provided I could find good prices for a used one
>AMD 7700XT, 7800XT
These seem like the ideal if one can be found for a good price
>7600XT, 7600
Not sure if these are worthwhile especially the plan 7600 but maybe the price/perf is worth it?
>6600XT, 6700XT , 6750XT, 6800XT etc..
If the price is right it seems these could be worth it?

>NV 4060 or 4070 line, including S or Ti
There seems to be varying levels of VRAM for the 4060 some are 8GB some are 12GB? Not sure if any of these NV cards are worth it or not but keeping an eye open if there's a good deal; NV prices seem to stay higher but there are also more of them so who knows.

Aside from plebbit and a couple of old school forums that have FS/FT sections, not sure where else is really worth looking for reliable sales that don't have shitfuck pricing.
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>>103605002
seems alright
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Recommend me a no thrills 2TB Gen 3/4 SSD. Will only be used for games.
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>>103605033
sn850x
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>>103603880
R23 was 24248 last I tried with Fmax+200, CO -30, 1x Scalar, 8000MT/s 2:1 CL38.
Stock I think was 22400 or something like that.
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>>103605015
Chart source and more midrange benches here: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-arc-b580-steel-legend/32.html
Use this site to track used GPU prices (you can set the price filter to your budget range to remove potato cards): https://bestvaluegpu.com/
Right now I'd suggest either a used 6800/6800 XT or a RTX 3080. We're also weeks away from CES and AMD launching mainstream RX 8000 cards too (technically Nvidia too but their lineup is guaranteed to be awful pricing outside of your consideration). Watch this discussion at video 1.5X or 2X of news/leaks to see where most people it'll stack up (particularly the Should you buy now or wait section):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTtlLtZmcpU
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>>103602646
Definitely overkill. You don't need a dedicated GPU for 1080p/60hz. Just get a Ryzen 7 8700G.
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I'm poor as fuck (in my 30s, make min wage, not much chance for upwards mobility). Can I put a PC with a 4070 or something together for less than 1500 euros? I have a 1070ti now and it really needs to go. If I buy this it'll be what I'm stuck with for at least 8-10 years and it's a huge investment for me so I overplan quite a lot.
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>>103605304
Invest it in Bitcoin instead
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How stupid is it to buy a PSU for an upgrade in 4 years? 10-year warranty on it at least. Just interested since I did bought a white PC case for cheap before shipping/tariffs get wildly expensive, I remember a lot of overseas-brand for heavier PC cases being hit much hard due increased shipping cost a couple years ago. I also see a white PSU that is relatively cheap for being top-tier on the PSU autist list, plus no additional cost for being white compared to black top-tier alternatives

Reasoning is I have a 600-w PSU right now so I know I will need a stronger PSU if I want to go into high-refresk 4K gaming later on, just not in a rush to upgrade since a 6750XT is good enough for my display, no rush to head into OLED territory yet until there are 4K 27" options at least (since 32" is the point where it's not feasible to do 2 monitors anymore in my current setup)
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>>103605323
oops forgot my pic of the PSU i'm interested in, available in nearby store for me

Cheaper than black 1000w equivalent from other brands
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>>103605323
>How stupid is it to buy a PSU for an upgrade in 4 years?
Buy it when you need it in 4 years.

A dollar today is worth more than a dollar in four years. Read up on the time value of money.
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>>103605304
Check out new intel arc, it’s cheap and obviously going to be an upgrade for a 1070 owner. If not, might be worth getting a midrange amd card instead
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>>103605368
my portfolio just went down $15K in the past week
i want to work on slowly building a PC and playing gaems to take my mind off from that
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>>103604755
>Endorfy Navis
>Genesis Irid
what in the chinkshit is this build?
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>>103605323
Get one really good PSU every 2nd build you make.
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Found a marketplace listing for a 3090 at $750 should I get it? I have a 4060 Ti 8GB and I've realized it sucks. The 4070 Ti Super goes for about $800. Don't know what I would do with the video card I have now and not sure if I would need a higher wattage PSU
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>>103605739
You should get your feet wet on AMD so you can decide for the next decade if you still want to pay for Nvidia tax.
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>>103605739
nuvidea has the gay 12vhpwr cable which has its own issues. go to the 3090
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>>103605702
yeah I'm interested in the Seasonic GX-1000, apparently top tier and only CAD$190 (US$140) for 1000w PSU so i'm good if I ever want to upgrade early into a 5080/5090 next year, it's tempting depending on how $$$ flows next year since I'd also need to upgrade my monitor of course
Also OK just waiting for a decent GPU to go on sale, just skipped on a white XFX merc 7900XT that went on sale for CAD$750, couldn't justify it coming from a 6750XT, I need a more substantial upgrade
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>>103605776
Is that an ATX 3.0/3.1 version? It's a good PSU but if there's no 12 pin cable you'll need to buy one later.
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>>103605752
What tax is that?
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>>103604833
Wasn't Linux selling it in his online store?
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>>103605798
apparently reviews says it comes with a 12VHPWR cable even though it's not ATX 3.0, not really sure what that means (I guess an adapter?)

I'll prob hold off for now until I have plans to actually get a GPU I guess, no idea what I'll get yet since I'm basically just waiting for a decent white GPU for 4K gaming to go on sale while I use my 6750XT with my cheap monitor
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>>103604833
i got some from the JOYJOM seller on amazon, apparently it's legit according to google, don't really have comparison with thermal paste tho since i put it on right away
temps are good but it's just a 7700x anyways, i used it more so i dont have to worry about repasting until it's time for upgrade, the cooler will stay in there until AM6
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>Arctic Liquid Freezer III won't fit unless I bend the CPU cables to way feels to be an uncomfortable level
How strong are these cables? They're "straight" in the mobo port but they basically have to form a C to give the radiator clearance.
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>>103605923
Like a smooth C? whats the problem why are you worried, should I be worried about my CPU cables?????
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>>103605923
AIO is a meme. You're not cooling a 350W Intel, are you? There's no reason to use AIO when air coolers do the job perfectly fine.
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>>103605923
>AIO
You get what you deserve
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>>103605969
>>103605979
>hating on AIO
It's like $15 more than a phantom spirit air cooler
If you have the space for it at the top, why not? You can run the fans quiet if it's not a demanding CPU, much better than spending MORE just for a silent noctua fan alone

Also no slight CPU cooler sag to worry about
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>>103606022
>For only $15 dollars more you get an unserviceable POS that will fail within 5 years
Stop trying to take meme shortcuts . Either get a hardcore full liquid system or a reliable , simple and well designed air setup
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>>103606047
Aio is way better than air and requires no maintenance unlike custom loops
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>>103606047
It has a 3-year warranty and it's half (or cheaper) the price of other brands
I would never pay $100+ for an AIO or liquid cooling but I'll probably consider a $50 AIO for my next build just because it's so cheap
Fans will eventually fail on a double tower cooler too and if you're into noctua and other overpriced fans meme then that's basically a $50 replacement for 2 fans

If i'm stupid enough to get a 9950X3D next year I am heavily considering it for a new build
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>>103604654
B650M HDV/M2 is an insane overclocker
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hey /g/, it's been about 10 years since I built my pc so I'm out of touch with what's good or not.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZDpcb2
anyone got any advice for my build so far? got a budget of around 2-3k and I'm looking to future proof it so I can put off replacing it again until a decade later.
The gpu is empty cause I'm not sure if I should wait till next for a 5080 or just get something this christmas sale
the cpu fan and psu on the list are one's still in my old pc; they should still be usable. That and an hdd and ssd.
The monitor on there is one that I have currently and I'm open to suggestions.
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Holy shit, I undervolted my 1070 today after 6-7 years of owning it. Lost a little bit of clockspeed (~1810mhz vs ~1886-1911mhz before) but my power and temps have gone down like crazy.
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>>103606181
welcome to the club. undervolting brought my 3080 from 370W stock down to 230W under the heaviest non-RT load
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>>103605885
I looked at the manual and it seems to come with a proper 12 pin that connects into the PSU, not an adapater.
Not being ATX doesn't matter too much, it is a new standard but there's still nothing stopping a PSU having the 12 pin if they think the PSU can still support a 600w cable (or limit it to 450w)
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If there is a gap consistent gap (2-4ms) between gpu busy and frametimes, is that fine? 4090 + 7800x3d
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What's the minimum motherboard for 9600x CPU? Which exact model would you recommend?
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>>103606284
B650M-HDV/M2
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>>103605923
>>103605969
>>103605979
Well I bit the bullet and uninstalled the third fan. Everything booted fine and I'm creating a Windows USB stick right now, but only being able to use 2 out of 3 fans is really irking me. Easiest thing to do would probably be buy a slim fan and hope it gives enough clearance, but then it will be different from the other two. I really don't want to fuck around with the CPU cables because I feel like that's just asking for something bad to happen. Probably need to get some sort of extension / 90 degree converter so I can run the cables through the back and not have to worry about the AIO bending the shit out of them and potentially the PCB as well.
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>>103606464
No
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>>103606123
Don't buy samsung drives
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>>103606545
what case are you using?
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>>103606545
Try some low profile tower coolers like Thermalright Silver Soul, there's no way you can't fit it in your case while installing a GPU the normal way.
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>>103606205
Msi afterburner was showing 140w before but now its around 90w with spikes upto 105-110w. Max temp is 70c and I could probably bring that down with new thermal paste and by moving my pc from my floor under the desk to a place with more airflow. Overall though really happy with the undervolt.
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>MSI GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Gaming X Slim 12GB
>Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Windforce 12GB
What do I pick here
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>>103606693
>12GB
>12GB
>12GB
None of the above. 12GB is not acceptable for cards above $300.
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>>103601286
I will when I can play games from the 00's without the GPU shitting itself.
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So I built a new PC for a family member on an old atx case but it gives me a light shock whenever I touch the IO shield or the metal part of the back. I thought it was the power supply so I used an old one too to test it out and the results were the same. I am thinking now it's the case since it doesn't have traditional standoffs but rather these elevated bridge ones (circled in red). And the motherboard is micro atx so I can't put all of them with standoffs just 6 max. There are holes to put the microatx (blue) but they don't have standoffs and that would be worse wouldn't it? It's probably not grounding itself correctly or something like that. The case is the culprit isn't it?
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I need a SFX PSU for my mATX. I have a Corsair SF750 on backorder but would it be worth getting the older SF850L which is cheaper and instock. Whats the difference between ATX3.0 and ATX3.1 anyway?
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>>103606770
What nvidia card do you recommend in similar budget then
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>>103606693
The MSI has good fans. The windforce does not.
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>>103606855
ATX 3.0 is actually more stringent than ATX 3.1.
If a PSU is 3.0 it's already 3.1 because the standard was higher on 3.0.
If they both have the same PSU side connection for the 12 pin then the 3.0 is 'better' marginally because of the lower 3.1 standard.
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>>103606817
It's 99.999% likely that the back of the motherboard is shorting on the motherboard tray somewhere.
Are there any standoffs that the motherboard doesn't have a hole for?
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>>103606047
I'll still be using my LF3 in 10 years though.
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I've been waiting for RTX 5090 since the start of the year. But now I'm thinking to wait for AMD's top GPU... which, I assume, gonna be RX 8900 XTX or something like that? Probably released in summer.
But not sure if "the more you wait, the more you win" applies here
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>>103607084
AMDs next flagship won't even beat a 4080.
And by the time it launches Nvidia will have bought out a 24gb 5080TI.
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>>103607084
AMD has all but committed to ceding the high end next gen. Their top tier card is likely to be the 8800XT with, at best, 4080 class performance. If you're planning to drop $5k on a PC next year it'll have to be Nvidia.
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>>103607101
>>103607106
It's just I've been waiting for over a year to upgrade my GPU. But the closer it gets to RTX 5090 release the less I'm excited about buying it and consider to wait more... Because if 5090 will be as good as the leaks suggest, then imagine how amazing 6090 will be or maybe AMD pull herself together.

tfw waiting is more exciting than consuming...
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>>103607101
>24gb 5080TI
Even if this does become a thing it's gonna be $1500+, who cares? If you have money to burn then get a 5090, why wait an extra 6+ months for a different shit value card that isn't even the best on the maret?



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