How to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/>Frequency Response Graph Toolsquig.link>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120• HiBy M300 - $200>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>106572370
will i need portable dac+amp with angzuWan'er S.Gphone is chicnksht
>>106592427Only if you hear hissing with them.
>>106590608eq guide just unironically tells you to use a speaker system or fuck off.
>Amp finally got delivered Anyways, here an unboxing dump because some anon said he likes pics
>>106592835>Wooden box inside
>>106592867>Amp
>>106592882>Accessories (end of dump)Kinda barebones, wished LP had included a case
Help me >>106591608 I need something for a loud environment.
>>106592943tws is very unpopular here, especially anything more expensive than $20If you bring some options it will be easy to evaluate their audio quality.
>>106592943Nothing beats etymotics for passive noise isolation but they're wired. Rtings measures passive noise isolation if I recall.
>>106592943Are you sensitive to ANC? I heard some people can't bear the "pressure" inside their ear even though it's an illusion. I can't recommend off the top of my head since most TWS have shallow fits. Try looking for ones where the nozzles are a lot longer on the photos.
>>106592395Hello am looking for reccomendations, primarily for gaming/positional audio, good audio in general cause i have a flac library. I have a pair of truthear zeros, the blue gen1 ones, and I was pretty happy with them overall its just the left driver is tweaking, my balance on left is 80% now, so I’m looking for a replacement.Thanks
>>106593170>>106593193>>106593136Yes well, I have Etymotics and love them when the wire isn't an issue. How are wireless adapters these days? Maybe I just use the Etymotics with a wireless adapter. Yes the wire is a problem for my use case. I'm not looking for optimum audio quality, the options are either just earpro or earpro that I can play some music or podcasts through. It's not going to be great no matter what.
>>106593322remove both filters.
Uodated my fiio driver, it set volume to MAX for about 2 seconds.Is my iem a goner? My ears are still ringing.
>>106593658Fiio'd.
>>106592666Nobody read the guide though.
>>106593658Already gone the first time it started tweaking, i replaced them with a fresh pair and it wasnt any better so i just left them off
>>106592105u sure those are good? they cost $8
I read the EQ Guide AMA
>>106594524how big is the dildo you ordered
What's the point of buying wired IEMs now that Apple solved the form factor the the Airpods Pro?
>>106594567apple is shit. your opinion is shit.
>>106594567airpods unlike earpods are zogslop
>>106594627earpods are dogshit e-waste, too.
>>106594524what this mean?
>>106594647but theyre still the best in the entire category of earbuds which are all ewaste
>>106594766All IEMs are e-waste. They're literally recycled parts being resold to EQ addicts.
>>106594879also true
>>106594567Because there's an entire market of delusional listeners buying knockoff monitors for musicians because they believe they can buy literal garbage and fix them.
e-waste doesn't exist, it's a meme
>>106594524No you didn't. Nobody read the EQ guide.>>106594508It's all the same recycled crap.
>>106594524why lie?>>106594751unprimed dogshit measurement
The most delusional part of the EQ guide is that the tranny who wrote it honestly believes he's not listening to recycled e-waste that he thought he could fix.
>>106594914has anyone even managed to talk to xhem directly?
>>106594914Seriously, he reiterates multiple times that his identity is a secret, you don't know who he is, nobody must find out, you'll never know, etc. It's a fucking tranny. Nobody has this much narcissism and delusion of grandeur.
>>106594908>unprimed dogshit measurementhe measured multiple times, and all opinions state a more V-shape signature... even if it's not primed, it's unlikely they'll measure like the APP2
>>106594751It means twshit, avoid.
>>106594751>we want the negro audience
>even the most dedicated EQ guide hater can't say that it's wrongThat's how you know it's the real deal.
>>106594986>he measured multiple timesunless he really knows what he's doing, which he probably doesn't, measuring multiple doesn't do shit wait for proper measurements, we never know with these (even more so with only the coupler and no pinna)
>>106595018nigga, he also measured the app2 under the same conditions, so relatively it's plain obvious. But yeah, im gonna wait to see the primed bass tuck and earlier ear gain
>>106595016But he never read the guide, and neither did you.
>>106595043stop assuming that the underlying dsp will behave the sameloser
Fully convinced now that whoever wrote the guide is samefagging like crazy under three camps and artificially inflating discussion around it.
>>106595052saved your post so i can meme you when lilsister shares xer measurements
>>106595087i'm ready to be wrong, we'll see very soon
>>106595072All me btw.
>>106595132Post your N+ account.
>>106592882>L&P EA4So is this what you settled on for a portable source and you still have other desktop source? Do you mainly care about how Storm sounds on the sources you test, or still account for other pos?
>finally get around to reading the chinese e-waste repair guide>suddenly feel the urge to put on makeup and inject the 'moansxirs... go on without me
>>106595683I gotta sayYou are severely mentally ill
>>106595072samefagging is xer bread and butter, don't be fooled.
>>106595763I'm including you.
>>106595769oh, you think I'm doing it too. guess we're all delusional trannies now.
>>106595785Guess we always were, huh.
>>106595807well..you got it wrong.
I'll fix my Chinese e-waste, you'll see. I'll EQ the nasally vocals out of my Ruta10, I'll EQ my Waner into a Waner 2 and I'll make my Zero2 have instrument separation and coherent soundstage. You'll all see, and I'll finally get my $0's worth.
>>106595978did EQ I give you change anything? Why are you still crying like a retard?Some of you people are so fucking mentally ill
>>106596013>Some of you people are so fucking mentally ill>some
>>106592666If you don't have a full-range room EQd speaker setup you're never going to make it.
>>106596164>speaker setupfor what?
>>106596197For periodic pink noise 128k.
>>106592395If i like the Tangzu Wan'er 1st gen, will I like the KZ Caster Pro, or do I just get the Wan'er 2s
>>106596533Castor Pro hands down.
>>106596533I like my Castor non-pro ymmv. It's still a V shape but the 2DD (i guess one's a subwoofer) makes it less painful
Recommend me a clear-sounding COMFY pair of headphones for $25-$75 (or at least some headphones that are compatible with decent earpads that don't sweat like hell) My Panasonic RP-HT-161 are starting to break.I said $25-$75 so even if you wanted to you can't give me your hi-fi meme and even then I tried the hi-fi meme and it indeed is a joke, memes are a joke. If I hear one more retard say that specific brand and model of headphones are comfy I'll kill him. Shallowest metal band I've ever had, I'm surprised it even was metal, but if it wasn't then it would have broken instantly ... and I have a relatively small head.
>>106596197for blaring touhou music while banging tinder sluts
>>106596552Please explain, most reviews I've seen say it's mostly just a sidegrade in that it's just different tuning. Then again, it is subjective so it might be an upgrade to me.. hmm..
>>106596565VX Pro if you can get it for $30
>>106596561I find the Wan'er to be clean and crisp, it gets very boomy though, that's pretty much my only gripe with it.
Just wanted to let you all know that the AES September papers have been published on their website. Since most are free to access, both I and Editor are not in a hurry to include it in the paper archive.
>>106594751better basspossibly worse treble but might have wide soundstage
>>106596574>sidegrade in that it's just different tuningthat's literally every iem
>>106596565>I said $25-$75 so even if you wanted to you can't give me your hi-fi meme and even then I tried the hi-fi meme and it indeed is a joke, memes are a joke. If I hear one more retard say that specific brand and model of headphones are comfy I'll kill him. Shallowest metal band I've ever had, I'm surprised it even was metal, but if it wasn't then it would have broken instantly ... and I have a relatively small head.You're talking about Sennheiser HD 600, aren't you?
>>106596596woah more shit for nobody to read
Thou shalt not slander the HUH DUH SIX HUNDRED from ol mate senny
>>106592395https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsaW1S1vcXAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsaW1S1vcXAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsaW1S1vcXA
>>106594766Mogged by blue Vido.
best /csg/ headphone for September?I've had 2 pairs of Simgot EW300 break in the space of 2 months and need a new pair.
Any recommendation for gaming purposes?Must be easy to drive.Got some codes for Aliexpress, would spend up to 100 bucks.Simgot EW200?
>>106597862Bunny>>106597872Bunny
>>106597880I can't tell if this is a meme or not.
>>106597880Not available over AliExpress, for whatever reasons.
>>106597872KZ PRX>Must be easy to drive.All IEMs are easy to drive.
>>106597862daybreak
Is Artti T10 pro still good?For 80 bucks?
>EDC Pro>Total sales 3,000+I appreciate your support, bros!
>>106598003tfw PR2 is hard to drive on my OTL
Still daily driving my Letshuoer D13
>>106598306EDC Pro is unironically iemg's best rec
Should I buy all of these or are any of them redundant?Artti T10 (neutral planar)Letshuoer S08 (warm planar)Hidizs MK12 Turris (mid focused)Punch Audio Martilo (bass cannon)
>>106598781you have to give us a reason why you're wanting to buy many different planars>t10not really "neutral" whatever you think that means, but it is the same tuning as most of the early planars>s08warm, dark, and funkypretty different from the rest, like a worse explorer imo>mk12just a bad outdated pos>martilohaven't tried this one yet but it looks fine
coming from ew200 should i buy a hexa in this day and age? (i like ew200 but wanna lean more into neutral) i have an upgrade cable to pair with the hexa so i dont wanna spend extra for the pure since its fine on its own.
>>106597133utter dogshit
>>106598781t10 might not fit wellsame for s08mk12 like anon says is outdated crap. typical 1DD without filter damping it. buy any other 1dd and take off the nozzle filter for the same "enhanced resolution." (mid-treble peaks)martilo is fine, but is indeed basshead. don't come back complaining "wahh it's too bassy" (yes, it's a common complaint heard from people who don't understand wtf they are buying)
>>106598820>>106598967What do you guys mean with MK12 (Turris) being outdated? As it was released just a month or two ago. Thanks though! Reason I want more Planars is because I bought the KZ PRX for cheap during the last Ali sale and I just love the sound. But since I already have the Aful Explorers, I probably don't need the S08. I've heard the T10 is supposed to be a better PRX though, but maybe it's not.I also saw Truthear Hexa is now $72 on Ali. I might pick those up since I don't have anything with such a tuning.
>>106598967Noted on the Martilo, btw. But I do love bass (as long as it isn't muddy).
>>106599026>What do you guys mean with MK12 (Turris) being outdated? As it was released just a month or two ago. the sound itself is outdatedif you want to know how something sounds, check their frequency response>Reason I want more Planars is because I bought the KZ PRX for cheap during the last Ali sale and I just love the sound. you love the sound because of the tuning/fr, not because of the driver typeyou don't hear the driver type, you hear what it influences (tuning/fr)>I've heard the T10 is supposed to be a better PRX though, but maybe it's not.maybe, they have some differences, i recommend going through the usual amazon method of buying and returning>I also saw Truthear Hexa is now $72 on Ali. I might pick those up since I don't have anything with such a tuning.good idea, you can always try eq but it's probably too complicated for you
>>106599047>the sound itself is outdated>if you want to know how something sounds, check their frequency responseI see. I haven't seen anything weird on the FR and it got great reviews from two YouTubers (Jays Audio who said it is so good he listens to it on his free time and Ducbloke who rated it as S tier irregardless of price). But they might be shills of course. Does it have too many peaks in the treble or what do you think is outdated about it?(Continues..)
>>106599047>you love the sound because of the tuning/fr, not because of the driver type>you don't hear the driver type, you hear what it influences (tuning/fr)No, really, I can clearly hear the planar timbre. It's a very different sound than all the DDs and BAs I've heard. It sounds "metallic" and very "clean", perhaps even "expensive" (because they sound like my old KEF LS50W speakers and that's what I associate with expensive audio).
>>106599047>good idea, you can always try eq but it's probably too complicated for youNot at all, I use EQ profiles for all my IEMs except the Aful Explorer.
>>106599128No, it's upper treble boost, which results in what you hear.
>>106599149Like treble after 10k? Because I've reduced the peak at 8k (that all KZs seem to have) with EQ and it still sounds like this. You can hear how "fast" everything is (incl the bass).
>>106599115There lots of resonances (the up and down uneven peaks). We call it old because this kind of frequency response is the result of crude tuning / driver implementation, which was what was available 10-20 years ago in the IEM space.Now, we have better ideas about what sounds "natural," and it is not a rollercoaster frequency response.Don't misconstrue what I'm saying or make assumptions though.You, and whatever Youtubers, are free to have any opinion you like when you listen to them in your ears. I also am free to not have to recommend and not sugarcoat reality. It is lazy tuning, reminiscent of older cheap gear. There is a phenomena where what is typical (nowadays, good tuning) becomes "boring," and thus people seek a more colored sound. MK12 would classify as a highly colored sound. Good or bad, you're free to make your own determination. I call it bad.
>>106599178>Like treble after 10k?Yes, where there is lots of boosting all the way up to 20khz.
>>106599115>But they might be shills of coursenot really, they just lack any type of credibility and knowledgeexperience with many pos is not useful when you don't know how to listen critically, and is not a replacement for proper acoustic knowledge> Does it have too many peaks in the treble or what do you think is outdated about it?the tuning as a whole, and everything above 2k screams outdated, from the driver resonance to bad treble extension>>106599128no, you are hearing tuning/fr. planars do have common fr features so that's probably what you're hearing, but that's about it.saying you hear a driver type is plain false, the driver type doesn't sound like anything, it's a driver type. it will change what is audible (tuning/fr) but that's itif you want, you can try to explain what you mean by "metallic" and "clean" but these are completely subjective terms with no basis in reality (apart from perception ofc)>>106599178>Because I've reduced the peak at 8k (that all KZs seem to have) with EQ and it still sounds like this. You can hear how "fast" everything is (incl the bass).very common mistakes to make when reading frread the followinghttps://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/how-to-eq/eq-with-personal-measurements/#insertion-depth-and-ear-tipshttps://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/myths-misconceptions/
>>106599185Ok, yes they do kind of look like my ISN H20s on the graph (although those start to "wobble" a lot earlier in the frequency curve). I just assumed it wouldn't matter that much when it occured in the treble region (being more prone to measurement errors and such). But thanks for pointing it out, I will wait with this one until there's more reviews or until they've measured Ducblokes retune (should be releasing soon).
>>106599212Thank you! I will read the link and respond properly tomorrow.
>>106599249pleasure, and as anon said, don't let anything about what we said deter you from trying them out (and enjoying them if that happens to be the case)
>>106599221btw unrelated to the particular models we are discussing, but just so you know, both Hidizs and ISN (part of Penon family) are two rather infamous companies when it comes to shilling.Hidizs used reddit bots and fake accounts to shill their MP145 planar near release. They also send out many free reviewer samples, only for reviewers who speak positively about the products.Same for ISN and Penon who also have a forceful hand in making sure reviewers always positively review their products, or else they are cut off from free samples.This occurs with other companies as well, but very notably with those two. You also, like many, have fallen for KZ IEMs, another company notorious for shady practices. From fake drivers implemented, to silent revisions (bait and switch tactics), routinely lying with their own manufacturer graphs/specs, etc.I have no bone to pick, other than to shed light on facts. You can spend money however you like, but there are companies which actually do better investment into product R&D, and don't commit to such unethical practices.The bigger picture and takeaway you should understand deeply, is that you do not get a true representation about how the public feels about the products.You get 9/10 of the reviews from "professional," reviewers (aka they live off free sample units), who do not want to get cut off, thus speak favorably about the product. If they cannot even muster favorable fluff pieces for the model, they simply don't publish a review. Thus, you have a biased review system always representation shill mouth pieces for products, not critical customers.
>>106599221>the guy who has a collab of an IEM speaks favorably of itYou have no suspicions about that?
And btw, I am someone in the community as well. I just met with and spoke to Ducbloke in person.He is one person. Just like I am one person. You should never weigh anyone's opinion as some kind of infallible prophet of sound. He is an old white fart who likely has literal hearing loss as early as 16khz.
good guy, friendly, nothing against him. he likely has age-related hearing loss though, and that's a fact.
>>106599288KZ didn't use 'fake' drivers. they just wired them wrong
>>106599288Oh yeah, I've noticed Penon/ISN/TSMR is heavily shilled on Head Fi. That's why I bought the H20 first (their cheapest offering) to try it out. I did not like it one bit, so I won't buy anything more from them. Also don't like that they advertise that all their products need to be burned in for 200 hours to sound good (and they only give you a 2 day return window).Yes of course I am suspicious about Ducbloke's review. But at least he sent me a good EQ preset for the H20 that made it decent enough to not have to throw it in the trash. I've also made my own preset using Squig and mine sounds similar (although his was probably a little bit better). So from that I started to think that maybe he will have a similar taste in tuning. At least I feel like while I can't trust what he says, I can maybe trust it more than what some random guy (or bot) says on Head Fi or reddit.But yeah I'm still a noob in the hobby so I'm trying to gather information, try out a lot of sets and learn what I can. You sound like you know what you're talking about for sure. Tomorrow I will read the link (just wanted to reply real quick now). Thanks for the info.
Can you guys help me with the AirPods Pro 3. I would love a relatively cheap hearing aid for an elderly relative. Does any of this work?
just checking, ind*ans haven't figured out how to make audio products yet right?
>>106599762I wouldn't be surprised if India could recycle e-waste better than China's IEM market right now
Endgame.K11 R2R $120 https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtV1rZbTA-66 $185 https://www.amazon.com/LEAUDIO-XDUOO-Headphone-Amplifier-High-Performance/dp/B0CXDLDVC5VX Pro $30 https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807161125648.html
https://files.catbox.moe/s6jx1b.flac
>>106600179The human ear can't hear above 360p.
>>106600190EQ, son.
>>106600135mogs fox iem
>>106600198You can't EQ sample rate. We've been over this, ewastezo.
>>106600205I believe it
>>106600218That's just you're unreliable human hearing, placebo and brain burn-in.
>>106600267https://files.catbox.moe/tsx11r.flac
>>106600293https://files.catbox.moe/cpdcs6.flac
>>106600325If you want it to sound better, you gotta throw the e-waste away and buy a pair of speakers.
>>106600337It's an anime website, I don't know what to tell you.
>>106600348Go get drunk and post on >>>/b/ this time or whatever you lonely old people do.
>>106600360>>106600369You're in the wrong thread. This thread is for discussing the software repair of recycled driver e-waste from China also known as "tuning," not music.
>>106600369wrong general dipshit
>>106600425wrong general dipshit
>>106600436popavg jm-1??
Is there a pmg I can read txt files on? I got a job at fedex and they won't let us have phones but I wanna read when I'm on the toilet. My boss said things like apple watches are allowed.
>>106600454what, you can't get a boner anymore so you're bored here, of all places? I'm not listening to anything you post, by the way
>>106600788or you could fuck off to the right thread and stop spamming here
>>106600980Tanhcjim Bunny's, Zero 2, and Tangzu Waner studio edition. Kinda want something for gaming though
>>106595374>settled onI'm thinking of getting the Masskobo 475 as well. A treble-boosting amp would be a nice option next to a nutube amp like the EA4. >other desktop sourceI do have a Questyle CMA15 for desktop use but I'm away for work most of the time, so desktop sources aren't my priority atm. Though I'll admit that desktop sources sound better than my shitty DAP.>Do you mainly care about how Storm sounds on the sources you test, or still account for other pos?Storm is tuned to be neutral so its the easiest way to hear for coloration in sources. As for other pos, I do take note of whether the amp is capable of driving the Nightjar Duality and whether there's any hints of channel imbalance or noise floor when I plug easy to drive pos (Jomo Nautilus/Palavox Akasha). My concerns for synergy in terms of sound are mainly reserved for the more expensive IEMs. As for beater sets like the Helios or Gaea, synergy's an afterthought (I won't keep them for long in my collection anyways).
cheaper and has more power than og go blu.
Interested to buy Kiwi Ears CadenzaAre those worth?
>>106600348We only listen to real music https://youtu.be/nrTRP8_fOCw
>>106601145no, because they don't fit well for about 50% of the people that try them, myself includedif you want a cheap pos with similar tuning that I haven't heard about fit issues with, maybe look at tripowin vivace?
>>106595132HP 440 recent laptop, gay as fuck if you ask me
>>106601646Who asked.
>>106601684>but I didn't eat breakfast todayfox fag is a niggeranyways, what's the deal with the new airpods pro then?
>>106601712>what's the deal with the new airpods pro then?Garbage.
>>106601712>>106601727mehif you take the measurements from this thread and stretch them to regular scale most of squig.link uses they seem finewait for more measurementsthey'll probably need less EQ than equivalent from Sony or Samsung but if they still don't work properly outside of apple's ecosystem it's a moot point anyway
>>106601751It'll probably change the FR depending on the volume just like 2. It'll suck no matter what.
>>106601768the only thing 2 really changed was boost the bass at low volume which is fine but also I doubt they'll do again since the bass is increased already, they don't have the headroom for extra 5db of sub bass anymore
I had an opportunity to test the famed IER-Z1R and it brutally mogs my IEMs. To this day that legendary bass still haunts my dreamsz even as a profound bassnigger hater. Whatever shall I do bwos?
>>106596565Tascam TH-02
does anyone have any suggestions for wireless earbuds for the gym? I mainly want them to not get fucked up with sweat and have good noise cancellation.
>>106602447here you go bro"Melobuds Pro">Cheap>Good ANC>Excellent tuning. I personally EQ it to the Moondorp Aria 2>Good fit >LDAC... for 50 bucks. Fifty. Bucks. That's a steal.
KZ eartips are shit
>>106603256I started using hybrid silicone/foam eartips ones and eartips are now solved for me.By the way it's super funny that it's yet another thing Apple is pretending they invented(the new Airpods use hybrid tips)
What's the best Chinese e-waste being sold right now, just Waner and Zero2s?
>>106603290Any particular brand you recommend? Is this like the sort of foam that's used in earplugs, or is the hybrid material significantly different? And how often do you need to change them?
>>106603369Chu 2. Everything else is a meme. Also Bnuy. Anything with a Waifu on Box™ is par excellence
>>106602047Embrace the nigger.
Q1 Pro was the first recommendation I got from /iemg/ and it's still the best.
>>106599026I got PR2, PR1 and PRX, gonna order Lafitear LV 1 soon. Spent around $40, I also gotta buy an amp for them, especially the PR2.
>>106603379I use Symbio W tips, but haven't tried the other ones. It's just the same material used in some foam eartips, it has faster rebound than the stuff used in earplugs. It's basically a regular silicone eartip, only there's foam between the outer layer and the core. I don't think you'll need to replace them until the foam starts degrading, since your ear gunk has no contact with the foam. The amount of foam depends on the size, but even with the smallest ones there's enough to provide a great seal and stop IEMs slipping out, without soaking up earwax or irritation that can happen with regular foam tips. And they don't change the sound the way foam tips to(besides the change that comes from improving the seal)
Hahahhaha. Banned. Bypassed. Back. Maybe ill come back in here and drunk post another bunch of songs again. You cant ban me nigger.
I know it's in the recommended section of the guide, but are the NiceHCK YDX good/decent enough?I mostly want them for playing games and music every now and I prefer flatheads (less wax to worry about).
>>106602047Those are ao.e very high dollar iems.. its more than i want to spend. But I think oneday i may buy the Kato as my endgame iem.
Another $0 popped up
The free $10 vouchers popped up again so I'll grab this next
>>106603644LA fit, for an LA bitch™
>>106603588Thanks, that's good info. I'll get the SML pack and try them out, and I should be able to sell off the unnecessary sizes to some friends, assuming they have different sized ears.
clean your ears
>>106603549
So I got a $300 Amazon gift card and I wanna pick up an "end game" IEM (all my other ones cost between $10 and $100). I can only pick one and I can't return it because it will ship overseas and I pay duties, taxes etc.I've narrowed down my options to:>Hisenor Mega5EST ($549), original version>Xenns Tea Pro ($341)>Punch Audio Martilo ($279 w/ 15% discount)>Ziigaat Doscinco ($245 w/ 10% discount)>Ziigaat Odyssey ($229)>Ziigaat Odyssey 2 ($224)If the Top Pro was on Amazon I probably would've ordered it, but it isn't so here we are.What I like: Good punchy bass (with slam), both sub-bass and mid-bass. Also (male) vocals should not be recessed or sound like they're behind a veil. I like good treble that doesn't have any sharp peaks (because that can easily irritate my ears).What do I listen to? Blues, Rock, Soul and once in a blue moon some HipHop or EDM. Stevie Ray Vaughn, Johnny Winter, Van Morrison, Rolling Stones are some of my most listened to artists.I'm open to (and probably will) use a little bit of EQ, but of course I prefer it to sound as good as possible out of the box.
>>106604760VX Pro
>>106595132What's the Averi icon for?
>>106604760Several of those are very different.Mega5EST: The only one with Sonion electret tweeters (part of why it costs more). Arguably the "flattest," among the choices.Martilo: The most bassy by a mile.Odyssey 2: Only if you want a warmer, smooth sound (read as: not highly technical or "impressive")In general, they are sets that lie within bounds of "balanced." None are "low quality," they do most things well, but have their own quirks and nuances.Nothing I say can guarantee your satisfaction or help you narrow down further. How they sound in your ears is the ultimate priority, which you do not know. It's up to you to pick one.
>>106603449>Chu 2Oxidizing nozzles because Moondorp couldn't find a better material to have their premium look, and also all metal = heavy = will be slipping out of your ears. Went with those, then went with EPZ Q1 Pro's and I'm happy with them more.
>>106604760>M5EDepending on how you like your bass it may be acceptable, but I do find the mega5est slightly muddy. Low-end is thick so male vocals do have good body to them. Treble is quite tamed so this is probably the safest pick. Also the best timbre and tonality out of the bunch.>Xenns Tea ProMore subbassy than M5E, bass is tighter and cleaner than the Mega5. Male vocals should be acceptable and treble is also quite tame. (albeit brighter than the M5E). Prob the most basshead set of the bunch.>Punch Audio MartiloHaven't heard.>Ziigaat DoscincoBassy, good male vocals but treble has that cheap chifi glare to it. May be risky to blind buy? But good price-to-performance.>Ziigaat OdysseyMud-fi trash with edgy treble.>Ziigaat Odyssey 2Haven't heard.
>>106604863>metal = heavy = will be slipping out of your ears.I don't have this issue with either of my metal shell pos. perhaps clean your ears
>>106604910>weeb pos avoid
How can you even claim to have acoustic knowledge when you didn't even play an instrument in highschool?
>>106605095I played with your mom in high school
>>106605095Playing instruments doesn't teach you Laplace transform.
>>106605095Because I'm acoustic
https://youtu.be/YJcJYoBCE-I?si=a2qG2wcaBh_GlMrXthis might be intresting for you to watch
It’s Stax portable earspeakers, for me
>>106605095I read the e-waste repair guide and now realize your unreliable human hearing, placebo effect and brain burn-in makes all your high school band experience worthless.
>>106605134Why did you buy that pos...
>>106605129The important part: >>106604910
>>106605160huh?
>>106605180when was that horse shit released?
>>106605211what’s wrong with Walkman’s?
>>106605095Writing music, playing music, and even making audio equipment is completely unrelated to judging sound quality. The closest you get without explicitly training for it is being an integrator.
it really doesn’t get better than enjoying state of the art portable earspeakers from Stax
>>106605376Sounds like needless kvetching over what is just the aesthete/autismo split spectrum. Musicians are just more likely to recognize actual artistically valuable information regardless of measurable quality.
>>106605416>actual artistically valuable informationSo, not sound quality.
>>106605427that's just structural supremist theory, largely discredited
>>106605441No.
>>106605447maybe
>>106605180gross.
>>106605410ksc-75 can actually finish the distortion test unlike these, a nice upgrade.
>>106604910>had everyone's attention more than new tribrid and 1+6damn 1DDbros won...
>>106605494Please hurry the fuck up Cheng I want to finish my MMCX mod already
>>106604848Furry image tagger.
>>106605492pretty pretty nice earspeakers if I do say so
>>106605494yeah the Stax are a nice upgrade from everything
cleanse this general floorniggerthe dogfuckers, the pedos, the rats, the poorfagsall bow to your autism
>>106604760Fox IEM, endgame.
thread's dead, baby. thread's dead.
>>106605376You don't need to be trained to judge audio. You just have to be honest and say whether you think it sounds good or not. It's a subjective hobby...
>>106605862Why is the thread dead? Just keep talking about iems.
>>106604760the only one of those I'd buy myself is Martilo but I like bass a lot and lot of it from the rest probably Tea Pro
>>106606171You can honestly believe you thought something sounded good or bad but in a blind test you will listen to the same IEM twice and hear two different things. That is the nature of human hearing.
>>106605862APP3 killed the hobby
>>106606186This guy gets it, nothing beats Stax in ear earspeakers with tubes
>>1066055101pos peddlers, I kneel
>>106605840there's nothing wrong with 2 of these groups
>>106606435I thought EQing e-waste would save the hobby.
>>106606435ThisNo reason to buy anything else, ever. It's so over
Let's be real. Nobody that likes IEMs likes airpods. IEMs exploded in popularity after airpods despite the 3.5mm extinction simply because people wanted to get away from this shit.
precuck has spokenbuy YU9 Que!!https://youtu.be/4H1GgMKPAUs
>>106606406i use this argument to explain why my pos is better than yours desu
Which modern IEM has the best "drive"? I currently have the Fiio FH3 and everyone who tries it agrees that it has great drive. Very good for country, blues, swing, and rock.
>>106606779wtf is drive
>>106606836It's the unmeasurable(?) quality that makes you bop your head or start dancing.
>>106606861that's called a beat
>>106606892Oh. So you say "damn this music has beat"?
>>106606942you would describe it, like "a good beat". same you would with how the bass is "hard hitting". which is what I'm sure you meant, but you're also pretending to be retarded
next someone’s gonna explain what “in the pocket” means
>>106606974what's your point
I bought a pair of pretty expensive IEMs. I have a pretty low end DAC. Does it matter? How much difference will i have from listening with a great DAC vs a mediocre DAC when i have a good pair of IEMs?
>>106607025sensitivity and ohms?
£20. What do I buy?Noise rock and movie watching.
>>106606958Only heard "beat" being used when talking about HipHop. So which IEMs have the best beat?
Corin "Cringy" Koh talking with Jim - bad news for resident xixtax: he's not transalso BA+EST pos, avoid
>>106606974he doesn’t know what it means lol lmfao
>>106607154they don't.
>>106607161>ESTripmicroplanars rape ests if you must include a meme treble driver
>>106606974I'm the best
>>106606836ryan gosling you uncultured pleb>>106606974it happened in 0080
>>106607059lafitear lf3 pro
>>106602647>Melobuds Prothanks, I'll check them out
>Tanchjim Origin Limited EditionFuck it, fine, where do I preorder?
>>106608565don't you know ASSano? she needs to tease at least 100x on twitter for that blue balls energy
answer: “Drive” isn’t caused by one frequency; it’s the combo of rhythm, transients, and a few key bands that our ears and bodies respond to. Still, certain ranges reliably add energy:- 30–60 Hz (sub): Weight you feel more than hear. Adds power, not speed.- 60–90 Hz (thump): The heartbeat of many kicks/bass notes. Anchors the groove.- 90–150 Hz (punch): Chest hit of kick and bass; often the most “driving” low-end band.- 150–250 Hz (body): Bass note definition, snare chest. A bit helps push; too much turns boxy.- 250–500 Hz (low‑mid): Easily gets muddy; trimming here often makes the groove feel tighter.- 700 Hz–1.5 kHz (growl/grit): Harmonics that make bass/guitars speak on small speakers; adds urgency.- 2–5 kHz (attack/presence): Transient “click/crack” of kick, snare, percussion, guitars. Big contributor to perceived speed and aggression.- 6–12 kHz (sizzle): Hi-hats and cymbal patterns that create forward motion. Too much can be harsh.- 12–18 kHz (air): Shine, not really “drive.”What actually makes it feel driving>Tight timing and subdivision: Consistent 8th/16th notes (hats, shakers), syncopation, and micro‑timing.>Transient shape: Preserve or enhance attack; use transient designers or slower compressor attacks.>Dynamics: Parallel compression on drums, bus compression with slow attack/fast release for punch and glue.>Sidechain interplay: Let the kick momentarily duck the bass to emphasize the pulse.>Saturation: Adds midrange harmonics (700 Hz–5 kHz) so the groove reads on all systems.>Arrangement: Complementary kick–bass patterns; avoid overlapping notes that smear the pulse.Quick genre pointers- Rock: Kick 70–90 Hz, snare 180–220 Hz body and 3–5 kHz crack; trim 250–350 Hz mud; parallel drum comp.
>>106609290A real human bean and a real hero
>>106609290>- 250–500 Hz (low‑mid): Easily gets muddy; trimming here often makes the groove feel tighter.sounds like lies
>>106609290track specific eq? is that what you're pushing?
>>106609574Ideally, that would have already been done by the mastering engineer, so the best bet is a neutral FR that matches the HD600s he tested it on.
Lmao, I'm getting the shitty TWSs for (almost) free from the water game
>>106609574No, not track‑specific EQ. I’m talking about tuning the playback chain/iem so the bands that create “drive” are emphasized in general. One preset per iem is plenty.What I mean by “drive” EQ:> +2–5 dB around 90–150 Hz for punch (or more depending on your iem)> Small trim 250–400 Hz to avoid mud> Slight boost 700-1000 Hz to make guitars sound more meaty and aggressive> Tame any peaks around 6-8k so you can turn up the volume without things getting sibilantExample tracks with drive to try out with:https://youtu.be/StV9lElcvAY?https://youtu.be/IiaKsQrb_e0?
Reading Amazon review of Blessing 3 Dusk.>I played these head to head with Kiwi Ears Quintet and the soundstage is so much wider and more open on the Quintet at half the price.Reading Kiwi Ears Quintet Amazon review.>the TruthEars HEXA sound just as good for a fraction of the price...
>>106609662read the eq guide. I say this so you can just shut the fuck up for a while, not that I'm actually reccing it.
>EQ Guide>not even a mention of sine illusion or how to read compensated graphs as a less misleading way to read graphs over rawplease... improve saar...
>>106609609sennfags are the vegans of the audio world. this post convinced me
>>106609777trips of truth. I wasn't going to reply to that anon because it was so far fetched
>>106609729fuck compensated graphs
>>106609892I'll compensate your mom, if you know what I mean
>>106609707thats the only reason anyone recommends the eq guide, since nobody has ever or will ever read it.
>>106609729compensated graphs are unironically more misleading
Hello friends.I want to get rid of my gaming headphones, wanted to switch to some IEM. My budget is 150 USD at max, I will be using it mostly for gaming and work meetings, so it needs to have a microphone. I also listen mostly to EDM and Metal songs.So far, doing my own research, I have been looking at Moondrop Rays, also saw some KZ models but couldn't figure which of to get, since there are so many.
BASS or REF?
What just happened
>>106610093rays should be fine yeah
>>106609696doesn't surprise me... insertion depth and acoustic impendence will change sound dramatically IEM reviews are fucking useless
>>106610180always bass
>>106610197foxbum melty
>>106609729I have included a small paragraph that describes compensation and it's uses.As it stands, I am ambivalent to include more.
any gachimuchi theme iems?
>>106610066How? It's just the difference between the measurement and the target, also the Y-axis is in dBr so it's much easier to read differences in the treble
>>106610654you can see differences perfectly fine on a raw graph>it's much easier to read differences in the trebleit shouldn't be any more easier if you don't have brain damage>the targetI really don't see a point. With compensated graph you can't even see what kind of target is used. With raw it's immediately obvious
>>106610731>I really don't see a point. With compensated graph you can't even see what kind of target is used. With raw it's immediately obviousOmg. You are very dumb. In any tool you select which target you'd like to compensate and when you are comparing 2 or more graphs it's easier to spot big deviations. Only tards care about raw.
>>106610804no actually you sound dumb. i prefer raw data as well. targets are irrelevant to someone who knows how things should sound.
>>106610851It's not just targets, compensating against a different iem or eartips models for example just highlight the differences in an easier way. Stop reading graphs like a noob.
>>106610804Are you retarded? Did I ask for an explanations? "Big deviations" are fucking obvious no matter how you look at a graph.How about explaining how "compensated graphs" are less misleading way to read graphs? cause >i-i-it's easier to s-s-see b-b-big deviationsain't it
>>106610889what kind of brain damage do you have that you can't do exactly the same thing with a raw graph?Unless you are compensating against your own HRTF shit literally pointless and doesn't matter. useless graph wank>Stop reading graphs like a noobironic
>>106610889a raw measurement is all you need when you're not a brainlet]>eartips models for examplestraight up moronic lmao. you're trusting eartip differences, when they occur in exactly the least reliable region of 711 coupler measurements, which is a straight metal tube, not your individual anatomy fleshy ear. newfag
>>106610895You are using raw in 2025, bro. That's the definition of retardation.
>>106610931>for exampleBrain injuryzo can't read. Relative differences are useful, though.
>>106610940can you actually name 1 reason to use compensated graphs that is not "I'm stupid and can't read a raw graph"?
>>106610954>Relative differences are useful, though.In what way
>>106610978You guys are dumb enough. Someone posted a Q1 pro graph with a channel mismatch and everyone was meming it as ~3 dB difference in the bass but when the anon showed the compensate the dBr was just 1 dB.
>>106611000>Some other novice misread it one time, thus it's totally inferiorYeah, you're dumb
>>106611000>everyone
>>106611000how is graph wank in any way useful? if you are using measurements to fix channel mismatch it literally will not matter if you are using raw or not.
chill out guys. lil bro needs his graph reading training wheels still lol
epz q1 pro's suck and i will never buy another iem. thanks for nothing retards
>>106611060I don't believe you
>>106611074tell me what to buy then
>>106611079budget? preference? (the real answer is just to EQ q1pro)
>>106610180when do these come out?
>>106611203expect lots of releases by 11.11/bfcm
>>106611213figured cause I already saw the listing for the Tanchjim Fola
>>106609729If you're EQing properly your result shouldn't look like any existing target. What's the point of compensating?
>>106611060>i will never buy another iemNo need. It's endgame.
which e-waste should I eq today?
>>106611760any 1DD or 1planarreal e-wastes like BA and EST pos, especially hybrids, are just bad - and also bad for EQing
>>106610180I already have etymodicks for reference, so bass for me
>>1066119501planar is also real e-waste.
>>106611542endgame for tinnitus
>>106610197A russian troon, thats what happened
>1 DD IEM sounds better than 3 DD + 1 Planar IEMis this an EQ issue or a quality issue?
>>106612499Whatever e-waste buyers tell themselves...
just snagged 2DD+5BA under $20
>>106612499Most likely a volume issue, definitely an EQ issue and unlikely a quality issue. But the bigger IEM will still lose due to comfort.
>>106612550All of them disconnected lol
>>106612677Seethe.
>>10661121311.11 is that black Friday?
>>106612808>>106612808>>106612808
