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please consider helping and respond in a well mannered wayh>>106684738
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>>106687394
Do you have the headers package installed?
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I BELIEVE IN THE RHEL AND SYSTEMD SUPREMACY
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>>106687659
Sadly systemd had a big bad hole in it, and who knows what else.
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is this a DE or steam problem? why is steam using 1.2gb of ram? I read that normally it sues 300 or 700mb of ram
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>>106688308
Unused Ram is wasted ram
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>>106687319
Let's assume Mate Terminal. It has a transparency slider, but it doesn't seem to have any affect.

So is Picom the key? Is that what FVWM uses? Would it work on WindowMaker?
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>>106688308
>buys 500 gazillibytes of rammy
NOO DONT USE ANY OF IT NO
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>>106688308
Electron
>but discord is also electron and only uses 400mb
Yeah idk.
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>>106687163
Why don't more phones support Linux distros? Do we have to basically re-code a distro to get it to work on ARM or what?
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>>106688482
Ram filled with bloat is wasted ram
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>>106688482
Brother. The point of RAM is to have it AVAILABLE if you need it, not to be filled to the brim at all times. Better to have and not need than need and not have.
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>>106688647
Drivers and bootloaders
You'll be lucky if your phone even supports custom android roms in the first place.
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>>106688524
It's been a while since I've used MATE so I don't remember exactly where this option is or if it still exists. Check system->preferences->look and feel->Mate Tweak then under what I believe the "Windows" section you can choose a window manager, pick one that has compositing. You may have to log out/restart to see the changes.
>Is that what FVWM uses? Would it work on WindowMaker?
FVWM doesn't have a compositor by default but you can use picom, it should work on WindowMaker as well.
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>>106688524
I used MATE somewhat recently and its terminal does have a transparency slider. I don't recall using picom though, but I'm not sure.
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>>106687431
literally tried from scratch installation after reformation of mint even. nothing
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>>106688947
So are you going to answer my question or what
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>>106688308
It's clearly downloading updates atm moment.
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>>106688959
didn't install anything besides xanmod
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>>106689092
Okay, so install the headers package.
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>>106688648
It isn't.
>>106688660
>1,2GB ram usage
>"Brim"
Maybe download more RAM? I have 32GB, and never use more than 6 on LMDE 7

>>106688647
Lack of interest and ecosystem. There's Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch and whatever. But they'll never gain any momentum.
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>>106689098
>headers package
enlighten me about it? is there a specific command for that?
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>>106689125
>I have 32GB, and never use more than 6 on LMDE 7
Why are you wasting so much ram? Make a ramdisk and fill it with /dev/random right now. That way it's not longer wasted
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on a previous home server setup i used split tunneling for running rtorrent over a vpn service but using the rest of the server on my normal home network. hard to set up and hard to troubleshoot.
i'm doing a new server build and I'm wondering if it would be easier to setup this using docker?
i've never used it. how's integration with other programs/running services, like flood (connecting to rtorrent via a socket), nginx and the *arrs?
what does running in a container really mean - i understand it's not like a VM?
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>>106689159
Show me where you are getting the Xanmod kernel package.
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>>106689171
from the website itself

wget -qO - https://dl.xanmod.org/archive.key | sudo gpg --dearmor -vo /etc/apt/keyrings/xanmod-archive-keyring.gpg

echo "deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/xanmod-archive-keyring.gpg] http://deb.xanmod.org $(lsb_release -sc) main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xanmod-release.list

sudo apt update && sudo apt install linux-xanmod-x64v3
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I'm playing an IPTV stream in Mpv (or VLC) but the stream is flaky and will disconnect randomly. I decided to workaround this with ffmpeg like this (thanks Copilot):
ffmpeg \
-reconnect 1 -reconnect_streamed 1 -reconnect_at_eof 1 \
-i <URL> \
-f mpegts -c copy pipe:1 | mpv -v --profile=stream --correct-pts=yes -


Is there no way avoid using Fffmpeg like this though and instead just have the video player ignore EOF and reconnect itself? The stream is otherwise flawless.
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>>106689207
It seems to be playing a bit better with:
mpv -v --profile=stream --correct-pts=no --container-fps-override=50 -
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>>106689271
Also adding a cache to delay the stream a bit helps mask the disconnect a little bit because mpv always has something in its buffer:
mpv -v --profile=stream --untimed --cache=yes --cache-secs=8 --correct-pts=no --container-fps-override=50 -


Ffmpeg and Mpv are great tools.
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>>106689207
Maybe with --loop-playlist force?
I use it with Streamlink to reconnect on streams that cut out (streamlink --player-continuous-http --player-args "--loop-playlist=force")
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>>106689698
Looks like they fixed the server. It's not cutting out now. lmao.

Streamlink was the first idea I had but it doesn't recognise the stream URL even though I can run ffprobe on it or VLC or Mpv with it, etc. I'm guessing streamlink doesn't have a way to proxy an arbitrary MPEG/HLS stream URL which is a shame.
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>>106689166
arrs has specific support for docker, so that's nice. I ran each arr service on a container, and two sonarr instances, which is annoying to do on a baremetal installation, with docker is a breeze.
running flood and rtorrent is very feasible, but you have to find specific docker images for it that are not on docker.io, configuration is VERY tricky if you try to DIY.

Anyway, I used for a long while, it works, when something breaks only a specific thing break and it's easy to track. Would recommend.

There's a bunch of different aspects to it though, if you have a specific question ask away.
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xbox series x or dualsense?
which is the better controller? I bought an 8bitdo pro 3 and it didn't even work in xinput mode so no analog trigger = trash.
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>>106689922
DualSense has official support from Sony (as in they literally wrote the kernel driver for it themselves) if you care about that. I have no idea how well it works though. I don't own any.
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>>106689922
I've had good luck with Sony's controllers. Also this is true >>106689948, the latest driver (including Dualsense) is official from Sony.
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>>106689948
>>106689953
ok. only downside I think of is stick drift. I know dualshocks would break after a few years too.
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>>106688308
Steam usually uses 1-1.2 GB RAM. It's a lot, but it's considered normal. It was under 1GB back before they updated their browser engine and UI.

>>106688647
ARM development is a mess. Each device needs it's own specific build, basically. There's very few "generic ARM" devices which would work with a generic ARM distro.
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what is this DE, what's this file picker, how can i use this
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>>106690635
might be cosmic, but it's beta, you use poopos or distro that ship it
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>>106687163
After I finish playing a game using WINE, I noticed that in my sound/applications dash that there are multiple sound instances of the .exe I was running. How do I clear them? Why does it happen? And is this the reason why I get sound effects, but no actual music when I play the game?
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>>106690696
i tried cosmic, it has the GTK file picker, the same one found in Mint Cinnamon, the one that i hate cause no thumbnails for images
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>>106690705
it's probably because cinnamon lag behind, gnome has thumbnail now, try at distrosea.com or a vm idk
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Fuck it's back.
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uhh...... wow
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.....very wow
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What taskbar/panel has something similar to Windows jump list? I want to pin files and folders to the app launcher and right click the launcher icon to access.
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>>106690635
That's Gnome, and its file manager Nautilus. It's used as a file picker by the system.
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>>106690700
>there are multiple sound instances of the .exe I was running
That happens sometimes, if you check on htop they're probably still there, kill them with pkill -f ".exe"; pkill -f wine, if it doesn't try again with pkill -9 but this could fuck up the prefix
>Why does it happen?
I have no idea, I remember San Andreas used to do this
>is this the reason why I get sound effects, but no actual music when I play the game
I highly doubt it, you're probably missing some codec, what game?
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>>106691182
>what game?
Elona
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>>106691196
I think it uses midi, this should fix it
WINEPREFIX=/path/to/prefix winetricks dinput directsound gmdls

If it still doesn't work look into fluidsynth
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>>106691182
>>106691196 (Me)
Also interestingly enough pkill -f ".exe" doesn't work
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>>106691269
I have to replace path/to/prefix with where my elona folder is stored correct?
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>>106687163
gnome was so classy. What happened?
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>>106691307
apple
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>>106691300
Not exactly, if the game dir is /home/cn/games/pfx/test-drive-unlimited/drive_c/Test Drive Unlimited the prefix is /home/cn/games/pfx/test-drive-unlimited/ but if you're using a launcher or steam it should let you use winetricks/protontricks from the GUI
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>>106691351
What if its in my downloads folder then? I'm currently watching a video about prefixes right now to figure it out. Also I found an article on it and you were right about everything but "directsound" What I needed was "directmusic", and I replaced "directsound" with "directmusic" and it downloaded with the /path/to/prefix unchanged but I still don't have music and I lost the footstep noise lol.
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>>106691370
How are you running it? Launcher or just wine game.exe?
>it downloaded with the /path/to/prefix unchanged
Don't do this, it will create a prefix where you don't want it
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>>106691351
I fixed it, turns out there was a guru smf4 convertor that fixed it.
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>>106691453
I'm just double clicking the .exe, all of my wine apps work that way, do you want me to whereis it for you?
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>>106691475
Oh then it's just using ~/.wine, WINEPREFIX=$HOME/.wine winetricks directmusic dinput gmdls should work
>>106691458
nice
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I thought picom was supposed to make this thing transparent like in the last OP
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>>106691475
Forgot to mention using a separate prefix would be a better approach since dmusic/dsound can fuck up the audio in other games, any launcher handles automatically
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>>106691518
You have to set it in the config file
https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/picom/picom.1.en#Syntax
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In my opinion, anyone who uses a distro fork that specifically doesn't use systemd like artix is a complete schizo.
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>>106691737
Hard to say that's the "right" move. I thought there would be something that would work with the terminal app's built-in transparency slider
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>>106688647
Phones have no standard platform like pc's do. They also have more peripherals without free drivers available
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>>106691953
there are sufficient reasons to use a distro that doenst use systemd, but if the only thing it brings to the table is "not systemd" then sure
artix people are just petulant children throwing a tantrum
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for me, its Ubuntu
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>>106691511
>>106691571
The sad thing is that the guru smf4 converter shits out at times and, in my opinion, emulates the music to the point where I consider it worse than the original. It "sounds" more realistic, but you can tell that the music was originally designed with very synthetic sounding instruments in mind, which means I have to go back to the drawing board and see how I can get the music to play.
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>>106692412
Are you retarded? Why did you censor your local ip? Nobody can do shit with it.
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>>106688996
>It's clearly downloading updates atm moment.
it's clearly not
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>>106690700
is the game quite old? it could be creating multiple connections to the windows sound system. these days games mix their own audio and send it all through a single OS connection.
>is this the reason why I get sound effects, but no actual music when I play the game?
if it's really old, it might be trying to play midi music. you'll need a midi synth for that
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>>106692537
same reason I censor my serial number if I post my gun on /k/
can anyone do anything with it? not really. but it is an identifying mark. Even if in this case the local IP only means anything to my local network
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I moved a Docker container to a Gentoo base and it went from over a gigabyte with Arch and ~600 MB with Debian to 56 MB

>Dockerfile.gentoo-base
FROM gentoo/stage3:musl

RUN sed -i 's/O2/O3 -march=x86-64-v3 -flto=auto/g' /etc/portage/make.conf
RUN printf 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="%s"\n' '~amd64 amd64' >> /etc/portage/make.conf
RUN printf 'GENTOO_MIRRORS="%s $GENTOO_MIRRORS"\n' 'https://cdn.example.org/gentoo' >> /etc/portage/make.conf
RUN printf 'USE="${USE} %s"\n' 'minimal verify-sig lto pgo' >> /etc/portage/make.conf
RUN mkdir -pv /etc/portage/patches/sys-apps/groff && wget -P /etc/portage/patches/sys-apps/groff https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/plain/main/groff/getopt-gcc15.patch
RUN emerge-webrsync && emerge -v1 sys-devel/binutils && binutils-config latest && . /etc/profile && emerge -v1 sys-devel/gcc && gcc-config latest && . /etc/profile && emerge -vuDN --tree --with-bdeps=y --buildpkg y --keep-going @world && emerge -e @system
RUN emerge dev-lang/go


>Dockerfile.gentoo-ytarchive
FROM local/stage3:musl AS build-env

WORKDIR /go/src/ytarchive
COPY *.go ./

RUN printf "%s\n" '*/* -cairo -glib -introspection -drm -fontconfig -python -readline -libass' > /etc/portage/package.use/zzz-autounmask
RUN emerge -v1 --buildpkg y media-video/ffmpeg

RUN printf 'INSTALL_MASK="%s"\n' "/usr/share/doc /usr/share/info /usr/share/gtk-doc /usr/share/man /usr/include /usr/lib/pkgconfig /usr/lib/cmake" >> /etc/portage/make.conf
RUN emerge -v1 --usepkg y --root-deps=rdeps --with-bdeps=n --root=/sysroot sys-libs/musl app-misc/ca-certificates
RUN emerge -v1 --usepkg y --root-deps=rdeps --with-bdeps=n --root=/sysroot media-video/ffmpeg

ENV GOPATH=/go
ENV PATH=$GOPATH/bin:$PATH
ENV GOTOOLCHAIN=local

RUN go mod init
RUN go get -d -v ./...
RUN go vet -v
RUN go test -v

RUN CGO_ENABLED=0 go build -o /sysroot/usr/bin/ytarchive
RUN [ -e /sysroot/lib ] || ln -sv /usr/lib /sysroot/lib

FROM scratch
COPY --from=build-env /sysroot/ /
ENTRYPOINT ["/usr/bin/ytarchive"]
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>>106692639
To the Nix tards I wonder what the Nix magic is to make a similarly small Docker container. This has no shell, no Python, no coreutils, only Musl libc, the app and ffmpeg and the runtime dependencies of ffmpeg (trimmed, not with all the fat Debian and Arch includes as part of the build):

$ ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg 
/lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 (0x7fd607c84000)
libavdevice.so.61 => /lib/libavdevice.so.61 (0x7fd607c18000)
libavfilter.so.10 => /lib/libavfilter.so.10 (0x7fd607600000)
libavformat.so.61 => /lib/libavformat.so.61 (0x7fd607200000)
libavcodec.so.61 => /lib/libavcodec.so.61 (0x7fd605c00000)
libpostproc.so.58 => /lib/libpostproc.so.58 (0x7fd607c03000)
libswresample.so.5 => /lib/libswresample.so.5 (0x7fd607be4000)
libswscale.so.8 => /lib/libswscale.so.8 (0x7fd607b41000)
libavutil.so.59 => /lib/libavutil.so.59 (0x7fd604a00000)
libc.so => /lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 (0x7fd607c84000)
libharfbuzz.so.0 => /lib/libharfbuzz.so.0 (0x7fd6074ab000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x7fd607a3c000)
libxml2.so.16 => /lib/libxml2.so.16 (0x7fd607096000)
libbz2.so.1 => /lib/libbz2.so.1 (0x7fd60707c000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x7fd60705c000)
libgnutls.so.30 => /lib/libgnutls.so.30 (0x7fd604600000)
libdav1d.so.7 => /lib/libdav1d.so.7 (0x7fd604200000)
libgraphite2.so.3 => /lib/libgraphite2.so.3 (0x7fd605bd2000)
libpng16.so.16 => /lib/libpng16.so.16 (0x7fd605b82000)
libidn2.so.0 => /lib/libidn2.so.0 (0x7fd607039000)
libunistring.so.5 => /lib/libunistring.so.5 (0x7fd604007000)
libtasn1.so.6 => /lib/libtasn1.so.6 (0x7fd605b67000)
libhogweed.so.6 => /lib/libhogweed.so.6 (0x7fd605b18000)
libnettle.so.8 => /lib/libnettle.so.8 (0x7fd6049a7000)
libgmp.so.10 => /lib/libgmp.so.10 (0x7fd6048df000)
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>>106692610
>it is an identifying mark
>posts his firearms on /k/, most likely with a phone camera
>posts his user agent & hardware specs on /g/
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>>106692610
A private IP address is not really identifying. It's completely internal and in the case of a normal LAN with DHCP and no static addressing it's completely ephemeral. Let's say somebody somehow managed to break into your private residence and join your LAN, well by that time the DHCP lease might as well have expired and your laptop got a completely brand new ephemeral address anyway.
(Although if they manage to do that then you've got bigger problems anyway)
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hold the fucking phone, when did GNOME become nagware???
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>>106693432
People donate to Mint 20,000 dollars every month on their own, no ads required, KrashDE and gNOme need to nag.
Really makes you think, huh?
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>>106693523
Linux Mint is a significantly smaller project. They're just piggybacking off Ubuntu and making small adjustments.
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I'm new to Linux Mint and how do I install apps like Bottles from the Software Manager to another drive?
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>>106693681
https://search.brave.com/search?q=flatpak installing to a different drive&summary=1

Do whatever the AI tells you to
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>>106690174
>Each device needs it's own specific build, basically.
>>106692041
>Phones have no standard platform like pc's do.
That was the case but at least since 2012 all ARM CPUs support device trees.Apparently it was Linux bootloaders that could not handle a device tree that was passed by the device firmware.
Proprietary drivers are still an issue though.
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>>106687163
I miss when subpixel rendering was patented and Linux gui toolkits had to use different font rendering techniques.
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>>106688308
Steam is now using above 1 GiB of RAM across all systems
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How is hasvk on Braswell?
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tint2 crashing when a notification icon disappears (i.e. closing a program that uses one) has been annoying me for a while on gentoo, so i finally decided to look for a fix. since it took a bit of research to find one, i thought i'd drop a copy of what i found here
https://0x0.st/KmtX.patch

speaking of patches, anyone else have any neat patches they use? doesn't have to be fixes.

oh, i also have;
https://0x0.st/Kmt8.patch
which is a patch to make libg15render build properly as well. i made this one myself, it's likely too obscure for anyone else to need but while i'm posting about it...
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Hello why ppl said that linux is faster than win10 in gaming? Linux mint is 20% slower than win10 and in have i7 7700k and rtx2080s
Also why didnt you yet give me an answer about xanmod's problem? Why does it lock me to 800x600 reduced screen without any graphical functions. Drivers get fucked after installing that xanmod bullshit.
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>>106694240
you bought a graphics card with no drivers
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>>106694240
>why ppl said that linux is faster than win10 in gaming?
sometimes it is, it depends on the game though. i'm not sure if it's faster on average, but at the very least you shouldn't expect it to be faster with every game, or every distro or hardware combination for that matter
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>>106694244
There are drivers for it. Xanmod is just shit and you have no clue what is xanmod and its shit and i have no idea why i need it
I just want my linux os to perfom better than win10
Im using mint
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>>106694240
>>106694385
Mint is outdated as fuck. If you want performance, use something like CachyOS or Bazzite.
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>>106694442
Or even Debian 13, kek.
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>>106694442
Doing the Lord's work of keeping noobs out of GNU/Linux by recommending unstable junk
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>>106694442
Ubuntu Mint has HWE kernel and gets backported Nvidia drivers. Currently it's on 6.14 and Mesa 25.07
Hardly outdated.
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>>106694453
Ok then, just Bazzite. It's more stable than Debian/Ubuntu/Mint.
>>106694442 >>106694385

>>106694473
>Linux 6.14
That's slightly outdated.
>Mesa 25.0.7
That's multiple versions out of date.
Backporting, aside from security fixes, is always a meme anyways.
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>>106694509
>>106694509

>Ok then, just Bazzite. It's more stable than Debian/Ubuntu/Mint.
It's not a stable distro, one that enterprise software can and does build against. The term you're looking for to describe Bazzite is "easy to use".

>>Linux 6.14
>That's slightly outdated.
>>Mesa 25.0.7
>That's multiple versions out of date.
>Backporting, aside from security fixes, is always a meme anyways.
No, it isn't. You have no knowledge of enterprise level stability, thorough testing and security standards compliance.
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>>106694625
Normal people don't give a fuck about the enterprise definition of stability. What "stable" means to normal people is "it has few to no bugs and doesn't randomly break under normal use".
Just because Debain and Mint don't change for 2 years, doesn't mean they're bug-free (which is more important) and doesn't mean they don't break under normal use (which is more important). To an average person, Bazzite is more usable than Mint and especially Debian.

If an average person gave a fuck about abi stability, they wouldn't use Chrome/Firefox and would use Firefox ESR. Or they'd use Windows 10 LTSC instead of regular Windows 10/11 holding 99% of the Windows market share. Or they'd use iPhones and Android devices which are permanently stuck without system and app updates.

Tricking people into using outdated/LTS systems on their primary devices, desktops, laptops, etc. is not only retarded, it's extremely malicious.
These systems and release schedules are primarily for servers, IoT, and POS devices.
They *would* be fine if Linux distros didn't insist in shipping their own compiled binaries over universal formats like Appimage and Flatpak. But we live in the reality of FOSS maintainers being incompetent and loving work duplication, so the desktop experience most Linux distros provide is just dogshit.
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I need to migrate a laptop of a relative of my to linux soon, due to win10 losing support.

The thing is that they need some of their documents from their existing win10 install. Is there a better way to move those files except plainly putting them on an usb drive and then moving them onto the new linux installation?

Mainly just afraid that the usb will shit the bed. I know I can get those files back using data recovery software, but still.
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>>106692650
This guy has a bunch of absolutely minimal docker containers
https://github.com/11notes?tab=repositories
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>>106694952
https://github.com/11notes/RTFM/blob/main/linux/container/image/distroless.md

more details
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>>106694901
You could upload them to a cloud service in a big passworded archive? You could use an external HDD instead of a USB to have more space.
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>>106694901
Shrink volume using disk manager to create unallocated space, format unallocated space as ext4 from bootable linux installer and copy/paste the files you want to save to it. Then delete all other existing partitions and install the distro to the unallocated space that is created from deleting those partitions. Then reboot, copy/paste the files over to the home directory. Then boot to the bootable installer, open gparted, delete the partition and extend the OS volume, save, reboot.
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>>106692639
Have you tried seeing what size you get with alpine?
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>>106694741
>>106694741
>Normal people don't give a fuck about the enterprise definition of stability. What "stable" means to normal people is "it has few to no bugs and doesn't randomly break under normal use".
Which is exactly what happens with stable, long term supported distros, yes.
>Just because Debain and Mint don't change for 2 years, doesn't mean they're bug-free (which is more important) and doesn't mean they don't break under normal use (which is more important).
Which also is the case with stable, long term support distros, yes.

>To an average person, Bazzite is more usable than Mint and especially Debian.
[citation needed]
>If an average person gave a fuck about abi stability, they wouldn't use Chrome/Firefox and would use Firefox ESR. Or they'd use Windows 10 LTSC instead of regular Windows 10/11 holding 99% of the Windows market share. Or they'd use iPhones and Android devices which are permanently stuck without system and app updates.
Even secure government phones get updates, after adequate testing and certification.
>Tricking people into using outdated/LTS systems on their primary devices, desktops, laptops, etc. is not only retarded, it's extremely malicious.
>Malicious
How is having stable, vetted and secure software malicious?
>These systems and release schedules are primarily for servers, IoT, and POS devices.
And form the base for stable consumer distros like Mint, MX Linux, Debian desktop etc
>They *would* be fine if Linux distros didn't insist in shipping their own compiled binaries over universal formats like Appimage and Flatpak. But we live in the reality of FOSS maintainers being incompetent and loving work duplication, so the desktop experience most Linux distros provide is just dogshit.
Wrong. Flathub at it's current state is a bad copy of phone app stores. Same with appimages. There is no verifiable chain of trust.
Until there's an universal solution to this, proper distros will always have the upper hand.
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>>106694453
The anti-mint schizo is tech illiterate
>>106694509
>small hobby meme project is more stable than major project or other major project with corporate backing or large hobby project
Take your meds.
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>>106694300
Yeah i played motorslice demo on mint and the performance was terrible compared to soon to be obselete win10
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>>106694901
I probably would use USB drives, perhaps 2 new, known brand ones. USB drives are not any less reliable than any other media for your use case.

Let the relative keep them in a draw somewhere once done.
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>>106695125
>>106695152
>[citation needed]
>Take your meds.
Please compare the system upgrade process of Debian and Bazzite. Bazzite is "click one button and everything just works", exactly like Android and iOS. Meanwhile Mint, Ubuntu and especially Debian, are often much more involved.
I'm really fucking sad to disappoint you, but they are not user friendly distributions in any way.
>>106695125
>everything else
Completely irrelevant to an average user.
>>106695152
You default to ad hominems because you know I'm right.
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>>106695620
You're a fucking tech illiterate retard who didnt even know about ext4 reserving 5% space by default.
The system upgrade process of both mint and ubuntu also just need you to press a button. But you obviously wouldnt know about this because you're a tech illiterate retard who makes up shit about distros you've never used.
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>>106691953

dear frog have you looked antix site gigachad he looks like lives with one glass of red wine and some chip of cheese a day
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anyone checked out the latest reddit distro
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>>106693866

when was that moto used red blue/black subpixel rendering 2006-2011 rip pebble
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>>106695770

not quite mint system upgrade bios flash features are blocked download on isp level
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Hey /fgit/, I'm building an all AMD PC and was wondering what the consensus was on Linux Desktop Environments. I'd like HDR support, so Wayland may apparently be necessary, and also want a good gaming experience. What would be the best Desktop Environment / Window Manager for my needs? Or does it even matter?
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>>106695770
You're the one who's retarded since you don't understand what an anonymous image board is. You're constantly accusing 5 different people of being "the anti-mint shill". Take meds.
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>>106695840
fwupdmgr works fine for me
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>>106695886
KDE Plasma is what you should use.
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>>106695803
>Arch
>Hyprland
Autistic trash/10
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>>106695770
>The system upgrade process of both mint and ubuntu also just need you to press a button
unless you add a ppa, which many people do and are told to do

>>106695886
kde plasma is the only good one
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>>106695620
>Much more involved
Uhm... No?!
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>>106695941
Ppas haven't been a thing since 2018. Stop living in the past, grandpa.
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>>106695803
This is made for nobody. If you want a "muh dev distro" Bluefin is better. Or, like most people, you could just use Ubuntu which is basically the standard distro for developers.
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>>106695892
What a coincidence that there's five different tech illiterate schizos who all have the same posting style and repeat the same thing every thread about mint being outdated while shilling their meme distro bazzite
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>>106695927
>>106695941
Thanks, will do.
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>>106696002
Hack 4chan and get the IP logs then.
What I'm reading here is that you're basically admitting that you need to be tech literate to use Mint, while Bazzite has no such requirement? Which is exactly what I'm saying is good about the distro since a complete brainlet can use it and it doesn't require users to rtfm or have any troubleshooting skills.
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>>106691518
btw you can go to neofetch config and delete Host,GPU and you get rid of that VBOX stuff or you can even fake them.
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>>106696040
>you're basically admitting that you need to be tech literate to use Mint, while Bazzite has no such requirement?
Insane levels of gaslighting
I'm admitting that you're a fucking tech illiterate retard who doesn't know basic shit like ext4 reserving 5% of disk space by default when formatted therefore your opinion and any advice you give has zero value.
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>>106691083
you can just use a file manager as a file picker?! then why the fuck does KDE use some gimped piece of shit "KFilePicker" which doesn't load some thumbnails randomly and has no search and no context menu options that Dolphin has!
also, what happened to GTK file picker?

guess i gotta try gnome now
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>>106696071
File pickers are decided by xdg-desktop-portals
xdg-desktop-portal-gnome uses nautilus for its file picker while xdg-desktop-portal-kde uses whatever kde filepicker it wants to use. And the standard xdg-desktop-portal-gtk uses that really terrible gtk one
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>>106696102
yes yes i learned all about those portals on this miserable odyssey for a sensible file picker
thanks for the info, i will try the ganome
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>>106696065
And I'm telling you that I've never been in any discussions related to ext4 or any other file systems.
>any advice you give has zero value
Sure, buddy. Your opinions and post have no value here because you're clearly convinced that you're always talking to the same person. Please go back to any website which uses usernames, like reddit. It's not always just one person shitting on Mint, nor praising Bazzite, nor doing both.
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>>106696119
You could try installing nautilus and xdg-desktop-portal-gnome ontop of kde and using it as the default file picker instead of switching to gnome
Not sure how many dependencies it will pull in or how much weird breakage might happen
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Desktop_Portal
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>>106694625
90% of problems on proton are reported by mint trannies with their outdated drivers
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>>106690705
No, cosmic uses cosmic-files' native file chooser dialog, as spawned by xdg-desktop-portal-cosmic. Maybe your application doesn't use xdg portal dialogs, or you are on a system misconfigured to use portal-gtk over portal-cosmic.
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>>106696131
>>And I'm telling you that I've never been in any discussions related to ext4 or any other file systems.
You must've also never been in any discussions about Mint and Ubuntu not having a one click button to do updates
You're a terrible liar.
>It's not always just one person shitting on Mint, nor praising Bazzite, nor doing both.
Just a coincidence that its always the same posts and posting style.
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>>106696374
>Just a coincidence that its always the same posts and posting style.
Please assemble a list of "anti-Mint shill" posts from the previous 50 threads and I'll circle the ones that are me if that will help out ease your schizophrenia.
Also, I'm not "anti-Mint" by any means. I'm just saying it's an inferior experience compared to several other distributions.
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>>106696065
ext4 has been useless for so long I can understand someone being otherwise competent and not knowing about this. Boomer lore.
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I'm running xfce mint 24 and my memory usage is around 1.1gb doing nothing
Is there anyway I can reduce that?
I remember running mint xfce at 8-900mb
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>>106694240
20% slower is par for the course for Nvidia drivers on Linux
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>>106696574
Check your task manager to see what's taking up your memory.
If you've upgraded your RAM or got a new computer with more RAM, it could be that your system is caching more stuff to load faster. A small bump in RAM usage could also be the fact that Xfce moved to gtk3 starting with 4.14, if you're comparing it to how it was back in 4.12. From what I've heard it did slightly increase RAM consumption, but I can't 100% confirm.
In any case, Xfce systems are typically usable on devices with 512MB RAM. So it's probably Ubuntu or Mint that are pre-caching some software or have more/different background services compared to before.
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is void meme?
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>>106696808
anything that's not in the top 15 most used distros is a meme
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best music player for Linux? I don't dig the Elisa thing that comes with KDE.
Forgot captcha. I just downloaded the first thing from the app store and I get this shit. My songs are numbered why doesn't it sort them accordingly. Can't change sorting either. garbage.
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Hello genuine question here: is there a point in using Linux if your only use case is gaming? I ask this because of the drawbacks that I'd have to just accept in return for increased freedom. Namely, increased bandwidth and disk read/write for shaders handled by steam. I noticed Steam is constantly doing that even for the same game and multiple times a day. Now, I know this is more of a Steam problem than a Linux problem but the only reason Steam is acting like that it's because it's running on Linux. What's your stance on the matter?
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>>106696778
I see
Just installed Mint on a thinkpad
Highest consumption is xorg and nm-applet kek
out of luck
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>>106697085
It depends on your situation. AMD drivers are considerably faster than Windows. Old games often run better than on real Windows. Especially if it's actual period software instead of hacked up GOG releases.
>shader caching
Just pushing something that normally happens in the background to the foreground to minimize hitching. All GPU drivers do some amount of shader caching. In terms of write traffic gaming PC storage it's rounding error.
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>>106697055
It sorts them correctly on my machine
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>>106697085
Imma be honest dawg. getting windows iot from massgrave is more hassle free if you really don't care about anything but gaming.
Linux has some nice advantages too for example I don't have to install any external apps to show my gpu and ram usage in my taskbar via bar graphs on my second monitor., set custom keyboard shortcuts etc. Overall everything is much more customizable and I couldn't go back.
You will however:
>not have every game run perfectly
>not have every setting available with the same performance (ray tracing, path tracing etc)
>have a harder time overclocking
>have a smaller pool of resources to troubleshoot things
you can get around most issues (vai wine etc.) but it takes some effort
https://youtu.be/X7BYdphcpF8
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>>106697085
You can disable the feature of Steam downloading pre-made shaders for you if you want. But then shaders will be compiled for you during the gameplay, which will cause stutters each time you encounter a new game object.
The biggest advantage of a gaming Linux device is the fact that you're avoiding the fuckton of drawbacks that Windows has.
I mean, you don't see people running Windows ARM gaming devices, they're all pre-loaded with either Linux or Android. And Linux is always praised for being the most efficient gaming OS for this usecase (emulating consoles and even running PC games using PortMaster).

I would never use a Windows gaming device unless I'm specifically looking to play games with kernel level anti-cheat. Which is something people normally grow out of during or after college.
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Fitgirls repack via Lutris WineGE keep giving me this..
Right click on setup.exe run with Wine (latest from ARCH) doesnt give ETA.. Like never starting..
I used to be able to install these in the past and I dont know what to do anymore but ask help here
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>>106697251
fitgirl stuff is hit or miss on linux, I've never had an issue with dodi
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>>106697251
you have to make wine fake windows XP and limit the installer ram and some other crap... There is a reddit guide I think.
I've had good experiences with installing fitgirl stuff from my dual booted windows on a shared ntfs drive, then play it through proton on Linux (adding to Heroic or Lutris)
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>>106697330
Its a good option, but I don't have Windows anymore..

I installed Split Fictioni n the past and Silent Hill F and they worked like a chamr.
I might need to look into this dodi. Can you point me to the right domain? Would liek to avoid scams
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>>106697356
https://dodi-repacks.site/silent-hill-f/
Damn if its this why not fucking put a magnet link instead of 3 cancer uploads for a .torrent file
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>>106697356
I think is the current one is dodi-repacks site
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>>106697330
>>106697356
instead of dual booting, can't he just
>install a windows VM in virt-manager
>install the fitgirl repack there
>transfer the installed folder back to Linux and just place it inside the wine prefix
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>>106697376
Also a viable option I hadn't thought about. Let's see how dodi works though
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>>106687163
Just experienced a fucking bsod on Linux for the first time ever. I didn't even know this was a thing.
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>>106697369
>>106697374
Out of desperation I was trying Lutris with ProtonExperimental as Runner.
Maybe it's working now
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>>106697402
make sure to leave it running even if it looks stuck. Like a couple hours. It can also absolutely get stuck and fail though and not notify you in any way...
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>>106697488
ProtonExperimental via Lutris worked
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any idea how to optimize linux mint for i7 7700k and rtx2080s so i can gayme?
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>>106687163
Does it really matter if the graphics card is an Nvidia or AMD card these days?
Or does it still matter and by how much?
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>>106697621
Personally I have an Nvidia 4070super and it works fine.
I don't think it really matters that much, but Nvidia 5000 series is AI shit so I would go for AMD if I had to buy a new one
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>>106697644
Alright thanks.
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>>106697621
AMD is better on Linux and you get better value for your money, while Nvidia is better on Glowdows and is the most powerful, so it really just depends on your usecase. More power -> more glowies, less power -> no glowies.
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>>106697621
AMD is literally plug-and-play. You never have to worry about manually installing drivers or anything. The only difference is which distro you pick. Anything Debian-based will not update the mesa stack or the kernel as fast as distros which are Arch or even Fedora-based. So, on Debian-based distros most of the time you'll be months or over a year behind in driver improvements (unless you manually install the latest kernel/mesa).
As for nVidia, people are often reporting issues with wayland, proton, overall performance, or sometimes major regressions in newer driver versions. But it's really hit or miss and depends on the GPU generation. I haven't followed nVidia in a while, but historically the raw performance (in benchmarks) with nVidia's official drivers was usually on par with Windows. The problem is nVidia has a ton of Windows-exclusive features and optimizations for specific games, so in-game benchmarks and real life performance are generally better on Windows (especially if you're running the game with Wine/Proton).

I would still always pick AMD (or even Intel) over nVidia just to avoid the risk of using something that'll be 10%-30% less performant or less stable. Not to mention AMD is generally cheaper when it comes to performance/$, at least in my area.
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Why does Linux need package maintainers? Why can't it just be self contained binaries distributed by upstream devs?
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>>106697791
>Why does Linux need package maintainers?
it doesn't need them and even Linus considers them a huge bottleneck when it comes to usability and linux desktop adoption. a lot of users and developers also agree considering how popular flatpak and appimage are. there's even devs/projects (obs, duckstation, etc.) that explicitly told distributions not to package their software and that the user should get these directly from source.
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>>106697791
Usually distros have better build systems and can discover bugs during compilation that wouldnt be found by upstream
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>>106697880
>bugs during compilation that wouldnt be found by upstream
these are exclusively caused by the distros themselves. if a developer provides an appimage or a flatpak, the distro should just ship that to the user rather than creating a non-standard build of the program
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>>106697791
Because linux uses a dynamic linking model where many libraries are shared. This has a few advantages, main one being that libraries are kept up to date by the system and if a dev doesn't update his software for two years the core libc or whatever the program uses will still be up to date. This is especially important for security-critical stuff, such as the TLS library for example. The responsibility with keeping those libraries is with the distro maintainers, for whom it's their entire job, rather than with hundreds or thousands of random devs who wrote the various software and may or may not be putting any effort into it anymore.
The downsides are potential compatibility problems, and also the requirements for the infrastructure to maintain all of this.

The self contained binaries model is basically what Windows uses, and as a result you can have a completely up to date system that's completely insecure because some GPU usage monitoring utility or desktop weather widget or whatever has a three year old networking library for its auto-update checking (which, lacking central package managers, programs have to handle by themselves), which has known and published RCE vulns publicly available for years, and you get hit by some chinese botnet that's mass-spamming ancient CVE exploits.

Assuming binary size doesn't matter (given that storage is cheap), the best solution is probably some middle ground where critical components are shipped with the system and non-networked stuff is bundled by the dev, and where updates are handled by a central system but one where devs simply submit their new version and it gets distributed (basically just to avoid every single piece of software having to include its own independent update checker).
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>>106697909
>Because linux uses a dynamic linking model where many libraries are shared
>The self contained binaries model is basically what Windows uses,
Both of these assertions are wrong and you are talking about shit you only have superficial knowledge of and don't actually understand. How's the view from Mount Stupid?
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>>106697878
>>106697897
What about core system software like systemd, bash, coreutils, etc.? Would it be realistic for upstream devs to distribute that also?
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>>106697909
A lot of Linux software is distributed in a way where static libraries are shipped and system ones are ignored.
A lot of Windows software uses shared system libraries. Maybe even most of it.
And probably most proprietary software bundles libraries within the distributed binaries or directories. Or even just copies code directly off of open source projects and never updates or contributes back.
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>>106697791
Because every distro is its own operating system with a different user ABI, and there's no universal agreement on core facilities like the service manager or MAC system. Even filesystem hierarchy is somewhat negotiable. Good distros with packagers who are program experts can save you from the worst ravages of dev troonouts as well.
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>>106697897
>these are exclusively caused by the distros themselves.
Not really
It would be like saying that compiling a program on bsd or linux is the fault of the OS for not being windows
>flatpak
You know those flatpaks are created using the flathub build system , right? And 99% of the time that flatpak is not provided by the developer.
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>>106697953
I don't know whats funnier, you being wrong about being wrong or you defending windows.
Not even the anon you're replying to.
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>>106697791
There is no stable ABI in user-space. You could build a distro entirely out of statically linked binaries which you got off of some random person's GitHub but that doesn't scale very well, not to mention the security implications (at least in theory package maintainers do some minor auditing).
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>>106697983
Most projects written in rust or go will have upstream binaries provided by the devs for almost every combination of os and arch possible along with both musl and glibc for linux
Not sure how much better they would be than the ones the distros build themselves but those usually require you to manually update them by redownloading the newer version.
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>>106697897
No, they are bugs upstream pure and simple. If a distro changes their C compiler to GCC 15 and that exposes bits of broken code because the compiler got more strict about highlighting certain errors then that is your fault and you should fix it. The distro found the issue but it's still your code that's at fault.
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>>106698311
>99% of the time that flatpak is not provided by the developer
First of all, you made up a statistic. Also, that's still better than 100% of the time a package in a distro repo not being provided by the developer.
>It would be like saying that compiling a program on bsd or linux is the fault of the OS for not being windows
If the program is written exclusively for windows, then yes.

>>106698368
No? The program is written for the old compiler. In this case the distro decided to update a critical dependency and made itself incompatible with the software it's trying to distribute. It's 100% the distro at fault here.
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>>106698322
I didn't defend windows, and you are a retard just like him.
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>>106698419
>100% of the time a package in a distro repo not being provided by the developer.
Not even true, it's not that rare for a dev to maintain their own distro packages

>No? The program is written for the old compiler. In this case the distro decided to update a critical dependency and made itself incompatible
To be fair, compilers are special in that they're implementations of a standard. If you're depending on linking to a specific library, then the distro not updating it is reasonable to expect. But if you're writing code in some language, say C++, and the compiler you use has a bug and you exploit that bug, the result is your code is now not actually compliant C++. And that is in fact your fault.
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>>106697644
>Nvidia 5000 series is AI shit
Not really, it's pretty much the same as 4000 series
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>>106698467
>the compiler you use has a bug and you exploit that bug, the result is your code is now not actually compliant C++
Sure, but how often does this even happen?

Also, it's still not relevant assuming the buggy/old compiler has produced a working binary. In this case you as a distro maintainer are still in the wrong. You've made your build system incapable of building a project the way it's (currently) designed to build. It's on you to either build the project in a way that's officially supported (by using a proper compiler version and packaging correct libraries), or just don't package it at all.
The third solution is you maintaining your own fork of the software, in which case you should explicitly warn users that you're distributing an unofficial and modified version. Otherwise you risk (and this happens a lot) users reporting non-existent bugs to the original project.
The argument of "but the code was incorrect and the compiler didn't catch it" doesn't matter in the real world. If the distro is experiencing this issue often with a certain package, then the correct choice is to fork and rebrand the package or abandon it completely.

>it's not that rare for a dev to maintain their own distro packages
Usually they're not maintaining packages in the repos. They're just shipping their own .deb/.rpm file and/or have their own repository.
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>>106695121
Alpine is 150 MB that's a bit more competitive.
>>106694952
I know about distroless containers. I like Google's Distroless project which is nice:
https://github.com/GoogleContainerTools/distroless

It doesn't play too well when you have dependencies (like for example, ffmpeg) though. I mostly did this as an experiment but I think building a minimal sysroot like this with distro tooling can be a good middle-ground to an entirely static container.

Pros:
>Distfiles are verified properly with checksums and cryptographic signatures (verify-sig), which people might forget to do when writing their own scripts
>Builds everything from source with "meme" compiler flags (if "-O3 -march=x86-64-v3 -flto=auto -pipe" can even be considered as such, it's not that exotic)
>Include only what you want and need
>Driven by a package manager like emerge so dependencies are resolved properly (no need to parse this yourself with find+ldd, etc)
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how do i rice debian
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>>106698419
>First of all, you made up a statistic.
Find the real statistic then
>Also, that's still better than 100% of the time a package in a distro repo not being provided by the developer.
It really doesnt matter
>No? The program is written for the old compiler. In this case the distro decided to update a critical dependency and made itself incompatible with the software it's trying to distribute. It's 100% the distro at fault here.
The distro must also be at fault for not being windows and windows must be at fault for being windows 11 instead of windows 7
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>>106698467
>it's not that rare for a dev to maintain their own distro packages
I know that the debian i3 package is maintained by the upstream dev
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>>106697395
Thats a recent systemd feature
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>>106698573
>Sure, but how often does this even happen?
It happens more often than you think to the point that GCC releases porting guides for software developers:
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-15/porting_to.html

The C and C++ standards are not that strict so you can do a lot of stupid stuff. It's down to the compilers like GCC and Clang to fix that stupid mess and point out obvious bugs and issues in code to try to enforce some strictness and correctness.
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>>106698632
It's the Linux kernel actually:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.12-DRM-Panic-QR-Code
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>>106698573
I mean, practically yes, an action the distro took resulted in the package failing to compile.
But it's still a bug in the package (that the distro now found).
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>>106698657
Too bad so many crashes kill the display so everything just freezes instead.
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>>106698657
Oh i thought the kernel just made the api/abi for it and systemd was the one doing the bsod
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>>106698680
When your SSD completely disappears off of the bus (thanks, Samsung. Hasn't happened since after the firmware update it got recently though, fingers crossed) is a fun one. Display keeps working but you can't do anything. My Plasma Clock keeps ticking along forever more but you can't do anything because the SSD is just gone.
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>>106697791
It doesn't, it's mostly a historical thing (open source wasn't distributed in compiled form) that got kept around for security. Nothing stops developers from distributing binaries, and many do.
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Is there any new ways to install adobe photoshop through wine or proton? virtual machines are lame and I don't really want to use old CC version.
I am talking about cracked version ofc, not gonna pay for this shit
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Any VPN that does split tunneling on launch for Linux applications?
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>>106698802
You can use network namespaces for that.
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>>106698802
Schau dir mal RethinkDNS an.
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I installed the Ubuntu 25.10 beta and I will say, gnome 49 is very smooth. I think stock gnome is one, if not the, worst DE on the market but the spin canonical uses is very nice. I add an extension to hide the top bar on full screen but otherwise I don’t change anything. It has an app tray and the window buttons, useless features according to gnomes resident lolcow. Unsurprisingly the version of fuse in the beta isn’t compatible with flatpak unless you run it in sudo. Is it a problem? No. Is it annoying? A little. I know people were saying the rust core utils are causing all sorts of performance issues but I didn’t encounter any when I was using it.

The big thing for me is they finally fixed gamescope, shits been broken on gnome 48 for a long time now. I strongly dislike gnomes philosophy of removing every feature, but it’s impossible to deny the workflow on gnome is very nice. Switching between tasks is so easy and the interface is a lot smoother than KDE. Doesnt change the fact KDE has far more user options despite the smaller codebase but I think gnomes fluidity is hard to beat.
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>>106698667
Yes, and the bug effectively boils down to "your code is shit". Which can be said about 99% of projects out there. But imperfect code does not automatically require refactoring if the project builds just fine with the intended build tools. Even if the resulting binary has bugs, it's still a non-issue. If you waited for all the bugs to be found and fixed in every single project, none of the software you use would exist at all.
If a distro has an issue with all this and wants to deny reality and live in a perfectionist fantasy, then the solution is as simple as I've described. Either fork it and rebrand it, or stop packaging it.
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>>106698944
>The big thing for me is they finally fixed gamescope, shits been broken on gnome 48 for a long time now
You know you could have gotten that "fix" sooner by switching to any other newer distribution, right?
I think you just described the Ubuntu experience perfectly. What works well, works really well, but when shit is broken it will just stay that way until it gets updated in the next release.
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>>106698971
>If a distro has an issue with all this and wants to deny reality and live in a perfectionist fantasy, then the solution is as simple as I've described. Either fork it and rebrand it, or stop packaging it.
Distros prefer to work with upstreams and explain the problem to them so that they understand it, and potentially even offer up a fix for them to use. Your distros package maintainer is your best friend not your enemy.
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>>106698799
No. Your only option is virtual machines. If you want it to somewhat look and behave like a native application then set up the VM using WinBoat or WinApps.

>>106698676
>caring about UI consistency
Do you sperg out because pretty much no other website uses Yotsuba or whatever 4chan theme you're on?
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>>106698972
So the issue was specifically gnome 48, cachyos had the same issue too. Every other Ubuntu flavor didn’t though. This is a case where it would have been nice if Ubuntu released a patch but I think they either just weren’t aware of the issue since Ubuntu isn’t really the gamer os, or they couldn’t for whatever reason.
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>>106698676
This is the future CSD fags want
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>>106698999
Just upstream GNOME breaking things then, I guess. Most gamers use KDE I think.
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>>106698676
I really didn't realize how much space those shits took before Linux
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>>106699041
At least there is a solution:
https://wayland.app/protocols/xdg-decoration-unstable-v1
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>>106699024
Happens all the time, I still remember Ubuntu 18.04 being a broken mess.

>>106699091
I will never understand why Ubuntu abandoned mir, there was nothing wrong with as far as I could tell and compared to how much of a shitshow Wayland has been I’m sure it would have taken over a huge part of the community.
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>>106699145
They abandoned it because the community said 'No! You are not doing that!':
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/

Nowadays, they are still working on Mir but it is a Wayland toolkit of sorts for building a Wayland compositor out of.
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>>106698971
>no the bugs are not in the packages!
>well yes ok the bugs are in the packages but it's fine
>actually even if the package compiles and it has bugs it's also fine
Nigger nobody said packages are required to be flawless and bug-free. The original argument was "packagers find bugs in the upstream software" and you tried to claim that they never do, it's always distros causing bugs.

So no, it's not "only distros causing bugs", it's often distros uncovering or finding bugs which are indeed in the upstream program. And software is not required to be bug-free, but that doesn't mean that it's bad to find bugs.
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>Thinkpad L13 G5 Intel on sale
>Debian 13 (like my other two laptops which are AMD)
>Scrolling through webpages and PDFs is kinda slow
>i915, MESA, OpenGL, Vulkan seem to work fine, can play games just fine
>intel_gpu_top shows boost to 1850 MHz like it should and full 3D usage when loading web pages
>still this should not be so choppy. It's like sub 30fps most of the time.
What do?
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>>106699717
You can try using firefox from flatpak to rule out if the issue is the firefox esr provided by debian or not but i think the issue is that you're missing the non-free package intel-media-va-driver-non-free for hardware decoding
There's also this from the debian wiki
https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Hardware_Video_Acceleration
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>>106699841
Nah Firefox ESR is slow too.
I said goodbye to VA-API on Intel anyways, the driver seems a mess. It's also not only in the browser but in Evince too.
Idk I guess the AMD drivers are in a much better state or the 4 core Xe GPU is really that slow.
I just don't want to wipe and install windows to see if it works over there
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>>106699394
The original claim was:
>distro maintainers find bugs in compilation
I originally misinterpreted this as "the package has a compilation bug" rather than "there's a bug which wasn't caught by the older compiler, but is caught by the new one". So, yes, my bad here.

But, my responses to this are still:
>The pacakge builds just fine with the intended build tools.
>Distro maintainers are using unsupported build tools for this package.
>Yes, there's likely a bug in the code/package.
>But, this should NOT affect software packaging because the binary can still be built with the intended build tools.
>Distro maintainers should use correct build tools and just accept packaging buggy software. If this is unacceptable, they should make an official fork rather than applying unofficial patches and building packages with invalid build tools and thus risking runtime breakage.
>Runtime breakage/bugs caused by distros applying their own patches and using unsupported build tools (and/or using outdated project versions) is often blamed on the original developer/project rather than the distro.

And I'm not even saying this should apply to everything. Anything that's a system-level package is completely fine to go through the standardized distro build process. But anything user-facing should absolutely not be handled by distros in the way they handle things currently.
I'm clearly not the only retard thinking this since more and more people (both devs and users) are pushing the use of universal formats, appimages, flatpaks, etc. In many cases these are either coming from the official devs anyway, or are officially endorsed (even some unverified flathub packages are endorsed by original devs). And in the worst case scenario, they're completely unofficial just like the package in a distro repo. And from the looks of it, it seems like the "distros are in charge of packaging user-facing software" paradigm is slowly being phased out anyway.
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does gnome have filepicker thumbnails yet?
as in, if i install the latest fedora release with gnome, will i have thumbnails OOTB?
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>>106698702
>you can't do anything because the SSD is just gone
Samsung SSDs are indeed garbage.
Still, I think not enough attention is given to failure scenarios in the Linux world. The root or home filesystem suddenly becoming read-only should not result in total failure to respond to user actions. Executing a reboot should still work reliably when the SSD disappears or when the GPU driver is having a bad day. Hard lockups should be the exception rather than the norm.
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>>106700741
Apparently it's there since v44.
>Fedora
Considering it's usually on the latest version of GNOME, it should work.
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>>106700756
>Samsung SSDs are indeed garbage.
I've found them to be high quality, personally. They've had some bugs in the past but they're still one of the few companies that manufactures their flash storage themselves and therefore has full vertical control in the manufacturing process from top to bottom.
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>>106700867
Also they have a great warranty period compared to some companies. If you have any problems with it they'll have no issues with you warrantying it.
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>>106700741
>>106700800
Only for GTK 4 apps or apps that use the GTK4-based filechooser Portal service (like Flatpaks or Firefox if configured to do so in about:config)
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>>106700741
If you install ffmpeg-thumbnailer, preferably after adding rpmfusion repo
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>>106691307
gnome's first window manager, Sawfish, was a lisp engine written in C. It was like the Emacs of window managers and very GNU style. Today, gnome desktop is scripted with javascript.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawfish_(window_manager)

* screenshot taken from http://samhart.com/snh/files/screens/001.shtml
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>>106700741
Yes... but /spoiler: it can't generate thumbnails so you have to view the files in the file manager first
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>>106701000
It can generate thumbnails
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>>106701059
Oh so they finally fixed that too, nice
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>>106700756
Yeah I agree. It's kinda funny to me that Linux is overwhelmingly dominant in high-availability server scenarios, but if it runs out of disk space or memory, it handles it worse than Windows.
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How do i force steam to install proton experimental on my 2nd drive? My main SSD is out of space.
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>>106701269
Proton doesn't take up that much disk space. You should probably delete some files or uninstall some games.
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I need to update network-manager, because the version distributed with Linux Mint (1.46.0) has some dumb bug that is affecting me. What is the least painful way to do so, given it is not in the Mint repositories? Compile from source or something like that?
inb4 not distro-hopping

>>106701269
> How do i force steam to install proton experimental on my 2nd drive? My main SSD is out of space.
Go to the steam settings. Then "storage".
Click where it says "local drive", then "add drive", then find some directory for that in your second drive.
Then select Proton Experimental plus a few games of your choice, then click "move". Send them to that directory.
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>>106701399
Do you really need NetworkManager? Disable it and use iWd if you need Wireless, otherwise Systemd Networkd
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>>106701399
>What is the least painful way to do so, given it is not in the Mint repositories? Compile from source or something like that?
Compiling from sources is the most painful way of installing any software. Although for a system component that's likely your only option.
And as the other anon asked: do you really need it? I figure if you got a laptop and hop around different Wi-Fis it's neat to have the applet thingy on your desktop, afaik only NetworkManager provides one. But for a stationary device you could just do with IWD or something.
>>106698802
How does one generally split tunnel? I did it completely manually with systemd-networkd, like adding manual routes for specific connections.
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>>106701567
>>106701586
I use a cabled connection.
I'm going to check IWD and systemd networkd, thank you both!
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Just installed ChachyOS. Yeah, I'm thinking this is the one.
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>>106701608
>"I don't use Wi-Fi"
Then you don't need iwd lol. Everyone seemingly assumes a NetworkManager user is always a Wi-Fi user.
man systemd.network

>>106697085
There's a point in having freedoms.
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>>106687163
Should I jump from Mint to Lubuntu or Xubuntu? Apparently Lubuntu recently revised their focused July this year from older hardware to general use using LXQt. I like both of them but I can't really make up a decision between the two so I'd like opinions on either of them.
>What about X distro?
Largely not interested but I'm open to suggestions for the far future.
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>>106701586
>How does one generally split tunnel? I did it completely manually with systemd-networkd, like adding manual routes for specific connections.
What you did is correct. That's proper split tunnelling. What they want is a bit of a misnomer to call it split-tunnelling because they aren't looking to do it per-route but at the application level.

The only way to do that is with network namespaces or to classify the traffic somehow with iptables or eBPF and mark the traffic with fwmarks and route it that way.
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>>106702071
le application level is hard, would require me to learn "name spaces" or whatever the hell.
Routes are just routes, a basic OS feature. Works the same on Windows too.
t. tard
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Requesting help from fellow /fglt/ anons.
I'm adding a RTX 3060 12GB to my pc for ai shit but I don't want to use it for render, just for ai/compute (I use AMD for rendering/output). I'm currently using Debian and it doesn't have the nvidia-headless packages that Ubuntu has specifically for this purpose.

Unfortunately I haven't found much info online regarding this and would like some spoonfeed about running nvidia drivers headlessly.

Thanks in advance
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>>106691953
artix just completely dropped Gnome btw

https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,8700.0.html
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>>106687163
tried upgrading from debian 12 to 13 using
Skill issue.
>nano etc/apt/sources.list
>replace all "bookworm" with "trixie"
>save file and exit
>apt update
>apt full-upgrade
>majority of package broken
>libnettle missing not found
>can't even --fix-broken install
>network manager inaccessible, nmtui and nmcli cant be accessed because libnettle missing
I give my thanks to anon, it's a good lesson really
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What compositor can work with wmaker and a terminal's built-in transparency setting?
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is omarchy just rice on top of vanilla arch?
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>>106702937
Yeah it's basically just Arch with a pre-riced Hyprland setup and a Calameres installer.
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>>106702955
is that all you have to do to cause a fuss? jesus
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>>106702937
no. see https://learn.omacom.io/3/omacom/84/vision-mission-principles
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>>106703042
i skimmed through that garbage and saw nothing of substance other than rice.
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>>106687163
I don't get the point of running a gui, I understand that its great for people who aren't computer people as its a metaphysical extension of a "desk" (drag, drop, and file things on the gui like a desk). It's intuitive, but then for those who know computers and do a lot of terminal actions, why even bother having a gui at all? I can't really think of a reason for having one, other than maybe to quickly glance at things, but you can easily do that with a file manager like nemo.
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>>106703088
useful tools (read: the ones used by actual jobs) can only be accessed via a gui (read: browser)
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>>106702872
we used to do terminal "transparency" without compositors
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>>106703057
lel, k tard. Omarchy is an harmonized and optimized desktop distribution: each part has been carefully selected and configured to work well together. it's not just a rice script but a complete way of doing your computing that is oriented towards TUI and keyboard use.
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>>106703098
you can browse the internet through your terminal as well as another program that I'm not remembering the name up currently.
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>>106703114 (Me)
links2 and w3m
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>>106703114
You can't really. The modern web requires JavaScript which means running a full-blown graphical browser to use properly.

At best you can render the browser in the terminal with things like Browsh or Chromium's libcaca backend (not seriously maintained)
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>>106703119
Try loading any serious modern website like YouTube, Google Maps, Google Docs, etc in that and let's see how far you get.
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>>106703110
>complete way of doing your computing that is oriented towards TUI and keyboard use
so a hyprland. yeah, rice.
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>>106703127
yes, hyprland was picked because it suits well to the omarchy philosophy.
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>>106703145
i'm not knocking it, i just wondered if they did anything differently. i like hyprland, but i'm using 6 terminals on 4 desktops in kde, all keybound to switch easily. only time i touch my mouse is to shitpost or call AI a faggot.
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>>106703088
You must be not very productive with your computing machine then. i don't see myself doing video editing, musical composition, 3d modeling, .. in a terminal emulator.
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>>106703122
Nah, that's been a huge scam for years now.
>>106703126
see picture
>>106703156
>type 3 words
>tab
>type 3 words
>tab
those 5 seconds were sure long and inefficient...
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>>106703165
Impressive I admit but that's not a web browser.
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>>106703184
the point is to do it through the terminal, it's easy to do with text, with video its gonna be a little silly.
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>>106703195
Yes, you can't really do it. That's sort of the point. At best it can do static web pages
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>>106703201
We truly live in a society, don't we?
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This is making me wonder why no one has made a "teaching/toy" linux os with a cli that teaches people who to use the command line. I doubt anyone would use it but it would be pretty cool to have something like that and definately cut down on questions.
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>>106703042
>This means all Omacom systems include commercial tools when they're the best option. From Spotify to 1password, from Typora to Zoom. It's all welcome. Right next to Pinta, Kdenlive, OBS Studio, and the rest of the open source options.

Well that's a bit more retarded than the average ricer. Proprietary software is a thing that exists but you definitely shouldn't include it as a default. Ignoring the ethics, it might be legally dubious for you to ship that to other users without permission although this is clearly somebodies small pet-project so I doubt anyone would care.
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>>106687163
Moving wallpaper program for linux mint? preferably one that can use wallpaper engine files so I can just steal those instead.
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>>106697621
It matters, Nvidia is still not where it should be on Linux.
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>>106703266
those packages are build from AUR. For example with 1password: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/1password
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>>106703266
>this is clearly somebodies small pet-project

Omarchy is now sponsored by Cloudflare amongst others. That guy is earning good money from it now.
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>>106703361
That explains a lot then.
>>106703340
If it were my project I'm not sure I'd go to the trouble of writing scripts to build AUR packages when people can do it themselves.
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>>106701871
Maybe...? Why are you dissatisfied with Mint?
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>>106703474
A lot of the streamlining they did is getting in the way of what I'm trying to do, little bugs and problems that just annoy the shit out of me:
>sometimes the dual monitor system just breaks
>sometimes mint will change the resolution to a lower one on log in
>sometimes mint flip the monitor numbers, but this hasn't happened in a while
>sometimes the suspend button doesn't appear when I want to put it in sleep mode
>sometimes windows won't align properly when full screened
>sometimes when I play a video and expand it to full screen it goes to the other monitor
>I can't play a game I want to play because of some sort of frame cap that they put on mint for w/e reason.
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Ok lads so basically i'm a 50 iq code illiterate and i'm thinking to switch my os from w10 to mint in the next few weeks because of how jewish and annoying microsoft has become. So my question is how good and stable linux mint is for normie stuff like gaming, using steam, discord, etc?. i just want a normal non invasive os without 500 crap apps man. I remember back in the days linux in general had some issues with vidya compatibility so that's why i'm asking
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>>106703562
video gaming has never been easier on linux than ever, it'll be and uphill battle for you cause you'll have to learn WINE and come terminal (command line) stuff to ge it working, but once you've got it down, its the same thing every time or you can just double click it and it'll run like it normally does on windows. There may or may not be some quirks with it as well.
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>>106703547
Doubt that will be fixed with any other xorg based DE. Get something that uses Wayland.
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>gpg: keyserver receive failed: No keyserver available
>sudo pkill dirmgr
>gpg: keyserver receive failed: No data
>gpg: keyserver receive failed: No keyserver available
>sudo pkill dirmgr
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>>106703610
Some of these I've never had a problem with on X11. Those are not X11 problems.
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>>106700913
Considering Flatpaks are supposed to be the default package type now, that's completely fine.

>>106702937
It's just a useless meme distro made for nobody.
1. very few people care about tiling window managers
2. very few people use vim
3. those who use tiling managers are usually either minimalists, or very opinionated themselves (and usually both)
A distro that just defaults to Hyprland and Lazyvim would be fine, but this one also includes a ton of pre-installed software which the supposed target audience would consider bloatware.

For most devs, a "muh developer distro" like Bluefin would be infinitely more suitable since it doesn't pretend to be minimalist and actually uses a common DE (GNOME) and a common code editor (VSCode). And it's also directly based on Fedora which is probably the 2nd or 3rd most popular distro among developers. But in reality, most developers just use Ubuntu.

>>106703318
KDE Plasma has gif/video wallpaper support.
If you're looking for Wallpaper Engine support, again only KDE Plasma supports it.

>>106703562
>normie distro
>stable
>gaming
>steam
>discord
Use Bazzite. It's more noob friendly and already set up for your usecase and matches everything above.
Mint only has meme desktop environments and it's constantly a year and a half behind Fedora/Arch distros so it's generally ever so slightly less compatible with games.

>>106703580
You don't need to fuck around in a terminal to use Wine/Proton. Bottles and Steam work fine and everything can be managed in a GUI, aside from very specific edge cases which don't affect most people.
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Firefox's Cache2 I/O process has a serious problem if the system is under high CPU load the whole browser falls apart.

I set
browser.cache.disk.enable
to false in
about:config
and now it's snappy again now but obviously I would like to have a disk cache. I'm too lazy to file a bug report though, plus I don't know if it can be easily reproduced.
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>>106703865
>very few people use vim
o.O
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>>106703876
Do you have a job? Yes, very few developers (even those who use Linux) use vim over a GUI text editor.
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>>106703884
I use vim as my IDE, and I got this idea from a former colleague at a different company who did the same.
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>>106703910
Wow, the two of you surely represent the majority of developers.
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>>106703921
Go and do some research on the Emacs vs Vim wars. They are very popular editors still even if a college graduate of today is more likely to be seen using VSCode.
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>>106703884
As someone who used to think this too after 3 webdev jobs, and then I got a 4th programming job that was totally different (mostly backend, massive distributed services with heavy reliance on managed services from cloud providers like AWS/Azure, lots of operations/SRE work, high traffic, literally millions of instances/containers under our control, lots of CLIs and APIs to manage all the complexity, with a good mix of compiled, interpreted, scripting, and low level languages, all spread across thousands of git repos, I could go on but you get the point), a terminal editor can be a huge productivity boost in the right environment. It really just depends on what kind of work you do, if you have a workflow that has you writing code about 10% of your time spent doing technical work and the other 90% living in terminals, vim could make a lot of sense. Although I concede the majority of dev jobs are a lot more cookie cutter than this place I worked at and a traditional IDE is a better fit there
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Why does HDR have to be so dependent on using not just the right display server but also the right DE?
On boy my fancy schmancy laptop and my desktop, HDR only really actually works on Plasma on Wayland. Fairly different displays, both OLED, different GPU manufacturers and all, but anywhere else it's painful or doesn't work period.
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>>106704057
Because your display server is responsible for your display output. It is also responsible for compositing and has to do a lot of heavy lifting so you can have SDR and HDR surfaces on the desktop and have them both displayed correctly, etc.

Colour management is hard. KDE got it right, GNOME is getting it right, the other compositors have to learn from them and do so too. Hyprland has HDR support too I think.
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hi saars pls make my machine run faster with linux
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>>106703921
I did not make the claim that it's representative of the majority, just provided a data point.
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>>106704057
>HDR only really actually works on Plasma on Wayland.
So you're complaining that it only works in... the default setup?
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>>106704265
He means it's not working as well on other desktop environments. This is somewhat expected given KDE was the first to support it and have had plenty of time to work out all of the kinks in KWin. They are also still the only desktop that includes a display calibration for it.
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>>106704265
The default setup where?
Did Fedora switch to Plasma as default?
Did Ubuntu?
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>>106704277
>The default setup where?
On smart users' desktops.
>Did Fedora switch to Plasma as default?
Sort of... it has two editions: GNOME and KDE, at the same level.
https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-linux-42/
>Did Ubuntu?
Did Xubuntu? This is a non-argument, see pic.
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>>106703865
>Use Bazzite. It's more noob friendly and already set up for your usecase and matches everything above.
huh this is probably what i was looking for thanks man. hell even the desktop looks like w10. i only wonder how hard is to run some few pirated games with wine. steam games look alright and with no compatibility issues at least on youtube tutorials
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>>106688482
this is the most destructive lie lazy worthless modern fagdevelopers have pushed
i will never respect any opinion from fagdevelopers who have said these words.
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>>106694240
dont tell me ur running nouveau nigga
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>>106694240
It's nvidia, nvidia sucks on linux, never trust a person who says otherwise
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>>106704277
>default setup where
Fedora - it's one of the 2 defaults as of a year or two ago
OpenSUSE - it's one of the 2 defaults, with people associating the distro with KDE more so than GNOME
SteamOS
CachyOS
Bazzite/Aurora
Manjaro - it's one of the 3 defaults, being the first one on the list
EndeavourOS - it's the first DE in the list, so it's often a default choice

KDE is the default for pretty much half the Linux userbase, while the other half is GNOME. And GNOME is always the DE people complain about and want gone. That's the whole reason projects like Unity, Cinnamon, Budgie, Cosmic, etc. are created. KDE doesn't get nearly as much hate.
So, it's safe to say KDE is the default most people like, GNOME is the default most people hate and everything else is niche/irrelevant.
Just because there's 2 defaults, doesn't mean that they're not defaults.

>>106704399
When it comes to Steam games, running them using Proton10 (currently in beta) or Proton Experimental is probably the best. Running Linux-native games is a hit or miss because they're often either outdated and incompatible with online multiplayer, or they have massive performance issues, or they just don't run at all. So even if a game has a Linux build it's better to just use Proton. In any case, check the compatibility of your games here: https://www.protondb.com/ . Just note that reports for less popular games are often behind the current Proton version, so just because a game is reported as "not well supported" 2-4 years ago doesn't mean it won't work today.
When it comes to pirated Windows games, you can use Bottles or Lutris. Personally I use Bottles because I find the UI/UX much simpler and intuitive. If you're pirating GOG installers, or pre-installed games, they'll work fine in 99% of cases. Steam repacks from sources like fitgirl are a hit-or-miss and sometimes require troubleshooting. See >>106697251 >>106697376 >>106697402
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>>106704532
>If you're pirating GOG installers, or pre-installed games, they'll work fine in 99% of cases. Steam repacks from sources like fitgirl are a hit-or-miss and sometimes require troubleshooting
very interesting and good to know thanks again anon. one last question about this topic. do you have any clue how decent emulators like duckstation, pcsx2 or rpcs3 run on bazzite compared to w10?
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>>106704581
linux is always better for emulation and older games
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>>106702864
Did you do update all Bookworm packages before doing the upgrade? I think it even says so in the readme
>>106699717
Found the issue, it is fractional scaling on X11 which completely destroys performance.
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It. Just. Works.
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Just dropping by to thank Anons:
>>106701643
>>106701586
>>106701567
I was able to make systemd-networkd work here without issue. Thank you all!
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>>106704581
They run fine. As the other anon said, Linux is generally better for emulation when it comes to performance. Not only is there less overhead, it's usually ahead of Windows when it comes to OpenGL and Vulkan versions which are used by emulators.
I mean, consider that $50-$150 Linux ARM handhelds are very common and they are primarily used for console emulation.
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people should stop claiming linux mint is good for low end machines

an i5 2nd gen or core2duo isn't going to have vulkan support so majority of games are out of the question
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>>106704426
You have repressed gay feelings, so tiling WMs suit you just fine lmao
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>>106704818
Nothing is good for old junk like that but a fire insurance.
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What would be a good Linux distribution for an Intel Core 2 Duo SU9400 and 8GB RAM? I've downloaded salix, devuan, trisquel but I'm asking for some more recommendations because I want to test them out. Cheers
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>>106704900
Anything with LXQT or Xfce
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>>106704922
Yeah but anything specific? Ill just stick IceWM on it or something
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>>106704900
You can probably run most distros on this despite the fact that your CPU is the equivalent of a raspberry PI 3. You'll just have to limit yourself to minimalist applications (and those which don't run in background) to avoid wasting CPU cycles.
You don't necessarily have to limit yourself to IceWM, you can still run most DEs just fine. It's probably just GNOME and maybe Cinnamon that will be completely unusable. Here's some pretty popular "low spec" distros:
>TinyCoreLinux (IceWM, dwm, fluxbox, openbox, flwm, jwm, etc.)
>AntiX (IceWM, fluxbox)
>Q4OS (Trinity, KDE)
>MX Linux (openbox, Xfce)

That is, if you don't mind AntiX devs being mentally ill
>Proudly anti-fascist "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old and new computers.
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>>106705226
Anti fascism is based. Bella Ciao.
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>>106705226
Being "anti-fascist" is... mentally ill? Okay.
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>>106705476
>>106705495
Get in the helicopter.
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Man, the readme for the dockapps repository sucks.

Sure, there was a mention that some of them require setting a certain CFLAGS. I thought you were to run that in the terminal. Nope, apparently what you're supposed to do is modify the makefile. And then others would throw a fit about something pertaining to libdockapp not being found. It seems you're supposed to install it yourself, which the readme makes no mention of

When is someone going to host a repository of binaries? The distro's own only hosts a handful of them.
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>>106704900
Arch with lxqt runs smooth af on my old laptop
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>>106705495
Yes? Antifa are literally just fascists who have convinced themselves that they're the good guys. It's literally a movement that's all about "noo, you're doing totalitarianism wrong! This is how you do it!".
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>>106705656
Yup; Bunch of losers with useless degrees who can't grab basic biology and have no independent thoughts. Just do the opposite of whatever the republicans say, even if it's backed by science.
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>>106697055
deadbeef
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>>106705495
>be fascists
>call yourselves anti-fascists
>???
>profit

protip: nobody cares what you call your group, it's what you actually do that counts
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>>106705476
>>106705495
>>106705678
>>106705782
Guys, I don't even disagree with you, but you're biting obvious bait from a retard who doesn't understand this thread is about Linux instead of politics.
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>>106705923
the only bait posts here are these >>106705476 >>106705495
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>>106705923
>>106706000
Just report as either trolling or low quality and move on, God will make sure he reaps what he sows.
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New >>106706203
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>>106703884
For work I use an IDE but at home Vim (well, Neovim) is my default text editor for nearly everything (I'll use Obsidian for some stuff).



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