>are expensive pos worth it?
no.

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iloud

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>>106778081
mogged by $3

for me it's the EDC Pro, the best IEM under $4

>>106778126
>that bass
yeesh

>>106778126
t. pinnalet

>>106778126
>edc pro
inferior drivers and implementation than 02. simple as.

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>>106772091
enjoy the earraep

>>106778333
that's what we call an analytical sound

>>106778333
thanks I'll eq them before putting them on

>>106778402
this is what sennheiser fans actually believe

>>106778126
transjimmy xistas: analilated

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>>106778402
It's called analytical because your ears feel like it's getting anal'ed

How do you keep your iems untangled anons? Every time I open my epz pouch it's like trying to untie the Gordian knot.

>>106778808
using one cable?

>>106778808
they never tangle for me

>>106778808
Remove the earhooks from the cable, will solve 90% of tangling.

tfw need to find a new case/box after my IEM collection reaches 35

what happened to the Hi-Fi generals? I miss them.

>>106779244
you need more than $20 so only iemg and csg can survive

any good iems yet?

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>>106779289
Yes.

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>>106779259
that's not true, I paid $23

>>106779296
*no

>>106778126
I kneel.

>>106778126
I'd pay for it if it wasnt revised 30 times by now

>>106779596
this would be a bad thing, except KZ IEMs improve after each revision. you're getting an upgrade

>>106779631
nobody has ever read the eq guide

>>106779778
I just bass boost until it clips and circumcise treble ranges until it's kosher

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I aspire to buy this some day

>>106780260
Pretty sure its better to buy a smaller number of higher quality speakers. Do they even work without a receiver?

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>>106777503
I use GOS on Pixel 9 so yeah, I got a chink noname usbc<->3.5mm and it werks fine, better than the iPod 5 I have (more mid and bass), plus I can stream it from my nas rather than have to copy back and forth

>>106780260
>VAT
why not just go to china, buy it, fly back

Guys I swear I'm not a scizo, I can hear the difference between planar and dd iems, planars have very different THUMP and WOOMP and also SSSS hits just right

>>106780685
Yes, most people are able to hear these distinctions. It's called "planar timbre" and "DD timbre" for a reason.

>>106780685
you're talking about tuning. but you're still half right.

>>106780742
Has nothing to do with tuning.

>>106780779
it partly does actually.

>>106780811
> Partly
And what's the other part?

>>106780844
Mental illness. Like when people hear disabled BAs in KZs.

>>106780811
There is more to audio than FR.

>>106780844
driver type/quality and implementation. anon literally is just trying to describe differences in driver types alone.

>>106780685
you can hear the difference between their different tuning
you are not schizo just stupid

>>106780885
1 measurement...

>>106780779
tuning is everything

>>106780884
that hasn't happened in years. kz's best release happens to have 8 BAs in each side and nobody's shitting on it.

>>106780901
meaningless statement.
tuning is "driver implementation". Dunno why you'd want to try and create new terms for no reason (other than to sound smarter than you actually are)

>tea pro looks stunning
>condensation-prone metal body
>top pro has resin body
>ugly generic multi-driver chinkshit faceplate
why did mangird do it

>>106780885
I agree completely.

>>106780916
>>106780884
KZ only released 1DD+1BA with a broken BA to btfo the audiophools and them calling it "metallic timbre" before releasing 1DD+8BA IEMs. It's 5D chess on a level that fooled even iemg.

I'm still using kz pr1 pro and I'm satisfied.

>>106780302
>receiver
The DSP future is now old man

>>106780941
upgrade to PR2 when it's $10 again lil bro

>>106780922
>driver implementation
>create new terms for no reason
cope. harder.

>>106780916
>that hasn't happened in years
it doesn't matter? 1 instance of this happening is enough
>kz's best release happens to have 8 BAs in each side and nobody's shitting on it.
dumb fuck did the point fly over your head? kz and their BA pos is irrelevant.

>>106780938
their best set has 2DD+8BA*

>>106780953
what does it even mean?

>>106780952
What about prx and pr3?

>>106780960
>1 instance of this happening is enough
you act like kz was nefarious. those 'dead BAs' were wired incorrectly. it came down to bad QC, not trying to cheat by actually having ornament BAs that wouldn't otherwise work if they were wired correctly.
>>106780960
idk man, they make their own drivers. they pulled off a monster set by implementation. I don't give a shit if you aren't aware or disagree.

>>106780974
PR2 has the increased amp requirements, KZ then nerfed it. PRX is an upgraded PR1

Planars are the future

>>106780974
pr3 is basically pr2. prx is good, just all the superficial things about the pr series everybody wanted are now back.

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Hey bros, I have a beyerdynamic dt 770, and even though I really like it, wearing it for more than two hours makes my big ass head ache, wearing glasses doesn't help. So, which of these would you recommend that have similar quality? I don't really know much about this stuff...

>>106781006
I heard it in 2022, when will this future finally happen

>>106781016
it already happened with the HE6 sorry bro you missed it

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>f**o'd

speaking of planars which is the best budget planar set? might get one on next sale

>>106780988
you still not get it lol
KZ is irrelevant. It's about people hearing BA timbre when it was physically impossible. Because all the difference between drivers is tuning+mental illness

>>106780885
what else is there? literally nothing

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>>106781056
PR2 nigga how many times I gotta shill it

>>106781056
Hifiman Susvara

A lot of audiophile bullshit stems from the fact that if you know something is different then you'll hear a difference. From purely visual stuff, like the color, to stuff that intuitively should be audible but in reality isn't, like driver types, to stuff that actually should be audible, but you only "hear" it if you know in advance it is different, like codecs, small FR changes and distortion. This is why blind tests exist.

>>106767344

>>106781098
EQ is the same thing, they believe they're improving the sound when they're sliding a bar up and down for 100+ hours

>>106781075
Human measuring rig > anything else.

>>106781137
low IQ take

>>106781138
FR at your eardrum is still FR you know

>>106781137
Case in point, chuzo's 0.1dB filters. And when windows update breaks apo unless the preset has a big negative preamp many won't even notice it turned off.

>>106781151
There's no scientific advancements being done when you EQ. Only fools buying overpriced measuring rigs producing charts that don't even work in the real world.

>>106781156
My rig picks up more than just FR, too bad yours broken.

EQing has a real purpose when you read the EQ guide. Jeets using squig/peqdb are larping as IEM alchemists.

>>106781194
>look inside the rig
>mental illness

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>>106781086
E-waste.

>>106781072
you're ESL. and KZ is opposite of irrelevant. you just like to argue so you can work on your english.
>>106781079
keep shilling it, a jem of a pos


honestly, you can fool uninformed people by thinking they're listening to hifi by simply tastefully adding some treble. maybe even bass. that's the whole point of harman, is seeing what GENERALLY, people can get down to.

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>>106781251
>Unveiled

>>106781159
if eq profile is actually different it is very noticeable
tho i don't remember when was the last time win update broke apo

>>106781194
>picks up more than just FR
there's nothing more
audio waves hit your eardrum and that's that

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EQ should be done by ear, not by trying to EQ a FR graph from a third party, unless you have sound knowledge of their testing technique, measuring equipment, and how you can extrapolate that to your own ear (hint: unless you're an audio engineer that has measured his own HRTF, you can't)

>>106781281
And you straight up lose half of the waveform before it even reaches your brain because hair cells work like half-wave rectifiers.

>>106781281
there's a multitude of ways those waves hit your eardrum and a myriad of factors that affect each way. FR=everything is serious mental damage

>>106781256
>you're ESL. and KZ is opposite of irrelevant. you just like to argue so you can work on your english.
you are fucking retarded and I'm ESL? You don't even understand basic english...
KZ is irrelevant to the point that was made... Not in general irrelevant (I don't give a fuck if they are relevant or not).

>in-ear mentalinless general

>>106781314
>there's a multitude of ways those waves hit your eardrum
Name 1 other than pressure.

>>106781326
time

>>106781204
nobody has read the eq guide doe

here we go again... the lunatics escaped the mental ward once again...

>>106781314
human hearing... how does it work...

>>106781353
IR=FR. Waterall=FR. Chatgpt lost.

>>106781353
time is irrelevant for IEMs

I'm convinced jeets cannot comprehend time domain no matter how much we teach them.

>>106781375
I accept your consession.

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>>106781383
Here's your time domain bro.

jeets are so poor they just deny time domain even exists, see >>106781390

Explain all audio terms likes techs in FR. Go ahead.

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>>106781400
Chatgpt lost.

>>106781318
>I don't give a fuck if they are relevant or not
>KZ is irrelevant
you're all over the place and uppity for no reason lol.
>>106781326
I'll name like 6. diffraction and reflections inside pinna and canal. interference patterns from pinna and canal. insertion depths, angles and nozzle shapes/lengths change the standing wave before they ever hit the eardrum. that's how your precious HRTFS work, retard.

>ratso is a pajeet
explains everything

>>106781390
nta, how to interpret this?

>>106781414
>I'll name like 6
>names pressure
What did he mean by this.

>>106781422
FR is Fourier transform of IR, IR is Fourier transform of FR. When you make FR the same with EQ the IR also becomes the same.

>>106781383
you are an uneducated clown lmao. When were you explaining time domain to anyone ever? You don't even fucking know what time is

>>106781422
time domain is irrelevant, chart says so

Post IQ then get back to me

>>106781414
>you're all over the place and uppity for no reason lol.
Try reading the whole sentence, idiot

>>106781455
nobody knows what time or gravity is. explain without using star trek or asimov

>>106781422
interpreting IR graphs is pretty pointless so you don't need to.
this picture just demonstrates that FR=IR (and retards still can't comprehend it)

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>>106781455
>ahhh ohmygerd i can see time itself

>>106781439
holy buzzwords. I asked chatgpt to debunk you.
IR includes temporal behavior (ringing, decay, group delay). You can EQ the FR to match, but if the driver is slower, has different damping, or exhibits resonances, the IR won’t match. That’s literally why two EQ-matched IEMs can sound different in transients and staging.
When you make FR the same with EQ the IR also becomes the same
only if you live in minimum-phase fantasyland. real drivers have phase shifts, resonances, and non-linearities. EQing magnitude ≠ cloning temporal behavior.

This general would be much nicer to each other if everyone was a cute girl.

>>106781439
btw this is the general case. FR contains the phase information, so you can make a 1 driver IEM have the same IR as a multidriver IEM if you EQ the phase in addition to magnitude - or even have the same IR as speakers in a room. Tools like squig don't display the phase but it is stored in the raw file, you can look at it in other tools. In case of minimum phase IEMs there is an additional link between the phase and the magnitude.

>>106781555
if everyone here was a girl we'd meet up to fight each other irl then make out, scissor and fight again in that order

you can't make two completely different IEMs sound exactly the same no matter the amount of EQ

>>106781554
>You can EQ the FR to match, but if the driver is slower, has different damping, or exhibits resonances, the IR won’t match.
The IRs are matching. Chatgpt lost >>106781390

>>106781573
You personally can't. I of course can.

>>106781558
Real pos are not perfectly minimum-phase.
Balanced armatures and complex crossovers introduce phase shifts, group delay irregularities and resonances that can’t be fully corrected with EQ especially with multi-driver setups.
Even if you had perfect EQ control over phase, physical propagation differences (e.g., bore length mismatches, damping variations) make it nearly impossible to force a 1-driver IEM to behave exactly like a multi-driver one in the time domain.
“FR contains phase information” is only true if you have the complex FR. The magnitude FR you see on Squig or Harman graphs doesn’t contain phase info. In practice, 99% of hobbyist EQ and IEM discussions ignore phase entirely. So pretending this theoretical equivalence makes EQ “solve everything” is misleading at best.
you're mathematically wrong and completely detached from practical audio reality. I accept your concession.

>>106781612
That's only because your revised e-waste all have the same drivet

>>106781414
>change the standing wave before they ever hit the eardrum
and what is the result of all these transformations?

>>106781469
time=distance/speed

>>106781577
EQing magnitude doesn’t fix non-minimum-phase behavior, driver ringing, or group delay mismatches. That’s why EQ-matched sets can measure the same FR and still sound different in transients and staging. This isn’t up for debate; it’s literally how time-domain behavior works. bro every BA crossover suddenly became minimum-phase because you said so. congrats, you solved acoustics. someone tell Toole

>>106781623
>>106781652
>Real pos are not perfectly minimum-phase.
Debunked >>106781390
>>106781652
>EQing magnitude doesn’t fix non-minimum-phase behavior
Debunked >>106781390

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>>106781628
those transformations reshape the frequency response and the phase at the eardrum. meaning they directly affect what we actually perceive. literally why insertion depth and canal is important too

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>>106781652
Here's your driver ringing bro >>106781413

>>106781554
lol how the fuck actual human being with a working brain can think that asking chatbot about anything is a good argument?
holy fucking shit you are stupid.
>only if you live in minimum-phase fantasyland
it is so funny how you always try to deny that IEMs are minimum phase cause it destroys your whole argument. You are the one who denies reality and lives in a fantasyland...
> real drivers have phase shifts, resonances, and non-linearities
w-woah non-linearities? we are using big words now I'm so impressed... ahahahahaha
so dumb

>>106781680
>the frequency response and the phase at the eardrum
So, pressure. Anything else?

>>106781674
Even if the IRs look roughly similar, that doesn’t mean they are actually minimum phase or that eqing magnitude clones the temporal behavior. IR graphs can be misleading. scaling, smoothing, or just looking at the first few milliseconds can hide resonances, ringing, and group delay differences. Multi-driver designs have different transient interactions between drivers, crossovers, and BA delays. two IRs can appear superficially similar but still produce very different transient and spatial perception. measurement conditions (in-ear coupler vs. real ear) can dramatically alter IR appearance. overlaying them doesn’t say shit. now explain why differences in group delay, driver ringing, and crossover phase aren’t causing audible differences.

>>106781623
>Real pos are not perfectly minimum-phase
effects from them not being "perfect" minimum-phase are negligible
>Balanced armatures and complex crossovers introduce phase shifts, group delay irregularities and resonances that can’t be fully corrected with EQ especially with multi-driver setups.
there's not ONE pos where this would matter. they simply do not exist.
>In practice, 99% of hobbyist EQ and IEM discussions ignore phase entirely.
because there's nothing fucking relevant there
bunch of reviewers publish phase measurements if you want them so much.
>you're mathematically wrong and completely detached from practical audio reality. I accept your concession.
you quite literally have no idea what the fuck you are talking about cause you are just copying bullet points from chatgpt

>>106781727
>roughly similar
Debunked >>106781390 (You)
99.999999999% similar.

>>106781702
pressure, yeah…and all the reflections, diffraction, standing waves and interference that turn that pressure into sound that actually reaches your brain differently.
you're good at reducing things down to one thing that somehow "explains it all". that's how "fr=everything" fails.

>>106781727
>multi-driver this multi-driver that
so stop buying an inferior configuration of ear speakers lol

>>106781652
>EQing magnitude doesn’t fix non-minimum-phase behavior
IEMs do not have non-minimum-phase behavior
demonstrate it if they do.
>That’s why EQ-matched sets can measure the same FR and still sound different in transients and staging.
wrong.
which sets did you match and what did you use to measure FR with?
>This isn’t up for debate
it is. you are just ignorant. chatgpt doesn't know shit about audio
>it’s literally how time-domain behavior works
demonstrate that it's relevant for IEMs. time domain is relevant for speakers because... they are fucking far away from your stupid ears.
>bro every BA crossover suddenly became minimum-phase because you said so
IEM drivers are too close to eardrum for any of this matter in any way shape or form.
>congrats, you solved acoustics. someone tell Toole
do not invoke toole's name with your retarded driverl

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>>106781623
>The magnitude FR you see on Squig or Harman graphs doesn’t contain phase info.
OwO what's this?

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can i post some fox sloppa or will you ban me again

>>106781680
what in practical terms does "changing phase at the eardrum" mean?
>literally why insertion depth and canal is important too
this is fucking funny to read I'm sorry... you are so lost...

What did we learn today?

>>106781768
You got it completely backwards. Reflections, diffractions, etc, create the pressure at your eardrum. It only moves back and forth, from that pressure. Not sideways or through some fourth dimension.

>>106781813
fox sloppa is the only sloppa im not allowed to post

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>>106781792
The slop must contain an IEM.

>>106781768
sound=pressure
standing waves do not turn pressure into sound dumbass
>you're good at reducing things down to one thing that somehow "explains it all". that's how "fr=everything" fails.
it literally never fails. people arrived at that conclusion BECAUSE it never failed.
you are so dumb. Importance of FR was not discovered yesterday. All the things you are trying to inject into it were tried and none of them mattered in the end.

>>106781781
>demonstrate it if they do.
every multi driver pos has crossover induced phase shifts. BAs have mechanical resonance and delayed output relative to dynamic drivers. even with a single DD, damping, enclosure, and bore differences produce minor non-minimum phase behavior enough to affect transients and spatial perception and eq can't fix that.

you keep ignoring this: This is why two eq-matched pos can sound different despite identical magnitude FRs

>>106781781
>time domain is relevant for speakers because... they are fucking far away from your stupid ears.
Speaker physics and IEM physics are both LTI problems; the scale differs but the principles of phase and temporal smearing are the same. Closeness reduces absolute delay but does not eliminate interference, ringing, or group delay artifacts.

>>106781813
chatgpt still doesn't know shit about sound
need to try newer paid version

>>106781808
“changing phase at the eardrum” just means altering the timing relationships between different frequency components of the sound wave as it arrives at your eardrum. reflections inside the canal and off the pinna can cause certain frequencies to reinforce or cancel each other, shifting the apparent timbre.
when it comes to transient behavior, slight shifts in arrival time of different components affect how sharp or smoothed a transient feels. that’s why percussive hits can feel “slower” or “faster.”
phase differences between left/right channels and within the frequency spectrum affect soundstage width, depth, and the perception of instrument placement. even a few millimeters change how reflections combine and where the peaks/nulls in amplitude occur, effectively altering the phase response at the eardrum.

>>106781839
>every multi driver pos has crossover induced phase shifts.
that is not a demonstration
>BAs have mechanical resonance and delayed output relative to dynamic drivers.
not a demonstration
Do you not know what a "demonstration" is? Reiterating points chatGPT told you is not a demonstration.
>even with a single DD, damping, enclosure, and bore differences produce minor non-minimum phase behavior enough to affect transients and spatial perception
Demonstrably false. saying this will not make it so... You get that right?
>you keep ignoring this: This is why two eq-matched pos can sound different despite identical magnitude FRs
That's a conjecture. When did you demonstrate it? I addressed this dumbass point SEVERAL times. That's the opposite of "ignoring it"

it's not just FR, apparently.

>>106781893
why don't you demonstrate your mouth onto my balls and concede?

>>106781850
>Speaker physics and IEM physics are both LTI problems; the scale differs but the principles of phase and temporal smearing are the same.
this is wrong BECAUSE principles are the same... Scale is literally why it matters. Because you can sense the time domain you can hear misalignment and reflections. This is not the case for IEMs. Because time domain is rendered IRRELEVANT.
>Closeness reduces absolute delay but does not eliminate interference, ringing, or group delay artifacts.
chat gpt wrote it
you think I can't tell?

>>106781839
>>106781886
>retard still EQs by graph
When you EQ by ear the sound is the same. When you match two graphs with autoeq the sound is different not because there's something more than FR. It's different because you're retarded.

>>106781813
we learned that sound is pressure, but how that pressure arrives actually matters. everything else is just arguing over words.

>they think EQ can mimic bone conductor techs and shell vibration
funny day

>>106781813
that nobody has ever or will ever read the eq guide

>>106781886
>“changing phase at the eardrum” just means altering the timing relationships between different frequency components of the sound wave as it arrives at your eardrum
So it just means FR that arrives at your eardrum is different... so in the end it's just FR again. So you proved yourself wrong again. Now what?
>reflections inside the canal and off the pinna can cause certain frequencies to reinforce or cancel each other
that's just FR
also chatGPT wrote this
>when it comes to transient behavior, slight shifts in arrival time of different components affect how sharp or smoothed a transient feels. that’s why percussive hits can feel “slower” or “faster.”
also FR and also chatgpt wrote it
>phase differences between left/right channels and within the frequency spectrum affect soundstage width, depth, and the perception of instrument placement.
chat gpt wrote it
why would there be "phase differences" between left and right channels hm? HHHMMMM?
>even a few millimeters change how reflections combine and where the peaks/nulls in amplitude occur, effectively altering the phase response at the eardrum.
phase response at the eardrum? hehehe

>>106781952
Finally something chatgpt doesn't know about. These are real techs, but they're a meme.

>>106781910
>you think I can't tell?
you don't know shit about fuck and an LLM is making you squirm. this is what you get for allowing weeks of spam and bait from all the refugees. might do this again tonight :)

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>>106780260
Where's the subwoofer?

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No worries friends, the veteran acoustic engineers at Moondrop and Tanchjim have you covered unlike other competitors. The latest in cutting edge research and development tools form the foundation of our products. Our fanbase consists of those who care about the finer details of transient speed, phase alignment, and crossover implementation. If you care about those and don't own our flagship quality products, well you're fucking retarded.

>>106781932
>but how that pressure arrives
Name 1 way the pressure arrives other than through your ear canal.

>>106781965
>can't afford UM Mest therefore it's meme

>>106781909
How is THIS not a concession?
You really REALLY want for 2 "sets" to sound different when they measure the same after EQ...
But.. you've never done it... you've never conducted listening tests... you've never measured anything in your life other than your tiny penis.
All of that delusions will not be able to prove that FR is not everything or that IEMs are not minimum phase.
Also you really really should stop talking to chatGPT. It makes you even more retarded than you already are,.

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A bunch of hoopla and nonsense? No, our discerning customers recognize the painstaking effort that goes into the acoustic engineering of our products. Competitors pale in comparison to the analysis carried out with care and dedication for each of our releases.

>>106781984
Make a version without BA pos and I'll consider it.

>>106781988
bro the delusion is thinking your thoughts.

>>106781932
does it tho? does it matter? you can't do anything about how it actually arrives at your eardrum... other than EQ all the retarded shit that gets introduced by your wax infested ear canals

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Does your IEM have these charts and numbers and shit? No? Well you're wasting your time with some inferior shit with zero techs dumbass!

>>106781952
but slamming your head into a wall can, so?

>"OH MY GOD WHY CAN'T YOU JUST FUCKING PROVE IT?"
lol

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We're not just about the analysis and technical side of acoustics though. Herbert Zhang, CEO of Moondrop is an avid music aficionado. With reference class speaker rooms as an integral aspect of the design and development of our ear speakers, careful listening tests are conducted to ensure every product meets the highest standard of acoustic sonority.

>>106781968
brother you've been dunked on for using retarded LLMs so many fucking times. LLMs do not know shit lol. They are feeding you some retarded bullshit and you eat it up because you can't tell whether it tells you something accurate or not. You lack education, critical thinking skills and reading comprehension. Sorry but it is ultimate truth. LLMs can't educate you.
> this is what you get for allowing weeks of spam and bait from all the refugees. might do this again tonight :)
do you really think all the retarded shit you copied from chatgpt is in any way impressive for anyone? jeez...

>>106782015
those look pretty. I like charts and shit. no bullshit, either

>>106782015
>helmoltz resonator
does the origin have this too?

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Ahh, vintage sound from vinyl records. Every audiophile's dream setup. We here at Moondrop share such enthusiasm for the pure soul of music. It is intertwined into each of our products, lovingly crafted for the discerning audiophile. The latest in cutting edge research, the soul of generations of audio lovers.

>>106782061
jeeez laweeez!

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*pirates your non-minimum phase IEM*
Nothing personal.

>>106781969
they have decent bass extension down to like 50 Hz

>>106782009
you have no rebuttal probably because chatGPT told you "yeah that's fair lol"

>>106782090
Gay.

>>106782088
easy on a coupler
impossible in your ear

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>>106782115
Skill issue.

>>106782042
>careful listening tests are conducted to ensure every product meets the highest standard of acoustic sonority.
What does "careful listening tests" entail exactly?

>>106782078
that's what I'm saying every time I see another paragraph copied from chatGPT yeah

>>106782119
not even apple/bose DSP can fix the response above 2k but an iemg monkey thinks it's possible

>>106782042
Who the fuck listens to music lmao
We just buy audio equipment to listen to reviews of audio equipment

Hey dumb chatGPT faggot. Riddle me this.
We have 2 IEM sets. We can EQ them so they graph the same (let's even say on 5128). But in ears they sound different. BUT we also can EQ them by ear and they will sound the same... but graph differently... So what do you think does this mean?

>>106782161
>niggas that trust their ears when they have to EQ by ear

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>>106782140
Senior acoustic engineers with decades of experience in high end audio listening to our products of course! It goes beyond measurements and technical analysis. With reference class speaker setups as our basis of comparison, we aim to deliver the true Hi-Fi experience to our customers in our ear speakers. The timbre of a guitar string pluck, the sweetness of a female's vocals. We know this cannot all be captured in a silly frequency response graph. So we listen, iterate, and listen again, to ensure every product faithfully reproduces the intended sound.

>>106782161
Can you elaborate?

>>106781994
>>106782015
if the origins have helmholtz resonator i can tell they were just trying to make us deaf

>>106782177
oh so it's meaningless then? how about trying to conduct listening tests with actual end users??? dumbasses.
Will your retarded acoustic engineers be buying your shit???
Read up on scientific method while you are at it.
>b-but we were VERY careful
SHUT UP
> to ensure every product faithfully reproduces the intended sound.
if that was true your every pos would have the same FR

>>106782187
Airpoos measure the FR in your actual ear while the music is playing and adjusts it. That's what "priming" the airpods before measurement means and that's how they have the same bass in 711 and in 5128. But obviously the precision falls the higher the frequency, just like with ANC.

>>106781784
To be fair not every squig has it.

>>106782243
And all it does is EQ. No audiophile mumbo jumbo.

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>>106782228
>would have the same FR
That is a very reductionist take my friend! While we take seriously the acoustic measurement indices of our products, part of my message was that in addition to those, we conduct listening experiments. There is of course, the human factor, which every audiophile recognizes and respects! Our ears are not tubes, and we know this as fellow audiophiles. Moondrop and Tanchjim products look down from great heights onto the novice companies who only display a frequency response graph as if it tells the quality of a product.

>>106782243
so...? How is this an argument for /iemg/ inability to EQ higher frequencies by ear? that's pretty much the only way to EQ them

>>106782297
Not him. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>106782291
it doesn't matter if it's reductionist or not. You IEMs were not verified by listening tests. Meaning you have no idea how population would rate them.
Start conducting proper research.

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>>106782187
>picrel normal pos vs active airpods compensating for ear canal response till 2k
after that, the length modes will behave as normal iems... you can't EQ that behavior for different depths and expect to match it 1:1 just as the coupler example that you've shown... so it's not the same FR

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Truly it is only the most ascended and discerning of audiophiles who enjoy our products.
Do you even know about Young's modulus and internal resistance coefficient? Of course you don't silly! But we are not so pretentious.
We humbly invite you to explore the true depth and soul of sound through our robust line-up of in ear monitors.

>>106781008
Truthear zero blue 2 should sound similar, and big head probably means big ear canals so you shouldn't have issues with the nozzles.

>>106782331
>you can't EQ that behavior for different depths and expect to match it 1:1
You personally can't. I can EQ two different IEMs and put one in one ear and the other in the other ear and they will sound the same. Of course their graphs will be different - but that's how it works.

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>>106782320
You are welcome to attend any of the many shows and exhibitions we are present at and share your critiques of our products! Your input is appreciated and carefully considered by our diligent employees. If you're unable to attend, we recommend getting a job and not being a smelly Hikikomori! Haha

>>106782331
yeah but he said
>not even apple/bose DSP can fix the response above 2k
it is so for OBVIOUS reasons... It is not an argument for inability to EQ by ear...

>>106782396
>You are welcome to attend any of the many shows and exhibitions we are present at and share your critiques of our products
that is not how listening tests are conducted. My "critiques" are irrelevant.

are any of you an audio engineer?

>>106782345
>drop pos
>driver shatters

>>106782392
>>106782409
eqing by ear doesn't mean jackshit for the argument, you're not proving they are the same with objective data, it's just trust me at this point

The Jeet mind literally can't comprehend the time domain.

>>106782435
Just admit you're deaf and move on.

>>106782396
Only if there's free estrogen bottles on the table.

>>106782445
just admit you can't provide any empirical evidence, and when you insert it deeper by 1mm it won't match anymore

>>106782456
Don't insert it deeper, simple as.

>I EQ by ear and they're the same, trust bro
this is the level of iemg

>he doesn't EQ by ear
Lol. Lmao even.

>strawman due to lack of empirical evidence

>>106782392
>I can EQ two different IEMs and put one in one ear and the other in the other ear and they will sound the same.
I actually did that with wyverns black remaster and daybreaks and they were pretty close. And I didn't even need to go above and beyond to do it. I wonder if people who say that you can't do it actually ever tried to...

>>106782435
>you're not proving they are the same with objective data
what does it even mean? If you used in ear mic you'd probably see that they are mostly the same yeah
>it's just trust me at this point
more like you lost

>>106782485
close =/= same

Graphs are killing this hobby

>>106782456
>when you insert it deeper
...what do you think that's an argument for? You can insert any IEM 1mm deeper and it will change its FR at the eardrum.
Stop saying irrelevant meaningless shit

>>106782505
It's not a hobby.

>>106782494
>>106782507
your argument is that you can match it up 1:1 by ear, but there's no evidence it's 1:1 at your eardrum. it's just you saying things anecdotally, which is embarrassing at this point. and again close =/= same

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>>106782505
We at Moondrop and Tanchjim can empathize with your feelings! In the hustle and bustle of our modern lifestyles, the soul and character of a product is often overlooked. Not so by us. Every aspect of packaging, design, and the user experience is accounted for. Our premium flagship-grade products ooze luxury and refinement. For audiophiles, by audiophiles.

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>>106782524
The evidence is that I heard it.

>>106782504
Well fully matching them wasn't really my goal. I just did it as quick comparison while testing daybreaks. Matching things by ear is really not that hard...

>>106782536
you're not that different from cable and source believers hehe

>>106782541
>anecdotal evidence
not useful

>>106782545
Completely opposite. They seek a difference in everything, I eliminate it. So I don't need to perform humiliation rituals for "sound quality"

>>106782524
>your argument is that you can match it up 1:1 by ear
anyone with a brain can.
>but there's no evidence it's 1:1 at your eardrum
there can be. do you even have IEMs or you sold your used simgot and just shitposting?
What exactly would stop me from matching them by ear 1 to 1 lol
>it's just you saying things anecdotally
there's literally research about exact this thing. of course you are not aware because chatGPT didn't tell you... Actually go ask it maybe it'll give you a link. (or you are out of free prompts lmao?)
>and again close =/= same
what's the difference? Do you get that when 2 pos measure the same it means they sound the same... for a rig they were measured on? If your head was a rig (well it lacks a brain just like a rig does tho sadly it also lacs mics and measuring hardware) same exact thing would apply. Thing that measure the same for your head will be heard the same

>>106782591
it's lmzo or hydrozo
peak pos = peak retard. who'd 've thunk

>>106782563
WELL I'm just sharing my anecdote with you retards???
The fuck is your problem

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>he thinks things need to be 1:1 at the eardrum to sound the same
Your ear is not as good as a microphone bro. Know your place. An all-pass filter will completely mangle the response at the eardrum but will sound the same.

ok if all of you are so smart how do i achieve soundstage in iems

>>106782625
soundstage is a term properly used for room speakers.
it is a misnomer, and misused when discussing headphones or iems.

>>106782619
microphone is irrelevant went it sounds completely different when it reaches ear and doubly so when brain process and tries to interpret it COMPLETELY different do you HEAR me?

Looking for a PMP and just wanted to check if the Astell Kern can do the following please:

>play directly from folders as that's how I store my playlists
>queue songs
>has a search function
>no wifi

Was looking at the SR35 or Kann Ultra, prefer the Ultra as it doesn't have that stupid angle to the screen. I have a Sony NW-A55, but it doesn't have the search function so I've been using my phone.

>>106782625
fuck with FR until you hear soundstage

>>106782653
look up yt reviews. nobody here really cares about a&k players

>>106782643
You don't even understand how two different things can sound the same, let alone how two same things can sound different. Ask chatgpt or something.

>>106782625
When you try to place certain sounds off center.

EDC Pro + EQ is all you'll ever need in life.

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>>106782677
I need more.

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>>106782656
would something like a semi open back shell fuck with the FR in a good way?

>>106782688
Averi will never be real on the other hand.

>>106782634
It is literally in the name - stage. A stage is in front of you. Not around you like headpos/IEM users are coping. Only speakers have* that.
*when they're in a room
**when you know what the room sounds like
***if you try binaural recording them it will only work at the spot you recorded them at

>>106782713
>coping
Ironic

>>106782605
hasn't posted since >>106782078
so everything past that are other people arguing.

>>106782042
Why did people put expensive amplifiers on the floor like this where they look like anus?

are there any decent lightning connector DACs other than official fagple ones?

Im gonna buy the moondrop kadenz.
I wanted the kato for many years but its been discontinued

>>106782591
>anyone with a brain can.
anyone can claim anything anecdotally
>What exactly would stop me from matching them by ear 1 to 1 lol
dips and peaks in the treble, insertion depth difference, no measurements to confirm, etc
>there's literally research about exact this thing. of course you are not aware because chatGPT didn't tell you... Actually go ask it maybe it'll give you a link. (or you are out of free prompts lmao?)
citation needed, but ur chatgpt citation is probably fake
>what's the difference?
empirical vs anecdotal evidence, pretty simple actually, but you're using ad-hominem so you've already lost

i know yall hate me for it but some iems just ''spread out better'' than others, yes yes, its FR, its nozzle, its tip, its whatever, i just dont think i can tune an akg x samsung to sound as spacious as some others i have

but yeah all of them are pretty claustrophobic compared to real speakers, i just think theres a nice difference that gets lost to this general over just using the word ''soundstage''

>>106782775
You are probably overpaying a bit because the Aria is basically the same but if you like how it looks knock yourself out.

>my objective truth is the only thing that matters in this subjective hobby

>>106782696
open back IEMs are not real
so no

>>106782774
Itoddlers problems
ijeets BTFO

>>106782774
sure, but fyi lightning connection imposes power limitation (iirc 1vrms) on any DAC regardless of it's specifications for output via USB-C. so a 4.4 balanced dac dongle *should* output 4vrms, but will not when attached to your iphone. legit is an itoddler btfo situation

>>106782776
>anyone can claim anything anecdotally
the claim that "2 set EQed to each other will measure the same but sound different" is not even anecdotal but a conjecture nobody (who says that) even tried to check.
>dips and peaks in the treble, insertion depth difference, no measurements to confirm, etc
I don't see how that will stop me if I can EQ it. Only thing I'd say is when tips are too different iems will just not feel the same inside your ear and it can be problematic to match them.
>no measurements to confirm
confirm what lol? if they sound the same they sound the same.
>citation needed, but ur chatgpt citation is probably fake
what? it is funny that you are unware of modern research and still trying to argue... Why? you are ignorant and uneducated. how about dealing with your ignorance first before trying to argue about pos matching
>empirical vs anecdotal evidence
meaningless. you do not even know what kind of empirical evidence exist in the first place.
You are avoiding the question tho and this is not an answer. What's the difference between "same" and "close"?
>but you're using ad-hominem so you've already lost
faggot START of this conversation was ad-hominem from you lmao
how retarded can you be???

>>106782854
i'm well aware of that, i'm just looking for something cheap that won't break after a week, not sure if i should go for some jcally from ali or something else.

>>106782787
>i just dont think i can tune an akg x samsung to sound as spacious as some others i have
sure you personally can't, I on the other hand of course can.
And there's nothing wrong with that
>but yeah all of them are pretty claustrophobic compared to real speakers, i just think theres a nice difference that gets lost to this general over just using the word ''soundstage''
because HRTF and how your ear and brain react to sound is a complicated thing. retards here do not want to hear it and cry about driver quality and dumb shit like that. But fact of the matter is - shit is so complicated gigantic differences are being introduced long before dumb shit like "driver quality" becomes even remotely relevant.
For soundstage specifically - obviously IEMs do not have a real sound stage. But illusion of it can be created by the brain. What brain reacts to to create it? It's up to individual and really hard to tell what specifically can trigger it. Some people have no problem with EQing "soundstage" in other won't ever hear it. This field needs tons more research that nobody is really doing. And no "spatial audio" is not it either.
From a technical perspective only way you can do spatial audio with IEMs is head tracking. It's whooole different area than soundstage people are talking about relative to IEMs

is there even a point in buying IEMs if my cellular telephone is a $150 motorola
it has a 3.5mm jack but eh

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Now that is an IEM.

>"my ears hear more than FR"
>can't even hear the FR
Many such cases.

>>106782916
if you're shopping cheap shit, not much to decide. they all can break in a week. ones with replaceable cable are slightly better for longevity, but cost for replacement cable is still ~$10 if/when you need it

>>106782938
bro it's fine. cheap 1dd, no problem, enjoy listening via your phone

>>106782879
i ain't reading it, but u lose

>>106782967
it would've been fine if they didn't try to push their delusions on normal people...

EQ Guide is DEAD.
https://youtu.be/4k8o3fUL9K8

>>106782991
w-woah what a strong argument you have there champ

>>106782854
yeah whatever nigger, he asked for any good DAC models, he didn't ask how they work, so stay mad u poor bitch with some ximi ching chong phone that lags 5 minutes after being bought

>>106783000
>hifiendgame has more subs
shittur lost
beyergoblin asmr won

>>106783000
>buzzcut and getting jacked
/ourguy/ is chudmaxxing

>>106782791
Its gotta be than the aria right?

Would a different driver coating affect sound despite the IEMs having the same FR?

>>106783129
refer to our in-depth diaphragm materials copypasta. original research by years of anons

>>106783129
sound = FR

>>106783173
not what anon asked, retard

>>106783000
i'll need a tldr on that one

>>106783129
short answer is no

>>106783189
Pajeet takes a dip in shit infested Ganges river and comes out deaf.

>>106783189
It shows how to move sliders...
As if that was the difficulty of EQ...
Maybe for some retards ITT...

>>106783184
it is if you had any level of reading comprehension
driver coating will affect sound by affecting FR

>>106783000
eargain slider is not "mids" slider

>>106783000
he has a blonde gf btw

>>106783129
If you had the skills necessary to achieve the same FR you wouldn't be asking this.

>>106783000
hm.. are there system wide EQ solutions with interface like this?

is wanker more comfortable than zero 2

>>106780446
>$800 phone
>$20 earphones
lol

>>106783274
No. Pretty awkward shape.

>>106783274
in most cases yeah

>>106783258
for windows EQ APO + VST (Pro-Q 4, DMG Audio EQuilibrium, etc)

>>106783000
uuugh wait actually isn't this pretty good?
doing EQ via randomized listening test is not a bad idea??

>newfags just discovering streetshitting peqdb
beautiful thing to witness

No one reads your guide lil bro

>>106783355
what guide?

>>106783281
Better than nothing but quite limited. It's his 3rd attempt. If he had 4 better placed sliders you wouldn't even need to select the model.

>>106783361
Exactly

>>106783368
>>106783331

>>106783281
zero 2 measure perfectly

>>106783355
>>106783361
>>106783369
Your thread died bro. Let it go.

>>106783389
what thread?

>>106783393
Exactly.

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>>106783281
>>106783379
The more you pay the worse it gets.

>>106783435
>>106783435
>>106783435

>not even 12 hours
>bump limit
haven't seen this level of activity (autism) since chuzo

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>>106782090
that spec is highly misleading, they can't produce meaningful SPL at 50 Hz (note that this is already the bigger version with 2 woofers)

>>106783587
Now try again, with the actual speakers I own

>no you're not allowed to eq by ear
i just bass boost until it clips nigga and nerf treble ranges until it stops being ear rape
simple as