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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

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COMMON LIES BEING PERPETRATED BY TROLLS AND SHILLS ITT DEBOONKED 1/2

>RADEON HAS BAD DRIVERS!!!
They have been fine for years and have the same amount of problems that Nvidia drivers have or less. Most problems occur with productivity applications which is why Radeon gpus are not recommended for workstations. If you are just gaming you are unlikely to ever have any issues, especially if you only update to the latest driver when you need to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lv4-poQOyo

In contrast for the first few months Blackwell had major driver issues that are only now mostly fixed. Premium day one GeForce buyers that paid the nviditax had a worse early adopter experience than Radeon buyers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA

>RADEON HAS CPU OVERHEAD!!!!
It does not. Nvidishills likes to spam charts of cherry picked DX 11 games like KCD that do not play well with radeon but in reality if anything Nvidia has a worse overhead in CPU limited scenarios. Screenshot and videos below for proof.
https://imgur.com/a/A5MIHM6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiElNex2OC0&t=210s [Embed]
Radeon "CPU Overhead" in Warzone chart that the Nvidishill used to spam debunked: https://imgur.com/a/yy3MZRS

>9000 SERIES MSRP AND SUPPLY WAS A LIE!!!
Nvidia normally supplies over half of the market, this time they made almost no GPU's and AMD despite making a large amount of cards is unable to fufill all of this demand effectively. The result is a low supply high demand market and increased prices. However besides the US which is also impacted by tariffs the 9070 XT in many regions with some effort can be purchased for around 700 dollars or less. The card will likely go back down to MSRP around January next year when the Supers from Nvidia come out to remain competitive.

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>>106923000
2/2

>FSR4 IS IN NO GAMES!!!
Almost every game that has upscaling can be easily modded with Optiscaler to support FSR4. The result is better than native image quality in games with bad TAA. Cyberpunk 2077 before native support was added could be modded with Optiscaler, the game can run ultra RT at 80-90 fps and 50-60 fps pathtracing with good image quality using FSR4 on quality mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNzI-TBV--A
https://github.com/cdozdil/OptiScaler

Native FSR4 integration will get better into the future with many games planned to have support added this year. Because of AMD's collaboration with Sony on Project Amethyst and PSSR it's likely that all future games with a console release will have FSR4 on PC.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/the-amd-x-sony-collab-gave-us-fsr4-and-a-version-will-appear-in-playstation-next-year-too-having-already-started-to-implement-the-new-neural-network-on-ps5-pro/

>WHERE ARE OTHER FEATURES TO MATCH NVIDIA AND WHY IS PT PERFOMANCE WORSE?!?!
FSR Redstone which is coming out before the end of the year should noticeably improve Pathtracing perfomance and match nearly all Nvidia features such as Ray Reconstruction and AI Framegen.
https://videocardz.com/newz/fsr-redstone-on-track-amd-promises-dedicated-presentation

>ZEN 5 IS MELTING ON ASROCK!!!!!!!
There is no conclusive evidence for what the cause is yet. Zen 5 and the 9800X3D in particular have sold very well and most people haven't had any issues. It's possible there was a bad batch of processors and ASRock motherboards have BIOS settings that are worsening the problem, or the fault may entirely be with ASRock, there isn't enough information to make any kind of conclusion yet. For now just avoid ASRock boards to be safe and you will likely be fine like the thousands of other people who have bought and used these CPUs for months with no problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFYPnT_AQLk

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*tick tock tick tock tick tock
Can you hear that? The time of core-let "muh l3" cope is coming to an end. Soon the natural order of Intel supremacy will be restored.
Buy a 285k and z890 motherboard now and perhaps you will be spared

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>106923093
Kill yourself retard

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What's the chance WW3/Economic collapse is coming up and we are on the last opportunity to buy good PC parts?

>>106923093
Giving me 10850k vs 5600x flashbacks
faster and more cores for same price or less
amd used to give moar coars for less (and slower), now they offer less cores for more
8 core shit without anything added should be 200$ tops

>>106923114
>hub
lol
the intelschizo does have a point

>>106923116
less than you needing anxiety meds

I'm stuck between two motherboards - MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WiFi and Gigabyte X870 AORUS ELITE WiFi7. Anyone has some experience with any of these boards?

>>106923407
Try this instead : https://pcpartpicker.com/product/42grxr/msi-z890-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-lga1851-motherboard-z890-gaming-plus-wifi

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Hi friends
Some nigger stole my old laptop.
What would be a good factorio laptop?

Has anyone here ever modded the tempered glass on their case? I'm thinking of a wrap or something to prevent monitor reflections.

>>106923687
Yes. I got a can of that spray window frost stuff, and then on top of that layer I used a sharpie to write racial slurs and crude depictions of genitalia.

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>me when I remember the amd phase I went through when I first started with pc gaming (I was influenced by /g/, reddit, and youtubers)

I love my 9950x3d!

>>106923108
I'm not against getting a tv instead of a monitor but I'm a spacelet and my room is cramped as it is with my pc desk, but I can try and rearrange stuff to fit a tv.
I guess the consensus is upgrade my display rather than my cpu.

4080 super or 5070ti? if so which model?

>>106923895
>5070ti
this one
>model?
any of them, whichever is cheapest and if there's more than 1 at that price point pick based off aesthetics if anything.

>>106923889
it goes gpu then display then cpu

>>106923813
Pics?

>>106918221
4k I can just get the cheapest cpu huh? 7600x is 140 vs the 7800x3d at 300 or 450 9800x3d

AMD equivalent to a GTX 1070?
That would be the RX Vega-56 or the RX 5600-XT, right?

I want to use Wayland but it doesn't like my nvidia card, so I need to replace it with an amd card that won't get bottle-necked too hard by my Skylake 6700K.

Does undervolting and power limit to 90% prevent GPU power draw spiking?
Nasty stuff that even a RTX 5070 has up to 500Watts 1-5 ms spikes.
Same with the RX9070.

This kills my PSU...

what happens when more games like BF6 start becoming heavily multithreaded too? What would be the best CPU to buy now for the future

>>106923905
nothing has any heating/cooling problems? last I heard gigabyte had thermal gel issues and Asus apparently doesnt cool well. but thats just what I heard

>>106924168
v56 is actually closer to a 1080 now, especially on linux
>>106924179
>Nasty stuff that even a RTX 5070 has up to 500Watts 1-5 ms spikes.
That's retarded. Maybe the 9070 and 5070ti I could see it

What's the actual difference between the same gpu being built in multiple models by a manufacturer? They just all have flashy names that don't actually explain how they're different.

>>106924338
there's no difference same silicon

>>106924338
same boards and silicon just aesthetic heatsinks and coolers

What are the best monitor brands? I currently check BenQ, MSI, Gigabyte, and AOC monitors but was wondering what else you /g/uys liked.

>>106923968
I have a 9070xt so it should be about enough for 4k, I think. cpu is an i5 12400, and display is 27" 1440p ips

>>106923858
Fx was utter shit and AMD should've just made a 32nm phenom III platform with PCIE3 support, but polaris was one of their best graphics arches and should've gotten a larger die 1080 competitor with 10gb GDDR5 instead of wasting resources to try and make HBM commercially viable for gamers.

pls tell me hes aware of how retarded he looks when he always end up shilling core ultras after the end of any "talk"
im 99% sure both anti-amd nigger and providianigger are the same retard playing both sides for the sole purpose of (you) mining

>>106924179
Power spikes shouldn't hit the PSU since capacitors near the core absorbs the spikes

>>106924338
They're the same thing
They don't even bin the chips nowadays outside of special edition products like the Asus matrix

lol Hardware Unboxed shit-talked Frame Chasers

Which motherboard, processor, graphics card, RAM type, case, power supply, keyboard, and mouse would be ideal for building an anti-gaming PC?

Basically, I want to build a PC that gives me the impression of a person who hates Steam, hates Valve, hates Gabe Newell, and hates PC gaming.

>>106925258
14100, DDR4 motherboard, 8gb 2133 ram (single dimm), HDD, 300w psu, no GPU, cheapest mouse you can find.

>>106925283
Thanks
And any operating system you recommend?

Just give it to me straight so I can stop agonizing, should I avoid 4k with a 9070xt/9800x3d build? I don't play competitive games, I don't cry about getting 60fps and I don't mind turning down settings or using fsr, that's the only reason I'd even consider it.

>>106925363
if you dont care about the worse performance 4k does look nice

>>106925254
>goy chasers
kinda bizarre this place (as in only him) shits on hardware unboxed or gaymer nexus but praises pugdget systems (literal intlel insiders) frame chasers (the intlel pasta materialized as a youtube channel), that retarded owen guy that i forgot its full name, that one other retard that everyone replies with buy an ad jew, among others im forgetting

>>106923116
I did that with my last build on 7950x 7900xtx DDR5. Now DDR6 is coming out for AM6. I really could have waited to upgrade from my 4770k DDR3, 1080 platform.

>>106925344
windows 11

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my ears will be reaching flavortown tomorrow

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>>106925494
holy shit this thing is huge

>>106925527
UUUU

I have a 2016 pc with a 1070, some kind of i7 processor, a 750 watt power supply, 16 gigs of ddr3 ram, all on an MSI z97 pc mate motherboard.

What would be a good upgrade? I can spend $2,000 and I live in America.
I was reading these threads and a comment made me think, it went along the lines of, "they don't even know what to do with or need all of the fancy new stuff" and it got me thinking. I don't program, I don't render or do art or editing. I just watch YouTube and play games and shitpost. And it's not like I need to see the sweat in nigger spiderman's face with 1100% more anti-ailiasing or 900% more accurate God rays.
I play total war and indie games. I think the most demanding fame I've played is warhammer 2 or doom eternal. All perfectly fine with what I have on my 2k Acer monitor.
So maybe I don't need to spend $2000 unless it will future proof me for a good long while. Of course a 5070 ti sounds nice... but that's like half of the budget.

I only ask because that pc I listed won't display. I'm trying to fix it but I don't know what the problem is. It shows all signs of life, the monitor works... I don't know what changed since I changed rhe thermal paste (for the first time...)

>>106925690
shut up retard just get a 9800x3d and 5070ti + whatever other mobo and ram fits b850

>>106923022
Are/were you the /biz/ "oooohhhhhh linkies!" spammer?

>>106925690
Oh yeah and 2 tb hard drive and a 256 gig ssd (it was the style at the time).

>>106923687
Buy a normal case.

>>106925494
Explain this to me and my $300 senheisers listening to some castlevania aria of sorrow mp3s who has kept his volume bar below 25% for the entirety of my computer's existence (and porn at 1-3 bars on the little volume slider because of how loud it is).

>>106925792
clearer audio
wider soundstage
higher resolution
r2r for NOS/OS

>>106923093
How trolly is this? Just bought a 9800x3d for my first build. I don't do anything besides gaming, should I swap to intel are they actually better or is it a sidegrade kind of deal?

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>>106925690
Here is something to work with; the PSU is a bit overkill. I don't care which video card you get.
The CPU might appear weak with 6 cores, but you don't need more™ for your use case and performance expectations.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ncy94p

These are the 9070 XT or 5070 Ti models I'd buy today. The cheaper 5070 Ti cards have thinner coolers.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WcHp99/asus-prime-oc-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16-gb-video-card-prime-rx9070xt-o16g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/L8rp99/zotac-gaming-solid-core-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16-gb-video-card-zt-b50710d2-10p

>>106925792
you can hear what your favorite singer ate for dinner last night with a higher quality amp/dac

>>106923407
I trust MSI, been using them forever never did me wrong.

>>106923407
get msi, they are usually up to date with BIOS updates and such, Ive been using Gigabyte for a few months now and its ok but they dont update as often as id like. Im basically waiting for a BTF board or a x870 Project zero board.

ive been using edifier r1280db for 7 years or so, is there something i could upgrade to and possibly in a smaller size? i cant imagine something better as i really enjoy the audio quality coming from them..

>>106925373
Bugchaser's just busy farming his audience. Anyone who falls for his lies kinda deserve it

2k oled @>144 or 4k ips @144?

>>106925968
Depends on the games you play, 1440p if you play more competitive shooters.

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>mfw i just sacrificed my firstborn child to moloch in the njudean temple underneath micro-center and Jensen himself gave me a limited edition RTX card with his signature in return

>>106925817
It's memery for butthurt and stockholm'd intel fanbois
Maybe it'll be OK, maybe it'll just die do 'intel spec' overvolting again, who knows.

I think it's great that intel maybe stops being shit after almost a decade of getting buttfucked by ryzen.
Competition is good for us customers,and none of us here are retarded fanbois, right?

>>106926078
Did you read the fine print where it says Jensen can now come to your house and fuck you, your wife and your sister?

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I just had a displayport cable fail on me. Ive never had it happen before, and I didnt think it really happened that much.

Bought a 240hz Dell monitor 4 years ago, used continuously on PC till 6 months ago I built a new rig.

So with occasional cleaning, and then swapping to my new PC, its been plugged and unplugged maybe 10 times total in its life. I get cables fail from heavy plugging, but this has sat untouched.

Last week my screen just started flickering, it wouldnt run at 240hz, and after troublershooting and drivers and everything else, I finally swapped the cable.
Monitor is flawless again.

Lesson learned, I guess its still 4 years of use even if its gentle use.

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I'm looking to upgrade from my decade-old i3 potato without breaking the bank. Is $500 a decent price for a used PC with these specs?
>Ryzen 7 3700X
>32GB DDR4 RAM
>RTX 2060 6GB
>1TB NVMe SSD + 2TB HDD

>>106925817
9800x3d is the best processor for gaming, it's everywhere else that it usually falls apart.
If that's all you care about then whatever.
>>106926082
Alder Lake and Raptor Lake was/are fucking great, what are you talking about a decade?
>>106926177
Kind of a gyp just from the performance perspective but if you don't want to build yourself it's probably not getting much better than that

>>106926082
I had always used intel before this is going to be my first AMD cpu. Hope it's worth it.

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>>106926215
Sad to say the PC parts marketplace in my cunt is very gyppy. Brand new, a 16GB RAM, Ryzen 7 5700G rig with no GPU goes for the equivalent of $664.69.
I did come across this intriguing offer: a pre-delidded Ryzen 9 7950X for a mere $377. It's stated to be fully working, but it does seem like a rather big gamble.

>>106926078
>Getting so yfaced over a 380mm2 die
>On a Zotac pcb
Could never be me

>>106924936
>try and make HBM commercially viable for gamers.
AMD were genuinely crazy lol

>>106925363
Of course play at 4K. There is nothing a 1440p coper or 1080poorfag could ever say to make anyone stop 4K gaming.

>>106925712
moron

>>106924936
Hey their efforts in kick-starting hbm production eventually benefitted Nvidia bigly!

>>106925690
>Of course a 5070 ti sounds nice... but that's like half of the budget.
And that is accurate. 50% of your budget should be GPU and you build the rest of your rig around that

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285K is aging like fine wine

>>106926227
My first AMD is the 7700X, it's great.

>>106926292
It was already overriped when it launched

>>106926177
$500 will buy you that same PC

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OK, guys. My GPU is fucked.
Or maybe the memory.

This is what it looks like in Windows, not in BIOS or the splash screen though.
Any guesses? Memory shitting itself? GPU fucked?

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I want to put three monitors on arms, does anyone have suggestions for a decent set up?
Should I buy a triple arm or a double and a single?
Three singles?

Can I flash my motherboard bios update but do the actual build later? Or should I only do it right before I'm about to build? I wanted to do it early so then I could use that flash drive to get some other stuff since I know you have to wipe the drive to do the bios flash.

>>106926417
Yes, you can flash in your mobo your bios with just the motherboard power cable (the 24 pin one) on it if you can bios flashback it. You don't even need to have the CPU installed.

>>106926464
Sorry guess I didn't make it clear enough. I want to do the flash update and then wait a week or two to do the actual build. Will it be ok or does it only last a certain amount of time or something? Maybe it's a stupid question I dunno.

>>106922963
I found out yesterday my PC isn't actually properly grounded which means any microphone I plug into the MB from the front or the back basically doesn't work. Would an USB mic fix this?

>>106924656
Don't leave out Asrock, viewsonic and Acer. I bought LG, didn't know better, but its good. I bought viewsonic which is pretty good.

>>106924936
Amd was making hbm for end users because of competition from njudea. I wish they still did hbm on high end consumer.

>>106926351
GPU, I think, try with different GPU or igpu.

>>106926469
As long as you don't clear your cmos or mess with the little coin battery, your mobo will remember whatever firmware it has for years.

>>106925833
What would a 1070 be on those charts?

>>106926551
40-50% of their performance

>>106926551
9070XT 5070Ti are 4 times more powerful

she should give me her socks

>>106926551
I just googled it and the AI must sure love money. Gassing me up saying a $2000 pc from 2016 to now is a 3x to 10x leap. And it was using a 1080ti, not my little 1070... better ram too...

I also built it before Kaby lake or coffee lake motherboards too. Whatever the hell that meant. It was in the conversation at the time.
t. Millennial boomer

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I got a 4th small display (corsair xeneon edge) and apparently i cannot enable all 4 displays with my 4080. Is there any way around this or would i need a better GPU? I have the LG 5k2k, a 4k tv, and a 1440 screen plugged in usually. I can stop using any one of them but dont seem to be able to extend desktop to this display on all 4

>>106922963
Am I stupid for choosing the 4070 Super over the 5070? Both GPUs are only $50 different (5070 is slightly more expensive).

>>106926866
they are very close in term of performance, so not really, 4070 is also more power efficient
main difference is mfg

>>106926722
you might be able to use a custom resolutions to reduce the pixel clock load

>>106926636
>the AI must sure love money
I'm sure the people who built/own/control the AI all love money. That's literally why it exists.

>>106922963
Why would you pick 9600X, 7600X, 7500F over 12400f if you don't intend on upgrading? The performance is the same but AMD is more expensive, runs hotter and consumes more power.

>>106926996
12400 is 10% slower

>>106923527
>What would be a good factorio laptop?
Look at frame.work/laptop16
Not because it's especially suited to your game, any laptop with a good processor and loads of ram should be fine or at least as good as any other.
A modular laptop is probably kind of cool to own though and if you like factorio, you probably like quirky laptops too.

Otherwise, you need to be way more specific with your budget and side interests because you only "need" turing completeness and high numbers on CPU/RAM, your decision is based on aesthetics and peripheral functions.

>>106926722
Run it off of integrated graphics?

I tried lowering the 4k tv to 1080 and the xeneon to lower resolution but still cannot get all 3 to connect

>>106927027
I would, but i have a 13700KF so i dont have integrated graphics. Apparently that choice is biting me in the ass. I have a 2nd theater PC with a 5070ti i could try swapping cards but i would really rather not do that. Especially when i dont know if it will even work

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>>106926491
>GPU, I think, try with different GPU or igpu.
POSTs and Runs fine with iGPU, and a different GPU.
So yeah that graphics card is kill.

Could that be the VRAM? Because I managed to start a game and it ran for a bit before crashing to this, pic related.

If it is the VRAM I might find a repair shop to try and get the card fixed, it's only 2.5 years old.

>>106927060
may I ask which graphics card and power supply?

>>106927060
It's probably the vram that's fried
GPU core instability has different symptoms from what you're seeing

>>106927060
check if your card has a 3 year warranty first

>>106927060
Try another display output too.

>>106926722
You'll need another GPU.
nV only does 3 displays per GPU. A 'better' nV GPU won't give you any more.
Just get a cheapo used office GPU like a 1030 or RX460

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>>106925690
I was gonna make you a pcpartpicker list but this anon already did a super safe one >>106925833
so i will just endorse it.
On those 2k$ you can get a perfectly fine AM5 setup with the card of your choice and still have money to buy a new screen, since im assuming yours is as old as the rest of the computer.
And that setup will eat any total war game that releases in the next 10 years while also allowing you to play any demanding game.
Its a safe build, the only thing to consider is waiting to see if you can save some shekels during black friday in a month if you can wait.

>>106927067
PSU is a beQuiet Dark Power 12 750W
card is a RX 7900 XTX

>>106927099
PowerColor, they say 'local laws apply', and that means two years from date of purchase.

>>106927079
OK, thanks.

>>106927154
I have not yet tried all three DP outputs. I also have an older monitor I can try with the HDMI.

>>106927217
Try the other display outputs and try installing AMD driver without internet connection. Windows Update sends out borked driver updates all the time (they are partnered with NoVideo)
Is the display messed up in bios menu too?

>>106927233
>Is the display messed up in bios menu too?
Right I read your original post.
Try booting a linux livecd from your ventoy stick.

>>106927191
You mean I need a 2nd gpu no matter why nvidia gpu i had, even a 5090? I do have other gpus around like a 2070 but does putting 2 different gpus into a motherboard cause problems? Ive only seem 2 gpu setups that were sli before. The heat worries me since the 4080 wont have that much room but I guess I could try it. Not sure if its worth it or just return this thing.

>>106927191
Nvidia GPUs support up to four displays

>>106927292
check your mobo manual, some might share lanes

>>106927216
Oh yeah good point about black Friday.

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>>106927191
retardus maximus
4080 supports 4*4k120

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>>106927381
The build could also made leaner or beefier if you find that you are comfortable spending a bit more or saving some gold

>>106927060
>>106927217
artifacting like that usually means the gpu die itself has developed a fault and is dying/dead. Last time i saw that was well over a decade ago with an alienware laptop gpu. It did well considering though, over 5 years of heavy gaming with no dust cleaning.

>>106927060
sick wallpaper bro

>>106927520
Nah yours just desoldered itself. it would have been just fine after a reflow.

Can anyone reccomend a 1080p 24" monitor? I bought an AOC 24G4X and the brightness uniformity is very bad, even if i'm looking at it directly from the front i can see how dark the sides of the screen are compared to the center, i know that IPS monitors tend to have these issues but i don't think it should be this bad

>>106927538
No, you should not buy a low res screen

>>106925254
again? they haven't mentioned it since the ddr5 thing
at least not explicitly

>>106925373
nobody even talks about pudget systems or praises them they are not sloptubers
>that retarded owen guy that i forgot its full name
does he even mention anyone ever?
>that one other retard that everyone replies with buy an ad jew
the guy refusing to address any point made by FC and blindly sucks techtuber cock on the DaiLYYYYY basis

one simple fact remains and that is true, mainstream techtubers suck cocks, why are (You) goyims defending them day in and day out? if there is any shills here it's sloptuber shills

anyway

>>106925966
>small guy farm audience
bad
>large scale corpo techtuber farm
good

unless it's large scale company earning money niggas really go livid, why again?

also literally test it yourself

>>106926722
you are running dsc on 5k2k right, maybe on the tv too?
dsc takes up 2 lanes on the gpu display out
5000 series fixed this so it's just a single lane or whatever the fuck they called it
since no retard mentioned that, either buy new gpu or connect other display to something else

>>106927538
buying the cheapest low end displays and having standards?
crazy

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looks guise the monitor I was asking about in my region has been upgraded to no1 best seller
maybe I should take the 1440p 180hz ips 27" cheapo pill

>>106926482
HBM was not appreciably faster than good G5 back in the day (similar to currently HBM vs G7), a higher core count polaris die with a 320-bit bus would've had similar performance to v64 and been cheaper plus simpler to produce. The only use case for HBM is in pure compute acceleration and has little relevance in 99% of the market.

>>106927538
BenQ EX251 is decent.

>>106927765
But it's really really cool (not in the thermodynamic sense)

how much money do you think that nigga Manuel makes being the only front facing community rep for nvidia's gaming divison

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>>106927025
Thanks man, system76 is cool but I would prefer cheaper second hand laptops if possible.
I'm planning on reasonable megabasing and since I heard factorio needed fast ram and preferably an x3d processors, I thought this general could help me.
Apparently there's not many choices for portable x3d and they all look gay with rgb and lights everywhere.
Forgot to specify but you guessed well : anything amd is preferred because I'll be running linux.
So :
>fastest ram possible
>small, preferably less than 15" screen
>recent, energy-efficient cpu with big cache if possible
>amd if possible

>>106927838
Slaves aren't paid anon.

>>106927928
slaves actually do get paid though

>>106927917
I prefer AMD too but the new intel 140 integrated graphics are pretty good too and the core ultras actually have better single thread.
You aren't going to get an x3d in a laptop.

>>106927233
>>106927259
I gotta dig up a linux stick, and switch the borked card back into the system to check the other display outputs.

What's notable is that the login screen pic I posted first was with AMD drivers installed, I used the iGPU to install the AMD driver package.

>>106927520
Maybe. If it's the GPU itself, that's it. If it's the VRAM, maybe a shop can reflow solder in a new VRAM chip.

>>106927521
Just play some WoWS on your broken GPU and voilá you make some art.

>>106927699
which one is it?
btw i took that exact same pill and couldn't be happier
i went from a 60hz 24" 1920x1200 to a 180hz 27" 1440p and that might have been the best 180€ i spent on the whole computer. Also i get to keep the older screen as 2nd monitor

>>106927935
Not this one.

>>106925254
oh my gosh, really?!
i love internet drama
>>106927665
jufes melty

>>106922963
My chinkscreen is having problems. What do I do? Program keeps crashing.

>Indian pc parts company
>"While there aren't many major Indian companies that manufacture PC components, there are numerous Indian companies that are prominent retailers and builders of PC parts."
How can Sirs even into Superpower if they can not even build cheap? plastic fans?

QRD on that chink Huawei lotsaGB VRAM card?
Genuinely don't have the time to sink in to watch GN's video on it

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why we can't have a neutral op?
just list the best options for each existing brand, you can count them on your hands anyway

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yesterday
i asked
which one is better

7800x3d rtx 3060
or
7500f rtx 3090

i went for the first option
the seller is honest that the rtx 3090 went on mining 24/7 since 2021
lol where the 3060 was used for casual gaming

>>106927765
I might not know what I'm talking about. But I have seen inside design of an ai accelerator. At least on that hardware, it was io which is always the slowest. And anecdotally, while doing compiler optimizations and other optimizations, it was always io. HBM should always make it faster right?

>>106928300
There are already lots of companies doing chip design, we are getting a fab though, with UMC.

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>>106922963

>>106928661
I'd pick the second option. What is the problem with mining GPUs?

>>106928623
it's NEETs throwing shit at each other
>t. Rizzen and Novideo patrician

>>106928714
24/7 since 2021 is crazy

>>106928623
because autists have stronger focus and are more willing to camp a thread when its close to getting to red to prepare their shitty propaganda piece

>>106928700
Athlon > Ryzen

>>106928861
https://youtu.be/YYQSHXNFvUk?si=iXHOtzA8JHLBSHq9&t=54

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>>106928868
jesus

>>106923806
Is it pronounced Lion Lie or Leeon Lee?

>>106928971
Lien Lee

>>106928056
thomson M27QG5Y14
cheapest of it's tier i've seen here so far for 133€
the lenovo 27qe whatever was like 168€ last black friday or something there around prime days
which has been the second cheapest

I mean I want to buy a huge oled tv but I also want multiple monitors so idk

>>106928979
Big Chinese loanshark energy. I respect it.

>>106928997
Will have to check if my family has organised crims in the tree. I knew the gangs sided with the other side.

>Found out about Klevv whole browsing RAM
>Another HK brand
Really makes me wonder why their own ver of Silicon Valley, Cyberport did not work out.

Anyone using an MSI monitor? Does anyone even bother with
>AI
Vision?

>>106928358
datacenter dual gpu. only works on special OS not windows. doesn't support directx only vulkan and whatever proprietary api huawei uses.

>>106928714
that 3090 must have degraded vram by now. mining kills the vram chips.

>>106929130
A constant heavy load doesn't seem as stressful as gaming that causes frequent thermal cycling

>>106929181
those chips are hitting 110c and 24/7
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hwinfo64-adds-gddr6x-temp-monitoring-rtx30series

>>106929181
Not him but 3090 has RAM on the back side of the PCB as well and those chips get almost no cooling.
But the most common failure on 3090 is still the VRM dying.

>>106929130
>>106929197
Mass death of vram on 3090s hasn't happened after 5 years. It's certified FUD
>>106929200
Yup. Some models like the gigabyte ones have faulty vrms where one vcore phase is overloaded and have a high tendency to blow up

omw to get a 3090 because the ai porn slop generator has gotten me infinitely spiraling down

>>106929206
>>106929216
you're buying someones used dead slop. cope and jack off stupid jits.

Only extreme poorfags without jobs buy used gpus

>>106929248
>>106929255
im getting it new you faggots i aint trustin that retarded njudea power connector, give me my 3x8 pci-e power connector back

>>106929267
Used 3090s aren't all bad. Just avoid gigabyte ones since they have a vram configuration flaw like I mentioned earlier and you probably also want to repaste and repad it to avoid GPU/vram throttling

>>106929279
duly noted anon, thanks for the advice

>>106922963
My plan was to make a new build with a 5080 but if I'm in no rush I should just hold out for the super right?

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>>106929216
>stayed up all night with my 5090
>what games did you play?
>games?

>>106929381
That's if you can wait for up to 9 months

Hello, /g/entlemen, I'm looking for a new monitor, upgrading my MSI G25C6 1080p144hz to something 1440p.
I've found two candidates in this shit-hole market: Samsung G55C S27CG55 for USD 325 and Xiaomi G27Qi P27Qca for USD 305 (yes I know they are expensive as shit, blame import taxes)
The samsung is VA, while the Xiaomi is IPS. I'm not really sure, which one to pick because RTings says the SAMSUNG is mediocre, while I can't really find similar reviews for the Xiaomi. Any monitor chads have any input on this?

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>>106929381
just as the other anon said
people like parroting about the supers release but be aware that its not happening that soon
we have had nothing more than rumors
every "leak" has been thoroughly debunked and nvidia is in no hurry to compete against itself
I dont expect them to be announced earlier than march and released early autumn
Then again i might be wrong

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Is this a good PC for mixed heavy PC usage on Linux (watching 4k and 2k 60fps content, browsing folders of more than 3k images and videos almost daily, dealing with huge file transfers when needed, intense web usage, included Google Workspace applications, light programming) and 2k gaming at high framerate on Windows (mostly old fps titles liks Mordhau, Team fortress 2, Overwatch 2)? I already know that the 9900X isn't the best AMD gaming CPU but I need something beefy which could serve me well for the next few yers.The 9950x3D would be the best and I could afford it, but I think it would be wasted on a 9070XT.

>>106929450
What country? Holy shit I guess my shithole is miles better than yours

>Samsung G55C S27CG55
This is $180 here
>Xiaomi G27Qi P27Qca
This is $165 here

That said those monitors are shit. Don't buy these two, search for other models.

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>>106929623
I have no idea about your questions but i put your list on pcpartpicker italy so maybe anon is more susceptible to peruse the list and check for improvements
restricted it to amazon italy, you can check for more accommodating vendors
Frankly the only thing that deviates a bit is the processor which you have explained the need for, i dont know if again due to those needs you might want a beefier motherboard

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/RCBWgn

>>106927396
The 5k2k is probably the issue, you can't disable the dsc on that. Is that for just the 4080 or all their new cards?

>>106929450
Pick xiaomi, what's the refresh rate on xiaomi?

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Am i right in thinking that the 7800x3d is the sweet spot on price/performance if i just want to play a vidya and also watch movies and porn in the computer?

>>106929450
Acer, viewsonic?

>>106929916
nta but these posts made me check it
its 180hz
for 170€ i might even pick it up (on black friday just in case)
i have had a bunch of different xiaomi devices over the last decade and can't really speak ill of any of them
ffs my shower is xiaomi

>>106922963
kys nicotroon

>>106929623
no such thing as a bad PC, only such thing as a bad upgrade or price.
based off your usage, if your current PC runs fine, you don't need a new PC.
lots of people thing getting a 2-3x more powerful CPU and GPU will make their PC run 2-3x faster and with less windows/linux glitches and stutter, nope, it will feel the same or worse.
Yes, your games will run a lot better, but that's just your games.
You should check your CPU/GPU util on the game that runs the most poorly for you (I like msi afterburner but I Think task manager works as well, note that I think some games might be single threadded which will make it look like the CPU is under utilized, and you could tell if it's a CPU issue based on how much your GPU is being utilized, unless your refreshrate is capped at vsync which will reduce both cpu and gpu utilization), and if your CPU is struggling with your current GPU, you might as well just buy a new PC with a new CPU.
you don't need a HDD (SSDs are better for archiving and consumers, HDD's are cheap if you buy like 10tb with backups which is like $500~ for 10tb with raid 1 HDD's (20tb total) compared to like $4000 of 10tb raid 1 nvme sticks, but the nvmes would run 100x faster and 10x colder, and generally ssd's fail by locking to read-only mode after hitting TBW, while HDD's typically don't go into read-only mode, and with a RAID backup, this is fine), stick to keeping everything on SSD's if you want to view thumbnails faster.
People will say AMD is better for linux, it's mediocre. the one thing Nvidia users can't do is work on steam OS (because of, power management I think? and steam OS is only good if you use a controller for everything and don't need to code), other than that Nvidia has just as many issues as AMD on linux (linux isn't never a first class driver, but I have heard windows drivers have issues too).
Also you want 2 NVME ssd's for linux for dual boot. It's just better if you can just install linux and windows onto it's own SSD.

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Waiting for deals to buy the parts.
I only purchased the monitor and psu for now.

>>106929926
If you don't have autism 7700 OEM has better price/perf ratio. At least in Europe.

>>106930012
>If you don't have autism 7700 OEM has better price/perf ratio. At least in Europe.
im just concerned with getting the most performance for my money as i play a variety of games, so i wondered if the x3d chip was the better option since i 2d shit as much as i play demanding 3d action (soulslop) games and shooters

>>106929959
Thank you for replying. Would you mind if I asked some questions?
>no such thing as a bad PC, only such thing as a bad upgrade or price.
based off your usage, if your current PC runs fine, you don't need a new PC.
My current PC mounts a i5 6500 and a GTX 1060 6GB and 8 GB of RAM. I can play most of my games at around 90-120 fps but I definitely need more RAM, a more performant CPU (even something as simple as browsing multiple web pages and writing on Google Docs or watching 2k/4k videos at a stable good framerate has become quite a challenge on my machine, as the frame drops and stutters are getting more and more frequent) and a good graphic card, which I'll only use for gaming, since most of the services I use are based cloud-based (work, AI generation and so on).
>stick to keeping everything on SSD's if you want to view thumbnails faster.
Ok, I'll take this advice in consideration.
>Also you want 2 NVME ssd's for linux for dual boot. It's just better if you can just install linux and windows onto it's own SSD.
I'm currently running Windows 10 and Fedora 42 in dual boot on the same SSD sata drive, which I think I'll install on the next PC and I'll wipe Windows away from it, keeping only Fedora (so I don't have to reinstall and reconfigure all the system from scratch). Is AMD support also bad on Linux?
Another idea I'm having is to buy a good CPU with a solid iGPU (like Intel 285K, for instance, which is slighly more expensive than the 9900X in my country but still cheaper than the 9950X3D and considering that integrated GPU usually have a good support and performance on LInux), forget about the dedicated graphic card and subscribe to Geforce Now Ultimate since my internet connection is good and all the games I play or I want to play are there. I don't know if the 285K's iGPU would be good enough for high quality-high framerate media content, though: I can't find many reviews about this.

>>106930035
X3D makes bigger difference in autism sims than in mainstream games.
There are so many games where you will be GPU limited 99% of the time. I doubt you are still going to use 1080p monitor in current year anyway.
You can spend saved money to get better GPU.
Just look at the benchmarks for the games you are playing.
At the same time Zen6 is just around the corner.

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>>106929048
Klevv is under the same South Korean conglomerate that owns SK Hynix.
I'm pretty sure Klevv only sources SK Hynix ICs for this reason, which is good for DDR5 kits.
https://www.integralmemory.com/articles/klevv-a-clever-choice/

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lisa su sell radeon

its fucking ridiculous that to upgrade my PC with a 9600x and a 9060xt would cost over 1000 dollars

>>106930193
>Anon realized inflation is real

>>106930098
Ok so the x3d is more for when you have a big ass city in a city builder or a 100 turn campaign in a 4x strategy game? thats good to know
Gpu is currently locked to a 5070TI i can't justify an extra 400€ for a 5080 under any circumstance for the extra power
And not a fan of waiting either, i feel that if i wait for say Zen 6 then i get told to wait for the new series of gpu, and then its the new ram or whatever.
I m still gathering my thoughts but its happening around black friday this year in case i can shave some euros purchasing it on those offers.
Also i saw its about 10€ on the tray 7700 compared to the regular one on my country, i was expecting a bigger price drop
ty anon

intel is not that behind CPU game
non x3d vcache is pretty much 1:1
>just release the bLLC part already intel

>>106930218
its not just inflation its greed. My first build in 2017 cost 1000 dollars for the same level of performance and that included a case, storage, psu and a windows license. With inflation it would 1200

>>106930250
Yeah but the futa games that you will play today have vastly improved graphics compared to what you played back then

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Are OLEDs truly worth it? This damned thing costs more than the CPU and is pushing my total cost to a ridiculous $2.4k level.

I was also looking into the GIGABYTE MO27Q2-27, Alienware AW2725DF and MSI MAG 271QPX , but regardless they're all the same $550-650 price range. AOC Agon PRO AG276QZD2 saves me $100 but I read that one is a bit worse in quality.

>Good quality IPS 1440p is half the price

>>106930230
Yea, 4X games, RTS with huge armies, Factorio etc. Those are kinds of games where X3D is the most relevant.
If you are already grabbing 70Ti then there is no cheap upgrade for you, true.
Have fun building your next PC Anon.

>>106930250
Guess your country had low-ish inflation in recent years, in the US it would be about $1320.

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>>106930275
>Are OLEDs truly worth it?
not for brightness and value no
for both value and brightness a oled tv mogs them
only good reason would be high hz
woled 1440p monitor? pretty bad pixel clarity
4k qdoled 27"? pretty damn good

if you are forced to deskmaxx and chained to desk ok 32" or 27" 240hz qdoled, for esports 500hz qdoled ok
if you are not intending to gayme on desk just buy a tv for way better hdr and brightness AND sdr brightness, if you arent poor that is, even if you are poor you can find open box samsung qdoleds for like 700-800 buckarooskies on your bestbuys or whatever the shit

>aoc monitor
worst oled care
>msi monitor
second worst oled care (24h upgrade)
>alienware monitor
probably no forced oled care but no shutting off pixel shift and stuff
>gigabyte monitor
not totally sure but if no forced refresh behavior AND pixel shift off features and stuff, on par with Asus in terms of non nagging shit

>>106930096
I think you should have zero reason to have problem playing 4k videos at 60fps. It might be a CPU problem.
If your GPU runs above 80C (you can use hwinfo, one of my favorite windows tool), you should apply new thermal paste, and remove dust.
is this a streamed video or a local file? if it's youtube, try using "stats for nerds" when you right click to see if it's dropping frames, I think it only shows network dropped frames, not GPU decoder dropped frames, but you should double check I don't know.
If you want the cheapest motherboard and CPU that will give you a massive improvement (2x), I suggest using aliexpress and buying a 12100f and h610 motherboard together for $100~ (it should be half as much as pcpartpicker / local stores).
It's 20% slower than a 7600x for gaming, but some games have the same fps.
9600x should be 2x faster than the 12100f.
Super expensive CPU's like the 9950x/9800x3d/285k should give 3x more FPS than the 12100f in theory. But that's only in theory (threads don't matter as much).
Your 1060 will be a bottleneck in most games, and the best upgrade would be a 5060 / 16gb TI or 9060 XT (around 2-3x stronger than your 1060 6gb, note that the 1060 has FSR 3).
The h610 has HALF the nvme speed and it's ddr4 2 slots, but I believe it won't make a noticeable difference (especially for BIG copies, because NVME's slow down after 6 seconds, look at pcpartpicker and look at nvme benchmarks to see, the samsung 990 pro is overkill for the h610).
DDR4 vs DDR5 is not as large of a difference as you expect for gaming, the 3600hz ddr4 vs 6000hz ddr5 can make a 20% maximum difference in gaming (but it will cost~ 2x more, and note that you need to go into your bios to set the ram to the speed).
I think the 285k igpu isn't good for old games (I think? this might be only for intel gpu's like b580, but the games you mentioned are not old enough, I think).
And the 1060 will run 2x faster than the 285k igpu in games and the video decoding is the same.

>>106930262
battlefield 6 doesnt look that much better then battlefield 1

>>106930250
Real inflation is higher than that, 35%-40%.
You also have Retard Tax™ AKA Tariffs which are an excuse to raise the prices even more.
CPU prices are quite stable, but motherboards and GPUs are on the expensive side.

>>106930373
i think im just gonna stop buying new games on PC and get them on my PS5 instead. my current build can still play most things that arent UE5

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>>106930275
IPS is fine for SDR content if your room is well-lit or if you keep a bias light behind the monitor.
https://youtu.be/2ei1STveLYc?t=319
https://youtu.be/lI4J929ZmP8?t=96

OLED is much better for HDR, but you need to unfuck the crappy implementations in most games (if they even support native HDR).

>>106930387
>UE5
That's the real issue right there.

>>106930358
4k oleds cost like 600-800 minimum anon and my rig is built around 1440p

all of these monitors have superb numbers on RTINGS and I don't really need anything higher than 240hz really. The alienware one does go to 360hz fwiw.

I don't want to buy a whole ass tv and yes im a deskcel, you may be right about higher quality but low framerate is a no-no for me and like you said its too expensive. Also I just naturally prefer 24 and 27 inch for 1080p and 1440p respectively. It's not that I can't afford, it's that at this point I'd rather throw all that extra money on the gpu along with a 9800x3d and go 4k ips or something.

2k OLED sits at just the right spot but honestly I am not sure. Maybe I'll just get a good 1440p IPS and save me the money or maybe even go for a 9800x3d for further future-proofing.

>OLED care
isn't this just the monitor turning off for some time if you leave it on idle? I am conscious of the problem and won't do that and will be gayming so it shouldn't be much of an issue.

>>106930373
>CPU prices are quite stable
The 7800x3d stock is kill rn

>>106930418
1080p oleds when ;[

>>106929927
Viewsonic VX2728J 180 hz for USD 336
>>106929916
Its high enough, higher than 120 is fine for me. Should I pull the trigger?>>106929710
Dont really have many other options... any suggestions?

>>106930418
>The 7800x3d stock is kill rn
Maybe in the US, in the EU those CPUs are so cheap right now.

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>>106930407
TeeVee

>>106930433
Never. The jews don't want us to have nice monitors at a resolution any gpu can drive, it's over...

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https://www.newegg.com/asrock-monster-hunter-wilds-rx9070xt-mh-16g-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814930146

POG

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>>106930453
it went down to like $319 and all of it got purchased within a day or two

currently its at $409 almost anywhere but walmart has it at $359 (the usual)

>who the FUCK are buying all these parts? when will AIFags kys and stop buying EVERYTHING? will we NEVER have peace?

>>106930439
>Viewsonic VX2728J 180 hz for USD 336
This is the 1440p version, not the 1080p one.
The model is Viewsonic VX2728J-2k

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>>106930418
you still want more pixels because oled substructure is ass if you can that is
>isn't this just the monitor turning off for some time if you leave it on idle? I am conscious of the problem and won't do that and will be gayming so it shouldn't be much of an issue.
it's a buggy mess and it's shit implemented by some manufacturers and I can't say enough bad things about it
it is under no circumstance in no way acceptable to force restart a monitor under active use because you NEED to push a pixel refresh, which window and need to do it is entirely made up btw since they modified the behavior afterwards, the retarded manufacturers misinterpreted the panel manufacturers like samsung and lg's "advice" on how panels should be operated on and went full retard (some of them)
now we are in an eternal boycott until they fix their product

>>106930433
super shit ppi, well I mean, you are back to TV tier at that point, just buy a TV it's better
no ones cares about ass resolutions

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is the mobo overkill?

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>>106930418
>>OLED care
Samsung officially calls it Screen Optimization.
Monitor manufacturers can set a custom reminder interval, but it's likely mandatory for every QD-OLED monitor after 24 hours since the last optimization cycle.
ASUS monitor owners notice it less because their default is to suggest optimization after 12 hours or so and silently run a cycle during standby/off mode.

MSI's default is set to nag users every four hours unless changed by the user, because they generally run a risk-averse operation.
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshoot/TSG10003240/

>>106930559
i put my ppi in u

>>106930559
That fucking image. I hate modern-day marketing so fucking much bros
>>106930568
>ITX
>AORUS PRO
Do you even need that shit?
Also
>noctua
Why? Because ITX? Just build normal size bro
>Ram timings: CL28
I'm not sure how zen 5 is doing with RAM timings, but I remember 6000cl30 being the sweet spot for AM5.

does CPU Matter for AI genning btw? asking for a friend

>>106930568
Mugen 6 Dual fan is about as good as that U12A, designed to fit on ITX boards.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rV9wrH/scythe-mugen-6-dual-fan-6029-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-6000dbe

>>106930559
>oled substructure is ass
wdym? with all this I might as well just wait till the tech gets better and save myself the trouble by going for a 2k IPS, no? I knew OLED was bumpy but I thought with all the recent reviews/positive comments it was finally reasonable (although still expensive)

If I do go for 1440p IPS, I have my eyes on the Acer Nitro XV272U F3bmiiprx which is at just $250

>>106930584
the ASUS one is the one I am eyeing rn, its at the exact same price as the others so that's good to hear, if this is a good thing

>>106930603
image = no
llm = no
llm-moe = yes

>>106930598
>That fucking image.
Remember that left side is all current 16h monitors and monitors which msi sold before
24h is them solving their own problem, which does not need to exist, which btw also does not solve this problem

>>106930620
so prolly not for gooning pruposes, got it

>>106930250
20% isn't that much for 8 years. Crazy to think otherwise. Meanwhile my salary went up 4x since then. My
2016 build had a $600 Samsung 1tb nvme drive drive. Those are way cheaper right now.

>>106922963
Does it matter which model of the 9060xt 16 gb I get?
>sapphire nitro+ $534
>sapphire pulse $525
>Assrock challenger $457
I hear that Asrock has bad thermals and draws more power and that's why I am hesitating.

>>106930603
LLM maybe? you need more bandwidth so that only options are Apple pro/max CPU's, or AMD AI max 385/395. But there is no affordable option to use a 100gb model, and multi-modal should run fast enough on a CPU, I think? but multi-model don't give the same results as single models, and single models and single are going to run at like 4 tokens per second with 24gb models on a regular CPU, AMD AI max pushes that to 8tk/s, and a 5070 TI will run at 15tk/s because most of it fits on the GPU, normally it would run around 30tk/s with a 16gb model, I think, I haven't checked the benchmarks in a while.
image generation or videos, maybe if you want to spend 10x longer making 1 image / video at maybe lower quality (because all AI software is for Nvidia CUDA and theres a bug or user error on other platforms sometimes, this might be true for LLMs as well but it's harder to measure).

>>106930674
>$534
>$525
>$457
Just get a 5070 or 5060ti at that point.

>>106930674
No they are all the same shit. If you have decided for those already, get the cheapest one. However, those prices are really bad for a 9060 xt. But whatever

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sup pcbg
i want to buy used gpus
what brands i should be avoided?
i heard pny and gigabyte are trash

>>106930700
only buy amd
avoid used nvidia, overpriced and broken

>>106930686
I choose not to be a vramlet in 2025. Those prices are local btw (I am no burger).

>>106930700
>Lust-provoking image to bait answers.
Buying used gpus is retarded. All brands are trash and should be avoided.

>>106930721
>>106930715
i agree
i want to buy temporary gpu
im waiting for 5070 super
or any cheap 24gb vram gpu

>>106922973
>For tier-list enjoyers:
its useless
anything that with modular and gold 80+ atx 3.1 pcie 5.1 are good

>>106930742
>temporary gpu
If you have integrated graphics (which you should unless you are on AM4), IMO just use that until the super refreshes. Don't be a consoomer. Unless you need it for work, in which case I can't help you sorry

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>>106930622
ASUS OLED monitor owners don't notice how often their Pixel Cleaning kicks in because it's programmed to start if the monitor's been in standby mode for 5 minutes or turned off.
No QD-OLED monitor can completely disable this feature.

>>106930700
doesn't matter, more important from who you buy
old fucks/parents = probably unused
corpos = either unused or mined to shit
neckbeards = melted from ai/crypto
colored gentlemen = stolen

>>106930700
What country? In general the list would be 2060 super, 2070, 2080ti, and the 3080.
AMD gpus you have to pay a premium for and are way overpriced second hand.

People who ask a question that is local pricing dependent but don't give at least a vague region should be permanently range banned.

>>106930700
if you want 1080p 1660 super and 1660 ti for $70 is fine.
no DLSS or raytracing.
when buying stuff, I want to get 2x better bang per buck (cost per frame) compared to the best bang per back GPU.
ATM the best bang per buck GPU's are 5060 / 5070 (9060 or 9070 XT for AMD, but I don't think the AMD prices are as low as Nvidia ATM, and AMD uses GDDR6 instead of GDDR7).
So take the game you want to play, divide the cost of the GPU with the FPS, MAKE SURE the comparison of FPS is within the same benchmark, note that all benchmarks run at ultra, but if you lower the settings to high it would 2x the fps in most games that are not CPU bottlenecked.
so the math is, 1660 TI gets 30fps on cyberpunk, while the 5070 gets 120fps with the same settings.
1660 TI cost per frame = $2 ($30 / 60)
5070 cost per frame = $4 ($500 / 120)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKW5-DAPFCQ
Note that the 1660 TI can reach 80fps with lower settings, but the 5070 can't get much more than 120fps because of the CPU, but a 9800x3d might get 200fps.

>>106930775
as this >>106930617 anon, does this mean OLED is still a no-go? too many shenanigans? the warranty seems like it covers all but...

>>106930809
If you're hesitant, just buy a decent IPS monitor.
But I wouldn't pay over $300 for a 1440p IPS.

>>106930802
Yeah but you get ray tracing and dlss on the 5070, so this argument kind of falls apart. Raw performance doesn't matter as much as it used to
Even something like a 3050 is going to be way better off than a 1660
>>106930720
Make a friend from the United States, get them to discreetly ship a 5060ti or 5070.

>>106930700
i want gf like this

>>106930802
>So take the game you want to play, divide the cost of the GPU with the FPS, MAKE SURE the comparison of FPS is within the same benchmark, note that all benchmarks run at ultra, but if you lower the settings to high it would 2x the fps in most games that are not CPU bottlenecked. so the math is, 1660 TI gets 30fps on cyberpunk, while the 5070 gets 120fps with the same settings.
This doesn't really work in practice. Interesting math but it doesn't model reality. Specifically this part:
>if you lower the settings to high it would 2x the fps in most games that are not CPU bottlenecked
It depends crazily on the specific game and which CPU and RAM you have. I don't think you should buy used GPUs unless it's from a close friend that you trust and know won't scam you.

>planning to upgrade my home server from ancient optiplex to 12400
>look at DDR4 prices
>wtf
>tons sold out
what the hell is going on

>>106930823
$2 cost per frame is an anomaly.
good luck finding a used RTX GPU for less than that (the other GPU's I could list down are 1080 TI for $100 or some rx 580 for $50)
And you still get FSR with 1660 TI, but I don't see the point because it runs at 80 fps on cyberpunk without FSR, sure lowest settings might look bad, but does it look worse than FSR?
the used GPU market is shit and the 1660 super /TI are one the few GPU's that you can get that is kind of modern and also cheap.
I would suggest the 2060 8gb super, but it's not $100. The 2060 super is $150 average, maybe $100. But it's not the same as the 2060 super.

>>106930856
You fell for the waitfag meme.

>>106930822
>over $300
all the monitors I'm looking at are in the 200-300 range so it's fine.

>hesitant
not necessarily, I'm just trying to figure out if it's really worth paying ~$350 extra for OLED when that $350 could also get me other better parts.

seems to me like its either the Acer Nitro XV272U F3 (IPS, $250) or the ASUS XG27AQDMG at $600.

>>106930856
DDR4 is absolutely fucking insane. Just some months ago 32gb was 50 FUCKING DOLLARS. Now it's 100+ wherever you look for.
Fuck this stupid silicon market. Fuck everyone, I hate all of them. My cope is that it will go down next year or some shit. I'm not planning on moving to DDR5 any time soon, and I'm sure as fuck not paying almost 3x on some stupid memory

>>106930880
Would not trust Acer QC.
Different model, but this is their standard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K7ioTEieps

>>106930898
What would you recommend for 1440p IPS? I swear trying to find a good monitor feels like a fool's errand sometimes

>>106930880
>>106930898
I wouldn't trust Acer at all with anything. Which is weird because AOC is pretty solid even though they are basically the same company now.

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>>106930362
It's most definitely a CPU problem in my case since I monitor the CPU usage constantly in Linux and I see the CPU usage spiking up to 90% and frame dropping when I play high resolution videos or even browsing folders with 2K-3K images/videos. On Windows it might be even worse. As for performance I'm aware that the 285K iGPU isn't good enough in locale which is why I've mentioned GeForce Now in my previous post (the only games I might play in locale are NES/SNES/PS1/N64 emulators but I have no idea if the iGPU would be good enough for them). This is another list I've come up with: I've followed your advice for storage but I've set up on the best CPU which should give me the best desktop and hassle-free performance on Linux since I don't have to mess with graphic drivers too much. Country is Italy but these are already the best prices available. Realistically, how much better would this system be compared to mine in mixed desktop usage (not talking about gaming)? Take this image as a retarded attempt but it's 400€ cheaper than the previous one I posted and both the CPU and the storage solutions should be better here.

>>106930883
>My cope is that it will go down next year or some shit.
The DDR4 manufacturing facilities that remain in operation are making these chips for server clients.
Samsung and Hynix are the only ones committed to making these chips in 2026, and they'll stop production if margins shrink.

>>106913504
hrgg

>>106930617
>I knew OLED was bumpy but I thought with all the recent reviews/positive comments it was finally reasonable (although still expensive)
OLED is fine IMO
For some reason there is an impulse to be extremely hypercritical when there is new/expensive tech
The reality is OLED is a deal and is basically half price compared to high end monitors 5 years ago and they perform better in every way except brightness.

Anyone who says oled is expensive/not worth it is outing themselves as a newfag.

>>106930934
with AOC monitors I was looking at the AOC Q27G3XMN (VA panel tho), the AOC Agon PRO AG276QZD2 which is OLED but anons mentioned it's the worst pick earlier (also cheapest fwiw), all the other ones seem to be suspiciously cheap and I can't find good reviews/info on them.

>the Q24G2A is not available in the US for some fucking reason

also had my eyes on monitors like the Asus XG27ACS or the AW2725DM

>>106930977
would you recommend the ASUS XG27AQDMG? or something else? at around ~600 USD

>>106930947
Note that I remember some sort of issue on linux where because the decoders are closed source or bugs, firefox will use the CPU decoder instead of your 1060, and that's really slow.
But I don't remember, I might be hallucinating that (I think mpv does that).
You could check on windows, since you have windows dual booted, right? But I bet windows runs pretty bad either way...
I would avoid intel simply because they will release a new socket next generation, I know that there is no point for an upgrade for the 285k because it's the best CPU for the socket, but I think the 9600x will get the same FPS as the 285k in every game that you play (maybe AAA games like cyberpunk might run faster on the 285k since it actually uses multiple threads).
The reason I say that, is because intel has no 9800x3d. You might get angry that some new warhammer game runs at 60fps, but the 9800x3d boosts it to 100fps because "x3d lul", so with the 9600x (or 7600x), you get that upgrade option.
And no, I think you should first try using GeForce Now before buying a new PC for a IGPU downgrade (half the fps). Note that all AMD CPU's have a Igpu (at least the ones I mentioned, I think there is a hidden CPU I forgot about that might be $20 cheaper but you can only get it on aliexpress).

>>106930917
XG27ACS when it's discounted to $220 or a discounted M27QA.
KTC H27T22 ($200) was well-reviewed by DisplayNinja.

>They're not 240/300Hz
The faster refresh rate isn't worth the premium or the QC lottery.
The 260Hz ASUS TUF VG27AQML1A ($330) was discounted to $230 two years ago.
LG 240Hz 27GR83Q-B is an alternative ($350).

I'd probably get the LG 240Hz IPS if you really wanted that refresh rate, but it's not $130 better than a discounted XG27ACS.

>>106930993
AOC is best at the $200/$300 mark above that you have to turn to the usual overchargers for better quality

>>106930993
OLED is fine if you're prepared to buy a new monitor in 5~7 years if it comes to that, and if you get used to the text fringing.

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>chair so comfy i don't even wanna shitpost anymore
that one anon who said a good chair will change your life last year was right...

>>106931024
*and NO, I don't think intel has good linux drivers (maybe open source autism, but I don't have that), why would they give a SHIT about 2% of the steam users? And it's not even intel's fault, the developers are the ones that needs to test that their game works well on linux, but they don't care.
If you buy AMD / Nvidia, you will get good results. But windows will typically always be better. And Nvidia is better for windows due to random features like DLSS or whatever (since linux can't play a lot of multiplayer games due to DRM and anticheat, TF2 and the ones you mentioned work).

>>106931024
Leaving the gaming performance aside, which, as I said, isn't my priority right now, would my build make sense? Compared to the 9600X it should be better for pure desktop usage considering I multitask a lot and use different programs simultaneously.

>>106931057
A good chair, monitor, and sound system is worth the money (within reason).

>>106931028
>XG27ACS & M27QA
I had a Camelcamelcamel price watch set up for the XG27ACS but not the M27QA, I couldn't find any reviews for the M27Q"A" but the M27Q seems to be awful. I'll make a watch for it too though

>KTC H27T22
Shipper hates my location for some reason

>240/300
I'll check those out too but super high refresh rate isn't mandatory for me (144 or higher is fine) so its not a big deal

>>106931038
for my secondary monitor >>106930275
I also had my eyes on an AOC 24G4 as a possible pick, do you know if its any good? compared to the benQ GW2490

>>106931055
>5~7 years
thats completely fine. I heard about the text fringing issue but I am planning to get a secondary monitor so if even if its unbearable it won't be much of an issue.

Still, $600 though... damn is it expensive. Is it really worth it?

>>106931068
I understand your reasoning, but if you are wondering if things will feel faster, the 285k will not make your PC feel faster.
There is no way you are going to notice which PC is faster if you had 2 PC's side by side with a 9600x and 285k.
You need to run a application that actually utilizes more than 20 CPU cores to notice.

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Should I wait out the holiday season to build a new rig (currently 2070 Super / 3700X / 16GB) because tariffs or just bite the bullet and build 9070 XT / 9900X / 32GB. I'm switching back to AMD because I am a recent winfag => full troonux convert (not unfamiliar with Linux, just only used it for webdev / vidya servers previously).

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just remember arrow lake refresh is early 2026 and Nova Lake comeback is late 2026

>>106931180
Will AMD go bankrupt?

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>>106931201
>>106931242 (me)
>when you upload the wrong pic...

>>106931201
a bit early to say but 100% definitely

It's normal to have very high GPU usage in intensive games, right? Mine is around 95% steady

>>106931303
Yes, in fact it's ideal to have near 100% as that means the GPU is the bottleneck and isn't waiting on the CPU on any other parts of your system to feed it frames to render.

>>106931303
If it's not hovering around 95%+ you're bottlnecked by something else.

WTF is this new captcha?

>>106927410
Damn Hamtaro lost some weight

>>106931303
If anything that's too low
the GPU is designed to run at 100% nonstop forever

>>106931303
yeah having it as high as possible means you are squeezing all the juice from it. Also if you're using nvidia reflex, it might not ever reach 100% because that's how it works. It reduces input latency by a lot.
Also, whatever the fuck happened to reflex 2.0? They were hyping it up like crazy when thee 5000 series dropped. Classic nvidia marketing, to advertise a product and then silently abandon it

>>106931450
>that's too low
wrong.

>>106931469
nope

>>106930542
I'd pick 1440p IPS anon, refresh rate, higher the better.

>>106930568
Itx, just pick a cheaper one desu, so much on mobo is just wasted.

>>106931166
Why not pop a 9070xt and a 5950x?

>>106931634
I'm not sure why I would choose a 5950X over a 9900X so please let me know

>>106931667
In socket upgrade over starting from scratch basically
am5 is ddr5 only too

>>106931667
If you want to skip zen5, keep your mobo, ram and the rest of the setup, you can.

>>106931481
>>106931481
>>106931481

>>106931057
>adding a headrest to a leap v2
weak neck, ngmi. How much did it cost? I've been considering adding one to mine.

>>106931739
https://crandalloffice.com/products/atlas-crandall-aftermarket-headrest-for-steelcase-v2-leap-chair

200 burgerbucks

>>106926353
depends on the size of the monitors. I have two 27" on a double arm and they barely fit side by side. I ended up stacking them up one over the other since I had to twist my neck a bit too much with the monitors side by side.

>>106931755
jesus christ, that's about half of what I pay for these. I'll have to do some research, there has to be a better option.

>>106930542
1080p on 27" looks god awful, pixels are the size of legos, go 1440p, IPS over VA, any day. IPS is like phone screen, VA is like old LCD panel with horrible viewing angles.

>>106931730
Not that you knew, but my mobo is a X570-A PRO
> PCIe 4.0
It is not compatible with a 9070 XT

>>106931869
Gen 4 slot is completely fine, you won't lose any frames, let me try to find the vid. Also, x570 is high end right?

>>106931869
x570 is the best am4 chipset, you could even run a 5090 without issues on it
first i would try to track down a 5xxx3d cpu wherever you live

>>106931869
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L1NPFFRTzLo&pp=ygUXZ2VuIDUgZ3B1IGluIGdlbiA0IHNsb3Q%3D

1 to 4%, you can even use it with pcie gen 3 without losing much. Try to get a used 5950x or 5900x.

>>106926353
>Three singles?
This is gonna be your best best if you have desk mount space to them for maximum adjustability. If you don't then get a triple that says can support the size/weight of 3x27" for clean looking.

>>106931894
>>106931928
>>106931929
Not sure why I never attempted to research into this. Good to know I was just a dumbass who assumed PCIe version was strict. So I should pass on a rebuild and could just do an upgrade to:
> 9070XT - $650
> 5900XT - $270 - w/o cooler at local Microcenter, reuse my 3700x's heatsink+fan
> Double up the RAM - $60 - ddr4-3600 cl16-19-19-39 found another matching 2x8GB set on amazon
> Total: $980
I already have a 750w PSU, so I am pretty sure that should hold out still.

Cheers!

>>106931180
No HT equals no buy, see you in 2028 Intelaviv

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fuck my nigger life
2007 modded game stalker
100% gpu usage on 6700 xt
is it time to upgrade?

>>106932466
>GPU on fire which CPU is literally taking a nap in game
lmao

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>>106932205
If you're mainly using that PC for gaming, 5700X or a 5800XT is better than the 5900XT.
The 5900XT basically acts like a slightly better 5600X in gaming; it doesn't use the other half of the CCD in games because of the cross-CCD latency penalty.

Some games don't even know how to work with these dual CCD chips.

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>>106932233
HT/SMT is not always useful for gaming.
Intel's newer CPUs handle multicore workload fine without HT.

>>106932466
Those are some very unoptimised mods.

>>106932881
its gamma

>>106930568
>Mini ITX
>9800x3d
>with a 3080.

No the mobos fine, the feature sets of ITX mobos are usually shittier than normal mobos so it pays to get the better model.

>>106932728
On GNU+Linux I see a few of the games I play use the entirety of my 5900X. Never noticed any stutters or whatever.
5900XT is a downclocked 5950X btw. 8+8.