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Should I go meet this gal? She wants to give me a free GPU.
>>106931814that crashes in wuwa
>7800X3D>MSI X870 Tomahawk>everything else included total: $1070 >9800X3D>MSI B850 MAG Tomahawk Max>everything else, same, included total: $1120What's the better choice here? USA
>>106931843the total prices are without the GPU as I'm still mulling over 9070xt/5070ti but the price difference would still be $50
i fell for the tempered glass computer case meme. now i see reflection of my monitor on my case. holy shit, this the worst /tech/ purchase i made in my life.
>>106931843Go for the cheaper board. X870 should come with 40g usbc if you want that.
>>106931936Put the PC on the floor faggit.
>>106931936Just put some non reflective coating/film on the glass, or just put the case further away, or just use a desk lamp
>>106931843>>1069318547800x3d and 9800x3d aren't that far off on performance to the point that more often than not i see the 7800x3d recommended over spending on the 9800x3dthat said a better board on the 870 is only useful if you gonna use its features, for most anons the most basic mobos will workI PERSONALLY would pick the top one, as i mentioned the difference in performance wont be that big (but again, it exists) but i like beefier mobos with extra shit, makes me feel like i will do something with it at some point (i wont).
>>106931963my place is not suitable for that. My toddler would wreck the case if put it on the floor.
>>106931936what are the two bays above the psu shroud?
>>106931977Grats senpai. I mean put the PC on the left instead of right?
>>106931936That's why SFF is the only sensible case to put on a desk
>>106931993Fans anon kun.
>>106931843I don't think buying 24-32 core motherboards for an 8 core 100W cpu is a wise way of spending money
>>106932005needs dust mesh
>>106931936Fractal North Mesh was right there for grown ups You shouldn't have fallen for the zoomer kid meme cases
>>106931955I have enclosures so 40gbps sounds very nice (main reason why I am consdering a overkill mobo) but the b850 (not rear though) 20gbps is also manageable, but that means I need to buy a little bit more expensive case to get use of it, so price again evens out. Other than that, the post code led is always nice to have. >>106931976I know the difference between the 2 doesn't even justify the $50 but I was thinking about future-proofing and longevity. Also currently the 7800X3D is at *$400* although prices should return to normal very soon.
>>106932020i mean thats what i expected them to be, but are they blowing air from the psu directly onto the gpu?I know shit about shit, it just feels weird
>we want the 4chan crowd sooooo bad please notice usembarrasing
>>106931481>havn is thinking about making thicker fans, up to 50mm+Is it finally time to have thicker fans with decent built quality that are meant to run at lower RPM? Only ones that come to mind is pic related and some other from EK but both come with DBB and a motor that seem to make grinding noises when you're unlucky.
>>1069318439800x3d>>106932054How can he shit on DLSS Framegen (which actually works) but want to shill Lossless (which sucks ass)
just use 300mm fans already
>>106932035no no, but reallyare those fans set to remove hot air from the psu and onto the case, directly onto the cpuor are they to send air from the case on the psu?either way it seems weird to me
>>106931481what's a good website/source to browse for good cases?
This isn't a nico-troon thread
>>106932144https://caseend.com/it's pretty outdated thoughpcpartpicker has everything including user builds done with the chosen case and then it's manufacturer sites and youtube videos for more info
>>106932054how do you do an entire video on it and have zero side by side comparisons to to amd/nvidia
>>106932177because they are dishonest shills is howjust like the delusional amdrones that post here
>>106932054I haven't watched a single video since early this year, has he laid off with the rage-bait and drama
>>106932122>300mm fansThis but unironically.
>>106931977It's called safety glass for a reason. They couldn't call it that if it weren't safe.
>>106932093in the first 30 seconds he says lossless is very cool tech lmao you cant make this shit up
>>106932093>>106932054>>106932177>>106932190>How can he shit on DLSS Framegen (which actually works) but want to shill Lossless (which sucks ass)Steve needs the cash since all his videos are getting pulled/demonetized for stealing other people's work.
Waiting Paitiently for Nova Lake
>>106932304Please let the new socket mobos not suck.
>>106932304So now we have even shittier e-cores? Why not just make two socket CPU boards again.
>>106932304I hope they will ditch estrogen cores for desktop or at least make separate SKU without them.
>>106932339no, we need those for cinnebench and passmark
ear status: flavortown reached
I thought overkill textures were too much for 12gb cards according to Hardware Unboxed
>>106931481Finally a useful thread post
>>106932392
>>106932389What;s the easiest way to run an AV receiver to your PC? I want real surround sound for games.
>>106932403I'll never understand DF's obsession with the 3070
>>106932407hdmi probably
>>106932417They have some brown guy who helps them with pc videos, and he happens to own a 3070.They break it down in this video actually.
>>106932417it was a great gpu. it had 2080ti performance for half the price
>>106932332The low power cores are the same ecores as the others, they are just in the low power island part of the compute tile
>>10693245420xx was simply a bad generation due to 1st gen RT cores and pricing that excluded most 10xx or equivalent amd owners
>>106932470love me 2060
The 4090 was a legendary GPU. The 5090 may be better but it didn't have the impact the 4090 did at all. 50%+ performance jump over 3090ti, $1600, worth more than it launched for years later.There's never be anything else like it.
>>106932497it was better in retrospect as the pricing of gpus went up over time
>>106931936I pay extra for the solid side panel variants.
Thoughts on the Lancool 217?
>>106932842I would've got it if it had I/O on the top not just the bottom side Lian Li already said they had complaints about this and added it for the upcoming variant but that variant is some glass garbage https://youtu.be/n5M8fWLK6bI?t=1118
Is a 360 AIO rad enough for CPU and GPU to keep them nice and cool? If so, what case would you recommend that's big enough to put both of them in it without being too big? Preferably something m-ATX size.>>106932842I just watched a video on the antec flux pro and this looks like a ripoff.
>>106932993Yes. Are you buying a hybrid 5080/5090? >caseJust make sure it actually would support it, so 3+ fans on top, 3+ fans on the front.
Trying to decide if the difference between the 9070 and the XT is big enough to warrant the extra hundred or so
>>106933056Just buy a 5090.
>>106933056Please refer to the op
>>106933056nobody buys the 9070you buy the 9060XT or the 9070XT
Is Crucial/Micron the upstream OEM for TeamGroup? I was looking at these two DRAM sticks and they seem to have identical circuit layouts.
so nvidia drivers getting fixed when? ima sell my 5070ti and get a 9070xt since the return window is gone.
>>106933161What driver issue?
>>106933156TeamGroup sources SK Hynix ICs as well.Some board manufacturers' QVL discloses the memory IC manufacturer for every compatible kit.
>>106933156the pcb layouts are pretty standardized, the oem will vary depending on sku
>>106932135no no, but reallysomebody explain me how those fans work
>>106933170Nontstop driver issues. DXGI_Hung, D3D_Lost, VK_DEVICE_REMOVED, Fatal Error, GPU Stopped Processing Commands. This is just on Windows. On Linux its even more unusable and fps is worse than AMD, Windows or Linux.
>>106933131Only buy nvidia? gotcha good advice
>>106933056in my country right now the cheapest 9070 is 606€ and the cheapest 9070xt is 645€No idea where the hundred is coming from, maybe on higher end models
>>106933170MPO still broken on all GPUs thats not 5000.
>>106933237do you have a reason you dont want the best hardware on the market
>>106933170i cant play wow anymore without crash to desktop
>>106933170He's just a mentally ill shithead.
>>106933249Well I was thinking of going for team penguin, but I DID hear there was an update to the open source driver that gave flawless DLSS4 now
>>106933236Why don't you rma it? That's not a widespread issue, your gpu was probably just DOA.
>>106933272There are three to four different Radeon shitposters in /pcbg/. He's one of them.
What would be more useful, an extra M.2 slot on a board or an extra PCIe slot?
>>106933266Just go Radeon for Linux.
Should I installed Cachy or Fedora on my 7800x3D/4080S system
>>106933237In the United States and a good chunk of Europe, yes. 9070 for $600+ and 9070xt for $700+ is fucking retarded
>>106933296Anon is right, updates to the Nvidia driver means there is basically no point for going Radeon for Linux any more
>>106933307It's absurd, here I can get a 5070Ti cheaper than a 9070, in most of the developed world there is literally no reason not to go Nvidia
>>106933316>here I can get a 5070Ti cheaper than a 9070where is that
Intel Xe3P powers next-gen Intel DGPU
>>106933178>1.45vJesus how does that not degrade the IMC.
>>106933345It's 1.45V to the memory chip (VDD), not the CPU/IMC.Those memory chips can handle around 1.6V as long as they're actively cooled.
>computer won't display>take out ram>reinsert ram>won't display>unplug>take out video card>reinsert video card>won't display>... try integrated>... try card again>... try ram again>... unplug things from psu>... start preparing to buy new pc>take computer to friend's house to use things from his computer and see if my montero still works>plug it in just to test>no display>try his monitor>no display>try ram again with my monitor>displaysAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!I'M NEVER DUSTING MY PC EVER AGAINEVEY FUCKING TIME!!!
Raising children finally inspired me to relocate all hardware to a centralized closet in the house. Gone are the days of pencils and crayons finding their way into the tower. I don't care what the case looks like, or how loud the fans are, or how much heat it pumps out. No cable management to worry about, except what's routed through the attic and wall. It's just a monitor and a handful of peripherals.It feels so good, man.
>>106933386use a soft-bristle paintbrush, the "no oil/no conductive material" air-spray dusters are a load of shit.
>>106933386I've always just used a regular air compressor to dust out my pc and have never had this problem
>>106933412What'd you do, long cables to a monitor/hub?
>>106931481Quick question Is it good to get used 3080 for like 250-270 usd? Idk i use aud I been using gtx 1070Im lazy to upgrade because i only play factorio lolMaybe doom and gta v online
>>106931481>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansMidrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)Wow is this new?Idk what to pickIt usually says p12 max.What is the minimum for rpm?
>>106933533>Is it good to get used 3080 for like 250-270 usdSounds good to me
>>106933533used 6800xt is around that price and it destroys the 3080.
>>106933555>>106933637340 usd for 3080 ti Is it worth a jump
>>106933672how about a new 5070 instead
>>1069336376800xt is actually slower than the 3080 + it has to use fsr, even hardware unboxed admitted it's a trash card.>>106933672maybe. 10-15% isn't all that great but hey more vram
Just got an Arc B580 for $245Going to replace my 1070ti. Poor thing needs a rest, the fans are wack. I was already pushing it on a 1440p system. It served me great and truly believe that was the best gpu generation of all time.
>>106933637>destroys the 3080.The only thing the 6800 XT is destroying is RDNA2's reputation.
>>106933710>>1069337436800xt gets 150fps in elden ring. 3080 barely gets 144fps.
>>106933710>>106933743>>1069336726800XT is much better card. TSMC 7NM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAMSUNG 8NMRead GPU-Z. Notice how 6800XT smokes it in pixel and texture fillrate.
Why does it seem like the 5000 series is the only generation where all of your crashes are actually a hardware issue but nvidia adds an exception for your hardware anyway if you give them crash dumpsAny other gen and you’d have to rma
>>106933795as a 3080 owner I would never, ever swap it with an amd cardnvidia featureset is just much better
>>106933386Did you you take out the CMOS battery and put it back in?
>>106933743>The leaked version of FSR4 is just as go-ACKKK>>106933787>>106933795Well even if that's true, what about the 3080 being faster in basically every other game?It's insane that people are still willing to defend RDNA1/2/3
>>1069338013080 cant even use framegen properly because nvidia aritificially locks it from the driver.6800xt can use framegen and now fsr4.
>>106933795This. Always read GPU-Z results. Dont care about fanboys. Focus on MATH & SCIENCE THE COMPUTER IS A FUCKING CALCULATOR IT TELLS YOU WHATS FASTER OBJECTIVELY AND BETTER.
>>1069338163080 can use fsr framegen too? It just sucks ass regardless of what gpu you use it on.
>>106933795Oh right forget the 3080/3080ti. samsung 8nm sucks ass. thats the gen nvidia lot hard because they didnt use tsmc.
>>106933787That image isn't the own you think it is.>Using unoptimized JP engine to prove a point>Easy mode curved great sword>Needs to use a kite shield because he's shit at the game>That much stamina>Sorceries>Spirit summon in quick item listSo many Ls.
>>106933829Wrong stupid jit.
I asked about upgrading a Ryzen 2700x a few days back, and people were saying the prices are way higher now for the . What were the prices when launched? It looks like $285 for a 5700X3D. I was thinking of just getting a 5700X to go with my RTX 4060 8gb. Will that be fine for BF6?
>>106933295PCIe slot because it can always become an M.2 slot.Kinda harder to go the otherway around.
Thanks guysUsed 6800xt is like 260-280 usd? Its a big upgrade from my 1070Gonna buy it
>>106933816games like cyberpunk offer fsr frame gen in the game menu and you can mod it in for other gamesthen theres lossless scaling for other stuffSome nvidia features I've used since buying an oled monitor are nvidia app video super res + hdr Game hdr filter for sdr games.Producitivity programs that are optimized for nvidia.
>>106933795>pixel and texture fillrate.Those are theoretical figures, which don't translate to real-world performance.>TSMC 7NM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAMSUNG 8NMYou're missing the point that NVIDIA matched the performance of those Radeon GPUs that were on a superior node.Turn on upscaling or RT, it's GG.
>>106933838Didnt Valve make Elden Ring stutter free on Ste(AMD)eck while it still crashes and stutters on Nvidias latest windows 10/11 driver?
>>106933849That's retard when it costs the same as a 3080 but whatever go for it.
>>106933855>>106933858Nvidia features are overrated as hell and half of that shit doesnt work or is worse than third party solutions such as RenoDX and SpecialK.TSMC 7NM destroys Samsung 8NM in every application. Desktop and Mobile. Do not buy 3080 when 6800XT exists. Dont care about fanboys. Read GPU-Z.
>>1069338743080 seems to cost more now that i check and it seems worse according to GPU-Z that everyone uses including Gamers Nexus?
>>106933862One of Valve's dev offered to help FromSoftware fix the issue, but he never heard back from them.It's a game dev issue.And the 3080 is benching Elden Ring just fine compared to the 6800XT.
>>1069338415700x3d was selling for $200 a year ago5700x and 4060 should be fine together
>>106933877well you wouldnt buy a 8nm gpu today youd buy 5070
>>106933679There really is no reason to buy any other GPU.
>>106933877Yes, buy a video card to stare at GPU-Z theoretical figures.
>>106933882>seems worse according to GPU-Z that everyone uses including Gamers Nexus?Okay so you asked the question just to troll then?
>>106933877>Read GPU-Z.Does this retard even know TechPowerUp is the one that maintains GPU-Z?
>>106933897When you look at a 4090 in GPU-Z. the numbers are high yes? compare to those numbers to 4080. 4080 has worse numbers yes? 4080 worse gpu because worse gpu-z numbers. now compare 6800xt to 3080. 6800xt higher pixel and texture fillrate while being 7nm instead of 8nm. 3080 is objectively worse at a gpu-z level. it cannot be better you are fanboy cope.
>>106933236I've got none of these issues with my prime 5070 ti and ryzen 7600xhave you tried setting pcie to 4.0? how about newest mainboard bios with all settings on default? you should do some troubleshooting on your side, before talking shit>>106933412good for you. a dedicated room for desktops is always the endgame
>>106933906>>106933910>>106933897Samsung 8nm is worse than TSMC 10nm its impossible for it to be better than TSMC 7nm.
>>106933913>it cannot be better you are fanboy cope.
>>106933913>the numbersThe numbers are theoretical performance figures and do not translate to real-world performance.This is what happens when you fall for Radeon memes: you cope with paper napkin math.
>>106933925NVIDIA designs better GPUs, that's why RTX 30 GPUs still keep up with their RDNA2 counterparts.Look at RDNA4 and Sony's recent Amythyst announcement, they are copying GeForce's GPU designs (dedicated RT & AI cores, etc.)
>now nvidiot fanboy hijacked the OP and removed all the amd cards insteadThis general is such a joke. If you are new to PCs go to pcpartpicker or techpowerup forum for actual advice. Even plebbit is better than this shithole
>>106933986can you peoplefuckingkys
>9950x3d not being listed as the premium option>9070xt not even mentionedBoo you suck
give me one reason not to buy 4x a6000 and start mining bitgpts
>12400 back in stock todayawesome time to wait for BF for a sale on it>CPU out of stock againTHAT TEARS ITWHEN IT'S BACK IN I'M PULLING THE TRIGGER I'M SICK OF SHIT
>>106932005What's stopping me from putting my finger in those fans?
>>106934002its more of a hybrid option for people who happen to need a cpu for both productivity and gamingfor gaming it makes no sense over 9800x3dfor productivity non x3d is much better valueamd gpus arent competitively priced compared to nvidia gpus so unless you find one at a big discount theres little reason to talk about them
>>106933950>largest console manufacturer chooses AMD>"well it's because it's shit"these people are that deranged
you did your worst, you tried your bestnow it's time to rest
>>106934023>amd gpus arent competitively priced compared to nvidia gpus so unless you find one at a big discount theres little reason to talk about themThe US isn't the entire world kys mutt goy njudea cock sucker. And 9060 XT even is staying at MSRP everywhere.
>>106934030>>largest console manufacturer chooses AMDBecause AMD is the only one that can competently make an x86 APU. And they're cheap compared to sourcing NVIDIA dGPUs.>largest console manufacturer asked AMD for a next-gen GPU with better RT, PT, and upscaler>Neural ArraysCopying RTX Neural Rendering>Radiance CoresCopying RTX RT Cores
>>106934051RIP IN PEACE KING replaced by what?
>>106932332>>106932339On my next upgrade I'm going full Xeon to get 8 or 10 full cores, ECC and SGX, but I expect my i7-7700 (yes, not K for the 65W CPU) with 64GB of RAM to holding me for the next 5 or 10 years.
>>106934052nvidia isnt exactly out of stock or above msrp
>>106933986Why do you spam this in every thread that isn't baked by nico-troon? why are you still even here if it's that bad
>>106933986Sounds like someone sensible finally started making the OPs
>>106933986Mate, if there were AMD cards worth recommending we would recommend them. But the simple honest to god hand on my heart truth is there simply isn't one. Maybe UDNA will be better, let's wait and see, until then unfortunately for you the green team is simply the default.
>>106934064>Because AMD is the only one that can competently make an x86 APUseems like the more competent and versatile company. I don't see nvidiots rocking any nvidia CPUs. imagine owning the CPU gaming market and also being competitive in the GPU one.
>>106934161>I don't see nvidiots rocking any nvidia CPUs.Because Intel and AMD has a monopoly on X86 licensing, think for a second.The industry also lobbied the FTC to block NVIDIA from acquiring ARM.Intel is happy to play NVIDIA's X86 bitch with the new APU partnership.
>>106934064>>106934161Intel's next generation is looking up, realistically we might have to start recommending them over AMD CPUs, and the industry's inevitable transition to ARM processors means Nvidia will probably be a highly realistic option if they ever move into the consumer market with them.
>>10693409212700kf
>>106934195>The industry also lobbied the FTC to block NVIDIA from acquiring ARM.excuses excuses. the reality is they couldn't do it. being in denial won't help.you do it or you don't. there is no excuses
>>106934205>Intel's next generation is looking uplet's see how it pans out.
>>106931843I just built a 9800x3d/5070ti/x870e system and I don't regret at all. Considered the 9070xt but the 5070ti is just better and the price difference isn't huge
>>106934231The fact that you've moved the goalpost to talk about CPUs shows you're coping.Go and read the theoretical performance of your Radeon card in GPU-Z.
anyone know if those HP/Dell 5070TI's are worth it? I know its the same silicone but are there any performance differences in regards to the fans and heatsinks they use?
>>106934138>>106934149>>106934158Insane samefag/discord troon raidPlease kill yourself
>>106934244personally i"d delid the 9800X3D, only had it for a few months before it started acting up and turns out it was whatever compund they used on the IHS was drying up fast
Any idea when Intel is supposed to be putting out their answer to AMD's 3D CPUs? I'm on an i9-9900k and RTX 3080 build and have been holding off upgrading. Or is AMD's 10000 series of 3D CPUs coming out soon?
>>1069342813d vcache is unncessarythe next gen of intel cpus will just have a fuckload of l3 cache which will accomplish the same thing and probably be better
>>106934281You'll know when Intel makes a server chip with stacked L3 cache; gamers don't spend enough money to save Intel.
>>106934296of well whatever the tech is. All I know is in gaming, the only name in the game seems to be the 9800X3D which brags about its 3D cache. I'm brand agnostic, I just want something that's the newest. The 9800X3D being almost a year old now, I figured I would ask around if there's something new possibly hitting the market. My friends and I play MMORPGs and pretty poorly optimized games that still highly value single core performance/clock speed, and they seem to LOVE the 3D cache.
it's been 2 years since i got an intel 13600k cpu but only recently i noticed that goes 100% usage everytime i open an app/program and then returns normal. is it an actual problem or i don't need to worry?
>>106934311they will have their oen version of vertically stacked cache (that is what 3d vcache is, literally just cache stacked on top of each other), in their next gen server cpus but like i said, it's unnecessary for games and there are several ways to get that performance boost without doing it
>>106934308fuck man. I remember buying my 9900k on sale for $430 at Microcenter. It's been really good to me and it just works. Even in really high end titles like CP2077, I can still get like 75-ish fps on medium/high settings paired with my 3080 at 1440p. While brand doesn't matter to me, there was part of me hoping to see a gaming oriented CPU from Intel with the same staying power. One of my friends just recently got a 5700X3D for cheap used and with a simple BIOS update, he slotted it into his mega budget A320 motherboard, and is still using it to this day. For fuck's sake he is still using an original Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler he got for $20 on sale who knows how long ago.I'm looking for something even remotely approaching that staying power
>>106934244>9800x3dI am considering the 9800x3d as well for longevity, and I hear it runs cooler than the 7800x3d, also I play more CPU-intensive games anyway>moboI will probably go with the B850 in the end to both save $ and also because, while I'd love USB4 40gbps for my enclosure, x870 just feels pure overkill, and there's nothing else I really need from it that's not on the B850 (wifi7 etc.). What x870E did you get?>I should also ask, for the MSI B850 Tomahawk Max, if I have 2 NVMe connected already to the mobo, would a NVMe enclosure connected thru usb cause PCIe lane sharing? if so, I'll go for the X870 anyway, if that's not a problem there (specifically the MSI X870 Tomahawk).>5070tiI don't feel like paying more for it, cause I am primarily on Linux these days, and I play older games, so I don't really need to go above the 9070XT on 1440p. Don't care about AI or whatever as well, so Nvidia is not that attractive for me to warrant more $$$. I have a few 5070tis on price watch list just in case though.
>>106934378the 9800x3d is right there my man
>>106934268Doubt anyone has done a benchmark or something but in the past the non-blower cards were usually at least "ok."If you're getting a discount go for it, report your findings somewhere.
>>106934394How much longer do we think AM5 socket is going to be around? I would feel like a jerk off if I bought a 9800X3D right now only to find out AMD is making their 10k series on new AM6. If you couldn't already tell from my 9900k build, I keep my hardware for a while. I'm just looking for biggest bang for buck atm.
>>106934378Last Earning Call Intel said they fucked up abandoning HEDT on Arrow Lake. Nova Lake aims to correct that. Of course plenty would have been pretty happy if they just released that Bartlett lake 12P0E core CPU for consumer they said they would but there's basically 0 chance of that happening now.
>>106934405the next cpus (which will be 11000x3d) will still be am5 and be supported on b850 and x870 motherboardsam5 support will last through 2027
>>106934404There is an HP one im looking at for around $770 ish. I undervolt my parts for longevity so not sure if that affects any benchmarks
>The Intel Arc Pro B60 was launched on September 5th, 2025.
>>106934405AM4 is still around. Zen6 next year is confirmed to be AM5 too. Zen 7 is 2028 year off at the earliest, that is looking like it'll be AM5 too.
>>106934412>b850 and x870 motherboardsthose motherboards are all trash the X970E better be much better
How come the consoomers just take it up the ass with coil whine?Online drones keep saying "it's not a defect" when it clearly is, yet no QC is being done to reduce it
>>106934429>the new motherboard will be betterholy shit we have a genius over here
they will be called b1050 and x1070e btw
>>106934412>>106934421Damn OK, so AM5 is the new hotness. Guess I'll stop fucking around then and just upgrade. Microcenter has a bundle going on for the 9800X3D, X870E motherboard, and discounts on RAM kits and Samsung NVME SSDs if you're buying everything all together.Last question. Do I NEED an AiO for the 9800X3D? If so I was going to get the Arctic 420mm AiO cooler. Or is it able to be cooled under something like a standard dual tower air cooler? Gaming CPU loads and occasional video encoding/rendering loads.
>>106934431Because there's not enough money in offering coil-whine-free hardware if manufacturers need to back up that claim with RMAs & refunds.
>>106934431because coil whine means my gpu is thinking and i wouldn't want a gpu without someit also sounds cute on the 5090 fe anyway
>>106934391Gigabyte Auros Elite, got it with a bundle that made it around the same price as buying the components separately with a cheaper mobo. > linuxYeah 9070xt is best for you in that case.
>>106934432hopefully, x870 was a cpu burning nightmare was worse than x670 so the only way is up maybe
>>106934441>Last question. Do I NEED an AiO for the 9800X3D?no, but i have the lf3 420mm and it's nice to have. you will still see retarded temps like 80+c when compiling shaders >>106934452just don't go asrock and there's not much of an issue
>>106934461>no, but i have the lf3 420mm and it's nice to have. you will still see retarded temps like 80+c when compiling shadersgot it, so worth getting it.
>>106934441>Do I NEED an AiO for the 9800X3Dyes don't believe the clowns saying it's not hot everything about it is hot from the thick ass IHS to the extra cache layer
Didn't intel have a generation of processors with a massive L3 cache (and everyone shit on it) like 10 years ago or did I imagine that?It was like x3d now only no one cared, good at games and a few random things, sidegrade everywhere else
>>106934449I'm currently in the process of swapping my mid tier gpu for a 9070xt/5070ti because of coil whine yet here you are with a 2k dollar plus gpu just taking it?You're either well off or extremely non confrontational
>>106934450Last time I had an asus mobo and didn't really like it, so I'm going to go with either MSI or Gigabyte now (no asrock as it's been obliterating cpus). MSI seems to have the better value for both B850 and X870, although the price difference between the X870 Tomahawk and X870 AORUS Elite is only $10. I'll look into this one and the X870e models to make sure I don't suffer PCIe lane sharing with my planned setup.How is your mobo? 10/10?>linuxboth that and 9070xt had surprising performance gains from drivers updates/tweaks so when it comes to longevity it's just the better choice for me. both it and 5070ti are good cards, but the extras on 5070ti are just not for me
>>106934519i literally cannot even hear it over my case fans
>>106934519I used to be that way. It's why so many white guys can't get jobs in tech, people from other aggressive societies tend to elbow them out.
>>106934479also, it wouldn't even make any sense to get a top cpu and not get a top cooler
>>106934275the 9800x3d is soldered so theres nothing to dry up
>>106934492They did but everyone just OC'd their 4790K instead
>>106934521Yeah I'd say 10/10. I had to flash the bios to make it work with my 9800x3d, but that was easy with the bios flash button. I also like the small LED display that shows post codes, I have it set to show my CPU temperature after booting. For lanes, you can only use 2 m.2 ssds (main slot and 3rd slot which goes through the mobo) before losing GPU lanes from 16 to 8 I think. I heard some people say Gigabytes' BIOS is bad, but I think it's good, nothing fancy and pretty similar to my previous ASUS TUF BIOS.
squidward, I don't feel so good.
New case, storage, CPU, GPU, and AIO. Getting ready to sell. Any thoughts on whether I should do a slight undervclt/OC on the CPU and GPU to pump the numbers a bit? Or just leave it all stock. I did raise the power limits from 181w short and long term to 200 since it was hitting the ceiling here and there. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4M3mwY
>>106934666Whatever you do, stability is king.I might lower the CPU's AC/DC load line values, ASUS boards have a feature that syncs the DC LL with the voltage regulator's LLC.This will show you more reliable voltage & power readings.
>>106934666>red case>satan number
>>106931481>>106931481>>1069292163090 arrives Monday my dick is already hard
>>106934964what made you buy a 5y old gpu
>>106934964>ai porn>last card with 3x8 pin power>24gb vram w/o breaking the bank
>real world performance doesn’t matter!>theoretical numbers in GPU-Z is all that matters!!looney troons
I paid just over 200 for this shit a week ago. What the fuck are these prices?
>>106934984Reality has never mattered much to someone that buys Radeon graphics cards
>>106935000drumpf personally going out of his way to be a facist and personally drive us oppressed poverty ridden pc gaymers to suicide.
>>106935000lol.
>>106935077My condolences.
>>106935077>>106935104Oh I didn't realize that was different ram, guess that was a fair price then?
>>1069351042/3rd ish price for 2/3rd capacity seems legit to me thoanyway iv been thinking of downgrading size to maybe get moar speed.. dual rank was a huge mistake i think
>>106932842Love the design, have one sitting in my living room waiting for my build. Hope it works out. I've watched a few build videos using it, seems to have lots of quality of life features.
>>1069344925775C had 128mb of edram that acts as an L4 cache with the igpu disabled. It's nowhere near as fast as it's L3 cache or amd's L3 cache and added maybe 5-10% gaming IPC while it's locked & low clock speeds cost it a couple %s making it barely any better than a 4790k or 6700k
>>1069349734x 3090 is superior to the Spark
>30 years oldI'm getting too old. Should I built a $2000 RTX 5090 system right now? I might not have enough healthspan left for being to enjoy video games.
>>106935158>$2000 RTX 5090 systemLmao, you can't even get a 5090 for that much now.
>>106935158XOC bios being locked away unless you want to talk to faggots on discord or something puts a damper on it but it's never too late to go full on with overclock autism.
>>106935165>nowwho's gonna tell him?
>>1069351585090s have the connector melting flaw. You're gonna have to step up to a $3300+ astral to have preventions (passive monitoring) against that or best to stick to a 5070ti or a 9070xt with traditional 8-pin connectors
>>106935158arent you a bit busy spending your free time with wife and kids to be playing video games
Built a new PC, my PSU produces intermittent buzzing sound. I've returned MONTECH TITAN GOLD 850, got MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 and it buzzes exactly the same, old Cougar CGR ST-500 didn't have this issue (on old PC or new PC without GPU, since it cannot power it), but these two PSUs buzz on both old and new PC. It can stay silent for 30-60 s or 1-3 minutes and then buzz for 15-30 seconds. Here's the wav file (note 3 levels: loud buzz, quiet buzz, no buzz): https://files.catbox.moe/rqvpe3.wavIt's loud, I can hear it across the room. This is 100% PSU, it's outside the case for testing purposes. It doesn't depend on the load, it even occurs when PC is turned off (but power cable is connected to the PSU). I'm 95% sure I found the issue -- 10 kHz intermittent noise in mains power, it's synchronized with buzzing. I've tried turning off all outlets and only connecting the oscilloscope to check if this noise is generated by my electronics and the noise is still present. Also it appears that before 7 AM or so there's no noise, at least on weekends. I live in a commieblock, it can be any device from any neighbor, maybe it affects whole building, idk. Tried different outlets, same thing. Any ideas how to fix it? I see only 2 solutions, either try to return this PSU again and get a new one, or try to filter this noise somehow. Getting a new PSU may help, since, apparently, both these new PSUs are based on CWT CSZ and maybe this noise is high enough (in magnitude) to vibrate input coils when it passes through them, perhaps other PSUs (not based on CWT CSZ) have different input filter topology and it will be fine, but it's a gamba. And about filtering this noise, it seems that online double conversion UPS can help but they are expensive, loud (according to reviews), they can even buzz themselves, who knows? If you think that getting a new PSU is preferable, which ones do you recommend? I have 9700x/5070 Ti, 850W is overkill, but want to have a room for an upgrade in the future.
>>106935203>It's loud, I can hear it across the room.I crank my fans to 100% during use.I take care of my gpu.fans are cheap (relatively)
More of a NAS than PC question, but Is $300 for 28TB external Seagate drives a place you'd want to pull the trigger? I know externals have shittier quality Bareacudas with shit warranty etc compared to good 24/7 nas quality ones, but is that a bad price?
>>106935143It seems to be a perfect case to put on your desk, which is why I am highly considering going with it.
>listening to this with new k13 r2rhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4JrXQrvidwflavortown in my ears my tomodachis
>>106934019common sense?
>>106935239That's what I plan on doing, building a desk for it right now. Just about to put the second coat of sealer on the bottom tonight. Got some special legs shipping out next week hopefully. Will be my first new and nice thing ever. Really hope it all comes together and can show you guys the before and after of 12 years of suffering.
>>106931481you don't need dram
I've been out of the PC hardware space for a couple years, looking for a new case. Current case is a Fractal Meshify 2, looking for something with around or slightly better quality than this and similar clean aesthetics. Always been a Fractal fanboy but I can assume the market has caught up to them by now.
what does /pcbg/ think of the i7-12700K?
>>106935432Meshify 3 is the best case for temps. There are wood options now if you want that or there's a new case that looks like a bubble.
>>106935449It's fine if you get one CHEAP and can score a CHEAP LGA1700 mobo. CHEAP is the key, otherwise it's not worth it. And it runs hot. Great cooling is a must.
>>106935449it is still amazing in 2025 and only starts to fall behind when you want autistically high frame rates
>>106935449Good, but it's usually too close in price to the 14600k, which is faster if you didn't know.
Just booted up rdr2, how do I start to buy slaves?
>>106935432HAVN BF360Bit on the high end but it's pretty much the best you can haveLancool 217 or Antec Flux are cheaper alternativesIf you want a Fractal it's Torrent or nothing
>>106935235I'd kill to be able to get a 28TB drive at that price
just got a 5070TI are the newest nvidia drivers still shit? should i rollback to 566.36?
>>106935960you can't use 566.36 on the 50 serieswelcome to the problem of owning a 50 series cardyour options are dogshit (576.12) or slightly less shit (581.57)
>>106935971fucking hell
>>106935960Just use the latest, what issue exactly are you even worried about?
>>106935197Having a life doesn't stop you from having hobbies, you just can't waste your entire life on it
>>106935960device hung crashes await you anon, enjoy
>>106936008He's an NVIDIA-obsessed shit poster.
Anyone got any good fan curves for the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III Pro 360?
>>106936114Seconding this, I got the same one and have no clue what to do with fans.
>>106936114keep pump at 100%if the pump noise is annoying to you then drop it to 60%set vrm fan to just follow cpu curve
>>106934052jesus christ dude, just because you're poor and get shitty frames, doesn't mean you need to make it everyone's problem
>>106932005I run a Define 7 on my deskdesklets are inferior
>>1069344799800X3D cache layer is under the core layer THOUGH.
>>106932144https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gehatx&xf=13226_420%7E9691_ATX
>>106935203>CWT CSZSince it's a problem even when idling, I would think it has to be the mains. I have the Thermaltake GF3 750W (not to be confused with the inferior GFA3) and the NZXT C850 ATX3.1 2024 version (2022 version is inferior), both CWT CSZ, both easily quieter than GPU fans/coil whine. Though to my knowledge they are arguably two of the best implementations of the platform, NZXT first and Thermaltake second. So make of that what you will. >try to return this PSU againThere is a fairly good chance that you'll just have noise again anyway because of mains, even giga-'top-tier' Seasonics have driven some anons schizo with coil whine probably due to dirty power rather than the unit. Try power line filtering/conditioning and fuck it even try ferrite beads. Unfortunately though, the issue may be deeper and require more beefy general power upgrades if you live in a really rundown commieblock. A double conversion UPS won't be much use because the smoothing benefit is counteracted by the added noise of the UPS itself. I hope you see this and it helps
>>106935203If it buzzes in the same pattern, the problem is probably with your mains power and those PSU designsTry something different and the noise might be diminished (or worsened). The Corsair rm1000i based on an older CET design I'm currently using is the quietest PSU I've ever owned, even quieter than the flextronics based ax1600i I have in electrical noise. Only issue is that I don't think they've updated it for atx3.1 yet
>>106936673>CETCWT*
>>106933223no no, but reallysomebody please please explain me the function of those fans >>106931936 above the psuare they moving hot air from the cage into the psu or hot air from the psu onto the gpu? or something entirely different that i can't comprehendi want to learn
>>106934666is that gpu braced? it seems to be sagging just in the pic, could be the angle of the photoi know that a bit of sagging is not the end of the world (if it is) but its the first thing that drew my eye
>>106936960PSU intake facing up, the fans pull fresh air through the PSU and to the GPUgot the same setup except with only one fan. Helps a bunch if you can manage dust
>>106934441A720 keeps my 9950X3D at 69C max during p95 small FFTsyou don't need liquid for AM5 unless you PBO
>>106937091Prime95 small ffts always runs cool on newer Ryzens because they heavily throttle from the TDC limitCompiling shaders in UE5 and decompressing big archives will run your CPU much hotter than linpack based stress tests do
>>106937193same workload w/ PBO on instantly spikes to 92 and steadily to 95 assuming stock PBO settingsthat workload runs cool because of AVX512currently hosting 4 MC servers off of CCD0 and it barely even goes above 50C. Would host more had I not actually need the other CCD for myself. Uni pays for electricity anyways so the whole investment is gonna pay off for itself in idk, 1 year
>>106931481I plan to make PC for gaming and AI slop generation.Here is my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kLssdb. Would you change anything? I can't get better GPU sadly as that is peak of my budget. Monitor I already have and I'm from Poland.
>>106937249>CPUProbably way overkill unless you're training on it or need multicore for something else.>MoboAlso overkill for your stated workloads. You do need a strong board to drive a 285K but you probably don't need a 285k in the first place.>RAMShould be at least 6400C32 and ideally 7000+ due to Arrow Lake latency issues. If you're not going to run fast RAM you might as well go 14th gen.>SSDNothing you mentioned benefits from fast storage. Make some savings here with a PCIe 4 drive.>Card5070Ti is a good fit but the Ventus is a loud/hot model. Seeing as you're going to be pegging it on the regular you should spend some money on a better cooler.Rest looks fine-ish depending on local pricing.
>>106937249285k is pretty slow for gaming unfortunately. Better to just get a 9800x3d (or 7800x3d that's 90% as fast) and a cheap motherboard and it will give you >25% FPS in CPU heavy games and save the rest. AI slop is dependant on the GPU and vram so there's no better option rn until the 5070ti super 24gb gets released in 6 months
>>106936650>I would think it has to be the mains.Yeah, that's what I've figured, see the picrel in my post, it's this 10 kHz 4-5 V peak-to-peak noise that sometimes occurs and that's when the buzzing starts. I'm sure both new PSUs are perfectly fine but don't play well with this noisy 230 V. And it doesn't help that the frequency of the noise right in the middle of hearing range.>Try power line filtering/conditioningWill look into it. Thank you.>the issue may be deeper and require more beefy general power upgrades if you live in a really rundown commieblock.Overall power is decent and stable, grounding seems fine, may get 1 blackout a year maybe, no brownouts AFAICT, it's just this periodic noise.>try ferrite beads.Already tried, nope. But they work for frequencies that are at least 100s of kHz, not for 10 kHz, and for way lower amplitudes. Was worth a try anyway.>A double conversion UPS won't be much use because the smoothing benefit is counteracted by the added noise of the UPS itself.Thanks, that confirms my suspicions. Won't even consider it then.>>106936673>If it buzzes in the same pattern, the problem is probably with your mains power and those PSU designsYes, same pattern on both PSUs, it was ok on old one (or maybe just quiet and unnoticeable).>Try something different and the noise might be diminished (or worsened).If I decide to get a new PSU, I will try one based on another design, but yeah, it's basically gambling.
>>106937351Can you do AI slop on AMD high-VRAM GPUs just like Nvidia GPUs?
anons, what is ultimately the best choice? ASUS TUF GAMING B850-PLUS or the MSI MAG B850 TOMAHAWK MAX? price difference of a whopping $10
>>106937512technically yes but picrel
>>106937512technically, but it's a fucking disaster getting it to work and the performance is dog slow
>>106937546reminder there are AMPajeets in this thread that got conned into buying a 7900XTX for AI based off a single faked deepseek benchmark
I'm considering buying a vega 64 that was probably used for mining. How retarded is this idea? They go for around 60 euros
>>106937648buying a Vega 64 period is retarded
>>106933547>120mmSudooko MACH120>140mmSilverstone FHP141
>>106937648Wouldn't recommend it for a main rig. That HBM was notorious for warping under high load like eth mining.
>>106937588now that's some emotional damage, kek
>>106937546Those 8gb results are weird
>>106937663why? They perform decently and cost half as much as an 5700xt>>106937667well fuck, thanks
>>106937672>Pic I'm gonna say 4.
>>106937249just wait for the 48GB consumer card :D
>>106937684Yeah that's basically the reason they're so cheap. That plus EoL driver support.
>>106937305>>106937351Well I could try to do some streaming with vtuber avatar generation. Tried to do it on my laptop and it was not working well so If I could do this on such PC I would be really happy.
>>106937704EoL drivers aren't really a problem since I use linux. How do I make sure that it' memory isn't failing before I buy the card?
>>106937799You could ask the guy to run a VRAM stress test like OCCT and look out for artefacting. Ofc even a "good" card could go bad in short order but that's just par for the course with used hardware.Some more info. HMB cards at the ~10min mark.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0npiqjEWQ
>>106937842Thanks a lot, I'll watch that video now
anyone know when is the ryzen 7 9700F coming out in global stores? It's been a month and I still don't see them anywhere.
>>106935262false
>>106933326gpu finally may have competition
So frame generation is only bad if Nvidia does it?
>>106938237that's how it always has been, some new tech is bad until AMD has an adequate version of it
>>106938237no?
>>106938237I mean I tried FSR frame gen (BO6) and turned it off pretty much immediately, not tried Nvidia frame-gen as I don't play new enough games on my RTX 3070
>>106933918>>106933858>>106933897>>106933939>>106934262>>106934984I can't believe retards here are saying "GPU-Z is fake info"
>>106938498nvidia retarded board. missing rops jits.
>>106938501>missing ropsKEKhow do RTX faggots even recover from that? last I checked they denied warranty to those affected.
>>106938498What do you expect from retards that think 5070 > 9070
>>106938507>>106938501>>106938498you could make your cope samefagging less obvious
what caused the sudden radeon clitty leakage?
>>106938513Are you the stupid faggot that thinks GPU-Z is fake news yet posts fake benchmarks like GameGPU?
>>106938519Various people ITT called GPU-Z irrelevant and "theoretical".
>>106938522Which is stupid, wrong, retarded, and shows how delusional they are.
>>106938519RTXfaggots think green gpu is better than red when its the opposite>>106938512
>>106938525>>106938522>>106938520catastrophic clitty leakage currently occurring
>>106938529RTX is still slower and has worse drivers objectively. >>106938512
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>>106938537lol
ahh i see what it was, radeonclittyleak was so that he could spam to 300 posts and make the OP
Recommendations for a (small) gaming pc with the cpu and gpu performance being around 5600x3d and 3070/3080?Better is allowed but not really necessary, budget is around 2000 euro
I'm trying to RMA a bad card and msi has decided they are going to fuck me. Any advice here? Should I bitch to amazon about the fucked region?
>>106939684Yeah, Amazon needs to get involved. Fortunately, they're pretty good about dealing with issues like this.
This is my first time cleaning a gpu. Are these globs normal? They look like glue. I’m afraid to pick them off for risk of damaging the traces.
>>106939684it seems quite obvious that you should contact Amazon support, seeing as MSI claims its their fuckup.
