Move to The Democratic Republic of the Congo.

>>107037646
OP add the whole text with links for the next thread https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106855368/

>>107037619
wait, the middle class still exists?

don't believe the official unemployment numbers, this is more accurate
https://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

how many applications are you jeets at?
>~600
>1% interview chance, mostly defense contractors. Probably because I have a clearance
>1 offer

>>107037600
>>107037728
>check this out: https://www.shadowstats.com

>Latest Commentaries Subscription required Subscription
>Flash Commentary No, 1460b June 20th, 2021
>• Fundamentals Could Not Be Stronger for Gold and Silver, nor Weaker for the U.S. Dollar and Stocks
oy vey, but it sounds like he's one of those goys who have been a doomer forever

I was reading 40k so we're basically tech priests right?
But in 40k there's no unemployment.
Techpriests don't have to work at walmart to make money. They don't have to abandon technology to make money.

So whats going on in our world?
Why are we being forced away from computers and machines?

>>107037756
>so we're basically tech priests right?
no. they will exist soon though. there will be eventually AIs that require large amounts of specialized knowledge to wrangle, and these people will be the new tech priest class

there already is a Priest class in modern America though that speaks to the God of Money, i mentioned this today in either a /twg/ or /utwg/ thread i forget

>>107037774
but we're supposed to be those people right now.

aren't we supposed to curate the slop AI is making?

I don't know if that's the job that mercor is spamming at us

>>107037681
he doesn't have a job for a reason, retard

>>107037749
I think anons are smart enough to see what has value and ignore what does not:
https://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

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>>107037782
AI is fucked. It is about to be Napster-ed
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/openai-must-face-copyright-infringement-claim-authors-court-rules

Unemployed people surrounded by a lot of desperate labor can just start a business or become self employed and eventually hire people.

>>107037782
>>aren't we supposed to curate the slop AI is making?
yeah that's called "code review in 2025" anon. when you get a job that is exactly what you will be doing

>>107037818
dude, read your own link. this chart is only value for showing that "when a metric becomes a target, it ceases to be a useful metric". we already know GDP and CPI are worthless. real GDP growth in the US in 2025 is 0.1% without datacenter capex

>>107037851
A few anons on the last board seemed to not know.
Yes, and the stock market is not the economy....some anons seem to not know that either.

The enlightened must constantly educate the unenlightened because a there's a fool born every minute.

>>107037851
>code review in 2025
how do I prepare for this?

>>107037871
>Yes, and the stock market is not the economy....some anons seem to not know that either.
but the problem is that the stock market is real money for everyone who isn't a billionaire.

i could start a factory and contribute to the world, and make 5% a year, and I have to deal with running a fucking factory. or I could dump that capital into the stock market and make 10% a year. guess what I'm choosing?

>>107037876
have you never reviewed a pull request before? have you ever had an actual tech job? I guess you could review random people's PRs in open source repositories you care about

>>107037876
Not that anon but...
You don't, anon is off there.

>>107037894
No, you could not start a factory. Because the big established factories would squash you like a bug that is if the government regulations even let you open your factory.

>>107037741
total/interview/offer is 67/6/1. I'm in the same boat, any applications outside of ClearanceJobs just get ignored or rejected.

>>107037918
sure, nitpick my point about how real returns are lower than stockmarket returns lol its not about the factory

>>107037845
That is how the business cycle works in a laissez-faire free market. But we don't have a laissez-faire in USA. In USA it is corporate socialism; crony capatilism; government granted monopolies; failed-zombie banks propped up by the government propping up failed-zombie megacorporations. It has been this way for a very long time. In 2008 it just became the official policy.

>>107037946
nigger this is a general for unemployed tech workers. so how about you stop doomposting and just get to the point/praxis. do you want me to kill politicians? what do you want me to do with this information? give up?

>>107037876
nobody does code reviews in 2025. Agents do that.

>>107037928
Ok, so... I don't want you to think I am nitpicking so...
Research P/E ratio and P/B ratio.
The issue with the stock market, the fraud market, is that the market price does not reflect the underlying asset which are basically failing companies buying back their own stock with borrowed money.

How do i get a job?

>>107037986
know someone who has a job.

>>107037969
valuations being detached from reality has nothing to do with me making the rational decision to put my money in the stock market to make 10% a year instead of putting my money into something actually real and beneficial to society for 5% a year. again, I can cash out those crazy valuations for real money as long as I'm not a billionaire so it's still all real to me

>>107037958
Um... Here is some praxis for you. Assume nobody is coming to help, nobody, and things will not get better. Shit. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Don't sit around hoping. Don't sit around thinking the government can help you. It's basically just you finding a way to get some daily bread and a place to sleep.
Here's some general advice: Lower your expectations about the future.

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>>107037986
apply. go outside and meet people. shake hands.

>>107037988
I think we are really saying the same thing, accept for the part where I've lived through a few cycles and your 10% per year will be a (1000%) -- a negative loss-- when you needed the money most.
It's a trap. I invest in ammunition and tuna fish.

>>107038009
cool you gave me nothing actionable and you're just shitting up the thread now. you could have literally said "learn how to make a fire" and that would have been a more valuable contribution to the thread

>>107037986
>>107038023
unironically: learn a trade or a technician skill.

>>107038021
>I invest in ammunition and tuna fish.
you should invest in a book if you think you can have a 1000% loss you fucking retard lmao

I'm honestly tired of applying to internships and not getting anywhere, I think I'll just give up and spend my last year just learning embedded, computer vision, and computer graphics. Maybe I'll go to grad school if I cannot get a new grad job.

Every single day I'm closer to just learning how to live off the grid and move away from civilization.

I'm at my wit's end.
I've got 3 years of experience in security. I interviewed with a bigger company, went through 3 rounds. The second interview with the level 2 analysts went great, the other ones felt moderately successful. After the third interview, recruiter emails me saying she'll be in touch with the next steps.
That was two weeks ago today.
I emailed her exactly one week ago asking for an update and got nothing in response.
'm going to email again on Thursday to space it out some but am I just fucked here guys or what? Why is there 0 communication even when I directly contact them? I'm still submitting applications everywhere but this feeling of defeat is permeating everything I do.

>>107038033
I also invests in books.
yeah. that's where all the money you "made" is lost and also all the money you put in is gone too. Let's say you are looking at your trading account right now and it says $200,000. that shit gonn be worth $2000. do the math dickweed.
I'm gonna be eating tuna fish out of a can while sniping muthafuckas waving around there 401k statement.

>>107038046
>Why is there 0 communication even when I directly contact them?
There's probably thousands of applicants as everyone is getting laid off en mass and they can't be bothered to reply to you

>>107037845
I want to do this but my area of expertise is setting up cloud based systems, and I don't think anyone would hire a consultant to set up a ticketing system for them.

>>107037987
too much socialization required
>>107038010
>>107038031
truke

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>>107037845
>try to start a company
>it actually has to be profitable
>shlomo shekelbern yitzbaum goldstein can hit up his friends at google, openAI, and blackrock
>HEY GUYS I HAVE AN IDEA FOR A PORNOGRAPHY AI LINKED STARTUP - DILDOS THAT REACT TO THE PORN YOU'RE PLAYING (WITH AI)
>sure thing shlomo, here's 2 billion dollars, don't worry about profitability for the next 10 years!
thanks for the advice

>>107038158
So many people start businesses from scratch

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>>107038184
OpenAI was founded 10 years ago and they have never made a single cent of profit

>>107038205
seems to be the sillycon valley special. Wasn't Tesla and Uber similar?

>>107038031
What if you don't have time for years in trade school?
What's the quick thing to do?

>>107038205
That means you have to start 3 businesses to succeed

>>107038229
thanks let me do that with 2 months worth of rent in my bank account

>>107038217
then it's a mcjob in the meantime. isn't there anything useful you're good at?

>>107038245
coding
computers

>>107038245
Coding

>>107037774
Is that our future
AI wranglers

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if I have to commute and go back to the refinery life I might kms (not really but fuck)

>>107038323
you worked in an oil refinery? nigga that's dope
bro is hydro cracking crude oil IRL

>>107038316
Another word for it is vibe code and functionality auditor.
All that slop needs to be tested.
Surely an AI can't test its own slop. That's like telling cops to investigate themselves to find wrong doing.

I remember it was so easy to get a job in January, it only took me one series of interviews to get the job. It was 3 but at the same company. Something is wrong maybe it's the interest rates.

>>107038323
Better than Uber jeets. You left a job like that?

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>>107038327
hydrocrackers are small time (and thankfully one of the easier projects to work on tbqh)
real niggas trip the fluidized cat cracker and walk away.
>tfw an operator did fat finger the air controller and tripped it immediately
>>107038357
It required significant travel but there are a handful of positions on the other side of town specifically targeted for my old skills which I know is impossible to hire for because it's filled with retards. But the companies that require minimal travel are also shitters I don't want to work at...but one place asking for 25% travel would easily pay $150-175k...but man, fuck travel. Fuck travel. If I can't find anything in tech by late December I may just need to move. I'm going to miss my 3.2% mortgage...kinda don't want to breathe in that air anymore, either.

>>107038425
>fluidized cat cracker
what the hell bruh factorio didn't teach me this shit

what's easier in the current year? getting a job or a gf?

>>107038454
Getting a gf

>>107037922
that's how you know that the unemployment problem is 100% due to jeets. As soon as you filter them out, you start getting interfvews and offers

>>107038454
gf.

>>107038476
>>107038481
How do I get a gf

>>107037922
I had to apply to 3x as much as you to get 6 interviews. Still no job.

>>107038495
Strike up a conversation at the food bank

>>107038454
i have had multiple jobs
I have not had a girlfriend

>>107038454
Been unemployed for two years and got, kept, then later dumped (she was batshit crazy) a 9/10 GF during that time, all of this as a NEET with zero money. Zero interviews when it comes to my career, so yes getting a gf is easier 100% in this market.

>>107038512
I never had a problem getting a job and never had a gf
I have an amazing gf now and can't even get interviews

>>107038478
Serious question for everyone:

How much of this difficulty in getting a job is due to underqualified jeets clogging up recruitment pipelines? It seems like the industry has reverted to referrals etc. as the only way of bypassing this problem.

>>107038521
It has to be a serious issue. You just know these retards are applying for jobs that explicitly say they can't sponsor their H1B visa because they cant fucking read or just don't care about the rules and think they can con the company into doing it anyways because the rules don't apply to fucking jeets in India.

>>107038506
any good lines

>>107038691
>so how long have you been homeless?

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>>107037986
right now? you don't

>>107038691
"I have some crack"

>>107038217
>trade school
>for years

No it doesn't work that way. No you don't need trade school. And yeah it might take a couple years to start making some good money but when you start out--> you don't really know shit enough to earn good money.

Not sure if you are in USA but you just apply to any trade/technician job that says "Apprentice" or "Entry-Level" or "Trainee" in the title and you either learn it right there on the job or attend a training program from 2 weeks to 10 weeks that the company pays for, before you start the job, and bam you are in. Then you work the job and work your way up into the trade. Here are the big turnoffs that stop alot of folks:
1) You have to be able to pass a drug test when you apply
2) You usually need a driver's license and no criminal record involving stealing shit
3) You will at first make less per hour than you could make in some no-skill job

the reason for (3) is because they plan on filtering and firing the idiots before giving you real work to do, and it actually costs them money to train you and stop and teach you shit for the first 6 months, and make sure that you are not an idiot. After 6 months - 1 year you will get the actual entry-level pay.

>WHITE
>NOT HISPANIC OR LATINO
>NOT A VETERAN
>NOT DISABLED
>MALE

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>>107038853
might apply to chick fila tomorrow

>>107038521
underqualified jeets in hiring manager roles and in outsourced-HR roles is the real ratfuckery of the situation.

>>107038895
Also correct. Jeets in any senior roles, honestly. They will recommend their fellow jeet friends directly to hiring.

>>107038876
Does warehousing and forklifting count?

>>107038913
forklifting--> yes
warehousing--> no
forklift mechanic apprentice--> now we talkin' bro, get in there

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>>107038521
The macro situation is not good, but every unemployed native born would find a job overnight if 99% of foreign worker visas were revoked and they were all sent home

>>107037842
My dude, Trump controls the Supreme Court. We just needs one of his many Tech CEO cocksuckers to come crying to him and AI is saved.

>>107038947
Ok. Do you know of any healthcare related jobs like this? Or pharma?
Even working with an ambulance was a 3 year degree last I checked

>>107038887
at least they seem to hire white people

>>107038948
yup, look at this shit: https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/09/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-suspends-the-entry-of-certain-alien-nonimmigrant-workers
here's a quote "The share of IT workers with H-1B visas has risen from 32% in FY 2003 to over 65% in recent years."

>>107038962
Yes they're racist.

>>107038495
How should I know I have neither

>>107038976
jesus christ

>>107038961
No. Ambulance driving is done by an EMT or a Fireman. Plus fuck healthcare, that's just helping boomers live longer. The H1B africans will accidently kill them all soon and get sent back. don't interfere with that.

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All they have to do is lower the rates and we go back to work.

>>107038980
>its racist to hire white people, who comprise 50% of the population

>>107037922
Same here. The only interviews I actually get now are from dod contractors. Still haven't had much luck though and get plenty of rejections from these jobs too. They really upped the requirements for a lot of stuff.

>>107037741
230 applications 1 interview no offer.

>>107038976
why are we not blockading india yet?

>>107039207
Because we have a jeet occupied whitehouse that threatens to "aggressively prosecute" people for noticing that jeets are taking over industries: https://x.com/aagdhillon/status/1982875887600013333?s=46

>>107037845
You need capital to start a business and you cant get a small business loan let alone survive in the meantime while your business gets off the ground if you dont have a job, genius
This shit is so fucking delusional its only unemployed dreamers and retirees who tell people "just start a business!"

>>107037681
>>107037805
>utwg
>links
you must be new here
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/101988699/

>>107039207
We just need to change hiring laws so people can hire only people from their race again and we'll just give black people business loans until they have enough jobs for themselves or they can just keep making different fun meme companies that go bankrupt and live off that. Then people of every race will have companies and don't have to worry about being crowded out by the majority.

>my security clearance process is on hold because of the shutdown
i hate politicians like you wouldn't believe

>>107039288
hoooooly shit lmao

>>107039251
>t. Guy who doesnt know anything about post 1960s legal history

>>107039251
Or you can be exclusive to one race or you can hire anyone but then you cant be discriminate based on race. All or nothing. And free loans for unemployed groups.

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>>107038454
I'm trying to get a job but don't care about a 3dpd skank that will just make me more miserable. I have other stuff to keep myself entertained in the meantime.

>>107038158
>HEY GUYS I HAVE AN IDEA FOR A PORNOGRAPHY AI LINKED STARTUP - DILDOS THAT REACT TO THE PORN YOU'RE PLAYING (WITH AI)
...you've just given me quite the idea, sir.

>>107039241
>You need capital to start a business
Not if you become a consultant. As long as you have like a hundred bucks to register the company name you can frontload 99.9% of the costs onto your clients.

>>107039288
no wonder contracts feel really slow lately

>>107039288
Not a mutt, do these guys get paid in the shutdown.

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>>107039207
it's a mystery.
MIGAtards voted for this.

>>107039430
windians rising

>>107039225
So like...what is their end goal, exactly? Piss off white people enough that they declare race war against the poos?

>>107039430
I hate that faggot so much.

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I'm 25 and graduated with a CS degree last year and kinda gave up on finding tech work for a while but now I'm interviewing for basic helpdesk/IT roles.

I've been dreaming for a while now to enlist in the Air Force/Space Force in a cyber/programming role, do my 4 years, get my benefits and exit. Becoming an officer takes too long (1.5 years) and has a low acceptance rate.

Is this a good path to a $150k+ job after I'm out? IT help desk seems like a dead end trap.
I want to make a fuck ton of money and do cool and interesting shit.

After I get out of the military, I'd do a master's in software engineering at Carnegie Mellon's Silicon Valley campus and try to apply for startup incubators.

I've got an uncle who died in the military though, so basically my entire family is strongly against it. I'm basically a loser living with my parents with no shit going on and don't even feel like a fully developed man, basically the same person I was at 17.

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HES BACK!!!!!!

>>107039597
>hes unemployed as well
lmao

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>>107039225
>jeets that shouldn't be in the country drive a truck into oncoming traffic and murder a family of 5
>>please stop with the sikhphobia and hinduphobia

>>107039623
He has google on his resume lol he can find some decent 150k a year job at no name company easily...

>>107039562
considering that the joint cyber nigga school is like 9 months(?) it'd probably be a 6-year contract
You could try Coast Guard so you can actually defend America instead of dying for jews

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>>107039674
>no name company
>150k
>For someone who doesnt make products
Google or not no name companies dont care about the one ETL task you did at google. Let alone even getting 150k from a no name without being atleast senior-architect level.

>2022
>everyone is hiring left and right
>2025
>no one is hiring, layoffs everywhere
Idgi
nothing fucking changed, you're telling me that jews moved around a few digits between bank accounts and now everyone is unemployed?

>>107039851
You underestimate how influential brand recognition can be.

>>107039879
I think your underestimating how particular "no name" companies can be. Google might get you the interview but Im half certain these types do terrible on non leetcode style interviews and extreme project deep dives.

I see alot of unused talent here, anyone wanna start a defi project?
It might pay out might not. Msg me.

Telegram: Liizofi

>>107039562
Just curious but dy also post on Reddit?

Think I might've seen some of your posts

So many layoffs we can support a thread and hit bump limit before /twg/

>watching some video about how a 20 year old autist made a custom hack client that RCE'd into everyone's pcs in minecraft
>and then used the RCE to steal their accounts and blow all their shit up
wish I had this sort of autism so I could be making 300k a year

Got rejected in 29 minutes after applying.

>>107039869
>nothing fucking changed
What the fuck are you on about? Do you not read the news or something?

>>107040595
Ive gotten instant rejections that come in as soon as I click apply

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>product designer with 8 years of experience
>laid off in may
>have applied to over 250 mid/senior level product design or ux design roles
>i've interviewed with 7 companies
>3 of those companies i made it to the final round but was denied (each of them having 4 rounds total)
>hiring season is pretty much over now that we're in the holiday season
i'm not gonna make it am i

>>107041251
also one of those companies i made it to the final round the ceo already sent the offer to their friend and essentially told me i was the back up in case they didn't accept
also another interesting anecdote, the recruiter at a staffing agency that's hiring on behalf of a fintech company told me they only put 4 candidates forward and i'm currently their best, which is funny cause the role had hundreds of applicants

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>>107039914
Why are Indians and Russians trying to scam westerners here with this shit.
Chinas rich go scam them

Are you guys going trick or treating?

>>107041725
SUCK MY FUCKING ASS YOU GOD DAMN STUTTERING FUCKING PARROT! FUCK OFF!

>>107041725
No. I'm going cock sucking.

the reason your getting scammed is we need to return to Gold Standard. Gold is most valuable metal on earth for good reasons. If empoloyer had to pay in gold then the job market would be so much fair...

>>107042033
One of the first things that would go down the shitter if that happens is IT because it's all a big scam propped up by funny money
So obviously I also wish we went to the gold standard

the dark days are over. now come the even darker days

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>>107039562
Even ignoring the college benefit, medical while you are in, and clearance which is real money btw. The real benefit is job experience you gain. Do 6 years instead of 4 to get the most experience you can. If you like the military then you can go for retirement. I make 140k right now working in IT and i can thank the job experience from the military giving that to me.

>>107042107
why would having to pay IT wagies in gold bars instead of fiat money to reset your password every monday after you've forgotten it due to a hangover destroy IT

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>>107039895
I do terrible at leetcode style bullshit because in my seven years of expirience that crap was NOT EVEN ONCE remotely relevant and my dynamic programming 'skills' atrophied like crazy
Now it takes me forever to puzzle through and I can't pass even first rounds of a FAANG style interview even though they love my resume and I get actively recruited by Amazon and Google
Honestly makes me want to kill myself that I'm forced to jump through flaming hoops to entertain these hiring managers instead of showing off my actual skills in a pair programming session or explaining my thought process in a sample code review
When was the last time you were presented with a real-life issue that could be solved using DFS or even worse goddamn 2D-DP? Why the fuck can't I demonstrate my knowledge in a way that has anything to do with actual problems I could encounter in real life?
For godssake can't I just optimize some SQL queries or write out and justify a plan for a new feature or SOMETHING that can actually prove I'm not retarded or bullshitting my resume expirience rather than merely proving I can perfectly recall the least useful aspects of college courses I took almost a decade ago?
FUCK

>>107042221
It's not about paying wages, it's about investment and financing that actually makes these companies run. Apple sits on a shitload of cash, but in order to buyback their own stock they apply for a loan with big banks because they can get billions of freshly printed dollars backed by nothing with like 1% interest or less. Their stock keeps growing far more than that per year so for them it's literally generating free money. In a world with a real currency that would be fucking impossible, or at least cause someone to lose a lot of money.

The reason so many companies and individuals buy stock like that at all is that a lot of people worldwide are left with plenty of this funny money that enters the system with above mentioned loans that keeps losing its value, so they have to invest it somewhere. Chinks and Arabs that sell oil and shit to USA end up with dollars they have to reinvest somewhere where dollars are accepted and just take for granted stocks will rise indefinitely. If that wasn't the case, I wonder which fucking investor would tolerate keeping his money in a SV fag corpo that fails to turn a profit for a decade?

Then let's not forget that the government bank ran by the CIA actually gave considerable backing to kickstart some of these successful unicorns like fagbook because they are using it to datamine the world for intelligence purposes.

Remember how many people were making startups back in 2022?

>>107042421
ok pretend i made the same post but instead of implying it's Tyler McJeet doing it, that i was making reference to an MSP continuing to exist instead of small business owners and private users not doing their own support in-house

>>107042395
It honestly feels like applying to be a jewler and instead of showing off recently cut and polished gems they want to see me strip-mining coal
Applying to be a fashion designer and they want to see me spinning up a spool of yarn after providing me an unshorn sheep
Applying to be a teacher and they want to watch me fuck to see if I know how to produce a kid
I'm so sick of this shit

I should be done with BSEE+accelerated MSEE by 2029
Hopefully by then the AI bubble popped, hardware industry defrothed, I can weasel into a defense contractor and do FPGA programming for a while (they can't hire jeets or use AI becuz ITAR) and rack up RTL experience until the next hardware boom kicks off again

>>107042478
Bro? Youre clearnace?

>>107042519
I live in a state where weed is legal and all of the tech bros are stoners if not massive shroom/acid heads while I live like a mormon, that will not be a problem

>>107042532
if you dont have TS SCI Cosmic OA already your ngmi

>>107042536
I disagree

>>107042446
take meds

>>107042637
>if you think IT support is a valid service worth paying for, you need meds

hey there /utwg/
it's Wednesday! Half of the week already over! Hope you have more interviews scheduled! We're almost at the dead months of the year for hiring!
I wanna fucking die!

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Thank god a 12 pack of eggs is less than 3 dollar in my state, i can avoid starvation for another month as my beans and rice stockpile dwindles. I only go to the store for veggies & eggs now while supplies last.

>>107042695
I have an interview with the CEO of a small startup
The startup currently consists of that guy and his wife
Not really sure what to expect but damn I'm just happy to be talking to a real human bean instead of recording video responses or "talking" to a fucking AI chatbot

>>107037741
200 applications, 6 interviews, 0 offers.

>>107042755
>guy and his wife
You are going to show up to the casting couch while you cuck him with his wife on camera anon.

>>107042755
>The startup currently consists of that guy and his wife
Recently got rejected from one of those.

>>107042777
hey as long as they pay me im flexible on responsibilities

>>107042548
you know nothing. you have no basis upon which to stand in disagreement. other anon is trying to give you some wisdom, but you just puke it back as if your opinion mattered one iota. protip: it doesn't.

>>107042755
that shit sounds fake and gay. they just going to use you and discard you. make sure the paycheck is real, ignore any stock options as completely fucking worth it.
it's a trap.

>>107042478
this has got to be the dumbest post in the history of /utwg/
anon is like 4 weeks into his first semester and thinks he already knows how to get a job
crom laughs at this inanity.
learn from your elders and pick a different major lest you accelerate into master bating.

>>107042755
these sorts of "businesses" are the worst. they are always the most entitled people around and yet have no knowledge of what they even want or need, let alone how to make it work. they will try to hire you for peanuts and then you will just be their personal slave

>>107042478
>anon is still in high school but thinks he's gonna get a job at Lockheed

>>107042996
yep. i replied to same post. i meant to say stock options completely fucking worthless. that shit's a trap.

>>107042967
>>107042996
honestly, probably, but im at the point where im willing to be whipped daily if it comes with a halfways decent paycheck

>>107043030
if the check ever fails to cash, walk to courthouse and file a warrant in debt lawsuit. ask for signing bonus equal to first paycheck. if they get pissed off then they are fake. "business" people only get angry when caught in a lie.

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Here are the numbers from the amazon firing yesterday in Washington (from the WARN notice).

>>107043054
will diddly do nonny, thank you for the warning and advice
>>107043055
also goddamn they really slashed all these software dev positions but only 4 useless HR managers? bleak

>>107043083
hr makes the number go UP though

>>107043055
Data engineers weren't fired much? Insane.
Data engineering roles are pretty much impossible to get.

>>107043055
HR sisters stay winning. Slay queens>>107043282

>>107042996
I have a job in one of these and this is my experience too. My only advice is don't let them meme you into not working remotely. They tried with me, they liked the feeling of having employees show up for work, it made them feel like a real company. I caved in for a few months but when I realized that they had no vision for their company and barely cared about the product or their clients, I just stopped showing up in office and they didn't complain. Good luck anon

>>107042777
>implying the cuck isn't his wife and anon will get plowed from behind by the CEO

LINKEDIN IS DOWN HERE REEEEEEEEE

>>107043670
Azure is down.

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>Azure is down
https://downdetector.com/status/windows-azure/

time to nap in my cubicle

>>107043055
and how many H1B's are they going to request next week...

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>>107041725
yes I'm going to dress up as a femboy and go to your dad's house

>>107043823
Hot

>>107043555
They want me in three days of the week which is eh, its not too far so its not a huge deal
>>107043626
well, needs must i guess
wish he was hotter though

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>>107043055

Why don't you just learn C and Cuda and start porting programs to run on gpu instead of cpu for big businesses?

>>107043968
are you going to pay me to do it?

>>107043989
hahaha no you should've graduated from college already knowing this obscure knowledge!!!

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Just migrate to Japan and become a farmer already

do defense contractors do random piss tests or is it just for the pre-employment phase?
>t. chad stoner

>>107044898
piss? ohhhh nigga enjoy your hair follicle tests :^)

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good news bros grubhub finally opened a spot in my market and i got accepted!

>>107044922
>misread grubhub as github and got excited
RIP

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>just had interview
>turned into a bit of a nervous stuttering mess during some parts but they still told me directly in the interview that they were really impressed by my experience and that I'd be a great fit and they'd get back shortly
bros? surely they're not bullshitting me and I actually lucked out this time?

>>107045272
>anime image
I genuinely hope you get ghosted

>>107045272
cant think of anything but that twitter chud when I see that tranime girl

>>107037646
Someone got back to me for a job I applied at job.now that they think my background looks great and want to interview. But I don't even know the job description.

>>107045272
if they didnt offer you a job on the spot, sorry bro...

>>107038853
I heard amazon was mostly just sales people

>>107045272
>anime image
I genuinely hope you get the job

What if the detectors just all have magnets in them and that's why the super position collapses (the particle is actually just touching both places and going back and forth really fast).

>>107043005
>>107042990
>>107042948
If any of you knew anything about getting and keeping jobs, you would be in /twg/, not /utwg/

>>107045302
>>107045311
>anime chud potentially gets a job and you don't
wow, must suck to be you

>>107045658
>potentially

>>107042990
I am a 25 year old man.
I am attending a top 20 school in a state with substantial defense contractor presence, as well as a relative shortage of qualified candidates for the work they do on account of the druggie tendencies of the average tech worker here.
I happen to know there are several undergrad research opportunities every year that are nothing but doing FPGA work to help econ and physics dorks do simulations. There are also several "early career" FPGA internship and job opportunities posted by the companies I'm targeting. I also happen to be longtime family friends of cleared employees at Lockheed. None of this adds up to a guarantee, certainly.
You are implying that, in perpetuity, defense contractors only hire people who currently have the highest clearance. That might be true today given political quirkiness. To make that claim even a year in the future, let alone multiple, is a much bolder claim than I've made.
I also didn't insinuate I can cruise through until I get the funny piece of paper. Any tech job is insanely competitive. It will probably be very hard. I will have to pull ridiculously good projects out of my ass on top of the undergrad research thing to even hope for an internship, and it probably won't be FPGA related. My odds are not great. But my odds are not great in any given avenue I could pursue, the "stable easy job" is extinct for all industries. Even being an EE in the power industry would be a big gamble, since the whole impending "power boom" that graybeards keep frothing about is partially contingent on an AI datacenter boom, which is yet to prove itself sustainable.
How about this: I promise I won't come crying to you if I end up dead in a ditch with a fent needle in my arm.
I am getting the sense you gain satisfaction from kicking the young ans earnest in the teeth. That is a sad trait.

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>23
>no degree
>4yoe at 2 different companies
>been out of work for 8 months (neeted for 5, only started taking the job hunt seriously in the last 3)
I feel like a failure because I don't have a degree. I can do the work and I know my shit decently well, but I know I'm missing out on opportunities because I don't have the piece of paper saying I'm a good goy. Idk what to do anymore. I know the market is shit but my last job only took me 1 month of searching to get and I'm feeling terrible this time around. Like it might be over and I won't get a job in this field again. I don't know what to do. I kinda want to go back to college now for EE or something but that won't fix any of my problems since I have bills to pay and I need a job asap, while a degree MIGHT help my chances of getting something better... in like 4+ years.

But then again I look around and everyone with a degree is just as fucked as I am.

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>interview a week for 4 weeks
>boss seems really nice
>tasks seem interesting
>say i'm the perfect fit
>just do these few coding questions
>ez i'm pretty good at this
>click start
>48 hour timer
>first one is pretty "easy" but takes like 3 hour
>second one is pure insanity
>third is the dumbest shit i've ever seen
>get email about results
>they say they accidentally sent the hardest questions they have
>because i failed 2 of them they tell me to fuck off in an email
i think this is what dying feels like

anyone want a job at my startup? no wfh and you gotta be in NY

>>107045971
pass

>>107037646
The moment you give a hint or mention being single, HR roastie will count you out. They search your socials and they better find you in a happy or loving relationship. That's how HR roasties work. No pussy? No sex, nor entry to the economy.

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>>107046066
why doesnt she just start an onlyfans?

>>107045971
fuck no

>>107045971
1. do you actually pay, or is it all in stock
2. any openings for ios/macos development?

>>107045971
>NY
nah

>>107045940
total recrooter death

>>107045971
lol @ NY

>>107046151
around 180 to 200k
but no, this is fintech, looking for backend engineers

>>107045587
if you knew anything about the industry you wouldn't be starting your journey into it

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>>107045971
NYer here send deets
maybe I will be free...

>>107046026
kill yourself u fucking roach nigger. they look at your socials to see if you are a downtrodden goy enough to take the bribe to shut your fuckhole trap. go suck a dick again.

Will the layoffs stop now that they cut by 25%?
Last time they devalued currency we got a lot of jobs. In 2021 everyone was hired left right and center.

>>107041725
Whatever puts food on the table

>>107046080
Not everyone is a whore like you.

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>>107046080
I think it's because AI is affecting OnlyFans.
Also it really depends on the male you have available. If he's ugly or his dick is too small then you make less money.

>>107042478
>AI bubble popped, hardware industry defrothed
Nigger do not you realise this makes it exponentially HARDER to find a job?

>>107046369
>troon on troon violence.webm

>>107046360
it's a perfectly valid option for unemployed women. we don't have that luxury.

>>107045790
I'm not sure how you found your way onto this board but the people here do not conform to your perception of them. There are many other engineering fields other than CS and EE. Pick one of those. You sound like an indoctrinated robot right now. If you can't take constructive criticism and trukes, then don't post here. You think some jeet with a GC can't get a clearance? wise up boy.

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What is the correct response to:
>do you use AI in your day-to-day work?

>>107046413
NTA but this is retarded. EE is the best engineering field you can enter right now. Everything else either pays worse and/or has an even worse job market.

>>107046203
1. im willing to relocate and take less pay
2. what are the actual skills you're looking for? I have ~3 years of experience in AWS (mostly in the context of ios integration, with services like lambda, dynamodb, some ec2) and python. small amount of nodejs.
my main skillset is ios development but I have been trying to lean more into backend dev for a while now since ios is a surprisingly niche field

>>107046413
Is mechanical engineering not facing the same issues as computer science and electric engineering?

>>107046439
>Not only do I use AI for my day to day work, I also use AI for my hobbies. It's a powerful tool like any other that you should definitely use when possible. Of course I try to understand the concepts and proofread it's output so I can handle situations where I don't have it available.

>>107046439
If you use LLMs as a google replacement like every intelligent person does now the answer is "yes"

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>>107046447
fuck off from NY we're full

I have all the Azure fundamentals certifications and nobody cares that I have them.

>>107046443
oh really? What company hires entry-level EEs?

>>107046475
you dont even win interviews due to them? thats grim ngl

>>107046439
I don't I use the internet. I use AI at home to compare amazon products. you're ngmi

>>107046448
I will draw from what I know instead of speculating.
I've met many people with B.S. in Electrical Engineering that came into Software Engineering because they could not find a job in EE. Whereas I've never bet a single B.S. in Mechanical Engineering that took a job in Software Engineering.

>>107046535
*met (not bet)
same for Civil, never met a one, not one.

>>107046443
>EE is the best engineering field
cope because of the CS meme being dead. CS is a dead field. some other fields have low hanging fruit. EE is solved in lots of ways that a chemistry major will be advancing in. not that I know any of this.
not that it isn't so unfairly gacha great replacement rigged competitive in any engineering let alone university if you are a man with a sack.

>>107046439
I just stick to honesty and say that I've tried it but never found it to be that useful or fast.

Now I just have to make a CPU

>>107046484
I have landed interviews but it was based on other things not these certificates which show that I'm willing to learn anything.

>>107046535
>Whereas I've never bet a single B.S. in Mechanical Engineering that took a job in Software Engineering.
I have seen those.

>>107046439
You shreik about how chuds are too smart for that trash you can't even make copilot write a simple script it's definitely the fault of gpt as a technology and not your undeserved arrogance

>>107046857
Did you ask them why?
I met an Aero once but said he just got tired of Aero after working that field for 7 years.

>>107046990
For them it was easy to get into enterprise configuration or manual testing.

>>107046443
>EE is the best engineering field you can enter right now
you and your sw"e" ilk are going to destroy this dying career field in a year or two. we are already full, you are not welcome in our club.

>>107047096
too late, bud. they've been here for ages.

As soon as the AI bubble destroys openai Amazon will come crawling back to us giving us 200k starting.

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>>107047534
no they won't lmao, they'll just pay the (one time) h1b fee and find some pajeet slaves from uttar pradesh mumbalak and pay them 80k instead

>>107047584
The absolute hacks, outages and lack of support will be devastating. They will scream for engineers.

>>107046472
yeah. full and overflowing. stay ya'll asses up there and keep the new jershits with you.

So since there are no real junior positions, companies are halting new grad hiring, and internships are extremely competitive, is the only way to get into the industry to cheat and make some fake company and fake your experience for 2-5 years?

>>107048005
no way to get in, get out while you still can.
Just not out of NY pic rel

>>107048028
I can't think of any other way to get out of my student debt after I graduate there are no jobs that pay enough.

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>>107046472
>>107048028
>>107047096

this full

>>107048005
Companies will beg you to come work for them. We just need more rate cuts and AI bubble popping. Aka we just need more time.
Maybe go back to school or get a government job. Put projects on GitHub, maybe start uploading vibecoded apps using Google ai studio or lovable or something into Google play store and apple store.

>>107048028
Jobs are easier to get in my country (frozen wasteland) compared to new york city (paradise on earth). But I've gotten nothing yet.

>>107048039
>after I graduate
switch. your. major. to. different. engineering. field.
>be you
>go to engineering career fair
>tell every engineering company that you want to switch engineering majors to [whatever that company needs]
>get internship
>switch major
>graduate
>have job

>>107048075
yes, new york city is so awesome the people that live there should never think of leaving it. every other state is just boring and racist.

>normally for networking stuff you need to input the ip address of where you want to connect to, localhost just means this computer in that context

>>107048090
I don't understand why there's unemployment in new york, when average salaries are 110k.

When a lot of people apply for tech jobs in new york why don't companies see this and then lower the wages to increase the jobs?
Like instead of paying 120k for one junior software developer out of Cornell, why don't they just create two jobs of 60k each or one at 40k and one at 80k so more people can get hired and get some experience?
People will say yes to 40k because they'd rather have something than NOTHING.

Why don't companies do this? I don't have an MBA yet so I don't get it. Maybe someone with business knowledge can tell me.

>>107048126
>I don't understand why there's unemployment in new york, when average salaries are 110k.
because new york is an expensive shithole and 110k there is 60k anywhere else

>>107048126
unfortunately new york is only friendly to indians. maybe it is because the subway is so safe there for indians only to ride.

>>107039914
I see a jeet

>>107048138
Anyone who already lives in nyc would say yes to 40k a year for some employment rather than none.

>>107048192
they have the best vegetarian food there too.

I have an system design interview tomorrow but don't know shit. What's the best crash course or video to learn as much as i can a few hours?

>>107047534
you're right

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>>107039823
I thought the training was included in the contract time but if not that doesn't really change much for me.

Much prefer Space Force/ Air Force/ Army cyber over Coast Guard. Seems like they'd have more interesting work and I want a "real military" background as dumb as that sounds.

>>107039980
Yeah I posted about this on reddit a ton, wonder how many people have come to the same idea. What are your impressions?

>>107042191
I'd prefer to only do a single contract as there's much more money in the private sector with a CS degree + TS clearance + military experience.

Can I ask what you did in the military? Cyber?

>>107048262
>system design
what does this mean

>>107045790
>i live up the street from lockheed therefore they will hire me INSTANTLY when i graduate high school i even used an arduino they HAVE TO hire me!!
lol

>>107048335
THISERY goon sire the US Space Force will take us to the moon thanks to Donald Trump. I just signed up today, they had a kiosk at the mall but the guy let me know about the secret Eleven Bravo corps where they fast track you to space shuttle door gunner.......

>>107046478
Ones in China, I imagine

>>107048192
Professionals have STANDARDS. If you aren't making at least 400k in NY, you shouldn't bother working at all because rudypoo guliani will just put you up in a welfare castle with free fentanyl and two meals a day.

>>107047096
the amount of cs grads that could pass EE <<<<<<< the amount of EE grads that could pass cs
I wouldn't worry if I were you

>>107048541
The future is Software Defined. Ever heard of a PLC? What do you think the P is for, retard? Keep crying boomer jeet, we don't need your tube-replacing skills anymore.

>>107048491
You've been schizoposting about the Space Force for months, how about giving a real opinion? A job is a job.

>>107048541
>chatgpt how many volts are in an amp
YOU STATUS: BTFO & FOREVERIALLY REPLACED

>>107048553
are you fucking retarded ? I've programmed more PLC's and function blocks in real systems (DCS's) than you can count you stupid turbonigger and you don't need CS for that.

>>107048566
sad cope.

>>107048558
you are not even a Veteran and do not know how anything works you do not even have a clearance. I'm going to Fort Benning in just 30 days and will be hacking you from Top Secret SCI space stations within a year. LMAOing at your life, jeet.

>>107048430
>A system design interview is a way to assess a candidate's ability to build real world systems that interact with various components. An example of a system design interview would be to design a URL shortener, and depending on a candidate's experience they may be asked to incrementally update their design to be scalable, highly available and secure.

Am I supposed to know how to do this as new grad?

>>107048598
Stop being retarded and brown.

>>107048587
Obviously I'm not a vet if I'm asking these kids of questions, not indian either.
Are you even gainfully employed schizobabbler?

>>107048606
Yes I am going to Fort Benning in just 30 days. Sorry you're too stupid to just get TS SCI Clearance so easily from the US Space Force like me.

>>107048606
poorfag cope

>well known company posts position
>it's ML, a role I think would be cool but I wanted to do backend but w/e
>company known for backstabby culture and explicitly stack ranks everyone when it comes to annual reviews + annual cuts
>I might actually have a good shot at getting an interview due to some prior experience
Hmm. I would need to survive at least two years for it not to be a black mark on my resume. decisions.

>he was alive in 1997
not even giveing you a (You) you geriatric fuck

>>107048611
Are you guys happy about government jobs?
I thought people hated those because nothing happens so you don't learn anything.

>>107048734
You literally just use them to get the clearance and Officer pension for life sorry you are stupid but maybe you can have fun in iraq while I work in the TS SCI space station as an 11B :)

>>107048742
If you don't mine 500 pounds of gold from that asteroid every day you won't get your water and air ration tonight

>>107048786
the military doesnt mine RETARD thats for jeet peasamnts with no clearance like (YOU)

>>107048807
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/ron-desantis-orders-to-pull-the-plug-on-h-1b-visas-at-florida-universities-a-bold-move-or-a-costly-gamble/articleshow/124928007.cms

Wish Texas would do this. I hope this is the policy for government jobs in general but I have a suspicion not.

>>107048830
>/timesofindia.indiatimes.com
go home JEET

>>107048845
i just clicked the first one that popped up nigger

>87% have a Master's Degree
>90% Entry-level applicants
Does this mean it's a bunch of jeets who got their master's here trying to get this job? What percentage of that 87% do you think are JEEETS
These stats linkedin shows for jobs is interesting. I rarely see < 50% with a master's applying for basic ass positions.

>>107048858
their master's is from durgasoft

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>job at a small company posted
>office is 5 minutes away from me
>remote except when meetings are required
>they do software in the oil & gas industry (which I have significant prior experience in)
BROS???? IS THIS THE ONE?

>>107048807
It’s true that there are lots of jobs only available to American citizens, lots available without clearance (healthcare), lots require a clearance which is like citizenship plus

>>107048858
In my country a masters is free and there are guaranteed admissions if it has the same name as your bachelor's so people go all the way and nobody hires anyone with a bachelor's.

>>107048892
>It’s true that there are lots of jobs only available to American citizens, lots available without clearance (healthcare
They're jobs but they're public sector or pseudo public where nothing happens and you don't learn anything. People go home at 3 pm or earlier. And old ladies gossip all day.

Are there ANY computer related jobs left that haven't become insanely competitive and saturated with a massive oversupply of workers? I'll take even something as shitty as helping boomers troubleshoot their computers at this point.

>>107048908
europoor ? Every europoor I ever met said the same thing. Dumb degree inflation. I think for most of them it only added one additional year to their curriculum but still, that's a year they could've been making money. But who am I kidding, their salaries are a joke

>>107048918
Clearance jobs yes which is why you must join US Space Force to gain Clearance

>>107048915
People come in at 7 AM and leave at 3, I’m thinking based, learn to rise with the sun

>>107048878
I'd imagine many of them went to college here for a master's since colleges love that they have to pay the full price and then they're hoping to god they can find a job who'll sponsor them or else they get jeeted to jeetistan.

>>107048949
I don't think I can join the military in my late 30s. I would probably be disqualified anyway because of how unhealthy I am.

>>107048958
They'll be fine even if deported. Their rich father will chew them out for wasting his money but they have a job back home "managing" their dads business. After all, he's the one who paid full price for their degree.

>>107048969
lmao fat jeet retard stay poor brownoid while i collect 600k/yr + clearance in US Space Force

>>107049002
I'm white and I weigh 150 lbs. What I meant by unhealthy is that I've spent my entire life sitting in a chair in front of a computer for 16+ hours a day so I have extremely bad posture, back pain, and basically zero strength. That's why computer related jobs are the only thing I can even physically do.

>>107049038
stay poor malnourished jeet you arent white either

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gah DOOD

>>107049086
No only am I 100% white, I can't stand being around minorities of any kind and I'm visibly disgusted just by the sight of them.

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>>107049099
>i am 100% white saar

>>107048889
The one for pajeet.

>>107048889
bum job for bum niggers join space force

>>107049099
You are literally poor like a brown Indian named Rajesh. That’s you broke ass faggot live with your mommy bum ass loser. 1old phone owning minimum wage job slaving loser. Lmao!

My phone is 5 years old and I'm ain't changing it for another 5 at least!

>>107048335
Idk actually after reading more closely idt ur the same as who I'm thinking. But damn when even IT HELP DESK is an arms race you know things fucking suck

>>107049369
IT is not Tech you retarded monkey

>>107049369
>IT HELP DESK
who cares

ya'ever notice how this site goes to shit once the sun rises over jeetistan?

>>107049403
refer to >>107049132

>>107049369
IT help desk doesnt even give me interviews with experience and degree... wtf these shit jobs pay like 40k/yr in HCOL

>>107049132
>>107049424
i guess this is a great time to mention that I've been dumping my balls into every poojeeta no matter how ugly while their stupid jeet husbands are at work. I know for certain that I've sired at least 17 babies because now the poojetas send their pojeeta friends to me to impregnate them too. My seed is growing up strong and the jeets are paying for them because they are too embarassed to admit it is not their kid. Join the Revolution to restore the Republic!!!!

>>107049548
Do the kids look white?

>>107049369
Space Force anon here. I'm actually getting IT help desk interviews and will likely secure one of those jobs in the next 3 weeks, they aren't that difficult to get and pay $50-55k in my area.

I'm pretty sure these jobs are dead end and hard to break out of though? Don't wanna get trapped.

>>107049574
>IT help desk
What do you put on your cv to get IT help desk jobs as a new grad?

>>107049581
Graduated 2024 so not sure I'm a new grad. I've been working as a substitute teacher for a local school district for 6+ months and just lied about the role and made it seem tech related. Instantly started getting interviews after doing that. Just lie.

Big lesson I learned is your bullet points should be only 1 line long and very simple and readable for nontech people while still namedropping relevant technologies.

>>107049562
It depends, almost, but most of them are like a light tan. A few came out with green eyes which is funny because one of stupid jeet dads was all proud and shit that he made that. says his kid going to be a movie star because she looks like in the bollywood movies or something.

>>107049624
Lmao. You should try asking where those green eyes come from.

>>107049606
Nice thanks. They seem to be oddly specific about the experience they want around here.

>>107049639
Oh I don't talk to the men. the poojeta told me that. she wants another one.

>>107049654
This is a larp right

>>107048075
>(frozen wasteland) compared to new york city (paradise on earth)
NYC is a worse shithole than a frozen wasteland. hundreds of other cities in the world that you can have several loving families in all at once and you choose LGBT judaism ground zero. I know you're all larping about being anywhere near NY anyway. You just say NYC is the greatest thing on earth because your NPC chip worships money and NY means money to you but you don't understand what NY is.
>>107045971
>anyone want a job at my startup? no wfh and you gotta be in NY
Hey shithead you got a job for a NY resident since the dawn of the country or are you going to continue pulling up the ladder because only ivy league aids anal rapists are allowed in your money laundering low caps speak club? Fuck you bitch
Don't fucking talk about NY on this board anymore or I will fuck your skull

>>107049772
>most polite new Yorker
Thank you
Also they don't even allow us to speak like that anymore
One nigger drop and every gasps you could hear a pin hit the floor, when in 2007 we were all screaming every obscenity in the book on voice chat, doesn't make any sense. Makes NY feel like 1984

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>>107048335
I worked with computer networks in the airforce. Other branches have different names for it but my career field was called cyber transport at the time. It's prefered that you take a IT job in the military that does the most work since you end up learning the most. If i went with Server Admin or Radio Frequency i would have ended up being in the most boring job possible for IT careers.

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>>107049860
I agree server admin seems boring as shit, basically glorified help desk. My dream job is 1D7X4P which is the programming shred or 1B4 (Cyber Warfare Operations). There's also a 1B4 equivalent for Space Force I'll put on my list that's called 5C.

Outside of career related stuff, would you say enlisting was a good opportunity for growth as a person? Was it essentially like an office job once you're past BMT?

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>>107050364
>good opportunity for growth as a person
From my experience is that if you join the military it elevates your personality in so that if you are a good hard working person you hone in that skill to be better at it. If you are a shit bag then you learn how to be a bigger shit bag. If you are a good manager then once you make the rank you become a better manager.

Experience wise you learn alot more outside of your career to include management skills so you end up becoming a much more capable worker than what you normally see in the civilian world. You can emulate this as a civilian by learning alot of subjects, books, free training or bootcamps, college ect. But most people just focus on the one job that they have and specialize. That variety of experience is why a prior soldier would get picked up over a civilian not to mention just showing up on time is a virtue that the military harps about with consequences.

Cyber Warfare Operations is hard pick up the book for CEH, Sec+, Cloud+, Server+ and Network+. Also A+/Tech+ if you are lacking skills. You really need Sec+ but they give you that in the military btw. Pre learn all of those books and you will be fine for that crazy hard career field.

Military is like an office job if you include PT for 1 hour before work and another hour and 30 mins after work. You are just more busy throughout the day compared to most civilian jobs with random shit and the occasional training opportunity every 3 months that the bosses give out to the smart kids. I probably spent 6 months worth of time doing extra training during my 4 years.

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>>107038976
>Over 65% IT workers are H-1B

Holy kek, now I don't feel so bad about being a recent grad without a job.