Made me bake editionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):chatgpt.com>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Music Editorial, etc.):https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/>Frequency Response Graph Toolsquig.link>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U) - $22• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35• Tanchjim Fola - $200• JIZZEAR Harrier - $300• Tanchjim Origin Lost Manor - $500>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>107170977 (Cross-thread)
>uranium driversIs beryllium not toxic enough?
>>107201380I get tinnitus just from looking at it
>>107201191>Tanchjim Fola - $200>JIZZEAR Harrier - $300>Tanchjim Origin Lost Manor - $500Interesting recommendations. What can you say about the Jizzear? Graph looks cool, but maybe it lacks mid bass.
I wanna say thanks to the author of the EQ guide. It's good stuff. Also thanks to everybody else who continuously contribute in this general. We're all gonna make it brehs.
>>107201425op was vandalized and then revandalized in this one harrier hasn't been released, looks fine although a bit generic
I'm locking in my choice.Tangzu x Azla Noirblanc, here I come.
I just dreamed I met crinacle
What do I need to create FR graphs cheaply and easily? I want to do one for a pair of headphones, but would be cool if it'd work with my IEMs too. Don't have to be super exact. But if it can measure channel imbalances it'd be great!
>>107201751For measuring imbalance - literally any mic. For proper FRs - measuring IEMs is much cheaper than measuring headphones. Even with aliexpress parts expect to spend at least $300.
daybreak or variations?
>>107201891P50 with a custom faceplate.
>>107201865Ok I'll try measuring imbalance with my Shure MV7 mic. Would this thing in pic be all I need to measure IEMs? These 711 coupler ads are confusing.https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJRriFa
>>107201905For IEMs yes. For headphones you also need two of these.
>>107201891daybreakwhy even buy variations in 2025 with their dipped mids...
So uhhh, should I buy this new planar crinslop? The only other planar I have is the og s12 and I kinda enjoy it.
>>107201971uuhhh maybe you should question why you're even considering different driver types
>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/
>>107201997>>107202077Retarded baker can't bake baka
>>107202096oh now you show up faggot, do your job next time
Planar/estat bros got memed>the author measured the diaphragm’s motion using a laser system and found that break-up actually begins at around 375 Hz — well below the frequency where conventional cone speakers typically start to break up.https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/do-electrostatic-speakers-headphones-really-have-no-break-up-modes.67184/
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Why doesn't /g/ have a headphone general anymore? Are headphones obsoleted by iems?
>>107202266people just dont bother to bake, headphone options are figured out and standard, new iems come out every day. you can just make the thread
>>107202266there's no real advancements being made in headphones, it's just classic vintage pairs that you can easily do research on. it's been solved and regressed with mostly hifiman and fiio making new stuff worth mentioning. not much to actually talk about. yeah you can EQ headphones in new-ish ways, IEMs strictly require EQ so there's no real need for a separate general yet, but china is picking up the slack though. imo headphones are a DIY hobby. nectar audio sells a stax sr-007 clone for $1000 less and it's not particularly hard to build an electrostatic driver. I can keep rambling but you get the idea. we have goyslop generals to bing bing wahoo about goyslop, DIYers are lone wolves
I dunno.I bought $300 senheisers 9 years ago and they've served me well at the computer.
>>107202513Same, bought HD650 almost 10 years ago and they still sound better than pretty much anything else I've tried. Only had to swap the pads.
Headphones and iems have been figured out for a decade and before the invention of the iPhone telephones had to compete by becoming clearer and clearer.So why now do phone calls sound like nigger ass? It's 2026.
>>107202527I have the 598c.Redpill me on open back headphones.I got closed because I don't need Lexi Belle moaning to fill the whole house.
>>107202556What do you want to know? Probably asking the wrong guy because I live by myself and don't listen very loudly so I can't comment on the sound bothering other people. I agree that audio is pretty much solved so if something suits you well you don't have to bother getting something new, chances are there won't be a significant difference. I'm only here because overall I find iems more comfortable and prettier.
>>107202351Which hifiman should I buy if I literally never tried open back headphones and mostly listen to IEMs?
>>107202266People realized headphones make you bald.
>>107202351>nectar audioImagine paying for something that can't play musichttps://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/nectar-hive-review-electrostatic-headphones.35108/
>>107202142Just put the fries in the bag bro.
>>107202230start listing what you're posting.some good music would be nice
>>107203494We only listen to real musichttps://youtu.be/YAcu52NYYnA
>>107201971New crinslop will be nothing like s12.
Pls help.I got qcy melobuds pro as replacement for sony wf1kxm3 that died on me as some anon recommended here.They're good, sound is good, anc is good but fitment is killing me, they just don't want to stay in ear and lose seal all the time. Tried couple of tips I had around from various other buds nothing fits. Ordered some from aliexpress like those styled after ear protection plugs, those ain't working either.Are there any other tips I should try or are there any other buds that are known for good and stable seal?
Crin is a disingenuous cunt and I hate his fat ass, he so proudly announces his amazing new planar IEMs with new and self-made planar driver which according to him nobody done before, except KZ did it like two years ago, and also not a single word about EQ in his entire shill video, I sincerely hope that nobody here is retarded enough to buy his e-waste for 150 fucking bucks
>>107204212I had a somewhat similar issue with that type of tip, so I sort of gave up on them. The ones that worked better for me when it comes to stability/isolation was the Dunu SnS
>>107204499Stop crying, Tyvan, nobody cares about KZ.>>107204650Audiopedophiles hate this blog.
>>107202632i am already going bald anyway and i don't even use headphones
>>107202282At this point hpg should be merged back with iemg, with general hifi added as a bonus
What's the point of those fancy stacks of rectangles with knobs headphucks are posting everywhere? Do headphones really need 1000$ worth of amps and who the fuck knows what else to compete with IEMs plugged into applel dongle?
>>107204929>buy shit headphones(there are no good headphones)>they sound like shit>but the reviews said they're good, so it must be something else>buy something else>headphones still sound like shit>but the reviews said they're good...
Just received the KZ Kunten. Sounds great so far (only 10 minutes in). But potentially the best and most balanced KZ I've heard. Possibly a bit irritating in the treble (like all KZs), may have to use EQ.
>>107201191>there's no real advancements being made in headphonesWhy tho? You see all these kinds of diaphragms used in iems, beryllium, diamond-like-whatever, purple gold (lol), even fucking glass. Does that not scale up well to large drivers?
>>107201191>>107199439Welp, what'd be the best 2 metres cable for the Pure?
Dang, liquid silicone tips are so fuckin' comfy
>>107201380>planar>lack in bassskill issue, try harder Tyvan
>>107201971different sound signature, more neutral, in a way Divine is what Timeless wanted to be, if that's what you want then go for it or get Diablo with its basshead tuning that's quite unique for planar posyou can also mod your S12 into S12 Pro quite easily with 5x5 mid density foam from aliexpress, just put it inside nozzles, there are also S12 mods from Shortbus Audio including Glamdring which is similarly easy to perform (two 5x5 low density foams per side instead of one mid) and turns S12 into low-gain pos
>>107204929>implying iemtards aren't guilty of it
>>107201380>planar>lacking basskz lies as it breathes
>>107205138Good question, I've ordered Pure too, didn't get it yet - how do you like yours?As for the cable, I've looked for a bit just now and honestly you might be much better off getting some jack to jack extension cord instead and use it with a regular cable...
>>107205159Is Tyvan always this active here around 11.11? Wasn't payin attention.
I'll be honest, I love my steak medium-rare and never turn down bacon.
>>107205332>how do you like yoursHaven't ordered it yet as the longer cable is a must for me.
>>107205438>graphfags manufacture their own marketinghmmm
>>107202682What the hell? Does this company repurpose JVC HA-RX700s to make their estats? The builds are so similar it can't just be coincidental.
>>107205587that's the standard chinkshit assembly. you can buy them from aliexpress and stick drivers and earcups on. realy fkn easy to make headphones
>>107202351It's over for headpos and speakerpos.
>>107205695and that's a good thing. it'll never be over for IEMs until more of this thread posts about their sudden onset hearing loss
>>107205490Seller here wrote in description to contact him about custom cable length, so maybe you can get even longer, and it doesn't seem TOO pricey: aliexpress.com/item/1005001742835833.htmlOther than that, KBEAR has some 2m cables like ST12, ST16, ST24, but it's hard to tell from photos alone if their connectors with a protrusion can go deep enough into the socket to make a solid, reliable contact.I'm not looking into cable that are 50+% of iem's price, because no sane person would do that.So yeah, seems it's not an easy thing to find for this specific flavor of 2-pin connector, at least not within a sane budget.
>>10720573190% of posts here are already stealth admissions of hearing loss.
>>107205756The other 10% is doctor's hearing tests proving it.
>>107205756Only 90%? Isn't admitting to using iems alone already equivalent to admitting to hearing loss?
>>107205785only fox iem is hearing loss
The graphpos is immunized against all dangers: One may call him schizo, buyfag, tranny, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But wait for an anon to announce his hearing problems and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I'm deaf."
>>107205695Why there's so many of those goddamn things? What's the difference between them? Who the fuck needs all that? I'm genuinely at loss.
>>107205695>can only enjoy my pos in this little area with no chair or anywhere to kick my legs up.noty
>>107205875They keep buying more in hopium it'll make the headpoos sound better, but it never does.
Are these worth $40? I know nothing about earbuds so I just want something decent for cheap.
>>107206001get moondrop space travel 2 instead
What did they mean by this?
>>107205875sometimes im feeling shitheiser, sometimes ESP-950, I could wake up one day feeling like I want the soundstage of HE-R9, or the bass of T50RP, the smoothness of SR-Lambda NB, the crispness of SR-Lambda Signature, the depth of SR-007Mk1, the raw nigger subbass of HD 280 Pro or HE6, etc. depends on my mood and my feelios ya dig
Checking the Tanchjim Bunny, is there a significant difference in audio quality between the 3.5 jack and the usb-c versions?
>>1072060983.5 jack is for people who know how to EQ
>>107205107Exotic and expensive materials directly translating to better sound quality is a marketing lie, whether it's IEMs, headphones, speakers, cables, or whatever the fuck. That said, there have been actual improvements in headphones, like DCA with their metamaterial tuning system or the new Heddphone D1 with its driver made of thin-ply carbon. The only reason to say that there's "no progress" is that Sennheiser already made pretty good headphones 30 years ago, so there isn't that much left to improve.
>>107204687>Dunu SnSThanks my man will check them out.
>>107206012I was going to get the Beats because I was getting something from Walmart anyways.
>>107206271No problem, hope they work for you. Just no promises about sound quality though, I'm a deafzo and everything sounds the same.
and a ching chong nipnong to you young lady
any techs/soundstage/imaging beasts nabbed on 11/11 by anybody?
>>107206901I bought sgor luna on 11/10 if that counts. I'm down to $4 in coins so I gotta wait a week before I get to buy another $5 shitbud>>107205079not to be an ass but your description matches every single IEM
usecase for techs?
>>107204929/iemg/ browns are simply too poor to collect gear, so they collect aliexpress e-waste instead
if your iem is 2 months past the initial preorder date it's shit and old unc
>>107207062being able to tell the difference between a competent transducer and a good mix is an accolade of a sane person that understands value rather than someone that reduces their lack of understanding down to whatever matches their emotional attachment, ie. dogma.
>>107207188Chatgpt lost.
>>107206937>not to be an ass but your description matches every single IEMI don't agree. I have several that don't fit that description.
>>107207235ah, conceding already? keep parroting shit you never came up with though
>tfw i want fola NOW but i know tanch goes down in priceNeed to wait for christmas I guess. Also why did the new OP maker keep the meme shit in the budget list?
>>107207487>keep parroting shit you never came up with thoughPot, kettle.
>>107207094redditbrowns don't have the reading comprehension to figure out aliexpress and get free $5 shitbuds
>>107207588couldnt be assed the rec list only exists to troll retarded noobs, thats how its always been
Any usb dongles with analog volume control that supports microphones (CTIA TRRS)?Right now I am using the KZ Kunten (has a mic on the cable) and connect it to the Tempotec BHD Pro DAC, which then connects to my PC via USB. But the mic is not recognized in Windows, because the DAC does not support microphones.I don't want to use an Apple Dongle though because it has no volume control.
>>107207588Because he's a retard that can't EQ.
>shitzo posts mass-nukedYou love to see it.
>>107205754>>107205138I think the OPENHEART 2 pin A cable may be the better option.At least it looks like me they have the small piece of plastic needed.
>>107208280>it looks like me*to me it looks like*
>>107208180brb reading the archive to get the superior posts
>>107208280yes their cables are solid and will work
>>107208315all 10/10 solid posts
>>107208280Sure but do they sell a 2+ meter one? All I see is for IEMs specifically are 1.2m ones.
>>107208691Why didn't you buy the Zonie?
>>107208700I don't see one longer than 1.2-1.3m... ?
>>107208748I linked the 2m one for you the other day. It's on Amazon.
>>107208748It actually exists, it's just that aliexpress search function is atrocioushttp://aliexpress.com/item/1005007944495880.html
Blessing 3 (used) just arrived, right one was clogged with wax, quick impressions now that I have cleaned it up: It is quite bright and a bit harsh, but in a way I sort of feel like that comes hand in hand with how detailed it is, which is something I like, but I don't think most people would. So far it seems to respond nicely to EQ. So I would only recommend to people who both crave details and aren't afraid of EQing at the same time.
>>107208887How did you clean the wax? I have an old pair of IEMs full of it. Did you remove the mesh filters completely?
>>107208934>How did you clean the wax?You're supposed to lick it out of the nozzle, obviously
>>107208934Depends on the type of nozzle. For the B3 I zoomed in with my cellphone camera and used a thin needle to scrape it out, reminder that you must tilt it downwards so the wax doesn't fall inside. Another option is to give is an isopropyl alcohol bath.
>>107208973>Another option is to give is an isopropyl alcohol bath.But isopropanol does fuck all to ear wax
>>107208995It's more so you can flood it out without damaging the inner components like water would.
>>107209045I don't think that's necessarily safe for the iem, there's lots of adhesives holding the thing together (including the driver) that could potentially be affected.
>>107201191What causes over ear headphone cups to flake? The cups on my M50s lasted a decade then one trip they just disintegrated. I don't use them much but they are really nice to travel with since they fold flat. I picked up some new oem cups to replace them with. I do wear glasses and am wondering if they arms just wore the cups out.
>>107209090Nah, it's just how the material - the fake whatever leather-like thing - is, you can't do anything to prevent that.
>>107202266Headphone users are occupied listen to music. Iem users just like flame wars about the newest FOM
>>107209108Thanks anon. I thought about ordering a spare set to keep around. However I was wondering if age is part of what causes them to fail.
>>107209137Well, on second thought it's really just plastic, so maybe stuff for conditioning plastics would work. Like something to used for plastics in a car interior.
I wanna thank the anon from the previous thread, you convinced me not to get the Fola and to get the Nora instead and I already like them.
>>107209912wrong, you were supposed to get Dora or Zora instead
You are a space explorer. StarDust. Journey back to how life beganA Meteor..
>>107210172HELLL NAW
>>107210172>A Meteor..About to be Moon... DROPPED!
>>107206014it's called kowtow, the ritual prostration towards Emperor of China or any person that's even slightly higher in social hierarchy than you, it means that you offer your body, soul and whole being to him and you're ready to become his toy, which he has every right to use or abuse against you because he's your superiorXiaomi doesn't abandon the legacy of its country of origin
>>107210172Wow, that's even less subtle than Tyvan
>>107207062filtering out scientistic dogmatic Olive worshipping retards from real music enjoyers
I've lost hope in KZ. I think they're extremely overrated in the budget category.
>>107210521cute. I almost got a chuckle outta that
>>107210172>he didn't get the ultra base version
Some anon said Kunten uses KZ Zenith driver, any confirmation yet?
>>107210653What does it matter anyway if they can change what's inside at any time? And who knows, with them it's even possible that already some units do, and some don't.
I've realized that FR isn't everything. On some IEMs the treble is high but everything still sounds kind of smooth, never sharp. But on others it may even have less treble, but it sounds uncomfortable.
>>107201191I just found out that Spotify offers Lossless audio, is there any reason to waste data streaming in Lossless if I have tinnitus?
kz decet for $15 onegai
>>107211389Nope. Lossless sounds the same as 320kbps mp3s.
>>107211286>On some IEMs the treble is high but everything still sounds kind of smooth, never sharp. that's literally still FR>But on others it may even have less treble, but it sounds uncomfortable.because it has peaks in uncomfortable placesalso still FR
>>107211389there's no reason to do it even fi you don't have tinnitus
>>107211647FR≠everything. sean olive lost
>>107207062Sometimes techs is an ultra linear 20$ shitbud that trumps 300$ treblerape
>>107212023treble rape is a skill issue that keeps you from enjoying more shitbuds though
likewise small penis is skill issue that prevents you from enjoying more sluts
FR is everything only to jeets who cannot comprehend the time domain
>>107211678Chatgpt lost.>>107212209FR=IR.
>>107211286>On some IEMs the treble is high but everything still sounds kind of smooth, never sharpSalnotes Zero? The Q1 pro only has a higher peak at 8 kHz but it makes a big difference for me. The Zero is about as "neutral" as you can get for a cheap IEM, and the Q1 Pro is a shouty mess.
>>107212287>The Q1 pro only has a higher peak at 8 kHzHow do you know? I thought 8k peaks on graphs weren't real.
why do they keep shoving in hundreds of drivers in these things? headphones was solved by a single dynamic driver with the porta pros
>>107212306headpos is too primitive for 5DD
>>107211286Because people vastly overestimate what is "treble". Something with 10kHz low pass but boosted 5kHz will still be unlistenable ear rape.
A jeet who cannot comprehend the time domain: >>107212251
>>107212325Read a book.
>>107212314are they just lazy and cant tune properly so they shove all these drivers and dip switches
>>107212325t. the jeet that thinks EQing DSD doesn't convert it to PCM, DAC master clock is time domain and 1V remembers which amp it came from.The brownest motherfucker in the thread and we literally have shartur.
>>107212325I don't think you've ever been able to demonstrate your comprehension of time domain
>>107212306How are headphones solved when you need $500 to reach parity with $5 IEMs in non-IEM metrics, and it took an IEM company to bring it down to $500.
>>107212306because it's cheaper to shove a bunch of cheapo aftermarket drivers in instead of actually developing a driver that can be tuned to a complex target (harman, jm-1) in an analog way
>>107212443*non-FR metrics
>>107209085You're probably right, I only did it a couple times when scrapping didn't work out with cleaning but so far I've been lucky.
>>107212318How does "wet" and "dry" sounding treble differ on FR?
>>107212494 noone talks like that.
>>107212496Audiophiles do
>>107212501I don't give a fuck what they call themselves, nobody says wet or dry treble.
>>107212494what about "delicious" and "delectable" treble?
>>107212494"Wet” treble usually shows as smooth, broadly elevated upper‑treble energy with few narrow spikes, while “dry” treble tends to have less upper‑treble “air” and more narrow, high‑Q peaks in the presence region. But the full wet/dry impression also depends on decay (time‑domain) behavior, which FR alone can’t fully show.What you’ll typically see on a frequency response plotWet treble: > Broad, gentle shelf or maintained energy in the upper treble (roughly the “air” band above about 8–10 kHz). > Smooth curve through the presence/low‑treble region (around 3–6 kHz) without sharp, narrow peaks or deep adjacent dips. > Overall “even” looking treble: fewer high‑Q wiggles; no steep roll‑off above 10 kHz.Dry treble: > Noticeable roll‑off in the upper treble (above ~10 kHz), so there’s less “air” even if the presence region is energetic. > One or more narrow peaks in the 5–8 kHz region, often with neighboring dips, giving an etched/crisp character without shimmer. > Treble line looks more “peaky” or ragged rather than broadly elevated.Why FR isn’t the whole story:> Perceived wetness also correlates with decay. On waterfall/burst‑decay plots: > Wet: longer treble decay tails and broader, lower‑Q ridges in the 5–12 kHz zone. > Dry: fast decay, minimal lingering ridges, especially above ~6 kHz.Distortion and resonances can add “splash” (sometimes heard as wetness) even if the FR looks similar.If two IEMs match through the presence region but one keeps smooth energy above 10 kHz while the other rolls off, the first will usually sound “wetter.” So to make treble “wetter”: gently lift the upper treble with a broad high‑shelf and tame any narrow peaks around 5–8 kHz.To make it “drier”: reduce upper‑treble energy; note that shortening decay is more about damping/materials than EQ.
>>107212301it's 2025 and retards still do not understand how length modes work... it's not rocket science...
>>107212545oh jesus fuckfuck of with this LLM shit
>>107212561ChatGPT understands the time domain.
>>107212568it doesn't understand anything at all.
we like tws and we tired of pretending we dont
why was using equalizers bad before covid but now everyone recommends and uses eq?
>>107212545What's the difference between digital EQ and using dampening materials? Wouldn't they achieve the exact same thing?
>>107212545>>107212568You are brown.
>>107212545>On waterfall/burst‑decay plots:Meanwhile in reality.
>>107212614When people talk about the time domain in audio, they mean how a system behaves as sound unfolds: how quickly a note starts, whether it overshoots, how long it rings, and how the energy dies away after the signal stops. Mathematically, all of that lives in the impulse response, usually written as h(t). If you play a signal x(t) into a headphone or IEM, what comes out is the convolution y(t)=(x∗h)(t). The familiar frequency response is just a different view of the same thing: it is the magnitude of the Fourier transform of h(t). That magnitude tells you how much of each frequency passes through, but it does not tell you when that energy arrives or how long it lingers. Two systems can have the same broad frequency response but feel different because one rings longer or has delayed reflections, and that difference is a time domain issue.Equalization and damping act on this system in fundamentally different ways. EQ is a filter you apply to the input before the sound hits the device. Damping is a physical change to the device that increases loss and turns stored acoustic or mechanical energy into heat. Put another way, EQ controls how much you excite a problem; damping controls how quickly the problem dies once it is excited... (Continues)
>>107212637Chatgpt lost.
>>107212637A simple resonator makes this crystal clear. Consider a standard second order system with transfer function H(s)=(omega02)/(s2+2zetaomega0s+omega02). The number called zeta is the damping ratio. After a short pulse, the ringdown falls roughly like an exponential with a rate set by zeta and omega0. If you add felt behind a driver, foam in a cup, or a mesh in an IEM nozzle, you raise zeta, lower the quality factor, and the ringing decays faster. You have changed the device itself so that, no matter what tomorrow’s signal looks like, energy does not hang around as long.EQ cannot do that, because it does not add loss inside the device. It can only shape the signal that goes in. If a cup has a mode at 500 Hz, cutting that region with EQ means you do not pump much energy into that mode, so you hear less ringing when that frequency appears. But if the music contains a transient with energy near 500 Hz, whatever does get into the mode will still drain away at the rate set by the device’s physical damping. EQ never reaches into the structure to pull energy out once it is stored.
Jeets don't know how to EQ time domain.
>impulse response >look inside>FR
>>107212642That pic does not refute anything I wrote. It shows a single impulse response that looks neat at one microphone position, almost certainly after someone applied an inverse filter. That is fully consistent with my point: EQ can reshape what a mic sees at one spot, especially for minimum‑phase features, but it does not add physical damping, it does not remove delayed energy paths inside the device, and it is fragile to position and fit.Think about what the picture actually proves. To draw that impulse, the person had to measure the device, design a filter that compensates the measured magnitude and phase around the mic, and then re‑measure through that filter. The plot is the result of the device and the filter in series. If the filter closely inverts the device over the measured band, the combined response looks like a short spike with reduced ringing. That is exactly what we expect when you pre‑distort the input so that the output at one point is cleaner. The physical transducer has not changed. Its diaphragm, cavities, and structural resonances are all the same as before.
>>107212611it was never bad
>>107212614>What's the difference between digital EQ and using dampening materialsnone>Wouldn't they achieve the exact same thingyeschatGPT has no idea what the fuck it's talking about
>>107212685FR = IR at every insertion depth. It even works at the scale of a room. Chatgpt lost.
>>107212637>how quickly a note starts, whether it overshoots, how long it rings, and how the energy dies away after the signal stopslarping chatbot delusionsIEM drivers follow the signal perfectly>Two systems can have the same broad frequency response but feel different because one rings longer or has delayed reflections, and that difference is a time domain issue.only relevant for speakersand in the end all of this is still differences in frequency responsechatGPT doesn't even know simple things like this
>>107212685pure fucking nonsense lmao
>>107212685>>107212647>>107212637>>107212545This is what happens when you get trained on headfi instead of books. Read a book.
AI(An Indian) can't comprehend that FR contains phase.
Stop shitting up the thread aijeet, all your nonsense was pre-debunked 100+ years ago.
FR is not everything.
>>107212773Where is the decay you brown retard >>107212635
>>107212773what can POSSIBLY be there other than thd and fr???
>>107212779if you think that is how it works, you're lost.>>107212786quality of drivers and implementation.
>>107212786There are IEMs that have more than this but chatgpt doesn't know about them. Like vibration and bone conduction drivers.>>107212813Chatgpt lost, aijeet.
>quality of drivers and implementation.>look inside>FR
>>107212813>quality of drivers and implementation.how is it not still FR and THD?
>>107212813You can't say it's not how it works because it is in fact exactly how it works.
>>107212813>if you think that is how it works, you're lost.you literally have no idea how anything works to such extent you needed chatGPT to assist you
Oh no, I think customs office might be holding my Pure hostage>>107212333Yes, that's why I dislike any pos that come with factory gimmicks like switches (mostly a KZ thing) or a set of different swappable nozzles (other brand have sinned here, too). It's a sign the tuning is shit or none at all and they leave it up to you to waste your time with different combinations, trying to get an acceptable result just to eventually give up on that poss and buy the next hot gimmick.
>>107208864>>107208865>>107208876Thanks anons, must've missed it
>>107212685>it is fragile to position and fit.So, just like literally every IEM. Even when it "graphs smooth". Move it a little and peaks appear. Crazy how that works. Almost like damping only affects the overall level, not the shape.
>>107212614none iff it's a minimum phase system (IEMs and headphones basically always are)
Bros, I'm back
>>107213186Why did you buy that pos...
>tfw now have to compensate for hearing loss in the eqsuch is life, really do lower the volume of anything you're listening to please
>>107213186Oh, the cable peddler is here
>>107213186Do you go outside like that?
i... i made a speaker crosstalk cancellation pluginit tries to turn speakers into headphonesis it relevant
>>107215023yes, if you want to listen to binaural audio through speakers
>>107215037https://files.catbox.moe/kwbw1n.zip>>107214876 the plugin is inspired by uBACCH
>>107213202It sounds good>>107214211Don't think I'd ever shilled cables here, but if you ever have the opportunity to demo cables during Canjam, do give them a try>>107214961I'm constantly swapping out sources from my chain, but for the most part - yes
>>107215054 (me)forgot pic
just got atom amp plus, now my setup is:my dac: focusrite solo gen 3my amp: JDS labs atom amp +my receiver: hd600&sundaramy dap: LG v50 on a custom rommy pos: ie900 clonemy measurement rig: diy EM258 binaural inear mic, 711 clone fitted with EM258 micwasnt planning to get an amp but bought it because i felt for headroom because of headroom for brir convolutionhow would you rate my setup
>>107215059just a high end dac like hidisz s9 pro is cleaner than that shit, youve been mindraped by placebo
>>107215084mogged by my random fiio dac from 2009 and whichever $5 shitbud I pull from my drawer that day
>>107215099unironically i admit
>>107215059well, at least you are hiding it within a bag
>>107215118hey man as long as it makes you happy
>>107212608these are all landfill nigger
>>107215259yes, you should test my plugin
>>107215263I sent a pic with a cat hair on it... fail
>>107215279thought you removed it with ai but lol you took the photo againnice sperkers
>>107215325thanks anon!! anyway what did you mean by plugin?
>>1072150840/10 no fox.
>>107215352i mean>>107214876this one. i made a vst2 plugin(for APO usage) that does crosstalk cancellation for speakers
>>107212608Who's "we".
>>107215362I'll try it, lets see how it works on top of my eq preset
>>107215054>but if you ever have the opportunity to demo cables during Canjam, do give them a tryYou said you can't wear them for more than 30 minutes and I believe you, I'll stick to cables made for people that are actually listening to music.
>>107215383>>107215362Not sure I need this since im running an eq based off a spinorama of my speakers, but you know what? This doesnt sound bad at all? I need to test it further, i'll definitely keep it.
>>107215500I also noticed that if I toggle any of my filters with VST enabled it will do a harsh clicking sound for a split second, kind of a deal breaker, but you're on to something anon, it sounds good.
>>107215500>>107215526oh, thanks for the feedback, i will try to tame the behaviour
are the moondrop chu 2s still good or has the quality gone down since demand skyrocketed?
>>107215529Its not your fault, its just how apo works, the clicky sound I mean, I sometimes toggle filters depending on the track and apo will do a click with the VST preset on
>>107215539>quality gone downit was always bad
I like this plugin, it definitely opens up the voices in some tracks, gives it a bit of a center stage?
>>107215628it is supposed to change speakers into psuedo-headphones
>>107215639makes sense, kinda good for some intimate tracks
>>107215628>clippingdude add some negative preamp
>>107215683thats just apo, the ilouds have an independent gain control in the back, its not like it would do anything since they will clip when they reach a certain volume anyway
>>107215713Bruh
>>107215730adding negative gain would mean I have to raise volume on the back, and its already at the minimum, the eq preset just gets fed to a dac and to active speakers, the clipping is independent from whatever i do in apo
>nigga blames speakers for misconfigure APO>nigga thinks APO's EQ happens on the DACI am speechless.
>>107215799I didnt blame anything on anything dude, thats just how active speakers work dude, as long as I dont hit 80db internally in the speakers theres no clipping, reducing apo's gain by 2db isnt gonna do anything
>>107215827Digital clipping will happen even if your speakers are turned off.
>>107215087He's using BA pos, you think he's in it for the sound quality.
>>107215833Im well below that threshold anon but whatever
>>107215069>>107215279why don't you use appropriate cables for this pos?
>>107215881Should be even lower, Windows has clipping by itself https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ending-the-windows-audio-quality-debate.19438/
>>107215927Because he's the smartest nggar viewer.
>>107215927its very comfortable with no earhook cables
system volume should always be at 100%negative pregain should be set according to your (shitty) filter adjustments and also for any songs you have that themselves clip because of shit audio mix, whatever. I'll keep saying it, most people here can't tell the difference anyway so admit you're a great consumer before anything else.
>>107215979my normal filters are more normal that was just his vst plugin lol
>>107215979Do you (really) know how windows audio works? What part of this is being hijacked by an external dac? Do we have ourselves a dunning kruger moment?
>>107215043Just makes everything sound closer to the center.
>>107216042seems like a wrong HRTF values? adjust top 3 values andtry drive the lambda_mid 1 and 2 down, up the low and high, pull the lambda offset way down, up the slope and it should work in theoryi think the top 3 values are slightly off as they are phase critical and it should be the absolute last plugin AFTER any kind of convolution or eq
>>107216059>wrong HRTF values?holy fuck thread's dead lol.
Most of the stuff that makes windows audio bad is not applicable when using and external dac, since it pipes the signal way before windows APOs (audio processing objects) come into play, but go on about consumerism queen
>>107216068im kinda newfag in this general so.. is there any schizo around that subject
>>107216074
>>107216089Concessions accepted
>>107216108Bait it is then.
>>107216114Then explain how im wrongPro tip: you wont
default for me is just a couple negative decibels. that's really all I personally need.
>>107216129If APO works for you then it obviously doesn't pipe audio into the DAC "before windows APOs" you mongoloid.
>>107216130Keep Peace open, click the prevent clipping checkbox and play music, it will lower it to what you actually need, not what you think you need.
>>107216137As I said >>107216011 you dont understand how windows audio works, theres a reason why you need to install apoeq per device.
>>107216108yeah no...check your db levels and shut up
>>107216158Troons read the ASR guide on windows audio and think they know it all
>>107216150On every OS with every DAC all processing happens before the DAC.
>>107216149I know what I need and I don't need it to do it automatically for me. I set it and I forget it.
>>107216170Heres some nice reading material for you: Audio Processing Objects, its what windows runs on as opposed to linux, you can bypass them with a dac the same way you do it with WASAPI exclusive. The fact that you can install apoeq to run on a dac is just allowing more functions to run back on windows software.
>>107216059Still simply sounds less wide. Doesn't make binaural audio work better either.The plugin is below all speaker eq, other effects are for other devices. I don't consider headphone sound desirable so I'd keep it off even if it worked perfectly anyway.
>>107216228you sure you pressed apply?
>fixes the lack of bass tactility from pos >no one talks about itwhy? https://www.woojer.com/products/vest-4
>>107216234Yes. The changes are audible.
>>107216223APOs run on Windows, not on a DAC.
>>107216243hmm weird.. i should check the longer distance stability. really thanks for testing it btw
>>107216252It's a very short distance though. I assumed "listener-speaker distance" is in meters, is it not?
>>107216257it is in meters, seems like analytic model's ipsi/contra path problem
>>107216011you conceded by getting emotional over windows. touch grass
>>107216217You don't know what you need if you write shit like this simple as.
>>107216250Damn, its almost as if a dac... bypassed the APOs? Why do you think I gave the example of Wasapi exclusive? >>107216074 Anyway... why do I bother
>>107216271>Damn, its almost as if a dac... bypassed the APOs?No. If EQ APO works for you then APOs are not bypassed. They don't work with WASAPI exclusive. Did it ever occur to you how you can run any giant convolutions with APO but even something as powerful as minidsp flex only supports 4096 samples? There's nothing in the DAC that can physically run those effects.
>>107216267lmfao you wish. you don't know how to be a person if you don't know your gender, simple as.
>>107215054based, I'd like to demo cables before I buy them
>>107216298You can still bypass the entire windows audio chain
>>107216316Yes. And EQ APO won't work then.
>>107216305
>>107216321And thats why you need to install apoeq per device >>107216011 as I said, just because you enable apoeq on a dac doesnt mean its the same shitty windows setup you're running, its not allowing every single windows audio processing object to run
>>107216340When you install EQ APO "per device" and run audio through WASAPI then EQ APO doesn't work. Literally takes 5 seconds to test.
>>107216347Youre just too stupid to understand what im saying lol if you dont install apoeq on a dac it bypasses everything windows related, if not, a dac would be subject to whatever sampling rates you've set up, and smart dacs will automatically use the needed sample rate on the fly, based on the song, thats why it has no effect on a dac what sample rate you've set up by windows, installing apoeq just allows some of these objects >>107216011 to be processed before the signal stream
>>107216373DACs literally are subject to whatever sampling rates you've set up. The music player must be using exclusive mode and switching sampling rates. And exclusive mode means EQ APO doesn't work.
>>107216305I don't wish anything. I gave you an advice on how to make life less difficult for yourself, take it or leave it.
>>107216373And what happens when you don't install EQ APO on a device is you run standard Windows APOs, EQ APO installer disables them. No bypassing is happening at any point.
>>107216392Ok, explain how any dac with a screen or indicator changes from 16 to 24 bits or 41 to 48khz by itself even if you have it limited in windows then
>>107216444And CAudioLimiter is not an APO. So you still need negative preamp to work around it.
>>107216412you offered nothing of value. nothing of meaning. you truly believe you did, but you didn't.what part of, "I know what I'm doing/this works for me" do you not understand?
>>107216457If it changes then you're using exclusive mode and APO doesn't work. In non-exlusive mode everything passes to the audio mixer, gets resampled and then gets sent to the DAC. Programs playing audio with different sample rates wouldn't be able to play simultaneously otherwise.
>>107216480>what part of, "I know what I'm doing/this works for me" do you not understand?The "I know" part. How could you know when you don't know.
>>107216504I accepted your concession already, keep pretending you know what's in everybody's best interests. wrong HRTF values, shut the fuck up
>>107216483Its crazy how it both changes sample rates and eq works simultaneously in mine, then. You're thinking wasapi exclusive which isnt a dac, but whatever.
>>107216483If he's actually using placebo EQ I'd exhale slightly louder than usual.
>>107216520Just check the prevent clipping checkbox chud, it's for your own good.
>>107216542never. just know your audio, it's for your own good.
>>107216524Come to think of it I did install a driver for my dac, so its possible this is why I can such things
>>107216524Exclusive/not-exclusive is completely orthogonal to using built-in/external DAC. You can bypass APOs on built-in DACs and not bypass them on an external DAC. And if you want EQ you must not bypass them, EQ APO troubleshooter literally tells you to make sure that "Enable audio enhancements" is checked.
>>107216524>and eq works Does it really tho. I am curious now.
>>107216672It does it does, I might have missed a crucial point https://www.hidizs.net/pages/download-center.I think you are right in that most wouldnt do these sorts of things.
my plugin derailed the general loli am currently reworking gui and making the dsp part more robustwill be back with something fancier
>>107216685I don't think any of us talked about it? lol you're derailing your life
>>107216708the equalizerapo part obviously, duh
>>107213006No, they aren't, Sourav. Only IEMs with small top-quality 1DD are close, but still not there.
>>107216685Your preset was pretty ok anon, if I am a bit critical i'd say it pushed vocals a bit too forward and sometimes this leads to splashy instruments in some songs, but its definitely not horrible whatsoever
50 cents doesn't sound like much but I got over 20 bucks to spend on $5 shitbuds so far
Should I get the long 0.78 or recessed connector for my bunnies?
fvck.... blew my load, of ali benefits. another shitbud next week I guess
is there anything better I can get for this price?my previous iems are gato chu2
>>107217770im gonna say what everyone's thinking but are too afraid to sayniggerI mean tanchjim products aren't worth the money shit what'd I say lol
>>107217770Fola is the same thing with better accessories but tanchjim is goated and you really can't go wrong with any of their products.
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