>News & Rumors
Memory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027
RTX 50 Super, 2026 launch? Potentially cancelled, likely q3 if still being released
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"
AMD FSR "Redstone" Arrives December 10, Exclusive to Radeon RX 9000 Series
Micron consumer memory (Crucial) is no more

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps, currently only lists a selection of AM5 boards but is being actively updated : https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide : https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism : https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Monitor reviews : https://www.rtings.com/


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>>107457263
can cats see rgb or is it all grey like dogs?

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Why does every good looking 9070 have to suck or not available in my country

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Prebuilts are the only way forward.

>>107457308
Because AMD didn't release the reference cooler 9070xt
As revenge you should buy a b580

I didn't think pcbg would die because pc building is kill, but it does make sense.

>>107457322
>5080
>5200 mt/s ram
i hate prebulits so much bros

>>107457322
the future is cloud streaming. geforce now ultimate is $10 a month. you get a rtx 5080 rig running on epyc amd cpu. even at a full year you're only looking at $120.

>>107457346
Dell often uses sk Hynix sticks so if you get lucky and get one that comes with a richtek or renasas pmic, you can overvolt it to 1.55v and run it at 8000cl36

>>107457348
It's cheap now till everyone is on it. Then they charge whatever they want will no recourse.

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Time to buy budget phones because they are gonna quit being produced
Time to prep ur anus for massive ddr and nand related crime waves
Tfw you will never own a high end pc in your life
Tfw this was the last time to hop and ride out the waves until ddr6
Tfw I guess it's all over

are you fearmongermaxxing?
https://youtu.be/B7sB1-8jKno

>>107457364
>>107457322
I think Alienware has shit bios. It's locked down hard. That being said they at least use ATX and have acceptable airflow with the newer stuff.

>>107457365
$120 a year for your own rig is still cheaper what normies are paying for ai token subscriptions

>>107457387
Shame because their board engineers had the good sense to make their boards 1DPC

>>107457365
I can already picture it. its 10 a month for a basic cloud pc. If you want to game its at least 30. Then they start rationing the cloud resources and you need to pay more to play at peak times.

>>107457322
I found this one, it's more expensive but has 64gb of 6000mhz ram and 2tb ssd which should justify the difference. Also a presumably normal (but not necessarily good) motherboard and case. I wish prebuilts would give an list of exactly which components they use. Maybe I could figure out the motherboard by carefully examining the back panel connectors but I cbf.

https://www.newegg.com/msi-pro-dp400-gaming-desktop-pcs-geforce-rtx-5080-intel-core-ultra-7-265f-64gb-ddr5-2tb-m-2-nvme-ssd-no-hdd-hdd-2nvv-023us-black/p/N82E16883151772

>>107457370
>until ddr6
You call that fearmongermaxxing?
Not like I ever planned to build before AM6 anyway.

>>107457263
is that the Tryx AIO?
please tell me how are the termals and how is the pump/fan noise?

also is that the 600 or the 900 light base?

>>107457263
i don't understand why you'd let your pets anywhere near your pc
what's stopping them from causing damage to something when you aren't looking

>>107457402
>64 GB (16 GB x 4)
I don't think it's worth the premium. With 4 sticks it's probably running quite slow and you don't need 64gb if you are just gaming. SSD is super easy to change out if you need to in the future.

>>107457413
you can't be feared if you are already on a modern desktop pc

>>107457473
I'm on AM4

>>107457481
that's a modern pc

>>107457451
its a pretty harmless box and cat unless it weighs like 200lb

>>107457489
he's going to make your glass panels break one day

>>107457468
>4 sticks
hmm true. But you could sell two of them.

>>107457496
cats have agile anatomy. the only way they're gonna break that thing if it runs head first into it.

>>107457538
he's going to get cat fur inside your pc case and it'll short some components and kill your pc

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>>107457524
I'm really not trying to sell you on alien ware, but here is a similar spec with better parts. 1000w psu, 2x32 DDR5, AIO, known testing for cooling.

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if one scalped 128gb kits wonder how hard they would be to resell, small country small market
considering 32gb kits are way more popular those
would I have gotten cucked scalpmaxxing?

>>107457303
There appears to be scientific debate over the subject, with claims that dogs are dichromats capable of detecting yellow and blue, and cats are trichromats with yellow, green, blue, and violet, but they lack red and orange. They have far fewer cones, so they wouldn't be able to distinguish details of color as well as humans. They're very good at detecting brightness and motion.

>>107457263
Where does the heat and hot air go?
Does the cat absorb it?

>>107457322
Checked.
Found a good deal on a 98003xd/9070xt prebuilt. The problem is that cpu is overkill for me and it comes with liquid cooling. I've had my i7 6700k running like an champ air cooled for 9 years. Liquid cooling seems like a turbo kit or something that's going to be finicky and shitty.

>>107457642
Link?

>>107457675
https://www.costco.com/p/-/cyberpowerpc-gamer-supreme-liquid-cooled-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-47ghz-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-windows-11/4000395339?langId=-1

>>107457210
ooqif

>>107457642
>>107457702
Yea you are right about the 9800x3d, but it looks decent enough. Water cooling is plug and play now. It's nothing to worry about really. One reviewer said it has a super crappy SSD, but who knows.

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I boughted m.2 ssd and graphics card and now my PC only posts around 50% of the time

>>107457823
Have you tried turning it off and on again?

Thoughts on this build for gaming/video on second monitor? Budget is <£2000 in bongland. I don't really know how to pick a motherboard or power supply so just went with what seemed good. Should I go up to the 9070 XT?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Y3FMqH

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wtf why are there 3 fucking 5090s

>>107457840
I'm never rebooting this machine again

>>107457864
because of weak ass US sanctions on china

>>107457864
5090
5090 Chinese Edition
5090 Chinese Edition Nerfed Further

>>107457823
I had an old pc that didn't boot every time, and it turned out the motherboard battery was getting weak and needed replacement.

>Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 9070 16 GB Video Card £539.99
9070 XTs were like
I'm not one to judge and I don't know much about AMD only brands but
https://box.co.uk/rx-97tswf3b9-xfx-swift-radeon-rx9070xt-16gb is £547.99
just saiyan
like sapphire xfx i don't know about any of that shit

>>107457912
either are fine just pick whatever suits your build

>>107457906
Yeah I'm gonna try this once I have time to troubleshoot it.
Still, I fear the worst since this problem appeared the moment after I installed the nvme drive and swapped the GPU

>>107457864
China. I bet they sold those with a thumb drive with the unfucked BIOS.

>>107457912
Thank you, probably worth upgrading to the XT then. The processor etc for it is all fine? I don't know much about the individual brands either, I just want a 16 GB card that's going to be future-proof for a while.

>>107457855
> Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory £374.99
Fucking hell I paid £160 for that same kit and even then I knew I was getting ripped off
it's shot up that much
fucking hell I bought mine exactly one month ago

>>107457989
It will start looking like a steal in 1 month's time when it hits £600

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I waitfagged a bit more and now things are are going out of stock, haha lol...

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I have an old pc, and my friend just gave me his old rtx 2080 ti.
Would I be able to just plug it into my 550w psu computer? Cpu is an i7-4790, 32GBs of DDR3 ram. Currently using a gtx 1650. Or would it just shut my shit off because the 2080ti is more power hungry. Thanks.

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>>107457864
>5090
Unrestricted, 32GB
>5090D
Restricted compute load (gaming is fine, 32GB VRAM)
>5090D V2
5090D with only 24GB VRAM

>>107458085
Waitfagging is just financial self-harm at this point.

>>107458127
These are the questions you don't ask if you are a 1000W PSU Futureproofing GODMAN

>>107458127
I would get MSI Afterburner and learn how to apply a 70~80% power limit on OS startup.
That power limit + an undervolt should keep things safe.
For the undervolt, I would apply a +105 or +120MHz GPU core offset and set a 900mV voltage cap using Afterburner's Curve Editor.

It's not that intimidating; it's moving a few sliders and dragging a curve down.
https://github.com/LunarPSD/NvidiaOverclocking/blob/main/Nvidia%20Overclocking.md
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPpW9yXHvOU

>Get a 5070
>Looks fucking worse than my 4060 when running anything that is lower than native resolution
What the FUCK. My 4060 could run on lower resolution without looking like vomit but not this newer and """better""" card?

>>107457989
Yeah, fortunately that's one component I grabbed already. I even didn't get it for as low as you did but I'm glad I have it now.

>>107458182
Is this some elaborate bait?

>>107458127
You don't have to worry too much, 2080 Ti is a 250W base TDP card (600W PSU recommended), and the power limit + undervolt can lower the power draw down to 180~200W.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-ti.c3305

>>107458199
It's just the self-hating Indian shitposting about cards it doesn't own.

>>107458199
It isn't. When I play my RPG maker slop it will always scale the resolution and it looks like vomit on my 5070 whereas the 4060 was just fine doing that.
If I'm retarded and missing something obvious then please help me, I have to use integer scaling right now to make it not look like shit but that gives a "scanline" sort of look which I could do without.

>>107458182
>>107458199
not totally wrong. every new microarchitecture changes the graphics slightly. normies cant tell but eagle eye people can. you ever emulated a ps2 game before? it feels nothing like a real ps2 gpu.

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Hardware prices in russia never made sense (before the sanctions too) but this is fucking insane
66K RUR is 850 USD

>>107458223
That's why PCSX2 has software mode.

>>107458182
>>107458223
Don't most GPUs default to monitor scaling? You have enable software/ratio/integer scaling in drivers.

>>107458228
Was a random field in Luhansk really worth all this?

>>107458228
cant you just buy from china

>>107458288
It's not about the land, it's about the message (we will fuck with you if you try to join NATO).

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>>107458296
not without mail forwarding or buyer agents but yeah it would be ~20% cheaper for 1-2 months of wait and no warranty.
but actually I'm more confused about that TV.
would have ordered one now if I did not have a perfectly fine C2 already.

what kind of temps should i be expecting at idle/load for a 9800x3d

Fuck Microcenter for putting an assrock board in their 64gb+5080 prebuilts

>>107458404
40-55 at idle, I idle at 45. Under load I don't remember what mine is

>>107457613
Cats are notoriously good heat sinks. It's why they always curl up on you

>>107457210
Anyone use a PXN V9?

It feels really unresponsive in Forza. Am I having a chinkware problem or Forza game problem?

>Put price projects in AI and asks how much it reckons I need for DDR.
>AI says I should save about 300-400
Welp.

never owned a blower style gpu before
is it true they are retardedly loud

>>107458593
yeee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhPBbDXVRWU
>rotable AC outlet
Looking forward the housefires

>>107458593
yes lol

a mid range pc build costing over $2000 hurts my soul

>>107458637
What's the problem with that? It's just an additional wire on the inside to let it flex.

>>107458593
blower entirely depends on you having good external cooling. for example servers have loud asf fans in their blades. unless you also run your case fans high then the gpu will have no air.

>>107458652
Prebuilts are the future.

I need a better screwdriver holy shit

>>107458669
>lets introduce a point of failure in the most critical hardware capable to kill you potentially in case of failure
A PSU trying to solve a problem no one ever had

>>107458679
get one with magnetic tip. cant count how many times i drop the m.2 screw.

Are any of the latest Radeon Graphics cards worth it? I get a bad feeling about buying Nvidia.

>>107458694
you use amd cpu right? you already use amd gpu (igpu).

>>107458690
>>get one with magnetic tip
yes that's exactly the shit I need
these screws are a pain in the ass

>>107458182
>fell for the 5070 scam
my condolesceneses

>>107458694
ye especially if you use linux

>>107458685
for me it has 5 dedicated PCie ports.
There are even PSUs on the market today that can't natively support a 9070XT Red Devil because they don't have enough cables or PCie ports for the 3x 8pin configuration because they assume you will use the 12pin crap

>>107458685
>lets introduce a point of failure in the most critical hardware
So do you also sperg out about every single front-psu case that comes with an internal extension cable?

https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-64K-Textures-Mesa-26.0
what's good just gets gooder

If I'm currently rocking a 5700x3D/3080 10GB build is it smart spending ~2,000 (after sales tax) for a pre-built 7800x3D/9070 XT (w/ (probably) cheap 32GB DDR5) and a (probably) okay-ish PSU.

I can just spend $650 for the 9070 XT as a GPU upgrade alone, but I feel like I might as well get off the AM4 platform now while I can, take the wound, and avoid any further price fuckery (I had planned to do a full rebuild at some point next year anyway).

Not having the money isn't a problem here, I just don't want to spend it like a retard.

>>107458787
just buy the 32gb of good ram and switch in 6 months to the 9850x3d (it's not going to make any difference in gaming)

>>107458482
aight seems about right here on my end... pushed it to 80 at 100% util while compressing images

>>107458787
nobody on late stage am4/high end 30 series really needs to upgrade especially not to mid tier current gen

>>107458799
how many watts was it using?

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What's the best drivers for 9070xt? The 25.11.1 drivers keeps fucking me over, just had a blackscreen in which I could still hear the sound and had to restart my PC two times before my screens worked again.
Then all my drivers were uninstalled.
Looked it up and lots of people are having issues with these shit drivers.

What's the most stable version?

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Hey /pcbg/ you may recall me as the guy who plugged his monitor into the motherboard for a firmware update and the ethernet port stopped working until I reset the CMOS/shut off the PSU.
Now I installed an HDD and it did the same thing.
It's working now with the HDD but initially the motherboard noped out. Is this going to happen every time I plug something in...?
Motherboard is a MSl B850 Tomahawk Max and the PSU is a Corsair RM1000x

>>107458943
IO issues are normal for AMD

>>107458703
Correct sir, Just wondering about the GPUs

>>107458714
Sweet thanks

Was looking at
Radeon RX 9060 XT 16GB / Radeon RX 7600 XT 16GB

>>107458966
9060xt is good pick get that

>>107458821
I don't want to be stuck with 10GB VRAM for any longer than I have to. The next batch of GPUs aren't out until late 26/early 27 and I'm not guaranteed to get one during launch rush either. Also consider that I got this 3080 during launch week back in Oct/2020 was well.

>especially not to mid tier current gen
Is a 9070XT/7800x3D considered mid end? I thought it was more lower-high end. I'd effectively be moving from 2020 (at the time) high end specs to 2026 (at the time) high end specs overall. An equivalent power tier jump over 2 generations of cards in a 6 year period isn't that abnormal. I'd also have a CPU upgrade path on AM5 going down the line as well.

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>>107458679
You do not need more.

>>107458182
yeah maybe open nvidia panel and change to gpu scaling

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UM THE BUBBLE

WHEN DOES IT POP

>>107458823
huh forgot to check, lemme run it through the ringer again

>>107458924
oddly this set's the most stable out of all the ones i tried since march for me

stupid waitfags

>>107459059
It's an acceptable time to buy a GPU now, so you can do that, and regardless of runaway "mid" inflation, the 9070XT/5070ti tier is the last stop before prices go retarded. 7800X3D is a generation old now and one generation above 5700X3D, and RAM is already unsustainably fucked, so I'd keep the 5700X3D until 10800X3D or whatever they call it.

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>>107458637
Lian Li manages to pinpoint my exact frustrations when connecting shit to my PC. Even down to the fact I have an internal USB hub taped to my PSU

Sadly for Lian LI I'm already married to a PSU and will likely be for another 6 years

Don't buy, keep waiting.

>>107458679
I assembled my whole build with one of those miniature chinese set screwdrivers, I couldnt even get any grip on the self screwing screws for the fans

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>27" 5k QDOLED monitor
>55-77" 240hz QDOLED Samsung TVs
>GTA6 release
>6090 release
we wait

>>107458924
I guess it's the issue where winblows on its own decides to remove Radeon drivers and installs some generic driver/outdated driver, that has happened there for few people

rtx 5070ti or rx 9070xt?

>>107458593
all air cooled GPUs are loud lol

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>>107458823
display driver crashed thrice while editing this image lol different readings from both software though

>>107459200
Forgot to say that it is for a gaming pc.

>>107459040
is there any value in spending £200+ more for a 9070 or 9070XT?

Arc Raiders don't even got FSR4
FSR4 might as well not exist

>>107459220
lol those temps are crazy high

>>107459200
9070 XT, monster card for the price
the only way it gets any better is an XTX
use linux

>>107459397
>>the only way it gets any better is an XTX
lol
lmao even

>>107457210
where do I buy long radiator fan screws for a push pull setup? I wanna add fans to my current AIO but can't find out what length and kind of screw to buy.

>>107459179
But can it do that while I'm playing games? That crash I had happened all of a sudden while being in a game.

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>>107459451
They're just m3 screws. Just buy a pack like pic rel for $10 on amazon and it'll be cheaper then hunting down 8x of the right screws and you'll have more for hobby projects.

>>107459260
Arc Raiders might as well not exist

Wanting to replace a 5700XT for a 9070XT
Is 750W PSU enough?

>>107459503
Thanks. That looks pretty useful to have around.
How long exactly do they have to be? I'm trying to mount a double 360 aio push pull front and top slots in an antec flux pro. I've seen screw sizes ranging from 25 to 35mm

One of my monitors is about to die. It flickers black every few seconds and I have to repeatedly turn it on and off to get it running properly for a day only for it to be broken again the next day. I already did the basic troubleshooting of checking cables and such
Do I buy a new one right away or should I try harder to rescue my old one?

>>107459397
How is linux performance on the 9070xt compared to windows 11?

>>107459557
to radeon retards

>>107459239
9070 is 50% faster so worth the upgrade
XT is only 10% faster than the 9070 and you can oc/flash it to match

>>107459429
The xtx is more powerful than the 9070xt, we've known this for almost a year now. 9070xt only wins when pathtracing is involved but that shit is unplayable even on Nvidia with stutter and no vram crashing.

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>>107459603
faster in most titles unless its involves RT

>>107459642
>9070xt only wins when pathtracing is involved
So the 9070 is stronger, understood.
>but I get more FPS with potato graphics!

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>>107459589
one sec let me measure.

>>107459663
>but that shit is unplayable even on Nvidia with stutter and no vram crashing.
you need 24gb vram for that shit. same thing with AI. doing shit on 16gb of vram is dumb. especially on linux, nvidia gpu vram doesnt overflow into system ram it just crashes.

I'm going to derivet my HAF 932 and replace all the rivets with M3 screws on nuts and washers instead. But first I need to fix the fucking corner impact shipping dent.

>>107459663
9070 cant be faster because its straight up power limited. even with nitro card its doing 400w at best. xtx unlocked can do 650w like 4090.

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>>107459667
>>107459589
M25 is typical. I looked at the set I bought from amazon it was 25mm. That should work for most any fan unless the fan is much wider. Most kits go 25mm then 30mm, so if you have fat fans you might need 28mm, but I bet you'll be fine with 25mm

>>107459663
This kek. Do anons really think we're living in 2008? Time they wake up reality and realize nobody is playing time splitters like it's a brand new game.

>>107459106
I got one a bit longer (like 14") than that with a magentic tip, game changer.

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>>107459723
These are like $27 on amazon

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>>107459705
Thanks, anon

>>107459603
windows 10 already ran everything piss poor. linux has run everything faster since it's inception but microsoft is a violent monopoly. take your windows install and dump it into a folder on your AMD linux.

>>107459718
>>107459663
people dont care about graphics settings they just use dev default

>>107459220
thanks, 120w is the cap on that cpu, what cooler are you using?

>>107459663
>So the 9070 is stronger, understood.
no, except in some edge math cases that have to be looked at under a microscope.
the 9070 however features way more dollar per FPS than the 7900 XTXs, so in a way it is stronger in the fact that per dollar you are getting more raster.
9070 XT is a monster card and totally worth it

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I want to buy the Lian Li o11 vision compact after having seen that the Corsair 4000d Frame's casing is flimsy as fuck.

Any fans you guys can recommend that are cheap for it since it comes with none? Cheers.

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>>107459782
good luck. Also something to keep in mind with push pull, as I am one of the full on custom water cooling faggots, and I've done a lot and learned a lot in the process.

>when it comes to pull, the static pressure of the fan matter more than airflow
>Use the gasket if they have one for pull
>Unless you have a rad with a high fin density, push/pull doesn't give that much.
>If you can re-adjust to your rad to pull in cold air, just a simple push cold air will provide better cooling than a push/pull with hot air

Just let me know if I can help.

>>107459812
everything corsair makes are rugs based on fomoing whatever "gamers" are

>>107459792
Yup people just turn on DLSS auto and play with shader stutter

>>107459812
Anon, there is an air version of that case that comes with like 5 fans, and the net cost comes out to something like $2 a fan. They're not the greatest fans, but they're not the worst. Look into that model for a good fan deal. It will be cheaper than buying any fans.

Or if you're really poor, setup a burner email and I'll give you all the extra fans I have (including the ones from that case). Assuming you live in the US.

>>107459663
the only card that can do 60 fps pathtracing is the 5090, "nvidia" doesn't do pathtracing either, 5090 does pathtracing

>>107459836
Total bro post.

>>107459106
Torque screw drivers are nice

>>107459855
I literally have boxes of unused fans I will never use. If he has a P.O. Box, he should take me up, I'll even cover shipping, think of it as a Christmas gift.

>>107459836
Sadly live in Germoney, I'll give it a look though, thank you!
>>107459821
Yeah nearly fell for that, I'd have been so unhappy if i found that out the hard way.

kek IT guys are desperately trying to get new hardware orders placed now and managers are saying just do it next year.

ahahahahahahahahaha there's gonna be a reckoning when every company sees all prices double

Considering replacing my current build. I'm so tired of the retarded GPU economy.

I'm currently using an HP Omen I've had for about 3.5 years. It's the first prebuilt I've had in over 20 but I bought it because the 3080ti in it at the time cost more by itself than the entire fucking system did, and honestly it hasn't had any issues other than the fans defaulted to be loud as fuck and it ran a little hot.

I picked up a G9 57" monitor (not here yet) and I don't know if the 3080ti is going to quite hack it anymore.

Looking at getting one of the dell alienware prebuilts because I can get a 5080 with 265k for under 1700 bucks with current discounts. As much as I'd rather build my own it's really getting hard to justify nowadays

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>>107459922
Anon, that's not funny. I have about 4 million to spend on network upgrades this year and I haven't even figured out what to buy yet...

Has anyone ever had an m.2 ssd fail on them? How long do they last?
I don't know why but I can't bring myself to trust ssds. I don't understand how a thin ass wafer I can snap with two fingers can hold terabytes of data. Guess I'm too old school being used to hard drives.

>>107460060
lol no. I still have some 2.5" SSDs I used to run my system on that are still alive and well

>>107460060
i had a sata one die after like 6/7 years but it was a wd green i think
it was my first one when i idnt trust non-mechanic tech yet

>>107460060
I've never had an nvme fail on me. I've have sata ssds fail on me with zero warning though.

spending all this money on the pc has me now buying other shit I never even needed, it's like I've become a total buyfag now

>>107460060
I had a silicon motion drive overheat and die. my fault for not installing heatsink properly.

>>107460060
My system SSD died on me after like, 8 years? It was a shitty 128GB Sandisk on SATA though.
Just don't write too much stuff on it and you'll be fine.

>>107460090
That's the danger of making lots of money too anon. I do just shy of $200k/year and when I see something I just buy it, I don't even think.

I have zero debt and I still save, but I could save a lot more if I didn't shop for things and buy on demand like a woman...

>>107460102

PCs are a lot cheaper and more generally useful than other hobbies. Guns, knives, and woodworking cost me more than PCs and I use the PC more often. It's not worth worrying about but I do understand your frustrations. I feel silly going back and forth over some minor but demonstrable PC upgrade when I'll drop more on a gun I'll barely shoot or a knife I'll never carry or a tool I'll use for some niche purpose a few times and then hang on to just in case someone else needs to join two countertops on a 45 degree miter or whatever again.

But at a certain point when you're financially secure, who cares? Buy what you like that makes you happy, it's only money.

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>>107460147
>But at a certain point when you're financially secure, who cares? Buy what you like that makes you happy, it's only money.
Yeah fair point, you do only live once.

I do the same shit, I'll go back and forth over some useful part I should buy for my PC then drop way to much on a new suppressor for a caliber I rarely shoot. Thank god I have some sense because if I lost all restraint I'd go buy a transferable ma-duce ASAP. What's your favorite gun/caliber to shoot anon?

>>107460185

Favorite would be 44, as I adore my 629 stealth hunter.

I shoot a lot more 9 though, and normally through a Shadow 2. I'd like to pick up a DWX but I like to buy private party whenever possible and they're scarce as hens teeth on the secondary market without having to ship, which to me says a lot about their quality and desirability.

Also picked up a 4.25 prodigy recently that actually seems very nice. Only put a couple thousand through it but it's a good shooter, although I really prefer irons for fun shooting (and my shadow 2 doesn't have an optic for that reason).

>might have to be forced to run 4x16gb with the way prices are now
how fun

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Buy a prebuilt and flip it before they adjust the prices for ram.

I put together a system similar to a $2700 Maingear for $3000, ram was $400 alone.

>>107460244
>4.25 prodigy
oh nice, how do you like that?

I have a staccato C2 that a friend basically gave me, and it's probably my favorite pistol to shoot.

>>107460245
Why do you need 64GB anon?

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Deal?

>>107460293

It's very nice. I hear the initial run had some issues but I've had none at all out of mine and it's not from that initial run. It has a surefire 300 and a holosun 507c and has been very reliable and a soft shooter.

Compared to a staccato, I don't think you'd realistically see much difference in actual use and the springfield mags are pretty good. My day job is in LE and a couple of the guys have staccatos and they're nice but no better than lots of the other 2011s on the market. There was a stint there where you could get base model Ps for about 1700 with an LE discount and a lot of us bought one then. I teach firearms for my agency but we're limited in what we can carry, so I only use it on my own time, and I normally conceal a 43x or 365 spectre off the clock.

So you're pretty much locked into a buying a 4070/5070 at best if you don't want to get raped in addition to jewed?

>>107460293
>Why do you need 64GB anon?
futureproofing

here's my build i made back in 2023
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j9GRLc

>>107460475
9070xt/5070ti is the agreed upon stopgap point.

>>107460326
hell no

>>107457370
>Time to buy budget phones because they are gonna quit being produced
Nobody is gonna use mobile SoCs to train AI, unless it’s some Apple A9000

>>107460507
but they use dram

>>107460503
Link to something better?

>>107459451
>>107459503
> They're just m3 screws.
No! They are not metric! They have American "Unified Coarse Thread", UNC. Look here:
https://www.arctic.de/en/Radiatorfan-Screw/MPSCR00201BB
Where it says:
> UNC6-32 Screw

The threads of M3 are too small! I tried them and they don't seat firmly in the radiator!

The length that you need/want depends on the fan model and how you intend to run the screw. I used Arctic P14 PWM PST fans and I ran the screws not through both holes in the corners of the fan, just through the lower one. This is possible with this fan because it has open corners. For this reason I used 1/2 inch length. I might as well have used long screws through both holes but this would couple the mounting of grills with mounting the fans themselves. ARCTIC P14 are 27mm thick and would require at least 35mm long screws in this case so you can also install grills with them.

>>107460487
$750 is about the maximum I feel comfortable spending having spent that much on my 3070 three years ago so that checks out.

>>107460528
used ram from ebay

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>>107460587
It cost more used.

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>>107460528
Fun aside, you don't want to buy hardware just before Christmas. It's going to be cheaper early January.

>all those scalpers
man, american society is so fucked up, I get why they do mass shootings every single day, it must be a nightmare to live with other americans

>>107458924
25.9.2
had issues with random clock spikes and increased wattage and reverted to that and it's all good now. remember to DDU
>>107459179
the version number would be weird if that was the case, like 25.10.30 or something

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>$40 thermalright AIO includes a tube of thermal paste that's supposedly better than my MX-4

how is this company even make a profit?

>>107460624
How can it be cheaper if they don't make any more?

>>107460636
Taiwanese company

>>107460627
imagine going to P.E. in school and your gym teacher is fat in a scooter. thats america.

>>107458924
best driver: mesa driver on linux

alternate best driver: guru3d forum beta drivers

cope drivers (windows): 25.4.1

>>107460713
mesa for windows when

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>>107460624
gonna wait for the dip

>>107460746
They have to make more for there to be a dip.

>>107460713
>>107460635
I've heard both 25.4.1 and 25.9.2 are good, which one is the most "stable"? I can't remember which one I had before trying this shitty 25.11.1 drivers

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>>107460766
8 000 $
Eight thousand US Dollars

>>107460772
try 25.9.2 first and if you have issues then go down to 25.4.1.

>>107460736
when microsoft unfucks wddm

I was thinking of buying a 4000D Frame case and putting TL-S12W/TL-S12RW thermalright fans in it because I like the rgb led design. Are they good enough for a 9600x/9060xt pair?
Or maybe you have other led ring design fans in mind? This led design seems pretty rare and you can't search for it specifically.

>>107460796
What's the difference between 25.9.2 and 25.9.1? I see people online recommending both of these.

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which to pick

>>107460822
they're more or less the same except 25.9.2 is more up to date. read the numbers on the page.

25.9.1 - 32.0.21025.10016
25.9.2 - 32.0.21025.15011

>>107460832
battlefield 6 easily

>>107460832
how did u get that

>picked up the last parts yesterday and decided to start building today
>haven't built a PC in 13 years
>how hard could it be
>I'll start with the PSU
>open the box and just stare
>realize I have no idea what all these cables are for or even how to mount the PSU in my new front-mounted PSU case
Almost 6 hours to install everything aside from the GPU and my old hard drives, when I tried booting it the mobo DRAM lamp stayed on orange but thankfully it only took half an hour to find out that one ram stick wasn't seated correctly and it now boots into bios.
That's enough for today, I'll finish it tomorrow.

Is 137$ for a 2TB SATA SSD too expensive to justify now? The 1TB GoodRAM SSD's are still $90 for the moment.

>>107460001
all the "AI" hardware is going to be e-waste in 3-5 years and will flood the used market, Zen 6 and Nova Lake and promise to be huge generational uplifts, DDR 6 is in development, general RAM prices can really only go down from here. Now is the best time to be a waitfag in a long time.

What happens in a financial crash anyway

what happened in 2008

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THESE NIGGAS ARE SELLING A PATA SSD NEW RETAIL
WHAT

>>107460898
YES WAITFAGS JUST WAIT 3-5 YEARS GOOD TIMES ARE COMING BROS

JUST GO TO COLLEGE WITH YOUR CURRENT COMPUTER

IT'LL BE SO GOOD BY THE TIME YOU GRADUATE

>>107460822
.2 is just the second revision of that month with more up to date changes. 25.9.1 is baseline if you're on a 90 series card and want fsr4 support through adrenaline. if you don't care about that and just use optiscaler then you can use 25.4.1

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>>107460891
It's probably too late, those price are definitely inflated. The 1TB SU650 for example was 40 euros back in October.

Ok I give up.
AIOs just suck dude.
This is my 3rd one. I got the TRYX Panorama 360
The quietest aio on the market (even quieter than the noctua air cooler according to the recent best cooler video from GamersNexus)
And this pump is making buzzing noises like a fucking bee even on the lowest rpm.
There is nothing quiet about this pump. the fans quiet at low rpm.

I have no idea what to do now. I feel like I'm going insane over this shit.

>>107460909
where would one even plug that in

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>>107460898
>>107460918
should have bought sub msrp 5090
should have bought el cheapo ddr5
should have bought rest of components during bf
should have bought new monitor
I would had finally been able to rest
now it's back on the carousel of cope until 6090

>>107460918
I did this except I never graduated or went to college

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>>107460949
enjoy your rusting block of metal and +10c temps with a giant cooler I guess

>>107460898
I waited from 2017 to 2019
I waited from 2020 to 2022
I will be 25 years old at this pace settling for 4 year old second hand hardware and paying $750-$1000 for it
All I had to do was buy a fucking 2070S in 2019 or wait a few months to buy 4080's in 2023
Or buy shit at Microcenter in Christmas last year
But normalfags don't think about these sort of dilemmas because they don't spend life on the computer

>>107460881
Good job. Hope everything else goes smooth.

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>>107460949
Oh those tests never count pump noises, they just focus on fans and temps AIO slurpers don't care.

Just get the G2

OR If you are that autistic just get the NH-P1

>>107460961
I have a usb adapter. I use it for pulling data off old drives.

It feels like continuing to waitfag is pure cope at this stage.

>>107461087
I don't know what to buy anymore to be honest

>>107461087
Yep. I you don't have a system by now you are fucked. It's like when I waited for the 4090 to price drop.

someone help me with mobo to get 4-5 drives, uses an intel 14700k

i havent built in 10 years
yes i am panic building

but i can afford it but my pc is on its last legs due to the AIO and i dont have a newer case that can remount easily and im anxious

also, what the fuck is the best 1000W PSU?
im going for a 14700 + nv 4070 (got it for $500 on sale a week ago on impulse buy bc people said GPUs will spike and its already 700)

i bought a 1tb samsung 870 and thinking about 4tb 990 wiuth heatsink

yes im a intel cuck but im begging at this point for help with a mobo + PSU
ill buy a case last, i always go full tower
my anxiety is at an all time high but thankfully i saved 5k away for this exact fucking reason bc i am a fucking retarded waitfag

>>107461087
I'm actively waiting for things to get worse actually. Can't wait until even cheap appliances like electric kettles to balloon in price because AI fags started feeding all the copper in the world to our AI god.

>>107461087
missed consooming might aswell wait for 6090 at this point

>>107461128
>I waited for the 4090 to price drop.
there was a very small window in January where retards were selling their 4090s for $1000 so they could buy a 5090. They got fucked when they saw there were about 100 5090s in the entire US for 6 months.

Just finished maxxing out my build to future proof it for the next several years
Went all bequiet with the cooling and even the psu
7x 120mm light wings pwm high speed case fans
Dark rock elite cpu cooler
Dark power 13 1000w 80+ plat psy

Holy fuck I don't think I've ever had a more whisper quiet machine
You will never catch my ass using an AIO ever again

>>107461134
the only thing you need to panic buy is ram, ssd and soon gpu
for the rest you take ur time

>>107461134
calm down
go to pcpartpicker and make a list
report back

>>107461156
Min would be totally silent if I didn't fall for the peerless assassin meme

>>107461134
I'd get a Seasonic Vertex GX-1000 1000W. They are good Power supplies.

>>107461087
I don't fucking care, I'll never buy 32GB of RAM for more than 120 bucks.
I was in the process of buying parts but I'll make do with my laptop until next december if I have to.

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>go to local hardware webshop
>check memory prices
>

>>107461158
im doing that ATM but my anxiety is off the charts. sadly i cannot self medicate because 1) family is staying 2) im also applying for new jobs

i already worked out today. holy shit this is like COVID 2.0 for me

>>107461170
thank you frend. i had a seasonic in my current old build and i heard they dipped in quality but i am comfortable paying top price for the best PSU as i believe its the heart and soul - good power means long life

>>107461145
Yep. I was also expecting new 4090's to drop in price, not for China to be banned, with three months notice, so they could buy every 4090 in existence.

After spending some tine in local llm subreddits I've seen that they're seething hard at the ram pricing too but also that they are still willing to pay these prices. It also explained why all those ebay listings at insane prices are still selling, it really is just them buying it.

It doesn't even look like local LLM people care about money, they clearly have the cash, this shit is their video games and they are willing to pay up even when seething.

best non-faggotry no frills no OCing just-works Brand for Intel 14th gen CPUs?

i heard MSI slipped

>>107461185
>i heard they dipped in quality
They have some cheap ass models, but the higher end is still very good. You can even get a platinum if you care, but the Gold is already very efficient with good components.

Redpill me about water cooling
It's still a meme? Or is better than air cooling?

>>107461240
a pan full of water takes longer to heatup than a dry pan, ofc its better.

>>107461240
water is a must if you are 14 years old or younger

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>>107461259
water is a must if you are human

>>107460898

I went back and looked at when I bought my last (prebuilt). $2200 shipped for an overall at the time high end rig in November of 2021, so further back than I thought.

There have been no good times for GPUs in that time frame. Wait fags are delusional

>>107461270
vodka is my daily driver

>>107461201
gigabyte

>>107461177
not buying ram dip is not that harsh considering can still find poverty ram kits
not buying the 5090 DIP is a 650$ mistake
new msrp ones don't exist currently again
back up to old msrp

>>107461240
performance yes it's better

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>>107461303
i used gigabyte back in late 00s, they dipped in the 2010s, have they returned to good status?
what would pair for i7 14700, at least 4-6 SATA, 1 NVME, no focus on OC? i just need SPDIF (sp?) output for audio to external DAC and hoping to convert one SATA to ESATA through an adapter maybe (not that important, may have to settle for USB3.1/0)

>>107461205
yeah looks like some newer seasonics (budget) have issues

>>107460331
oh nice, I'll check them out, might be something worth picking up for a bud. I wouldn't pay full price for a staccato, they're nice, but I got it for almost nothing because my wealthy friend wanted to upgrade.

>>107460559
hmm that's worth checking out. I use alphacool rads so they were just m3s

I timed the literal bottom, bought all components late august/early sept, my PC costs 1.5x today

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I have a RTX 5070 Ti that I've been using in a computer for a while, I have it overclocked/undervolted to 3000 MHz @ 0.9600 MV, it had been stable this way for several months.

Then recently I sold my computer but kept the 5070 Ti, built a new one and reinstalled it, the drivers, etc. but I noticed that my OC/UV is no longer stable for some reason? I can't go over 2950 MHz now at that same voltage without crashing.... what gives?

>>107461439
different PSU?

>>107461469
Well they are different indeed, but I would say they are probably more or less the same quality, I had a RM750X before and now have a RM1200X Shift...

>>107461439
Did you change drivers? That fucks with shit. I lost stability with my 5080 on one version they gained more on another. Hell even windows updates fuck with shit.

>>107461439
>>107461491
yeah Nvidia just switched to a new driver branch. it can affect oc/uv.

>>107461439
maybe new mobo is worse

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I can't find a reasonable priced SSD, what's going on

>>107461487
Dunno, I'd suspect the PSU in this case, maybe the other one supplied cleaner power.

>>107461544
Sir you are looking at RAM.

>>107460832
Definitely not CIV7, disrespectful POS game.
Greedy faggots diluted everything to run on a PS4.

>>107461563
I mean ram, oops

>>107461563
it has gigs and bytes, same thing

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So the tide begins...

>>107457308
Move to a better country.

>>107460949
FYI, it's not recommended to run AIO pumps at very low RPM.
Set it to at least 40%.

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>>107461544
The RAM companies also make all the NAND
Also that's RAM
Also there is no RAM

>>107457322
Deal right now. All the 5080s on Newegg and Amazon are going for $1200+

>>107457348
Internet video quality sucks. Unless you've watched a real Blu-ray or 4K Blu-ray, you have no idea how much people are being scammed by streaming services.

>>107457365
Yup. Just like streaming movies and TV shows. Once everyone is hooked, jack up the prices.

>>107461344
>i used gigabyte
ah you said "no oc"
then I guess whatever
gigabyte if you oc on lga1700
lol
it literally swaps every socket

>>107461414
fuck pc's I am putting all my money into stonks and starting daytrading I am too poor for this
I have been outpriced
I need more money
once I make it I will stop caring
tired!

>>107461592
if you need budget components CONSOOM NOW
it will all be over soon

>>107461628
yeah it's not like normies care about it during netflix and chill

>>107460909
old embedded systems use these, been a while since i've seen one

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Welp, it runs bretty good. Also fuck me I should have never been a waitfag.

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Why can't case makers actually make big cases these days?

>>107461776
Waiting hasn't worked for over 10 years. Congratulations.

>>107461776
enable XMP/EXPO

>>107461846
what the fuck

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>>107461003
P1 can't work without GOOD airflow.

Does anyone here actually own a 5090?

>>107461881
hi

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>>107461856
Full tower version of the Chieftec Dragon. Absolutely massive case.

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Why is all the EXPO-based RAM virtually sold out while XMP-based offerings are widely available at "reasonable" prices?

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>Bought a 64GB kit of RAM for $450 a few weeks ago
>It's now $900
Kek, this is only going to get worse, right?

>>107461900
should be the new "Mom, you don't understand. I need a full tower!" meme.

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>>107461846
available in a modern format, anon

>>107461906
Because no one is buying LGA 1700 or LGA 1851 anymore. Former because it's a dead platform where the best CPU's are known to kill themselves. And Arrow Lake was slower in gaming than Raptor Lake so no one wants those either. That's why anyone buying DDR5 wants it to be EXPO based.

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>>107460949
>Ok I give up.
>AIOs just suck dude.

I fucking knew it. That's why I never got one.
I got my Dark Rock Pro for R7 2700X back in 2018
Now it's cooling a 5700X.
No water = no permeation, no pump = no pump failure.
The cooler ran for 8 years and might run forever, the AIOs simply can't do that.

>>107461921
That's tiny compared to the dragon.

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Real proud of my new pc because I always chose the cheapest option and bought refurbished/secondhand since I built my first pc at 14. I'm 27 now and finally splurged.

HOWEVER.

Its not as silent as I'd like it to be, even with the GPU fans turned off. All fans at 300 rpm and the hydroshift at its lowest rpm and I still hear a lot of fan noise, and even some high pitched rinkling from time to time. Spending a lot of money on a pc is a recipe for disappointment because every little thing gets put under a magnifying glass. Any tips to reduce the noise?

>>107461881
Yes, and a 5080/3090.

>>107461606
seems a bit inaccurate since you never know what the min rpm of the pump is.
Lian Li Hydroshift lowest is 1600
Tryx Panorama lowest is 2700
TT Vision 360 lowest is 1200

>>107461911
>bought 64gb 6000CL30 corsair dominator titanium for 300€ back in march
>absurd expensive kit for the time
>price went now up in two months to 970 €
>estimated delivery time is 3 to 7 months
ridiculous

>>107461940
>5700x
Kek ok

>>107461911
for the next year

>>107461900
Why not make it out of a working refrigerator. That way everything stays cool.

>>107461953
Try putting on closed back headphones

>>107461953
>reduce the noise
dynamat

>>107461953
strange
same case and same fans here when I set the fans to 300 I could barley hear them.
Is the pump at 1600 rpm?
you have to set all the fans/pumps in bios to full speed because of the wireless connector.

>>107461906
because many people, like the other anon that replied to you, easily fall for marketing tricks and look for the EXPO brand name first

pro tip: XMP profiles and EXPO profiles are specified in the same way in the RAM's SPD. XMP profiles work on AMD, and EXPO profiles work on intel. there are some AMD-specific blocks for extended subtimings but these aren't used in practice

>>107461955
How much did you pay and what model?

>>107462024
I did not know about the BIOS thing. Just set a constant fan curve at full speed or is there anything else I should change?

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disregard pc gaymen im going a self improovment arc

Is there any way to make my mechanical hard drive quiet? It rattles the fuck out of my new case even with rubber dampeners. I'm fine with nuking the speeds, if it's possible. I really just use it for media.

>>107462061
50 series were Gigabyte. MSRP for the 5080 and a rip off bundle for the 5090. 3090 is an EVGA I got new for the sale price of $900.

will the ram prices affect 5090 prices? Wonder if i should just get a 5090 and buckle in for a few years

>>107462065
just bios full speed 100%
and then set the rpm with the l connect software in windows.
and check if they're actually at 300 rpm with the software.
maybe resnyc them after you changed the bios.

>>107462141
I'll try it out tomorrow. Thanks.

AIO or Cooler Fan?

>>107462261
What cpu?

>>107462261
aio, only tardos still use air coolers

>>107462287
Ryzen 9900x

>>107459667
That's a nice build.
Consider lifting it 1-2 inches off the carpet.
Would additional fans fit under your vertical bracket?

>>107462118
three 5080's or one 5090
make your decision
or 4 to 5 9070 XT's

>>107462118
Yes. I fucked up hard with the 4090. They sell used for what people bought them new. Even to this day. The 5090 will be the same or better. At worse you can sell it and get your money back after a year of use.

>>107462336
Only the 5090 will hold resale.

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>>107462049
So the prices are basically inflated because even Intel users are scrambling for expensive EXPO RAM for no real reason? As long as the timings are relatively tight and the speed is fine other cheaper alternatives should work equally well (with the caveat that AMD systems can run into issues above 6000MHz).

>>107462118
a 5080 is plenty enough for gaming if you are on 1440P, 5090 is only needed for 4K or serious computational loads. I've built both, if you don't need it, save dollars and get the 5080.
>>107462353
This guaranteed but i don't know if it's entirely true (i think 5080 might hold better value given how good it is). It's die is basically maxed out so I don't see huge improvements in next gen unless they manage to drop power consumption which is getting harder.

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>>107462118
>>107462336
>>107462343
>>107462353
>>107462390
The 4090 owners won big. Game for years and get paid for it. No reason to believe the 5090 won't do the same.

>>107462295
AIO unless you're an anti-AIO schizo in which case you want the NH D15 LBC

>>107462348
>>107462348
>>107462348

>>107462401
this is why you buy a (or lower) than msrp 5090
the gpu housing market
appreciate your gpu

>>107461134
>>107461185
You need to update the motherboard BIOS, one with 0x12F microcode, to protect that 14700K.
Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX if you're comfortable with using the CPU + RAM-less Q-Flash Plus feature to update the board BIOS before you install the 14700K (4x M.2 slots, 6x SATA ports).
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T2H7YJ/gigabyte-z790-aorus-elite-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-aorus-elite-ax
https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_intel700-features_e.pdf
It's not worth overpaying for a Z790 board with 14th-gen CPU compatibility out of the box.