XXX editionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/>Frequency Response Graph Toolsquig.link>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U) - $22• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18• Snowsky Melody (10-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>107459612
NEON GENESIS IEMGELION: You will (not) EQ
Should I buy the SM5?
follow the tree
>>107484676>boosted 5k>severely recessed >10klooks like ass
Enjoy 1-bit audio with your bit-perfect RU7https://files.catbox.moe/5u4qbm.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/dcpvg8.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/86rbbt.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/u52vog.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/fitm00.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/kp8d4r.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/ryc8yg.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/ucbapj.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/sdkppf.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/ifm9wv.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/g6do0d.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/joo8v6.wv
>>107484648192KHzhttps://pomf2.lain.la/f/18k5g7kn.flachttps://files.catbox.moe/mf0xni.flac
>>107484677this stinks can we get the retarded dogma pasta instead
>>107485182do not deny tree
>>107485204its soulless
>>107485222blinded by the tree, happens to some
>>107485232cringe
>>107485234follow the tree and tell us your end
>>107485244no thanks
tree won
https://files.catbox.moe/55zr6g.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/sfqnlk.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/twhy5w.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/6ylwi2.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/rbb78g.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/acnu9v.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/2kvrjx.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/k6eyi2.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/q4x7ui.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/quyamx.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/2sldzu.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/chwrqe.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/qe56e3.wvhttps://files.catbox.moe/1ljd7o.wv
/iemg/ BuybuybuyShitbuds$2 Dawn 1DD$3 EDC Pro 1DD$4 Rue 1DD$4 Luki 1DD+1subwoofer$5 Konoka 1DD+1BA+1subwoofer$5 Kunten 1DD$6 ED9 Pro 1DD$7 Castor 2DD$7 Krila 1DD+1BA$8 Venus 1DD$10 QKZ x HBB 1DD$11 TRN Lucky Bag (5 iems)$12 Tangzu Waner$12 Rosefinch 1DD$12 GATe 1DD$13 Chu II 1DD$14 Bunny 1DD$14 PR2 1planar$15 Luna 1planar$18 Decet 5DD$20 LF3 Pro 1DD+1EST+1BA$20 ST7 2DD+5BA$30 VX Pro+ 1DD+8BAAmps$5 Apple Dongle$15 TRN Black Pearl$130 Shanling UP6$150 TA-66$175 RU7
>>107485388>no samsung coaxial endgamegutter oil list
ali tutorial: tap widget for 75, tap gogo match for 50, tap local shipping for $.5 voucher, shop at coins page, get store coupons promo coupons saver coupons
what is the point of expensive IEMs when $10 chifi accurately matches the standard reference curve for IEMs? Is the audio quality really so much better on the Truthear Pure that it justifies its increased price over the Truthear Gate?
>>107485491if you're broke just say that
>>107485495im not broke im a kleptomaniac
>>107485495thanks, i should have said i was a musician
I recently bought Faaeal Iris 2.0. I like the sound, but they are too large and built like crap. Are there more premium alternatives?
tree is just like eq guide astroturfed soulless coal nobody ever reads while dogmapost is gemmy ragebait
>>107485645So am I retarded or good if I didn't understand a single term used here?
>>107485685it's ok, the other redditors here don't know either
eq guide: raise subbass, lower ear rape, neg pregain, buy amp
eq guide won
usecase for paying more than $25 for shenzhen slop?
>>107485746>buy ampThat's from the hearing loss guide.
>>107484597>Budget $200>Usecasemedia consumption, electroacoustic music production >FR Neutral, with as wide of a soundstage is possible with IEMs>Music example https://voca.ro/13z0nnEMCb3T>Past gear SE215 - used them a lot, but crappy build quality. Sounded pretty good to me when I was a teenager. Bose QC TWS - quite terrible sounding in all honesty, so mid heavy it sounds like mud Moondrop Chu 2 - sounds like improved phone throw-ins, zero soundstage and tinny but otherwise decent sounding.Philips Fidelio X2HR - great soundstage, but veiled even when driven properly. Also not an IEM.
>>107488569>Neutralthat's complicated...>with as wide of a soundstage is possible with IEMsIEMs do not have a soundstage
>>107488624>that's complicated...i'll take whatever the latest and greatest in flat standards is >IEMs do not have a soundstagesoundstage, separation, imaging, whatever you want to call it, i'm trying to find an IEM that sounds less "all in the head".
>>107488668I'd say something like tanchjim fola is your best bet for something with a decent soundstage and relatively neutral but there's no guarantees
currently rocking the moondrop may on my hiby r4 and really like them. i've read that the blessing 3 are an upgrade if one does like the may, is that true? i don't want to shell out 400 bucks for a sidegrade.
>>107488668>>107488722or nora if you don't need a metal shell and additional nozzles
What would constitute for a quality driver if we merely go by specs?
>>10748910220-20k hz range and low (sub 0.5%) THDaka most $20 POS
>>107489102high rigidity, low massexamples: beryllium, DLC, lithium-magnesium, carbon nanotubesnot really applicable to BAs, ESTs or planars, but there are BAs with lithium-magnesium diaphragm just to show off R&D and technical muscle
>>107489252>specs>muh berylliumthat's not specs dumbo
>>107489102THD(higher is better).
when will GK release their next bargain bin pos
>>107489264reading with comprehension is clearly not your forte>high rigidity, low masshere's your specs
>>107489417Not a spec.
>>107489417well where are rigidity and mass measurements? which are considered good? which spec sheets are they disclosed in?
>>107489520material physics>>107489497mental illness
>if it's good for construction it's good for IEM drivers LLMzo actually believes this.
>>107489564>material physicsmaterial stiffness and driver stiffness will be different. where are the measurements? who established the connection between rigidity and driver properties? where was this demonstrated?what about mass? same questionswhere are the actual specs for specific IEMs?
qrd on Bnnuy? Does the resin shell turn oxidized yellow after a year of use?
>>107489497Impulse response is obsolete, we look at the step response now. It is actually somewhat useful in multidriver pos as it clearly shows if some drivers are inverted or there are any other phase shenanigans.
>>107489612I haven't seen anybody ever mentioning that but I imagine it can happen
>no answerwhat a surprise
>>107489695sharur says the mega5-est has inverted polarity, can someone explain this to me cuz I'm a retard please, also how is he the only one to notice this on the M5E, many people have their hands on it and it seems like sharur is the only one claiming it has "inverted polarity" whatever that means
>>107489921Its not a real issue, classic case of jeets making up problems to take credit for the solution.
>>107489941yeah so sharur just engages in snakeoil/character defamation then, glad I can just block his channel and never get recommended his memes again
>>107489921Polarity is whether the driver moves forwards or backwards when you apply voltage to it. Correct polarity is when positive voltage moves the driver forwards, inverted is the opposite. Then there's relative and absolute polarity. Relative is whether two earpieces have the same polarity, if it's not it immediately sounds fucked up, you can fix it by rotating one of the 2 pins 180 degrees. Absolute polarity is the polarity of both earpieces. Surprisingly inaudible, only with asymmetrical low frequency waveforms. Fixable by rotating both 2 pins, if you care. There's an online test where you can check whether you hear a difference. Sharur complains that some IEMs have inverted polarity with stock cables, he doesn't know you can reshape earhooks. A more serious problem is when individual drivers inside an IEM have different polarities. Fix by upgrading to single driver IEMs.
>>107484677>what are the measurements>yes
>>107485050could have not wasted my time by putting some fucking info of what it is.
>>107490121>arrows, how do they work
>>107490163this retard doesnt know what quoting is.everybody point and laugh at teh noobtube
>>107490159It's the bit shitting jeet. When every bit of a track is changed by resampling and EQ the jeet calls it perfect and shits it here. Time domain is wasting your time.
>>107490163hahahaaa you probably can't even triforce newfish
>>107490180I am eternal, I have time to spare. still nice to not have to download the shit just to find out what the fuck it is.
the jeet mind cannot comprehend ffprobe either it seems
ffprobe
USD = THD = TechsIt's really that simple.>>107484677>>107489497Mental illness.
>>107485050You're mentally ill if yout think your dac is needed when PCM can go up to 32bit/768khz, with lower noise floor and cleaner signal to boot.
it's another mentally ill jeets talking about things beyond their comprehension episode
>>107490470The jeet can't comprehend listening to bits without shitting on them.
Can frequencies with gigantic spikes above 20khz cause ear damage?
>>107490698yes
>>107490698I wouldn't worry about it much, gweilo.
basstards won
>>107485449>couldn't get my voucher today cuz out of stockI regret posting this.
Reminder you can buy ear picks from Aliexpress
>>107491571that kz rep took one look at iemg and figured the gweilo are dumb enough to keep buying zenith
Supermix 4 or Crinear Daybreak?
>>107491629peq $5 shitbud to perfection why buy anything else
>>107491571>KZ admitting their recycled driver isn't specialthe real takeaway here. expect revisions to be further upgraded from edx lite driver to this. shenzhen won
>>107491571I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Kunten, is in fact, KZ/Kunten, or as I've recently taken to calling it, the KZ x GK Kunten. Kunten is not an IEM unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning KZ system made useful by the KZ driver, shell and vital acoustics components comprising a full FR as defined by Crinacle.Many IEM users listen to a modified version of the KZ system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of KZ which is widely used today is called the GK Kunten, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the KZ driver, developed by KZ.There really is a GK Kunten, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Kunten has the KZ driver: the speaker in the IEM that creates the sound. The driver is an essential part of an IEM, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete IEM. The KZ driver is normally used in combination with the KZ Zenith IEM: the whole system is basically KZ with Kunten added, or KZ x GK Kunten. All the so-called Kuntens are really KZ Kuntens!
Anyone know if there's a specific discount code for this? Just can't get it to the shown discount price.
A few months back I said that the Aries Cerat Ianus Protos was one of the best sources I've ever heard but today I heard something that rivals that. Normally more into portable sources but I dragged into hearing the Line Magnetic Line Magnetic LM-84IA, Aqua La Scala MkII Optologic DAC and Rockna Wavelight DAC.>Line Magnetic + Aqua La ScalaThe Aqua DAC is a R2R tube source so I'm doubling up on tubes here, but the end result is surprisingly neutral, albeit exceedingly sweet. Peak female poison. There's no mud / warmth to the music, it's actually as neutral as the Zahl HM1. But the stack completely mogs the Luxury Precision EA4 that I drive daily.>Line Magnetic + Rockna WavelightThe Wavelight is surprisingly dynamic and technical for a R2R. Very similar in tonality to other delta sigma dacs like the Ferrum Wandla. However it didn't sound like a huge improvement. Also the "sweetness" of the vocals is gone so the Aqua DAC is definitely most of the heavy lifting. I can see the Rockna dac being better paired with a solid state amp, Line Magnetic is not the way to go.
>>107488762it's an easy connection to make because of their hybrid configurations, I'm sure. but you absolutely should never buy that pos.>>107489695>Impulse response is obsolete>our (samefag) new grift is step response. not even worth arguing because driver quality and implementation actually sounds like it when the effort is put in + the audio calls for it..didn't we already establish the fact that you can't actually EQ physical driver behavior?
>>107489843>talking to myselfno surprise
>>107491571It's afraid
>>107490403s9 pro historically has been known to have the lowest noise floor out of pretty much any dongle>>107491571this is why KZ isn't going anywhere. they put their money where their mouths are.
>>107492132>didn't we already establish the fact that you can't actually EQ physical driver behavior?Last time I checked physical driver behavior is FR and distortion only, chatgpt couldn't find anything else that drivers can do.
>>107492051>Aqua La Scala>$4K+>less resolution than a donglewhat the FUCK are you doing here?
>>107492242>Last time I checked physical driver behavioryou literally never have and I accept your concession.
>>107492552What do you mean. I checked it just today in this very thread.
>>107492595no, dipshit, you keep conflating what you might know a little of, with something you know jack shit about. you keep proving my point with that IR cope of "zero2 eq to 500LM (of all things, you silly goose)". honestly the way (You) are this nutty about FR=everything is just a humiliation ritual
>>107492752>facts are a copeSee, this why chatgpt lost.
>I know what driver behavior is>but I won't tell you>I mean, I tried telling you but everything I knew turned out to be just FR and I don't wanna be bullied anymore
>>107492310My local dealer is selling it for $11000 SGD, where the fuck are you finding the La Scala for 4k. >what the FUCK are you doing here?Bwo I've been posting in /iemg/ since 2018
>>107492834idk what's worse, being demolished by your own "proof", or reducing every argument to 'chatgpt lost'? kind of like how you reduce FR to physical driver behavior.
>>107492921Calling a measurement fake and thinking you won is definitely worse.
>>107492051>Line Magnetic LM-84IA>S/N ratio: 87dBWouldn't there be audible hiss with IEMs?
>>107492946Not if you're old enough.
>>107492010never buy these. you can't trust that it isn't 100% chance of crap
>>107492946I demoed using storm which is quite insensitive, no noise. But it also could be that the speaker tap cable had a voltage divider tacked on top of it.
>>107492921>reduce FR to physical driver behavior.reduce driver physical driver behavior to FR***
>>107492943I won as soon as you posted that dumbass picture lol. you keep pretending it's some sort of techs kryptonite, when really you simply are the best cope artist in this hobby.
>>107493032"If you kill yourself you win" ahh argument.
>>107493032>you simply are the bestI know.
any DAPs out there that aren't the size of my huge ass phone and I can make playlists on the go? and w/ bluetooth too
He doesn't even know he traumatized a man for life with this comment.
>solves audio
>>107493607>breaks after first use
measurement for techs?
>>107493853Just check the IR. If it's just a single positive swing, the techs are bound to be meh.
Winning with sound, born for battle. Listen carefully, that's the sound of victory. Moondrop x AG co-branded e-sports gaming headset, stay tuned!
>>107494140>headpos bass>thick and high shell >+5dB/oct + FF
>>107494140Coomdrop won
>>107491571
>>107493853THD is the only reliable metric. Otherwise high THD pos wouldn't cost over $50
>>107493285shanling up6
>>107493116trudeaubros... our response?
>>107493962That's why speakers are the best.
if I eq'd two different 10mm DD pos with the same sensitivity and impedance to the same target, would they sound different?
>>107494966yes because of resolution
>>107494973I guess it depends on a higher quality, better-made and implemented components? seems like the only thing that makes sound, sound good. can't think of anything else since eq is free, but yeah..it makes sense lol
>>107494973>>107495221https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/myths-misconceptions/
>>107495238so what's the point in an ru7 dongle or even tube amps when you can just eq what they're doing to the goddamn pos anyway lmfaooo
>>107495238holy never been read
>>107489102The faceplate.
Erm my 1 week old IEMs are suddenly a lot more responsive to bass than they were when they were new? I didn't touch the EQ. Is break-in actually real? Same DAC, nothing has changed.
>>107495343all that that boils down to is AES/Sean Olive?Harman research orthodoxy. you ask for citations, xhe'll send you Sean Olive journals that are like 95% non-peer-reviewed. xhe still doesn't understand what xhe's seemingly pious over. can't square that circle, simple as
>>107495481The speed of sound isn't a perfect constant, it's just that this week it's hitting the sweet spot.
>>107495502... Hmm... I did just have a massive rise in atmospheric pressure overnight.
>>107495481Could also be filter clogging. My Origin is now very bassy.
>>1074954971 measurement
>>107495550inb4 xhe quotes that paper with 16% thd
just got the bunny and the sound isolation is considerably worse than on my chu 2. is it just the difference between a plastic vs metal shell or am i doing something wrong here? bass is being reproduced properly so i guess that means it's creating a seal
>>107493962hows the techs on this blue IEM?
>>107495550>1 measurementyou're talking in circles already? we’ve already followed your logic further than you have at this point and nobody's buying what you're spewing. I'll email both Toole AND Olive about you and see what they think of your particular situation lol.
>>1074956951 measurement.
>>107495683>swings negative firstUhh... that's not good.
>>107495677its just the plastic build leaks more sound, the seams/tolerances on the bunny are not perfect
>>107495727wait what why? i just ordered this IEM a few days ago and it's on its way still, should i just send it back immediately and get something else? (M5E)
>>107495683really good or really bad, depends on what you tell me
>>107495727>swings negative firstpolarity doesn't matter in these measurements. every pos measurement you see flips polarity randomly. half the graphs swing positive first, half swing negative first. nobody cares because it’s irrelevant.
>>107495774>M5Eholy shit you got got lmao
>>1074957052 genders.
>>107495865bro he got you, you don't have to reply like this hang it up bud, you'll get em next time
>>107495863whats wrong with the M5E?
>>107495728a shame, but i guess it will be still worth it if i don't get the moisture/clogging problems i had with the chu 2. i had just ran out of spare filters too.
>>107495238>In fact, FR measurements are all done by first finding the IR of the IEM, then doing the Fourier transform of it to obtain the FR.>t. never measured any IEMit's a clear sine sweep across the audible band that's the de facto standard in measuring FRno one ever measures IR first and converts it into FR except maybe shartman
>>107495886oh no, I'm already formulating an email to Sean Olive. no bullshit. the question still stands, how can you take a troon seriously when they're this obsessed with eq, and still get it wrong?
>>107495985>no one ever measures IR firstthis is what made me scratch my head...first I ever heard anybody mentioning having to "find IR first, then doing a Fourier transform of it to obtain the FR". not once
Should i buy a mystery box where there is a 80% chance to get tips
>>107496038noooo dont fall for it bro
>>107495945>he doesn't know
>>107496047but the 20% chance to get iems....
>>107495985>>107496017>still don't know how FR measurements are obtained>in 2025cmon bros it's been decades at this point
>>107496128I stopped when I found out I can't measure at the eardrum, so HRTFS are out the window for me. I can't listen correctly and it makes me sad
>>107496166those people with absolute pitch are truly blessed being able to just extract precise frequencies in erratic regions and EQ them directly at their eardrums, in my and most people's case there always will be the missing link between hearing and EQing that will make it just impossible
>>107496218only attained through Harman's How Not To Listen software.
>>107496291literal malware
>>107495287clipping. amps are only useful for EQing
>>107496218chink deafmans are easy, just lower treble until ears stop hurting. it's so bad (for someone without hearing loss) that you barely need peq. a fucking "treble" slider will suffice to save your hearing
>>107493607>absolute dogshit cable
>>107492752only peqdb jeets say this, they're not real eqtards
holy shit, hesuvi + impulcifier
>chuzo IILet it be known that Chuzo the Second was born on December 9th.
>>107497164I'm surprised how long I my Chu is in use throughout my maining rotation. I'm currently maining it for probably the past month, it's still enjoyable
>>107494966>to the same targetand how are you going to do that?
>>107495287what's the point in snake oil?
>>107495497such a retarded shit to say>Harman research orthodoxyas opposed to what? your delusions with 0 research?you don't even have any criticism of harman research cause you failed to read any of italso answer to this>all that that boils down to is AES/Sean Olive?is no
>>107496218>those people with absolute pitch are truly blessed being able to just extract precise frequencies in erratic regions and EQ them directly at their eardrumsthat's literally not a thing
I want to move from a headset to earbuds and a desk mic for all my general trash taste listening and vidya at my desk.I don't really have a budget but I'd rather not spend hundreds, priority would be servicability I suppose as my last set of good headphones offered service parts and they saved my ass a few times.Any suggestions?
chinks + harman = hearing loss
>>107497523>Kefine KleanSmall, well built, nice sound, and they sell a nozzle replacement kit
>>107497259>the answer to this>all that that boils down to is AES/Sean Olive>is nothat wasn't a question, it was a statement. typical strawman on your part.
>>107496128My knowledge is that usually a logarithmic chirp signal is used as stimulus, from the response the FR can be calculated without calculating the IR as an in-between, though it can also be done that way. Idk about the implementations in common measurement software, REW and the AP software aren't open source, is there documentation on how exactly they implement it?
>>107497683read the paper (farina 2000), all modern methods will use some method of cross correlation between stimulus and recorded response to get the impulse response. look into dual fftswept sine is just better because you also get harmonic distortion products, and it's not a pain in the ass to use
>>107497523>servicabilityjust buy new edc pro for $0 every time
>>107497566well then it's WRONGand you are retarded
>>107497886how am I wrong?
So the consensus seems to be that the Divine/Diablos are overpriced?
>>107491571>proprietary acoustic chamberWhat the fuck is that?
>>107497987Yeah, good tuning, buf crinigger already burned manh of us with shit in the past, cant say imma pay a premium for his name
>>107497993just their implementation of acoustic pathways. GK Kunten doesn't have all this, that's why it's that much cheaper.
Does 3.5mm iem with built in dac exist? Or is it all usbc ones?
>>107498148the cables with a built-in dac are only for usb-c
>insertion depth variation>no seal no bass>earwax buildup>moisture buildup>goes bald anywayit's time to convert to hpg superiority
>>107498060it's literally the exact same pos lmao
>>107498226i agree but i'll never go bald so headphones have no hair loss effect on me
>>107497879you also save money this way on the most expensive part: the cable
>>107498249it's literally not. same driver, different shell/implementation
>>107498315source: KZ's facebook post just trust them bro
one in each ear
>>107496038>>107496076will the chink behind this honor these odds?[final_jeopardy_jingle.wav]
Xixtas... our tots on OWS??
>>107498387>>>/g/hpg
>>107498405How is this related to hpg??
>>107498387I had the moondrop pill and it stopped charging from the case, same with mino. Wonder if the chinks have figured it out yet.
>>107498322source: look at the photos.
>>107498421if it's outside the ear it's just headpos
>>107497956you are wrong that it boils down to AES and harman. Audio research spans literal decades
IEM users when ear has water inside what do you do eg. after dunking head into water
>>107498226there's no good headpos to buy anywayand all the cheaper ones are destroyed by $20 ($0) IEMs
>>107498640nothing
Just got jm6 pro for $1. Didn't go for the pricier dongles since I hear they overheat.
>>107498687dacs dont overheat lmao
>>107498639no, I'm not wrong saying citations for dumbass eqguide are AES/Sean Olive papers. ask the "author" for the citations.
>eq like an autist>completely ignores the monitor's color calibrationhow do you call this phenomenon
>>107499257are you just practicing your english or something?
>>107499267filipino nigga, it's not my fault that you can't understand a simple sentence
do I upgrade my APP3 firmware? it's currently on 8A357. i'm reading conflicting stuff about the new firmware. some are saying it removes all the bass. others are saying it tames the highs. does anyone here actually know what the fuck theyre talking about? currently the bass is perfect but the highs are a bit too shouty for sure.
gonna plug ru7 and 2 microsds into this
Should I get an NW-ZX300? I've been using my NW-A55 for years, and it's still great, but I spotted a second-hand 300 at a reasonable price and am considering it. Am I just consuming for the sake of it, or are there enough upsides to justify the purchase?
>>107499898honestly no, it's not android so it'll always be missing something. you're better off with a dogshit phone with shanling up6
>>107499257>EQ: +15dB treble +15dB bass>Monitor: +100 saturation +100 contrastyep, it's kz time
>>107500059>it's not android so it'll always be missing somethingIs this bait? 'cause that's the whole point.
>>107500105oh this is a zoomoid selfcontrol thing, carry on. for functioning adults, having a general purpose OS is ideal
>>107495865Post the measurement or stop pretending techs are in the measurement. Those are the only possible genders.
OK, is there anyone not on medication who can offer an opinion?
>>107500357me here
>>107500357does caffeine and weed count then me
>>107500342accepted your concession already, now you're repeating yourself again. you're like a baby with this hobby
>stil hasn't posted a single measurement after months
>>1075004021 measurement.
what is this 1 measurement nigga why is he demanding 1 measurement all the time so weird bro
>>107500618he's asking for 1 measurement, or anything that would point to techs existingafter months, nothing
>>107500642get a job nigga maybe then you can get yo 1 measurement
>>107500676keep dodging, we'll be waiting
>>107500676It's the job of the guy that claimed techs are in the measurements, and he really sucks at it.
>>107500402>accepted your concessionwhat is this mental illness? so instead of at least trying to argue your dumbass position or shitting out chatGPT drivel you'll be playing muh concession game? pathetic fuckyour every argument was destroyed with measurements. you can not provide any counter arguments. you were getting destroyed so fucking hard you needed chatGPT for support... obviously that one didn't help
>>107500642That's month after he did try naming some measurements, and got BTFO so hard the word CSD gives him PTSD.
this all started after cringeacle said the lm was mid btwstill stuck on that comment 2 years later
>>107500756*months
now wait until he posts the "chatgpt won" or "techs won" lol
switched from my $80 hexas back to my $20 tin hifi c2s after about two yearsthe treble sounds slightly grainier, but the fact it doesn't have unfixable, limp-dicked bass more than makes up for thatI should have never "upgraded"
chatgpt won>captcha BASEDRN
>>107498226>insertion depth variationPositional variation on headpos is much worse.>no seal no bassUniversal.>moisture buildupSweaty earpads.
I'm looking for a pair of IEMs that I can get molded into earplugs. I want to use them with my motorcycle because my Cardo speakers + earplugs are fine for music but on long trips I want to listen to audiobooks. Can some someone help me find IEMe that are>Very low profile, if they stick out too much they won't stay in my ears when I put my helmet on>Not crazy expensive, less than $100 AUD if possible but I can stretch the budget>Use connectors so I can remove the cable and replace if needed.
>>107500899etymotic for isolation, or aful magicone if they don't stick out too muchvery hard to give you options, and ones that get "molded into earplugs" sound like custom IEMs, which cost way more than $2USD/$100AUS
>>107500795I switched from p50 back to q1 pro after 1 day because the wind is much louder on p50.
are there any actual measurements for length modes of real people out there? in general (or on average) how wide are they usually?
>>107500995depends on what race you are
>>107501013I'd like to see any data if it exists
>>107500995https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/how-to-eq/eq-refinement/#iem-and-canal-interactionsand look at the new etienne paper, more detail there too. the audioxpress paper on ear canal influence on measured response might also be interestingwhat you're looking for is the transfer function of the ear canal, there are other papers out there on simulating or characterizing the transfer function, but ideally you should look into databases that have blocked ear canal measurements and corresponding full hrtf measurements and find the tf on your own>>107501033a paper was published this year and showed that ear geometry changes based on ethnicity and age
>>107500803trvke
The elephant in the room is we can't actually derive a "good" sounding target from our HRTF measurements. Even in the binaural study that should have been a slam dunk people preferred HRTF of ku100 to their own HRTF. You need to use your ears if you want good sound.
>>107498640I usually tilt my head to side and shake my head as if I want to force the water out (not vigorously). If that doesn't work I use my palm/tragus to act like plunger then shake my head again. My last resort is using cotton buds to absorb the water, but cotton buds are not recommended for people with clumsy hands.
>>107501243my elephant in the room take is that music is so inconsistent in terms of small grain details that it's not worth fussing too much about similar small grain details in most IEMs
>>107500923My wife is an audiologist and one of the custom molded earplug companies offer a service where they will imbed an IEM of your choice.
>>107501183thanks
>>107501291depending on how they do it, these earplugs will not create a flush fit with your ear as they extend the IEM body by a decent bitidk what it will look like on your end, but be mindful of thishttps://youtu.be/AkJM_XPvYrQ?t=267
>>107501243>The elephant in the room is we can't actually derive a "good" sounding target from our HRTF measurements.that's kinda true but having at least some understanding of what your HRTF is like is still helpful. It's just that such information is hard to acquire and use with our current understanding and tools.>Even in the binaural study that should have been a slam dunk people preferred HRTF of ku100 to their own HRTF. as pointed out in their article their HRTF measurements might not have been the best and with increased accuracy results might differ. but it was a very interesting study yeah
Moondrop Darksaber, dusk shell with top pro internals
etymotic research er2se or er2xr?
>>107500923theyre not expensive at all, i paid €60 for custom otoplastics
>>107501600XR for fun bass
>>107501652i dont like too much bass though, its just that they dont sell the er2se herei can get the es2xr for €70
>>107501749the XR hardly has too much bass
>>107501749get xr and just EQ bass then
>buy s12 pro cause they say it's very eq-able>try eq-ing it>everything sounds the same only the volume is lowerIs EQ a meme?
>>107501763show your EQ
>>107501756thats exactly what i was wondering, does it really matter that little?picrel suggests a pretty big difference>>107501758>just fix it in postnah, eq belongs in the studio
>>107501749>too much bassit's BA pos wtf are you even talking about
>>107501894ER2 has DD
What would you do if the output jack is too far away? My PC sits arm lengths away is it ideal to use M-F 3.5 audio extension cable. Or spend a bit more on a USB DAC with longer usb cable?
>>107500803You cant get a 7 letter captcha liar
>>107501945Ideally get the dac closer to you with a usb extension cable but a 3.5mm works too even if its theoretically worse.
>>107501945DAC of course. you can even get one with bluetooth
>>107501945doesnt matter, both solutions work finedont waste money, either get a longer usb cable (usb spec officially supports up to 3m) or just extend your phone connector cablea conductor is a conductor, the difference in resistance is meaningless
>>107501809>nah, eq belongs in the studioit's 1 simple shelf don't be a fag
>>107501945>Or spend a bit more on a USB DAC with longer usb cablethis
for 30€, is there anything that can compete?
after reading the eq guide i decided to sell all my pos except one wired and one wirelessthe shit is just not worth it beyond portability and anyone saying otherwise are pretending behalf on their own lies they want to believe
>>107502088>ancwhat
>>107502373>after reading the eq guide i decided to sell all my pos except one wired and one wirelesselaborate?
>>107502447this is an inherently retarded way to 'enjoy' music
>>107502469no but what was written in EQ guide to trigger you?
>>107502476the reasons of why you must EQ
>>107502482everything requires EQ even speakers. Reasons to EQ IEMs aren't worse than reasons to EQ anything else.
>>107502489>arent worseyou clearly didnt read the guidethe inherent mismatch and bypassing of HRTF and varying canal resonance of blockage is significantly worse that ones of speakers
>>107502446yes, got real anc but not very good anc
>>107502574bruh that is beam forming 'call noise reduction' intentionally misadvertised as an 'ANC'
>>107502494speakers have it's own caveats with room reflections and shit >bypassing of HRTFthat's a problem with both headphones and IEMs. IEMs are tuned to counter that a bit. As somebody said above tuning to HRTF doesn't guarantee matching to preference so it's a moot point really.>varying canal resonancethat's not really a big problem and can be EQed rather easily which becomes even easier with more experience>speakersif you have speakers you literally can EQ your IEMs to them but obviously using good speakers in a treated room is ideal. For music.Not for gaming tho
>>107502582call noise reduction is a separate featurethey are actually talking about real ANC
>>107502619oh wow they actually did thatwhy have you brought the wrong page of the product description lol
>>107502632I just picked the first thing that had noise cancelling in the title and a pretty picture
see ya guys, I'm out, I just heard my endgame for the first time and I'm finally at peace :') it's been a real one lads, enjoy life and the music it gives <3
>>107502885..which one tho???
>>107502927M5E
>>107503052I should add; with Spinfit W1 Medium size & powered via Questyle M15i on Standard Gain.Everyone who said this IEM sounded like shit either got QC'ed or just listened to trash music because M5E does nothing special over something like my Tea Pro when comparing a phonk song. But when listening to quality mastered music with sovl like Ashes by Celine Dion or Hotel California (HFO) it just oozes that soul and it just feels right, the tonality is very organic, feels like touching tree bark. Everything else sounds synthetic now :/
Why are most DAPs so expensive?
>>107500895>Positional variation on headpos is much worse.Not true for big planars>Sweaty earpads.Genes issue
>>107503993>Universal.dumbfuck
>>107503986so you can buy a dongle amp and connect it to a $20 ebay phone
20 buck GK DAP when
I feel like micro planars have ruined treble for a lot of newbies. There's something about them that is so much more grating than a chart indicates and is completely different from a Balanced Armature set that graphs similarly.
>>107504777>I feelCare to post the tech measurements?
>>107504777wow if only there's a way to reduce treble on chink earrapes
>>107505076
donglechads, we won
lost my sansa clip, must have used it for 15 years. what the physically smallest out of rec'd players?
>>107500756>just eq the IR! look at the FR, it's smooth now!! lmfao>>107500753>your every argument was destroyed with measurementsliteral LLM destroys your misunderstanding every time. a new page is turned for us, and we get to see this hobby in a new light.. at least /iemg/ learns something new when your dogma gets demolished.I'm not going away, but your tripe is on its way out. simple as. >>107501183>papernon-peer-reviewed just like everything that "cites" the eqguide. holy shit what a larp/grift this is for you.
>>1075056031 measurement.
>>107505653here's your problem. you weren't aware of csd plots until I told you. even then it wasn't enough for you. you didn't understand then, and to reinforce your own perspective, you doubled down. that's pure dogma. but it's more ammo for me and the rest of us, so please. triple down.
it's out
>>107505720>you weren't aware of csd plots until I told youdelusional and debunked, but you can't read so why botherinstead, here's what gpt says about csd plots:CSD plots inflate trivial minimum-phase decay into faux “ringing drama.” In a sealed IEM or headphone, magnitude and phase are locked. Any narrow peak in the FR yields a predictable energy tail in the time domain. The CSD is just re-drawing the same information with a dramatic perspective grid. Nothing new is revealed.The waterfall exaggeration comes from windowing and scaling choices. Shallow windows smear time. High dynamic-range plots highlight micro-decays that sit far below audibility. Changing FFT size, slice spacing, or floor level reshapes the “rings” without touching the underlying device. Most visual differences are artifacts of parameter tuning, not acoustic performance.In a minimum-phase system, the true physical behavior is already encoded in the FR. If a resonance matters perceptually, it appears as a peak or dip in the magnitude plot. If the FR is clean, the system’s time decay is inherently clean. CSD adds no independent diagnostic value.Non-minimum-phase environments—room-loaded speakers—can exhibit excess group delay and stored energy not predictable from FR alone. CSD can surface that because reflections and modal behavior break the minimum-phase link. IEMs do not. For them, CSD is redundant visualization with high susceptibility to misinterpretation.
You'd first have to prove that God exists before you could prove the existence of techs so why won't you?
>>107505746what was your prompt? lol
>>107505782>atheism in the big 25really nigga?
>>107505783discuss the use of csd plots for evaluating IEMs
>>107505782such a weird angle to take when foxzo/jannie/eqguidefucker is the pious one in all this. also, reply directly you nutjob
>>107505801pretty cool. I'm not aware of the particular software, but I know simulations are also run of waveforms flowing throughout the shell/nozzle and them manufacturing based off that.
>>107505782Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma are real and their existence are proven
stop being such a bitch and deep insert your iems fool
>>107505827multiphysics simulations on iems is pretty dumb and are mostly for decorative marketing picseverything engineering decision will lead to changes in fr, thd, sensitivity, and impedance. nothing else
>>107505869
Why shouldn't I get the ME600?
