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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU
Gaming: 14600K, 9/7600X, 7800X3D
-Budget: 12400, 12600K, 7500F
Workstation: 265K, 285K, 9950X3D

*Avoid Asrock motherboards on AM5
*On Raptor Lake microcode updates should be considered mandatory, avoid second-hand
*Prices have increased for Raptor Lake processors, only worth considering if discounted or if reusing DDR4. New DDR5 builds should be AM5 or LGA1851

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Lian Li Galahad II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-7, MX-4, Duronaut, *PTM 7950, Kryosheet
*Most listings online are not actually 7950

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AM5), 6400CL32 (LGA 1700)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget.), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt
-Used: 2080, 2080ti
*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080p
Midrange: 5060ti 16GB, 9070, 5070
-Used: 3080, 3080ti, 4070 (~$380)
4k : 5070ti, 9070xt
-Native/High-end: 5090

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: 24" 165/180hz, KTC H25X7
1440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), ASUS XG27AQWMG (WOLED)
4K: KTC M27P6 (miniLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Previous: >>107804129
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first for clean the switch
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mE2GoL6T2A

do we rike it?
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>>107807912
>superglued coils
back when companies cared for the consumer
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>>107807948
if it's that easy of a fix why dont people just do it themselves?
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>>107807975
if you dont live in the US you void your warranty
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>>107807981
if the coil whine is untenable the choice is still clear. Basically unusable vs usable but no warranty? If the card doesn't fail in the first 3 months odds are it will run for 10 years anyway so just wait a brief period and then do it. Bathtub curve ftw.
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>>107807975
It requires a precise glue that doesn't melt under high temps and seep into your pcie slot.
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>>107807948
Noticed that too
Some retard here will probably say it's a bad thing tho

>>107807975
Most dont want to take apart a GPU period
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they call it the 9850x3d because that extra 3% performance will cost an extra $50

>>107807994
so buy it then
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man i really cant believe we have to wait until late 2026 for nova lake and ryzen 6
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>>107807947
Even though fish-tank cases aren't my thing, I appreciate companies like this still trying new things and paying attention to detail fine details like this with the woven mesh fan covers and slip-molds to hold the securing-screws for the PCIe rear mounts.
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>>107808032
nova lake was delayed
enjoy arrow lake refresh chud
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>>107807912
The OP's PSU list doesn't list Seasonic- which I thought was a solid PSU brand. I've had one EVGA and several Corsairs. I need a new 850 and heard the Seasonic higher end ones were great with stable voltage and dealing with transients. Thoughts?
Or, I might just grab a Corsair RM850x
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>>107807947
not watching your youtube video with a tracking link
this is an imageboard, poast an image of the case
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>>107808076
I chose Seasonic 1000w for my build, Grok also told me its good. But im waiting for it to arrive
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>>107808076
Seasonic is still great, the OP is not comprehensive. If you want a more comprehensive PSU Tier List see this (last updated 12/25/25):
https://zttbuilds.com/pages/psu-tier-list
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?gid=1719706335#gid=1719706335
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>>107808091
>Grok also told me its good.
kills my soul every time someone shamelessly admits listening to ai hallucinations for advice. I used to think it was a meme, now im starting to worry people are being sincere....
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>>107807947
Good attention to details. It makes for a clean build. At least if you have a reverse connection motherboard.
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So am I a dumbass for running in preset M and quality mode? It uses more overhead, but I still hit my FPS target. Is there less ghosting and artifacts?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMp3zP

Fr*nch here, I slapped this shit together back in 22 for some gaming
I've been thinking of upgrading for a long time
Do I need to sell a kidney to get some quality ?
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>>107808154
>I've been thinking of upgrading for a long time
Why? Is the performance lackluster or are you just having consoomer urges for the sake of it?
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>>107808127
zoomies practicants at my workplace rely on grug instead of google, books or asking a superior and they are mechanical engineering students ffs
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>>107808127
im not ashamed. Grok has been extremely helpful in researching and picking parts for my build. I enjoyed our conversations very much. Cant wait for the moment we can put that AI brain in human-like androids
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So when will we get a case with a hologram display so we can have miku cheer us on while we play
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>>107808154
5070 ti would be a reasonable upgrade over 3080
am5 is mega expensive so you might want to look at 32gb ddr4 ram instead + the gpu
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>>107808167
>>107808166
i choose to believe you're shitposting, this level of retardation is incomprehensible to me. I won't lose my faith in humanity that easily, nice try jewish demoralization agents..
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>>107808127
@grok put this anon in a micro bikini
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so ANY news from CES other than "AI AI AI"?
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>>107808088
Here you go, schizo abe.
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>>107808076
OP caters to poorfags
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>>107808154
>Do I need to sell a kidney to get some quality ?
no just the 5800X3D lmao
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>>107808188
well obviously with sam altman situation no one can sell ddr5 ram products, or stuff that uses same factories

some finnish company invented solid state batteries so thats something if you want to invest money into a new venture
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>>107808076
OP is outdated because some faggot was fucking with it for like 2 months, making it impossible to have a consistent one.
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>>107808179
what do you think they mean when they write articles about "50% of all start ups use ai; 30% of all companys use ai"
They talk about coopilot and grug for text translation, google tasks and chatgpt for in house meme image production
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>>107808160
No, I'd just like to try the newer game that came out without running them at low quality
Also the small ssd wasn't a good choice, can't install any big games on it anymore
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>>107808211
i think they're jewish articles full of lies written by jews just to try to make me give up. I'm not giving up.
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A++??? SOLD

ANOTHER HIT FROM HAVN
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>>107808179
Its just a fancier version of google. Dont see anything bad in using it for quick research now and then
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>>107808233
you can't verify any of the information it gives you because it's an amorphous information slurry that regularly gets details wrong. On the small chance you're not shitposting and you're actually underaged, you should not be using it. Please. Learn to do real research, it's a valuable life skill...
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>>107808179
>muh jews
nick was right about you retards, holy fuck not everything is about israel or jews
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>>107808231
Cool design, desu.
Shame PSUs are to be neither seen nor heard.
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>>107808154
I would at least rent out a kidney and get 32gb of ram. And, if a 250gb is all the storage you have, I would get a 2tb in addition. If that 3080 is running your games fine, I would stick with it. You only upgrade if you're having performance issues in what you want to do.
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>>107808261
Seasonic owners make sure of it tho
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>>107808193
>knobs sticking out the bottom
nope
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>>107808238
>>you can't verify any of the information it gives you
You can if you want, you can fact check. Just like any secondary source material. What it does is narrows down the subject or makes a summary. Doesnt mean you need to shut down critical thinking and look at AI as god. But you also cant dismiss all the positives it brings
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i bet if i asked ai about a known dog shit psu it would still say it's good because ai is a worthless affirming yesman.
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>>107807947
>>107808193
Wait, are all those knobs just for rgb control?
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>>107808287
No one does that though. They use ai as a substitute for research, otherwise why would they use it at all? Lawyers have been caught using ai citing cases that don't even exist, citing sources that don't back up the ai's claims at all but of course they didn't check. AI is commercialized brainrot, and i can't wait for it to be banned.
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Is it worth upgrading my 5600X to a newer AM4 CPU if I'm too lazy to swap out my ancient motherboard or should I jump to AM5?
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what brand makes the best memory because I do not believe it is corsair or that it doesn't matter
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>>107808351
corsair doesn't produce memory
hynix makes the best DDR5
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>>107808338
Internet and digital technology in general make people lazy and dumber. It will only get worse. We need a reset button and a new world order
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>>107808357
i miss when samsung made the best...
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>>107808365
>this post
...then im expected to believe >>107808256
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>>107808357
I'm not talking about modules
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Opinion on prebuilts?
I guess they skimp on GPU, but separate GPU seems pretty damn expensive and even integrated GPU would be an upgrade to 940MX...
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>>107808369
samsung was a one-hit wonder on DDR4
B-die was the best
the rest of their lineup was utter dogshit
>>107808377
doesn't matter at all then, you can believe whatever you want to believe
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got myself a cheapo AM4 build, but unfortunately it's 2x4GB of DDR4, so ideally i'd get another 2x4GB used set
how's the situation with 4 DDR4 sticks on B450 + Zen2 in current year? it's B450 A-PRO Max if that helps. i don't really need overclocking, just XMP at 3000/3200 would be fine
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I was testing Resident Evil 4 Remake on my 9070 XT and the memory was at 88C, is this the power of RDNA4 ?
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>>107808389
wow that's pretty cool for radeon not even in the 90s
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>>107808383
>samsung was a one-hit wonder on DDR4
I remember Samsung explicitly overclocking the best on gddr5 gpus, unless im hallucinating?
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>turning off your computer for a long time might mean the memory needs retraining
jfc
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>>107808382
If they're cheap, they're not a bad option.
Yeah, it sucks. But, a prebuilt PC is better than no PC.

If you really want to game it, buy a prebuilt and sell off the parts you don't want and swap in parts you do. But, good luck if anything breaks.
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>>107808340
It depends on your budget honestly. AM5 is worth it depending on the CPU you choose but if can't fork out money for CPU+Motherboard+potentially more, better stick to AM4 where you could get a more powerful CPU with the money instead.
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>>107808384
>how's the situation with 4 DDR4 sticks on B450 + Zen2 in current year?
it's fine, zen 2 has a good IMC
you can do 24 GB with 4+8+4+8 without losing performance
would probably be easier to find desu
>>107808406
maybe, but memory overclocking on GPUs is so limited that it doesn't really matter what you get
you can adjust one slider by +-15% and hope for the best
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>>107808431
>it's fine, zen 2 has a good IMC
sorry i meant Zen+, cpu is Ryzen 2600
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>>107808431
>maybe, but memory overclocking on GPUs is so limited that it doesn't really matter what you get
it was notable that Micron basically had no headroom in comparison and also ran hotter at the time. These seem like things that matter. I don't remember if people were even getting Hynix with there 1080 ti's or if it was just Samsung and Micron though.
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>>107808382
Ones ive seen are either overpriced or cheap out on some of the parts/cases/wiring, most prebuilts you cant even see what exact part is being used. For my build I used a shop that has a similar to pc part picker design where they give you some build options and you can configure/tune them to your liking, then they assemble it together
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>>107808408
>turning off your
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>>107808408
with AMD Ryzen(tm) you get to experience the magic of memory training on every boot.
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>>107808340
What serious issues are you having with the 5600x? If you're not having any, don't change for the sake of change. This is not the time to invest in a new platform. At most, see if you can score a 5700x3d if you need a boost in gaming.
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What GPU should I get if I hugged a girl in 7th grade about 18 years ago but haven't even touched a female since then?
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>>107808483
The miku 5080
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>>107808483
one that supports vr and maybe someday it will happen to you again
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>>107808485
Thank you.
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>>107808440
that's a lot more finicky, just get some 2x16 kit, should not be crazy expensive even in the current market
even that might not work at 3200
>>107808441
yeah sure
i think my RX 590 had hynix, never tried overclocking that thing though
i know you could do fun stuff back in those days like BIOS mods with tightened memory timings
>>107808471
to skip memory training on every boot
intel: enable MRC fast boot
ryzen: enable memory context restore
it's the same on both platforms
you people are just a little retarded, no offense, try asking grok if you need advice in the future
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>>107808474
I'm planning on upgrading my GPU and feel like it would hold me back especially because I'm still using 1080p
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is there a way to check if dlss4.5 is even running?
I enabled it in the app but can't the tell if it's running.
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>>107808493
>power of a 4080tis
>price of a 4090
>but migu
hmm...
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>>107808495
>calls other people retarded
>bought poolaris
Wtf
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>>107808534
i only buy AMD GPUs for linux
back in those days NVIDIA actually had the performance advantage on linux but AMD was still worth it because the experience of actually using the damn thing was so much better
windows didn't lag behind two seconds when dragging, Xorg didn't randomly fail with an ABI mismatch every month, freesync worked reliably, etc
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>>107808523
Jensen has successfully gone full circle back to native with dlss 4.5. No quality loss or fps gains. Praise nvidia.
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Installed RTX 577.00 for my RTX5070.
Also bare minimum driver plus control panel.

Didn't even know there were presets for each DLSS mode.

Do you only get that with the Nvidia app?
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Bros, which 9070 XT model should I go with?
Sapphire Nitro+, PowerColor Red Devil, or XFX Mercury?
I was leaning toward the Nitro+, but the 12VHPWR connector has me reconsidering.
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>>107808568
powercolor
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>>107808568
5070Ti.
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>>107808568
5080
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>>107808559
you can use optiscaler to change to presets in real time
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>>107808568
Mercury
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>>107808506
The 3080 is still fine for 1440p. But, if you have to upgrade, 5070 ti or 9070 xt.
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>>107808495
current used market is fucked there and it feels too bad spending money on used RAM
i don't need 32GB, it's a secondary PC with no gayming so 16 is fine.
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>>107808619
Hm, okay.

Not that it matters, I will stay with 577.00 as long as possible anyways.
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>>107808649
get 2x8 then, you can try combining it with the 4GB sticks but i have my doubts, worst case you still have 16GB
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>>107808568
Avoid any of the underclocked cards, they're cheap and pretty crap across the board.
Taichi is nice.
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>>107808671
>underclocked
lol, this again
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KEK AMD VICEPRESIDENT SAID FSR 5 WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED ON RDNA 4
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>>107808685
>undercucked
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>>107808708
IT'S OKAY

O-O-OPTISCALER!

AND UMMMM

UHHHH LOSSLESS SCALING!

THE 9070XT WILL NOT BE IN MAINTENANCE MODE
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Guys I built a new PC about 5 months ago, everything was cash until month 2 or so when GPU started black screening and dropping out of device manager with full fan speed. It was happening ondce a month but now it's like 4 times a day after multiple drivers have been tested and two windows reinstalls. iGPU works normally and this shit happens in idle and under load. Is it a ded gpu? PSU is high quality and more than enough. Cables are fine too. It's a 5070Ti Trio by MSI if that matters.
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>>107808685
>The base clock is below what others offer.
>This somehow isn't an underclock.
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Are PWM fans worth the price premium over DC fans + analog controller? It's almost 2x in the case of the cheapest 200mms (15 vs 30 dollars for Thermaltakes). And don't PWMs have an annoying desync noise to them sometimes?
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>>107808523
You can use dlss tweaker or use the nvidia app overlay pess ctrl z on game, statistics > static view> dlss
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>>107808743
Fans probably suck. And the price of buying decent fans for them likely makes it more worthwhile to just buy a Peerless Assassin.
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>>107808720
Make sure GPU seated in PCIe and also cables are fully inserted

>>107808731
Yes
Good pwm have tweaked fins to reduce noise and sympathetic vibration
Push pull any situation you should have one fan slightly slower so they don't amplifier
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>>107808725
>amd is mentioned much less than nvidia
>this is because AMD is being shilled hard bro
Very happy with my 9070, i was very dissatisfied with my last nvidia card, the 2080ti
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>>107808751
>Make sure GPU seated in PCIe and also cables are fully inserted
Did so, with and without antisag nub + reseated it several times, cleaned the connectors, blew the dust out just in case... At first I thought it was Win updates causing it but like I said the frequency kept increasing leading me to believe it is a dying gpu... Temps and are very good too and no crazy voltage spikes so IDK.
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Does using XMP reduce the lifespan of DDR5 memory
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>>107808725
it even more over now check this >>107808708
imagine being an idiot with an rnda 4 card lmao
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>>107808384
If it would be Ryzen 1000 I would have be concerned. But Ryzen 3000 and B450 you should have no problem running 4 sticks. In fact if you find a 16gb kit for a resonable price instead of another 2x4gb you may even go for 24gb ram mixed. It should run stably at those ram speeds.
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>>107808731
>DC fans + analog controller
grandpa shit
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I got my Zotac 5070 ti today and it has coil whine. Tried undervolting - didn't work. Ordered a different PSU, since the other recently bought one seems to cause all GPUs to have coil whine.
If that doesn't work out, I'm returning both and buy another one. Maybe just an unlucky model.
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>>107808850
I mean, it IS zotac...
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>>107808801
It's cheap and it works if you have one
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>>107808792
higher voltage = less lifespan
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>ddr5 has a problem
>since it increased volts that increased temps and thats a problem since dram doesnt have dedicated fans
>wow what a breakthrough

uhhh...
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Should I buy a Phantom Spirit while its still at $66 for later and replace my Hyper 212?
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>>107808568
I had the same opinion, but Path of Exile 2 is optimized like crap for AMD cards so far and FSR is so much worse than DLSS.

Gotten a Zotac 5070 ti, which has a 5 year warranty after registration and it blew me away.
If it wasn't for the coil whine I'd keep it, now I'm gonna return it and buy another.
It ran at 50-65C at full load, 4k with high settings. The coolers were incredibly silent and after undervolting it was only using 240W of power.
If you make sure to not use the adapter, but instead use a singular cable directly from the PSU and properly insert and guide the cable, the card burning up should be low. 5080 and especially the 5090 sound risky, though.
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>>107808708
damn, I’m a poorfag and I was seriously considering getting a 9060xt over the 5060ti
Now I’m really glad I choose the spend the extra $80 for the 5060ti…
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>>107808127
>>107808179
so is there anything wrong with the psu grok told him
because if not, then...
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>>107808534
my RX 570 is poolaris and its served me very well
apologize to him now
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>>107808904
>>107808568
Generally speaking nvidia just has the superior software, without a doubt.
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>>107808708
>All our stuff will work with future products
>If it doesn't it's because we made better stuff

lol he doesn't even realise what he said
late he said he doesn't see any gamer every turning off redstone
The RDOA streak continues
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>>107808919
DLSS and Frame gen is hardware, not software.
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How does one join the Republic of Gamers?
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actually mad to me that there are people with 5090s and they do all their gaming on a fucking ally x
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>>107808960
you install armoury crate on your pc and have all your key presses be sent directly to china
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>>107808965
From each according to their ability, to each accordint to their needs... I'd be wielding one for my 3d fagging career...
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>>107808951
Not him, it's both. Radeon doesn't have access to the models that DLSS uses, which are superior to FSR.
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>>107808960
It requires levels of gayness mortal men cant accept.
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>>107808965
I steam to mine
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>>107808797
used 2x8 is still like $150 here and i got this pc for $350, no way i'm spending that much.
do these work? i have spare 8gb sodimm 3200mhz
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>>107809025
who knows lmao
good luck
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>>107808559
You can manually set set the DLSS version with profile inspector if not in control panel. There's also a registry setting that will allow you to see the stats, like input and output resolution and model used. Kind of a pain in the ass, but you can put a shortcut on your desktop that will turn on and off the registry setting.
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>>107808384
You need to make sure the speed and sub timings are the same as the old kit
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>>107808965
it's impossible to game on my 5090 since the moment I go above 60 fps I have insane coil whine.
so fuck this shit ass card can't wait to sell it for profit next year when the 6090 comes out
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>>107808725
The irony of you calling anyone a shill when you are clearly shilling for Nvidia. An adult would realize that both brands offer things for different needs. The same goes for CPUs. Or... hey! ANY computer part. Imagine that.
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>>107808384
>>107809059
And you might need to manually overvolt the SoC to get the memory stable
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>>107808340
Probably not for gaming, considering you can't get an AM4 X3D chip for a reasonable price. If you really need multicore, maybe.
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>>107809062
Of course we believe you.
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>>107808154
Doesn't look like it really needs an upgrade to me. Learn to use DLSS and do some basic settings optimization. No FG but unless you really want 120+ FPS in Unreal slop I don't think it's necessary. You can usually run 4K 60 FPS in graphically demanding games with a few tweaks on that system. More demanding esports like Apex or Arc Raiders will be more like 120 or higher.
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THIS SHIT WAS $232 CAD JUST A FEW DAYS AGO
WTF IS HAPPENING HOW ARE PRICES STILL INCREASING FOR DDR4 ?!?!?

>1K bought last month
STOP IT YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS
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Looks like 9060 XT 16gb cards are thinning out and going up in price.
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>>107809129
When supply decreases as demand increases, prices increase. Are you new here?
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Should I buy a 1440p 320hz IPS monitor for $330 or a 4k 160hz miniled monitor for $460?

My GPU is a 5070 Ti and I enjoy competitive games, internet browsing, RPGs, etc. Pretty varied use.
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>>107809136
BRO THAT'S A 55% INCREASE IN ONE SINGLE DAY
MAKE IT FUCKING STOOOOOOOPPPPPPPP
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>>107809139
I don't like either of the options.
Either punt with a cheap 1440p IPS if you refuse the go to AOC 1440p VA miniLED or go 4K OLED. Be aware that you'll want to disable HDR when playing competitive games if you have a miniLED backlight because of the latency
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>>107808568
>the 12VHPWR connector has me reconsidering
wisdom indeed, for it is truly a shit connector. regardless just buy whichever one has the best specs and cooling and make sure all your connections are made correctly.
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>>107809054
So is there an improvement with frame gen quality in dlss 4.5? Should I just set it to latest in the control panel?
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>>107809130
So what’s the point in getting a Radeon gpu if their competitors superior product is only about 20-50 dollars more?
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>>107809188
>improvement with frame gen quality in dlss 4.5
Don't know, haven't seen any analysis. Not sure whether the FG model got updated
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>>107809171
I don't think either would fit my usecase because:

Cheap VA is dogshit for competitive gaming, poor motion clairty

4k OLEDs are $900

I use my PC to read things online often, OLED is horrible for text clarity

Will keep the monitor for 5 years
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e-mailed deepcool about airflow for my case and this was the diagram they sent back. was wondering if this looks right to u cuz i was about to set some of the top fans as intake
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>>107809191
No one knows. Honestly I don't know, but they brag about it a lot.
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>>107809171
It's funny when you try to help people make good purchases with the aoc minileds and then they respond with some bullshit.
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>>107809191
A guy on YouTube who gets paid every time somebody buys an AMD card using his affiliate link told him AMD cards are good.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6VT5bEeKWw&t=197s
>27" 5K@165Hz / 1440p@330Hz Dual-Mode
>2304 Zone Mini-LED IPS
>Glossy Coating
>MSI: "LOL Actually we're still deciding if we're gonna release this or not"
Just WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with MSI?
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>>107809221
Pic related.
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>>107809210
I was reading that people were saying frame gen is better, but I think they are confusing frame gen with the new presets.
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>>107809222
All I fucking want is a 4k@240hz mini led native, is that so hard to ask for?
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>>107809213
Not an expert, but this looks right considering that hot air rises to the top.
Intake fans usually go on the bottom from what I've seen.
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>>107809213
You want more intake than outflow
air will always find a way out
>b-b-but it will put more wear on my fans!
OK. They’re $30 and will outlast the rest of the rig.
My rig is 3x front fans pulling in
2x top fans pulling in
1x top fan blowing out
1x rear fan blowing out
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>>107808440
My 2700X couldn't get 4 sticks of Samsung B-die to run at 3200cl14, 2 sticks can.
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>>107809211
>OLED is horrible for text clarity
I have a 32" 4K QD-OLED, MPG321UX, and it's not.

>Cheap VA is dogshit for competitive gaming
The AOC I mentioned (find the model for yourself) is pretty fast. I don't have one so I can't comment on how good it is for competitive gaming, but in general it's as fast as the IPS of 5 years ago.
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>>107809239
There are two separate models, one for super resolution and one for FG. The SR got updated, again not sure about FG. If the base image (new SR model) is better, the FG will look better. But the DLLs are separate, you can download them from techpowerup, not that you need to. That's why they're separate options in the driver
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Why do people say the Asus Prime 5070 Ti has better thermals than the $750 non-SFF models like the PNY?

I thought SFF = worse thermals?
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>>107809139
Sex with Drasna
Babymaking sex even
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>>107808916
>apologize to him now
never apologize for calling me retarded
never apologize for calling anyone retarded
there's too much people pleasing in these threads
it's not personal, we're all anonymous so really it's self-criticism, and that's healthy
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>>107809284
That's about what I thought. I think people are confused.
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>>107809299
iirc PNY doesn't use PTM7950 and they have worse fans
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>>107809129
PAY UP LEAF
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>>107807912
>DLSS : QUALITY
>FRAME GENERATION : 2X
>SETTINGS : ULTRA

Yep, its gaming time
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>>107809222
Well releasing a 5k monitor when 5090s can barely run AAA slop in 4k doesn't seem like it'd work out in my mind but what do I know
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>>107809222
they only recently consulted the chart and realised they were wasting time and money on 27inch cringe when they could be making 5k ultrawides instead. So at least your monitor will give you a nice 5fps experience.
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>>107809386
Sex with Louis' slightly haggy sister
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>>107809386
dlss quality makes my fans loud so i use performance
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how much does a 2600k sandy bridge system with 16gb of ddr3 and a 280x sell for? Should i just HODL my old system as the prices trickle down as i'd struggle to sell for $100 now but maybe prices might double as normies and business threw all of them out to the trash and recycling centers and are desperate for a computer
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>>107809270
The AOC you mentioned has 180hz refresh rate and is VA compared to the monitor I'm considering (Gigabyte M27Q3) Which has a 320hz refresh rate and is IPS. $280 vs $330.

$50 more for 140hz refresh rate and IPS instead of VA seems worth it.

I can't justify spending $1k on a current monitor, maybe in the future as the tech gets more impressive.
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>>107809388
Did you not hear of dlss 4.5 and preset L and 6x frame gen?
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I really should upgrade from my Ryzen 1700...
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>>107809406
you can get like $60 if you sell both the cpu & ram but its not worth it cuz ebay fees unless you sell locally.
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Can anyone explain to a brainlet like me at how x3D is so innovative and better for gayming? And why couldn’t Intel replicate that?
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>>107809421
i might as well hodl as ddr3 systems in general appears to have bottomed out in pricing at the bathtub curve and as ddr4 prices are already near ddr5 prices ddr3 will appreciate over time. I just need space in my 80 square foot room
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>>107809432
https://youtu.be/dSCpVhKvmCY?t=394

as for why intel couldn't replicate it, patents.
they have their own solution coming up soon.
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>>107809432
more Xes
more odd numbers
bonus, has 3d right in the name
that's pretty much what AMD sells
>t. finally upgraded from an FX-8350/R9 290X
>almost bought when it was 5800X3D/7900XTX
>held out for the 9800x3D/9070XT
i miss 5ghz
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>>107809412
I think you're conflating slow VAs with fast VAs. VAs are not all the same. Check the response times on the AOC VA. The AOC has decent HDR, which is a strong benefit over the IPS for your non-competitive gaming. Personally I can't stand the contrast of IPS. Either way the monitors you're looking at are cheap and you're not married to them, so in general I'd try to stay on the cheaper side and look to upgrade to sooner rather than later. A Pulsar equivalent will probably be coming to OLED (or QD-EL) in a couple of years, which will essentially make them end game monitors
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Awww... thanks :)
Damn I'm so smart.
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>>107809489
that's really nice. grok called me a nigger and dressed me in a micro bikini when i told him about my new PC
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>>107809415
You really should. Even an R7 5700 would be an all around upgrade. Just make sure you update BIOS before removing the old chip, and grab some PTM
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>>107809489
It's not just a custom gaming PC. It's an *elite gaymer rig*.
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>>107809489
https://files.catbox.moe/w6tlm4.mov
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>>107809432
Intel is very slow moving, and the cache is heat sensitive, which has been a weak point for Intel. Rumor is that Intel's next gen chips will have greatly increased cache. Maybe we'll get some competition in the gaming high end again
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I can't believe all the RAM is going to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6onc3rpArns
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>>107809489
It's going to be really disappointing when your shit shows up and none of it's compatible and the AI goes "You're absolutely right! I completely failed to properly account for XYZ, and I'm so sorry for that"
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>>107809489
>AI's real world use cases are a polite search engine that can very easily be made hallucinate if you compel it to and often gets shit wrong
>And pornography
Completely worth the trillions of dollars
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>>107809489
It's bad enough that these AIs just fellate you no matter how retarded you might be while talking to them but when it says shut like you should "geek out" with it over shit like it's an actual social relationship is a little too dystopian for my liking
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>>107809475
Seems you know more on the subject than me anon. Honestly I don't care or like HDR, prefer to game on slightly below average brightness.

I've been using an IPS monitor for the last 5 years so I'm used to it, but I'd be willing to switch for a better experience.

The AOC and the Gigabyte monitors have the same response time. refresh rate is really important for gaming and I'm willing to have worse contrast for it so I'll go for the Gigabyte. Will keep an eye out for Pulsar OLEDs though, thanks.
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>>107809496
Feels so bad spending money on a 9-year old platform though... not that I need that much more performance, to be fair.
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Is 1440p worth it? Call me an unc but I've only ever used 1080p.
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>>107809489
Are you geeking out?
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>>107809570
yes if you have the gpu power for it.
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>>107809527
PLEASE... don't forget video shorts of fat becky collapsing her grandparent's home.
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>>107809570
Yes, I've had 1440p since we started getting those cheap high refresh rate 1440p korean monitors back in like 2012
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>>107809518
do you really think it's healthy or normal behavior to make up delusional events in your head to seethe at?
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>>107809570
Yes, if you're running 1440p native on your monitor. Scaling down from 4K is blurry.
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>>107809570
4k is bigger leap. its 4x the pixel count of 1080p. add in the instant response times of oled and real hdr its like next gen leap coming from a 1080p tn.
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>>107809547
>Will keep an eye out for Pulsar OLEDs though, thanks.
The ShaderBeam Rolling Scan CRT Simulator utility that was just released accomplishes the same thing Pulsar does for OLED:
https://github.com/mausimus/ShaderBeam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWs6JravOF8
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>>107809589
4k is great if you like buying a 90 card every gen in an eternal dream of staying above 100 fps. 1440p high refresh is a much more practical dream.
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>>107809527
>AI's real world use cases are a polite search engine that can very easily be made hallucinate if you compel it to and often gets shit wrong
Yes, and even this is invaluable compared to the garbage we had before.
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>>107809596
with fsr4 and dlss4.5 performance mode is now viable which is 1080p at 4k but much better quality than a 1080p or 1440p display
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>>107809596
4k in 2026 means running the game at 1080p or below native res.
5070 ti can do it perfectly fine, transformer model improved over cnn, and 4.5 improved it more.
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>>107809599
>Yes, and even this is invaluable compared to the garbage we often see in this thread
Minor correction
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>>107809596
You're not wrong. Most GPUs realistically cap out at 1440p 165hz and these panels are cheap now.
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>>107809596
>>107809606
>>107809616
I've been messing around with preset M and it's pretty amazing at 4k. It looks near indistinguishable to quality and gives you a huge bump in fps.
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>>107809577
W-what's the minimum GPU for 1440p?

>>107809589
4k is going to be tiny everything. How are you going to watch 1080 videos? Not to mention gaming is gonna suck shit at 30 fps unless you have xx90
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>>107809579
>video shorts of fat becky collapsing her grandparent's home.
What does that even mean
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>>107809671
>W-what's the minimum GPU for 1440p?
Like a 1060 on min settings prolly.
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>>107809671
>4k is going to be tiny everything.
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>>107809632
unfortunately it seems most people replying to me would rather pay for extra pixels so that they can stare at ai generated pixels. Might be a lost cause, pc building.
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spot the fsr3 gpu owner
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>>107809570
>Call me an unc but I've only ever used 1080p.
Real uncs used 1200p before 1080p was a thing.
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>>107809678
Just one of many examples of AI slop overtaking everyone's YouTube and Instagram feeds.
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>>107809136
when a company abruptly alters the market by hoarding most of the supply, its illegal
one reason for that is you can use this to create fake fluctuations in the market that you can easily predict the rise and fall of.
but... you know, just laws and logic.
wouldnt want that to get in the way of ai, no no no, can't have that.

https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/business-and-management/market-manipulation
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>>107809684
doesn't 1080 look like dogwater? 720p on a 1080p monitor looks like ass already
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>>107809723
when have laws ever applied to the elite and their cohorts? Are you new.... to life?
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>>107809724
I dont think anything looks bad.
Theres literally no downside to buying 4k monitor if your gpu is modern nvidia
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>>107809586
ask ai
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>>107809730
>make statement implying I didn't say that
>act smug
>still can't read English


Are you new.... reading English?
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>>107809759
You seemed to be implying sam altman is a criminal when he's got washington's blessing in the ai arm's race to do WHATEVER is necessary to make sure we win. Maybe my reading comprehension is off but that was my takeaway. Don't expect accountability for any laws you think are bring broken, those only apply to losers. Same for war crimes, only countries who lose get charged with them.
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>>107809723
Are you just figuring this out? That taking away supply increases price?
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>>107809759
...and btw im not that anon you replied to at first who called you new (here).
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>>107809780
thats cool, I'm not that poster either.

>>107809772
congrats, you doubled down and still failed at reading.
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might finally pull the trigger on building a pc for the first time in the next 2 weeks, while I do my homework in the components

5070ti or 4070 xt?
[spoiler]also, Ill be using linux if that matters[/spoiler]
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>>107809773
>pretending to be retarded
its getting pathetic anon, really
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>>107809804
i'll triple down too.
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>>107809835
fuckin A
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>>107808842

come to my thread and post your greivances
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>>107809804
>>107809780
that's exactly what i'd expect PISSBUTTFAG to say. You're exposed.
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>>107809812
5070ti it runs dlss 4.5 the best.
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>>107809171
you want to disable HDR on principle alone, its fucking awful.

>>107809412
any refresh rate above 180+hz is pointless unless you're an unironic esports tryhard faggot. Most game's dont even render past that point, or they do 500+fps and melt your gpu for no reason.
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>>107808708
lmao holy shit no way
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>>107809934
144hz feels a lot smoother and nicer than 60hz if you hit those frames. huge difference in clarity especially in quick motion or camera panning. Not that I couldn't go back, if i used 60hz again for a break-in period it would be perfectly serviceable, but since i can easily drive 144hz, i prefer to.
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How shitty does ultra performance DLSS4.5 look at 1440p? I won’t have access to my PC for a few days.
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>>107809684
not every app scales up with that, even on 1440p some programs are aids to look at, Steam in particular is awful. Stop being a lying faggot. I love my 1440p ultrawide, but ill always mention any issues with certain games i have, or quirks a new ultrawide king would have to adapt to.

Shilling a product and lying/hiding its negatives is such a cancerous, faggoty move and i despise all you jewish cockroaches who do this ITT just to appease your own buyers remorse.
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PSUs at the top or the bottom?
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>>107809247
yea wanted to put some underneath too but my card’s about to kiss the bottom at this rate

>>107809249
what layout would you recommend my case in that case
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>>107809992
Tanks, GamerMeld
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>>107809988
tru
i love my 5080 but even i have to admit
sometimes the vram feels a bit tight.
it doesn't run out but... it's cramped if that makes sense.
Other people may or may not have that issue, it's a great card in general but i won't pretend it's perfect.
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You guys are such green faggots holy shit. This is easily the greatest fucking card of the generation. I got this on sale at microcenter for $570

>Upgrading from 3080 10gb rog strix
>oblivion remastered
>same settings, new card
>go from 80 fps to 140fps
>what the fuck
>card is running at 50.4c GPU temp, down from 76c with 3080
>using 303w, not 445w
>thermal junction down to 83.4c from 104.5c
>turn up to ultra settings
>77fps average, low of 65 high of 90
>this is increased from 41fps on 3080
>this is with RT on

Holy fucking shit. I am never ever buying a (((flagship))) card again if it gets mogged this hard after fucking 5 years. The thermals ALONE are worth it nevermind it absolutely ass blasts my old 3080. Glad I sold it for $300
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Is 4k a meme or is it legitimately that much better for gaming and regular use than 1440p?
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>>107809963
I think it really targets 4k, and that's all I tested it on. 4k is really good. If your already on quality mode the visuals are minimal, but performance and ultra performance are really good.
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>>107810030
5 year old card beaten by newer card, crazy work...
glad you're enjoying your pc!!
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Is the MSI RTX 2080 Ti Duke 11GB a good 2080ti?
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Is it worth undervolting the mid-high tier Ryzen CPUs (e.g., Ryzen 9 9900x, 9950x, any of the x3d CPUs)? I know these Ryzens are a lot less power hungry and hot than the 7000/5000 series Ryzen CPUs, and way less of a housefire risk than the 13th and 14th gen Intel, but I wonder if an undervolt is worth it for productivity purposes.
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It makes sense to pair a Ryzen 7 9700X with a Radeon RX 9060 XT 16GB? I'm looking for an average gaming performance but I'm also gonna use it for software development, hence the choice for a current gen CPU.
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>>107810030
3080 was 2 steps below the flagship
3080 was released 6 years ago.
Try comparing your card to the actual flagship, a 5090.
>trolls need to step it up
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>>107810059
ye
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>>107810030
I have both an RTX 5070 ti (in my productivity PC in my office) and an Rx 9070 XT (in my gaming PC in my apartment). They both are pretty powerful and beastly GPUs, and for gaming I don't see anything wrong with going for either one (depending on your priorities and use case). If you're gaming on Linux, the 9070 XT is a no brainer and will get you crazy good performance for a bit cheaper than a 5070 ti.
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>>107810054
Depends upon the silicon lottery. I have my 9800x3d undervolted @ -30 and it helped thermals and performance.
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>>107810062
>one card is literally 1/8th the price of the other
>the performance is unbelievable comparatively

Your 5090 will be useless around the same time that card is useless and you'll be out $3000 while hes out maybe $400 after resale

Who really wins here
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>>107810062
The 9070 XT isn't even trying to compete against the 5090. It's priced to compete against the 5070 ti and 5080 (where it is only marginally worse than both in gaming workloads, and a whole hell of a lot cheaper than a 5080). Obviously a card which you can get at a $600 MSRP (or pretty close to it) won't be throwing punches against a card that's 5 times more expensive.
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>>107810077
subjective since he will get to enjoy using the best card for several years and to some people that's easily worth 3k.
i don't even sell my old cards since i dont need the money back.
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>>107810083
>for several years
It melts within 1 year.
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>>107810077
Maybe you're replying to the wrong person? I didn't call a 3080 a "flagship" card.
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>>107810030
>filename
what’s the point of this bait?
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>>107810030
Set its power limit to -20% and voltage by at least -50mV. I get 44C idle and 60C during stress testing at 240W in my air constrained SFF case. I'm glad I went with that card despite hardware unboxed claiming that the non-tachi model is among the hottest and nosiest 9070 XT model.
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>>107810077
>Your 5090 will be useless around the same time that card is useless and you'll be out $3000
Laughs in xx90 series. Flagships are an investment. You get to use them for years then make money on resale.
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>>107810108
>bait
Cope green tranny this is a team red thread now
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>>107810054
absolutely. my OEM 5700X3D from aliexpress did -30 PBO no problem.
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>>107810077
I don't think that's going to happen again unless AMD decides to get their shit together. The jump from a 3090 to the 4090 was gigantic, and it only happened because Jensen whipped some asses after the fact AMD managed to reach almost equal footing with the 6900 XT in that generation. Now look at where we are with the 5090 vs 4090 vs 5080, the 4090 is still the 2nd most performant consumer card despite being almost 4 years old.
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>>107810035
4k is amazing. Even upscaled it looks far better than 1440p, and dlss was basically tailored for it.
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>>107810154
I forgot to complement, and yet AMD has no competition for the 4090 even after all this time.
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>>107810030
>asrock
I swerve hard
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Nvidia refreshing the 8gb 3060 with upgraded tensor cores is a good thing actually.
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>>107810030
3080 was just an exceptionally hot and inefficient gpu. the entire rtx30 series was like that
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1. Is USB3.0 now just as good for IOPs compared to eSATA for external backup (i.e. freefilesync where it compares two directories to mirror over for my backup?)

2. Why are cases not reverse ATX anymore? Doesn't it make sense to have the GPU flipped so it's above the CPU or is that dated because AIO is a thing/solved it? Also I guess since GPUs weight so goddamn much now your kind of need them near the bottom to prop them up with a anti-sag stick lol

Kind of weird how tech is two steps forward but one step back
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>>107809406
Stick Windows XP on it and market it as a retro gaming machine.
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>>107806652
only want 16:9 which it seems is never gonna be a thing
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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/TothBrush/saved/NhQLwP

thoughts? I desperately wish I had any x3d chip due to the enormous VRChat performance improvement they give. I'm also looking into mini-LED monitors
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How bad of an idea is it to run a PC without a CPU cooler? The one I ordered got lost in the mail.
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>>107810273
very bad
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>>107810023
yeah, i understand that, some of the poorly optimised games do alot more wrong than just require large amounts of vram, they store loads of useles data on the ram itself, and when they start cycling and deleting data on-ram in real-time to load something else, the game will start stuttering and acting up, and no tech reviewer ever seems to cover this phenomenon.

It can also happen with motherboard ram too, if you do alot of torrenting and multitasking for 12+ hours, it can make games+apps unstable as a result.
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>>107810273
Really really bad. If you run your CPU without any kind of a cooler (even a cheap one) you will immediately thermal throttle and likely burn your CPU/socket eventually.
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>>107810273
Put some toothpaste on it and hope for the best?
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>>107810273
You probably won't get to your desktop before it shuts down due to overheating. crazy how fast these things heat up.
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>>107810271
why are you wasting your money on a cpu cooler that costs almost as much as the cpu itself
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>>107810062
>compare a card that is over 5x the cost of another card
man, you Njudean paypigs sure are coping hard. I'm not even going off of OP's price, i went by australian prices of the cheapest of both gpus. The pricing is a joke, the 5090 is absurdly overpriced and AWFUL value unless you use it for production shit.
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kek band-aid solutions to a shitty connector design. CONSOOM.

https://videocardz.com/newz/cooler-master-brings-gpu-shield-to-its-psus-and-a-drop-in-12v-2x6-safety-adaptor
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>>107810158
I have been on 21:9 ultrawide for 10 years. What do I upgrade to for 4k?
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>>107810309
not everyone is /poor/, anon
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>>107810319
They should add some screws like old VGA connectors to keep it secure.
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>>107810271
i would make some changes here
trade in all the storage for a 2tb nvme (guessing some of this is already yours? In which case I guess keep it and buy nothing)
Your case has fans pre-installed, you do not need to buy 5 more fans. Order no fans, build the PC, and if you need to get another fan, go to best buy and get one for $10
you are paying extra for a motherboard with wifi built-in, you do not need to also buy a wi-fi card. Also just plug it in, it's a desktop, the cable doesn't need to move so you can do something like get one that matches your paint and run it along a wall. If you're too far from your router for a cable, you're too far for gaming on wifi.
with the money you save on these parts that don't matter, you can get an x3d chip
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>>107810309
Sorry, shillerdile dundee, I wasn't the one who called a 3080 a flagship
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>>107810165
>if i keep coping about how unimportant this market segment is, i can shill my overpriced scam-gpus with impunity!
>what are melting cables? mines fine i swear! i had to replace my psu again though, totally unrelated!
Goyslave.
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>>107810368
back to /pol/ in pcbg, eh?
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>bios showing 6000mhz ram instead of 6400mhz
I don't understand whatever is happening here...
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>>107810332
a 5k2k monitor
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My one real gripe with my Super Flower is that of the three fan settings I generally have no choice but to use the traditional always-on option anyway. With either of the fan stop modes the PSU will stay silent for only a short while until that temp threshold is reached and then suddenly its a roaring turbine for an equally brief period, on and off and on and off. Better to keep running to stay quiet even though that will fill it with dust faster. It does not have any smart monitoring to ensure that doesn't happen.
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>>107810344
This isn't a case of 'poor' anon, i know more rich people irl than anyone ITT, and they wouldn't spend 5x the money for twice the performance, for anything.
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https://youtu.be/gVQC0KyzucI?t=1359

holy fucking shit look at the time stamp. dlss 4.5 on handhelds would be fucking insanity
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>>107810273
1. You can't run your PC without a cooler. Maybe if you figure out some CRAZY underclocking technique to get it under 0.1 GHz, but that's unlikely. It will turn itself off while you're in the bios. I know personally from experience that you can't really get away with any setup that runs the cpu with no cooler
2. Once I upgraded my PC I realized I had a cooler but no backplate to anchor the cooler to the motherboard. I tried stacking heavy objects like cans of beer and books on top of the cooler in order to physically press it against the CPU, but it didn't work. The screws that hold a cooler to a CPU do it with like 100 lbs of force in order to cool it off.

pic related. Back in the day I tried forcing the cooler against the cpu by stacking heavy stuff on top of it, which completely did not work.

>>107810301
I bought that cpu cooler like 10 years ago when I was a 16 year old anon. The price of an all-in-one cooler is ~40 usd nowadays and I'm sure even a cheap one has better cooling than the one I have now. Everything in the list I already own.

>>107810356
That's just a dump of everything I own. If I want to upgrade anything, such as the CPU, that would mean then selling on facebook or ebay the current 5700X. Most of the stuff I have is just junk and hand-me-downs or stuff I scrapped from another build.

I agree with you about the 2tb nvme. I really do want one. Lately I've been browsing diskprices every day so I can stockpile stuff on huge cheap drives like Unity assets and 4k Videos
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>>107810374
Did you SELECT 6400?
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>>107810349
>VGA and DVI connectors had to screw in

Bring back AV RCA
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>>107810380
>tried stacking heavy objects like
desperation leads to some of the most retarded inspirations. I once made a backplate out of a piece of roofing tin with some sheet metal snips.
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>>107809812
older hardware just runs better on linux.
bleeding edge hardware always has the highest risk of problems on linux (even windows).
If you are buying a new CPU, I would suggest looking at the AMD AI max 385 for $800 (+case/nvme/PSU/120mm fan not included) from framework which has an igpu that's similar to a 4060 (a RX 9060 / 5060 is around 30% faster).No FSR4
It sounds very stupid, but it is probably the quietest PC you could get because it's only 100 watts, and you got enough ram. And it could run an AI decently (for LLM's it's more than 2x slower than the 5070 TI/RX 9070, that's still not that bad, BUT I expect the steam machine to have the same performance and I believe it will be a bit cheaper).
https://frame.work/ca/en/products/framework-desktop-mainboard-amd-ryzen-ai-max-300-series?v=FRAFMK0002
I personally don't think nvidia has a big issue with linux because I have a nvidia GPU myself and it ran fine (1660 TI), but AMD is glazing the linux community slightly more than nvidia, and something something.
If you want to use the steam frame (VR) on linux it might have less PCVR latency than nvidia but I don't have any benchmarks to prove it (or if windows is much better).
https://github.com/WiVRn/WiVRn
You should stick to a 9070 or 5070 TI if you wanted PCVR.
Also, if you don't have a monitor + etc, if you want a poverty build that has a lot of bang per buck (but like 1/4th fps of the AI max), you could go with the steam deck for $350, you get 2x more performance with a $600~ z1/z2 extreme windows handheld (it can install a linux, maybe steam OS, but maybe not and you need a easier distro). Then you could plug that handheld to a monitor + keyboard + mouse (using a usb 4 dock with DP alt mode, for SSD space you could use a usb4 nvme enclosure or a slow micro sd card).
You could also buy a PS5 APU which has similar GPU power of a 5070~ or something for $100 (better than the AI max). But it has a bunch of issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSmCgxa37cg
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>>107810356
Nta, but a lot of cases have pretty shit fans. I've found that even in some more known case brands like Montech/Phanteks, replacing the stock case fans with even cheap thermalright/arctic fans ends up making a difference. Especially if the fans that come in the case arent pwm.
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Gee I wonder what time it is in India.
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>>107810373
the dalit is back early...
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These faggots are saying 32GB of RAM is the "sweet spot" for /gaymers/, I say that 32GB is the minimum poorspec for any user running windows 11. tell me i'm wrong.

https://www.techspot.com/review/3076-how-much-ram-2026/
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>>107810437
my build has antec+arctic fans, loads of fans and they're all fairly quiet, im very happy.
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>>107810443
/pol/tard
Don't you get it yet? No one wants you here.
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>>107809299
better fans = better cooling
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>>107810443
this retarded tranny cope image again
in EVERY METRIC AMD hardware is inferior
AMD has no ethics as exampled by their CES show
you are just a fanboy and try to turn your purchases into a faggy political statement
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>>107810463
he's back from his duty of cleaning the diarrhea off the designated shitting hallways of his local hospital, be nice.
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its over


Key reasons behind the indefinite delay of the RTX 50 SUPER launch

There were earlier leaks saying that for the RTX 50 SUPER series, NVIDIA had already confirmed and informed AIC partners that the release would be delayed indefinitely. CES further supports this. There was no RTX 50 SUPER-related product showcase from NVIDIA. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang’s keynote also did not reveal or announce any new GPU products or related information.

The absence of a new-generation NVIDIA graphics card may disappoint some hardware enthusiasts, but this decision is not completely unexpected. The post suggests NVIDIA is mainly considering these factors:

Overseas demand for compute GPUs is surging, so more capacity is being reserved for compute GPU production, where profits are higher.
The rise in memory-related products may be a long-cycle issue. VRAM chips are not only expensive, but the cost also affects global consumer GPU market share.
The most important point: there is currently no news of any new-generation AMD consumer GPU products launching in 2026. The current RTX 50 series can remain competitive for a long time, so releasing the SUPER refresh is less necessary.
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>>107810463
anons you can simply report low-quality flamewar trollposting and and move on.
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>>107810476
moronic tranny faggot that turns his purchases into a political statement because he's desperate to find any justification for purchasing objectively inferior products for his favourite brand
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a few quarterly reports worth of these hardware prices being passed on to investors and the ai bubble should end pretty soon. Thank you Sam Altman for ending the hysteria.
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>>107810480
Hello, newfriend. We called the cancellation of the Super cards last October when the ram crisis geared up.
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Is this the best value 4k monitor currently on the market? Not interested in OLEDs.
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>>107810480
if RDNA5 launches this year it wont be until Q4, but it wont launch this year. Q1 is the earliest reasonable expectation.
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>>107810480
>>107810492
Indeed it's all about profit. Once again the monster that is capitalism has shat upon us. Woe to all who just want to /pcbg/.
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>>107810412
>canadian link
https://frame.work/products/framework-desktop-mainboard-amd-ryzen-ai-max-300-series?v=FRAFMK0002
Oh and if you go with a handheld (it needs usb4, needs to be a z1/z2 extreme, not the steam deck), you could later on get an egpu (it does require a jank setup, it will cost $100+ for usb4, they don't come with a box encloser, but it should have holes to screw with + you could use a block of wood or something and put threadded inserts into it so screws fit, or just use ducktape, and the PSU will just be lying around on your table).
But you need a handheld with 2 usb 4 ports, since one will recharge with a dock, and the other will be the eGPU port.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSmCgxa37cg
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>>107810500
Ehh, not really. woe to all who waitfagged the last 6 months.
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>>107810500
thats why Nvidia is going to be going back to Samsung 8nm, they know you paypiggies will buy a 3060 8gb refresh for $400
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>>107810474
>ethics are entirely based on what you say in public to please stockholders
>not in what products you release, at what times, and at what prices and feature-sets they possess
You are an absolute disgusting, subhuman. A living stereotype of the worst muttmerican traits.

Nobody claims AMD is perfect, but they're easily miles above the competition on the corporate ethics front. Would they remain the same if the roles reversed? probably not, but then i would pivot to a potentially chink brand, if they were viable, and i needed to upgrade. Very unlikely scenario though.

>>107810488
>Butthurt paypiggy cries and conflates having basic self-respect with making political statements.
No retard, i'm just a better person than you.

>>107810480
kek. Its a shame there's nothing on the release schedule for anyone except Intel now though. Its gonna get boring having nothing real to speculate on.
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>>107810512
do not redeem sar
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>>107810512
>corporate ethics
Anon does not have a global view of how capitalism works
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>>107810505
>I meant to post this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPOgv63Yvx8
kind of showing that usb4 is all you need, but I should note oculink / m.2 slots are 1/4th the price of usb4 egpu adapters, but usb4 is hotplugable, so you could just plug it in and out and your handheld/minipc won't freeze.
No handheld has oculink, but some have a laptop CPU with an oculink (AI 370 cpu for example) but those handhelds cost as much as laptops, maybe instead get that laptop for bigger nvme slots.
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>>107810474
>this retarded tranny cope image again
>in EVERY METRIC AMD hardware is inferior
dawg AMD has made better cpus for like 5 years now. I'm sure you don't mean what you say.
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>>107810526
the image is clearly talking about GPUs you moronic Troon
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>>107810512
only an Indian or a tranny could make a post as retarded as this
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>>107810526
I boughted an AMD CPU but I don't pretend they are the market leader.
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>>107810532
>in EVERY METRIC AMD hardware is inferior
>uhh actually not in those metrics. just in the gpu metrics

meanwhile nvidia is charging you an extra $100 per gigabyte of vram plus AMD is far more heavily involved in open source.

>>107810539
Anon I'm not sure if you're trolling or not
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>>107810539
i hope panther lake is good so i can go back to intel
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>>107810384
I'm retarded. I was looking at the EXPO info and I thought it was saying that one of my RAM sticks was 6400 while the other was 6000. didn't realize that they were options.
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>>107810523
Actually I didn't know the egpu dock could recharge the handheld, so nevermind you don't need 2 usb ports (but having an extra would be useful for a usb 4 SSD / m.2 nvme enclosure).
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>>107810520
i unironically do, much more than you. I don't pretend it'll make a big difference though, you're not very literate, even for an american, you keep putting words in my mouth with your 50iq strawmans, but again, its not about that, its about self-respect.

You literally can't understand that, because you're a subhuman failed male with who has never had self-respect, the concept is foreign to you, degrading yourself is almost a drug-high for you at this point.
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The guy who's posting all this poltard take is just a bitter Australian man-child who couldn't afford a GTX 1070 in his formative years, and settled for an RX 580 or whatever trash Radeon offered at the time.
It's not NVIDIA's fault Radeon fumbled the most important dGPU generations in the industry's history.
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>>107810546
Don't beat yourself up. Get it all straightened out?
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>build new PC
>realize the mobo doesn't have PS/2 port
can someone recommend USB keyboards? full sized because I like numpads and media controls
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Will a 750w PSU from 2019ish be able to support a 5800x3d and a 5070 without shitting itself?
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>>107810556
Yep, I think I just need to install windows and my drivers now
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>>107810563
you could get a ps2 to usb adapter for like a dollar on aliexpress.
but it will take a month or more to arrive, but if you are near a local PC repair shop (that's old and has stock of old stuff), they should have a adapter.
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>>107810555
Who cares about history? The fact is they make GPUs that are cost-competitive in the midrange, so buy one if it suits your build and budget and have fun with it.
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>>107810568
place piece of poop near his nose, he's a good boy and deserves it
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>>107810568
I'm using a 750w PSU for a 9800x3d and 5070 ti. PCPartpicker says my PC uses ~ 600 watts
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>>107810480
You don't need a super card, you can buy a 5090. Oh you can't afford one? Well how about you use GeForce Now? You don't even need to own a good gpu really do you?
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>>107810563
there's no way you don't have an adapter somewhere I know you have boxes and boxes of electrojunk
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>>107810546
>I'm retarded
yep.
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>>107810568
plug all your parts into pcpartpicker, take the wattage estimation and add 100w. That's the minimum you need.
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>>107810570
Godspeed, anon and good luck.
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>>107810577
>Who cares about history?
That unhinged retard is obviously bitter about being forever priced out of the toys he can't afford.
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>>107810568
yes you'll be fine, you still have plenty headroom with those and a 750
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>>107810563
buy anything full-size, if you wanna waste money for the premium of premiums, get a BeQuiet!, a corsair k70 or k100, optical mechanical is a great choice. Avoid logitech like the plague these days, otherwise just hit up your local or online pc supplier and scroll through, you are spoilt for choice around the ~$100US mark.

>>107810555
i own a rx580, i've bought 3 different generations of gpu since then, and my current rig is worth more than your easily, and would outperform it too. You're far too retarded to even be able to buy a 5090 on credit kek.


You're just another mad, stupid, goyslave-muttmerican retard, who can't handle getting called out over your paypiggery. I have
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>>107810573
I needed a new keyboard anyway. my current one is old as fuck (pic related).
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>>107810581
>>107810588
Partpicker says estimated wattage is ~489w so I guess that should be safe enough?
I have to use the power cable adapter that comes with the card so I'm mostly worried about that.
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>>107810604
>logitech
it's sad how far they've fallen.
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>>107810604
>i own a rx580, i've bought 3 different generations of gpu since then,
This isn't a brag, you moron. It just shows how terrible Radeon cards are.

>and my current rig is worth more than your easily
>your
>You're just another mad, stupid,
Self-hating Indian-Australian seething, kek'd.
Your 7900 XTX is an abortion even AMD themselves abandoned. Know your place.
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>>107810583
I probably do but I can't be bothered to go through a billion boxes when I could just get a keyboard shipped to my house in less than a day while I binge watch the shield
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>>107810412
i'm aiming to 1440p comfy gayming, forgot to say, but thanks for the info
I looked up stuff and while RTX has better perfomance on linux, its not that much comoared to 5070ti
There's also a key number I managed to observe and correct me if im wrong but the RTX will end up consuming more electricity (W) in the long run, so might as well pay for the 5070ti
also I kinda wnat to playa round with AI and NVIDIA seems to be just better at it it seems, specially the new video stuff, though not a dealbreaker I can just pay for NAI once in a while
I'm also mainly a console gamer, for now, but if I cant get physical games I plan to get that on steam and maybe just keep it pc/switch2
Im also looking up for a good laptop that is worth it and I can easily just install linux on it, I plan to give my current toaster a good maintenance and change components to give it some more breath, but there's just so much it will be able to take now at 12 years strong
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>>107810621
The moment someone claims they wasted more money on a PC than someone else, they lose. But he's Australian. drunk and upside-down in everything, logic especially.

God, I wish I'd spent less... and stuck to 1 PC.
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>>107810628
>physical games collector
based
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>>107810633
He's reading this thread on an AOC ultrawide 1440p VA monitor, btw.
And claims to be the one who's enjoying the superior gaming experience.
Beyond retarded. It's always AMD fanboys that chimp out like this.
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>>107810635
I also buy music CD's and BDs as well still, I WILL die in that hill,
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>>107810635
I'm going to resurrect my Ship of Theseus PC and use it to play retro games. I still have a ton of physical media games. Will Windows XP run on an 8700K?
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>>107810624
>>107810624
>>107810624
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>>107810640
I paid $210 for a 5700x3d, but that was in the Before Times. I'm not sure how to feel, either.
>>107810643
He's a rage-tard. Only happy when he's angry. Me, I can't be bothered. AMD, Intel, Nvidia, whatever makes ya happy. Pros and cons for each and my opinion is as worthless as Aussie-boy's.
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>>107810667
>whatever makes ya happy
A true /pcbg/ patrician approaching pure Zen in form has appeared!
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>>107810667
I wish I had went with AM4 but when I built it back in 2022 I was just trying to get up and running for cheap
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>>107810649
probably
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>>107809963
Better than what DLSS performance at 1440p used to look.
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>>107810628
For me the only dealbreaker for AMD would be the lack of gsync pulsar (very specific CRT tism), AI video / image gen is better on nvidia, and doubtful VR support (more AMD linux developers than nvidia).
I don't think you would care, but I should note that you can't install steam OS on a nvidia GPU due to some weird stuff.
It doesn't matter, and there is already an distro that mimicks steam OS.
But I wouldn't be surprised if there was something about steam OS that that's cool that gets revealed when the steam machine comes out, but maybe not, I dunno.
Nvidia is a bit more hostile towards linux, they could allow distros to use the proprietary driver in installers (like AMD), but nope (some license requirement or something, I remember some prebuilt company does have the installer but they sell prebuilts with nvidia GPU's which means they are probably paying some sort of royalty already, and laptops needs special drivers / closed source code stuff for battery power management).
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>>107810811
>steam
capitalism at it's finest. maybe i'll buy one for the lulz.

>some license requirement
bingo. nvidia has done this for many years now, it's old news and it cockblocks the linux community. why should they care when it's a drop in the bucket as far as market numbers go?
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>>107807912
I cant find anything lower than $400 in my country, besides a B570 for $260 is this a half decent deal nowadays?

1080p waitmer still using a gtx 1060 btw
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>>107810954
It's about as good as an RX 7600 if the Intel Arc drivers work.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-arc-b570-challenger/31.html
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>>107813036
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>>107807948
My coils are already pressed against by the heatsink with thermal pads from factory.
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kek amdshillanon early started a thread and it got pruned in favor of another so we have 3 generals happening

>>107813176
>>107813176
>>107813176
real non-biased and more friendly thread



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