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occurred to me late to turn off zero rpm and set a custom fan curve for the ssd under my card and temps dropped from 55 to 30 on idle. might be worth looking into a case that supports bottom fans for even more airflow, innit

>>107823909
NVMe drives actually put more wear on NAND cells at lower temps, 50-60C is kinda the sweetspot. 35C isn't bad, but you're putting additional wear (slight) on your NAND cells during write operations, and you're running your fans harder which will wear out the bearings sooner.

>>107823856
>1400€
The pg27ucdm started at 1200, I hope they don't Jew out and charge a 200 extra

>>107823947
isnt having the fans constantly turning on and off with 0rpm worse for it than keeping it on 24/7

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>>107823947
huh well shit this was what i was getting earlier at zero rpm so i was kinda alarmed. u saying i can run the drive a little hotter then

>>107823947
That's a bit of a myth with some grains of truth.

Yes around 50C is the "sweet spot", but you don't really start hitting increased wear until you're below 25C, 30-35C is totally fine, and once you actually start doing a sustained write, the drive will almost certainly heat up to the 50C range anyway.

That being said, I wouldn't turn my fans up just to keep my SSD below 50C.

>>107823909
>might be worth looking into a case that supports bottom fans for even more airflow, innit
the o11 has been the default case for a while maybe things changed

>>107823966
it's been 1300€ here since release but close enough
too damn much oncsidering samsung has sold the same panel in the g81sf for 520€

>>107823979
>>107823970
I mean, if you're worried about the fan constantly going on and off I guess you can put it so it idles at 300-400rpm.

I just have noctua fans and generally assume they'll outlive me.

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Thoughts?

>>107824003
not so much the fans im worried about but the drive itself, slotted it in earlier once the rest of the parts i was waiting for arrived and thought to check the temps since the only nvme slot left is under the card. the fans themselves in this case are the ones on the gpu itself since i don't have clearance for bottom fans on my case

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People actually worry about fan bearings? I have fans still going from my Core 2 Duo build...

>>107824013
needs a white psu

>>107824017
Your controller temp >>107823979 here (the highest of the 4 temps), is getting close to thermal throttling (80C), so if that wasn't doing a sustained workload or something, then your fan curve is a decent idea.

Ideally you want the controller temp to stay under 70C even during sustained transfers.

>>107824038
I had like 2-3 fans that came with my antec case clog up stop spinning after like 12 years of non stop use

>>107824038
I just replaced a set of 10 year old thermaltake fans where the bearings were obviously failing, constant squealing when turned on. They still ran, but they were obviously dying.

>>107824042
SHUT UP

>>107824046
yea that 77c was completely idle, would definitely have been even higher if i didn't pick up a heatsink alongside it

>>107824058
wtf r u asking our thoughts for then bithc

>>107824013
nightmare to manage even when it's done

>>107824038
the only fans with shit bearings i've used so far is lian li's LCD fans
without fail it starts rattling within 3-9 months of usage and I RMA'd them 9 times out of the 7 fans that I bought (2 RMA'd fans were RMA replacements)

>>107824064
If that thing has a heatsink, are you sure you peeled off the sticker/cover on the thermal pad?

>>107824113
ya both sides

>>107824117
Fair enough, if you want to be extra safe, do a stress test to observe your peak temps under load.

CrystalDiskMark, set it for 9 runs, change the test size to 64GB and keep hwinfo open to observe the controller temp.

Ideally you don't want to see the controller go above 80C or the other 3 temps go above 70C.

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>>107824013
What is it amateur hour in here?

>>107824048
>>107824054
>>107824112
I just have a bunch of 120mm fans either from old coolers or bundled with cases that I didnt use etc. If a fan fails I just swap it out with one from teh closet. I just never thought about what if a fan fails...
Just worried about my ram and gpu these days...

>>107824146
I spent $400 on new fans in 2025.

5x 140mm G2 $40 each ($200)
1x 120mm G2 $30
NH-D15 G2 $170 (came with 2 more 140mm G2 fans).

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>>107824143
toasty

>>107824226
Nvme peaked in gen 3. I still have a couple gen 3 4tb drives that I use which don't require heatsinks and controller stays in the 60s under load. The speed is still plenty for anything realistically.

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>lost the coil whine lottery
>lost the vram lottery

JFUMS

>>107824226
that ssd isnt long for this world

>>107824306
the hynix g6 chip has tighter timing straps and makes the gpu run 2% faster

>>107824226
At 87C on the controller, it was almost certainly thermal throttling itself to keep it from hitting 90C + (where it could damage itself permanently).

So yeah, adjust your fans up, or see if you can get a fan that points directly at your drive or something. Or just be aware your drive can't sustain long write operations.

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>Haha, we couldn't do it
>We'll take it back
>Here's your refund... in 7 days
>money stolen
Just put it in the bank today scumbags so I can buy a new one, wtf.
>>107822599
>>107822599

>>107824325
oh no yea this was purely for extra storage

>>107824315
>>107824259
and some cheapo nv3 at that, reckon it won't see much abuse on my end since it's for gaymen

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>>107824306
Awh fuck.
NO.

>>107824335
Contact support and ask for interest on the loan you're giving them.

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Fucking chinks, they can't even advertise an adapter right by showing it's not one 4-pin to two 4-pins as opposed to 4 pin to 4+3 pin. Paid 8$ for 3 of these.

>ram prices starting to go down
i demand an apology from all the faggot doomers screaming about ram never being made again.

>>107824368
As always waitgods win

>>107824368
yet gpu go up

>>107824338
Yeah that'll probably be fine

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>>107824013
>>107824144
goml

>>107824368
It's not being made. Not in the same amount as before. Just buy in the dip.

>>107824306
>>107824341
What am I looking at here? And how do you make those graphs

>>107824368
Proofs?

Need a voice of reason. I got a 5070ti and 64gb of ram being held at the store for a day. Do I buy in now, or wait for the rumored 60 series in 2027?

>>107824489
60 Series will probably be next year.
No idea if it will be any good.
No idea how much it will be.

Use this information wisely.

>>107824489
one does not simply wait 12 months to get 10% more performance

Is it worth upgrading from a RTX 3060 to a RTX 5070?

Hey, Anons. I want to build my first PC. I don't really know what I'm doing, but this is what I would have put together based on recommendations: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mZP7Dj
How bad of a job did I do? Give it to me straight.

Between a low profile cooler and a 240mm AIO it's probably better to go for the AIO right?
Also how hard can I cheap out on an AIO cooler?

>>107824536
that power supply is for smaller pcs and you could get away with a b850 motherboard instead

If you want to reduce NVME temps then enable ASPM in your BIOS and OS. It's under Power Plan in Windows as PCIE.

>>107824536
>Ayyymd
No.

>>107824536
have you boughted?

>>107824554
Thanks.
>>107824567
No. As I said, I don't know much. That's why I wanted to come here before I actually buy anything.

>>107824542
X47 Copper cooler + 2 exhaust fans is supposedly good enough to avoid using an AIO. I went with the cheaper AIO route though because my case supports it and it's fine. I turn down the pump curve to 20% during idle temperatures so I don't hear pump while internet browsing.

>>107824536
>9900X
So-so. Not a bad pick for productivity. But, if you want gaming, go for the 9800X3D or 7800X3D.

>Liquid Freezer III
It's good. Nothing wrong with it as an AIO, but kinda overkill. You can get perfectly good thermals with a Peerless Assassin on a 9800X3D these days. AIOs used to be the shit a few years ago, but now air coolers are a bit more popular just for being simple and cheap.

>X870E Aorus Elite
Not a bad pick. You could go for something a little cheaper, or just a X870 (Minus the E) board if you only intend to run a single M.2. But, it's a nice board.

>Crucial Pro 32GB/CL46
Wouldn't go with this. CL46 is slow and, 5600MHz is on the low end. RAM sucks right now, and if you're using an X3D chip, the effects of slow RAM is mostly mitigated. If it's all you can get, it's fine. But, really you want 6000MHz and a CL of lower than 40.

>Samsung 990 Pro
Nothing wrong with this. There's maybe some cheaper stuff out there. But, Samsung is reputable and people like their SSDs. It's a gen 4, you can spend more and get a gen 5. But, honestly, the transfer speeds are useless unless you're a video editor or something.

>5070Ti
Probably the better pick right now after the new DLSS announcement. 9070XT is a close and cheaper competitor. But, I think in the long run, the 5070Ti will be relevant for longer.

>Shadowbase 800 DX
Nigga the fuck you spending $305 on a case for?

>Corsair SF850
No reason to get the SF model. SF is "Smal Form", it's for ITX cases. You're paying more because it's smaller, basically. Not a bad PSU though.

Overall:
Get a cheaper case. Use that money to go for a 9800X3D and better RAM.

>>107824581
yeah its from ideal. the cpu is mediocre at all things and the board's i/o allocation is pretty bad. if you're just gaming then consider getting the 9800x3d and a b850 motherboard like the b850 aorus elite. gigabyte x870e's are plagued with horrendous lane sharing unless you go for the new x870e x3d refresh boards
the memory kit is ok but will be better if you can get 2x16gb 6000cl36 or 6000cl30 without paying too much more (not always possible today)

>>107824529
Yes, I did 3070Ti to 5070 the other day, night and day.

>>107824603
This is going into an ITX case cooling a 5700x3d, between price and noise I think the AIO is probably the better choice, the case can fit a 240 or even 280mm radiator.
Only concern is lack of airflow around the CPU? But the case also has fans on the bottom already.

>>107824366
anon you can't just short multiple rpm sense pins and expect the readings to make any sense.

>>107824542
Every AIO cooler is good in terms of cooling temperatures, even the cheap $50-80 ones. But make sure you do research on which AIO has inaudible pump noise during idle before you buy.

DDR5 Bros?!
https://youtu.be/4rwp0NuqDlw?t=1042

>>107824633
My A4-H2O has no fans except for the 2 AIO fans. CPU temperatures are below 70C at 750 RPM fan speed for my -30 PBO 5700X3D.

>>107824664
good thing ive had a fan on my ram since the ddr4 days lmao

>>107824664
it's high latency 5200mhz ram so it should be fine.

>>107824664
I just have the front top mounted fan in my case as in intake instead of exhaust to direct air directly onto my RAM DIMMs.

N00b here, just wondering, could this be the lowest ram will ever cost again? Because of AI?

>>107824754
idk but I'm eyeing chink ram

>>107824038
Holy shit
From a thumbnail it looked like someone made out of cables crawling from a PC case

>>107824754
if ram is being bought at Xtreme prices then the ram manufacturers will do something eventually to increase supply to make more money
maybe chinese ram takes off

AI investment wont go on forever when the indians wont buy expensive subs, open ai is currently subsidizing them

>>107824616
Thanks a lot. I'm retarded for not mentioning that I would primarily use it for playing games. I'm assuming those 2 options are also better than the 9950X then, right? How are Noctua NH-D15 over Peerless Assassin? I also should have mentioned that I do have a big enough budget. I also considered a 5080 to be honest. I'll make sure to get 6000MHz and a CL of lower than 40 for RAM.
>Nigga the fuck you spending $305 on a case for?
Coz I'm stupid. It was really just the first one that seemed fine.
>>107824619
I'll check out the b850 and x870e x3d and look for better RAM. Thank you.

>>107824771
>the ram manufacturers will do something eventually to increase supply to make more money
The "big" 3 have basically confimed they wont be increasing supply anytime soon because they're worried if they drastically increase capacity, then the AI bubble pops, they'll be left holding billions of dollars worth of product without enough demand to pay for it all.

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>>107824368
you're right lol, these were over $500 just yesterday

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>>107824664
should i worry?

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These adapters cables are almost as stiff as my shaft when girlfriend hugs me like these zip ties. Any suggestions on how I should route them?

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>>107824368
>>107824793
Liar

>>107824368
>>107824793
>Okay let me check
>32gb 6000c30 was 500€ at retailer before it's now gone up to 660€
Yep, it's over
It's even fucking worse
Pcbg niggas talked me out of buying the last cheap ram left on Amazon In the world
It's over

>>107824797
hynix a-die wants to be 65c or below
hynix m-die wants to be 80c or below

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>>107824793
>>107824368
>>107824817
You sit on a throne of lies

>>107824754
Ram cycles goes in periods up and down as always
Now you wait until the next dip
Or It's over it won't get better ever

>>107824824
Wrong

16Gb A-Die does like 65C or below, and 50-55C is your "target" temp.
24Gb M-Die (not 16Gb M-die) is also fine at higher temps, but 80C is still very high and really you'd want to target ~65-70C at most.


Both technically are rated for 85C, but we all know that's bullshit.

>>107824793
CL36 and CL38 might be slightly better but you're gonna be paying out the ass for CL28 or 30 still

>>107824776
7800X3D and 9800X3D are both better than the 9950X for gaming.
The X3D thing is basically just a big cache which gaming uses a lot.

As for Noctua NH-D15 vs Peerless Assassin.
Noctua is better. But, it's like 5x the price. And it's more like 20% better.

>>107824489
Buy the GPU wait on the RAM unless you absolutely need 64gb or it's a crazy deal.

>>107824632
>3070Ti
My condolences. I too had one.

>>107824850
>>107824824
DDR5 influenced chassi so much that top intake is now a must compared to aio out flow there

>>107824797
>5200C40
>1.25 VDD
nein

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>>107824664
60% of it in use
1 game in backgrond, firefox with 10 tabs+chrome open lol

You literally cannot overheat and cook your RAM if you aren't pushing tight as cunny timings and or use a shit case with 0 airflow
it just cannot happen

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>>107824908
shush

IPS BROS WON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRxzGyxJIbA

>>107824974
you can easily cook your ram if you have a 400-600W air cooled gpu and if your ram is double sided

>>107824664
>>107824960
>>107824797
what are u guys checking

>>107825007
dram temps. i did it unter load>>107824797

How much RAM will be enough for foreseeable future?
Will 32GB last me 5 years?

Since everyone is talking about ram
>Corsair Vengeance RGB 5.43.13
Do I have Hynix A-die or M-die?

>>107824995
wonder how usable it is at 60fps or down to the 46fps or whatever the firmware update later will allow
sub 100hz should show flickering to your eye so idk

>>107825023
depends on the game and memory leak status
maybe maybe not
also more vram helps
nobody in their right mind would settle for 32gb at the current ddr prices before
but now 32gb is the holy grail due to poorfags starting to cope and ask if 16 is still doable

>>107825023
enough unless you're doing 4k/6k editing n home AI shiet

>>107825023
Perfect middle ground now is 48GB
windows used too much memory desu

>>107825032
16gbit m-die

>>107825032
1st gen M-die (not the 2nd Gen M-die being talked about here >>107824824 >>107824850 )

1st gen M-Die tends to cap out at ~6400Mhz maybe 6600Mhz on good IC.

>>107825068
You can push them to ~7200Mhz with golden ICs, but generally you'll want them for Ryzen 9000/7000 where they'll want to sit at 6000MHz CL30 all day anyway.

>>107825068
i member people doing 7200mhz on those on 12900K's and 1DPC boards
the reasonable upper limit is probably 6800mhz or so and at much higher voltages than what A-die needs

>>107825023
I've never seen more that 18gb used in even cyber punk maxed in every way. If you game 32gb will be enough. If you are just gaming 32gb will be fine for 5 years. Speed will benefit you more than quantity.

>>107825064
>>107825068
I've never overlocked ram before so this is new to me.
Can my 6000 CL40 40-40-40-77 Hynix 1st gen M-die be overclocked to CL32 or CL30? Will be paired with 7800X3D or even a 9800X3D in the near future

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>>107825108
>I've never seen more that 18gb used
You don't ever do stuff in the background while you're gaming?

Pic related was me playing GTA5 yesterday while watching youtube on my 2nd monitor and seeding torrents in the background.

>>107825128
Its very similar to A-die except that it doesnt scale as well above 7000mhz.
>https://kemono.cr/patreon/user/887888/post/118445352
Plug the timings in the v0.2 sheet in and it should be good to go. Run tREFI looser (i.e. NOT 65535) if you don't have a fan blowing on your ram

>>107825033
Well currently at 75 fps there is 0 flicker so its looking good, im unironically sucking dicks for money if i need to but im 100% getting one of these, CRT level clarity on fighting games is gonna be the most kino thing ever

>>107825128
Sure

6000MHz CL 30-36-36-80 (final number is irrelevant on 9000 series Ryzen, but lower tRAS (the final number there) can cause instability, so I usually just set it to 70+).

Set your tREFI to 40,000 or 50,000 if you have decent cooling in your case
Set your tRFC to 450-500

You might need to go up to ~1.35V but it should be perfectly safe for M-die.


I'd probably do
6000MHz
CAS: 30
tRCD: 36
tRP: 36
tRAS: 80
tREFI: 45,000
tRFC: 480
VDD: 1.35V
VDDQ: 1.35V
VSOC: 1.15V
VDDIO: 1.15V
VDDP: 0.95V

>>107825179
VSOC might need a bump up to 1.2V or 1.25V, but otherwise that looks solid, and a decently binned CPU should be fine on 1.15V.

>>107825152
Okay so I should try the "easy" column. What does value "XMP/EXPO" imply? It sounds like default/auto but shouldn't I want something tighter like 30

>>107825179
I'm looking for super safe plug and play numbers that someone else already invested dozens of autism hours into it, so I might use the pdf instead, thanks though

>>107825292
Yes use the easy column timings or bz lazy
You can try cl28 if you increase VDD to 1.45v. leave tRP and tRCD at 38. 36 might work but you'll need to stress test it

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Anons I have a problem. I ordered a prebuilt PC because I was sure my build was fucked and decided to just get something already built but it turns out my build works perfectly after all and an old cable fucked me over initially. So I intend to keep my build.

The problem is that the store sent me the pre built PC and it's coming on monday. The kicker is that I haven't paid for it and they just sent it to me. It's on it's way. I was supposed to pay for it using a normal bank transfer but since it was the weekend I haven't put the transfer order yet and they sent the PC anyway. It's a big electronics corporation and I bought my PC parts from them. I buy pretty much everything from them but they never made such a mistake.

What do I do? First time I'm in such a situation.

>>107825338
Sounds like you got a free pc

>>107825292
>I'm looking for super safe plug and play numbers that someone else already invested dozens of autism hours into it, so I might use the pdf instead, thanks though
Anon, my timings are based on buildzoids and are litearlly 100% plug and play safe.

Feel free to compare them to buildzoids, he just throws more voltage on there cause he doesn't give a fuck about the longevity of your RAM, he's just making it stable for even bad ICs, hence his higher voltage values.

>>107825338
If you're a good person, contact them on monday and tell them the mistake, and refuse delivery from the delivery person and tell them to return it to the sender.

If you're not a good person, hey free PC.

>>107824632
>Yes, I did 2020 VRAMlet to 2025 VRAMlet the other day, same mid-term outlook.

>>107825388
Meh

3070Ti for $750 during the GPU market hellscape that was COVID pricing

5070 for $530 during the RAMpocolypse.

I'll live.

>>107824850
hynix a-die wants to be 65c or below
hynix m-die wants to be 80c or below
from gamers nexus: https://youtu.be/---fHu9jFtw?t=823

>retards still don't understand how caching works
>free ram is wasted ram
Look it up, retards. But you'll never change, /pcbg/

>>107824038
Bro, one of my friend's PC's had his noctua CPU cooler fans flipped to face each other and the fan bearings still didn't fail. If turning your heat sink into a turbulence chamber doesn't cause enough stress to cause modern case bearings to fail, you basically don't have to worry about it.

>>107825388
kek

>>107825131
Did you not read, "If you are just gaming 32gb will be fine for 5 years."

>>107825406
Anon, you're posting limits, not a safe operating range.

As I said, Hynix A-die wants to OPERATE at ~50-60C
Hynix M-die (2nd generation, not 1st) wants to operate at ~55-65C. MAYBE 70C if you're pushing it and have direct airflow.

At 85C you'll throw errors quickly, at 70C you MIGHT throw errors after 5+ hours
at 50-60C, you probably wont throw errors even in a 10+ hour torture test.

>>107825440
Yes, but no one is "just gaming" on a modern desktop.

>>107825023
If you just game and don't do things in the background, 32 GB is plenty. I pretty regularly end up with 40ish gb used when I'm running simulation trials while doing other work in the background (some browser tabs open, and vs code for some markdown or something).

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>>107825353
>>107825386
Fuck. I am a good person.

>>107825464
Sounds like you'll be purchasing from them again in the future, i'd rather keep a good relationship going with a local retailer.

But up to you anon, free is nice.

>>107825338
They'll come after you with collections

What do ya'll think?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FNKNkf

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>>107825360
>>107825179

Not that anon who first asked but am I safe to use your timings for my RAM?
Funny how someone else here has the same Corsair Ram as me!

>>107825492
No reason to get an SF (small form) PSU for that case. Get something better and normal / cheaper or high quality for price. Use hwbuster to see 2025 top pick PSUs.

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>>107825481
>>107825488
I'll do the right thing. It's probably asking for problems if I try to keep it. Thanks anons.

>>107825492
that power supply is for smaller pcs and you could get away with a b760 motherboard

>>107825508
32GB DIMMs are harder to get stable due to being dual rank DIMMs instead of single rank DIMMs, so they're denser packed chips that have more heat in the same area.

tldr; you'd potentially need to reduce the tREFI and tRFC (30,000-40,000 and 500 respectively), and then run your VDD/VDDQ at 1.4V instead of 1.35V, and increase the VSOC to 1.2 or 1.25V

>>107825543
>b760
Technically possible but he's getting an unlocked CPU so not advisable

>>107825543
Are those MB newer?
What's wrong with having a smaller PSU? Seems like you could get more airflow in the case, and it's somewhat inexpensive

Is it worthwhile to upgrade my GPU to a Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT NITRO+?
I mostly play counterstrike and my monitors are 1440p.
My current system is:
Cpu - Ryzen 7 7800X3D
MB - Rog Strix B650E-F
Ram - 64gb ram
Gpu - Asrock Rx 6750 xt
Thanks lads

I'm thinking of upgrading from a 2070S to a 5070 Ti
where can I find shit on stock and not extremely over msrp?

>>107825569
you could try setting cs2 to 720p lowest settings and see how many frames you get on that cpu alone without a gpu bottleneck. and see how many frames a 9070xt can muster with the fastest cpus on the market. and compare.

>>107825582
if you have a brick store like micro center near you try that, otherwise lol

>>107825546
Should I just try EXPO and if that doesn't work try what you suggested from your post and that v0.2 PDF?

>>107825582
Too late to get a 5070 Ti for MSRP. You'll be paying at least $75 over

>>107825567
Smaller PSU is not a tradeoff you want unless you literally are doing an mATX or ITX SFF build.

>>107825617
The issue with EXPO is it usually puts stupidly low values in for tREFI and tRFC, like 10,000 or 15,000 and 800, respectively.


You can try it, but the manual tuning will get you "free" performance.

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>>107825620
>5070Ti go for 1200$+ in my country

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>manage to zip tie all 3 fans perfectly this time with an improved method
>forgot to route the power cables between the fans
I pity the fool!

>>107825569
No

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>>107825652
>>manage to zip tie all 3 fans perfectly this time with an improved method

>>107825679
I haven't cut them yet. I was referring to the alignment and resting position being flat.

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>>107825338
>should I commit crimes or not

>>107825822
you wouldn’t download more ram

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>can't afford housing because too expensive
>it's fine I'll just postpone starting AdultLife and be a FamilyMan(tm) until money situation is fixed
>can't afford pc to cope with situation due to ram is too expensive
>it's fine I'll just postpone building a pc for 5 years and wait
>can't get a job because no one is hiring
>it's fine I'll just wait until this blows over and prolong starting my life
everything will be fine

>>107824368
No way it was gonna last that long. It started to slow to a crawl weeks ago already
These kinds of things are always overhyped

You aren't gonna be able to sell your 2000 5090 for 6000 either

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Even the biggest AMD Shill has surrender to DLSS 4.5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFhiXX11Omw

>>107824456
How do you know when the dip is

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it's so over...

>>107825909
Me for 8 years
I just built my PC
I may get a job soon

To be honest now that I have the PC I don't really want the job anymore I just want to play on my new pc

>>107825992
I will own nothing and be unhappy

>>107825917
He's lying anyway, prices haven't gone down at all appreciably.
see >>107824817 & >>107824827

>>107825926
Not even mentioning G-Sync Pulsar. You'd have to be stupid not to buy NVIDIA.

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>>107825926
lmao

>>107825947
It's right when all of pcbg says there is no dip.

>>107826026
I mean, you do know we can all see the prices and there are websites that track day to day pricing as well...right?

Unless you can visual the dip on a chart, it doesn't exist, and right now all the charts are either flat, or going up. No dip.

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>>107826048
>No dip.
It's time.

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I can't take waiting for this montior anymoooooooore
They better be busy fixing the grey banding issue

And now it's completely delisted from Amazon not even a date or price anymore.

>>107825926
>biggest amd shill
Honestly I think HWUB is a close contender
Tim just said DLSS 4 didn't get much love despite the fact that EVERYONE who actually used it noted that you can upscale from a lower resolution with higher performance (with an RTX 40 or 50 series card) and better image quality than a higher resolution with the previous model. Full on lying

>>107826072
>ignore the price history, ignore the fact none of the RAM is any lower than a week ago
oh okay

I'm glad I bought 3-4 weeks ago before you retards got here.

if dlss is so great why does everyone chimp out everytime the make a new version and say that the old one is complete trash?

>>107826073
Just wait for the Asus range in like a month.

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>G-Sync Pulsar
IPS only for now. Has anyone on this general actually tried it?

I remember trying ULMB a while back and it gave me a headache so I never wanted to try it again.

>>107826097
dyac and dyac+ on zowie screens is black magic for motion clarity but you have to use a tn screen which sucks balls.

>>107826092
>why does everyone compare the new thing to the old thing and talk about how much better the new thing is than the old thing?
>Obviously that means the old thing was always bad the entire time
are you retarded?

>>107826110
>dyac and dyac+ / ulmb and elmb
are all dogwater for games that isn't CSGO

frames need to be equal to refresh rate at all times or it doesn't work

>>107826025
Radeon lost massive amounts of goodwill due to the shilling of inferior products with no future by propaganda factories like HWUB. A large percentage of the people who were duped into buying RX 5000, 6000, and 7000 cards are at least smart enough to understand just how robbed they were, which is why RX 9000 is selling so poorly, when arguably RX 9000 is much better than the previous RDNA generations, even if it's still substantially behind even RTX 40

>>107826162
Radeon will win simply because Nvidia is going to leave the consumer market

xx90 and xx60 is already being retired. 16gb vram will be higher end

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Oh so this is just the perfect monitor then. I hope the local dimming algorithm is good.

>>107826119
well every time i read a comparison it just says that the old version had issues with this and that, and that they have fixed it with this new version. then a new version comes out and now we have those new old problems with the then new and now old version. it's all positivity, and the cons only get used to make the new thing sound even better.

>IPS

Why are Lian Li fans so fucking expensive?

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>>107826265
because they want you to buy arctic p14 pro fans

>>107826275
Do they come with RGB?

>>107826284
they are not for fags.

>NO 5090 astral OC cards on sale at Amazon now, even the LC version sold out when it was available last week

Jesus christ this AI bubble needs to die, I want a good card for my PC

>>107826190
blooming, glow, smaer (altho ips so less than va), earlier death than oled due to high heat (catastrophic failure (confirmed by rtings((inb4 monitors are not tvs))), dimming not usable in sdr desktop due to artifact type shit so no contrast in deskto,
pre emptively shitting on evertyhing
maybe i am wrong, maybe I am just schizophrenic rambling? maybe. maybe.

>>107826092
No one besides shitposting fags. DLSS 2 SR was very good, 1440p Quality and 4K Balanced usually looking as good or better than full resolution TAA while being faster, and future revisions have only improved image quality and performance at a particular level of image quality

Why are AMDfags so bitter? It's not our problem you were too poor to go for quality

>>107826180
>obsessively brings up vram
Easy to see you were one of the duped ones who's not smart enough to know it

>>107826292
Where is an innocent homosexual supposed to buy fans for a decent price then?

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These SSD prices are jumping around like crazy. If you need storage or think you're going to need storage and don't want a hard drive best keep an eye on those prices.

Seagate FireCuda 530R 2TB $195-325
Crucial P5 Plus 2TB $180-300
Corsair MP600 Elite 2TB $200-275

Patriot Memory Viper VP4300 Lite seems to be stay around ~$200

>>107824862
>>107824507
>>107824500
Picked up the gpu. 5070ti asus tuf for $870
Thanks

>>107826340
I got a samsung 2TB one last week for MSRP but now they are all gone.

>>107826350
The 6 series might not even be next year but in 2 years. They are bringing back the 3060 and cancelled 5 series supers this year.

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I really should have checked to see if I cleared the PCIE slots first before I tied the rest of the fans...

>>107826203
Yes, welcome to reality. We always have to deal with the limitations of what we currently have due to the limits of tech, when those limits get passed, we then have a new thing people want to buy, and they compare it to the old thing, and the specific areas it improved.

It has been happening with TVs since the 1950s quite visibly if you want an example to look at.

A 1950s TV wasn't bad for 1950, but it sure as fuck can't be directly compared to a TV from 2000 without a LOT of context.

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Turns out I didn't need to ziptie the fan closest to the expansion bracket, the other two squeeze hard enough. Does sag a bit thougu so I'll need to support it somehow. And hopefully it fully seated the PCIE slot with the fan cable adapters in the back.

>>107826439
>>107826545
What are you doing?

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this just looks wrong. what is going on?

>>107826553
his sex life but in computer building form

>>107826589
Elaborate foreplay and bondage with his girlfriend?

>>107826565
virus

>>107826545
where are your pcie slot screws? it cant be that hard to find some? you can even buy spares on ebay.

>>107826340
crucial ssds will go up until they simply disappear. I am VERY glad i got my build finalised early last year. I just hope my abuse of my 4tb samsung ssd wont kill it with all my torrenting and deleting etc.

Even if i get RMA'd, im sure samsung would insist on refunding me on purchase value, so i get cucked having to pay more than double for the same product ~2 years later lmao.

Holy crap, 5080s are out of stock everywhere. You couldn't give these cards away in 2025.

>>107826978
>5080s are out of stock everywhere
Still see ASUS cards available on Amazon

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>>107826978
>out of stock everywhere
4 u

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>>107824306
wow that runs hot!

>>107826978
>You couldn't give these cards away in 2025.
If that were true (relative to the volume available), they would have been under MSRP, but in fact they were usually more expensive, so no

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if i have a 7800x3d and a 9070 what kind of monitor should i be looking at
one of my friends made fun of me when he found out i dropped a bunch of money on a computer and still had a 1080p monitor

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>>107823873
>Be intel boomer still running a 6600k
>Bloat has gotten that bad just running a few tabs of Firefox uses 70% of the CPU
>Don't want to hand over cash for overpriced ddr5
>Buy a wellpriced 5800x3d from chinkland
>Intend to reuse my slowass ddr4
>Source a well priced B550 strix board
>Already ordered the Noctua mounting adaptor for AM4
>My 14 years old NH-D14 is still going strong
>4 weeks pass and the chinkland 5800x3d still hasn't arrived
>Have I been scammed?
>Package from chinkland finally arrives
>I start disassembly my pc and transplant the new parts in
>I can't for the life of my workout how to get the backplate to fit with noctua's mounts
>Did Noctua send me the wrong mounting kit?
>Am I retarded?
>Discover online am4 requires a different backplate to the one I have
>Rookie mistake
I had to dish out £10 to bezos for a next day am4 backplate. I cant wait any longer to build this new system and still need to ascertain if this 5800x3d is even real.

>>107827046
Assuming you're not a freetard, you are poor, so the AOC Q27G3XMN or variant. Still a good monitor even though it's cheap

>>107827002
>>107826978
>500$+ over 5070 Ti , but only 15-20% more powerful
I'm glad I'm getting old.

>>107827071
i don't know what a freetard is but i'm not poor
i'll look at the q27g3 but what is my higher end option(s)

>>107827075
Then why do you have a 9070
Not worth buying a 4K OLED for it in my opinion

>>107827066
>>Bloat has gotten that bad just running a few tabs of Firefox uses 70% of the CPU
Dude I have a 4770K system with 16G DDR3 , 15 tabs in Chrome and I barely pull 5GB ram usage.
Then again I'm using Win8.1 on that system.

You are bait or doing something wrong.

>>107827095
is a 9070 bad it's in the OP for 4k

>>107827075
freetard means using Linux (which plays better with AMD components)

>>107827108
oh. no i'm running the cracked windows 10 from the op links

>>107827104
Can't run native 4K in a lot of games, and FSR 4 often isn't available
Also
>op
Literally has a line about avoiding Nvidia cards so how accurate do you think it is?

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>>107827095
>>107827104
>>107827129
nm it was the 9070xt
>Literally has a line about avoiding Nvidia cards so how accurate do you think it is?
idk mang

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i ordered a 5090 (aorus master ice). i installed it on my computer (along a rm1200e from corsair) and it would boot into a black screen. i tried using display port and hdmi, i tried only 1 monitor, i tried a 1080p monitor (i have 2x 1440p and 1x 1080p). nothing worked. the card lights up, the gay lcd screen on the side shows an animation or whatever, the fans spin up, everything appears to be in order but i just get a black screen. i can't even get to the bios

is there anything i can do about this? i used the corsair rm1200e 12vhpwr cables with it (instead of the gpu adapter that came with it), but i don't think that's the problem. is there anything that can be done besides testing with the other adapter? i have a 4080 and it's working fine with the same setup. i literally booted the 5090, black screen, took it out, put the 4080 and it worked fine. i updated my motherboard bios to the latest version to, that didn't change anything

i think i got a defective card

>>107827134
mobo troubleshooting leds?

>>107827149
the led turned white on both. as far as i can tell, there weren't any differences

>>107827134
Put it in the other PCIe slot, works 99% of the time

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>>107827046
cheap 1440p AOC's are usually a good buy. But you could always go for the ultimate, get yourself something special, get an ultrawide.

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>GeForce RTX 5090, 5080, 5070 Ti and even 5060 Ti are now sold in blower-style designs for AI farms
bestest cooling design ever. wish they could sell it here too for consumers

>>107827186
the ultrawides are the curved monitors right? there's some people at work who have them but i'm really not sure i'd like it

>>107827134
>>107827179
Then you can swap it back to the main slot. Also you can try clearing CMOS, but swapping slots has historically worked better for me

>>107827134
Same thing happened to me on the first and second attempts with my new 9070 XT. I just removed it and reseated the card twice and it worked just fine afterwards.

>>107827187
Isn't that basically an FE design?
Also why did they stop making these sort of designs? I remember my GPUs from 15 years ago being like this.

>>107827205
My first GPU was a reference card r9 290. god damn that shit got hot

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>>107827205
Blower cards are loud

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>dummies still buying 9000 series card even after AMD admitting that fsr5 won’t be supported on them
I guess I shouldn’t be bashing too much seeing as how I bought a 7900xt, but it’s kinda sad to see them making the same mistake I did early on

>>107827205
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o

holy fuck I wasn't here all day because I was actually playing games

I will not be making that mistake again

>>107827252
ah brings back good memories, still have that thing stored somewhere in my closet

reposting from last night, thanks to the anon that suggested lenove, ill look stuff now but again

since the ram fucks a lot with my 5070 ti build budget, for now
any good/recommended laptop brands nowadays? I've been using a HP for 12 years now and it's been a true warrior, but dunno the current state of HP, so I can go and research if they have problems with Linux etc
thanks in advance ill check the thread later

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Blackwell Won and It wasn't even close

NVIDIA says no super series - there's no point no competition

RDNA4 is the FIRST AMD Gen in 5 YEARS to make Nvidia feel NO COMPETITION

RTX 20 series - 16 series and Super refresh from competition
RTX 30 series - fuckton of cards released at every possible price point
RTX 40 series - Super refresh
RTX 50 series - NOTHING JUST TOTAL GODMAN DOMINATION

Blowes are actually the superior cooling solution, the only downside is noise.

>>107827230
Trying to set the bar low? It's not going to be an FSR 4 vs pre RX 9000 situation, because RX 9000 has dedicated ML hardware finally. Still not a good idea to buy RX 9000 unless there is a huge price gap, a gap the likes of which we have not seen yet

>>107827312
They are constrained to 2 slots with small heatsink. Imagine a 4 slot blower with vapor chamber, heatpipes, tall fin stack and thick fan, it might not be that loud after all.

>>107827307
I'm certain that if you keep reposting this, after the 135th time, the entire world will share your little opinion on what brands you like.

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How the fuck did we devolve to the point where there are now a hundred settings and combinations? I just want to play the game.

>>107827381
Ahh, the trials and tribulations of being a gamer with mild autism, coupled with OCD.

>>107827381
>I just want to play the game.
consoles won

>How the fuck did we devolve to the point where there are now a hundred settings and combinations?
just go with nvidias recommendations

and again
>I just want to play the game.
true that people fiddling around with settings are not human, some people actually care about game play and the mechanics not how looking at a glorified 3d graphic and the game being shit and dumped an hour of gameplay

every day we stray further

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>>107827378
There's still another 8% to get
92% is not enough

>play gone home for 10 minutes on my new peesee
>screens turn black and fans whir at 100%
>can't 'wake up' the pc so I restart it
anybody know what caused this? i have a 9800x3d and 5070ti. my power supply cables are properly seated and the temps seem fine.

What part should I upgrade if I want to decrease the load time of opening a folder with a shit ton of files/images?

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>i9-9900K
>RTX 3080
>32GB DDR4 3200MHz CL14
>5.5TB of Samsung SSD space
>everything runs cool and quiet
>open world single player games all run at above 80fps on mix of medium and high at 1440p
>multiplayer games all run at 120fps+ when dialing in competitive settings

It's like I want to upgrade, but it's hard to justify unless I get a 240HZ+ 1440p or 4K 144HZ panel.

>>107827422
Upgrade your NVMe drive to a 5200rpm HDD.

>>107827422
NVME SSD. CPU has to be at least relatively new. I.e. if you're on an ancient PC with a dual core in it, PC gonna chug.

>>107827422
Instal gentoo

>>107827435
I was close to where you are. 8700K, same ram, 3080 ti. CPU was overclocked to 5ghz. I also had a 1tb nvme. Everything ran great.

I finally upgraded to a 13700K rig with the same GPU and nvme. Everything simply ran better and faster. But if you're happy where you're at, ignore the itch to upgrade. Enjoy what you have.

>>107827435
then buy the monitor and upgrade

>>107827475
buddy of mind still has his de-lidded i7-8086k with liquid metal and custom loop. It runs a 24/7 clock of 5.2GHz. If the rumors of the AMD 10800X3D being like 30% faster than the 9800X3D hold even remotely true, it will probably be enough to get us both to upgrade.

I do want to eventually see RAM and GPU prices come down some what because damn shit is wild right now.

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>>107827194
once you go ultrawide, you never go back anon

>>107827406
restart without warning is always power related

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>>107826330
>1080p60
>12gb vram minimum

heh nothing personel ramlet. this is the new normal

>>107827205
blower cards are loud, and cause disruption to airflow in your room with the huge air-venting outside your case. If your case isn't fully dust-proofed, top to bottom, a blower fan will cake the inside of your case with dust quicker than other gpu designs.

Its also a single point of failure, duo and trio fan gpus can survive with a missing fan and some tinkering in the settings, a blower fan gpu with a broken fan is gonna die VERY fast. There's nowhere to vent heat at all once it starts malfunctioning.

>>107827203
i removed it and reseated it like 5x times. it can't be that

>>107827536
it didn't restart, i restarted it manually because my pc wasn't responsive

>>107827422
unironically ditch file explorer. switch to onecommander or linux.

>DLSS 4.5 Preset L Ultra Performance is better than Preset M Performance

Am I being trolled or was that youtuber telling the truth

>>107827558
>screens turn black and fans whir at 100%
which happens without warning causing you to restart, power related.

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>>107827519
Amen.

Is the higher power on a desktop CPU going to let it perform better than a laptop CPU?
I want something that's at least faster than my work laptop's i7-13800H for compilation/productivity.

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Anyone thinks pulsar is a bigger deal than it seem to be, this is the equivalent of modern CRT displays and they work with as low as 48 HZ and locked to nvidia cards

>>107827578
strobing is notorious for eye strain. I'm not sure if it won't be useless for me

>>107827578
when it's on 4k mini leds with 240hz maybe. i could not care less about 1440p

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>>107827572
very nice setup anon, i have a corsair k100 kb+an Ironclaw, great products.

How bad is the whining on the lancool 207? Is it a guaranteed thing or a lottery?

>>107827573
>Is the higher power on a desktop CPU going to let it perform better than a laptop CPU?
obviously
unless the laptop cpu is generations ahead ofc

>>107827578
I mean it's strobing improoved with less fafo'ing

>>107827597
never will happen the backlight is designed to turn off and on the backlight in that rolling motion, it's not compatible with dimming backlight algos

>>107827630
all those budget lian li cases are noisy made of thin ass sheet metal

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>>107827519
Me on the right

>>107827566
Well at 4k you have enough base resolution to reconstruct most of the image and have enough tempora stability so its a useful preset, i doubt its look better than M on all games though as the image will be softer and some games have tie up Lods, denoising and geometry tied to interla resolution but if the game itself does have proper downscaling to 720p then i would say preset L ultra performance should be competitive with M on performance on dlss 4.5, you better wait until we get RR model for DLSS 4.5 though, as you'll need a proper denoiser in order for certain reflections to not look low resolution and to denoise the flickering on RT, overall i will say that there is a good chance 4k ultra performance wtith the RR may be the way to go depending on how it goes, at the moment i would still stick to performance unless you are on a 5070 or 5060 ti 16gb in which case i think ultra performance 4k using DLDSR look better than performance/ with preset M at 1440p, the question really comes towards preset M balance on 1440p vs ultra performance L on 4k for these cards in which case it will realy come down to personal preference and game by game, overall if you have a 1440p monitor and a 5060 ti or 5070 i think DLDSR to 4k so you get 4k image quality on your 1440p display is the way to go

>>107827637
>can't work with oleds
>can't work with mini led ips
>can't work with hdr
it's doa technology then

>>107827597
You definetly have never played on a CRT then, even OLEDS are completely dogshit at removing visual blur while playing games at 1k fps, trust me even if they sold 1080p monitor wtih pulsar you would rethink anything you know about displays

>>107827657
lol

>>107827664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xJtg5dKOo

>>107827664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8BVTHxc4LM

>>107827642
Man
Upscaling is such mental illness
But instead of just boycotting video games and letting the devs who make games with mandatory upscaling to be playable lose their jobs and become grocery store baggers we gobbled it up like crack addicts snorting coke full of filler and fent...

>>107827633
The laptop has like 14 cores though.
A new AMD would have like 6 or 8.

>>107827633
>I mean it's strobing improoved with less fafo'ing
John said that he has been waiting for this tech for 20 years, and he tested both this and his oled for a month now and he barely uses his oled anymore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRxzGyxJIbA

>>107827637
I know I'm paying for cheap material but it's for a second computer so I don't care that much I just want to know if it's going to drive me insane and should I just spend an extra 50 euro on a meshify 3 or something

>>107827690
well benchmark them against each other

>>107827702
you get vrr and more smoothness but you had locked strobing before too if you wanted to fafo it up, maybe dyac2 or some something is way worse idk
but yeah tested 240hz oled and I just say it can to be even more clear than that
maybe these pulsar memes will be actually good
motion clarity is underrated
I saw that video yes

>>107827519
I went 77 inch G5. It's like ultra wide in every direction.

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>>107827307
Nvidia claimed a 5090 (im guessing is the card) can run pathtraced resident evil requiem at 57 fps at 4k without DLSS, if this is true then expect this number to get even more retarded specially if dlss 4.5 is forcing ampere/turing users into upgrading

>>107827622
glad to see i'm not the only double desk autist

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>>107827817
whoops forgot picture

>>107823873
Imagine putting this shit together only to fuck up the calendar pic you have on display.

What's a good place to buy/sell used PC parts?
Trying to look for an older discontinued case.

>>107827572
We can see your second screen, cunt for brains.

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>>107827856
I always get told Facebook marketplace is good but holy shit fuck making a fb account or any social media account for that matter

>>107827544
Good luck selling your "new normal" to anyone on this market.

>>107827871
Once games are entirely ai generated you'll only need to sell about 400 copies to recoup the cost of making it. Game companies won.

When is the 265k scheduled for a price reduction.

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i like my fish tank more and more every day. Also my LEDs don't change color, please don't not call me a bussin zoom zoom (no cap, on god, BET)

>>107827865
just make one for the sake of trading

I really doubt anyone here is on less than 32GB RAM or 16GB VRAM

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>>107827622
Thanks- that's a K95 and a Nightsword. I like both. The monitor is a Dell 5K2K. It's awesome.
>>107827863
The discussion was about ultrawides. 2 PCs share it. The other has a lowly 16:9 4K. Not germane to the discussion. Knob-gobbler.

>>107827909
>static led color
your rgb will be more like g in a year

>>107827922
anon it's a static image, you have no idea what RGB he might have going on.

>>107827919
what happens when you gotta jerk off at your desk tho
you'll be jizzin on your cases brother

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>>107827909
Buy some fish toys to go in it.

>>107827927
try reading his post

>>107827918
a couple hundreds of users? ya, desktop gaming is saved!

>>107827918
You underestimate the number of users from 3rd world nations, or Australia. Sorry, that was redundant.

>>107827943
>Australia
maybe pre 2016. in 2026 this board is overrun by indians

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>>107827928
Doesn't everyone fap in a HazMat suit??

>>107827948
All 3rd world to me.

>>107827937
... are you actually retarded?

Being a solid color in an image means fuck all, he could have it rotating through solid colors with a delay or very slow transition speed.

Without knowing the ACTUAL RGB pattern, saying that is retarded.

For all you know it spends exactly the same amount of time across all 16.8M colors. (it obviously doesn't, but you can't know based on an image).

>>107827928
I used to have my UPS under my desk until I came and it seeped into the vent on top and fried it and the TV that was connected to it.

Where the hell is the raptor lake refresh? Why was there nothing about it at CES?

>>107827958
>Also my LEDs don't change color
reading comprehension is a lost art form

>>107827966
Raptor Lake refresh was the 14th gen Intel CPU series... 14600K, 14700K, 14900K, etc

>>107827979
There was supposed to be another batch of intel CPUs without the e cores, but Intel gave up on that.

>>107827983
There was. 15th gen Core Ultra 200 series. They did have e-cores. We'll see what's next.

>>107827992
No. It was called Bartlett Lake-S. 15th Gen is an entirely different architecture.

>>107827909
I question your air flow more than RGB.

>>107828005
Derba8er said watercooled setups like >>107827909 have a significantly higher chance of having the power cable melt because there's pretty much no airflow in the case at all. Your GPU die might be pretty cool because of the water cooling, but your power cable is probably getting really hot.

>>107827999
Ohh, got ya. You're right. I'd forgotten about that. I wonder if the instability of the 13th and 14th gen lines quashed it.

>>107828005
>>107828021
Just put a waterblock on the cable.

>>107828048
>LN2 on the cables
don't give them ideas

>>107827913
With my real fuckin name? On the internet? Fuck no.
Call me a crazy millennial