did pulsar win?

>derbauer broke up with his porn star gf and is now engaged to some beautiful blonde hair blue eyed goddess
how did jimmy neutron do it

>>107834182
probably for esporters
its a better zowie dyac, better colors, res, clarity with vrr

for normies oled is cheaper so, whats the point
for productivity you'd look at the VA rgb minileds from this years CES

>>107834182
doa technology

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>>107834182
Yes. NVIDIA has officially buried AMD. Pulsar/DLSS 4.5 it is over.

>>107834228
>t. Radeon card owner.

>>107834254
i like how i have to qualify everything with "i have a 5090"
anyway esports fags live in a bubble
nobody outside of a few fps players will care about pulsar and it's not going to make your mediocre ass any better at cs/valorant/whatever shit fps you play

>>107834190
You cant just post like that without pictures.

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>>107834262
>anyway esports fags live in a bubble
Just say you're divorced from reality.

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>>107834290
i lied about the blue eyes part https://youtu.be/gIFNKeyYHtg?t=336

>>107834190
the answer is money. even asmongold can get blondes and asians.

>>107834302
my uncle was right when he told me the only thing that matters to women is money and that i shouldn't care about my looks

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>>107834254
quiet pleb

>>107834254
if its nvidia only then its doa. just like gsync. everyone uses freesync because it just works on windows/linux/mac/android/etc. gsync shits itself if it doesn't detect nvidia or a specific os setup.

>>107834320
>'It's DOA if I can't use it on my favored OS'
No.

>>107834295
>he thinks esports are any fps game where you shoot guns
lol

So do you reckon its only the 5090s and 6090s the AI firms will be interested in?

>>107834332
For monitor OEMs its a easy choice. Pick freesync which works on any hardware and any OS even your fucking TV smartOS or pick gsync which ONLY works on nvidia and locks out the LG OS.

>>107834344
the chinese will be smuggling all of them

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>>107834337
Giving competitive FPS players an edge is the main selling point of this tech.

>>107834365
COMPETITIVE FPS
like overwatch
counter strike
valorant
games that have actual 5v5 or whatever modes
not shit games like cowdooty and bf6 or whatever extraction slop you posted in your other image

>>107834350
Those Pulsar monitors are another high-end gaming monitor that NVIDIA's partners can make alongside OLEDs.
Imagine the market catering to something (you) don't need/want.

>>107834344
Not 5090/6090 for consumers, but the workstation variant with the same chips and triple VRAM.
Consumers will get the scraps (failed cut down chips, meager VRAM)

>>107834375
Those are competitive fps, someone wins.
Don't bullshit yourself that some BF6 players wouldn't want to use a Pulsar monitor over other IPS/TN monitors.

>>107834344
4090 are already more interesting in China because you can easily mod them to 48GB VRAM whereas it's impossible or much harder for 5090s

Pulsar works for all games, clarity is better at every situation over persistence blur
it just costs a premium and people who pay that in an environment of cheap oled are esports focused most of the time, but also people who want a mix of productivity + gaming monitor

>>107834413
those bf6 players are playing with hdr on and also enjoy single player slop on their oleds

pulsar is for the sweatiest gamers that actually rank in real esports games

>>107834435
It's just a few retards with delusions of grandeur; the tech is bad because they don't want it.

>>107834365
Unless you can have multiple monitors, it's shit
In a perfect world you'd have three monitors, a standard 16:9 oled at 27' or 32', a sweaty comp 24' with latency tech and 500+hz, and a 21:9 ultrawide for some games where it's nice
If you only need to have one monitor right now it's an OLED
Then I'd say the upcoming Asus tandem oled scheduled for Q2 will be the do-it-all, its specs are insane

>>107834320
>>107834350
G-Sync existed before VESA ever came out with freesync
It was a necessary evil before a standard and hardware could be developed
It should be noted that g-sync doesn't exist anymore and all g-sync branded monitors are freesync.

Nvidia isn't in the business of creating standards and delegates that to Vesa, so if and when Vesa creates a standard for a Pulsar like feature, Nvidia has to have it's own shit just so a feature can be released.

>>107834442
>pulsar is for the sweatiest gamers that actually rank in real esports games
Or for players who don't want OLED burn-in and can afford something better than other IPS/TN monitors.
miniLED is a tier below for fps shooter players.
There's a massive FPS gaming market to make money off of, and some people just want the best system.

>>107834478
trying to convince someone that this pulsar monitor is worth buying is like convincing someone with a mercedez benz that a tesla is actually better

>>107834452
People who don't mind OLED monitors already bought one before these Pulsar monitors officially launched this week.
Pulsar fills a profitable niche for those who want better color volume than TN and avoid OLED burn-in.
The only miniLEDs worth buying atm are the budget ones, which are a different category to these Pulsar monitors.

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waitbros.. I don't think I can do it..

>>107834493
The world doesn't revolve around (you), these monitors have their niche.
The DF John guy claims he's been using his OLED monitor less since he started to test the Pulsar monitor.
Makes sense because very few games have good HDR implementations, most of the games you're playing are mastered for SDR displays.

>>107834539
>Makes sense because very few games have good HDR implementations, most of the games you're playing are mastered for SDR displays.
Are you under the impression that OLED cant display SDR images?

>>107834539
>niche

I'm glad we agree here. The point is that pulsar ain't winning anything. It will be a niche product for sweaty esports gamers, like I have been saying to you this entire time.

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If you didn't buy a discount ps5 pro during bf it's over
You will never play gta6 on release
Everything is going up
It's genuinely over

>>107834552
>pulsar ain't winning anything.
Pulsar wins the best display tech wrt motion clarity, it benefits all types of gaming and works at lower FPS.
It's a feature AMD has no answer. That's winning.

>>107834549
The benefits of OLED vs a Pulsar IPS greatly diminish @ SDR with proper setup.

>>107834588
don't care about games that don't care about me.

>>107834552
Can you fucking faggots say WHY pulsar is bad
Holy shit I hate you schizos you never say anything straightforward

>>107834588
That's on libshit Take Two for not releasing GTA 6 two years ago before Trump and this situation
amazing how ineptitude leads to the perfect storm

>>107834614
I literally never said pulsar is bad

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If you want to talk about tech that isn't winning anything, it's FSR4 and the rest of Redstone.

>>107834588
Why would I want to play AAA slop on a die-shrunk RX 6800

>>107834617
WHY IS PULSAR NOT AS GOOD AS X
IM WATCHING THREE OF YOU FAGS ARGUE AND IM TRYING TO LEARN

STOP BEING OBTUSE AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF BETTER

Even Intel knows how to implement frame generation with a better frame pacing than Redstone FG. It's just embarrassing.
https://youtu.be/8ydfKE1dffo?t=42

>>107834631
The TLDR is that pulsar makes motion clarity significantly better on sample and hold displays. You can't use it with local dimming arrays so ips mini led pulsar monitors can't exist. You can't use it with OLED either so that's out the window. Maybe Pulsar micro led monitors are a posibility but lol micro led won't be in monitors in our life times.

It exists only for IPS/VA/TN displays that esports gamers will use and nothing more.

Some of that is probably not 100% accurate but that's the basic gist.

>>107834639
intel knows a think or two about turning out fake stuff

>>107834194
Why do people think motion clarity is only for eSporters? If anything it's less for eSporters if they already run 600fps
Its more effective at lower fps and it will support 60hz strobing and shit
Also higher hz lower input lag so maybe eSporters prefer more hz monitors still idk
>Better colors
I think the zowie 600hz TN panel has a wider color gamut than the 360 ips unironically but double check

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>-Avoid Nvidia Due To Possible Melting Connectors & Driver Problems

anything related to sdr is old and boring
hdr is the future
anything that isn't compatible with hdr will be left behind

>>107834665
contrast is super important for enjoying the image and pulsar uses IPS panel
I own oled and I dont want to use IPS

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>>107834651
AMD and their major customers, like Sony, definitely want all that fake stuff.
AMD also want as many ML-generated pixels rendered from their new GPUs.
You children need to stop pretending AMD's taking a different path, they're just penny-pinching the feature development.

i unironically can't play games with no hdr support anymore

rtx hdr makes things look like shit aside from videos so i don't count that

>>107834693
>penny-pinching the feature development.
sounds based. anyway enjoy your slop.

goddamn this pajeet lives here 24/7 trying to shit on anything amd related

>>107834677
Sure but motion clarity

>>107834715
gotta respect the grind.

>>107834704
The problem with RTX HDR is that it makes the UI elements eye searing

>>107834693
Penny pinching just the consumer (older hardware just gets fucked)? or penny pinching their customers in general (Rocm being constantly behind and not dogfooding their own driver developers)?

>>107834727
the other thing that people don't mention is that it adds a filter over the game from what i've seen. it makes everything look grainy and the wrong color

>>107834715
>trying
Not like it's hard if we're talking about their GPUs

>>107834365
so its just backlight strobing? my benq monitor already does this and i bought it in 2020.

>>107834749
the m27p6 has bfi too but it turns off dsc and can't be used with hdr so i have literally never bothered to try it

>>107834749
Pulsar is actually good backlight strobing

>>107834715
its widely known that nvidia pays guerilla marketing folks online. they're just as bad as ubisoft.

>>107834631
oleds fags are coping hard right now, the reallity is that Pulsar is the best thing to happen if you care about motion clarity at all, even oleds cant compare with CRT, John had both oled and pulsar for a month and said he ended up using his pulsar 90% of the time except for movies in which the HDR was better, the best thing about Pulsar is that it works with as low as 48 fps so it can do 24 fps film after the firmware is out, the only reason to not get one right now is that the firmware that reduce pulsar mode minimun from 75 hz to 48 hz is not out yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8BVTHxc4LM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRxzGyxJIbA

>>107834762
It's widely known that people who post this comment are schizos

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>>107834674
Except that there are practically 0 new games with perfect HDR mastering, the visual presentation prioritizes SDR displays.

>>107834677
IPS panels are still used by professional color graders with the right setup.
I'm not even talking about those 1:2000 contrast black IPS monitors.

>>107834773
you are the type of person that tries one thing and then shills for it without having tried the other things right? like i guarantee you have never actually used an oled or mini led monitor before, that's why you're so hell bent on trying to say pulsar is the second coming of jesus. nobody is denying the motion clarity improvements are probably great, but there are just too many limitations for it to be mainstream. that's why almost nobody cares.

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so why exactly should i care about fake frames and fake resolutions again?

>>107834767
Pulsar cuts peak brightness. This is not in question. It cuts it by 20-30%. That's not a minor detail. It's a major result of how Pulsar functions. Unless you address this along with Pulsar's benefits, you are being disingenuous. Every piece of tech has pros and cons. Ignoring one side means you're a biased shill.

>>107834795
because moores law is dead and now instead of brute forcing everything, graphics have taken a new path to squeeze out better fidelity and graffix and fps

using llms to guestimate frames inbetween real rastered frames is the new path for now

>>107834788
not that anon but anyone that is old enough have CRT display undesrtand how dogshit even things like oled or miniled is to pulsar, and is not like pulsar has not been out for 4 days and every day there will be more evidence to see if its the second coming of jesus (CRT) or not

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>>107834795
Because you're not going to get new GPU hardware for at least 2-3 years, the devs are lazy, the games not optimized, ram & storage prices are retarded, and from now on, you'll always have to take the back seat to the holy AI Slop Monster.

>>107834826
oh for fucks sake not everyone is some zoomer. i am 35 and probably older than all of you. i have used several crt monitors over the years and actually played an esport competitively (for a short time..). the motion clarity is not the only fucking thing that matters in a display holy shit you retards are insufferable

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>>107834788
I own a QD-OLED monitor and a 77" OLED TV to know a bit about the limitations of HDR gaming.

>that's why almost nobody cares.
Two of the major OLED monitor makers cared enough to make Pulsar monitors because they have a better idea of the gaming monitor market than you do.

>>107834840
Sounds like a oledfag in denial, john is an expert in displays , more and more expert agree with his take, you have never seen pulsar but are quickly to dissmiss it

>>107834795
i asked the same question and people said it was sour grapes
now i have a 9070 XT and i tried FSR4 and it was still blurry shit
as expected
the next step is of course that i need to go out and buy a 5090 to get access to the cutting edge of fake frame technology

>>107834832
As I said, schizo

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What's with the pulsar shilling? How much they get paid for this?

>>107834851
when there's a gsync pulsar 4k 240hz monitor without any compromises on what i already have, then i guarantee you people will care more

>>107834840
I used to post pictures of my Apple //e on /b/ back in 2005. Now, get off my lawn, son.

>>107834865
>, then i guarantee you people will care more
how do you know if they care or not, multiple experts like john tested pulsar for months and said they were better than oleds

How are the newer nvidia drivers? are they really made with AI and breaks a lot?

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>>107834834
>the devs are lazy, the games not optimized
i don't play those.
>>107834825
>graphics have taken a new path
yeah i am going to pass on those then
>>107834857
buy one and report back. cus i tried it on my 3060 12gb already and was not impressed.

>>107834881
Infinitely better than AMD's drivers unless you use loonix.

>>107834881
No, and you can stop trolling the thread now

>I took the bait and tried to honestly argue with what appears to be an indian shill
the egg is on my face

>>107834881
nvidia drivers have been "ok" since R580. R590 seems to be them moving forward and adding new features instead of bug fixes again.

>>107834865
>then i guarantee you people will care more
This wasn't the point, some retard (probably you) called Pulsar a "doa technology" because he doesn't need it.
There are a lot of things that are useful in this world that you don't need it, and GSync Pulsar is one of them.
The fact that these monitors were released in the market where OLEDs have become more affordable shows they have a place.

>>107834881
I keep getting the itch to update and try 4.5, but I'll let the dust settle for a few more days and see what broke.

>>107834884
>buy one and report back
NVIDIA is unusable on linux so i'm not doing that
but that would be the next excuse
just one more AI model bro

>>107834860
hes already calling everyone schizo
wait until he starts mentioning meds, or if all else fails, /pol/

>>107834884
Soon they will use AI to predict how you play and offload the entire hardware on cloud, so you will own nothing and will be happy.

I hope reflex 2 comes soon and I hope they've somehow managed to make it work with frame gen, otherwise that's DOA too

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How big is the difference between 2k and 4k monitors really? When I went from 1080p to 2k I noticed a difference sure but I wasn't mind blown, getting an OLED 2k was way more impactful to me

>>107834951
1080p to 1440p isn't that big, it's just the resolution to step up to if you're getting a 27" monitor.

>>107834930
sorry i dont need any 2 when the original is still perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ebkj9x5Ko

>>107834929
What's the final iteration of all this... AI makes an AI game that is played on AI platforms by AI against AI. You will merely observe and be entertained. Or, perhaps, you will have AI watch for you.

>>107834951
go into any game that you like and look off into the distance. if you're going from a 2k > 4k monitor, you will be able to see more details clearly. you can use dldsr to go from 2k > 4k to sort of see what this would look like, but it's not exactly the same thing. it'd be clearer than that. assuming you're going from a 27" to 27" that is.

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>>107834929
>Soon they will use AI to predict how you play
they have been doing this since csgo (now cs2) for vacnet and it sucks ass. i wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

>>107834951
Entirely depends upon the content. Gaming depends on the game in question. Movies it makes a big difference. Productivity, it matters on a larger display. I like having a large display with clear, sharp text and images.

>>107834899
>NVIDIA is unusable on linux so i'm not doing that
what distro are you using so i can say that it is shit?

>>107834991
arch
go ahead

>>107834951
1080p 24" to 1440p 27" is more noticeable in terms of resolution than 1440p 27" to 2160p 32" in my experience. That's not to say that the resolution upgrade isn't noticeable, because it is. You also get a bigger monitor at 32", which is also nice if you need three or four windows going at once and don't want a multimonitor setup

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>>107834960
well you pay for "your" ai so you can boost it. gotta make money from this or else it won't make any sense.
>>107835004
arch is what the fat guy on our discord server runs

>>107834767
>>107834648
Thank you.

Sounds like I'm getting a pulsar IPS and W-OLED stripe RGB later this year.
I've been using IPS since 2009. I have a BenQ strobe monitor since 2019 or so as well so I know with these strobe /pulse monitors you lose brightness (bc the backlight is only on partially, duh!) .

I'll get the W-OLED for movies and text and the pulsar IPS for my FPS.

Perfect. Now we just need to fast forward time 9 months so I can buy it.
Then again my wallet is hurting from impulse buying PC parts last month and buying a $4k mattress.

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I really do not care about modern mainstream (GTA, GoW, any major FPS, Red Dead, etc.) games and I'm okay with 1080p/60fps. I mostly just play VNs and indie games and emulate stuff up the 6th console gen.
Should I just buy a pre-built? Doing otherwise feels like overkill.

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>>107834588
oh no fellow console toddlers, our response?

>>107835019
>arch is what the fat guy on our discord server runs
i'm sure
it's the same NVIDIA driver on all distros though
i don't understand why you think distro choice matters

>>107835022
>implying you can't build a low end machine
You sound lazy, or just uninterested in PC building

Is 4070 good pick for PCVR? Just found a good deal for a used one, should I pull the trigger?

https://www.digitalfoundry.net/news/2026/01/intel-panther-lake-mobile-graphics-entry-level-desktop-performance
https://images.digitalfoundry.net/e48652a9d6a24/bench.large.jpg

INTEL WON

>>107835022
I'd compare prebuilt to used market PC component prices.

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>>107835022

Really tired of all the trolling and arguments here, just talk about tech stuff without all the autistic screeching pls
(PS we should definitely range ban india, there would be less AMD shilling and less trolling in general)

>>107835043
Depends on what you're playing and what HMD you have, but generally yes if you're trying to play Alyx and Beatsaber. I think the VR chat queers would recommend the 5060 Ti 16 GB instead

>>107835047
but can they put these in hand held devices too?

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>>107835019
AI will do your work for you and earn you AI money to spend on your AI games.
>OBEY
>CONSUME
>THEY LIVE
>WE SLEEP

It's all so familiar.

>>107835043
PCVR scales well with memory bandwidth; you might want a 16GB VRAM card.

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>>107835037
>i don't understand why you think distro choice matters
they woudn't have so many distros if it didn't. like "other" accounts for like 18% of all linux distros on steam. with everything else being < 10% except steam os.
>>107835043
what headset? i used like 16gb of vram in hl alyx on my hp g2.

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>yeah so i just built that new gaming PC

>>107835054
cope and seeth tranny. it won't make you white.

>>107835054
ban everyone who got into pc shit after rtx/ryzen.

>>107835047
>>107835061
oh wtf thats INTEGRATED GRAPHICS
that's huge

who is >we
also whats up with that total lack of self awareness

>>107835066
>they woudn't have so many distros if it didn't
i said i don't understand why you think distro choice matters when it comes to choosing a GPU
but anyway you're clearly a windows user so i don't care about your opinion
NVIDIA cards are great on windows, but if you had used one on linux you would know how fucking bad it is
you can have your GPU and i can have mine, i'm not gonna sperg out and hijack the OP for 6 months because you bought the wrong brand

>>107835066
>unused ram is wasted ram
Doesn't mean the game actually needed to use 16 GB VRAM.

>>107835105
low res textures suggest otherwise

>>107835110
high res textures suggest otherwise

>>107835087
>>107835047
this is like the best case scenario for intel graphics. dx12 + windows. it falls apart once you mix match anything else.

>>107835047
this is what happens when there's competition fellas

>>107835125
its not impressive. snapdragon is basically beating intel at graphics right now.

>>107835129
proof?

>>107835115
low res (n64 like) textures with 16 gb of vram usage suggest otherwise. it all got used and it was still not enough. but the hp reverb g2 has a massive screen size compared to other gaming headsets.

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>>107835054
TPTB promotes tribalism and that's all this is. You almost have to respect the genius used to pit Brand X against Brand Z. The shills for either side have no idea they're serving masters that don't give a shit about tech...or politics... or religion... or socio-economic classes. They just want everyone to hate The Other Side. But let's not get off on a rant. Who wants cake!

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>exclusive AI intelligence
>AI advisor
>AI networking
What the fuck does this even mean?
oh and yes, mods pls ban all AMDjeets, they’re like, really annoying (>_<)

>>107835021
>so I know with these strobe /pulse monitors you lose brightness (bc the backlight is only on partially, duh!) .
how the backlight is on the pulsar monitors your actually gain brightness apparently though

>Now we just need to fast forward time 9 months so I can buy it.
pulsar ones coming in eu here early Feb tho

ai posts

>>107835066
>what headset?
pico 4

>>107835153
it's oger...

>>107835047
Amdbros, not like this

>>107835119
>I can't into vulkan and linux
>I must consoom directx because corporate approval
>>107835062

>>107835172
took them long enough. like amd has already made the ps5 and xbox series whatever apus. what is the big deal?

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>>107835186
AMD has been trying to leverage the handheld/APU market into finally breaking the monopoly nvidia and intel havei in the OEM, most of the profits these OEMS make are from mobile laptops though which AMD barely cranks 20% marketshare and they have until MEDUSA to take over that market because Nvidia and Intel are working together into bringing their own APU to that space

>>107835134
The recent Snapdragon ads are all about shitting on Intel whether its battery life or performance.

Should we update the OP to
>Avoid 5090 and 9070XT due to melting connector problems?

the whole apu thing is really just cope from intel bros. the only thing that matters is if there is a market for it or not.
>>107835203
doesn't really matter since amd makes most of it's money from selling to sony and microsoft. nintendo is the exception with their tablet. custom stuff is their thing. doesn't really matter if you have the best apus if there is noone to buy them from you.

>>107835217
we should remove that line entirely and rangeban edmonton

>>107834801
>Pulsar cuts peak brightness. This is not in question. It cuts it by 20-30%. That's not a minor detail. It's a major result of how Pulsar functions.
? why did he say it increases brightness due to how the display works

>>107835219
>doesn't really matter since amd makes most of it's money from selling to sony and microsoft.
doesn't really matter when AMD can't make money when Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft can't make money bc no one will buy or release consoles with this RAM situation either

>>107835217
All Nvidia gpu have the melting connector now. On AMD its optional only to like 3 specific SKUs.

>>107835253
bingo. like consumers won't buy shit from you if it's all overpriced and no one is going to pay for a fancy cpu just because it has the fancy igpu. same with the consoles. like the deal is done and the consoles have been designed and are in production until the next generation arrives. i am calling it now and i am going to say the next nintendo console is going to be a fuckup and it is also not going to use an nvidia gpu.

>>107835217
It needs to be removed entirely, someone snuck that in

>>107835217
No a line should be added to stop buying no name PSUs and to actually plug your shit in properly though

>>107835284
it was me

>>107835294
people are buying brand name psus and brand name gpus and it still melts. asus rog, gigabyte aorus, insert overpriced shit here.

>>107835274
>All Nvidia gpu have the melting connector now
not true. 5050 and 5060 still use 8-pin connectors.

>>107835314
but noone (or should be buying) buys those

>>107835309
That's why you plug your brand name PSU into your card properly. 99% of owners haven't had their cards catch on fire despite what this general likes to claim

>>107835317
Because you say so? Sorry. You're not my supervisor.

>>107835327
not going to stop you from buying trash.

two questions for a computer I'm setting up for a friend

1) if I install W10 IoT alongside Bazzite will future security updates break the bootloader
2) Will W10 IoT be generally fine for someone that has very little computer literacy with any issues he may encounter? I'm setting up his Bazzite install to be as retard-proof as possible as per his request

>>107835332
I have a 3080 ti, a 4080 Super and a 7060 XT 16gb. I don't play Us Vs Them or assume what other people's needs/budgets are. That's retarded.

>>107834801
>>107835250
Pulsar cuts brightness compared to what a backlight could do being steadily on
BUT it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be dimmer than any given LCD.
Fixing brightness issues with any type of backlight strobing/scanning is wholly down to just adding a more powerful backlight

Not sure what Pulsar monitors are doing to make up for lost brightness, if they are using a more powerful backlight or not, I'd imagine the biggest limitation is the eco nazis in the EU.

>>107835341
store is missing, some codecs are also missing because of that like hvac or what it is called, modern games may bitch about secure boot, tpm and 21h2. browsers and stuff idk about. drivers may be a problem if it's a really new system.

>>107835341
>if I install W10 IoT alongside Bazzite will future security updates break the bootloader
i've never had windows break the bootloader since switching to EFI
it seems to respect the fact that there's already another bootloader installed
but if you're setting it up for a friend and you want it to be as retard-proof as possible i wouldn't risk it

>>107834413
>Those are competitive fps, someone wins
Do you call board games competitive bg?

>>107835357
>Pulsar cuts brightness compared to what a backlight could do being steadily on
Why does the DF guy say it increases brightness turning it on then?
like it's able to pump out more due to strobing the backlight
If zowie could make a backlight that maintains brightness with strobing I don't see why it could not be

>>107835356
if you don't have a lot of money you should get a used gpu instead of new trash that is made already obsolete. may even give you a few extra iq points if you do it that way.

>>107835385
>if you don't have money you should get an obsolete gpu instead of a new gpu
Incredible analysis

I just prefer nvidia because DLSS works wonders for me, don’t know why that’s so controversial

>>107835385
Some folk want a warranty. Some folk want the new features a particular card may have. The epitome of ignorance is thinking you know what's best for all other people.

>>107835390
>>if you don't have money you should get an obsolete gpu instead of a new gpu
you can buy a 4070 for the price of a new 5060 8gb here. you can get a 7800xt for not much more. you can buy a 3080. 3060 or 4060. instead of paying a premium for a slower gpu with only 8gb of vram. you can pay less for an 8gb gpu or pay the same for one with more.

>>107835368
Might I be better off just going Windows 10 Enterprise and call it a day? He could always update to W11 if he has to I guess.
>>107835370
What would be the downside to doing so if I want to keep it retard-proof?

>>107835399
so does FSR4 and its baked into Linux like my driver. i dont have to instalo nvidia bloatware or go through hoops to get working computer.

/pcbg/ is really dogshit.

>>107835416
be the change you wanna see in the world

>>107835423
i'd get arrested

>>107835377
Might just be monitor firmware having a higher default brightness with strobing compared to no strobing

Hardware wise a backlight has to be more capable for Pulsar to achieve similar or higher brightness to a non strobing backlight.

>>107835399
I wish AMD would offer high end GPUs. I'm also considering one of those pulsar monitors but this shit will only run under Windows, right?

>>107835217
"avoid housefire connector" is enough
also who is we?

5050 waste of sand
5060 8g waste of words to describe it

>>107835440
so you are just spreading misinformation or what

Miss me with garbage pulsar IPS. tandem WOLED for life. LCD cannot match OLED input lag, contrast, or HDR looks.

>>107835390
gpu is already obsolete by the fact of it having only 8gb of vram. so no point in paying a new price for it.

>>107835385
Someone else bought something that I do not like. How can this be happening to me?

>>107835497
not really mad. just feel sorry for someone who doesn't have enough money to buy a gpu with more than 8gb of vram. when he could have saved money and bought one with 8gb used or one with 12gb for the same price.

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>>107835458
Not defending 5050 but if the worst product of the generation is on par with another company's best offering while consuming 30-50W less power, it's still something.

is it worth buying an open box OLED from Best Buy?

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>>107835524
this is the problem i have with it.

>>107835274
It's only effecting the 5090 and 9070XT though.

>>107835193
This chart compares the Core Ultra Series 2 (Lunar Lake).
This doesn't show that Snapdragon's iGPUs are better than the Xe3 in Panther Lake.

>>107835519
Seeing as this entire discussion began with me correcting some anon that not all 50-series GPUs use the housefire connector, and that the 5050 and 5060s still use 8-pins, how did this devolve into vram? The 5060 ti is available with 16gb. Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

>>107835543
Sometimes. But you have to analyze and document any imperfection as you unbox and set up. And be prepared to send it back and try again. Yes, you can save some money, but it does involve a lot more work.

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why shouldnt I buy a gaming laptop instead?

>>107835581
did i complain about the vram ammount that makes gpus obsolete now? the 5060ti 16gb is fine. the 5050 and 5060 are not. no one should be buying those if they are low on cache just to have a new gpu when a used one is not much older and much cheaper or can be had with more for the same price.

>>107835603
Because, by necessity of the form factor, CPU and GPU performance is severely limited compared to their desktop counterparts. If what they sell fits your needs, then by all means, get one.

>>107835399
>don’t know why that’s so controversial
It's not, radeon fanboys are the trannies of pc building discussion

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>>107835371
There's a reason why some board games are joked about as friendship breakers because of their competitive nature.
Also sad to talk about tabletop games when the main topic of the discussion was about the merits of a gaming monitor's display tech.

>>107835613
So you agree with me. The 5050 and 5060s still use the 8-pin connector and the 5060 ti is available with 16gb, Good. Glad we could resolve it.

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>>107835543
I returned a monitor bought from Best Buy due to dead pixels. Chances you will get a return unit with dead pixels.
>>107835546
Yeah kinda rough for the performance, but by absolute scale, it's on the low side.

if i put a pcie 5.0 ssd in a pcie 4.0 m2 socket on my mobo, will I have any problems or will it just run slower?

my board (gigabyte aorus x870e master) has 4 m.2 slots, but two of them share a lane with the pcie x16 socket, and the board cuts that down to x8 if i install anything in those slots. i have a 4tb drive in the other, but the last available slot is pcie 4.0. i already have an extra 5.0 drive and I don't want to have to shell out for another if I can help it.

>>107835603
notebooks are best when they are thin and light and don't have dedicated gpus that take power and add heat and complexity.
>>107835314
>not true. 5050 and 5060 still use 8-pin connectors.
>>107835633
still shouldn't buy those >>107835317 house fire connector is a reason not to buy one if it can be avoided. same goes for the 8gb "new" gpus that suck ass.

>>107835641
It will run fine, but at gen 4 speeds. And running even a new high end GPU at 8 lanes won't make a noticeable difference. Look it up yourself. Way too many people saying otherwise and it's simply not true.

>>107835641
Just run slower. There is zero reason anyone in this thread should be buying NVME 5.0 unless you professionally edit videos all day. Zero benefit to anyone here.

By proxy the NVME will run cooler when you drop the PciE lane. So it's a benefit.

>>107835641
i set my gen 4 drive to pcie 3.0 speed. keeps it cooler.

>>107835317
>but noone (or should be buying) buys those
Good evening saar. It's getting late.

>>107835470
used the shittiest IPS screen imaginable with boosted gamma to shit next to qdoled and maybe have to say contrast is overrated
might prefer brightness more than contrast
input lag, really nigga?
hdr, of course lol
really wonder if strobing destroys eyes or not, will have to see if it's worth compared

>>107835543
samsung oled tvs yes
if the coating is scratched you can even do the old peel
americans cant suffer with those prices

>>107835603
loud as fuck and worse performance per dollar
if you are too lazy to build a pc or can get a good value one or just play a certain game that don't demand crazy specs I don't see why not though
t. laptop user

>>107835691
if that is your only problem i don't really mind.

>>107834375
literally all the same slop

Nvidia announced Pulsar 2 years ago

in all that time why didn't AMD develop a competing standard?

Just realized I've been using Windows with Secure Boot disabled all this time

Isn't this important? Should I turn it on or not?

>>107835779
Because new features are evil
If AMDrones had their way there wouldn't be VRR

>>107835790
secure boot makes the nvidia driver not work with two monitors on linux. idk if it is still a problem with the open driver they have now.

>>107835790
it's just spyware anticheat loves it

>>107835779
Not worth the R&D ROI given their GPU install base.
AMD will also have a harder time convincing monitor manufacturers to integrate their proprietary feature unless it's a vendor-agnostic tech.

>>107835818
wym? they would make it an open standard and allow everyone to use it.

>>107835790
Only matters if you play games like Battlefield 6. Mine was never enabled and I never had issue. It needed to be enabled to play the open beta.

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>>107830971
>>107830991

>>107835827
No one knows whether that's even possible for a Pulsar equivalent tech.
Less sophisticated backlight strobing techniques have not been standardized yet.

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>>107835019

>>107835855
>No one knows whether that's even possible for a Pulsar equivalent tech.
just make the module and make it open instead of proprietary. it's not some space age tech. i bet intel would help with that for their gpus. nvidia is free to implement it as well. since everything still has to go through a standard dp cable.

>>107835845
What's your current PC? Too old to upgrade some parts?

>>107835845
best poorfag platform is a ddr4 system from intel or amd 5000 if you need the cores or already have an am4 system.

>>107835845
I'm pretty confused by the question.

>>107835894
>just make the module and make it open instead of proprietary
>'Just spend R&D on something with 0 financial incentive'
Why don't you do this?

>it's not some space age tech.
AMD knew NVIDIA was working on this tech for at least two years, and they've got nothing to show for it.

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The GPU deshroud mod is a tremendous success, shame I didn't do it in 2022. The chink PWM adapters mean the fans are still able to spin at 500-600 RPM at the 0% fan speed setting while still being inaudible. Easy +100 MHz and +800 MHz on the core/memory to max out this GPU's potential at 200W on the board without exceeding 60C at 30% fan speed.

The low BRR sound of 3 big bladed 120mm's is so much more pleasant than the annoying WHIRRR of the low profile 96mm Torx fans.

>>107835928
>Why don't you do this?
why did they do it with freesync? consoles? just to have something of their own? intel and amd can also make their own tech if they want. maybe intel wants to make a deal with sony. who knows.
>AMD knew NVIDIA was working on this tech for at least two years, and they've got nothing to show for it.
there are a lot of knowns and not knowns. doesn't mean someone has tried it or not tried it. they can also just open up one of those monitors and test it. see how it works and make their own for less.

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>>107835937
Also went ahead and spent some hours trying to cable manage this wirey mess into something more managable while I wait for the chance to work on the big case.

>>107835937
>>107835966
but why? you can get a new case for under 50 bux.

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>>107835961
>why did they do it with freesync? consoles?
VRR became part of a common display standard, backlight strobing with VRR compat, is nowhere near the point of becoming a standardized tech.

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>the absolute last 5080 in the store

I don't have the strength, bros.

>>107835937
>>107835966
>coolermaster
I like your theming, just like the industrial/utilitarian look of their older cases.

>>107835993
tranny gpu with a tranny skin

>>107835998
takes a tranny to know one

>>107835998
But that's not any amd gpu?

Anyone offer input? Not sure if I'm going insane or misremembering or what:
>Get 5090
>Put in machine
>Test undervolt/benchmarking
>Stable with a reasonable undervolt, and I THOUGHT the power draw was around 400-450 watts during benchmarks, however
>Do clean windows install
>Install drivers
>Import saved MSI profile
>Wattage is closer to 500 watts, have to also add 85% power settings to get to similar wattage consumption.
I have no idea what is causing this discrepancy, would reinstalling drivers or something help? It's clear power is being reduced vs default settings, I'm not getting similar stability etc

>>107836004
nah it takes just two functioning eyes and a non fucked up brain.
>>107836005
why are you defending this gpu? are you a tranny?

>>107835987
New cases under 50 bucks with good cooling potential, 360mm GPU support, room for 4-5 hard drives or sata ssds, and 2-3 5.25" front bays?

>>107835908
It's the Haswell I mentioned, which is a Dell workstation too, but I just use it for shitposting. It's pretty spec'd out (for the time), but I'm not sure if it'd be sufficient to use as a base for my use case.

I could throw in a 3060 and a PSU to accommodate it, which I've read won't be bottleknecked by PCIe3 that much since it's backwards compatible, but I'm not sure if I'd run into issues with AI use under that configuration, since I'm pretty sure I need at least DDR4 RAM.
>>107835919
I see. I took a look through the archives, and saw it mentioned that the x99 platform is a bit outdated by this point. Other than DDR4 compatibility, is there anything else I should look for in a motherboard/CPU?
>>107835920
I'm wondering if I need to build a PC from scratch for the aforementioned use case, or if I can just get away with using a Dell workstation's motherboard supporting DDR4 and PCIe4 as a base like poorfags of years prior; or if I can even get away with just throwing in a modest GPU into my Haswell workstation without being bottleknecked by PCIe3 and DDR3.

>>107836011
The V/F curve editor in Afterburner can act wonky if you didn't modify the curve while the card was under rendering load.
Set a new undervolt curve while Unigine Heaven or Valley (windowed mode) is running in the background.

>>107836055
>Unigine Heaven or Valley
Why do people still use this when Superposition exists?

>>107836027
Radeon started this trend with their Yeston Sakura partnership troon, I’ve never seen you complain about those

>>107836061
Because you can't run Superposition in windowed mode.

>>107836075
You can, but it doesn't loop.

>>107836041
>New cases under 50 bucks with good cooling potential,
you just removed all the panels. you might as well run it on the fucking cardboard box of your motherboard. stop talking please.
>360mm GPU support,
you made it that long to begin with
>room for 4-5 hard drives or sata ssds
>spinning rust
why not just velcro tape them in place. you clearly don't mind with a case like that.
>and 2-3 5.25" front bays?
use case?
DarkFlash Aigo B351
Sharkoon VS4-V
Chieftec Elox HC-10B
SilverStone Precision PS13
Chieftec Mesh CQ-01B-U3
Chieftec Elox HQ-01B
also any other used pc case. don't act like you didn't make that your own problem with those changes to your gpu and that you didn't have any other options for other cases.
>>107836065
they are also trans. now stop crying and making shit up.

>>107836055
>modify the curve while the card was under rendering load.
Wait what, I don't think I ever edited the curves under load before.

>>107836113
Why are you trans?

>>107836143
i am not the one defending shit like >>107835993 with >>107836065
>Radeon started this trend with their Yeston Sakura partnership
two wrongs don't make it right tranny faggot.

>>107836143
>>107836153
they also won't make you a woman.

Why are AMD fanboys so insufferable? :/
Always starting arguments for no reason…

>>107836165
still won't make you a woman.

I'm in desperate need of a new computer. What RAM can i run with until this shit crisis blows over?
16GB DDR3? Some major issues i will run into?

>>107836142
This way guarantees the curve you are tuning applies when the GPU is boosting to its maximum clock speed under load.
I've tried both ways, and setting undervolts at idle/low loads sometimes doesn't stick to the maximum frequency I expected the card to run at.
https://youtu.be/zUkPAVcb9Xc?t=534

>>107836250
You are the only person bringing up trannies in a thread about building computers. You need mental help.

>>107836301
>>107835993
>>107836004
>takes a tranny to know one
>>107836005
But that's not any amd gpu?
>Radeon started this trend with their Yeston Sakura partnership troon, I’ve never seen you complain about those
>>107836143
>>107836165
>Why are AMD fanboys so insufferable? :/
they clearly are all faggots by defending this obv tranny gpu that is made for faggots >>107835993

>/pol/brownoids leaving their containment zone
Range ban india mods, that’s all it’ll take

>>107836165
When you spend $800 on e-waste you generally get angry.

>>107836055
Didn't seem to make a ton of difference doing it under load, part of me wonders if I was misremembering, but one benchmark I ran actually triggered a ups alarm for high load, something it didn't do for the old install so I'm not sold yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjhngin1wP0\
need more behind the scenes stuff like this

>>107835416
is not /pcbg/ fault that amd is bad

>anything i dont like is "trans"

total /pol/cel death when???

>>107836339
>admitting to being a brown subhuman

>>107836443
I’m still salty about the 7000 series not being able to run fsr4 :/, or how how that is still extremely limited
>>107836465
It’s just some AMDjeet malding over something, best to ignore

>>107836475
calling me one won't make this tranny gpu not a a tranny gpu for faggots. cope and seethe.

>buy duronaut paste
>repaste peerless assassin installed on my 9800x3d
>set pbo all cores -20
>thermal limit 90C
>it still hovers 89.6C during cinebench with some minor throttling

you guys memed me into buying this junk heatsink unbelievable

>>107836541
should've just bought the lf3 like the sane people
never buy any of the poorfag shit shilled in these poorfag threads made by indians

small reminder to everyone here
>lgbt lights = tranny faggot shit
>glass side panel = tranny faggot shit
>tranime and tranime figures = tranny faggot shit
anyone defending this is also a homo or at least on the spectrum of one.
>>107836504
>why does the cpu boost until it runs into a temp limit, voltage limit, power limit or amp limit.
>how could this be
>why does the heat increase if the mhz go up
>i don't understand

>>107836552
bought one almost today
then looked up pump noise on that one and threw it out of the cart

>>107836579
That’s why you set the pump speed to 70% so it’s silent. It’s significantly better than asetek junk or whatever garbage you can’t wait to shill when replying to this

>>107836541
I always say to go open loop, so you cant blame me.

>>107835613
5050 and 5060 are pretty weak for modern games anyway (High not Epic 1080p 60 FPS with a 5060 Ti or 4070), but with DLSS Performance and Ultra Performance getting better they still might be useful. Having said that, those GPUs are fine with 8 GB VRAM as esports or low end cards, although it would be better if there was a Super variant of the 5060 with 12 GB for people to choose between

>>107836609
LF3 pump makes the same high-pitched noise as any other AIO pump with a small impeller.

>dust computer room
>room is completely dusty 2 days later
Where is it coming from

>>107836697
Take a shower, dusty

>>107836697
You're shedding millions of particles of dead skin and hair every day

>>107836625
>modern gaming
i'll take the bait, a 5070 is only around 25% faster than a 5060 ti when running the new dlss 4.5 and the 9070 XT is slower than both on modern games with full pathtracing

>>107836609
i have a macho rev b and have my fans run passive for any desktop work.
an AIO would save a few fans in my build but at the cost of giving up on zero noise

what thread is this

>>107836718
>full pathtracing
just because you are trans doesn't mean normal people are

>>107836541
>air cooling in the big 26
:skull:

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>>107836718
>full pathtracing
>5070, 5060 ti

>>107836697
fabric
>computer room
propably everything room

pros and cons of having a mouse mat?

>>107836718
this one gonna make em mad

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>>107836745
I'm just explaining how heavy modern compute loads work, is harder and harder to gain fps using the model so the raster performance between the cards become less, if the RR model happen to be even heavier than L in the future you can expect something the same outcome, go test preset M on battleifield and see what it does if you used to have something like 200 frames and then see waht it does on another game were you had maybe 80 or something

>need a new monitor urgently
>all the good monitors announced at CES 2026 have some bullshit arbitrary release date like "h1 2026" or "q2 2026"

help me.

>>107836798
I know the feeling, anon. I'm waiting for some new OLED high ends. If you absolutely need something now, you could pick up a decent monitor that's cheaper now - maybe a few years older and then wait for the one you really want.

>>107836798
all old gen oleds are being sold out

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>>107836797
>>107836745
Also hardware unboxed (your regular AMD GOD STEVE) showcased this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36zbGPECzDI

on cyberpunk going from preset M to K with a 5070 on cyberpunk cost him 16 fps (126 to 110) while on rainbow six siege it went from 235 to 194 (-41 fps)

So yes the era of raster is ending

>>107836798
buy used and sell it in half a year for the same price

People who took the 4.5 pill- any glitches with the latest update?

>>107836892
Haven't updated yet because waiting for the new Geforce app

>>107836892
I've only been enabling it on a game by game basis for the games that I noticed bad ghosting in, mainly BF6 and GTA online.

Both games look WAY better with 4.5, because on 4.0 they had terrible smeary ghosting.

I haven't bothered using it on other games.

>>107836892
4.5 is a mixed bag. generally speaking, it just objectively makes things look better than preset k. by that i mean detail on small objects is preserved vs the blurry mess on k. this greatly improves volumetric effects. the downside is there's a performance hit (honestly i can't tell though, i play with 2-3x fg in most games on 5090 so my fps did not change). it also produces a sharper image which might make some games unplayable (mh wilds was already oversharpened and 4.5 makes it look even worse. to make matters worse there is no sharpness slider available when dlss is enabled)

anyway 4.5 (preset l, m) is better but you still have to check if it ruins your specific game. it's not as plug and play as preset k was

>>107836798
I was in the same situation, my main monitor died right on the 1st as the new year hit. I ended up ordering a KTC M27P6. It's pretty cheapo and it was reviewed well. Might upgrade to something else once better monitors are on the market, I didn't really want to spend a lot on a monitor right now since I want to see what the new shit is like. RGB stripe OLEDs, tandem whatever, RGB mini-LED and so on, maybe if I decide to spend more money I'll get something better.

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>>107836892
Unless the game has heavy ghosting or you need the ultra peformance mode to run at 4k i would stick with DLAA dlss 4.0 on 1440p or performance preset k on 4k, It needs a proper denoiser that works well with upscalers, both TDA and Indiana Jones which run on vulkan / id software look really good even without RR even on ultra performance 4k, i did test it mostly on the unreal engine 5 and i foundt it without proper denosiing it has issue with vegetation and lumen

my dad works at nvidia he said dlss 4.5 is primarily meant for dfg and it fixes the very bad ghosting that 4.0 has when fg is enabled

>>107835668
that's interesting. thanks for the information. i never even knew.
>>107835672
fortunately for samsung, i have more money than sense and overbought, but it's good to know i can slot in some less costly replacements if i need them...and cooler is always better...
>>107835682
based, i might have to play around with speeds
>>107835069
i wish this wasn't me, but it is

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>>107836969
your dad's still not as cool as mine

>>107835993
I'll get one. I love Miku.

>>107837031
>worst starter
i'll live

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How is this for pump noise and thermals?

>>107836892
There is zero downside for a 50 series card

>>107837077
Except the house fires.

>>107837080
That's a feature of AMD's cards too.

>>107837080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x7goOdiaSU
amdbros, all our shills are leaviing us....

>>107837061
Supposedly one of the better AIOs in terms of noise, but don't break that plastic mounting bracket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKdMBspKxA4

>>107837077
Perf at the same resolution is a tiny bit worse even on 50 and 40 series cards. 30 and 20 series suffer even more perf loss.

REDSTONE Launch - literal shit, stuttering mess, fixes nothing, rdna3 abandoned, useless, features locked to fucking call of duty

DLSS 4.5 Launch - God tier, performance gains for all at every card, Ultra performance now usable for weakest hardware, highly improved visual quality

AMD LOSES AGAIN
EVERY MONTH 9070XT DROPS IN VALUE

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>>107836911
You can opt into the Beta version in the app and gain access to DLSS 4.5 presets.