>try to use modern distro>systemd >pipewire >wayland>escape to void>no one uses void>try to escape to gentoo>can’t login unless i use elogind What the fuck do I use now? Why is IBM so obsessed with occupying every single aspect of Linux like it’s the West Bank?
Really? Pipewire is an issue to you? I understand autistic UNIXbros bitching about systemd on philosophical grounds, but fucking PIPEWIRE isn't good enough for you? Enjoy your sound crackling on pulseaudio, then.
>>107954150I’d rather take ALSA over this bullshit IBM-funded corposhit. What the fuck happened to truly FOSS software, nigga? Why the fuck is a company working with the literal US Department of Defense forcing everyone to use their protocols and their systems? I don’t want to use Wayland, I don’t want to use dbus, or elogind, or PAM, or PipeWire, or whatever other corporot they’ll shove down my throat to use. Systemd is shit, and it’s done nothing but be an example of the ongoing enshittification of Linux.
>>107954190It is foss tho? foss doesn't mean no corporate contributions. it also does not mean tiny libs only. It means foss code and license. Change small details or cut nearly everything out, your choice.>>107954138You can set up gentoo the way you want. It can drop you to a full system in a busybox shell with a login based on a webauthn nfc smartcard being scanned by a nfc smartcard reader.Or yes, elogind or systemd or w/e. IDK what exactly you want but since I get the impression you want something more exotic, it is probably one of the better choices?
>>107954190Go write your own sound system then. Fork the existing ones if you have to. Nobody is stopping you. Same goes for logind etc. If you don't want to use it, modify the existing software so it doesn't depend on it.It's free software, do what you want with it.
jesus christ, we get it, you're a contrarian with no personality
>>107954190If they are libre software, who cares if the Pentagon contributes? They need to use decent software themselves and this is how they acquire it.So, name one problem that systemd or pipewire have introduced to your Linux experience.
>>107954190truly FOSS software was always a meme. the kernel itself is full of corporate and government contributions.
>>107954138>no one uses voidHow is this an issue to (You)?
>>107954190Pipewire runs on top of ALSA, you're already using it. If you don't want to use pipewire, just use straight ALSA I guess. I don't think anyone stops you from doing that.
>>107954138>try to use modern distro>everything worksI know, horrifying, innit?
>>107954138You don't need elogind to log in though.
>>107954190You can you OpenBSD's sndio on top of alsa. Firefox supports it if you compile the +sndio option in Gentoo (don't know about other distros).https://sndio.org/
>>107954190>complains about the enshittification of Linux>doesn't want to do anything to help fix itCurious!
>>107954138FYI, elogind on gentoo is a special fork which implements the logind interface while also removing all systemd dependencies.I also run gentoo with X elogind -systemd -wayland -pipewire in my USE.
>>107954725there was a gentoo/funtoo thread a while ago, anons have been talking there about how the gentoo foundation has been overrun with google employees shoving in systemd everywhere and making it harder to use without it, I am gonna hop from fArtix and try to see what has changed, I hope the compile times won't kill my enthusiasm, last time I got pissed at the fact that portage was pulling different versions of llvm as a dependency instead of using the lastest one available which made me rage quit as I could not separate them for some reason. Concluding, I hope it is still worth it as I like the USE flags and having control over my distro, however it seems like those extremely tedious to compile packages such as llvm, browsers etc. are insufferable to many
>no one uses voidI do
>>107954190Not everyone is autistic like you.
>gentoo elogindConsoleKit was default in gentoo until 2020. Thank the troons.https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2020-04-14-elogind-default.html
>>107954949>I hope the compile times won't kill my enthusiasmFEATURES="getbinpkg"
>>107955043I know that, but then again the point of the distro is to COMPILE FROM SOURCE, no?
>>107955054That feature doesn't take anything away from you except for the optimizations specific to your unique CPU. This is because it will compile any packages that it cannot find a binary with matching USE flags when compared against your setup.
>>107955026>mentality I don't like - autisticare you 5?
>>107954138The void manual has a few pages dedicated to setting up turnstile and seatd to avoid elogind. Don't know about avoiding pipewire since pulseaudio is more of the same. Also don't know how you could avoid Dbus. If you figure out how to use skarnet.org software please write a huge blog about out and link it here cause I'd love to read it>>107955054I get why compiling from source should make the software faster, but in practice, you are likely to only see a real performance increase if the software can exploit your CPU's quirks when compiling for it specifically, such vector instructions in modern CPUs making stuff like ffmpeg faster and whatnot. The real fun about gentoo is employing the use flags to cut out shit you don't want in your system
>>107954138>systemd The superior init system, objectively, /g/ will seethe but it's the truth.>pipewire Bloated mess, but nobody forces you to use it, use ALSA which just work (once you unmute it).>waylandGarbase clusterfuck of horrible ideasAlso nobody forces you to use it, X + picom + dwm just werks.>can’t login unless i use elogind And?>try to escape to gentooI suggest trying again with gentoo's systemd profile.>>107954190>Systemd is shitInit scripts for services are an awful idea that was already obsolete in the 80's>What the fuck happened to truly FOSS software, nigga?Basically people like you would rather complain than write code, so the actual programmers decide the direction?>>107954949>anons have been talkingMore like one OpenBSD schizo was monologueing and shilling against Gentoo.
>>107954138There's always barber college.
>>107957887>The superior init system, objectively, /g/ will seethe but it's the truth.I have used dinit and it's pretty much the same but less bloated and without unnecessary complications>Bloated mess, but nobody forces you to use it, use ALSA which just work (once you unmute it).there is a guy with proper ALSA .config who still refuses to post it, I am sadly forced to use pulse due to the fact my audio card works with it by default>more like one OpenBSD schizo was monologueing and shilling against Gentoo.it was more like a critique of the current state of gentoo but other anons touched various topics such as openrc dev being a pretentious faggot and current gentoo lead a furry tranny
I don't know what it is you guys do on this distros other than post on 4chan and masturbate, just like normies do. I will be using Ubuntu for linux as it looks the prettiest and I will be installing Gentoo, one time, when I get a shitty old laptop. Just to get the basics of linux down.
I find it funny how every single time you start talking about doing something different in YOUR *personal* computer, a bunch of retards come in to tell you to not do that and shame you for wanting to because... they just don't want you to.Also, >>107954138I think you can still use Gentoo to escape all the Red Hat bullshit, it just takes effort. The quick way is FreeBSD or OpenBSD, but there's no guaranteed compatibility (especially with OpenBSD) even though it's been much better than it used to be
>>107954190BASEDdon't listen to those arselickers
>>107958130I develop software and I like to control as much as I can of my system.>as it looks the prettiestUbuntu looks like shit though.Quite honestly all DEs look bad, either an imitation of Windows or of MacOS or of Android.>>107958137>a bunch of retards come in to tell you to not do thatNobody said that though. You're free.
Last thread where Gentoo was exposed:>>107892690Bonus posts from Gentoo shills trying to slide information off the board:>>107937427 (and about 10 more posts)>our system thinks your post is spamOh yes. Can't cross reference posts if it's anything important but those faggot shills can do it all day and never get his with the spam filter.
>>107958281My favorite where /g/ is mentioned on the mailing lists: >>107937480
>>107937550Reminder these people have names and faces.
>yep the openbsd shill is here to make another hacker distro thread unusable
>>107954138>>107954190THIS>>107954150>>107954289Alsa already exists and is far more powerful than you or 99% of /g/ realize. I learned it and switched to it back in pulseaudio days. It does absolutely everything you can imagine, with unparalleled reliability and latency. I see absolutely no reason to add unnecessary points of failure into my audio system.But yes, the enshittification of Linux is getting seriously concerning, and the future looks grim. All the oldschool C programming GPL UNIX neckbeards have become goose farmers, and the generation that replaced them are furry sodomites who love rust, MIT licenses and to choke on big corporate cock all while having anti-capitalists stickers on their laptops, ironically enough.I will never EVER use Wayland or anything adjacent to it. Gentoo is my choice of distro as it still allows the most freedom while being surprisingly reliable (my daily driver devbox desktop is running a 7 year old install).
>>107958306Are the openbsd shills in the room with us right now? It's curious how you're always here trying to claim everyone else is the shill while advocating for systemd.My guess: Someone on the council with access to the private mailing list. Since any time the political aspects of the Gentoo distro have been discussed in the past 5 years you people instantly flood every thread claiming there is nothing going on and it's no big deal.Really funny how you're attempting to paint someone that claimed to run and contribute to multiple kernels as "shilling" for one in particular. You people have been desperate to figure out who within your ranks has broken ranks and leaked out information since he first showed up here years ago. You follow people around to multiple small websites and think it's one person. You're too stupid to figure out that you've pissed off so many people that it isn't one person.That's what happens when you take something over people loved and kick out everyone that were contributing. You make enemies.
>>107958318>Alsa already exists and is far more powerful than you or 99% of /g/ realizeIndeed, it's difficult to learn how to control and configure it but it's very powerful.>All the oldschool C programming GPL UNIX neckbeards have become goose farmersTo be fair it's just the way of life, good things come, have their golden period and then eventually die or turn into something that is an undead mockery of its original and natural state as are current Linux desktop and Rust.C and UNIX themselves have always been full of bad and outdated ideas, and the FOSS movement largely failed to achieve its goals, I believe the time is ripe to begin a new project that takes into consideration the mistakes of the past, of course I'll keep using Linux as long as my setup works but I see nothing more than a dead end ahead for Linux and other UNIX systems.
>>107958397It's a problem of hardware. The FOSS community never had control of the hardware and the people that do have shut the FOSS community down every time it made minimal progress. So we've spent the last three decades chasing our tails attempting to make stuff like>GPUs>Modems and wireless cards>various misc. hardwarework by having to reverse engineer the drivers. The fact that the modern x86 system relies on what is a blackbox to output graphics being the main issue. But they've pulled the same trick on us over and over again.We will have to maintain UNIX until the end of the time even if we build something new. Since that's what will be required to maintain support for all the legacy software (Windows/DOS shit included). But there is no point in attempting to build a new OS on top of anything until we control the hardware and have fully FOSS drivers all the way down to bare metal.Just look at what they did to CPUs in the last 20 years. We had fully open CPUs for the most part. The worse thing was just some hidden opcodes that were easy enough to fuzz and figure out. But now there is an entire UNIX-like OS running in Ring -1 beyond our control that we can do nothing about. Even on systems where it's disabled it's still running. No one knows if disabling the ME/PSP really works and we can never be sure. Then on later versions of CPUs they even took that away.It has just been one dirty trick after another. First with licensing autism to drive in-fighting and fragmentation. Then later all this crap like systemd to drive in-fighting and fragmentation within the GPL side the moment it gained a little progress. On the other end you have the famous split between the BSD advocates. Where now we have things like file systems and GPU drivers that comprise more lines of code than the entire kernel+base system. On the linux side you get horrible design like PID1 being millions of lines of code that's impossible to audit loading things like logind as root
>>107958355Lmao I'm just a random guy.>run and contribute to multiple kernelsStill no code, still no proof, only thing you've confirmed is that you like OpenBSD and that you hate Gentoo, you will be called a schizo shill and receive no respect until proven otherwise, as simple as that.
>>107958530>Just a random guy that happens to show up to every thread where discussion is happening. Contributes nothing. Desperately wants everyone else to dox themselves. Posts images he has to source from google image searches in an attempt to fit-in that always advocates for Red Hat software like systemd, dbus, PAM, policykit. All while claiming everyone else is shitting up the threads.
>>107958551meds now
>>107954725This post is a lie and/or outdated information posted by a retard. Gentoo no longer maintains elogind. They ditched it for systemd-logind years ago because>The threat of logind having hard requirement on systemd didn't pan outSo now elogind is maintained by other distros who all hate it because the systemd-logind project goes out of its way to break compatibility with elogind every release. Thousands of hours of time have been wasted trying to maintain elogind.Up until 4-5 years ago Gentoo used Consolekit2 to keep support for Gnome and KDE. But it was removed because>lack of developmentwhich was a lie. Considering all the BSDs still maintain and use it. This was when the logind default was forced.Using -systemd USE flag does not stop all the systemd libs from ending up on your system. Considering they're all installed by default on all desktop profiles. The OpenRC profile uses everything from systemd to make things work now. The only thing you've done is swap systemd init for the awful OpenRC init. The OpenRC project should have been renamed years ago. Considering the current OpenRC isn't even the same thing anymore and it basically a bad systemd clone.To avoid all this crap now requires using masks in multiple places plus package.provided and other things to exclude libs by file name. Which wasn't the case 5-6 years ago before the current people that ruined the distro started forcing Red Hat software upon everyone and breaking the EAPI and long standing USE flags.So you either don't know what you're talking about or you're spreading lies on purpose.
I see the IIA of the DoD is hard at work supporting their provider (IBM/RH)https://files catbox moe (/) bhpmsy.pdfDont let the bioluminescence hide>Our system think your post is spamOy vey
this thread feels familiar for some reason
>>107958318>and to choke on big corporate cock all while having anti-capitalists stickers on their laptops, ironically enough.Ironically indeed. I'll never understand this.
>>107958738It's the same thing we see in a lot of manufactured sub-cultures. They want to feel like rebels but they don't want to live the life of actual rebels. Which would exclude them from having jobs/careers with large companies.So we now have a bunch of people claiming to>fight da powahWhile working for the corporations and Government that are openly oppressing everyone.
>>107958551>Posts images he has to source from google image searchesThe fuck are you talking about?>always advocates for Red Hat softwareI only like systemd, KVM and LVM from Red Hat, all impeccable software in my opinion, as I said before I use X + picom + dwm and ALSA for desktop, I don't particularly like Dbus but don't hate it, I disable PAM and policikit through use flags.>Desperately wants everyone else to dox themselvesYou're the one that uses an extremely recognizable posting style and continuosly makes claims of having contributed to Linux distros and BSDs in an attempt to gain authority in discussion, why would you make these claims if you're not ready to prove them?
>>107954138>https://github.com/AtlasLinuxThere you go, start contributing or shut up retard
>>107958723This thread feels like /g/ from many many years ago. Real genuine Linux users on /g/? You don't see them anymore. They're even posting opinions perhaps worth reading for once too.
>>107958752>They want to feel like rebels but they don't want to live the life of actual rebels.It's even worse than that, imho. The modern "left" supports a crap ton of stuff that only benefits the "capital", as they would say. Not chocking on big corporate cock as Anon said wouldn't imply any sacrifice, just being coherent. But alas.
>>107958815>from scratch OS>implements LinuxWhat a waste of time.
>>107958355are you the miles mathis fan from that last gentoo threaddo you really think he refuted von neumann and gödel
>>107954138OP, we are living in the "meme it till you make it " era. Things are pushed not because they are good but because they serve a nefarious function. AI, memelang Rust, Wayland, dbus, systemd, all make Linux standardized and easily controllable via the MIT license. I say we live in a "meme it till you make it" era because the new replacements are often times inferior to the tools which existed before.
>>107958854Yeah it's pretty obvious it's the same schizo sperg lol
>>107958723The same glow niggers show up every time something like the OP is posted. Just look at how they instantly resort to personal attacks on the author, refuse to stay on-topic and then flood into the thread in groups.
>>107958723it's a coda to the last gentoo thread
Gentoo has a code of conduct. Never understood why it gets a pass when the CoCk has ruined so many other FOSS projects.https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Code_of_conduct
>>107958806>I only like systemd, KVM and LVM from Red Hat, all impeccable software in my opinionwewhttps://ewontfix.com/14/
>>107958860>make Linux standardized and easily controllable via the MIT licensesystemd is LGPL.>the new replacements are often times inferior to the tools which existed beforesystemd is objectively superior to SysV style of init.>>107958928>Gentoo has a code of conduct.It doesn't include politics though, all its rules are reasonable to me.4chan has a code of conduct too in the sense that it has rules for moderating discussion.
>>107958957>systemd is objectively superior to SysV style of init.Same tired false argument they used to push it into Debian.>systemd is LGPL.>please ignore all the other stuff we're pushingLinux is GPL too didn't stop the kernel from being taken over.>It doesn't include politics though, all its rules are reasonable to me.Right, no politics. Which is why an entire forum had to be deleted because someone said a mean word and the council was concerned about>alt-right conspiracy theoriesBut no politics. CoCk doesn't apply to them of course. Let's just pretend multiple people haven't been banned and run out of the project since it was adopted.>4chan has a code of conductRight, and it has been a bastion for free speech for the last 10 years. Oh wait...
Alright /g/entoo thread, let's go over this>don't have wayland>don't have pipewire>don't have flatpak>don't have Xorg (using XLibre, I've heard I could go for Xenocara instead...? former's working well enough however and I no longer get tearing even without picom)>don't have systemd (only half of it I suppose)Still to go:>udev>dbus>pulseaudio>policykit>pam>elogind>dist-kernel (was supposed to build it from source something like a week after I installed Gentoo but got lazy)>openrc (ideally would like to switch it for s6 but I don't know how hard that'll be, probably very, or at least very exhausting)>probably more I've forgotten or don't know aboutCurrently removing udev and elogind, a little upset I'll be losing my powermenu I use loginctl for, will have to find a way to make that work again
>>107959028>XlibreDoes anyone run it on a Gentoo system with an Nvidia card?My system's ran Xorg for the better part of a decade, I value long-term reliability. I wouldn't switch but the news I keep hearing about Xorg scare me more and more.
>>107959211Yes. They apparently patched in the detection code or what it was (you needed to use some config before that) right before I started using it. It just worked for me.
>>107959211* also what's even the risk, snapshot your filesystem or quickpkg the xorg packages you will be replacing or w/e before you switch and there isn't even a compile, not that you really should worry about compiles
>>107959211> I wouldn't switch but the news I keep hearing about Xorg scare me more and more.What did he mean by this?
>>107958939>https://ewontfix.com/14/I don't see good arguments in that article, maybe in 2014 it was unstable but not today, I never had systemd crash on me or give me stability problems since when I've started using it, on the other hand my old open openrc install wrecked itself once (I don't remember the exact reason but it was after an update) and I wasted an entire day recovering my system.As for the attack surface, from what I've see of the code the core is well written, and I doubt other init got this amount of work and maintenance in them, as for its secondary components they are mostly optional, if you don't want say systemd-homed just don't use it, personally I don't use it.>>107959028>dbusIf applications you use hard-depend of this for their IPC there is no way to not depend on it, check which of your applications depend on this. (assuming here that you use openrc and no desktop environments)>pulseaudioThere is a relevant use flag to disable, just use ALSA as replacement.>policykit>pamThere are relevant use flags you can disable. You'll have to manually login and start graphical session (no display manager) but it's fine. I'd disable PAM in OpenSSH config just to be sure.>udev>elogindThese are the most difficult ones.Honestly I don't think it's worth it to mess with either, particularly udev, as for elogind years ago I had rootless Xorg setup with no elogind, it's definitely possible though you have to assign the proper permission to your non-root user for input and graphics devices, I also had an alternative script to startx which I have lost.>a little upset I'll be losing my powermenuNot sure exactly what you were using it for but you can use the /sys kernel interface for sleep and hibernate:# for sleep:echo mem > /sys/power/state# for hibernate: echo disk > /sys/power/stateYou'll also need to set proper permission if you want to use these with non-root user.
# for sleep:echo mem > /sys/power/state# for hibernate: echo disk > /sys/power/state
>>107959211Just dont update xorg then? Lmfao this is like switching from chromium to firefox
i'm not the schizo (i'm the one who wanted to see the man pages she wrote) but OpenBSD and NetBSD are very nice alternatives if they support your hardware. the latter is closer to Gentoo than the former.https://netbsd.org/docs/pkgsrc/configuring.htmlif you prefer not to compile your own packages, the pre-built packages have acceptable defaults. all my software uses SunAudio, Chromium and Firefox included.https://man.netbsd.org/audio.4Wayland will not become the standard on any of them because its whole structure is built on top of Linux.
>>107959398>I don't see good arguments in that articleOf course the retard sees no problem with millions of lines of code with WONTFIX bugs running as root and PID1.
>>107959211For the moment I see no reason no switch from Xorg to Xlibre, although I welcome the fact that we might have an alternative I prefer to wait until (and if) it becomes more mature, reliable and tested.
>>107959452they continued from xorg. it's not like an xorg release has got vastly more reliability testing.
>>107959601They actually went back four major versions to fork off and refuse to explain why.t. Xenocara fan
>>107959442i say that because OpenBSD's culture considers any deviation from the standards established by the development team to be taboo. for example, you are discouraged from compiling your own kernel and ports. it's not like that on NetBSD
>>107959629it seems like they had the the commits until at least late may when they forked in julydid xorg explain why they didn't take the tens of thousands of commits xlibre has? it gets silly
>>107954138You can login without elogind on gentoo. I don't remember how I did it but I don't have elogind installed and I can in fact login. I just use the regular TTY login and startx. I don't have instructions but look up how to do it I guess.
>>107959701>did xorg explain why they didn't take the tens of thousands of commits xlibre has?Of course they did. Go look at who's controlling the project at FreeDesktop. You'll see the same people over and over again: people developing Gnome and Wayland.Why would you accept commits for a project you're trying hard to kill off?
>>107959717You go back to the old default. Enable the suid USE flag for Xorg. Then you can log-in without a logind clone like everyone did before logind was forced into every last distro for "security" reasons.They never mention that logind runs as root as all times. When it's their software running as root all of the time is a-okay.You can also try seatd or one of the many other attempts to replicating this garbage set-up. Things like dbus aren't really required by anything else. udev can be replaced with mdev or you can run a fully static /dev (which would actually be more secure but requires you to do some work upfront).
>>107959717>I just use the regular TTY login and startxYou can always do that if you run startx as root, the reason of this is because it needs permissions to access input and graphics devices, so if you want to run it as non-root user you need to give those permissions to your users, usually you would do this via groups.>>107959762Well I wouldn't call the UNIX permission system exactly secure, it's by far one of the most outdated aspects of Linux.
>>107954138even linuxfromscratch uses udev from systemd, but you can replace it with mdev from busybox.You don't need any logind or seatd to run xorg as a normal user. You just have to be in input and video groups and start xorg in the tty you are currently logged into. Xorg by default starts in the first available tty which is un-logged in, hence needing suid root.
>>107959786There is nothing unsecure about using suid or assigning access to input/graphic devices to your user account. The only place where this might be a concern is if you're trying to field a bunch of workstations in a corporate environment where you're actively hostile towards your own users. The average home user has no security concerns where one application seeing another is going to be an issue.Outside of a web browser of course which you shouldn't be running under your main user account anyway. But that's more of a statement about how horrible modern web browsers are than it is about UNIX's permission system.
>>107959786>UNIX permission systempeople forget or never knew that this was done bc some daemons were deleting other daemons files, not bc of security or anya ton of unix culture is hacks needed on the moment that they were rationalized onto being part of an overall design, some are good some are not, we should improve on thosewayland and systemd are aberrations anywayhas the arcan fag managed to do something?
>>107959843>has the arcan fag managed to do something?New release just a few weeks ago: https://arcan-fe.com/2025/12/27/arcan-0-7-1-minutes-to-midnight/
>>107959803>hence needing suid rootI believe you don't need suid, you can tell the X server which tty to use and it only matters that your user has permission for that tty (which can be the current tty which should have the permissions set already):startx -- vt$(fgconsole) You may make it into a shell alias for convenience.Basically we are reinventing logind.>>107959824It was more of a general statement about UNIX permissions than something related to this specific case, suid, sgid and sticky bit are the worst part of it in my opinion, actual hacks, very counterintuitive and easy to get wrong.>The average home user has no security concerns where one application seeing another is going to be an issueIndeed the use main case for software like logind was not single-user systems I believe.In a sense in a single-user system you might even just do everything as root (I don't do this, but I often wonder if this is a better approach for a truly minimal system) and use proper sandboxing like apparmor for untrusted applications like browsers, I don't know about you but if my non-root user were to run compromised software I would be fucked as it has access to all my data, furthermore if it can run undetected if can easily log your sudo password and get root.>>107959843>this was done bc some daemons were deleting other daemons files, not bc of security or anyDo you have a source? I always like to read about computing history.
startx -- vt$(fgconsole)
>>107954138>no one uses voidwhy does it matter?if no one uses void, then no one will try to trannify it with RUST, wayland or some other bs.personally, i loved slitaz linux, but after the spectre/meldown situation, and the fact that everything linux went to shit, slitaz basically stopped developing it, so i'm in an operating system frozen in time.
>>107960013>Do you have a source? I always like to read about computing history.i read in more than one place, but the only one i remember is the unix haters handbook. and i do recommend it to anyone that like computing history, even if you dont like their takes or consider them lisp obsessed
>>107954138what's wrong with systemd pipewire and wayland?every distro i tried uses them and i dont have to interact with those parts so i assume they just werk why would you even care about them?
>>107960601>>107960325Can someone explain to me where these people are getting images with these file names? They're always low quality copies of the original image with similar file names.
>>107960904mv yourgayname.jpg 1763821465417534.jpgyou can do it too
mv yourgayname.jpg 1763821465417534.jpg
>>107960924Nice try. But it's obvious you're sharing images together somewhere. A real person would use descriptive file names or use a different kind of hash for storing locally. They also wouldn't save 10th generation copies of stuff at lower resolutions than the originals. You people always show up as a group so I thought I'd ask.I assume it's discord.
>>107954190You're absolutely right about everything you just said.Sadly, most Linux users and devs disagree. OpenBSD and Haiku are closer to what you seem to want.
>>107960939>Sadly, most Linux users and devs disagreeActually. Most users and developers didn't want any of this shit. But they all got banned and silenced. The systemd thread on the Debian mailing list was proof enough of that. But the same thing has been repeated over and over again.It's always a small core group of IBM shills bullying everyone and using things like the CoC to get rid of anyone that won't fall in-line.
>>107960936this is an imageboard not a filenameboardas i showed you can change the name of the file so you can do it too
>>107960936>>107960954actual schizophrenia
>>107960957You can try to deflect all you want but you all got caught because you were too dumb to rename files before uploading them here in an attempt to look like organic posters.I probably shouldn't have mentioned it because now you all we start doing just that.
>>107958318>It does absolutely everything you can imagineper-application volume controls?
>>107960971you can name files anything you want on 4chantypically the file is not related to the post unless explicitly mentioned
>>107960968He's a schizo. All real touhou fans save images of their favorite girl in low resolution with artifacts and rename them to random hashes using the mv command. >>107960987>typically the file is not related to the post unless explicitly mentionedIt's related to the fact that you're all saving images from the same place and flooding any thread where actual anons are discussing things you don't like.You aren't fooling anyone.
>>107954138blame the freedesktop mafia, they're the ones making the year of the linux desktop impossible by releasing dogshit protocols and software on purpose.it's basically a redhat subsidiary at this point so they'll support whatever retardation redhat wants to inflict upon us like soitemd ultra dependency and xdg-portal jail
>>107954289>dude just become a highly adept systems programmer who's learned in literally every type of kernel and middle layer processThe type of classic deliberately obtuse response you get from leftoids.
use freebsd
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:>=x11-base/xlibre-server-9999 udevAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:>=x11-base/xlibre-server-9999 udev
>>107961003you can change names to whatever you want copy a few of these names into an LLM and ask it what the names mean
>>107960936what the fuck are you talking about? this kind of filename are the ones you usually get when you download images from 4chan via "save as...".for instance if I right click the "kaguya at computer" image posted by >>107959028 this is the default name I get as you can see in pic relatedi can seriously not tell if you're trolling anymore
>>107961058I'm aware of what an imageboard hashes a file as. This doesn't change the fact that they always show up as a group, posting crappy overly compressed images that no one in their right mind would save long term, using a recent filehash as the file name. Then they turn around and post lame deflections like>I'm using the mv command and naming it randomly for <reasons>Now it's even more curious because you're defending them. Do you people really think everyone else is so stupid that they don't notice what you're doing? It's obvious you people raid every thread that has anything to do with Gentoo. Someone got really angry about something and you've all gone into full on damage control mode.
stop feeding the schizo, he's conspiracy retard nocoder larper.
>>107961087you're like /a/'s beloved anti crack kun if he had gotten into unix instead of bad yuri anime. jeez
>>107961014freebsd is linux litehttps://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxKPIhttps://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=inotify&manpath=FreeBSD+15.0-STABLEhttps://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct/https://wiki.freebsd.org/evdevDO NOT USE FREEBSD use netbsd and pkgsrc
>>107961095>>107961118Back to personal insults I see. You all never have anything of value to contribute or say. Truly the cancer of this board. It's more sad than it is funny.Someone must have gotten really really angry about that Funtoo thread last week. You've all been turbo posting since some stuff from the Gentoo mailing lists were posted here.>retard nocoder larperYou've described everyone on the Gentoo coucil and community relations team.Since a few links to the mailing list have caused this type of reaction I wonder what else is waiting to be discovered. It seems like you all are desperate to keep eyes off the ML archives and the political structure of the project. A quick glance proved it had been taken over by Google and Red Hat employees. Something really funny must be on there waiting for someone to stumble upon it.
>>107961156speaking about that funtoo thread, would you mind telling me what miles mathis link I should post to get nuked
>>107961156i don't think you get itit's not that a bunch of glowies casting shadows around their shadowy rooms or gay zoomers on their discords band together to derail the threads. it's just that whenever you enter a thread you become the life of the party. you're much more fun than whatever it is that is wrong with dbus or elogind
>>107961045Use package.provided then you can proceed with installing it without the udev dependency.Here is a helpful guide: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:NeddySeagoon/YeOldeGentoo_2021_EditionYou can either use mdev or one of the other projects intended to replace udev or use a static /dev. I suggest static /dev. You'll have to manually setup all your devices but once you've done that you never have to mess with it again. You don't need auto-mounting for things like thumb drives. Mount them manually from the CLI like everyone did before udev became the standard.You can thank the same people shitting up this thread for pushing in hard requirements everywhere on things like udev. You used to be able to do all this stuff without having to resort to package.provided and masks.
>>107961197I don't think you get it. Most of the time I'm not in these threads since this board became unusable years ago. But any time I do lurk here you people are. Accusing everyone of being the same person, posting shit someone else posted years ago that you've somehow convinced yourselves that I posted and being ass hats in general.>it's not a bunch of gay zoomers on their discordsProjection. It's a bunch of gay zoomers on their discord and either coucil members and/or IBM/google employees (same thing).I don't know why you people are so dumb. You could have simply ignored that last thread and people would have forgotten about it in a week. But since you're so hellbent on raiding every Gentoo thread any anon posts others have started to notice and bring up the things you've been attempting to hide.
>>107954138>Why is IBM so obsessed with occupying every single aspect of Linux like it’s the West Bank?ironically, it's just like Israel's strategy with the illegal settlements in the West Bank: embrace, extend, extinguish
>>107961216>Accusing everyone of being the same personfor starters you think like half the posters in here calling you the open bsd shill or the schizo or whatever are IBM/google employees so maybe you should be mindful of that glass house of yours before you throw some stonessecond of all I don't think "everyone is the same person", but I do believe there is a particular anon with a very particular writing style that you can find on plenty of threads, one guy that was very active in that earlier gentoo thread as you seem to have been, and that said anon is very fond of the following talking points>1 linux has been ruined by red hat, ibm, google, etc>2 google in particular ruined gentoo>3 openbsd is alright though>4 linus betrayed us>5 stallman is a fraud>6 most people who disagree with or mock me are glowies or said red hat / ibm employees that are being specifically paid just to spread misinformation on a tibetan moving picture forumthere is probably some more stuff i could add to make a bingo or something. as of now we got 1 & 2 & 6 plus the honorable mention which is your really stiff writing style. there might be more stuff to include too but today i'm living a littlein any case I'm afraid said anon is you. will the real open bsd fan please stand up
>>107961287notice how xhe abandoned her identity as a developer of linux openbsd netbsd freebsd windows nt as soon as i asked to see the man pages xhe wrote. if i had said WOMAN pages perhaps xhe would have shown me something
>>107961311to be fair i wouldn't be retarded to post shit that could be linked to my irl work so kudos to him. that said it does make everything unfalsifiable so why even bother
>>107961287>for starters you think like half the posters in here calling you the open bsd shill or the schizo or whatever are IBM/google employees so maybe you should be mindful of that glass house of yours before you throw some stonesI don't think. I know. Maybe you all should be mindful not to save thumbnails and re-post them in the future and slow down on raiding every thread that has anything to do with Gentoo (or Red Hat software in general).>your writing styleYes I'm aware. I change it often. Which is why it's hilarious when I see you all sperging out on some random person in another thread. If some poor anon hits anything on your little bingo card you assume it's me and you start dumping the same shit over and over again while throwing around the same insults. Which mostly consists of calling everyone crazy no matter how much proof they post and never addressing anything of substance. It's like talking to an LLM trained on brain dead post-2020 4chan posts. Then you always attempt to take the thread off topic.You people always show up as a group too. It's at least 3-5 people. Always posting within seconds-minutes of each other. You try to control the narrative.Organic users do not act this way. They certainly don't go digging through years old archives looking for information in an attempt to dox someone while demanding they dox themselves. There is always a pause of 5-15 minutes where you all discuss what you're going to do before you return to the thread as a group. Like you all just did.Again you're being dumb and bringing attention to the things you don't want people reading about. Which I assume is more damning information within the Gentoo mailing list and IRC archives. A few links to it was enough to provoke this kind of reaction along with a little digging into the people currently in control of the coucil, kernel, OpenRC and the team enforcing the CoC. It's pretty funny to poke you people and see the reaction.
>>107961341You can not begin to imagine how much I wish you were right. Being paid to shitpost sounds like a dream but unfortunately I'm just unemployed. Speaking of that, if I really wanted to drown discussion on anti-systemd shit I'dl just sage every reply instead of bumping this shit it to page 1 (but I'll let you take half the credit). That aside, if you truly believe the Linux world has been hijacked by evil corpos, why don't you fucking act like it? If you think everything is bait, why the hell are biting? Why the hell are you humoring me? Look, let's not act naive here, you're the guy on that earlier Gentoo thread that inadvertedly made the thread about yourself. Not saying it's your fault, again, you're too close to being a lolcow for you own good, but why are you giving me, a humble IBM glownigger, the time of the day? Go fork the kernel or something. Go finish that redhat-free just werks distro you said you were developing on that earlier thread, jeez. I guarantee it will be much more rewarding and a better use of your time, apart from actually doing work towards saving linux or something, than arguing with spooks online
>>107961216>>107961287>>107961341>>107961407i love you twoautism boxing should be in the olympics
>>107961323a manual page does not identify its author and you're retarded if you contribute using your real namealice here informed us about her commit access to openbsd and that she frequents the mailing lists. if this is true and she is contributing to openbsd under her real name, as she herself implied, then it would be easy to identify her>>107961341i don't like you
>>107961407look, she chganged the filename, she learned
nigga why the fuck did the actual red hat schizo come in i was just expressing frustration over red hat's israeli occupation
>>107961430>a manual page does not identify its authorthen any random page would suffice and we could never verify itwe still haven't solved the "my dad works at nintendo" problem>>107961441both these posts >>107961058 >>107961118 are mine you moronic new nigga
>>107961457plot thickens
>>107954138Autists like this is why no one actually takes desktop linux seriously. Anyone productive just wants a thing that works so they can do their actual work, but anon thinks this type of behavior will somehow benefit him once hes done nitpicking every single component of his OS.
The desperation to dox someone so they can try and ban them from contributing patches and run a smear campaign on social media is really pathetic. As we've seen multiple times in the past:https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhathttps://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat2What's funny is even if they managed to dox me they'd just get laughed at and told to fuck off. Since it'd be pretty damn hard to replace me and no one wants to piss me off. Considering how much important stuff I've been maintaining for decades now.As far as "doing something about it" I am. I'm pointing out how many useless people have weaseled their way into positions of power and swing around ban hammers. Chasing away people that actually do stuff. I don't like the project the guy above is writing. But I certainly sympathize with his plight and could get along with it. He would have a discussion in good faith instead of doing this snarky bullshit these people raiding the Gentoo threads always do.Pull your heads out of your own ass. I don't care if you're getting paid or doing it for free. You're still annoying faggots that contribute nothing worth using or reading. All you people do is censor people you don't like and make up reasons to justify it. Stop pretending to be some kind of radicals fighting against the power while you take orders from the likes of IBM, Microsoft, the DoD and all the other organizations that have shit up the internet and software for the past 2 decades.Stuff like this: >>107961484 convinces no one. It's similar to the>glow niggers aren't interested in you because you're boringwhile they openly gather metadata and spy on everyone for simply existing. If there is a hell all of you are going straight to it. I for one look forward to no longer having to share a space with you lying insufferable faggots.
>ITT: user with tons of options complains about how he isn't being catered tooYawn Install gentlo
>>107961457she stated in the previous thread that she had written manual pages for various operating systems so any of them would do really>Do you consider the hours and hours of time you've spent reading the man pages I write for multiple OSs a "waste of time"?>>107961511>Considering how much important stuff I've been maintaining for decades now.let's see them
>>107954997How is it? Any difficulties you run into?
