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>CASE
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ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU
Gaming: 14600K, 7/9600X, 7/9800X3D
Budget: 12400, 12600K, 7500F
Workstation: 265K, 9950X3D

*Multiple manufacturers report issues on AM5 platforms. New BIOS dropped.
*Raptor Lake microcode updating is mandatory

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Lian Li Galahad II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (AM5 mount icky)
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-7, MX-4, Duronaut, *PTM 7950, Kryosheet
*Most listings online are not actually 7950

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AM5), 6400CL32 (LGA 1700)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget.), 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
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>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt
-Used: 2080, 2080ti
*<16 gb constrained even at 1080p
Midrange: 5060ti 16GB, 9070, 5070
-Used: 3080, 3080ti, 4070 (~$380)
4k : 9070xt, 5070ti
-Native/High-end: 5090
-Mad science: RTX Pro

>PSU
Buying guide:
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>MONITOR
1080p: 24" 165/180hz, KTC H25X7
1440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), ASUS XG27AQWMG (WOLED but not yet in stores)
4K: KTC M27P6 (miniLED)
*Pulsar monitors dropping, consider waiting for more reviews.

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>>108197896
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CXMT RAM COMING SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
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hink for yourself. Do not trust advice given here. Do your own research using the information in the stickies.

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>News & Rumors
AMD Ryzen 10000 16-core (8+8), 20-core (10+10) and 24-core (12+12)
Intel XeSS 3 now out for Arc B- and A- series (meh)
Steam console delayed, price raised because of RAM
Memory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027
DLSS presets M and L for ultra-performance with DLSS 4.5. Turing & Ampere significant performance hit, issues on ada & low end blackwell
6x and dynamic framegen coming in the spring
G-Sync Pulsar is being reviewed
Prices rise for everything. Anons keep bitching about it.

>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps, currently only lists a selection of AM5 boards but is being actively updated : https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide : https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism : https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Monitor reviews : https://www.rtings.com/
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Finally. Now >>108202009 keep it going for a couple of weeks, going for some smokes.

>kek
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>>108202057
the captchas reset on my desktop since i rarely post so im getting the 3x5 sets with the weird arrows

its an abstract kind of hell
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Blessed thread of Christian unity against the great satan (shit be upon his head).
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Am I supposed to replaced my water cooler after a certain years?
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>>108202064
>its an abstract kind of hell
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>>108202069
when I built a custom loop 10 years ago the coolant was meant to be good for like 2 years

coolant in cars these days is "life long" but then again cars are designed to be scrapped after like 10 years

i didnt consider this but i guess AIO's lose performance after a few years.
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>>108202103
>i didnt consider this but i guess AIO's lose performance after a few years
That's what I'm thinking too. A mutual friend of mine and I had a talk about how he also replaced cooler after it started making weird noise 2 years down the line. I was thinking maybe I might have to do it too.
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>>108202067
Thats not very /pcbg/, anon, here we accept all PC operating system platforms. Your search for spiritual enlightenment should start outside of the cesspool that is /g/. Here, try: https://www.gaychurch.org/
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is the rampocalypse over? I can't sell my ram... nobody is buying... ive dropped the price constantly
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>>108202123
>I can't sell my ram... nobody is buying... ive dropped the price constantly
Too many scammers on the market now, normies have caught on and it's scared them off.
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>>108202120
nvidia is the great satan.
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>>108202133
Now we all know just who wrote that.
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>>108202123
indian scammers run ebay from the inside. They manipulate all of the "ranking" systems. Ever wonder why there are so many books for sale at lower than the shipping cost?
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>>108202133
Nvidia is the Belphegor of tech.
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>>108202118
It's kind of fucked up but I paid like $80 for my arctic freeze III 360, amazon somehow gave me a huge discount because of the box being damaged.

you would pay like $80 for a single CPU water block, hopefully i get a solid 5 years out of this cooler, i did kind of think about going custom loop again though...

and if you really dislike the fact coolant goes bad, there are refillable AIO's apparently, just get the best quality one?
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>>108202168
>>108202118
https://www.bequiet.com/en/watercooler/5184

Apparently most of the bequiet AIO's have refill ports and they're highly rated performance wise.
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>>108202156
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>>108202204
That's the capra demon.
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>>108202123
wait until everyone is selling at %300 from msrp then swoop in and sell at %250 or %200 if low speed ram
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I recently got my hands on a RTX 4070 but I'm having trouble identifying whether It is the 4070S or 4070.

I'm using a 7800 XT and I kind of dont want to uninstall my drivers and install those Nvidia drivers either. Is there any way to figure it out? Did they brand the actual chip with Super because for some reason both cards have the SAME design
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>>108202252
Install HWinfo or GPU-Z, see what identifies your card as. If it does not say SUPER then its not the Super.
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>>108202252
Read the sticker on the card
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>>108202123
>>108202242
>selling 32GB 6000CL30 for under $300
>no offers
>no views
The RAMpocalypse is over...
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>>108202252
>im having trouble identifying whether it is the 4070s or 4070

install gpu
windows key + r
type dxdiag
press enter
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>>108202015
its just a scamsung b-die clone
hynix is still king
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I am a moron who needs to be spoonfed information. I'm looking to upgrade my motherboard and case, both of which are over seven years old and were on the lower end when even when I purchased them. (Specifically, Asus PRIME B450M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard / Deepcool TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case).

The issue I'm having is that every information source I find basically says "Don't worry lmao, be cheap". And, yeah sure point taken, but I'd like to know a little more than that. Are any particular motherboards in vogue? Is there anything to avoid with cases? FWIW I do not give a SINGLE gnat's anus about RGB LEDs.
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>>108202302
ebay isn't an efficient market since there are too few auctions, these days.

Therefore, ebay prices can't be interpreted like a stock market.

Everything gets worse.
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>>108202345
no, there is no darling anymore. asus fell from grace, asrock has had problems with x3d. but, I don't think anyone should buy x3d.
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>>108202353
>I don't think anyone should buy x3d
is there a good reason for this or is it just poorfag cope?
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>>108202353
I'm currently using Ryzen 7 5800x3d. Should I just keep using the 7 year old mobo and wait until I buy a new CPU?
... Is the correct decision literally to just dump a 5060ti into my current build and change literally nothing else?
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>>108202376
The reason for upgrading is my current 3060ti is experiencing extremely difficult to diagnose crashing, which causes my entire PC to freeze and makes playing online games impossible. I'd prefer to splash the funds to buy a modern GPU rather than pay someone a hundred dollars or more to try to troubleshoot the problem and then tell me they can't replicate it.
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>>108202367
that's not a chip measure, that's a retail product, and as others have pointed out impacted by the chongs going on holiday to the sticks.
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>>108202368
idk, live fast, get lucky or whatever. I'm never lucky, so I just totally forget about the "mountain paths," as the Tao Te Ching calls the.
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>>108202295
Does the CHIP label 4070 Super. I cant tell with these dogshit re-releases of cards that are EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME.
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>>108202376
>dump a 5060ti into my current build and change literally nothing else?
Pretty much. There's not much point in upgrading your mobo or case, unless they aren't doing what you need them to.
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>>108202578
There is a barcode sticker on the card that refers to a specific SKU
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>>108202376
>AM4 motherboard
Little reason to buy a new AM4 this late in the game unless you that one dies and you are thinking of repurposing that PC for something else. It's great that AMD is keeping AM4 alive for so long but realistically there's no point in "upgrading" within the platform anymore, keep parts as they are and replace if needed to keep the build alive if you want, but don't bother thinking of "upgrades" for it anymore.
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>didn't realize there was a new thread
Fuck me.
So I don't really get some of these issues with the PSUs and GPUs. The new 3.1 talks about being able to handle them and all and it seems preferable. But I got a 3.0 PSU. Will it still be able to handle the 5070ti?
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>>108202717
>I got a 3.0 PSU. Will it still be able to handle the 5070ti?
Yes. The only meaningful difference is the connector on the card end, it has one pin changed to make the connection a little bit more mistake proof but it electrically compatible to the older standard. And the 5070ti is not known to be a power hungry card that stresses these connectors in any case.

Just don't forget to plug it in correctly.
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>>108202729
>>108202728
All right, thanks for the info!
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>new gpu comes out
>bots buy out the stock within minutes
>now the price is double
>now ram is shooting up
>i havent been able to upgrade my pc in 8 years
Should I just become a console pleb?
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>>108202796
if it takes you 8 years to pick out parts I don't think you need it
there are very powerful minipcs you can get for about $150
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>>108202804
>very powerful minipcs you can get for about $150
>very powerful
>$150
I'm not sure I'd go that far. You're gonna have to show me these mini pcs you are speaking of. Most $150 mini pcs I see have a Intel N100 or so. Even if you're talking about buying something like Dell Optiplex micro, those, while maybe an upgrade, still aren't going to be "very powerful".
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>>108202834
N100 is very fast, it's equal to the latest play station console
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>>108202796
Just buy a prebuilt or something from one of the big vendors if you don't want to /pcbg/.

>>108202804
>there are very powerful minipcs you can
shilling minipcs in /pcbg/? get.out.get.out.get.out----->
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>>108202841
I mean if it takes someone 8 years to buy a random used gpu they aren't really in the market for a real pc
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>>108202804
I mean I probably could have slowly upgraded, but my pc was fine for a while, i didnt really notice much issues until around 2023, and by the time these issues cropped up it was more than just "replace this part now, replace that part later". My entire rig needs replacing, one of my ram sticks died, my gpu is melting itself, my cpu is bottlenecking in games released the last 3 years, the tempered glass on my case shattered after going through a move (the weird part was it was completely fine until i took it off and then it just exploded in my hands), one of my case fans died, and ive just never been in a situation where I could just buy one part because if I want to upgrade my cpu i need a new mobo, if i want to upgrade my gpu i need to save money for like 5 paychecks in a row and something else more important will come up that I need to spend that money on, and i dont know if my PSU can even support newer cards. Basically the only salvagable parts of my PC are the drives and even they feel much slower than when I got them.
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>>108202841
Every time a prebuilt goes on sale it's either at Microcenter (nearly 80 miles away) or it gets sold out by the time I scrounge up the 1800 dollars (or repriced like the last cyberpower pc that went from 1600 to 2400 in the last 8 or so days).
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>>108202866
Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc.. are also choices if you don't want to /pcbg/.

>ofc we will shun you for being a weirdo for buying one
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>>108202869
It appears the ps5 is around 15% faster, you're right
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>>108202856
>(the weird part was it was completely fine until i took it off and then it just exploded in my hands)
Heard about this happening before and it scares me. I hate dealing with broken glass. Did you get any cuts?
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>KTC M27T6

Anything I should know before buying this monitor in the OP guide? Are there better options?
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>>108202930
Someone a few threads ago said it sucked or something. All you need to know.
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>>108202882
Nope no cuts at all. It sort of just like fell apart, i didnt feel any force and all the shards were like little circular blobs and none of them were even really sharp. Was annoying to sweep it all up though and a lot of was in the pc.
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>>108202376
>pcie 3

newer cards need pcie 5 x8 for full performance. check how much bottleneck you may or may not get
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What's a good case that can fit a fat fuck card like the ROG STRIX 4090 plus my three 3.5" HDDs. Probably going to need a fat CPU cooler too but hadn't settled one one yet.
Originally I was gonna get a smaller card but it was all I could find here and the online market is literally all 1-2 star scam sellers with no inventory or sold out because Chinese scalpers slurped all the stock out of the country to sell mainland.
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Is the 5070 Ti AMP Extreme INFINITY by zotac worth buying or is it a meme and I should try and find a cheaper one. It's like 20 bucks more expensive than other models, but I'm not sure if it has better cooling or something
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>>108203259
Also the Solid Core OC is 30 bucks less actually.
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I need some help with setting up the airflow for this HAF 932 for my project.

After my initial hype died down, I realized that (without deriveting and paying for 3d printing at least) CPU thermals with air cooling may still be an issue compared to modern cases, since a 3-fan GPU is going to block almost all air coming in from the bottom unless I could pull enough air through the 5.25" bays, which I don't know if I can squeeze a fan into.

So when stock at least the question would be (given I didn't go with an AIO) whether to set a top fan to intake or exhaust, because part of me had an idea to seal off the top panel partially similar to the Pure Base 600. Bscause when stock, the HAF cases seemed pretty noisy in old testing, ignoring the lack of any vibration dampening.

The thing that concerns me the most is the HDD cage design and HDD noise dampening, I have no idea how expensive 3d printing custom solutions for everything would be, or if I could model something compatible with be quiet floating hard drive trays at the very least, no idea if it'd be strong enough though. Not sure if I could get aftermarket silicone for HDD cages, or if I could just re-use existing sleds and make the cage area thicker by just putting mats onto the surface, but then airflow would be a concern.
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>>108203604
>xeon w 2145
Still pretty slow by modern standards. Maybe enough for what you do but I could see ARMA choking it in some scenarios. It'd definitely be a big upgrade over a Sandy Bridge (?) PC but I feel like you might end up wanting another upgrade sooner rather than later. Guess that comes down to your preferences; do you want to play anything other than ARMA? Specifically anything modern i.e. >2020?

>which I think tends to fry the 9*00 cpus
IIRC that was/is mainly the X3D chips. I'd still say to avoid them even if it means spending more. Like, if you're actually committed to spending $2k+ there's no point in penny pinching.
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>>108203460
I used hat case for years and tried every combination available. I even put a box fan to the side with the panel off. You know what I found? It's such a large case that any setup actually worked just fine. That being said I'd try to have mostly intakes to keep the dust out.
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Who has the best customer service between Asrock, Gigabyte, and MSi?
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>>108203803
probably MSI
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>>108203803
Which curry makes the jeet shit in the street?
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>>108203803
EVGA.
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>>108203813
ASUS
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Which parts would you be most comfortable buying used or LIGHTLY used versions of?

Would you buy a used PSU? What about a used GPU?
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>>108203848
Nothing. I already have to deal with buying used cars because Ford was a Jew, I'm not dealing with used PC parts as well.
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>>108203848
ssd or cpu maybe
cases cost a lot to ship and have a high chance of missing parts
psu has the chance of frying your system
gpu has a lot of things that can go wrong quietly
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>>108203848
CPU and RAM, maybe GPU all depending on seller. I'd only buy a MB from someone I personally know and never storage.
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been seeing some insane prices around arrow lake cpus then I checked the reviews and holy shit, how did intel even had the courage to put this stuff for sale? it's even worse than raptor lake
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>>108203848
I bought used fans and used ram and used cpu and used power supply and they all workes flawlessly

i dont recommend used gpus or used hard drives too many failure points
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>>108202147
how is it a scam though?
ive gotten several books for like $3 or $4 with no shipping costs that were legit, never been scammed once
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>>108203953
I'm still waiting for the 265k price to fall out. It's just not happening despite it being mediocre.
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>>108203972
I was thinking of buying an intel computer for fun with these prices, raptor lake cpus are also at a decent price but I can't find z790 ddr4 motherboards for sale, with ddr5 it's worthless to buy those, I'd rather buy a good platform instead
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>>108203785
>intakes
>to keep dust out
retard
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Okay, so I've calmed down a bit since last night and now after poking at the HAF 932 and the PB600 I've found a new problem... the HAF chassis reverberates and rattled like the bells of St Paul's cathedral. The Pure Base 600 though? NOTHING. WTF.

Like, it just doesn't reverberate at all no matter where I poke it, maybe the ODD cage a little at most. It's not the rubber feet (it still doesn't ping in thr air), It has to be a difference in the steel thickness/density and frame construction.

I tapped my other mid-towers from the same age though and they didn't reverb as much either, so maybe this is the product of it simply being a full tower. I checked the weight of both cases and they're probably about the same which would make sense, but there are steel parts on the 600 just as thin. Maybe gluing on butyl/pu foam will fix it, the side panels on the 600 are actually way thinner than the 932, so foam might be the solution.

Dunno. Fuck man, one ill-turn deserves another.
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Ah, there's the reason why this case sits unevenly. One of them anyway. Don't know if I can bend back this DHL special on my own though.
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>>108202009
It's coming
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Should I be concerned about gpu lane sharing?
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I wish I tested this P14 Pro as soon as I bought it because holy fuck this sounds like such an annoying buzzer when tied to the CPU cooler. I will actually get a headache. Not worth the 8 dollars in this use case.
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>>108202009
Is it difficult to take a laptop apart and install the internals into a desktop tower?

I've got what was a powerful laptop from 2014 but the keyboard keys are falling off, the cooling system is dying, the battery is dying.
The os and drives need wiped and reinstalled.
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>>108204029
So all exhaust is the ticket? That way is sucks dust through every unfiltered gap?
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>>108204160
it's time to remove them from the OP, everyone knows arctic fans are noisy
it's just sadism towards newfags at this point
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https://videocardz.com/newz/lenovo-korea-reportedly-ends-driver-updates-for-legion-go-based-on-ryzen-z1-extreme

AYYMDEAD HAS NO DRIVERS
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>>108203953
it's a handful of %s slower than raptorlake but its far more sensibly specced, stable and has way superior I/O features
the only bad part about ARL is that lga1851 is too short lived and didnt see more generations of cpus. they should have just put all three gens of lga1954 cpus on lga1851 and it would have been a fairly decent am5 competitor.
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u guys think that ram will ever go back to the prices it was before?
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>>108204340
lenovo = abandonware
>>108204387
ye
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>>108204402
you think ddr4 will also go back to it's old price or are they going to kill the production?
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>>108204402
When ?
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>>108204160
i wish there was some sort of cheap laser pointer that measured sound, so i could compare the 3x arctic freezer fans in my 360 AIO III edition, to the Antec fans in my antec flux pro.

Overall the systems really quiet unless im gaming (i turn up the fan curve). Or playing 3x idle games + a gacha game at once.
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>>108202069
If you don't wear out the pump by unnecessarily running it at 100% PWM all the time (I recommend 75%) your AIO can last way beyond the 6 years warranty that you get with a superior Arctic Liquid Freezerâ„¢. Of course some small amount of water will inevitably diffuse through the tubes and seals over the years but this will only slightly impact the cooling efficiency. What you could then do and what I already did is open the pump and refill distilled water with a drop of antifreeze or two.
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>>108204700
Did they make AIOs better when they first came out? I have a Corsair h80 or 100 can't recall and it's been working now for 11 years
Knock on wood it doesn't fail my 4670

I still get 20C idle temps in winter, it's insane
It maxes out at 50c during 7zip minutes long processes
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>>108202009
4070 bros (all variants) how we feeling in 2026?
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>>108202197
>>108202118
>>108202168
beQuiet's AIOs are considerably more expensive than the most effective AIOs, which happen to be Arctic's thanks to their 38mm thick rads, and what use is a refill port if the pump wears out before you need to refill water? The pump is the weak spot of every AIO. You can btw refill water with an Arctic AIO, too, but you need to open the pump to do it. I did it several years ago and the pump is still working perfectly. Luckily this isn't necessary with AIOs nearly as often as with custom loops because of short EPDM tubing and industrial seals.
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>>108204749
4060 here, pretty good
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>>108203803
may have changed by now
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>>108204087
> 27"
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>>108204838
Why would you need more?
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>>108197954
It wasn't that :(
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Why is MLV so fucking expensive, wtf?
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>watching through dozens of build videos to see and learn the process
>get to the heatsink install
>always an AIO
>tfw I got an air cooler for my x3d
>literally have to go out of my way to find a build that uses an air cooler
did I fuck up?
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>>108204828
how come many of the "cheap" brands have fewer defects?
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>>108204884
I ruined my taste. I got used to 4k 32" and can't go back, only forward. Currently waiting for 5k2k WUHD displays with mature tech to enter the market.
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>>108205012
Because they don't waste as much money on branding they have more for Q.C.?
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>>108204982
Nah, the x3ds are fairly cool from my experience, I've also got an air cooler and never had problems with cpu temps
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>>108205032
damn based
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Holy fuck, that can't be right. Almost 90 dollars for one fan? Is it just me or are all Noctua fans sold here way over MSRP even factoring in VAT?
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>>108205042
i have the 5800x3d, 7800x3d and 9800x3d and the only cool running one among those is the 7800x3d
5800x3d was always hot while 9800x3d is factory OCd so hard it runs into the red in all core loads
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>>108202009
I want to buy ram from china
But pcbg says only choose
6000 CL30 sk hynix

What about cxmt one?
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>>108205069
hynix is still the best
cxmt's ram ships with timings similar to micron rev d and samsung b-die but it may or may not overclock better than those. hard to tell since there's very little info on those.
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>>108204982
no. There are several graphics cards that pull >3x the power of your CPU and get by with smaller air cooling solutions. AIOs are typically just a less complicated option because you're reducing the amount of things that needs to be installed as it doubles as case fans blowing air out the case while also putting the CPU heatsink into a place that doesn't block you from reaching any other component.
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>>108204982
Plenty use air coolers like me
https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/?using=fPyH99#c=2,3
Monkey see monkey do
Make sure to measure RAM and case clearances

>>108205058
You must be getting fucked
I can get a 140mm push pull Chromax black set (2 fans with all the goodies) for $80 in USA
Even more savings if I buy multiple (which I did)
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>>108205012
i'd like to see a greater breakdown on components and models for that chart, it seems almost inverted for some companies.
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>>108205058
just buy Antec.
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Probably a dumb question pls no bully
I want to make a build for 1440 gaming. I can afford the build itself but for the monitor(s) I'll need to wait a few more months, possibly until I find a good deal.

So can I complete my 1440 build and just game with my current 1080 displays and game in 1080 as I always have until I have the means to buy 1440 monitor?
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>>108205161
Assuming your new gpu has the video outputs for your current monitors, yes
If they are using DVI you will need an adapter because new gpus don't use DVI anymore
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>>108205066
Weird, I never had any particular problems with my 9800, but maybe it depends on the usecase
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>>108204248
I have 4 arctic p14 3 pin in a 7 year old build and they are legit silent. The new stuff is shit thou
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>>108205079
Cl60 6000 kingbank

Thoughts?
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>>108205242
im pretty sure bigger number is better
go for it
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>>108205133
>You must be getting fucked
Yeah, beige NF-A20's are like $45 and the black version is $60, total madness. Silent Wings 4 140mm is 1/3 the price of the G2 140mm. Maybe I'm late to the game.
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>>108202009
Do you ever just wake up angry there are no competitors to the 5090 and Nvidia can gouge customers as much as they want
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>>108205069
weird dog
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I'm thinking about getting two mouse, one for general browsing and other non-fps gaming, since most mouse nowadays seem to be that cookie cutter pill shaped light mouse with only two side buttons

What's the play here?
I'm thinking like two mouse, one is just these light FPS mouse, and one with at least 3, if not more, side buttons.

I'm currently using DeathAdder V2X Hyperspeed, and it's got 4 side buttons.
It's fine, but I really don't want to fuck with these low battery warnings anymore.
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>>108205161
its not hard to find a decent ultrawide anon, unless you wanna overspend on gimmicks.
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>>108203460
You could use a 4 or 5 bay HDD cage with 120 mm fan that takes up 3x 5.25 bays. I've only used the Cooler Master 4-in-3 cage but similar cages should work too, provided they have fan mounting holes on the actual cage and not the included bay cover. The CM filter/cover pictured here isn't needed, the cage fits with plenty of room behind the stock 5.25 cover plates.

I'm currently in a HAF 912 and will move into the 932 when I upgrade. Can't vouch for the 932's HDD noise levels, but the 912 with 4 HDDs has been fine though I run 3 of them in the CM cage. In theory you could remove the 932's stock HDD cage and run all HDDs in the 5.25 bays, freeing up the airflow from the front 230 mm fan.

The side 230 mm fan should provide substantial CPU/GPU cooling if you choose to use it. In testing I heard some fan intake noise, and plan to use nuts and bolts to space the fan away from the side panel grille. Did that with the 912's side 120 mm fan here and noise was noticeably reduced.
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about 1/20 times i turn on my 4k tv thats connected to my pc, it makes my pc freeze up and i have to restart it. Does this happen to anyone else?
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>>108203460
>, I have no idea how expensive 3d printing custom solutions
bruh
its a closed case
just use some masking tape
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>>108205652
Drivers also sounds like tv jank, entirely depends on your tv
Many things can break just demand hard reboot on the tv or system, from what I've seen
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thought my CPU arrived today but instead it was my Lian Li GPU anti-sag bracket
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>>108205652
this is a known issue on nvidia if you have dsc enabled
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>>108204822
noice
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>>108205314
What do you even do with your mouse how many buttons a nigga needs
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>>108205766
Post it

>>108202009
Amazon may accidentally send me two HDD of the same 14tb I was going to use for external HDD backup

Anyone know a good external 2 drive NAS or DAS to support raid 1 setup to mirror?

or should I return one and get my money back, basically getting a free HDD?
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I think that I'm just going to dump this in pure acetone on my own terms after deriveting, honeycombs are the absolute worst. They still reek of tar, which is unacceptable. I will strip it and stand it down to the bare metal (which I need to bend back in a few places) if I have to before it ready for work.
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>>108205415
>You could use a 4 or 5 bay HDD cage with 120 mm fan that takes up 3x 5.25 bays.
Funny, I just came to the same conclusion while taking some measurements. A 140mm fan could go in there easily either rear or front, though it would stick out a bit which may be a problem if I try doing a custom trapezoidal side intake solid front panel like be quiet does. Trying to visualise it with cardboard/wood/mesh.

>In theory you could remove the 932's stock HDD cage and run all HDDs in the 5.25 bays
It would still need custom supports to screw down, most would remove both afaik.

As far as my noise tolerance for HDDs go, only the Pure Base 600 could tame the buzz of my Toshiba enterprise drives. The 5.25 bay mount if it has sufficient dampening and grommets might get close to the acoustics of the be quiet case even if it would move the noise upwards. I might 3d model something for this project to visualise my idea. But yeah, getting the HDD idle noise down is gonna be a priority.

>Did that with the 912's side 120 mm fan here and noise was noticeably reduced.
Yeah, I noticed. Very nice implementation there, almost thought that was an Intel stock cooler for a moment. The buzzz on a fan is noticeable with a hexagonal filter, so it makes me slightly worried that I might have to take a saw to them on the front or top if I cant space out at least the front fan. Planning to have this case facing backside towards me somehow so I don't have a direct line of sight to the GPU area, which should get some air in under the CPU and NVME slot as well. There's a lot to try here.
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>>108205865
are you painting it?
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>>108205838
lol further update

Apparently this WD HDD situation is JUST AS BAD AS RAM
my replacement drive from Amazon said
>Estimated date: June-July 2026

so I contacted their Indian chat supper and decided to get a refund

holy fuck I hate AI I can't buy anything
definitely worse than COVID era shenanigans
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>>108206092
>supper
support
I loathe phone autocorrect
I loathe having ayylien long fingers
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>>108205999
Yep, I'm thinking if I will use acetone to strip the paint I might as well go all white (probably matte exterior, gloss interior) and perhaps pair it with some MDF/HDF panels too. Put some wheels on it or rubber feet and make it look like some funny furniture perhaps.
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I cannot afford new pc, so I bought a new table. My old one was 140x60cm. And I got today absolutely fucking glorious 160x80 from ikea. Fuck, this is like switching from 1080p 24" to 32" 5K monitor. So god damn comfy. I can stretch my arms, I can stretch my legs, fuck it is so huge I could probs sleep on it lol.
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>>108206106
Post Pic
Also cheap prebuilts on Newegg still
14700k 32gb 6400 ram 1tb NVME and 5060ti is 1300
Not great but still enough to hold over 5 years until shit stops

but yeah fuck all this AI shit it's literally the antichrist
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>>108202123
>I can't sell my ram... nobody is buying
The market is a bad one. RAM is in fact not a GPU, and it turns out most buyers will straight up refuse to pay hand over fist for it. They won't buy any or just buy the cheapest shit possible. It's hilarious, we've finally found the one thing pc gamers, even the richfags won't just throw money at. Now I get why all the ram companies pimped them with fancy rgb gayness and diamonds and mirrors and all that other shit. Ram is worthless to them. People will even overpay for SSDs but not ram.

Ram is also way easier to scam on.
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>>108202252
pics like these are why I need an oled monitor
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I'll buy someone's DDR4 2x16 if you are legit bc I got a spare 14400 I need to find a mobo for
I'd rather make a custom HTPC build than use this HP prebuilt
Then I can just throw the prebuilt at a family member
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>>108202930
a few people ITT bought it. One totally hated it. One says it was okay but KTC has shitty support. No reviews have been exactly stellar.
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>>108206126
this one:
https://www.ikea.com/de/en/p/trotten-desk-white-s99429559/
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>>108203246
BF360 can have 3 HDDs. HS 420 too. O11D EVO. Antec FLUX PRO. Montech King Pro. A bunch Fractal Define ones.
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>>108205834
I think my mouse binds are wheel click, Z, ctrl, and a click macro.
for general browsing, and of course, one handed gooning.
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>>108203460
>>After my initial hype died down, I realized that (without deriveting and paying for 3d printing at least) CPU thermals with air cooling may still be an issue compared to modern cases,
bro we told you this a bunch of times
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>>108206221
>bro we told you this a bunch of times
did we?
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pls amd, start making 5800x3d again...
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Should I just get a microcenter powerspec prebuilt? How are they? Thinking of a 7800x3d/9800x3d with a 5070ti/5080. My concerns are that even if I buy an amd bundle it will cost more because of gpu/storage prices and whatnot and I still have to get the case and fans and psu. But I don't know how good the parts in the prebuilts are like the psu and the ram and the cooling/fans. Thoughts?
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>>108206262
I'm sad the 5950X3D was never put into mass production
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>>108206317
I'm not a fan of x3d parts.

The r9 9900x is on sale. If I had the money to build rn I'd get it.
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>>108206184
Not bad
I need to scour used listings or go to garage sales to find old hardwood soon this summer
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to be quiet, or not to be quiet, that is the question
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>>108206567
I rec fractal cases
the trustworthy brand
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I have a Dell Optiplex Micro 7020 with an Intel i5 processor, 8GB memory, and 256GB SSD.
If I were to upgrade the RAM to 32GB and the SSD to 1TB, do you think this computer could handle music production, or would the processor become a bottleneck (unfortunately, I don't know specifically which i5 it is (I bought the thing about a year ago and the computer is still unopened in its original box).
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>delivery man knocked on my door today while i was sleeping
>jump out of bed and answer door, take parcel
>think its my CPU, go to sleep
>wake up and open parcel, its actually a cable i ordered
>several hours pass
>open apartment door to leave
>package on my doorstep
>its my CPU that I ordered and has probably been there all day

well fuck thank god it didnt get swiped
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>>108206676
Post more info of the box it can vary
Should say which i5 in your receipt
Probably a normie computer but afaik you want audio production you need a high quality processor to deal in 24bit+ etc
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>>108202009
I have a rog gf14fm and the memory can boost to 13ghz but it won't do it unless I'm really stressing the card, like having ray tracing on in cyberpunk. It doesn't fluctuate so do I just pile on another ghz on my overclock or is there something wrong in my settings?
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>>108206676
you can do amateur stuff for sure
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>>108206697
Looked up the UPC
Intel Core i5 14500T (1.2GHz) Processor
8GB DDR5-5600 RAM
Intel UHD Graphics 770 Integrated Graphics
256GB PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD
Gigabit LAN, 2x2 WiFi 6E (802.11ax), Bluetooth 5.3
Windows 11 Pro
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>>108206676
The cpu is a potential bottleneck, yes. It also depends on what type of music you'd make. If you do electronic music, you'd be fine with 16gb of ram. Ram is only really relevant if you work with lots of sample libraries like Kontakt.

You can get by with a relatively weak cpu but you have to properly manage your projects. Freeze tracks, deactivate live monitoring for synth tracks when you don't currently work on them etc.
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>>108206768
Yes, electronic music, but potentially with sample libraries to get that doujin artcore sound.
When you say deactivate live monitoring for synth tracks, do you mean hardware synths or software synths? I'm planning on sticking mostly in the box; perhaps some actual recorded guitar tracks.
>>108206741
For sure. I'm just a bit nervous about all the new software that eats up more resources compared to virtual instruments of the past.
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>>108206749
That has DDR5 anon. You're better off leaving it as a HTPC due to its size and everything. You'll be spending more money on RAM than what you probably bought for it this time last year if you haven't seen RAM and SSD/HDD prices and shortages.
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>>108206812
Software synths. And with live monitoring I mean when you press a key on a keyboard, you'd hear the output in realtime. I'm not talking about having to actually mute the track. But when you have some midi recording on your track while the track has live monitoring activated (an "armed" track), the synth on that track will take significantly more cpu power because it's basically in realtime mode, instead of just playback. So, basically, disarm your track after you're done recording/programming your synth.
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>>108206676
cpu is upgradable on those machines and you can get them cheap used
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>>108206749
it'll do music stuff just fine, maybe get it to 16gb ram
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>>108206848
>That has DDR5 anon.
I know; isn't that the best you can get now? ...or are you just warning me because that's also the most expensive, especially now.
I paid $780 for the computer (they're $650 now; ouch).
It looks like I would need laptop memory modules for this thing. I see a Lexar 2x16GB DDR5-5600 kit for $350.
The 2TB M.2 2230 SSD is $280 for Crucial; PNY is similar price. There is a WD Black that's $433.
In my mind, I'm going to offset the cost of the hardware by getting all my software from audioz and rutracker.
There is no way I'm going to use cracks on my main PC where I pay bills online -- that just seems too risky.
>>108206876
Thank you. That makes sense. I'm not to the point where I would like to have multiple midi controllers assigned to different channels to drive a couple instruments all at once, although that does sound fun.
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>>108206934
True, but at some point the CPU is going to demand more power than that thing can handle, whether that's wattage or thermal issues.
>>108206942
This could be the sensible approach, but I want to build in some futureproofing.
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5080 supers when?
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>>108207111
haha
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>>108207111
MLID said maybe in 2027 if AMD decides to release rdna5, but by then the next gen will be coming out in 2028 so why buy it
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>>108207136
>>108207117
Why hasnt some gamer tried to kill Jensen Huang in Minecraft? How long must we suffer?
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>>108206749
>1.2GHz)
if that's the max it's kinda shitty, most daws will struggle to work properly
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>>108207166
its not 1.2ghz
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236780/intel-core-i5-processor-14500t-24m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/specifications.html
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>>108202930
It's a perfectly okay monitor. You can tell it's cheap, but for the price it's hard to complain. Something to keep in mind with miniled is that the local dimming/hdr can get annoying if you're not used to it and makes browsing dark websites distracting. You can switch HDR on/off but that can get tedious. It's also really fucking bright when it wants to be, if that's a problem with your setup. Personally I just recommend the fast IPS unless you really want dark blacks and are willing to put up with the limited dimming zones monitors have.

>>108203259
The amp version has a bigger heatsink. That really doesn't matter for a card like 5070ti so it's up to you if that's important enough or not.
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impossible mode: waiting for MSI to drop you a BIOS with AGESA 1.3.0.0a

mf'ers just drop it already i dont want pre-1.3.0.0
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Redpill me on high speed fans versus the normal silent wings. I heard some people claim that the high speed versions buzz or have worse sound at the same RPM as the low speed version.

Not sure which to buy for 140mm because the 1900 rpm version is slightly cheaper for some reason.
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>>108207341
high speed fans are retarded, buy a case with tons of 140mm fan slots, populate them all with silent fans, run them at 35~40% speed on the bios, that's it, completely silent and fantastic airflow, it's not hard
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My power supply is neither modular or semi modular
I only have 1 8 pin CPU connector (750w psu)

One of these are for auxiliary power right? I just dont know which one because its not labled on the manual or on the board itself...



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