Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

Mangano:
https://manga-no.com/mangano_award_1st#rules

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
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> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

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no idea if this should be asked here or in the stupid question thread but here it goes: is there any way to fix a lineart mistake made on paper digitally? i was lining one of my characters hair in my comic and now it looks like he has a black streak that isn’t supposed to be there (see: blonde hair, can’t color it in to hide it, pls help)

>>7126862
of course

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>making mangas
It's manga time.

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At which point does the art of a specific series starts looking dated by today's standards?
I've been re-reading stuff like Hellsing and Alita, and despite looking better and more polished than the vast majority of modern shounen jump manga you can instantly tell that they aren't "modern".

>>7126864
what should i do? just copy another part of the drawing and paste it on top to hide it? not looking to go over the whole thing again digitally

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>>7127011
huh? do you not have a software to edit your pages? like CSP or photoshop or whatever?
I fix my lineart this way all the time. I actually spend a lot of time autistically fixing the lineart.
(see video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GojsHzF6U0

>>7126982
When detail in facial geometry and care taken when rendering hair were thrown out the window with new artists sometime around 2002-2006.

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>>7127054
Do you just not read manga at all or something?

>>7127059
Nope, sure don't.

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well time to put this on stand by and focus on the Silent manga contest.
Is anybody here also going to present?

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>>7127026
i do have CSP even though i haven’t touched it in years, the thing is that i’m doing everything on paper for some.. godforsaken reason (lines, color, letters, etc. picrel)

>>7127090
I've been wanting to do it this time, the theme was actually interesting for once in a while
but I have no clue what to do for it
I've done it twice before, but I think the themes usually were ending up an afterthought for me, so I'd just try to find ways to fit something in to make them fit

>>7127090
I have no idea what that is, care toe explain?

>>7126862
>>7127096
I'm honestly more baffled that you would think that this somehow isn't ok, or that there is some sort of problem with it. I draw traditionally, and I fix some mistakes digitally. Sometimes I even redraw whole panels, and splice the new panel in digitally.

>>7127348
https://www.manga-audition.com/
It's a manga contest with no dialogue.
Dont know why its not in the OP thought. Last threads have it.

Is there a really good blotchy ink pen for csp?

>>7127536
the theme this time is biggest surprise
to depict a moment of surprise in the characters' lives

>>7127543
I just saw that thanks

>>7127557
Finally someone read my manga

>>7127557
Ok I'll bite, what manga is this? I have to give something rated that poorly a quick skim on principle.

>>7127565
kek

>>7127611
odds are you've read at least a bit of it, it's great teacher onizuka

>>7127616
that's hilarious but depressing to think about
I only ever watched GTO myself

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>see manga on twitter/x
>can't read it
if there was anything AI could be useful for it would be translating mangas. But it can't do that.

>>7127631
there's literally 4 kanji in that image, retard

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>>7127651
yeah well...What about this kawaii pea pod girl?
yeah, I can't even read hiragana.
I've tried to learn Japanese but I really don't have time for that shit. I would rather focus on making mangas.

>>7127427
Wait, good point. I hadn't noticed it was gone from the pasta and I've made the threads a bunch of times. I'll correct that next thread.
Actually thinking about it I might have taken it out when one of the rounds ended and forgotten to put it back in when the next started.

>>7127655
>I would rather focus on making mangas.
>mangas
For your own good please stop

>>7127655
this is your brain on being a weeb retard

>>7127631
>>7127655
AI can't understand context so no, it's still not really useful for that. We already have text recognition software (OCR) that you could already be using if you're too lazy to learn the easiest part of the language. I'm not going to say you should learn but it wouldn't be difficult to learn kana, that's pretty much the easiest part of the language -- it's literally just matching shapes to sounds.

What are the best Japanese language learning resources for retarded gaijin who only know English like me?

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>>7127660
>>7127662
sorry , its a habit I picked up reading so many bad translations.

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>>7127354
oh, that’s not the panel i was talking about, it’s this one. (the perspective is super wonky in that room though) i tried to scratch the mistake away but.. it didn’t really work plus he’s off center AND his legs came out too short. maybe i’m just nitpicking

>>7127706
Anything is fine. Just start.

>>7127709
Er…I should clarify. I wasn’t talking about the original panel you posted either. I was talking about the fact that you initially seemed to think it somehow wasn’t ok to digitally fix problems on a traditional drawing, just in general.

>>7127616
I never read it, but I'm curious about the virtue signaling. I dont remember that being so heavy handed in the 90s. Is it one of those things where they try and make the dialogue and references more modern in a new translation?

>>7127709
You are definitely not nitpicking. Unless this is intentionally hilarious, fix it.

If it is intentional though, well done

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working on a short one-shot to post on creators, here is one page

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Lustless page 17 :3
her epic confrontation with the tentacle beast is depicted HERE

>>7127744
oh, that’s not what i was saying either lol it’s totally okay to touch it up, i just dunno how to without it being noticeable given that i already colored most of it in
>>7127751
yeah it’s not intentional, i definitely gotta fix it up somehow

>>7127663
How are kana and Kanji different?

>>7127940
If you're curious, your best bet is to just google it. Or bing it. Or askjeeves, whatever.

where's the best place to post a comic online so i can then shill it on my twitter?

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First 13 pages are nearly done.

>>7128045
Probably Mangaplus Creators, though if all you want is a hosting site then something like Comicfury does the trick too.

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does someone know how to fix this? my program got infected with the Joker virus, and every frame i make has DAMAGED all over it

>>7128089
cute! i hope she finds true love with a cute shy nerdy kid with glasses that has a big penis

>>7127272
Then good luck mate!
>>7128089
Niice, how much time per page do you spend?

>>7128113
Around 30ish hours for each 2-page spread. That one in particular was 39 hours. This is storyboard->sketch->ink->tones all on the one file.

>>7128089
This is pro stuff. Anon in your opinion:

Which is the best font for lettering?

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>>7128174
Whichever looks best with your art & the mood you want. For example, I used Creativeblock BB in Quickdraw because it fit the look but I wouldn't use it in this eromanga because it doesn't fit the look.

>>7127090
i will, first time. Still haven't thought of an idea yet...

>>7127631
Is there an example of this cartoon minimalist drawing style but edgy and dark instead of cute and goofy?

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I want to make a manga about an early 30’s failed normalfag that has a mid life crisis and quits everything to take up boxing
The art will be DOGSHIT scribbles but I think that makes it better actually

>>7128265
please do it I wanna see a 4channer draw combat sports so bad

>>7128286
Why’s that anon

>>7128297
I just love seeing fighting scenes drawn out but specifically combat sports. I love the energy and gestures involved and it's fun to draw and look at but I wanna see how an amateur does it lol

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Someday you'll be good enough for this to happen to you anon

>>7128104
This is why you don't pirate software. You might have to reinstall you Operating system. I don't know

i need to branch out from women and crotchety older male characters. what makes an appealing dude these days?

>>7128299
nta but I'm doing combat in a sense, I'll be sure to post. Less to entertain you, and more to get critique, but you win either way.

>>7128342
I can't wait

>>7128327
>what makes an appealing dude these days?
Blond, tall, big hands and wearing a nice suit.

>>7128299
>I wanna see how an amateur does it lol
Very amateurishly, of course!

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>>7128366

>>7127839
I'm still not totally sure if this is being done earnestly, or if it some elaborate shitpost.

>>7128491
It mogs tf out of my work

Is there a publishing site that focuses on ensuring quality content is delivered to the readers?

>>7128300
honestly though this is pretty fucked up thing to say about someone's fanart, no idea what that guy's problem is that he felt the need to single out some literally who twitter user. the coloring isn't even bad lmao.

>>7128719
the colorist spam his coloring on the mangaka post, I think he had enough at that point. What is funnier is that a bunch of French fags (probably friend of the colorist) reported twitter to take the mangaka account down. Extreme autism on both side.

>>7128839
>extreme autism on both side
Summarizes the human race.

>>7128839
> reported twitter to take the mangaka account down
Were they successful? Frenchniggers are already less than human, I couldn't imagine any interaction with japanese autism would end well.
The only good thing to ever come out of the frogs and japs mixing was Lupin III, and that wasn't by choice from the french

>>7128265
That actually sounds really entertaining. You could get really creative with it and it leaves a lot of room for ideas to explore. Plus I feel like the low-quality art will add to the appeal.

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>>7129049
awwn so cute

>>7127746
I could bet it's those pesky localizers

>>7129094
I will never get over early Pokemon and how they made Brock eat "jelly donuts" for a westernized audience, lol.

>>7129095
As odd as it was, there was a certain charm to the odd localization choices they made, as even back then, people realized how ridiculous they sounded.

As for the virtue-signaling, I would honestly prefer media in general to stay true to its original inceptions, even if this means being a product of its time, because in a lot of cases, that's the entire point. I just feel like art as a whole should be allowed a bit of leeway in terms of depictions of oftentimes dated subject matter.

newfag on drawing manga here, I'm curious are onomatopoeia really necessary? I like Japanese ones, they look good and blend decently and also they are part of their culture, not like western shit, so I'm wondering if I can just skip them (I find them to be annoying when reading in my own creations, and also hard to come up with)

>>7129205
the only mangaka I can think of who really chooses to avoid sound effects is Sakamoto Shinichi
he just figures people know what things sound like, or draws things he thinks will sound similar, if it isn't so common

>>7129205
They're not strictly necessary but they can make a page read better. It's ultimately a style, and sometimes an ease-of-reading thing.

>>7129411
That middle girl looks even better in lineart and tones.
HNNNNGGGGGGGHHHH

>>7129522
I think I keep drawing the left girl's eyes slightly too far apart, lol. Might have to go back and fix it.

guys i know my pages need polishing but i don't how
any tips plz I have this felling after I did the inking

>>7129586
Kind of hard to give advice on this without knowing what your work looks like.

Is there no publishing site that helps to check that the quality of what I make is good? Like an editor.

>>7129606
sure it okay to post porn here (i say that because there a thread about sexual art )

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FUCK GOOGLE NOW ALL I GOT ARE FUCKING AI REFERECES FUCK THEM, FUCK THEM AILLL

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So i wanted to wait to post the whole batch, but i finally re made this page after 2 years so i wanted to know how is it

>>7129613
yes

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>>7129635
Now even though i put a lot of effort so far, i still i'm not satisfied with this spread because i tried to use some reference, but still doesn't like me as much as the references

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>>7129637
And when i said reference i mean that i have tried to reference this guy for the big panels that shows faces

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>>7129638
And tried to do this with the big panel on the middle, i'm asking to know if either i'm being a perfectionist or if people can tell me where i'm lacking

>>7129544
I've been staring at it, and frankly it looks perfectly fine to me. Serious, here. Don't go killing yourself over minutiae lol.

Captcha: SARS

>>7129621
you can put "-ai" or "-ai_generated" in the search to filter them out. Also works on most booru sites, and wherever there's tag support. I know it's a bandage on a festering wound, but it's better than nothing.
But yeah, the internet is pretty much permanently fucked with immesurable garbage now. Nobody mentions the worst part of ai generation, whether text, images, video, msuic, whatever, isn't how shit it is (cause it will eventualyl converge to human qualtiy), or that the training data is copyrighted, which is a good reason tho, since it can be held up in law, but it's the fact that there's already so much content out there. People think that the internet is infinite, that infomation storage is infinite, and that the human mind is infinite. We have limits on how much we can parse, process. We're aiming a magic pipe that mostly spits out sewage right at out water supply. But hey, boomers on facebook can't even tell the difference, so let's keep drinking it.

>>7129544
it gives us more space to enjoy her cute freckles

>>7129609
No, not really. You go to an actual publisher for that.

Hey guys where I can download some free manga gradients brushes for photoshop?

>>7129771
PS has the Kyle's manga brush set.

>>7129671
The problem with doing advanced boolean search commands is that Google outright has been shown to ignore what you type in, instead opting to show you what it THINKS you "actually" want. You know, because Google our benevolent overlord knows better. I've given up on using their search engine entirely, it's complete trash.

I am not sure how to feel about Mangaplus Creators.

>>7129794
>manga brush set
I had no idea, thanks man

>>7129819
Alternatively, there's also the Kyle's Screentones/Halftones set too for PS users. Combined, those three solve about 99% of all drawing problems I have. Sorry, forgot to mention those last ones too in my last post.

>>7129411
Messy screentones around the left girls boobs. I cant tell if its supposed to be shine, or her breath. Hair tones look good though

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Some study. I noticed in old paintings they like to paint woman with big trapezius

>>7129912
I like the face, but I think that's because I personally like prominent noses

>>7129916
That nose is pure sexo

>>7128327
Outside a superficial level, women like guys who are capable and in a position of power with a suit or uniform that shows it. Even cowardly guys can be attractive as long as they're very good at what they do.

>>7128429
Exactly

>>7129794
which one do you use? i've been on duckduckgo and startpage for years and searx recently, and i don't think i've ever seen any ai when looking for references.

>>7129959
I personally use duckduckgo too. It's been good for keeping AI to a general minimum in my own experience.

>>7129949
He's asking for character design advice, not stereotypical gender roles lol

On that same train of thought, any character trait on a male can be attractive if used effectively. Even "negative" traits such as cowardice, as you have mentioned, can be used effectively to make an appealing male character if you make him selfless and virtuous, for example. On the other hand, that same trait can be used to make a negative character by making him the type of coward to betray those around him for his own sake.

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>>7128327
Tall, with well built male body. A pretty face but not so much feminine. About personality, dominant and carefree. In resume, the greek standard of beauty that is eternal and universal; Although women like to lie to themselves they don't like it and it's a social construct kek

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mascot style characters for an idea I had

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>>7130115
>Tall

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>>7130167

>>7129635
>>7129637
I like it anon

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>>7129826
I couldn't find that brush set for free so I just tried to wing something with raw photoshop, how does it look?
Gonna look into that other one tomorrow

>>7129803
Lol I've been in a voice call with some of their staff and I still don't really know what to feel about it. They just wanted to know what they could add to the site to make it better/gauge the usability from a creator's standpoint. I got the chance to ask them what their goal with the site was, and they told me it was to scout foreign talent. I wonder if that goal is working out.

>>7129871
Good point, think I'll move that breath effect. Thanks.

>>7130317
>I wonder if that goal is working out.
Doubt.

>>7130321
No kidding, if they ban most the things that popular mangas have they are really gonna have slim pickings

>>7130321
I sort of doubt it too. There are people out there who have the skill, but when you filter for all the factors that would make it difficult to work with them (can they apply that skill to the deadlines? do they know japanese/can the publisher work with them if they don't? etc) I think it's a bit like searching for a needle in a haystack just to find a foreigner who has the skills required. It's just an extremely specific skillset that only people who had the time to grind away at for years and years can achieve.
But if they do succeed, and they find a way to make it work for more foreigners, then more and more foreigners will be willing to take the chance on going pro, more and more people will stick with it long enough to get the skills they need and so on. The western side of this looks real fucking grim because japan never lost the momentum that had been building for close to a century while most of the western industry pretty much failed to cultivate new talent and thus lost all the momentum it had. New momentum could be gained, but it would take a lot of effort from publishers to eat a lot of loss to find the needles in the haystack and it would take decades and decades for that skill to become generational again.

every day I draw looks completely different from the last, so my pages all look different lol

>>7130328
Western media in general has decayed for one simple factor: Nepotism.

All of the entertainment industry has been in the hands of the same rich families since the inception of the radio at least, the only ones who have gotten a chance to shine have been almost exclusively members of those families. Many of them adopting a "rags to riches" or "randomly discovered" fictional bio to try and hide this fact, but looking through their genealogies and histories quickly reveals the truth. Even someone like Bruce Lee was actually the nephew of the British blue-blood ruler of Hong Kong.

Now it's not the nepotism itself that is the problem, not directly, but it's because these families have been resting on their laurels for decades and failed to produce anyone new of the same talent and ability that they did in the beginning of the 20th century, and the nepotism has made it so they keep pushing their now-talentless hack relatives instead of looking outside the families for new talent to exploit.

The Japanese have always been part of the same league, but while the Western side of the family tree doesn't want to let any of the plebs get any fame or notoriety, the Eastern side values that less and seizes the opportunity to exploit the talent of the plebs and turn it into dollars for themselves, which has the accidental effect of giving some of the lower classes a chance to live their dream as a creator. The Western rulers will go down in their own flames just to make sure no one else gets any heat, while the Eastern rulers will burn their subjects to keep themselves warm.

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>>7129771
For me it's square round brush

>>7130358
hard round brush I mean. how can a square be round?

>>7126982
It can be super subtle, even fucking skin tone hue whether pointed towards red or yellow, eye lighting positions, or eyelashes can be dated in Japan it's retarded

>>7130290
The sun umbrellas in the bottom left need to be a bit darker I feel. Otherwise it looks fine to me.

>>7130360
How did Tien Shin Han make a triangle beam turn into a square hole when fighting against Cell? Nobody will ever know.

>>7130428
As long it doesn't look total dogshit it's good enough

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Look what arrived today!
I knew that it would look different in print vs on screen, but I'm surprised by just how stark the difference is. Anyway this is the first time I've seen my work printed so I'm pretty stoked.

>>7130515
Holy shit the madlad did it. Congratz anon! It looks even better printed

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>>7130515
wicked sick
I got a bit of the same going on
not a magazine, but back in December I got to submit a small doujin for a group for comiket, and the guy running the group just sent me copies of the book
for some reason my lineart turned into dot tones and he accidentally used the wrong kanji in my name just on this page, but that's just part of the funny to me

>>7130515
Congrats, anon! It must be a surreal feeling to physically hold a culmination of all your hard work in your own hands.

>>7130524
>for some reason my lineart turned into dot tone
Ah, I bet he exported it wrong! Just turned the whole thing into a screentone layer, or exported it as a duo-tone or something. You should send him the files in monochrome yourself if you wanna avoid that, I think.

>>7130527
Hmmm... Not quite yet, but I expect to get that feeling when I'm holding the tankoubon.

>>7130539
I did
I did send the psds too though, I know he was playing with those a bit, editing dialogue and adding sound effects, so it prolly happened somewhere in there.

>>7130515
He did it... he actually made manga.

>>7130546
Then you did all you could, it's on him. What a shame. Looks good anyway, you work definitely does look quite nice print. For some reason better than your originals, I wonder why.

>>7130553
I have that thought too
I'd like to think there is no real reason why
just that once it's printed on paper you just think it looks better
but then it also could just be the picture, up close in person it looks a bit odd
like you turned the page and suddenly your eyes went bad

>>7130515
>>7130524
I guess the trick is to have it written in japanese

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>>7130561
You got me.

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>>7130524
>>7130515
nani did you actually learn japanese

>>7130745
Cowboy/porn anon has said he doesn't speak Japanese.

>>7130752
How'd he write the script? I'm new here

>>7130766
He said he did a lot of careful machine translating work and back-and-forths with his Japanese editor, if I'm not mistaken. Also, welcome to /mmg/ anon, hope to see your work eventually.

>>7130745
I can't say I know japanese, I've only picked up a little bit over the years.

>>7130766
There's no shortage of examples to work from with all the manga out there. So between reading manga, knowing a little bit of japanese already and filling the gaps with MTL I can write the dialogue well enough to get the idea across to editor, who fixes it to make it read naturally.

>>7130772
I'd be so paranoid that he was changing dialogue to suit his own tastes.

>>7130791
I do have to read it over to make sure his revised lines carry my intent. There was a couple of spots where there was a misunderstanding, and we cleared it up.
Some of the corrections are fairly loose interpretations, or outright changed. I don't have a problem with that when they're improvements, and I think this time they were. If they weren't I'd have discussed it with him and we'd come up with something that is.

>>7130802
I guess having a handler would be pretty essential for avoiding "Your dick is in my pussy." tier writing. Even if you spoke the language fluently, having the dialogue sound "hot" would require some cultural knowledge.

>>7130814
Would that be an issue generally speaking, for hentai doujins? I feel like anyone who's been on the internet for any length of time is familiar with all the unintentionally hilarious one-liners from certain releases. Everything from "Satan guide my cock!" to "I can't believe that [insert person here]'s penis is in my pussy!" It is clear nice writing isn't exactly the main concern here for obvious reasons, lol.

>>7130745
most of the group for this doujin was foreigners, so the guy running the group was just translating for a lot of us

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Basketball 4koma. A simple gag manga. It's part of a series but I don't know if I will finish them all.

>>7130946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVk5VcoHaBE

>>7130950
Oh crap I should have listened to this first. There's ear rape once the chorus kicks in

>>7130950
That was some battle shonen basketball lmao

Is there a database of generic colored backgrounds?
I'm looking for stuff like classroom, bedroom, street etc.

>>7130967
If you go to something like gelbooru and use tags like "game_cg" with "classroom" and the like, you'll find some there where it's just the background and no people.

>>7130515
Imagine how many Japanese dudes are gonna jerk off to this

>>7130515
Congratulations you're living the dream!

>>7130515
Congrats anon. Today you are /mmg/. Anybody that says /mmg/ doesn't make anything can go fuck themselves.

>>7130814
Yep, though again, there's ample examples out there and a lot of hentai dialogue is, shall we say, "recyclable"? A lot of the same or similar phrases are common in eromanga, or they'll be saying effectively the same thing just the author decided to add their own twist to a classic phrase.

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pages 8 and 9
something is coming, and fast

>>7131365
That's a lotta black

>>7131374
yeah, my least favorite thing for this story, cuz I can't just use a sharpie
but there's only one other panel I should have to do this much on so it should be fine

how do you keep going?
i cant even give this shit away.

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>>7131400
It's fun. I am going to draw anyway, so why not put it all together? What are you working on, anon? Lemme read it

>>7131404
https://comfurchan.thecomicseries.com/

>>7131400
>>7131420
You seem to be doing just fine. What's the problem exactly?

>>7131421
it just feels like a dead end. i can keep adding to it and fewer and fewer will be interested and ill be left with nothing.

>>7131426
So... what, you're just concerned it's losing popularity rather than gaining it? Is that all you're making the comic for, popularity?
I'm not trying to say you shouldn't do that, but try to identify -- for yourself -- what it is your goal with the work is. Is it to tell a story? Is it to make number go up? Is it just an excuse to draw cute girl? Is it just to kill time?
If your priority is to make it popular, then I can tell you you're going to have to scream louder into the void. You have to be gregarious and prolific -- make a lot of stuff, put it in front of a lot of people. This means doing a lot of social media work. And I say "work" because it absolutely sucks to do. It's no fun at all. And you can try as hard as you want, but you can't force popularity, you need to put the right work in front of the right eyes at the right time. The only way you can improve your odds are by making better and better work and trying to spread it as far and wide as you can. Personally, I couldn't stand doing this, when I do it it feels hollow. If you can't put your heart and soul into the work, whether that's the comic itself or the social media activity you do to promote it, then don't do it. Find a reason to make a work that you CAN put your heart and soul into.
Anyway, losing readers sounds like you're failing to keep people interested. If you want to keep people interested then you should think of a way to get them ENGAGED in what's happening. Shake things up. Alternatively, just take notes for the next work while you bring this one to a close, then start again with what you've learned.

>>7131439
>f you want to keep people interested then you should think of a way to get them ENGAGED in what's happening. Shake things up. Alternatively, just take notes for the next work while you bring this one to a close, then start again with what you've learned.
Oh and I should add... Comicfury is a solid host with a readership that is there because they want to read comics, but nobody ever blew up on there. It's a site where you'll gain and maintain a small but dedicated following, you're not going to pop off unless you're also posting elsewhere eg twitter/insta. I mean, you have plenty of people commenting on every page! That's something that's hard to get on social media sites. Treasure that.

>>7131442
thank you for your insight.
i suppose its an off month. sometimes i can do it just for myself. sometimes the void gets to me.
i cant even convince friends to read a manga with me, and here i am trying to get strangers to love an OC as much as i do. i am a glutton for punishment, honestly.

>>7131420
Im reading it rn anon, have you posted it anywhere else?

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pages 10 and 11
enter the four speedsters

this is actually the first scene I had in mind originally

>>7131464
recently on reddit to attempt to see if thatd get any more hits than usual. its mirrored on drunkduck. i also tried putting a page and an art piece on newgrounds. thats it for now.

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Does anyone know any good videos or tutorials about using CSP’s perspective tools? I watched one (by Jake Hercy), but I feel like I still don’t know how to manipulate them nearly well enough for them to be useful beyond the basics. For an example of something I feel like it could be useful for, see the top panel in pic related. Now, I have no idea of this author (or assistants) used any tools for this. Some stuff CSP can do like snapping figures to (say, the windows) to match perspective properly would make future workflow much simpler. But I don’t know if I’m asking too much from the program.

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I need inspo, what are some mangakas who use a very simple style but still look very nice?
I want to write a story, but I'm not a skilled artist, and I don't have a lot of free time due to work. This is what I can do with a cheap screenless tablet. What are some mangakas that have a very simplistic style but can still write awesome, weird, and interesting stories? I'm not talking about begs who draw ugly shit and call it "my style", but guys with actual skill who choose to use a very simplistic style. The only one I can think of right now is Seiman Dōman.
for me, the selling point is the story but of course, it has to look nice
(I'm not saying I'm Dostoyevsky, but I read a lot, and I've always wanted to be a writer. However, my real passion is drawing, even though I'm not very good)

>>7132259
Tkmiz maybe?

>>7131926
no idea really. this may or may not help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2k1v2rOD-s

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Pages 16 and 17
Pass them all

only about halfway in

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Does a sex scene contribute more to "break" a narrative rather than to "add" it?
I'm making a manuscript for a competition run by Young Jump magazine.
This magazine doesn't seem to shy away from having gratuitous sex scenes displayed in their line-ups.
Their manga like GANTZ, Zetman, Tokyo Ghoul, etc. have quite explicitely drawn sex scenes in it, so I though why not add some spices in my story as well?
For context, my story sets fantasy world with mages, battles, and corrupted magic system.
I'm writing a sequence where a man, which is involved with a "anti-new order regime" group, is given a mission by his group leader to kidnap his niece who is a influental superintendent of municipal police unit.
The plan is to have him pick her up for her homecoming to her parents' house, just to get immediately KWAB and she makes him spill everything about his group's masterplan by using a mind control magic in form of a bullet.

>>7132516
Well, it ultimately depends on what the selling point of your manga is supposed to be. Is it supposed to be an ecchi-action kinda series? Like, are the readers supposed to find the sex scenes erotic (think any ecchi seinen manga), is it supposed to make it feel grittier or more depraved (think berserk or gantz), or is it supposed to be shocking/dramatic (think wolf guy), is it supposed to deepen the relationship between the characters, or what? I think so long as you know what it is you're trying to go for and write & draw it in such a way that aligns with that goal you should be fine. The editor of the magazine, if they get in contact with you after submitting it, will be able to discuss with you further the kind of work they think you should go for, so you should have a solid idea of what it is you're trying to make so you make sure your editor is on the same page as you.

I honestly don't know what to do once I finnish the mythos oneshoot, I had planned to send it to the typical Kyoto manga contest but I don't know... I find the contests just gambling and doesnt worth the hassle for the amount of work you have to put into the project. I don't know... maybe I will take the risk and send it to Japanese editors/magazines to see if there is any luck and I get some positive feedback.

>>7132603
Well once you've already made the work you might as well send it into the contest. That shouldn't stop you from showing it to editors as well.

>>7132516
Sex breaks the narrative because it rarely moves the plot forward and just serves to tittilate the viewer. If you have a magic system you should make sex magic a thing so there is a practical purpose to sex you are seeing. Two birds one stone.

>>7132516
one sex scene - ok, a breakthrough to show the characters relations
two sex scene - well its not totally different from the first but lets see how this goes
three sex scene - gonna skip ahead through this

>>7132644
Well, obviously lol. By the way you recommend to translate the oneshoot to japanese to send it?

>>7132516
I skip them in movies and TV shows, I skip them in comics and mangas. Just show them about to get it on, and then cut to something more interesting. You can show me some tits without a sex scene

>>7132645
Off the top of my head, the only movie I can think of where sex between the two main characters was actually of paramount importance was Terminator 1, because without that scene John Conner would never exist to stop SkyNet.

>>7132516
Is that Muhammed and his cousin?

>>7132789
I can think of a few, like in Species it's for her to propagate, and an important plot device.

Oh and Brown Bunny, because we get to see Chloe Sevigny suck Vincent Gallo's dick

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>>7132259
Suzushiro is probably the best example of everything you have described. They have a very simple artstyle that still looks nice, while being able to tell a weird and unique story of a skateboarding maid. Your "cute maid" artstyle is very similar to theirs which is also probably similar to the kinds of things you want to draw.

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>>7132259
Jahy-sama is the first thing that came to mind, this mangaka never leaves their comfort zone, they only draw anime girls in different positions and it even got an anime, also the story and characters are cute af so the art itself is not that important when you have substance I guess (I think your art is pretty good already and can definitely be enough for this kind of manga)

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>>7132259
Machikado Mazoku/The Demon Girl Next Door is a pretty cute series, with relatively simple art, but still pretty nice art. Its actually quite story-driven too, considering it starts somewhat as a slice-of-life, and then devolves into Demons vs. Magical girls, using the Solomonic Magic/The Demons of the Goetia as a backdrop.

Its actually surprisingly well written and planned out for what initially seems like a pretty cute, relatively simple story that really branches out. Also its put together in a 4-Koma page/panel layout.

>>7132708
>obviously lol
That was a lot of "i don't know"s and "maybe"s for something that's obvious brother.
If you're going to be sending it to editors then yes it's absolutely needs to be in japanese. They don't publish english-language comics, they publish japanese-language comics, so they need to know what you're capable of in the realm of making japanese-language comics.

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That's it. I've had it with Manga . I'm done making manga. I'm now going to focus on making Captain America fan comics.

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>>7133450
make a fan manga about the Captain America Fujimoto drew

>>7133450
It would be so epic if copyright didn't exist and we could make whatever fan comics we wanted.

>>7133496
You always could, the only question is if the company that holds the IP thinks you're worth suing over. Even take something as litigious as Nintendo - are they going to issue you a takedown notice because you simply drew Rosalina or Mario or Birdo or whatever? No, or at least the odds are so astronomically small that they might as well be "no." Are they going to issue a takedown notice because you're making an unofficial sequel to XYZ Mario game and it's getting traction? Absolutely yes.

>>7133496
Just make an original character that is clearly a play on captain america

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>>7133539
kek

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>>7133450
Why don't you fuck copyright in the ass and do a comic about a war veteran with schizophrenia or psdt that believes that it's him, something a la don Quixote, you don't have to make him copy captain america, but someone like him

>>7133511
The main issue with comics is that they take forever and you have to release them periodically. If you just upload a fan game or something then there's nothing the ip holder can really do. Whereas if I was writing a pokemon comic there would always be the looming threat that the story will just randomly be shut down.

>>7133519
i wish i was autistic enough about capeshit to come up with crappy powers to base original characters on.

>>7133370
Well, in my original post I was referring to doing oneshoots with the intention of sending them to editors, not simply doing them to send them only to contests in the hope that something comes out.

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Long time lurker, and second ever time making a mini-comic. Tell me what you guys think of it, I would love some critique on it :)
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>>7134039
Nice art, but it's less a comic and more of a series of illustrations.

>>7134039
I like it! Easy to follow, creative pages. Just keep working in your fundamentals.

>>7134039
I echo >>7134056 - you clearly can draw, nobody's going to contest that. The story is easy to follow as well. But it does feel like illustrations from a book, like you have a written story and these just happen to be illustrating the story at parts.

>>7134039
Lose the panty shot, throw in some words inbetween the pictures for scrolling, and you have a perfect webtoon my guy.
Seriously, I would post that there, but you'd have to do a cover in color.

>>7134039
astonishing art, so pleasurable to look at, great work

>>7134039
Nice work! Is it 100% digital?

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>>7134056
>>7134208
Good point, I'm an illustrator at heart so I decided to flex my drawing skills to challenge myself. The last time I made a comic I was in highschool so I was trial and error maxxing for the most part. I like @Kotteri, Houseki no Kuni, and shojo manga so I wanted to make something that reflected my taste/ influence.

>>7134353
I was considering putting it on webtoons as a one-shot at a later date so i will consider doing this, thank you

>>7134068
>>7134611
thanks a bunch anons :D
>>7134787
thanks, yes this is digital

>>7130432
>triangle beam
filthy gaijin, the kikoho isn't a triangle beam.

>>7135610
kikoho literally means three angle projection

>>7135610
In addition to the point made by >>7135635, Tien's hands literally form a triangle shape.

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>>7135635
>>7135640
nope. triangle stuff is an anime + dub retcon. kikoho means energy/qigong canon

>>7127090
Good art but there's a few ESL moments in the dialogue
"Why you didn't wake me up?" should instead say "Why didn't you want me up?"
Also I don't know the context but I think "Where she is" should instead say "Where is she?"

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I am feeling lazy but lets goo

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fly you devil bitch

>>7135671
>Lorem Ipsum chants
Truly the most horrifying thing a reader can encounter. Nice moon reflection glinting off the top of the church's roof and cross in the upper left panel btw.

>>7133519
Aint that palagrism like Invincible

>>7135688
>making a similar character is plagiarism
Anon, we're not out here writing scientific technical papers. If you think the art scene regardless of what era or where geographically it's located isn't bluntly ripping each other off 24/7 365 days of the year, I have a bridge to sell you.

>>7135646
wrong, that nerd's fat and retarded

Do you guys think its worth redoing the first chapter of my comic with the new things you learned? Or should I just move on and let it stay bad?

>>7135926
This is why your magnum opus isnt your first comic. keep drawing what's done is done.

>>7135926
I would say just learn and move on. Constant redrawing will just lead to constant redrawing. Besides, some people on the internet like tracking a comic's improvement over time.

>>7135928
>>7135960
I see, thanks. Do you think so even if you're still working on it and the story is still going? Do people sit through bad first chapters knowing it gets better?

>>7135962
>Do people sit through bad first chapters knowing it gets better?
Depends on the person, of course. Some people will put something down if the first two pages don't grab them by the prostate and massage it. Some people will flip through the whole thing real fast just to see if there's something worth going through. Some people don't care and just intentionally pick a chapter somewhere in the middle as their actual start and then later go back and read the first chapters.

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>be me
>a 漫画家志望 (aspiring mangaka)
>start learning Japanese
>realize over time that visual novels are the superior medium for transmitting stories in the form of art
>quit manga, and decided to make visual novels
has anyone else here taken the VN-pill like me?

>>7135982
>visual novels are the superior medium for transmitting stories
I don't have anything against VNs, but they hardly have any actual animation or change of scenery, just the same PNG of a character slightly changed for hand movement or facial expression. Maybe after 15 minutes you get a chance of background. Hope you succeed though, regardless.

>>7135982
Are you that guy on /co/ who has those alvin and the chipmunk characters?

>>7135990
Yes, but as an artist, I can draw all sorts of CGs myself and create a better VN than everything that's come before.

The thing about VNs is that you can tell extremely long stories with them, and the drawing is not as taxing or demanding as with manga. They're like stage plays, basically, and you can draw the set dressings and costumes yourself. Manga is more like film, I guess.

>>7135995
?

>>7135982
Tell it to me straight, how hard is learning Japanese?

Do one need to learn Japanese to sell manga or you can get by by hiring a native speaker to translate your work into Japanese? Has this ever been done before with western-made manga?

>>7136000
It's being done right now by an anon in this very general. >>7130306
There's also Boichi who has stated that he doesn't know japanese either, he works with japanese translators.

>>7135999
Believe it or not, it's not that hard at all. 90% of my study right now consists of reading VNs, manga, watching anime, youtube, etc. Eventually, I'll have to muster up the confidence to talk to people, but until then, I'm just consoooming.

Read this guide, it'll teach you everything: https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/wiki/gambsguide/

I recommend this Anki setup: https://xelieu.github.io/jp-lazy-guide/
It lets you select which dictionary definition you want to put into your cards, what parts of the definition to highlight, the ability to include secondary, hidden definitions (for when you go monolingual, and want to see the bilingual definition), audio, sentence furigana, etc. You can turn your cards into vocab cards or sentence cards at will, create duplicate cards of the same word, so you can have multiple cards that test different use cases of each word, etc.

But don't worry about Anki too much, you don't even have to do Anki if you read enough. Reading along will give you enough repetition to learn the words. Immersion is king for language learning.

>>7136059
Reading alone*

>>7135999
Oh, and use this page to get Japanese immersion resources: https://learnjapanese.moe/resources/

>>7136059
>>7136066
Arigato gozaimasu anon (sorry I had to)
I'm a bit intimidated by the hirigana and katakana (and the Kanji) but this seems useful

>>7136069
no problem! At the very least, it's a fun hobby, and you might be able to find work at a Japanese game studio as a designer or something if your art skills are good. Manga may not work out, but other paths will always open

>>7136073
Yeah good luck on your thing as well
>if your art skills are good
I'm still learning the basics right now, I'm hoping I'd be able to learn both
Maybe I should watch art tutorials in Japanese (I won't actually be doing that lol)

>>7136078
that is actually an excellent way to learn Japanese, by watching art yt tutorials in Japanese.

I'm pretty sure I got 90% of my listening comprehension by watching 室井康夫's videos, looking up words on jisho.org when I could pick them out, and slowly growing my comprehension that way. The dude has almost 1000+ hours of lectures and livestreams, aimed at funneling students into the animation industry in Japan, and he uses a relatively small vocabulary base, which let me go from 0% comprehension to almost 95% comprehension in like 2 months.

It sounds horrible when I write it out this way, but actually, it's a lot of fun just watching him draw and listening to his Japanese. And the rapid growth in understanding you experience also adds to the fun

>>7136084
But would they help me with drawing, I wonder

I hate writing romantic dialogue for women, makes me feel gay. How do people do it?

Do people here mostly work traditionally or digitally? If digitally do you prefer screen or screenless tablets?

>>7135653
crap thats right.

After watching and reading a lot of pre-2010 anime/manga and as someone who wants to make stories that aren't even set in Japan, how come not much if any modern shounen that takes place in a real life setting tackle worldwide scales or multicultural casts of characters?
Is it a side effect of Japan getting more inward looking by year?
Jojo, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Shaman King, Zatch Bell, Soul Eater and G Gundam did it well enough while providing an actual sense of adventure, vast scale and discovery.
I'm honestly getting tired of "le urban modern japan setting but with demons" that's currently popular.

>>7136289
I think worldbuilding and setting are aspects that are starting to get lost in current manga. It seems like current manga focuses more on the premise, rather than the location or world. I agree with you, I am also getting tired of it. I wish that, if they absolutely must do a real-life setting, they would at least do it like Soul Eater, where it was set in America, but was a unique fantasy version of it and wasn't just actual real-life society.

>>7136289
And when it's not Japan, it's a fantasy world. fags have a word for it: "native isekai." I know it's a retarded term, but it fits well since all have the same default world.

Honestly, I enjoy urban fantasy, but as >>7136400 said, there isn't too much attention in the world, plus it seems modern mangakas aren't that invested in making you invested in the world but rather in the characters. Song of the Night Walkers is the only recent work that comes to mind in terms of balancing things. It's just a kid going at night, but it feels so interesting.

>>7136441
*fags on /a/

>>7136289
>>7136441
I think time constraints play a big part. When you're forced to grind out pages all week you have no time to sit down and plan out a cohesive and original world. You also don't want to spend months world building prior in case you get axed and all that time is just wasted. The go to now seems to be trying to make a cool character that carries the series and distracts from the aimless plot.

I'm glad people want lore, depth, and worldbuilding still. Lots of stuff these days seem so shallow, (though it isn't necessarily always a bad thing) but I found myself inspired way more by anime and manga of the 80s, 90s, and even some of the very early 2000s.

Though, that's why I think it is good to draw from lots of different media. Most of my stuff is also inspired by video games, movies, etc. on top of anime and manga and I think it is important to see stories told from different angles and in different media.

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>>7136289
What all the other anons said factors in, but it's also a general truism that young people are less earthly, and a lot of mangakas nowadays are starting younger and younger, or at least having dreamt of their manga since childhood. Look at something like Yu Yu Hakusho, which was made in the early 90s by someone who hadn't even turned 20; it has almost no influences outside of then-current Japanese culture, as well as its mythology.

People like Araki were just particularly cosmopolitan, as evidenced by him in particular having his first manga be about cowboys.

>>7136456
That didn't stop anyone before the 2000s. And they had even harder time constraints, since they didn't have access to the same time-saving programs and shortcuts the way modern artists do. Sounds like either pure laziness, or low IQ/imagination on the part of the creators.

>>7136822
Idk, maybe japanese zoomers are just retarded and not autistic enough. I would say Baki v Kengan is a good example of oldhead creativity vs modern writing but I know plenty of people who don't get baki yet love kengan.

>>7136884
>don't get baki yet love kengan.
The opposite is also true. Idk, zoomers and millenials, to some extent, have problems appreciating two different things without comparing both.

>>7136822
>>7136289
Younger TikTok/social media scrolling generation nowadays have very short attention span.
There's just now too many media to consume.
You need something that immediately grab the reader's attention within the first 4 seconds of reading or else they will just scroll down their phone and consume the next new things.
A good world building is the least effective element to do the job.
What you need is spectacles.
Hence, popular battle shonen manga nowadays is all about fight, character, fight, fight, character, and fight after fights.
Because this is what could grab kids and teens's attention the fastest.

I hope you guys realize how young you sound, commenting on "trends" which you don't realize have been common since decades before the turn of the millennium and acting like the majority of the work made during ANY period wasn't brainless garbage. Every single series you mention is EXCEPTIONAL, not the norm. There are exceptional works being made today, but I can't help but notice you ignore them.

>>7136943
Like jjk?

>>7136943
well i feel it's a bit of both.
it's definitely true that people tend to view the current time of anything they're experiencing as the worst because people get easily blinded by nostalgia, but at the same time it's pretty undeniable that series' like one piece or dragon ball couldn't be made nowadays because they take "way too long" to get to the parts of the series people remember most fondly.

like, it took one piece 100 chapters (two years) to get past it's introduction and actually start the main story, and then it only got to the real enemy at the mid 400 chapter mark, about ten years in. there's absolutely no way a modern editor or studio would let a writer take anywhere near that amount of time, so yeah i think it's fair to say there's a trend of stories having to be told faster so studios can try to churn out more big hits.

>>7136960
It's not nostalgia I'm referring to, it's survivorship bias. You only see the works that stood out, not the mountain of garbage that failed.

>one piece or dragon ball couldn't be made nowadays
This is absolute insanity to say.
>because they take "way too long" to get to the parts of the series people remember most fondly.
Why are you trying to make it sound like they were holding their cards for the long game? They both made sure to entertain the reader right away. Hooking the reader right away is not at all a new trend, you're just seeing all the ones that try and fail nowadays, instead of only seeing the EXCEPTIONAL works that succeeded because they managed to hook the readers quickly. No, zoomers are not any harder to keep interested than kids from back in the 80s and 90s, because kids are still kids. They always had short attention spans, and works aimed at them were always trying to catch and hold their attention quickly.
>like, it took one piece 100 chapters (two years) to get past it's introduction and actually start the main story, and then it only got to the real enemy at the mid 400 chapter mark, about ten years in.
These are completely arbitrary metrics that have no basis in reality. Who ever said a work needs to "get past its introduction" or "get to the real enemy" to entertain and hook people? It's a very narrow, childlike view of storytelling you're espousing. And again, you're looking at an exception. How many other manga have a 100 chapter long introduction, ever? That's not a time-period specific thing, yet you're treating it like one just to fit your preconceived notion.
>so yeah i think it's fair to say there's a trend of stories having to be told faster so studios can try to churn out more big hits.
If anything they're given more time than ever. Go pick up some Jump magazines from the 60s, 70s and 80s and give them a read. The authors sure as fuck weren't making any attempts to build a grand long-form story the majority of the time.

>>7136974
What EXCEPTIONAL mangas are you even referring to? The only notable to come out of jump in a long while was chainsawman.

>>7136982
>>7136943
>Every single series you mention is EXCEPTIONAL
>>7136289
>Jojo, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Shaman King, Zatch Bell, Soul Eater and G Gundam
>>7136798
>Yu Yu Hakusho
>>7136884
>Baki v Kengan
>>7136960
>one piece or dragon ball
All exceptional works.

The exceptional works being made today are only really possible to identify in retrospect, but even just in Jump there are multiple successful modern series that do not fit the complaint of
>"le urban modern japan setting but with demons" that's currently popular.
Namely Undead Unluck and Elusive Samurai. Even the most popular manga of the modern era, Demon Slayer, was not urban, modern japan.
And particular this complaint that modern series lack
>an actual sense of adventure, vast scale and discovery
is acting like series that provdied that was ever the norm, or even that this poster would feel the same way about said series if they were releasing today. I mean Gash Bell is exactly that "modern japan setting but with demons", and arguably so is Yu-Gi-Oh, Shaman King and parts of JoJo. The poster is conflating their personal attachment to the work. They don't feel adventure, scale or discovery from modern works because those are entirely subjective qualities, which can be ruined by overanalysis or breaking the experience up too much.

By the way, this notion of
>le urban modern japan setting but with demons
is bunk. Go grab some modern magazines and read everything in there. You'll find you're complaining about maybe 10% of manga made today, even within shounen manga.

Oh yeah, and if you're not a shounen yourself (12-16), why the fuck are you complaining that manga made for shounen does not appeal to you? Go read something where you are the target audience.

>>7136995
>Go read something where you are the target audience.
Doesn't exist

>>7136995
>Namely Undead Unluck and Elusive Samurai. Even the most popular manga of the modern era, Demon Slayer, was not urban, modern japan.
JJK, chainsaw man, and many more

>>7136999
>>7137000
I see you're more interested in crying about nonexistent problems than reading or drawing manga. I'm not engaging this conversation anymore, kindly fuck off back to /a/ to circlejerk about how old-good-new-bad. And whatever you do, don't ever grow up -- you might actually start enjoying things again.

>>7137007
Does this conversation hurt your feelings so much because you know we're talking about you?

It took 6 chapter to one piece to show a fight and the fight itself wasnt bombastic, in the actual shonen jump it would be axed asap.
But probably if Oda published now he would adapt his work to a more modern standards.

>>7136995
>Gash Bell is exactly that "modern japan setting but with demons", and arguably so is Yu-Gi-Oh, Shaman King and parts of JoJo.
All of those went beyond that japanese urban setting after a while and had story arcs centered around other countries (albeit kinda stylized/idealized compared to how they are in real life) or travelling the world, alongside characters from all over the world with varied abilities/fight styles depending on where they were from.
In comparison, JJK is entirely centered not even around Japan, but just the Kanto/Tokyo area, all the sorcerers are japanese and the only foreigner is like.... a random kenyan dude?

>>7136974
>Why are you trying to make it sound like they were holding their cards for the long game? They both made sure to entertain the reader right away.
entertaining the reader yes, but in a far more extended and decompressed way. many chapters could be dedicated to lore and world-building without needing to go into the characters themselves.

>No, zoomers are not any harder to keep interested than kids from back in the 80s and 90s, because kids are still kids.
didn't say that. i never even mentioned audiences, i clearly stated editors and studios.

>These are completely arbitrary metrics that have no basis in reality. Who ever said a work needs to "get past its introduction" or "get to the real enemy" to entertain and hook people?
are you trolling? it's an incredibly hard sell to tell someone "hey this new series is starting soon, but you'll have to wait two years for it to get past the introduction and the real enemy wont show up for another eight", which means it's going to be hell to try pitching that to a studio.
one piece is literally famous for struggling to find a western audience because of how long it is, and yes japanese publishers care a lot about western tastes.

>And again, you're looking at an exception. How many other manga have a 100 chapter long introduction, ever?
obviously not the point. it happened once and, looking at current industry trends, can't happen again. if you don't get why that's important to state then you don't see just how many people ask things like "why can't we have another one piece?"

>If anything they're given more time than ever. Go pick up some Jump magazines from the 60s, 70s and 80s and give them a read. The authors sure as fuck weren't making any attempts to build a grand long-form story the majority of the time.
having a compelling hook or being a one-shot isn't what this conversation is about.

>>7137292
>i clearly stated editors and studios.
Editors and studios are just doing their best to target the audience's reading habits, so the only reason an editor would push an author to speed the pacing up is because they believe the readers are losing interest. They're slightly removed, but to say that the editorial wouldn't allow something is pretty close to saying that the audience wouldn't enjoy something. Particularly in the context of this discussion, where we're talking about not forcing the author to start "the main story" or get to "the real enemy" (things we can only identify in retrospect, by the way), if the audience remains interested by what the author is doing then there's no problem even if it took 1000 chapters to finish the introduction.
>"hey this new series is starting soon, but you'll have to wait two years for it to get past the introduction and the real enemy wont show up for another eight"
That's something you can only say in retrospect. When the work is coming out, the developments are new and you can only speculate how things will develop.
Why are you talking about anime all of a sudden, by the way? Studios aren't making adaptations based on how they expect the anime to sell, they're paid a lump sum to adapt works, the adaptation boosts the sales of the original work & merch. It's not the studio that's profiting from the success of an anime in most cases. And even if they did take contracts based on how popular the adaption will be, they can see the sales figures of the manga itself already and can see whether or not the readers responded well to the decisions the manga made. Even if pacing WAS speeding up (it's not), anime adaptions are not the motivating force there.
>having a compelling hook or being a one-shot isn't what this conversation is about.
That wasn't why I suggested going and reading older magazines. I'm pointing out that the famous works you remember are nuggets of gold in a sea of mediocrity. No different from today.

I think the most recent manga I've read that had aventure were Psyche Matashitemo, Alive: final evolution(ok this one is 2003), darwin game and golden kamuy. Anime I would say mahou no tabitai and re:zero and sonny boy. Although, they were not based or inspired in our world but rather something new.

>>7127090
Paneling and art looks good but the characters are obviously non-Power and non-Aki/Denji.
Try harder with the designs because to me that's 90% of the appeal of manga.

>>7128300
He's honestly based, if even I little blunt.
The author's response causing uproar in the west is funny, too. They are always so uppity about creator's autonomy over their own work and always asking for permission and shit for even using an avatar and crediting, but then they go to mangakakalot or some other shitty pirated website and throw some paint over manga panels to get some easy likes on reddit/twitter, and GOD FORBID the author disliking this getting shoved on his face and voicing his thoughts on the matter.

>>7130115
Sounds like you like it more, faggot

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>>7135717
I'm not that anon, but he's right, he literally forms a square. If you watched the original series this is more apparent. It's pretty crazy because this was on my mind just today and then I saw this thread lol

I don't normally use my Twitter to share manga pages, but if I do, I would do it like this right?
>20 page total
>put 5 images per tweet, make 4 tweets total, mark it as 1/4 to 4/4

Sorry if this seems super basic. I also plan to upload to webtoons. I think I shouldn't use too many platforms, so two would be enough.

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>>7135996
>The thing about VNs is that you can tell extremely long stories with them, and the drawing is not as taxing or demanding as with manga
Wait until you hear about novels. That'll really blow your socks off. The story:image ratio of novels are insane

>>7137363
Don't be so jealous, stupid ugly nigger.

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>>7126841
>try making a fun childrens comic
>the writing turns out full of ironic internet humor and marvel movie quips
>mfw i have reddit tier writing

How do i fix this?

>>7137460
>How do i fix this?
Learn what makes true/timeless comedy and humor. Relying on dumb memes and current trends and references are a surefire way to make something that is going to be dated as fuck in a very short time.

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How do you overcome the necessity of killing yourself after realizing how bad you fucking are?

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I need to gather the strength to overcome my shame and my lack of skill to finally post again

>>7137368
He doesn't form a square, he forms the shape of a lemon. Or a lime. Or some other form of oblong spheroid citrus fruit.

>>7137352
gocha, time to plagiarize non stop.

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Looks like a lot of you are working on your keyboard skills. Ganbarou.

Ok, finally finished storyboarding Chapter 4 of Aecast. 117 pages, but I told myself I would end this arc with this chapter no matter what. Now to submit the storyboard and script to my (non-professional) editor to cover everything in red ink.

Captcha: YAAY

>>7137521
By drawing

>stop drawing for a while like a month or so
>get really rusty
>feel inspired and want to start drawing again but it's hard to see the shapes like I used to
>force myself through a struggle period
>warm back up over the course of a few days and get back to my peak
>my peak isn't good enough to me
>get frustrated and stop drawing for a month or so
>repeat
anyone else like this

>>7137469
>Learn what makes true/timeless comedy and humor.
How can i write funny stuff if i'm not a funny guy? Just try copying someone elses humor?

>>7138007
If you know you're not funny then why are you trying to force it? Write something you know you don't have to study a whole additional art form (comedy) to pull off.

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>>7138015
It's not just comedy.
It's this playful, creative spirit that we had when we made shitty comics as a kid. Everything i made was unpretencious.
Nowdays it has to make sense, or have some sort of message behind it.

>>7137893
https://youtu.be/NoYl6sFd0Qc?t=396

>>7138067
I have an unhealthy dissatisfaction. A poisonous dissatisfaction. It's liquifying my organs

>>7138071
I remember hearing advice that was along the lines of " if you want to succeed at something it's not good enough to want to do it. You need to get to a point where not doing it makes you feel sick." That's why I like to plan far ahead. So if I'm not feeling creative I can just mindlessly bang out backgrounds.

>>7128327
weird guys replying to you but i think for general audiences the guy being fun and friendly is important, look at any shonen character, someone a bit dumb with a heart of gold and dedication to better themselves is a sure hit with males ages 8-99 , meanwhile if u wanna pander a bit more to women i think having male characters with a bit extra confidence and smugness is generally welcomed too, look at characters like edward from fma or gojo from jjk, competent, confident and playful with their flaws coming more from their personality or past trauma rather than simply not being strong enough
if u mean visually go for a twink with a good physique and an androgynous face

>>7138025
I feel this strongly
I just want to have fun and not care so much

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Anyone else making comics/manga for gamers?

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Well, we hit bump limit, so i can post the last batch now that i won't feel guilty for wasting more of the thread

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Well i will start from here since i rewrite the dialogue a bit

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>>7138250
And last... i hope that i will post after the first page is fully finish

>>7138025
>Nowdays it has to make sense,
preferable trait in a story. guy walks, points at banana peel and boasts he wont slip on it, then gets abducted by banana shape ufo. hes taken to their homeworld to compete in a chariot race against other hostage creatures of various planets.
none of that makes sense.

>>7138372
I think he meant personally his own works just need to make sense now. Sure, there's nothing wrong with writing absurdist comedy like that, but perhaps it's not the type of thing he wants to write nowadays.

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Any tips for paneling? I'm completely new to making manga, right now I'm just copying panels I like.

>>7138007
yes. if you've ever laughed at something then you can work your way backwards to find out why you laughed at it, and then you can replicate it again and again.
you're not supposed to be good at anything when you start. listen to dvd commentary tracks of your favorite shows and you'll see that even the writer's rooms of the best shows are mainly focused with getting the inevitable mountain of duds out of the way when writing jokes.

>>7138474
same thing for you. if you're learning from what works you'll eventually be able to do it near instinctively. make sure to focus on drawing thumbnails over and over though, so you don't spend all your time drawing entire pages when the only thing you should be learning is the paneling and not sketching, inking, toning, etc.
other than that, the books in the OP (particularly Understanding Comics and Making Comics by Scott McCloud) are helpful to know what you're actually copying so you're not just mindlessly copying things.

>>7138474
boichi's recent video was decent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wyX0D8rMy8

>>7138488
>make sure to focus on drawing thumbnails over and over though, so you don't spend all your time drawing entire pages when the only thing you should be learning is the paneling and not sketching, inking, toning, etc.
I actually do this now. I'm using a pencil and just trying to use 3 tones to create thumbnails.
I'll check out the book, thanks.
>>7138506
Thank you, I'll check it out

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>>7138474
Some advice that i like a lot, is tracing a page of a manga that you like, or a page that you like a lot, is like reverse engineering

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>>7138251
I'd use more white space for the middle panel, kinda like this page of Clover.

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Anyone knows of manga artists that draw their environments by hand instead of using models/3d?
Pic related is Matsumoto Jiro (Freesia). So far I know these mangaka have hand drawn backgrounds (maybe not in all their works but at least some) :
Matsumoto Jiro
Tsutomo Nihei
Q Haysahida
Tayo Matsumoto
Chica Umino

Id like to get as many as possible for studying purposes

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>>7139027
Gon is my go to.

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>>7139027
Araki

>>7139027
Taku Kuwabara (Drifting Dragons)
Kamome Shirahama (Witch Hat Atelier)
Ryoko Kui (Dungeon Meshi)

New thread
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