I don't think cyclops-chan likes being targeted like this

Trad work . Not being able to use all the shortcuts and cheats you can use with digital.

Learn to draw on pen and paper first, fags.

>>7397755
By actually having sovl

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>>7397755
I'm not mindbroken. I like his art and find it to be inspirational. Like Vegeta with Goku, this only inspires me to try harder. Not to surpass him, just to reach my goal.

>>7397755
He's just built different, like Pew Pew Die.
He sadly won't make things that are appealing to me, very few can so I have to keep trying.

>>7397765
Lmfao. I bet you I can draw better than you and I only draw digital. The whiniest elitists are always so terrible.

the speech bubbles being a different piece of paper is peak soul

>>7397765
>>7397819
PYW

>>7397822
I've played this game enough to know the best way to actually determine who has a bigger dick is to have challenge drawing we both draw. Whenever I post my work people bitch out.

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>>7397819
I love that pen and paper is elitist.
I only draw digital as well, and you might be better than me, I've only drawing regularly for 2 years.
>>7397822
K

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>>7397831
I misinterpreted you then. I agree there is a lot of merit to drawing trad, I thought you were a trad user who has never touched digital and is casting stones. Whenever I sketch it's with pen. I like your style very charming, I don't think you can really compare our styles as mine skews towards realism.

>>7397765
>>7397827
this you? let's see your trad skills then, if you keep boasting about them being superior to digital

>>7397755
Sorry but if you're that blown away by this, or Pewdiepie for that matter, you might be retarded. I don't mean to be discouraging and maybe I just have natural talent or whatever, but how can this kind of stuff be that hard to learn? I just don't get it.

>>7397841
cyclops chan is the guy that draws those. This post is presumably made by either a naive person that doesn't understand this place is a crab bucket, or someone with malicious intent that wants to tear down cyclops chan. The dude is going to catch a lot of strays this thread and all they've done is be positive and draw.

>>7397840
No, only >>7397765 is me

And I said
>Learn to draw on pen and paper first,
>fags.
I never said trad is better or worse than digital, I'm arguing that it's the best way to start.
I'm not gonna scan any of my old work when the other guy wont post his

>>7397843
it feels like this thread wasn't really made in good faith. It seems someone just wants to make fun of cyclops-chan or discredit them

>>7397838
Fair enough. Yeah I don't do trad anymore, but I 100% believe it makes you more careful and precise.
Great use of colors as well, something I can't do

>>7397843
I'm not trying to tear him down, I think his work is cute and good for a beginner, I'm just sick of all the posts acting like beginner-tier anime drawings are some impossible goal that only highly talented people can reach.

the point of drawing is not to be better than someone else, you fucking third worlders.

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please stop trying to lolcow the cyclops

>>7397755
why does he refuse to draw her naked

>>7397867
Be the change you wanna see

>>7397847
It's a joke recently made in /beg/ like today.
It is genuine. We were joking that anons progress will make perma/beg/ seethe as much as pewdiepie. But personally I think cyclops chan in an inspiration. I live their work. Genuine fan of the work even if I'm not into loli

>>7397874
Cyclops is a loli?

>>7397871
You wouldn't do that to cyclops-chan right? Also I think it has to be him drawing her naked

>>7397876
He post her in /lsg/

>>7397876
More like shortstack
>>7397878
He posts her in lots of places

>>7397876
>has massive boobs
>loli
Nigga pls

>>7397881
He posts in /lsg/. It's a loli.

>>7397882
He should draw her naked

>>7397881
It's their character bro. I'm not projecting. Take it up with them.

>>7397880
Yes. But have you ever talked to anon?
It's a loli. It's their character design.

>>7397880
I dont post my shortstacks in lsg.
But then again, I don't post anything in lsg

>>7397881
oppai lolis are a thing. They post them in the loli thread.

Cyclops chan represents amaturishness with effort. That's the best way I can put it.

>>7397895
This. It's why people seethe. They could never hope to put as much effort and have as much passion as cyclops.

I think anons here are making headcanons, when cyclops-chan actually doesn't have everything figured out about their character. lmao
>>7397874
cyclops-chan's art has very genuine and fun feel to it

>>7397902
they clearly have it figured out shes a loli

people here always try find some insane shortcut or cheat method. when it's in fact just drawing and having fun while doing it that would actually help them improve

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>>7397755
you forgot his most recent drawings from your mindbreak/cyclops-chan bullying attempt.

>>7397841
Drawing is unbelievably difficult to get into if you don't find it at least a little bit intuitive. After months of practice, I'm still at the level where my goal with each drawing is for the subject to at least be vaguely recognizable. I am envious of the skills possessed by most grade-schoolers, much less people who can actually make something appealing. I would never have believed that drawing was something humans could do at all if I hadn't seen others do it.

>>7397920
PYW?

>>7397919
>>7397755
How do I get talent bros?

>>7397945
become the talent bros

>>7397949
How do I redeem talent?

>>7397919
I am legitimately jealous of how he draws clothes. Is so much better than me. Everything else I think I do better though. No I won't post my work fuck you

>>7397980
post your work and I'll say something nice about it.
>>7397950
First, you find a gullible old person

>>7397980
>Im better, but I wont pmw
Then dude, just shut up. If you're that fragile just lurk. No reason to say anything

>>7397980
>Im better, but I wont pmw
this is the exact reason why people stay beg

>>7397995
>>7397999
Lol. I no longer feel like I have to prove anything to you faggots Wanna see my work? PAY!

>>7397992
>post your work and I'll say something nice about it
Thanks but I won't. If you're the cyclops girl guy, don't take what I said the wrong way. You're doing fine.

>>7398007
>he thinks his work is worth paying for
You got the right mindset anon, I'll give you that.

>>7397919
He really should draw her naked. Why does he refuse to do that, not even bikini or underwear.

>>7397755
i'm probably not in on some meme but this is worse than /beg/. it's cookie cutter wannabe anime slop with zero soul and any semblance of accurate anatomy shine through as clearly traced pose books. wtaf.

>>7398086
what are you even on about? PYW
you just hate on him because it's anime, is that it
also sounds like you're coping

>>7398086
>zero soul.
nigga please. bait used to be believable

>>7398094
pay me for access to my sketchbook then. hate is a strong word and it's too strong for those works. it's just nothing. they're the scribbles in some 7th graders math book. there's no dynamism or accuracy to be seen and the only places where it comes close to creativity, dynamic poses or accuracy are places where it looks suspiciously close to an obvious reference. ffs 10 of those pictures are laterally the same thing copy pasted.
>>7398098
after reading the thread it's obvious you people just want to air out some anon's scribbling because it somehow embarrassed whatever you can shit out. but yes it's 0 soul.

>>7398099
>pay me for access to my sketchbook then
stopped reading here. you are obvious crab

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>>7398102
>you are obvious crab

The hair is fucking retarded.

>>7398099
noo. you can't use references. you are only allowed to use imagination. the absolute state of nodraws, I bet you think using rulers are also cheating.

also why are you this hell bent on shitting on the guy. he has only drawn for a month ffs.

>>7398110
nigga there's using references and then there's refusing to draw something because you can't find the exact perspective, body type, and pose.

>>7398116
what's wrong with these ones then >>7397919. can you say his shading and the way he draws clothes is bad. I think he did pretty solid job with the perspective too.

I knew this thread would turn into people just bullying and tearing into cyclops-chan at some point. I bet this is exactly what the OP hoped would happen

>>7398108
The hair is cute

>>7398129
he's being critical of over reliance of refs for poses and perspective and you're talking about shading and clothes?

>>7398137
I assumed he was the same guy from the above. I apologize if I was wrong. the above guy sounded more like he was really just shitting on the guy as a whole.

>>7398134
It isn't.
Also, I would agree with >>7398086 >>7398099
My first thought about seeing this is how it looked like something a 7th grader made.

>>7398147
so. what do you draw then?

>>7398153
Did I strike a nerve?

>>7398156
just genuinely a bit curious. I have no horse in this race. but I'd like to see what you consider mature drawings

>>7398147
It's about a month of cartooning. As a comic, the story is a little bland and and the art is amateurish but as a comic/cartoon, I think it's fine.

>>7398162
I have no idea of what a mature drawing is. I didn't call his work 'immature'. I said it looks like a 7th grader's doodle in math class.

>>7398175
Cyclops-chan's gotta be doing something right with his drawings and character design, since there have been many people here who have drawn his character and even more who'd like to draw his character naked (Me).

Cyclops-chan is good. There is genuine appeal in his drawings. No matter how much you'd like to discredit him

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I think he has done pretty good for his first month drawing. All things considered

>>7398183
Appeal does not make a drawing good. It's still just symbol drawing.

>>7398186
Appeal is all that matters in the end. if no one likes looking at your art, what's the point

>>7398190
That would only happen if what is being drawn itself is just uninteresting. If you draw something interesting well, your drawing will have appeal.

what's the appeal of an asian girl and an offbrand domo?

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I bet all these people shitting on cyclops, aren't /beg/ posters. they don't understand the things people draw in there maybe even years on end. dios mio the horrors i've seen

>>7398201
>Finnish girl and offbrand gondola.
It's quite charming and the girl is really cute. It's just slice of life stuff in the army. I think it's pretty good idea.

>>7397755
>/ic/ try no to abuse beginner artists challenge
Putting Cyclops-chan in a spot by making thread like this is just actual bullying and might be going a bit too far. This thread wasn't made in good faith and you're just trying to turn people against him and get people to make fun of him aren't you?

>>7398233
It was 100% not made in good faith, that much is obvious.
It was made by a permabeg

>>7398203
O algo

>>7398203
this, so much this.

>>7398233
You're right, but it's also 50/50. They are putting themselves on the spot as well

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>>7398249
Might be beg, but artist legitimately has more creativity than 90% of the board.

Wait...what if they made the thread themself?

>>7398292
>>7398295
singular they is dumb, isn't it?

>>7398249
>>7398233
You guys were not in the /beg/ thread so you don't know. I'm not gonna post everything. But basically this thread is a joke for these string of posts.
So I'm pretty sure it's sincere. We love cyclops-chan in /beg/ unofficial mascot
>>7397676
>>7397601
>>7397745

>>7398297
Anons don't have genders anon. If you want to become a tripfag or avatarfag.

>>7398306
Anons to be assumed male until proven to be faggots.

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>>7398295
"Themselves" was correct, Anon.

>>7398203
I stopped looking at beg because there was one guy there who kept posting his art that was so ugly I legit thought I was going to get worse just by looking at it.

>>7398203
I have a feeling I know exactly who you are referring to.

>>7397919
Soft....

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>>7398467
Shit.

>>7398203
>>7398477
>>7398529
You're talking about me...

>>7398578
Dare I say PYW

>>7398574
Massive...

Personally I don't find his character appealing but as someone that is also on the path of learning I wish him the best.

>>7398728
I think his character is appealing. He is great inspiration to anyone who wants to pick up the pen.

Also as a sidenote. I'm not sure if cyclops-chan realizes that his character is really hot, since he refuses to draw her naked lmao.

>>7398763
How do I pick up pen?

>>7398763
It's a combination of pencil and pen, no,

>>7398825
Just pet the fucking dog

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>>7398825
pick it up

Just another talented fag...

>>7398857
surely you are one too?

>>7398865
No.

>>7397809
dbzchads cant stop winning

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>>7399174
>>7397809
bejitabros keeping it real

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>>7397755
Another anon said cyclops art mogged me the other day and i'm still upset about it

>>7399310
unironic mindbreak. I'm sorry for your loss

>>7399310
pyw so we can destroy you again

Cyclops-girl.....cute

>>7397919
>>7397755
Exactly how many years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes and seconds until I can draw a cyclops like this?

>>7399758
Depends if you have the jeans or not

But can he draw a stroad?

>>7397755
>How did he do it?
depending on who you ask he did the needfull or unthinkable
he was just drawing

>>7401509
How do I "just draw"?

>>7397755
>How did he do it?
its all beacuse of his finnish jeans

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>>7397919
What a fucking hack.

>>7397945
>>7397980
>>7399758
Just cheat like he does

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>>7397919

>>7402841
>>7402845
lol lmao even

>>7402841
>>7402845
>>7397919
using ref/studying another artist is fine but him trying to pass these off as 100% his own (even just through omission) is pretty disingenuous

>>7402859
nvm, it's not even just omission. he lies when asked about it
>>7397601
>>7397736
>>7397783
if you want to "improve" that quickly, copy a different artist 1:1 and say you "just drew" when people wonder how

>>7402841
What the fuck cyclops chan? You tricked me... I was proud of you

he likes kanna nothing wrong with that. he did improvise

people in ic think using refs is cheating. lol lmao even

>>7402915
lying about not using ref is the issue not using ref

>>7402917
stop bullying cyclops-chan. he did do his own take even if using refs, you just try to discredit him.

>>7402917
>>7402859
I'm proud of cyclops. he extended both refs and used completely different clothes. So I don't see what you're getting at. Just let him draw

>>7402919
>>7402924
>how did you improve?
>i just drew and i used ref
cool

>how did you improve?
>i just drew
not cool

i'm also not bullying him, i've defended him in multiple other threads. again there's nothing wrong with using ref, but lying about it is quite shitty

>>7402927
he said "I just like drawing my character in different situations". he didn't say he "I just drew". I think you're misinterpreting him.

>>7402919
rip bozo you wont be missed

cyclops chan will always be on fraudwatch

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>>7402859
>>7402841
>>7402863
>>7402917
Did he really make it pass as his own? To me it sounds more like he didnt think it was relevant to spell it out. Most people using references see it as just another part of the process that doesnt need to be explicitly mentioned, as most people take for granted, so of course he wouldnt mention it, it doesnt comes as a surprise either. You're making it sound as if the guy is outright tracing and is making it pass as his own, which is not what is happening here.

Besides, guy is still a /beg/, he is still learning. Give him a break.
Keep up the good work, Cyclops anon.

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Pewds also drew this from reference. Now what?

>>7402990
Didn't he talk about using reference, he has refs up in the video while he's drawing? Anyways, cyclops anon is improving but him not using another drawing as ref for his most recent two pics would be way more impressive, which is not the case.

Cyclops anon, just say you use a ref if asked. Drawingwise you're doing good.

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>>7402990
>Now what?
the only thing this prove is that both pewds and cyclops are unable to draw without having a solid reference, by this i mean that they need a single pic that have everything they need to draw, so is mostly trying to copy 1:1, trying being the keyword. If you compare pewdipie or cyclops work that looks bad compared to these you will notice the inmense downgrade their art suffer, i dont even have to go that far and just need to point how the head on cyclops work looks like he ask a little kid to draw it to finish the drawing, even the likework is worst than the one in the body.

>>7402917
>>7402995
I remember Cyclops-chan has said in the past he uses references when asked how he came up with some pose. I think cyclops has been pretty open about stuff when asked

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>>7403013
not even pros are able to draw without solid reference it seems

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>>7403020
thats a pretty bad excuse in this case, im not saying he is wrong for using references, but he clearly has been lying about his progress and he draw this character all the time but the head hasnt progress at all from day one, dont you think that doing the same over and over should give you some progr-

>>7403032
The hair improved.

>>7402927
Omission, lying by omission, and lying are all different things

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>>7403299
he has been pretty open about liking to use references from early on. why are people giving him shit for it just now

>>7403308
It's just one retard who has something against cyclops

>>7403308
Makes sense. Of course he uses references that’s how you learn.

>>7402841
Pretty scummy to flip it. But it might also be because of the stupid hair he uses to avoid drawing two eyes

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>>7403384
using the references flipped is a bad thing
What-

Isn't this a blatant lie >>7397783

>>7403399
Only if you make a graphic to go along with it.

>>7403384
He doesn't draw the hair other way around ever

>>7403399
Stop bullying him. There is nothing wrong with using refs. Fucking begs

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>>7403399
You're going to make the thread anyway, but let me ask you: For what? Being a /beg/ and using references? Not saying something that most people take for granted? Come on, anon. You're crossing the line of dramafagging over a /beg/ that has caused ZERO harm to anyone.
Don't be absurd.

I feel NTR'd

>>7403408
Permabeg cucks seething over being ntr'd by fraudulent talent.

>>7403407
it's just one guy who has something against cyclops. he even admitted in another thread that he knows cyclops has done nothing wrong, but he just doesn't like him posting his drawings everywhere

>>7403397
no. why would you need to point out that you used reference? Do you also say that you used reference when you post your art every time

everyone who draws established characters uses references

>>7403410
so is pewds also fraudulent talent for using references. pick you goalpost

>>7403416
Anons asked how he got good and he said he just liked drawing his oc in different situations. He didn't say he used references to help him.

>>7403407
this is just legitimate bullying. The guy just says he likes drawing his character and that makes him want to improve
>>7403439
the question was aimed on what makes him draw so much, than how he draws, if you read the thread he was asking about his drive to draw, that they themselves lack.

>>7403453
>How did you reach this level in a month, I just don't get it?
he's asking how he got good in a short amount of time not what makes him draw so much

>>7403511
The guy just says he likes drawing his character and that makes him want to improve. What you think he should have said then. From the very beginning his oc seems to always have been the reason why draws.
So to him I think when asked to explain how he got good so fast, he'd obviously answer it's his oc

>>7403528
>How did you get so good so fast
>I observed my reference better this time
His observation fundie got better but many people were under the impression that he just draws until it looks good.

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>>7403532
>but many people were under the impression that he just draws until it looks good.
NTA but that's on them if that's the case.
Honestly, should someone asked me about how Im improving, the last thing that'd come to mind is that Im using references because that's something you just do, you dont think about that. I think you're looking for the cat's fifth leg on anon's words just to justify some rhetoric of "lie by omission." He is using references, big deal.

>>7403532
I hate that people rarely ask him stuff directly. He responds honestly when asked. It's always either people making fun of him or just spouting disingeninous compliments in hopes to turn people against him. This whole thread is perfect example of this.

Even teh drawings of masters are full of mistakes. But if you are actually able to finish drawings, they will look like how they are meant to look in the end.

>>7403543
sovlful trvthnuke
/thread

>>7403539
Exactly. If someone were to ask me why I'm so good. I don't think i'd be able to muster up any better response.

>>7403539
Using a photo ref is entirely different from copying 80% of your drawing from another artist. There's levels to it as well. If you copy a published famous artist like Toriyama very few people will care if you don't credit him, but the will laugh if you say you came up with it entirely yourself. If you copy a twitter artist like in this case and take credit people will get upset, usually fans of the artist being copied. If you copy a pinterest photo people might get annoyed. If you copy your own ref photo nobody will care. I have nothing against the guy and I'm guessing he just didn't know he should mention it if asked directly.

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so what's the big deal. he uses refs. so what
>He didn't say he used references.
he has said he uses them in the past.
>>7403308
I don't think he should really keep saying something people should take for granted anyway.
Cyclops has done no wrong in my books

>>7403551
He did his own enough take on the ref, but still people should actually try talking to the guy directly sometimes

>>7403558
do you think araki would be incapable of drawing the right pic without a ref

>>7403571
yes

>>7403571
unironically yes. but could you

>>7403575
>>7403576
Entirety of jojo manga was heavily referenced from a better artist

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>>7403576

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>>7403578
this

>>7403578
I doubt that it's entirely based on refs, however manga artists have so much work which requires so much creativity, they should be allowed to use refs wherever they want. As long as it helps progressing the story, it's fair game.

>>7403597
cyclops is trying make his manga, albeit it's doodles and seems to be just for his own amusement and ours. So there really shouldn't be any issue

>>7403607
Sure, to me, references should be encouraged, except maybe you are some kind of performance artist like Kim Jung Gi. Especially if you are a beginner, use references all you want. Even tracing is fine by me. You just also have to be able to create something of your own with it.

>>7403558
>>7403584
I personally think the manga page with the chatper title is fair game to add any wacky stuff if the author wants to. I think it's cute.

About the cyclops thing, who gives a fuck if it is for learning. The people overblowing how "good he became" and whoever made this thread were clearly shitposting to make people hate him as >>7403540 mentioned

>>7403670
What started as a bit of joking around in beg thread has turned to full on actual bullying

>>7403681
How is that a bad thing? Do you really want another permabeg resident schizo shitting up the board with their garbage drawings?

>>7403826
yes

>>7403826
It's a bad thing because now I have spam not only from the permabeg resident schizo shitting up the board but also from his schizos pretending to like his art

>>7397755
It's a femcel anime girl, kinda looks a bit tomoko inspired so ofc 4chan is gonna like it
>>7397765
Digital isn't cheating, it's mostly a style difference, I like pen and paper drawings more but digital can be fun
>>7402845
>>7402841
Wow a beginner artist using references, absolutely mind-blowing

>>7405271
He has even been saying he is trying to learn how other artists draw clothes and folds. He even used the most famous oppai loli artist as a reference, So he clearly wasn't trying to hide it. is he not allowed to try and learn from masters?
>>7397706
>>7404187

>>7405285
all of this has been just one big nothing burger. Lmao. you can use whatever helps you to learn

>>7405285
He posted the bottom one after >>7402841
first post says nothing about referencing or other artists.
He's not hiding it anymore which is good.

>>7405298
Yeah. But i don't think him using the master of his niche as a reference is really hiding it. But yeah, it's great he is open about it. I think this whole thing was blown out of proportions and was really uncalled for.

>>7405319
most if not all of this hate cyclops-chan is getting is just by one guy. who wants him to stop posting his OC on this board

>>7405329
Nah, I posted that he shouldn't hide using ref a few times. Which I'm sure you think is hate. But I've never said anything like >>7403826

>>7405333
fair enough.
but shit like this is just uncalled for when this whole thing really isn't that serious >>7403826

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>>7397755
By doing shitty variations of Chaika I guess?

>>7406153
are you actually giving him shit for this. that was his third drawing...that's pretty good chaika variation I'd say. How did your third drawing look like? PYW

>>7406156
Nah, I'm biased already cause I don't like Chaika. No criticism on drawing humans since I never tried it, currently doing fundamentals.

>>7406156
or his first week drawing. third posted idk. still my point stands

>>7403439
Maybe you should start using references too. You getting worked up about him just implies that using them is some outlandish method, when it actually should be expected as a default for someone trying to improve.

Cyclops will peak. There’s only so far beginner gains will take you. Just another anon that won’t mature past much all the same.

>>7409624
I think not using refs is biggest beg trap there is. You will never grow out of the symbol drawing stage if you only rely on imagination

>>7409630
Preach!

>>7397755
it doesnt take much, any amount of drawing at all does it

Referencing is encouraged but idk there's just something about it when the derivative drawing fits as a traced product. Like the tits squished in door thing, where would there be a double sliding door in the Finnish army? If you were referencing it and wanted to fit the scenario into your character wouldn't you devise another tit-squish scenario and fit her into that? Boxes in the storeroom or something? Cartoon refs have almost no value unless you understand how to deconstruct the drawing to apply the original artist's technique yourself

>>7409736
>wanted to draw tits getting squished in a door
>drew it
>had fun doing it
>wtf where was the value?

>>7409736
as a cloth study reference it's pretty good. He was able to extend and draw different clothes than the ref. but I think cyclops-chan just wanted to draw his girls boobs get squished like this anon says
>>7409762

>>7398186
>I-it doesn't matter if lots of people find it appealing! It's symbol drawing so it's bad!
What an absolute westoid cope. I suppose you think mangaka use loomis to construct their heads

>>7409762
If that's all you want to do that's fine but the person who copied the tits ref clearly says they're pleased with getting better which tracing really won't do for you

>>7409871
>copying and tracing are the same thing

>>7409871
you should be able to tell cyclops just drew from the ref if you actually compare the pieces. No way people are this much of begs in ic to think drawing from the ref is the same as tracing. lmao

>>7409982
you underestimate the absolute state of begs in here.

>>7409871
>using a reference won’t help you get better
How many boxes do I have to grind before I can draw good titties

>>7409984
this, people should learn to expand their visual libraries when they're begs. you won't get anything out of mindlessly grinding boxes or other pointless exercises

>>7409988
Drawing boxes and doing line exercises has helped me a ton but you have to actually draw too

>>7409989
sure. I meant mindlessly doing some exercise without absorbing anything in the process. because i see so many people just grinding without putting any mind to it

Not replying to the tards 1 by 1 but there's a right and wrong way to use ref, mindlessly eating pre chewed food does nothing

>>7409991
I understood what you meant I just said that for total newbies so they’d understand that they can choose both because everybody is retarded now. I remember where I was not long ago.

>>7409992
Reply to me like a man faggot.

No.