A year has passed, it's all crap, nothing has improved
>>7422008Draw from life and stop drawing from photographs
>>7422008Get a mirror. Do betty edwards or bert dodson's books.
>>7422008Stop gooning
>>7422008 Crap
>>7422011pyw
>>7422086Ok
by far the worst genre of /ic/ thread
>>7422089None of these are the human figure
>>7422008Stop drawing whores.
>>7422008That's because you didn't draw from life. If you draw from photos you become worse>>7422011>>7422089based lifeGOD
>>7422213Okay, here’s some humans Just go look at the /life/ general and you’ll see plenty of anons drawing humans from life.
>>7422008Jesus Christ man, you’re supposed to THINK when you draw? Not just scribble randomly and randomly places boxes and forms where there are none just trying to copy what you’ve seen other people do mindlessly. THINK about where the pelvis and ribcage are in relation to one another, don’t just put random shapes hoping that’ll it’ll turn out nice. >>7422011Also, this. Stop drawing from just photographs and draw from a live model. Another advantage of the live model is you can move around the room and see the landmarks on the body to find the other side of the pelvis, for example, which is hidden by her leg in the photograph instead of just guessing. >>7422270It’s crazy how it’s a daily occurrence on this board for anons to post their work alongside a photograph asking “why won’t my work improve???????” And it is never, ever, ever someone who draws from life. You would think anons would notice this pattern by now but no people on this board still get mad when you suggest life drawing.>>7422289I’d post my actual figure drawings OP instead of this half assed scribbly shit, but I think it helps to see the forms somewhat, and my figure drawings are in the life thread and I’m tired of reposting them all the time just go check out the thread.
passage of time do not contribute to drawing ability
>>7422008>>7413414
>>7422008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp-m_5wQZYw
>>7422008stop doing constructionstop ignoring faces and clothes
>>7422569AI shit
>>7422569im watching this and i dont understand what this geriatic fuck is talking about, those faggots your recond themselves drawing from muscle memory and ramble and people pay money for it?
>>7422582wait this is ai?>>7422569
>>7422623I don't think so, there are too many human imperfections and simplifications, and the stylization adjusted the shape of the head/face significantly.
>>7422623if ai can recreate the antialiased edges of lines that've been fill bucketed i'm killing myself
>>7422569It's definitely AI, you fucking pajeet
>>7422008well duh, you can't do 10,000 hours of anatomy and life drawing in a year.
>>7422569Why do you think that by uploading shit there you will succeed in your farce? You are not an artist.
>>7422011>durr draw from life>when the op is still symbol drawingJUST RUN A MARATHON WHEN YOU CANT CRAWL
>>7422008do some bargue
>>7422582>>7422664you do not drawstop using this board
>>7422675He’s been drawing from reference for a year and has made little to no progress What’s the harm in trying something new and challenging?
>>7422675Drawing from life is how you stop symbol drawing. It forces you to draw how things actually are and exist in 3D space.
>>7422692Draw you?????? Ai asshole
>>7422569>>7422582>>7422595>>7422623>>7422658>>7422664
>>7422582>>7422658fucking dumbasses. these are the people critiquing your work KEK
>>7422918its either third worlders that think everything is ai due to their limited usage of the internet or retards with little to no drawing experience
>>7422569Why do people think this picture is AI? What are they basing that assumption on?
>>7422934 looks good.
>>7423048even though the first one is a based moai poster this one mogs everyone in the thread
>>7422569This not is AI, but, is a fucking crap
sex...
>>7422934jeet AIncels are seething and trying to falseflag
>>7422926This. Being unable to spot AI outs you as a nodraw, arguing about it just digs the whole deeper.
>>7422351I thought and compared where the pelvis and chest are, I don’t understand and don’t see how they are located correctly, I don’t understand your comments, I know that I’m a degenerate and I need to quit this, I really don’t understand how you positioned this pelvis
>>7422692>you do not draw>stop using this boarddon't forget. this board is for critics too.
>>7423148Well it’s a pretty shit drawing my bad, here’s another shot drawing but hopefully clearer. Look at how much lower her other leg is dude. I’ll do a redline if that’ll help, but the pelvis is clearly tilted that low and you should be seeing much more of the bottom plane of the pelvis. Draw from life and you’ll see this shit.
>>7423170you rotated it too much, vagina is in the middle of the bottom of your box
>>7423177Yes, the vagina form should be below the box, just as it’s below the pubis.
>>7423178
>>7423180I see what you mean, that’s much better. I tried correcting the ribcage here too.
>>7422909Cripplingly underrated post.
>>7423180why are people obsessing with these fucking ugly boxes that don't have any similiarity to human form or anatomy. It's much better using more simpler and charasteritic shape like a bowl or an egg for example??why don't just draw that those fucking simple curves there? those boxes dont help at this point at all.
>>7423654Boxes help you understand the geometric planes of the body.
>>7423657the body does not have "geometric planes" and if have certainly not in the pelvis and ass
>>7423675Sure it does. It’s a body, it exists in a three dimensional world, therefore it has planes. Lighting often can show you the planes. Not how in OP’s pic the contrast between light and dark in the midsection and in the leg is sharp. That’s because they are different planes. It’s a simplification that can help when learning construction and anatomy.
>>7423680okay lets draw this reference and post it in 15 mins, lets see who does a better job? lets' see how well your knowledge serves you
>>7423686I’m gone for the holidays but I’d be more than happy to post an example from my work and then draw this when I’m back if you post an example from your work.
>>7423686where is it
>>7423686>>7423690I don’t have my tablet since I’m gone, but I found a pen and paper if you’re down to do it traditionally. Better that way anyway since there’s little to no chance of being a tracing fag.
>>7423718ok you can do with paper i do digitally, can do also paper after
>>7423745Let’s just do trad starting now.
>>7423750Here
>>7423764And here’s a more complete work of mine which better shows the box of the pelvis. It’s an anatomical drawing from an anatomy, so this isn’t how I’d draw in an actual figure drawing class. The purpose is to simplify to learn the geometric planes of the body not to be aesthetically pleasing. My teacher corrected this one to show how I failed to show the clear plane of the torso.
>>7423766Box better seen here, sorry for phoneposting like a faggot.
>>7423764
I applaud you for delivering…sorry i took so long to post but 4chan is not letting me post images for some reason now i try with phone. I just made a quick drawing but can also elaborate on the anatomy if needed…but who gives a fuck.
>>7423790>I applaud you for deliveringLikewise. Nice work. Well if you wanna do it digitally go ahead I just dont trust the pajeets on this board to not trace.
First of all the reference image is hideous…i get no inspiration out of this one but heres a fairly quick digital as promised.
>>7423826post what you consider to be a good reference image
Test
>>7423790>>7423826Blog?
>>7422008AI could be okay for ref, but that one got her left arm all wrong. Anyway, keep at it anon a year is nothing.
>>7422008A year has passed and you still can't pick good reference lmao
>>7422569I Love your art moai anon!!!
>>7423896Grotesque
>>7425002PYW
>>7423896i like it
>>7422008
>>7425040
>>7423896sir, you have greatly dislocated her hip
>>7422351the fuck is that pelvis redline anon
>>7423183Don't give advice to people
>>7422008Use harder pencils first for roughs like 2H so your roughs are lighter than your detailing sketch. Your more detailed sketches you can use darker pencils like HB and 2B
>>7425636I titled it too much, but it’s still more correct than OP’s. The point stands that it should be more tilted and you should be seeing much more of the bottom plane. >>7425637My work is better than OP’s, so I gave advice. See how that works? Post your work or your opinion will be promptly discarded :) (you won’t)
not a single one of you got it right. For fuck's sake.
>>7426513It's late, I'll do it tomorrow. Someone has to show you newfag zoomers how to draw. I've already taken all my oldman medication and I'm tired.
>>7426513It's a ref, these guys used it right: >>7422569>>7423048>>7423790>>7423896 They didn't went anal doing grids or construction shit, but simply made a quick and original piece with personal character and style. That's the end game of any wannabe artist.
>>7422008Stop using scratchy lines for a whole session.
I overlayed it after I finished it to see how close I got and I got it pretty close just by eyeballing it. I painted over my grids though, I probably should have left them in just because.
>>7422008Keep grinding boxes
>>7427862Nice try AI chan.
>>7427880That's wakkawa chan to you, anon. I have like 6 years of figure drawing. This took me around an hour. I really screwed up on the (her left) arm and the head is bigger but the rest is pretty spot on.
>>7427883Okay, what do you think of the other attempts itt, any favorite "wakkawa" chan? This is my fav >>7423790
>>7427883why do you draw so many random dots that an ai would draw
>>7427898While it's not exactly great line work, I like the thinking of this anon's drawing >>7423764 He got the twist of the hips right, which was the hardest part. He's gotta work on his chicken scratching though.>>7427899the fuck you talking about. Are these dots in the room with you right now?
>>7427905
>>7427907probably from when I would select something and transform it rather than redraw the line. Also leaves little "cuts" are misaligned lines if I don't clean it up. Or just stray brush marks because I use the cheapest wacom available (just the small regular intuous, the $50 version). It also tends to lose all pressure sensitivity randomly and just BLOP a mark when I'm trying to do details. It's really shitty. You can see one of the cut marks on the hair strand where I moved it a little bit but didn't move it down to the arm. It was just an hour sketch so I really wasn't going for polish here.Also, I like to use the polygon lasso tool and cut the main figure out. Then I use the selection->smooth by 32 pixels which is why the lines don't match perfectly, It gives it a cool outline look. The stray marks get the outline too.I actually have a lot of AI images that I think are neat saved and dots are not an artifact I've noticed in them.
>>7427918fair enough. the dots were more common when ai sucked, it just seems like one of those things that a human would have no reason to add to a drawing. love the art btw just to be clear lol
>>7427927The only time I've used AI is something like LUMA where I animate my paintings for fun. They always come out as abominations though. I never noticed the little dots in my sketches before but I went back and just opened a random sketch from like 2017 (well before AI was a thing) and they are in it as well. It's gotta be because I use a cheap small wacom. I'm saving up to get a 22" cintiq though. When I worked at EA I had the 24HD and it was amazing but I've never owned one personally. That was back in 2018. All my personal art is done on this shitty little intuous.
>>7427862how do I get these kinds of lines? trying my hardest to not say "what brush did u use??" i know it isn't so whats the technique here?
>>7427954oh yeah nvm just read this >>7427918but still i'd like to hear more how-tos
>>7423048Killer man, those shoes are sick
>>7423654Here is your egg and bowl, flat and bulky crap with no perspective, worse than my garbage cubes
>>7422008I've tried this one too and fuck it up... welp
>>7427960The really sketchy look, with overlapping opacities and stuff really are just from the default round brushes. I either use a 100% hard brush or a 0% hard brush to make things softer. I set the opacity to 100% but the flow to 30%, this makes the brushes softer and harder to get to black (you really gottta press down to get blacks) To blend in the shadows, I start with whatever color I want, then use the color picker (alt key) to pick up the midcolor to continue blending. I'll keep hitting the color picker for lower and lower values. Sometimes I turn off the "size pressure" (like in the picture using that button) to get better value control without worrying about the size changing.Also, usually I keep my layers extremely clean so I can ctrl click the layer (which selects everything on that layer) and then make a layer underneath it, go to select->modify>expand 8px then select->modify>smooth 32px and hit alt+backspace to fill with a dark color to create a solid outline around the entire thing. Most of the time it doesn't look that good so I lower that layers opacity to like 20% so it's really subtle but looks nice.That's about as much as I can explain it. I use to livestream all the time so I might do it again. I had a few imagineFX tutorials I've done that have my process recorded as well but I don't remember which issues those were. I did like 6 of then.
>>7423654box is strict 3d orientation gizmo in perspective. blobs are ambiguous. if you cant draw a box means you cant make decisionturning box into blob or bowl is trivial.
>>7428101She feets
reposting cause i fucked up the head colossally without noticinganyways i got no idea how to draw dat left hand
>>7422008it looks like you tried to combine a geometric drawing, working into a sort of figure drawing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5tyz0xzBL0&list=LL&index=4&t=1s. This is a good demonstration of the sort of geometric drawing. It's mostly used to understand perspective.Most of your time should be doing figure drawings based on your frustration. Do scaling interval drawings on Quick Pose starting at 10 seconds working up to at least 10 minutes.
>>7428101Best in the thread for the shoes alone
A couple of people have already said to draw from life and im curious myself. I know this is the best way to learn but how do i draw people from life? Do you just draw strangers on street? Btw i live in a shithole so going to classes with models is out of the question
>>7429454You can just pay a girl $50 an hour to model for you. You could always start a figure drawing club and charge people like $10 a session to help pay for the model. I take my own reference photos for my art and I either ask my prettier friends to model for me or I used modelmayhem (I don't know if it's still a thing anymore though) to find models on there. Go to a strip club, tell one of the girls you're an artist and need a nude model and give them your business card with a link to your portfolio and email/phone number.Models that pose at schools only get's paid like $50 for a couple hours. But if you had a couple friends you could all chip in and do a group session. Put an ad on craigslist or something or whatever marketplace your town has.Or get a girlfriend.
Fuck that, im a social loser. Getting a girlfriend is the most realistic one for me -_- nvm, thanks for genuine reply...i guess ill go my shelf or something...
>>7425133This is so friggin’ cute I love it
>>7422089>>7422289so this is the power of the "draw from life" posters
>>7429454>do you just draw strangers on the street Yes. Plus live models, your own body, etc
>>7430970My drawings don’t represent any “power” of draw from life posters, they’re simply a stepping stone in my journey. If you want to see the power of life drawing anons, you should actually go to the general instead of relying on two drawings from one person
>>7422008Try sculpting shapes using blobs of color as a base instead of construction. Much faster results. Better gauge of light and shadow. and then refine until content.
>artists you get advice from on /ic/Expectation:>>7423048>>7423826>>7427862Reality:>>7431410
>>7431416To be fair, that was 5 minutes. Using my non-dominant hand. The technique is sound though, basically how painters do it. Adding, refining and omitting details as you see fit. Most of the time you can get away with only detailing areas people generally focus on first, like the face and torso.
>>74314531. You're a beginner2. we're talking about drawing not painting.3. >>7431410 This is shit no matter what you say and you should know nobody should be expected to take advice from THIS.
>>7422008Unrelated question: does drawing from reference like this actually helps you learn how to draw other poses or only this pose in specific?
comm warmup
>>7431490all. the idea is that you are getting better at studying the proportions of ur subject.
my attempt
>>74220081) as /beg/ I find what that pose is hard2) I try draw it from memory (15 seconds to remember it-800 draw) and I cannot make fit hands right, so your drawing is not bat as you think.Good luck
>>7431724> pic how I do it (if you give fuck ofk)Anyway, if you know more accurate, fast or less complicated method to draw humans body - please share it with me.
>>7431731>ideal elipseAlso if you struggle with drawing elipses like me:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8sMkJXoKHAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN8vXi87bEg
going to ink it tommorow
My attempt
>>7422008nows my turn, laugh :D
i think it's beautiful that this thread started out as the usual crabbery now we've all come together and posted work
>>7430970Here’s another example of the “power” of life drawing posters, you snarky fucking cunt. Post some work next time you twiddle your fucking fingers
>>7432096two right feet
>>7432544Quick retry, and I still can't figure out feet
>>7432922It is better though.
>>7422008Sucks to be a retard I guess.
mouse and Paint
Am i going to make it? i am one month beg
>>7422008fucked up a bit here and there but good to know what to work on now.
>>7422008Gave it a shot, I suck majorly at drawing women apparently, faces are hard so I crossed it out lol
>>7434534Aside from the rough linework I think that’s really good, not sure why you would say you suck at it
>>7422351Ppstd like this always remind me that this board has the biggest retards yelling the loudest.
>>7435303This is one of the chillest boards in this site, and with actual creative contributors.
>>7435303>whiny comment with no work posted contributing nothingopinion discarded
>>7435344Here, better?
>10 page essay single spaced in 12 point font telling you how you should be drawing while sucking my own dick
>>7422011I'm far too autistic to go outside in general, do you really expect me to be comfortable with drawing strangers in public?
>>7422008Learn to draw from observation before bothering too much with construction.Here's the big issue for all beginners,Lack Of PatienceWith enough time anyone can 1to1 copy anything. It's just a matter of knowing the techniques of measuring.Also stop worrying about lines. Think like a painter. Use lines as a guide to block things in and then just adjust the edges. It comes more natural to see negative space and other shapes that way.Check this video to see how to approach copying something without relying on lines too much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H7HDALf7dg
>>7422008Maybe you are not autistic enough for art. It takes a certain amount of autism to sit in front of a paper doing lines for hours daily.
>>7435513So you're saying I should just straight up trace bodies and poses instead of drawing them shape by shape?
>>7435556Give normal advice instead of this crap, show me how to build a torso and pelvis
>>7435639Tracing usually refers to transferring things by tracing over it directly.Shapes refers to the 2D areas created by contrast contrast of colors. The silhouette of on object would be thinking about the shape.Forms is the term used for the 3D building blocks. It's like seeing an object as a wireframe in a 3D program.The most fundamental skill of drawing is learning to see as in seeing things as a series of smaller things and how they relate to eachother.This means breaking down both the wireframe into stuff like cylinders, spheres and blocks, but also breaking down a sillhouette or an area of shadow into triangles, squares and their relationship to eachother.Drawing is fundamentally more about shapes because we see and draw in 2D. You cannot draw well without knowing what is correct, so we need to to compare it to a reference. If you are able to compare the shapes of the reference to your drawing you can see why it is wrong and this is how you improve.Understanding forms is more of a guidance tool. It helps you construct things from nothing and invent things you've never seen. It also helps you pick up subtle changes in things like shadow shapes and their importance.I'd recommend you to try drawing the reference again, but this time only draw the wall behind her while being extremely careful about accuracy.Measure using divisions and subdivisions or small errors will compound into big errors.
>>7435513I rarely leave my room, let alone my house, there must be another way to understand this shit, it's about spatial reasoning and something like that
>>7435736Painting used to be very much like a trade. You went to an atelier and there was a process everyone could learn.You just need to learn the process of breaking things down in steps that are manageable.This is why Bargue plates are often recommended.They are are sorted by difficulty and just monochromatic images to copy to teach you how to measure shapes and quickly ramp up to teach you about dealing with soft edges and more complex shapes, without confusing you with color.
I rushed it too much and I'm never gonna fix it. Should have simplified it a lot more.This is as far as it goes.
>>7422008i've been drawing for about a year too op. it's fun that we both fucked up the legs hardcore (hip pivot hard)
>>7435429>>7435438Cool sperg out bro still haven’t posted any work and I bet you wouldn’t be able to redline it anyway
Two weeks has passed, it's all great, everything has improved.
>>7436123Forgot the picture!
>>7435429
>>7431410fear over making something that looks like this is why I will never touch digital art
