I've been reading his book from front to back and he promises "mad gains" if you follow his method, but I look at the examples and the "progress" seems rather underwhelmingThe only difference in pic related is that he actually bothered to draw the background
This is how he advertises his method at the beginning (which is a narrow version of master studies basically)
Yes, welcome to all art instruction. I hope you don't fucking pay for any of it.
pyw
>>7422204It wouldn't be that bad if he didn't promise so much
>>7422205I'm just evaluating his examplesThis one got progress, but after 25 rounds....One round = 3 months
>>7422198I have never found a single tutorial made by a Japanese useful at all. It's always the Chinese or Koreans that genuinely want to help you.
>>7422216>Chinese I'm thinking of that book by Xiao WeichunIt looks really good
>>7422198maybe you should try grifter-san's 1 month improvement if the 3 month improvement didn't work
>>7422215iirc one round means one round of doing artwork, comparing flaws with the artist of choice, picking the thing you're most lacking at and then repeat.If that takes you 3 months then I don't know what to say.Anyway pyw
literally all japanese art """"instructions"""" are all just copypasted from hogarth/loomis/jack hamm KEK
>>7422219One example says that he did 2.5 rounds.If he's using decimals it implies that rounds are time based.What would be a 0.5 round mean if it was one artwork?
>>7422250It means the guy asked was in the middle of a round when "interviewed".Read page 92 of the book you're seething at.pyw
>>7422219He doesn't say anything about what the 0.5 means. It's obvious that the 0.5 means one month and half.The author doesn't even bother defining what a round is, and the method is called "3 month improvement method". Obviously a round means three months.And he says you have to stick to one artist during the 3 month period (wich seems to imply further what a round is).>Page 92He says you can use your own time frame, fair. But if all the artists in the examples are using their own time frame for "rounds", then the book is misleading.
>>7422217I think that book has a video course, too. But I could be mistaken. Unfortunately Chinese is such a difficult language for machine translation.
>>7422216skill issue, 80% of anything is shit, pareto principle
>>7422268>Obviously a round means three months.it doesn't and you're either retarded or trolling. I'm not going to waste any more time with you
>>7422268He says that he dedicated several hours on weekends, which makes sense if he was referring to a three month period
>>7422198>I've been readingngmi
>>7422276Yeah anon.It's called the "three month method".He tells you to stick to one artist for 3 monthsBut there's no way, no wayyyyy that one round means three months. No way.
>>7422276Look at my ss. >>7422277The artist calls it the three month improvement method, talks about dedicating weeks to it, and uses 2.5. These three things would make sense if he counted 3 months as a round. If he used 0.5 to refer to being in the middle of a session (nobody does this) it would make no sense :DDIf he made 2 pieces and half, it wouldn't make sense to post gains. Nobody post gains after two pictures
>>7422272It's on billibilliI have the link if you're interested
Okay the book is simply badly written (unclear)There's also pseudoscience such as "low cognitive resolution"(literally something the author made up)
>>7422280>>7422283now kill yourself faggot
>>7422309Fair.The artist in the OP didn't make any progress anyway
>>7422312Your argument is akin to saying>Loomis doesn't work because this random faggot did not improve after reading himThe book is just telling people to do master studies, and stick to a particular master as to keep focused. Are you implying master studies don't work? The rest of the book is just motivation and quick tips.Your "problem" is that you don't like the guy and/or the way he presents his ideas, and that's more than fine but don't pretend otherwise
>>7422203>I want the 12 year old weeb audience
>>7422330>>7422344>>7422312Op here.I changed my mind.I simply missed a fundamental part of the book which explains what I round is.I thought that these people got their gains after months of work lol.The gains are fine since they are after making a few pictures.In fact, the 2.5 dude is fine after making 2 and half pictures.I'll leave the thread up in shame
>>7422402How do you know what I do and don't do? I've traveled the internet far and wide and paid out of pocket for a lot of contents and Japanese are just bad at teaching.Also, Mogoon is Korean.
>>7422216.That's because you only watch YouTube and hoard courses (aka paid YouTube). Mignon, hitakaku, and Yanami are all Japanese and have AMAZING books. You just haven't looked at the right place >P.d deleted the other message to fix a typo before you screech some gay "victory". Wasn't expecting you to reply to that fast.
>>7422443Don't come up with some bs excuse. You posted TWICE the same post. You had time to fix. We can all see it in the archive. I'm gonna dismiss whatever else you said. I win.
>>7422411>>7422411>>How do you know what I do and don't do?You are am average course hoarder. It isn't rocket science. And that was a typo I meant Mignon. That typo doesn't change the fact the 3 are japanese and are fantastic. And you are wrong. So instead of acting like a crab you should be grateful I pointed you to great resources. Instead of blaming the japanese for your failures. But we all know you are just going to keep hoarding and blame others instead of drawing.>Inb4 you try to memory hole those 3 amazing japanese teachers.
>>7422446I love how assblasted you are that I proved you wrong so you have to reach super hard with a typic.. You won being a permabeg. Enjoy!Keep screeching your autistic delusional victory. Everyone else can see you are wrong and that's enough for me. I named 3 amazing japanese teachers.
>>7422460good artist != good teachersstay seething while I have accepted the Chinese and Korean alliance
>>7422463>Permabeg think I care he is shit at drawing.LMAO. I am not your mom dude. Be my guest. I proved you wrong only to help others so they don't get crabbed by you. All yopu got for you is a typo that I admitted.
>>7422463>>7422469 Oh and for the record Hitokaku, Yanami and Mignor are also top tier teahers. Hell Hitokaku has been compared to loomis on this board alot. And they are japanese. But hey keep larping as a south korean. You'll surely get korean asian jeans that way.,
>>7422474Thanks for the recs>>7422463What Chinese and Korean teachers do you suggest learning from?>>7422217Name of book?
>>7422469>I proved you wrong only to help others so they don't get crabbed by youSorry, not sorry. Japan lost. They hardly make good games anymore, getting beat by glorious China. Webtoon will surpass manga by 2030. Youtube animation from Korea is rising. More and more animation talent from the east is being sucked up into Netflix's palm.It's over. I hope your resolution is to learn Hangul and or Mandarin. >Hell Hitokaku Nobody actually draws a head using that shogi chip method. You know this, I know this. And you'd be lying otherwise. Keep recommending things you don't use.>>7422480Kim Rock He and Ten Ten for starters.
>>7422488You are moving the goalpoast. We were talking good lerning materials. Their internal wars are irrelevant. And pointless because just depends on what whats popular. Gatcha slop is ahead atm . Again those 3 I mentioned are amazing japanese teachers. >Nobody actually draws a head using that shogi chip methodbro...You gotta be kidding. 90% of cute anime heads can be drawn with that method becuase it perfectly summarizes the jaw in every angle. I would concede you had a point if you meant the super complec way he draws the top of the head or his upper stiff body drawing method. But the shogi peice advice is pure gold.hell I still use the shogi piece to this day.
>>7422510Whats the shogi piece method?
>>7422510>But the shogi peice advice is pure gold.hell I still use the shogi piece to this day.An overtly complex way to draw 1 type of facial structure as not every face is a shogi piece. If you enjoy drawing a variety of things (including face types), it's worthless imo.
>>7422517>I can't learn math because I only learned 1+1, I am completely lost now that it's 1+2I almost feel bad for you zoomers, then I remember how annoying you all are and I go back to hating again.
>>7422530I'm not a zoomzoom. I don't think a zoomer would post old school SF art.
>>7422517Dude most of those faces can easily be drawn with the shogi piece. Easily. That's true for all the femalea. You might have a point if you had used capeshit or Carl arts. You have a slight point with 3 of the makes. But even then you can just adapt and make a thicker chin. No big deal.
>>7422488Btw this anime girl you posted here can easily and effectively he drawn with that shogi piece method. Hitokaku does have flaws but you are nitpicking one of his best advice. If you had told me he makes the top of the head overtly complex or his stiff body method you might have a point. But dismissing the shogi piece method is just being a crab
>>7422608you forgot to attach an image to your post demonstrating your claims
>>7422512Seconding this, I'm curious
>>7422216Because it all boils down to: anatomy book, perspective book and setteis>Pic related is a settei
>>7423196The fuck? I don't remember this girl from that anime.
>>7423197oh maybe it's her
>>7422198Try hide channel https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
>>7422198Lol. Skill issue
>>7423220NTA but where do you start learning with hide? Everything is in Japanese and the playlists seem random. Do I start with picrel?
>>7422198How to improve the book>I've been reading>I've been not drawing>Gimme a book that will make me pro after reading it but not after practicing it!!!!OP is a subhuman
>>7422284NTA but I'm interested
>>7423266Most of his recent videos have English closed captions, I think. Look up on his playlist. That video you posted is in Croquis playlist. Since he is an animator, his approach might be different from Naoki Saito (an illustrator). I like hide more since the way he constructs his drawings is very useful for every situation (animator, mangaka, illustrator). Face construction:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2LioTVVf-0&list=PLTY4AtphBe8Oq5Oaa7inP2_cvtmoEBG7Zhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Cyamovg-I&list=PLTY4AtphBe8OMHM31AF7Iv0USixSgT57RWhole body construction:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZSHsresEiQ&list=PLTY4AtphBe8P3zIOlyr7gEt176af-pp5RCroquis:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzkRVN9qZk&list=PLTY4AtphBe8NS7WFIMIhHIBJVk3xQvi-qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdCZDL9NPwY&list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9vBeginner/General series:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_juHFvQLQ&list=PLTY4AtphBe8OGG3zEMUYZ_K41t2B3Wy42https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcFxzSOUHtQ&list=PLTY4AtphBe8N0WplzFrvdWPDYndhrAJIj
>>7422198>>7422277How can you even compare these pieces? In the "after" pic of >>7422277 the figures are cropped closely so most of the figure is not even drawn. The author seems to measure progress by how much rendering and how many fancy lighting effects and details are crammed into a work (which, to be fair, is also how much of /ic/ thinks). This has nothing to do with drawing.Ask a beginner to draw a full standing nude figure from imagination. Then, after a period of study and training, have him draw the same thing. You can judge the gains or lack thereof.If it's a matter of "illustration" versus "drawing," then the before and after should at least be illustrating the same idea or concept, so a different pose or expression or cropping can at least be justified as an attempt to better convey said idea or concept.
>>7423422Why do nip videos always have to spend 3 minutes of an 8 minute video telling people what it's going to be about and asking them to watch to the end?
>>7423435Unlike western youtubers who get a lot of sponsorship deals, they rely on watch retention or whatever metrics youtube is using to calculate their monthly revenue.
>>7423278I changed my mind okay? ;_;>>7423427That's honestly what I don't understand. I admit I made a mistake by thinking that the rounds were 3 month long. But the examples he picked of "massive" progress don't make any sense at all...
>>7423400>>7422480http://www.bilibili.com/video/av84046557
>>7423220Thanks
>>7423427>How can you even compare these pieces?As in "one picture looks better than the other"Don't overcomplicate things lmfao
>>7423471my ISP blocks chinkoid propaganda. Got a youtube link?Also hide speaks Chinese?
>>7423266here
>>7423620You think that "After 5 rounds" pic of >>7422198 with the giant hand looks better than the other two? Admit that you're just easily impressed by bright colors and fireworks.
>>7423636>Admit that you're just easily impressed by bright colors and fireworks.bright colors and fireworks are cool but I don't get what your non sequitur has to do with the discussion. I'll just assume you're retarded
>>7422198>The only differencelow cognitive resolution, bro.
@7423636yes it does. I personally like pic 2 but the improvement in his skill is noticeable. also you're missing that the definition of good includes closeness to the artist he's copying and displaying a deeper understanding of that style.westerners often think that if there is no universal formula to decide which image is better in all cases then they all must be roughly the same (a coping mechanism to undermine objective beauty and make tumblr cartoon slop/korean/chinese imitations appear to be on the level of quality of anime)
>>7423636>Admit that you're just easily impressed by bright colors and fireworks.Why yes, how could you tell?
>>7422198Tl;dr of the book. Copy your favorite artist to learn their tricks aka master studies. There saved you hours of your time,
>>7423422>>7423634Thanks!
>>7423859This is another problem with his book.That's just a pseudoscientific term he made up.
>>7423870>muh westernIt's not a west VS east threadBad things are badIf I think a random jap's book sucks, it's not because muh west
>>7423993It's accurate though
>>7423993kek, why do westoids think every metaphor/analogy is supposed to be le soience? why do they not seem to understand that English is not the original language of the book and they're reading a translation?it's a word that perfectly describes an existing concept you find in artists of lower skill levels. in this case it perfectly describes OP's inability to perceive existing differences.>made upI thought westoid linguistic philosophy already taught us that everything is le made up?
This is the only good comparisonSo.... much improvementI kneel.... Keep in mind that the autor picked these "glowups" so he absolutely thinks that's the kind of "progress" you can expect from his method>>7423997Made up concept to shut up critics. Classic. >I don't see any improvement <y-y-you have low penis resolution!!!!
>>7423996>Bad things are badYes, and sometimes entire schools of art are bad and westerners fail to see this because they can't derive a formula that will tell them which ones are better or worse.
>>7424000>why do westoidsNot a west/east thread again. It's about one book in specific being bad>why do they not seem to understand that English is not the original language of the book and they're reading a translation?It's still made up.>it's a word that perfectly describes an existing concept you find in artists of lower skill levels. in this case it perfectly describes OP's inability to perceive existing differences.It's something he invented to shut up critics>I thought westoid linguistic philosophy already taught us that everything is le made up?There are competing theories in academia.
@7424001>Made up conceptDraw more and you'll notice it in yourself. Things you didn't pay attention to become more clear as you refine your eye and you see the nuance in things you thought were the same.
>>7424001See >>7424000You hate the term because although it's ephemeral, it applies to you and you can't understand why, because you're autistic. If you can't see the dramatic improvements in your picrel then you have low cognitive resolution
@7424004>>made up.What are examples of non-made up words? Those approved by le WEF?>>It's something he invented to shut up criticsSource?
>>7424002Again, I don't care about your hang ups about "westerners" (Americans really).>L-leave grifter-san alone!!!
>>7424008All non-Japanese contemporary art is generally bad.
>>7424005Thats just called paying attention.>>7424006I hate the term because his fans are using it as a gotcha to anyone who doesn't see any progress in the examples.I don't have "low cognitive resolution", because it's a concept that doesn't exist.>>7424007It's a concept. He's making up a concept.It's like me creating a disease called ligma
>>7424006Yeah the Japanese term conveys this better but anyone without an agenda should be able to understand the concept even with the bad translation of the book.>認識>recognition; awareness; perception; understanding; knowledge; cognition; cognizance; cognisanceIt's about the depth to which you recognize things in an illustration. Clearly anyone who draws has first-hand experience in this.
@7424014>He's making up a concept.What are some non-made up concepts? Is there a list of WEF-approved concepts I'm allowed to use?
>>7424011Still irrelevant to the topic at hand.
>>7424018>Still irrelevantStill more relevant than cartoon cal-arts slop or Korean pseudoanime.
>>7424014You're right anon. There really is no difference in those examples. The method was a grifter scam after all, huh... I'll stick to based Proko.
>>7424015It's just paying attention, that is. It's not a "condition" as he would make you believe. Same reason you notice some things in your environment I'd you slow down and pay attention>>7424016You can use any concept you want.For example I have low leg resolution, eich means I can't jump really high tee heee
>>7424014Alright, call it low aesthetic appreciation resolution. Does that jive better with your autistic little brain?
>>7424024So now it's a real concept which he's using a different name and description for? top kek
>>7424021Never mentioned those things in this thread.
>>7424027But the way of thought that spawned them is the exact same as yours.
>>7424014It IS a concept, you just can't comprehend it, like most autistics with anything that can't be rendered into concrete, descriptive language.
Westoids truly are amazing. Everything exists for them to learn but they'll do any level of mental gymnastics to appear smarter.
@7424024>It's not a "condition">analogy is equivalent to inventing diseases
>>7424025Why couldn't he just tell them to draw the same picture before and after to have a proper comparison? Only one of the artists did this. And the change is... ehAgain, it's simply called paying attention, kg you pain attention to x or y youll notice more things. It's not a "condition" that can only be improved trhough grifter-san's method
>>7424028>But the way of thought that spawned them is the exact same as yours.<I think this book is bad>Steven universe pops into existence
>>7424005>>7424007>>7424016>>7424031>@-ing people to quoteJesus Christ how fucking new are you
>>7424029I already explained, you pay attention to something and you see more thingsIt's like going to a museum and looking closely at the brushwork.>>7424030For the 4th time, it's not about muh west, it's about a specific book
>>7424035its pretty obvious he's just avoiding giving a (you) to that other anon
@7424032>it's simply called paying attentionOkay anon, you have the condition of not being able to pay attention. Does this make you feel better or change the truth?
>>7424037>>7424032I would feel sad if this condition wasn't entirely your bad faith choice.
>>7424026You don't have low CR or high CRPaying attention is an activity not something you have. The thing he describes doesn't exist.Let me repeat it:He describes a "condition" that some people have that doesn't allow them to see differences. This condition can be improved if you use grifter-san's method.Paying attention is simply an activity, not something you have. So yes, his concept is non existent.
>>7424037>t's not about muh west,But you're using western metrics to say why it's bad. It's precisely an east vs west issue since you bring up "pseudoscience" and a reductive way of reading texts.
>>7424042>Paying attention is an activity not something you have.Aristotle-sensei already refuted this. It's both an activity you do and a capacity for the action. The capacity for this action increases with experience in drawing.
Op hereN-N-Naoki SamaMy cognitive resolution has been improved by 100%Now I-i see your greatnessPlease forgive me for my sins oh great Naoki
>>7424043>It's precisely an east vs west issue since you bring up "pseudoscienceBoy what a stretchSo you look for any excuse to sperg out about westernersNaoki-sama ain't sending his best
>>7424048+1 to won arguments.I'll take it.
>>7424052>>Boy what a stretchIs it really? You don't even consider that a book written in a different language might have different intention and context behind its choice of words. It's the westoid "we are better" worldview at its finest mixed with a healthy dose of autism and arguing over the definitions of words.
I honestly admire this man holy shit. I've never seen such a perfect method of gaslighting>Sensei, ive followed your 3 month improvement method and have not improved any bit.<my child, you have improved, you just can't see it because you have low cognitive resolution>Holy shit you're right senseiThis man is a genius
>>7424032>Why couldn't he just tell them to draw the same picture before and after to have a proper comparison?What if the old picture has glaring composition flaws? What if the guy drawing simply doesn't want to draw that character anymore? You'd be limiting them by asking them to do that.
>>7424053I don't even know wich one of the "muh westoids" schizos are you dude.But if you're so interested in "winning" an online debate, you know what would be an absolute win?Posting your progress after going through Naoki-Sama's method
>>7423960Why would someone seethe at being told to do master studies. At least to the point of making this thread?
>>7424062But you wouldn't be able to see it because of your low CR stats so it would be a waste of time. I'll discuss it with my high CR bros instead.
>>7424054>you brought up western assumptions>ergo it means you like calarts and Steven Universe
>>7424061>You'd be limiting them by asking them to do that.This would be part of the Japanese politeness mindset so it makes sense. I believe your interpretation more.
>>7424065What is calarts but western assumptions followed to the logical conclusion?
>>7424063Oh he has a very specific version of master studies>study one artist at a timeOther artists such a James Gurney recommend studying several artists at the same timeSo there's a clash already there...>Try to mimic such artist while making your own workOther artists suggest modifying the style of your master to your own tasteSo it's a very specific type of master study
>>7424069>James GurneyHow many anime illustrations has he drawn?
>>7424064Oh right j forgot lmaoI just realized that his book doesn't make sense due to my low CR, I need to reroll
>>7424071Rerolling isn't necessary. You need to remove the "westoid" curse debuff, otherwise CR will not rise.
>>7424068>I think, therefore I draw Steven universe-Descartes>Virtue is the habit of drawing bean heads-AristotleIt seems you want to shoehorn shit about westoids into the conversation as a gotcha
@7424069>>Other artists suggest modifying the style of your master to your own tastet. hasn't even read the book
>>7424069James doesn't draw anime. Also he's only saying to do master studies for a few rounds to keep focused. Most people start jumping from artist to artist without learning anything. Only James' advice seems to assume people know what to do, Naomi's advise assume people are retarded. >Other artists suggest modifying the style of your master to your own tasteSo did this one, by the end of the book, the book you're are adamantly seething about but did not bothered to read.Read it, find another term you disagree with because you're reading a crappy translation and keep this thread alive
His method is unfalsifiable thanks to that shit abou CR, that's textbook definition of a pseudoscience.>I didn't make progress sensei<you made progress, just gotta turn up that CR.Lmao
>>7424077You already got ignored here >>7424060
>>7424077>>7424078What did Naoki do to hurt you?
>>7424076>Most people start jumping from artist to artist without learning anything.case in point >>7385628also perfect example of low CR
>>7424076>So did this one, by the end of the book, the book you're are adamantly seething about but did not bothered to read.You are supposed to mimic as close as possible the style of your chosen artist in each round, thats what I was talking about.I used James because hes an actual good teacher on his area (color)
>pseudoscience>Pseudoscience is a term for claims that are presented as scientific but are incompatible with the scientific method.>presented as scientific
>>7424078>ignoredFag, you're in my thread
>>7424080His fans are the rabid ones, not me, nope.
>>7424090You seem to be ascribing such malice to his intent I can't help but think he did something to you personally.
>>7424082Low CR is not a thing holy shit
>>7424084>I used James because hes an actual good teacher on his area (color)Pyw
>>7424093Because there's no way to prove whether his method works or not.If someone doesn't improve at all his fans will just tell you you have low cognitive resolution and call it a day :|
>>7424093He ignored my submission. Replied with a>I can't fix her
>>7424098The method is just master studies, holy shit. It works.The book is just telling you to pay attention and not be a retard
>>7424098This. Just choose artists you like and mix and match elements of their styles to make your own style. It's gonna work bros. CR is a myth.
>>7424105If you read the book he says that his method is like a drug that will make you improve faster than anyone else and blah blahThat's what bothers me. If it was just about doing master studies, that would be fine, but he advertises it like it's a magic pill or whateverAnd then you see the examples of "progress'" and its lame as he'llAgain, it doesn't help that his fans make strawman about "westoids" (because disliking one Japanese artist means disliking all Japan apparently) and telling you that you have low Cr or whatever come on
Holy shit you people are stupid
>>7424112>That's what bothers me.The say that and be done with it. You're looking for any "logical" excuse to dislike it. Just say you don't like how he presents what is nothing more than "do master studies"It may be logical to us in an art critique board but most people don't know how to learn. Most people don't know what a master study is either.
>>7424105And I'm gonna clarify everything My main point was that he promises way to much in a way that can deceive naive people. But when you see the examples of "progress" the progress was rather underwhelming.Then I committed a mistake, I admit, by thinking that a round lasted 3 months.Then his fans started accusing me of having "low cognitive resolution" for thinking that the OP improved very little (at least he draws backgrounds, everything notice how all the backgrounds are blurry?). And this is the main problem, his method basically can't fail because he or his fans can cop out by saying some shit a out CR.Keep in mind that any of them could prove me wrong by posting their progress through his method.That's all
>>7424118Yes I don't like how he presents master studies as if it is something he came up with or whatever, and the overhyped beginnign
>>7424119t. low CRCome back after doing some rounds, kid.
>>7424126Let's see you art after a few rounds then :0
>>7424119>Keep in mind that any of them could prove me wrong by posting their progress through his method.Isn't his progress enough for you?
>>7424128Why would I post my art in a low CR debuffed thread? There's better places to discuss anime art.
>>7424130He's a good artistAnd a good drifter>>7424138Post it in ASG :)
>>7424146>ASGI'll avoid it since you'll be monitoring it. Maybe when you leave and the average weekly CR level of this board rises I'll post it.
>>7424154Again, CR is a bullshit conceptYou've been mindfucked by Naoki-sama
>>7424157I can see the CR of every poster on /ic/. Yours is the lowest right now in this thread.
Why tf are you anons talking about combat rating
>>7424221our life is like a video game
>>7424235So that's what those game bros coaches are talking about when they say "gamify your learning", I get it now.CR must be how hard your art goes then.... How tf do you measure it?
>>7424160>>7424238We unironically need a panopticon system that monitors every poster's CR. Will Naoki-sama help us research?
>>7424038>heCarrying on a wholeass conversation while pretending to be above engaging somebody is pure female behavior.
>>7424130saito's been drawing for decades, he didn't use any of his snake oil himself
>>7424357>he's been farming CR himself but doesn't reveal his methodsThat Saito... Bros we need some way to deal with him.
>>7423422based list. any channels for animation in particular?
>>7422207I'm planning to read my pirated copy of his e-book I got here few years ago but now It seems like he was selling it like a crypto nft scammer
>>7424451What are we going to do bros? We need a plan. Saito can't keep getting away with it.
>>7424428JapaneseHide channel Anime Shijuku (Yasuo Muroi - Animator)https://www.youtube.com/@animesijyukuStudio Gosso (Shota Goshozono - Anime Director/Animator)https://www.youtube.com/@gossostudio6903Desuran (Keisuke Kojima - Anime Director/Animator)Masaaki Iwane (Pokemon animator)https://www.youtube.com/@animatorRyo Timo (Director/Animator)https://www.youtube.com/@RyotimoEnglish Speaking AnimatorDong Changhttps://www.youtube.com/@DongChangSakuga Foundry (Formerly Tonari Animation, used to be good and have a lot of content, but the CEO is too much of an asshat and created a lot of drama)https://www.youtube.com/@SakugaFoundry/streamsYen BM (Chris)https://www.youtube.com/@yen_bmGuzzu (Ida Bagus Yoga - animator)https://www.youtube.com/@guzzuanim/videosThere are a lot foreign animators in Anime industry nowadays, you could probably find them on youtube through some keywords like sakuga practice.
>>7424451>like a crypto NFT scammerHe's a literal NFT brohttps://opensea.io/collection/megaminftThat's him. Use that information as you will...
>>7422198His book is basically master studies with extra steps.
>>7422216I'd agree with you until yesterday. I came across a Japanese art anatomy teacher that teach rookie Japanese animators and he's a video course on Coloso.He's got drawing books too (picrel) and he's a Renaissance type artist despite being Japanese.
>>7424683You would also have been wrong because yanami, mignon, and Hitokaku exist so….With that one we git at least 4 good japanese art teachers.
>>7424683Have you seen his Coloso course? He's drawing on top of photos and Coloso provides you those PDFs BUT it's already pre-drawn in. It's practically pointless. He's basically just a Japanese Rey Bustos.
>>7424660What are the extra steps?
>>7424683>I can only learn from le Japanese art teachers! Japan is superior to the west!>Buys Japanese book>It's filled with photos of western European sculptures and anatomical plates>I can't read it without using Google Translate>tfw
>>7425012nips are already steeped in animu and need to balance it out with some classics.westoids are steeped in the gortesque and need both animu and the classics, so obviously this is the best solution.
>>7425012>western European sculptures >Renaissance type artistThat honestly might as well be another form of anime based on how far it is from the contemporary westoid mindset.
>>7422216>It's always the Chinese or KoreansBut most of them draw pseudoanime so it's irrelevant.
>>7423996east vs bad then, other than anatomy and perspective books the west has literally, absolutely NOTHING
>>7425406This. And when Japanese use them it's not some ep1c w1n for the west because the Japanese don't adopt all the baggage that comes with those books because their default mindset is much better for creating art.
>>7425282The art used in Chinese mobage, 2D and 3D, outshines anything in modern Japanese anime games by several magnitudes. Japan has been beaten by their own medium.
>>7425412>their default mindsetWhat's that?
>>7425415>outshines anythingBy what metric?
>>7425418Revenue, playerbase, and industry trends.
>>7425416Creating art that looks good. All the "rules" are subservient to aesthetics and other goals of the art.
>>7425420Okay. Kek.
>>7425421This. All the fundies and exercises in the world are meaningless if you can't produce something that just looks GOOD
>>7425423that anon is right though, look at how japs go crazy for genshin impact and blue archive. theyre the top spenders. while i still think japanese teachers are the best to learn from you don’t have to be willfully ignorant
>>7425455>art that mimics Japanese art is somehow an argument against most Chinese and Koreans drawing pseudoanimeAnon...
>>7425457did you miss reading genshin?
>>7425458I don't even know what you're talking about now, but the existence of some Chinese/Koreans/Americans that mimic Japanese art well will never change the fact that most of them draw pseudoanime (like the Korean or whatever teachers mentioned above). This is slowly changing due to the influence of Japanese art on the world and more people are learning the legitimate way to draw anime.If you can't see the difference between the pseudoanime styles of Korean/Chinese/American origin and the real thing from Japan then it's not worth a discussion.
>>7425416Westroons forgot that the purpose of art is to make beautiful things. They have been castrated, corrupted and cucked. They try to control what you can draw, how and why. Evil promotes ugliness, evil/broken people harm themselves and try to destroy any beauty that others create.
>>7425421>>7425416today, i will remind them
>>7422198The problem with his advice is Naoki Saito went to art school and was a professional illustrator/painter before he started drawing cute girls. He basically advocates master study, in a sense you learn and emulate your favorite artist's art style. His starting point and a beginner's starting point are very very different. There's a huge gap there. Of course, even if you're a beginner who can't draw a reasonable-looking ellipses, you'll still learn something following Naoki Saito's method. You just won't get to that professional quality art in 3 months. Perhaps if you have access to a good community. But there's no such thing any more online or offline.
>>7425571I'd watch an anime about the battle of these ideals.
>>7425578I think any general enough method that isn't the very basics will have this. Different people will necessarily have different starting points and aptitudes but the general path still remains the same for all.If we consider authentic anime results as the ultimate goal, those who went to Western art school will have a much easier time than someone who never picked up a pencil only if they are willing to drop all of their preconceived notions (already a miracle). I think many people might genuinely be unrecoverable and unsuitable for anime because of the subversion >>7425561 talks about.
>>7425463>If you can't see the difference between the pseudoanime styles of Korean/Chinese/American origin and the real thing from Japan then it's not worth a discussion.laol laomJapanese game art
>>7425671Chinese game art
>>7425672Japanese in game battle for mobile game
>>7425673Chinese in game battle for mobile game.It's over for Nippon. As you said, the world is learning how to draw authentic anime now thanks to the abundance of anime resources coming out from KOREA and China of all places.
>>7425671>>7425672>>7425673>>7425676so the low CR thing was true after all?is the condition curable?
>>7425676Also, the way we consume anime is different than 10-15 years ago. We're now getting short form anime video content because the younger demographic can't sit through a full 23 minute anime episode. Then there are Vtumors that fulfill the appetite of a lot of people who want that parasocial relationship but with a dose of anime. Anime as a medium and how we consume it is changing.
>>7425681>we
>>7425682Revenue, playerbase, and industry trends.>>7425680There is no cure. Japan is losing ground.
>>7425676>thanks to the abundance of anime resources coming out from KOREAIt's over for low CR zoomers who will never learn to draw anime because they want to invent endless coping mechanisms instead of seeing reality as it is. Koreans will be fine and will learn. Japanese will continue to develop anime artstyles. But westoids are in a scary position.
>>7425685Thank you western low CR anon. Japan has been defeated. I will learn from Korean master now.
>>7425685>>7425681>>7425671t. self-hating irony weeb
>>7425686>But westoids are in a scary position.>Hey Watanabe, wanna work at Netflix animation studios in the west? We pay a living wage.>>7425689I'm just a realist.
>>7425578>But there's no such thing any more online or offline.You mean in English? Yeah it seems like a completely lost cause, there's just too many factors working against anyone who wants to draw anime. It's the same in my native language but surely there must be something in Japanese.
>>7425691>muh money>muh corporationThis is why you're a self-hating irony weeb who doesn't love anime.
>>7425693>This is why you're a self-hating irony weeb who doesn't love anime.I've watched more anime than everyone ITT combined.
>>7425691I'm talking about art, westoids are in a position where it's almost impossible for them to learn as a group. Your mentality in particular is a great example too.
>>7425694That doesn't make you not an irony weeb. You don't see the true power of anime.
>>7425698>You don't see the true power of anime.I said "Revenue, playerbase, and industry trends" at least three different times. I'm fully aware of the "power" anime has...at least Greg Peters knows.If you're talking about on an emotional level, this is not the place to talk about that. >>7425697>Your mentality in particular is a great example too.No, you're just trying to lowkey tear (me) down as an American. That is not my mentality, I'm simply stating a living example of Japanese talent being poached for western interests.
>>7425701>I'm fully aware of the "power" anime hasNo you're not, you're just another western irony weeb. It's nothing new. Your loyalty lies elsewhere but not with anime art.
>>7425701>Japanese talent being poached for western interests.You ARE the western interest you just serve a different role in their forces (PSYOP division).
>>7425702>Your loyalty Bro, what loyalty? Getting back to the tutorial shit, do you see an abundance of anime focused courses within the last 5 years from Japanese people for western consumers or is it from the Koreans and Chinese and westerners who pass the smell test? You have to choke the neck of a Jap just to get some sort of information on their authentic process. You had >>7422452 this anon have to dumpster dive for only 4 teachers whereas there are plenty of good sources outside of Japan. It shouldn't have to be this way if they're the powerhouse of the medium.All while getting beat in every corner but 2D animation, also within the last 5 years. This decade is where we will finally see a shift. And I'm not even going to talk about how Japan themselves keep shooting their own feet with their own decisions as this is not the thread (or board) for that.
>>7425705Thank you for confirming my suspicions, irony weeb PSYOP-kun.
>>7425710What do I win for proving I'm a bigger weeb than you? An internet cookie?
Ah yes, this old tale.vtumors and your video games will die faster than authentic anime art.
>>7425712It's been 9 years since Kizuna AI and the space is still here and growing while the gacha space is pulling in more money than triple A titles. I know you don't want to admit and I, too, want to defend Japan (as much as you'll come back and call me an ironic) but this is the reality of the industry. The word "authenticity" is weakening when more than 2 countries can produce a better product with the medium.Take some time to cope. I'm done talking to you for the morning.
>>7425705>for western consumerstop kek. wouldn't want to be an eop in 2024.>It shouldn't have to be this waykoreans, most of whom can't draw anime, cater more to westoids so Japan is le bad? man, the copes are getting more pathetic. but I guess it doesn't mater, it all looks the same bros.>>7422488>Kim Rock He and Ten TenHA ha hah aha ha ha this is the example of great anime teachers outside of Japan you guys are talking about? westoids are absolutely cooked.
>>7425715>I, too, want to defend JapanYour PSYOP doesn't work on me. You're an irony weeb through and through who fails to see the power of anime. I don't know the reasons that lead you down this path but I hope it's not too late for you to turn back. You don't have to settle for mediocrity. You don't have to try to raise yourself up by belittling the thing you once genuinely loved.
>>7422452That doesn't count anon. Because you have based teachers likehttps://www.youtube.com/@LinesSenseihttps://www.youtube.com/@Pharmarr-m2vteaching us how to draw a product indistinguishable from the Japs.You literally cannot tell the difference. Buy their courses.
>>7424510Arigatou anon.
>>7424510based. any good books for animation?
>>7422198Because this is (you).
>>7425717>You don't have to settle for mediocrity.>I LOVE ANIME MORE THAN YOOOOOU>NO, I LOVE ANIME MORE THAN YOU!!>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH *sparks fly*
>>7426098Meanwhile>Takana Watanabe: Thank you for contributing to Japanese economy. Hai.
>>7426098>I LOVE ANIME>I'm fully aware of the "power" anime has.Pick one and only one.
>>7426103Do you draw or only shitpost
>>7426099>he still thinks he isn't the enemy of animeI hope you are at least aware deep down that you're fighting (((their))) battle on their side. Does your behaviour look like that of one whose home country is being attacked and he's fighting for it until the last drop of his blood or of one who is helping the attacker secure more footing?
>>7425715>gacha space is pulling in more money than triple A titles.what does this have to do with art? A manga that hardly sells could be better than Kimetsu no Yaiba, how much money they make is irrelevant. So do games>he word "authenticity" is weakening when more than 2 countries can produce a better product with the mediumare you somehow implying Korea and China are more authentic?fucking retard
>>7426117He can't even see the differences between Korean/chinese styles and anime anon. Lost cause.
>>7426117>>7425712Japs made vtubers and are the primary creators and audience. I don’t see why you’re calling them inauthentic
>>7426103>I love anime more than you. You're just a poser!! Okay??!?>NO THATS NOT TRUE! I may not like America but I will gladly throw my life away for Japan in WW3 if it means I can see the smiles of young Japanese children reign on for 1000 more yearsWhat is it that you want from me? Blog story hour about my interest in anime? This isn't /a/ you fucking idiot.>>7426117>are you somehow implying Korea and China are more authentic?It's the same shit. We already had Dal Young's Manhwa adapted by Sunrise in the early 2000s by Japanese. It passed the test. Your meaning of "authentic" is rooted in racism, so let's not go there.
>>7426125>I don’t see why you’re calling them inauthenticI'm saying they will die faster than authentic anime art as a whole.
>>7426134>What is it that you want from me?Nothing. My goal has already been achieved when you showed your irony weeb hand. All the people that know already know.
>>7426138>>7426111
>>7426134>It's the same shit.oh no no no no no no no no no
>>7426138>My goal has already been achieved when you showed your irony weeb handAs I said, I watched more anime than all of you ITT combined and then some. It's even more cringe I have to say this all while feeling insulted by you calling me an ironic when it means a lot to me. We're talking about tutorials first and foremost. I'm trying to steer the convo back to this but you keep taking stabs at my "loyalty" whatever that means.
>>7426145fuck off idiot
>>7426147I just gave you an example. Freezing is korean. It's authentic in the sense that it checked all the boxes.
>>7426146>insulted by you calling me an ironic How are you not when you diminish the value of anime art for personal gain of appearing cool and can't see its true glory? And if you're serving the enemy unknowingly it's even more miserable.
>>7426146>We're talking about tutorials first and foremost.Also tutorials are about art styles. It doesn't matter that some Korean can draw legitimate anime when your tutorials teach inauthentic imitations. Is this really the hill worth dying on? Why do you so desperately try to find reasons to disparage Japanese art? I'm genuinely interested in what leads self-proclaimed lovers of anime to this state of mind. Is this not a form of ironic self-hatred?
>>7426146>We're talking about tutorials first and foremost.>Revenue, playerbase, and industry trends> 2 countries can produce a better product with the medium>Japanese economy>gacha space is pulling in more money>All while getting beat in every corner>This decade is where we will finally see a shift.>It shouldn't have to be this way if they're the powerhouse of the medium.It's clear you give more weight to denigrating Japan using le industry metrics than to appreciating the art. Just say so and make your loyalty clear anon.
>>7426162fucking exposed >>7426146
>>7425705>This decade is where we will finally see a shift.
>>7426163>watched more animeIt's worthless if he didn't learn anything from the life lessons anime constantly teaches us about.
>>7426157> It doesn't matter that some Korean can draw legitimate anime when your tutorials teach inauthentic imitationsAs I said, your definition of authenticity is rooted in racism. I already mentioned long before we had shows like Tower of God and Solo Leveling, legitimate Japanese studio dabbled with Korean IP. Their talent rivaled what was on the market back then. Now present day Japan is open more and more to foreign talent outside of Asia. It's not about the DNA of the person who drew some random Love Live character--Japanese art has become an industry standard in animation and games in Asia. Fundamentals of anime can be taught and understood by a Korean and Chinese if their work is good enough to land roles in said industry. As for my outburst against Japan--that's me being angry that Japanese people gatekeep and withhold these industry standards. I shouldn't have to go to a Korean to learn them when, like I said before, they're the powerhouse of (mostly) everything. It's hard to find info from Japan but it's increasingly more easy from non-Japanese with vetted experience. And no /ic/ idiot is going to tell me that someone who actually worked on seasonal shows is "not authentic" because they're not walking on the soil of nagoya.
>>7425705>from Japanese people for western consumers>gatekeep and withhold these industry standards.Gatekeeping is a good thing.
>>7426173But I want to be in the anime industry.
>30 walls of text>No work postedDo any of you draw
>>7426171>As for my outburst against Japan--that's me being angry that Japanese people gatekeep and withhold these industry standards. I shouldn't have to go to a Korean to learn them when, like I said before, they're the powerhouse of (mostly) everything. It's hard to find info from Japan but it's increasingly more easy from non-Japanese with vetted experienceskill issue
>>7426171>As I said, your definition of authenticity is rooted in racism.My definition of authenticity is rooted in artstyle. The tutorials you fight for and mentioned above teach unauthentic styles. The fact that Koreans exist who can draw anime for Japanese studios doesn't change this fact. >it's hard to find info from JapanSkill issue.>>7426174Then why are you trying to attack it? Do you want to be like the annoying western 20yo twitter bros who criticize industry veterans?
>>7426138>irony weeblet me guess, you are from /a/, you know you can have these "discussions" there, right?
>>7426180No, I don't use /a/. These discussions are more important than /a/ because they focus on defending the core of our beloved art.
>>7426184>our art>no work posted ?
>>7426178>The fact that Koreans exist who can draw anime for Japanese studios doesn't change this fact.Okay, you're a moron. They got anime adaptions, you have nothing. This is not even a cope at this point this is just you flat out being racist just because. That or you're underage.>The tutorials you fight for and mentioned above teach unauthentic styles.That's also wrong. Name in the credits. A resume with a backing of properties these artists worked on--legit Japanese intellectual property.What does /ic/ fag, the same fagloni who is devaluing my devotion to anime, have? Hot takes on an art board. And they're not even hot, they're lukewarm.
>>7426184>defending the core of our beloved art>looks inside>no true japanese
>>7426186>Name in the credits>ah Park-san thank you for the coffee. Finish the inbetweens before 4:00 am tomorrow, I don't care if you don't get to sleep today again
>>7426186>le racismYou have to go back.>Name in the credits.Which name and which tutorial? Can you link to it? The "teachers" mentioned by name earlier in the thread when anon was listing Japanese teachers in response aren't an example of authentic anime. Nobody is disputing that some Koreans and Westerners can draw actual anime. I'm only disputing this attack on Japan being bad.>who is devaluing my devotion to animeAnon you're doing it yourself in almost every post by criticizing Japan using your weird western metrics of them not catering to you.
>>7426187>>no true japaneseIt's a Japanese artstyle with Japanese origin and most high skilled people being Japanese. As long as authenticity is maintained people from various nations can learn the joy of anime. We should thank the Japanese for this, not attack them because of our own inadequacy in learning.
>>7426189?There are tons of Americans who work as key animators and directors on popular anime.
>>7426194>tonsname 20
>>7426192>I'm only disputing this attack on Japan being bad.>>7426171>As for my outburst against Japan--that's me being angry that Japanese people gatekeep and withhold these industry standards. I shouldn't have to go to a Korean to learn...That's all. And if I want to shit on their half-assed cash grab games I can, Japanese or not. That should not lower my "weeb social credit score" in any way whatsoever. Example >>7425673 these fuckers EOS'd Blue Reflection Sun after what, a year and a half? It was bad enough they put a man in a yuri game. Am I supposed to bow to the nips no matter what?
>>7426192>Which name and which tutorial? Can you link to it?he won't
>>7426200And not only that, they couldn't just make a normal game release. They had to lock it on a slot machine. We'll never get an actual copy without the slot machine. A piece of history gone forever.
>>7426201Why should I? Give me a reason.
>>7426200>cash grab gamesI don't care about video games being bad. This isn't /v/. Authenticity and integrity of anime artstyles goes beyond some company doing something bad. You were making much more grand claims before about "Japan losing" and such, about being beaten in their own medium in the sense of art. That's the only reason why I brought into question your anime credentials in the first place. I admire your desire to work in anime. But there are already so many attacks on anime, the whole western world is persecuting anime. In these times we need as many people fully loyal to japanese artstyles as possible.
>>7426209>this happens>prove it>Why should I? Give me a reason.
>>7426209Because your worldview is being brought into serious question when >>7422488>Kim Rock He and Ten Ten are the only named examples of supposedly great non-Japanese teachers.
>>7426215Check Coloso, Class101, Fast Campus, etc. I gave 2 great examples of Korean and Chinese instructors who teach solid body construction. Why would you disagree with that? A Japanese instructor would dismiss figure construction taught to this degree. They'll wing it and tell you some osmosis shit that's unhelpful. But people like them and Krenz teach perspective and how to rotate the figure. I have no idea why you'd hate on this.
>>7426174>>7426171Why would you not learn Japanese?
>>7426220I'll wait for the AI thing that will real time translate. I tried to learn Japanese on and off too many times. I don't have the patience.
>>7426218>A Japanese instructor would dismiss figure construction taught to this degreeyou're so close to getting it yet so far
>>7426218>that's unhelpful.Maybe it's a personal issue and not an issue of Japan being bad. Do whatever works for you as long as the result is authentic, but please don't say those named examples are authentic anime styles or that Japanese are bad for not catering to westerners.Japanese animators are being trained by other Japanese so how does the existence of other resources make Japanese teachers not useful?
>>7426228I hope this is trolling.>I love anime>I want to work in the industry>I don't have the patience
>>7426220>>7426232I don't think it's the same person
>>7426228>I'll wait for the AI thing that will real time translateBy that time AI illustrations will be so advanced and easy to use that there will literally only be 1 person working per anime studio and his only job will be to supervise the AI churning out scenes.
>>7426229Nta but can you explain?
>>7426231>but please don't say those named examples are authentic anime stylesYou have a different definition of authentic. Those non-Japanese teachers worked on >Japanese< anime and >Japanese< games. They are authentic in the sense that they made it into the homeland and I will learn from them simply because Japanese people themselves are not sharing their secrets as readily available with foreigners as much as the rest of Asia who all use the >industry standard< of the anime style.
>>7426241nice cope but that's besides the point
>>7426241>but... but.. he did work on an authentic project so every work he makes must be authenticThis is a logical fallacy. I only care about the style in question being authentic or not, not about what he drew before or could draw if he wanted to.>are not sharing their secrets as readily available with foreignersSkill issue.
>>7426241>sharing their secretsthere are no secrets
>>7426254>I only care about the style in question being authentic or notWhy should I care about what you care about? Your feeling about style is worthless over the guy with a resume backing of shows. Look at you talking about skill issue. I need to learn anime fundamentals from someone, not Mark Crilley. Fix yourself.
>>7426260NTA, you two have been at this for quite some time, I think you care.
>>7426260Resumes and opinions are absolutely worthless over the artstyle considered in and of itself. No amount of coping over names in the credits of Japanese works will make a pseudoanime style into anime.If a person can draw anime and has drawn anime but choses to draw pseudoanime, his pseudoanime works doesn't become anime by association.
>>7426259If there weren't any why can't the west adapt?
>>7426272Lack of desire and love of beauty and various mindviruses dominating their view of art.
>>7426271>"Resume showcasing your experience is absolutely worthless" - /ic/ anon outside of the club, circa 2025 holy shit
>>7426267yeah okay I do care but I shouldn't
>>7426280I think you forgot to read the rest of the post, disingenuous faggot
>all this manchild posting and no drawingYeah, it's all the book/course/teacher/parent/god's fault, never yours. Manchildren. All of you.
>>7426280>Resume showcasing your experience is absolutely worthlessinsofar as the artstyle of a given work is concerned yes. Because a person can choose to use a different artstyle. The resume of the person creating a piece of art isn't an intrinsic property of the artstyle of that piece.
>>7426271>pseudoanimeWe're not talking about stuff like uhm Legacy Defender where that is watered down anime. You have it all wrong if you're thinking that.
>>7426271>pseudoanimuhIMO, everything that isn't the OG Astro Boy is pseudoanime.
>>7426290pyw
>>7425710Irony weeb poster I genuinely want to see your art and how anime-ish it looks
It really make you think....That all the "muh westoids" posters don't learn Japanese and fuck off to a Eastoid boardI think it's funny that my abbreviation for cognitive resolution caught on
I suck so much dick is unreal....
Op here.I changed my mind.I simply missed a fundamental part of the book which explains what CR is.I thought that these people draw the same after months of work lol.The gains are fine since they are after making subtle improvements in style.In fact, the 2.5 dude is fine after making 2 and half pictures.I'll leave the thread up in shame
OP here.I showed my virtual girlfriend to my coworkers over a zoom meeting once. True story. Looking back I cringe to this day BUT I can live with knowing I actually did something totally funny (in my head) and stupid.
Op hereThose posters above me are just seething weebs. Go buy naoki's nft scam or something lol
>>7422309excuse my brainletness, but by "ideal picture" and "original picture with your ideal design" does he mean a specific artist's style?
>>7426694yeah, it's all in reference to the artist you chose at the beginning of the process.
>>7426844Okay, thank you
>>7426211>>7426271What is pseudo anime? What does a person need to do to create an anime that you like? Being Japanese? Then fuck you all here, jerking off Loomis's flying anime heads, knowing that Japanese pigs won't give a damn about your creativity
>>7427082I think he means shows that have a barely traceable anime look, using superficial quirks that American execs think what makes anime "anime" while the art style looks something akin to Invincible. Americanized anime made by Koreans.
>>7427082>>7427195Americ-anime and Koreatoons are what this is about. Stuff that falls short of achieving the intended anime aesthetic for some degenerate reason
>>7427437You guys should watch 16 Bit Sensation if you haven't. It's an anime where the anime industry is in America instead. Well....technically that's kinda a spoiler but, yeah. I won't say much else if you're interested.
>>7427546>I won't say much else if you're interested.Can you say it anon? I don't care about spoilers, they increase my interest in watching a show if anything.
>>7427195>>7427437It's strange, local nationalists are fighting with a japanese dick in their mouths for the fact that only the Japanese can draw anime, it's not about whether others draw anime badly or not, no matter how you or others draw you still won't be considered people, it's not about style, you probably also think that the illustrator of Monogatari is not the one who makes real anime because he is chinese
>>7428099epic strawman.that's definitely going to make stylistic differences disappear anon. you only need to beLIEeve.
>>7428104You didn't answer whether he draws anime real anime, and whether non-japanese can draw real anime, but you're all jerking off here
>>7428570the views I hold were already discussed above, I can't be bothered to reexplain it to someone who has an anti-anime agenda and wants to strawman our positions
>>7429151I know why you don't answer, because if you admit that he draws true and real anime and exists in the anime industry, it will shake your pride and love for Japan, because someone who is not Japanese is invading this industry. But if you say that he draws fake anime, you will have to accept the fact that even being in the anime industry and not being Japanese, you cannot make real anime, which means it does not matter how Westerners and Koreans draw anime, because Japanese scum will not accept any of this, no matter how perfect and it looks like they did not draw. That's why you do not want to answer this question, you with a Japanese dick in your mouth splash your saliva about the power of anime, what makes it real, etc. but subconsciously you understand that the Japanese do not care about your love, your efforts and how deeply you immerse yourself in their culture, because you are not a person to them, the proof of this is that the Japanese are focused on teaching themselves and not others. So there is no point in trying to "be Japanese" because they don't care about your love and your creativity.
>>7429262didn't read it, but you'll believe anything anti-anime that makes you comfortable. it's a coping mechanism and nothing more.
>>7429264Just answer is the illustrator of the Monogatari novels involved in real anime art
>>7429264You need to throw away your hopes that the Japanese will recognize your anime art, no matter how good and close you make it, just become a faggot nationalist from /a/ and don’t think that you will be recognized and considered your art worthy
>>7429277everything was already said for those who have ears. once you drop the coping mechanism everything becomes clear.>>7429283>muh recognition>muh closethe copes are getting out of control. sour grapes.jpeg
>>7429283Japanese people like…for example… Amazing Digital Circus, RWBY, PPG, Tom and Jerry, Top Gun, cowboy movies, etc. If you make a good product, they will pick it up. Trying to pretend to be Japanese and striving for 1:1 narrow perception of anime art for acceptance is just cope. The end result, the product, the delivery of a good IP is what matters.
>>7429289>narrow perception of anime artThe problem is people try to confuse the existing styles and their differences because it suits their weird anti-anime agendas. That or they're just actually blind and lack self awareness about how their own art looks.
>>7429293>actually blind and lack self awareness about how their own art looks>>7426145
>>7429288You are doing this because you know that I told the truth and you don’t want to lose your love for the Japanese who don’t consider you a human being.>>7429289In Japan there are gays who love LGBT, and those you are talking about are not the core of the anime audience, RWBY is not even recognized as anime on this site, the Japanese don't care what style you have, for them you are the same logs, so your attacks on the fact that someone is not trying hard enough to be like Japan are stupid, you are not Japanese and no one cares about you, so why indulge these island creatures and try to make them love you? In principle, I am against Koreans, Chinese and Westerners loving and creating their own anime or copying the Japanese, by doing this they are only indulging Japanese propaganda.
>>7429305RWBY has had an anime adaptation by Shaft—the most Japanese studio you can get with works like Madoka Magica and the Monogatari series. It’s even been featured in Blaz Blue Crosstag Battle, billboards in Akiba, and in Japanese theaters. I know you have trannies wired in your head 24/7/365 but it’s popular enough there. >attacks I don’t know how you take my posts like this. I’m not trying to get Japanese to love me. Let me break it down for you to make this easier.1. Anime has become an industry standard of stylization and we credit Japan for this and nothing more. This does not mean I want to learn Japanese, fly to Japan, marry a Japanese girl and start a family while living in the heart of Tokyo working on episode 4380 of One Piece. 2. I have barely met a Japanese person IRL (or maybe I just can’t tell them apart) in America. I have no first hand experience with a Japanese. The only thing I care about is their pop culture. Hey, if Korea makes good content that is homage to the INDUSTRY STANDARD (this is key here) STYLE that is ANIME then fantastic. This does not make me “anti-anime”. 3. Shitting on Japan is perfectly acceptable. I don’t owe Japan my undying devotion, love, and support for every single thing they put out. That does not make me “anti-anime”. That doesn’t mean I “fell out” for anime. That doesn’t not mean anything you’re insinuating. It means I can crit some things wrong that they do in the sub culture. 4. >I am against koreans, chinese and westerns loving and creating their own anime or copying the Japanese….propaganda Free country. Free will. Japan made a good thing, the world copies it. You’re starting to sound like a 90 year old WW2 veteran who lost a leg in a trench fighting the yellow menace.
>>7429318Adaptations are made to make money from American weeaboo, like screen adaptations of European fairy tales in the theater of world masterpieces in Europe for money, or the creation of that anti-capitalist anime ghost ship with very possible funding from the USSR in 1969, money, money, money they need money from foreign fans. Apparently you are not those /a/ scumbags and see anime only as a style, then there are fewer questions for you, and it looks like you are another normie who accepts Japanese self-hatred and forgives everything. Korea and China should not indulge in the spread of anime propaganda because it is direct propaganda of Japan, the Japanese have not changed much since WW2, thanks to the American occupation that did not arrange a purge in the upper echelon, it is a pity that the Japanese are not perceived as Germans now, these scumbags deserve more suffering, just delve into the lyrics of the song senbonzakura and you will understand that for the Japanese you are an evil spirit that should be exorcised.
>>7429336>Korea and China should not indulge in the spread of anime propaganda because it is direct propaganda of Japan, the Japanese have not changed much since WW2Gramps, how did you find your way onto /ic/? If you touched Chinese gacha at all they’re not spreading Japanese propaganda but Chinese propaganda. The style is just used because it’s widely accepted, tested, and still can be improved and experimented on. We didn’t have the achievements of Arc System Works on what 2D blended with 3D 10 years ago or things like Live 2D making it easier to do simple to complex animations on still images. Anime looks better than it ever did 20 years ago and only improving. If China wants to use what’s trending when it comes to anime then they can. If they harbor hate and want to exterminate Americans that’s fine, too. I don’t care. I only care about the cartoons. And besides, at the end of the day we occupy them. They’re Americas bitch and they listen to us.
>>7429339I just learned a lot about Japan, but after you said that you don't care, it doesn't matter, you're just a normie pig that is fed by island creatures who hate you
>>7429345I’m glad you learned a lot about otaku culture, grandpa.
>>7429349I'm a zoomer, I'm 20, it's funny to see how you suck Japanese cocks knowing that you are hated, what was your argument about in the end? You are not happy with how Westerners draw anime? Do you want them to indulge the Japanese more?
>>7429353I want anime to take over the western world. Anime is world peace. Join me, zoomer, for a better world where we can all unite under cute 2D girls plastered everywhere in the west as it becomes more widely accepted and preferred.
>>7429359Anime is a product for Japanese otaku, but foreign pigs got a strong impression and began to love this garbage, and even try to make their own anime, which you hate so much, anime will not conquer the world because the creativity of Western people Japanese creatures will not accept and will not love, and therefore you will not love because of your direct connection to love what the Japanese love
>>7429362It's a shame you will not join me but I will help spread the influence of anime in the west with or without you, zoomer. Every advertisement, every restaurant, every highway billboard and skyscraper will have anime's influence on it in my lifetime.
So now that the dust has settled, why did 0(zero) naoki defenders post their work to show how great his methods are?
>>7429368The false fascination with anime in the West does not make its creative potential better, anime crap has been popular in the West for a very long time, but there is nothing close to Japanese, and what there is, the Japanese consider garbage, millennials sucking Japanese dick, loving Japan but unable to repeat its creativity are disgusting
>>7429370>anime crap has been popular in the West for a very long timeAnd continuing to grow. We haven't reached peak yet. Critical mass. The door is always open if you change your mind, just don't wait too long or you'll miss out on a historical shift of acceptance.
>>7429374In this end there may be a plus, if Westerners become equal or surpass Japan in creating anime they will kill its culture and industry of uniqueness. And then successful Western anime will rot like Disney cartoons
>>7429379You're thinking about the very end and not the journey of the transformation. By the time that happens I'll be in my retirement age of 70. Much like you, a 20 something, we'll never know what the 20 somethings of 2060 will accept..............well you're an outlier I think. Or a contrarian to be contrarian. I assume most late zoomers like anime. And the subsequent generation after Z as well.
>>7429383I myself loved and defended anime until recently, now I don't know how to treat it, a lot of things related to Japan causes hatred and dislike knowing the true gut of the Japanese
>>7429359>>7429368My blade is yours.
>>7429541>I myself loved and defended animeAnother irony weeb falls. Many such cases.
People don't understand the quality of anime art and storytelling so they think it's all about "coming close" to it within an old framework. It's not about that, it's about learning an entirely superior way of creation.
>>7429554You're a retard, I didn't hate it for the anime itself, what a fucking retard you are
>>7429541>a lot of things related to Japan causes hatred and dislike knowing the true gut of the JapaneseHow does something like Hibike or Yuru Camp cause hatred in the heart of man? Is this a case of cute aggression and you're disguising it with some long winded cope about how Japanese boomers hate your guts for getting their asses handed to them?
>>7422216nip pose books are good
>>7429637Super Pose is just softcore pron.
>>7429606>How does something like Hibike or Yuru Camp cause hatred in the heart of man? ISadly hatred of beauty is all too common today. Especially among mentally unstable artist types with a prejudice against anime who don't want to admit they've been bested by it in every way.
>>7429926Anime is trash
>>7430421Anime is justice.
