Chechen alphabet edition>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make friends!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language-learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>List of trackers for most language-learning packs:https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt>Ukrainianon's list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:https://archive(dot)is/R2feT>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpootFAQ U:>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?Read the damn wiki>Should I learn language Y so I can learn language X?Yes>What is the most useful language?Abkhaz>What language should I learn?Ingush>Can I learn X, Y and Z language at the same time?Only if they're North CaucasianOld thread:>>201683659Previous challenge:>>201703358
Why don't we make an AI tool guide to learn multiple languages. Let's make collective useful links
>>201770273Luodingo already exists. If you examine it carefully it's all AI and the exercises are generated automatically. Do you still want AI to teach you?
入力!!
>>201770337Okay I'll make comprehensive guide Just wait for a month
So I tried to do Assimil French whilst doing an hour of cardio this morning and it seemed to go pretty well. I managed to get two lessons done in an hour, I feel like I could get one more in but I’d probably be sacrificing on understanding fully. I think my ability to focus was largely the same, perhaps a little diminished, but it’s a big time saver. Also as a bonus, it makes cardio fun instead of mind numbing where I was previously counting every minute. I might try the Arabic course too. I already have other resources but Assimil is small and easy enough to use whilst multitasking.
Na endlich!
>>201770986Just ask ChatGPT to do it in 2 seconds.>>201771023How does this actually work? You're running while listening to the audio or something? I'm way too autistic to multitask, have to sit down and focus.
>>201771271The answers of language model has always been kind of two generic in their own guidelines. I just want to add some shithole ways
>>201771333Have*
>>201771271I use a stationary bike for easy zone 2 cardio. I listen to the audio, shadow the text, repeat the text out loud etc. It works because I’m (deliberately) not spending too much effort doing cardio. I can control the audio playback from my headphones but every now and again, I’ll have to change the page on my phone for reading. There’s no way I could do it for running, unless I was just trying to input with audio. It seems to be very useful though, I’ve immediately saved an hour of my day, so learning for free, and making cardio very easy to do.
>>201771665Is it normal to have stationary bike in your home in your country?
>>201771862>Is it normal to have stationary bike in your home in your country?It’s normal in the sense that nobody will find it weird, but it isn’t exactly "commonplace" if that makes sense.
>>201771094Herzlichen Glückwunsch
>>201771862It’s not common at all but it isn’t weird, especially if you take fitness somewhat seriously. Lots of people do not exercise at all in my country, or not seriously enough to see long term progress. Those who do exercise will either go to a gym, go running, ride a real bike or some will have equipment like a stationary bike or some weights at home if they have the space. I have a space in an empty shed in my garden, so I keep the equipment in there. It’s useful because it saves a lot of time for me instead of travelling to a gym and sometimes waiting for others.
Mein Deutschlehrer sagt, meine Sprache sei zu sehr von meinem Englisch beeinflusst, mein Akzent sei sehr bemerkenswert, sagt er. Was kann ich dagegen tun? Ich denke, deshalb ich kann nicht Spanisch sprechen, da es dem Portugiesischen ähnlich ist...Sorry for the bad German, please correct.
vais/veux sound almost identical to me, even though I know how to produce them (maybe in an exaggerated way?). With futur proche being a thing, it leads to funny misconceptions.Will more inpoot fix it?
>>201772911>mein Akzent sei sehr bemerkenswert, sagt er.Meinst du bemerkenswert im negativen Sinn? Dein schriftliches Deutsch ist gut, nur ein Fehler:>Ich denke, deshalb ich kann nicht Spanisch sprechenIch denke, deshalb kann ich nicht Spanisch sprechen
>>201773181>Meinst du bemerkenswert im negativen Sinn? Ja.>>Dein schriftliches Deutsch ist gut, nur ein Fehler>Ich denke, deshalb kann ich nicht Spanisch sprechenVielen dank, ich lese viel, aber spreche un höre nicht viel.
>>201773667"Bemerkenswert" ist normalerweise ein positives Wort, aber ich verstehe was du meinst. "Merkwürdig" hat eine ähnliche Bedeutung, aber im negativen Sinn.Wenn du ein Vocaroo schickst kann ich dir vielleicht Tipps zur Aussprache geben. Mehr Deutsch zu hören würde bestimmt auch helfen. Zum Beispiel könntest du ein Hörbuch hören und gleichzeitig mitlesen.
>>201703358De lokaale Ihnwohners hettennelk hör eegene Spraak utgevenSe begunnen Engelsk to sprekenFransken Eengang is an d'Openbaaren in de Schrievwies markeertNoordsk hett Engelsk in vööleree in den Woordschatt, in de Grammatik, de Utspraak, un in dagelikse Utdrücken daardoonWieldes de Övergangstied, worden vööle Minsken tominnst twee Spraken wetenEen kann haast eenen Text beschrieven so wu et up Fransk schreven is aver mit engelske WoordenWenn York överwunnen hebben worr, is et amenn dat Angelsekelk utstürvenAs Caxton 1491 stürv, harr he al een Streek van Präzedendaalhauen för de Vöropenelkung in engelske Spraak schafftEngelsk, so worr argumenteert, is een barbariske Spraak, neet to bruken för de Hillige Schrift of de groote Wark van Ollderroom; up Engelsk to schreven is wu Parreln vör de Sögen to smieten
>>201774059Ich möchte aus Datenschutz kein Vocaroo aufzeichnen, aber ich danke dir für das Angebot. Ich werde nach deutschen Hörbüchern suchen.
Anki is kinda addictive
>>201771094Congratulations! YOU DID IT!
I wonder where the idea that Icelandic is almost impossible came from
>>201776519Is that Javier Milei?lmao
sneed
Daily reminder to NOT dabble
>>201779274I've dabbled for YEARS, imagine what I could learn by now. Better late than never I guess
chechen used to be written in arabic script
I'm a dabbler
Is Duolingo a good place to get started with Ukrainian and learning the basics?
>>201780726I have never tried it but if you don't know Cyrillic yet then yes. Otherwise do not spend there more than 1 week
Dabbled my way into reading and writing Arabic script, and impressing people, in spite of having almost no vocabulary. Dabbling works.
>>201781637Yeah it works for impressing people maybe, if my goal was to impress people I wouldn't even have to ever actually learn a language.Granted, most people will never learn a language anyway so dabbling is the best thing they can do, if they're never gonna learn they might as well invest the least amount of time in it possible for the maximum results. I'm from a family of pollack americans and they all know about 10 words in polish that they trade around the campfire that their parents / aunts / uncles said while they were growing up. All of them speak english now and have a collective vocabulary of less than 100 polish words. I'd imagine about 5 hours of dabbling would put me above all of their levels, but I'm not going to do it because I don't want to attentionwhore.
>>201781637You can't read even a single word of Arabic without knowing at least some vocabulary, unless it's kids content or the Quran.
>>201781938A little exaggeration. I can do basic introductions and some simple phrases yeah.
>>201781938>>201782087+ lots of vocabulary I gain from old love songs, but I can’t count this because I’m incel
>>201780241Nowadays it's just spoken with the fists https://files.catbox.moe/l7vqfa.MOV
>>201781525I don't know Cyrillic, but it doesn't look too hard, so I think one week should be enough to memorize it. I thought it might help with learning basic vocab, etc., before I input and try to actually talk to people. Maybe I should look for a beginner's textbook.
>>201782401why do you have this saved
>>201783391inpoot
>>201782564>Maybe I should look for a beginner's textbookYes for any language in any context
Honestly those "learning language curves" are so unrealistic, it feels like I just keep climbing over hills, but then when I reach the top there's just another one and I'm never going to be satisfied. I thought I was at the intermediate gap, then I was just at the start, then I thought I crossed the gap, then I was just at the start of the gap.It's just now that I think I might be climbing the intermediate hill into really understanding, I've even been in native content for a long time understanding enough to watch videos but I wasn't REALLY understanding, now it's starting to make sense again but I'm sure I'll hit some other kind of hill I wasn't told about.There is absolutely 0 chance that 99% of language learners even reach the intermediate gap, they likely just inflate what they're doing and they think they've reached it but they haven't.
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>>201787541Vgh
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>>201789376Modern? If you have to ask, then probably no.
méfiez-vous de l'eau qui dort
>>201770239Cyrillic orthographies of the majority of Caucasian languages are pure abomination (Abkhaz being the notable exception). While orthographies of other languages in the former USSR use funky letters like Ғ, Ө or even something like Ҽ, languages of Caucasus mostly use the unmodified Russian alphabet with the addition of palochka Ӏ (No, this is not the same character as Ukrainian I) for ejectives. The results is having weird digraphs like Кх for /q/ in Chechen or even Хьхь /xː/ in Avar.
Are they commonly used for real conversation? I doubt it except 'to die for'
>>201790773True, Soviet linguists were some of the dumbest people on the planet. Look up Adyghe, it looks like random garbage your cat would type.The Cyrillic alphabet is very powerful by itself, but its users are so fucking stupid for some reason.
>>201792316>Scrumptious>DelectableCaricature of an upper-class posh british person >Lip-smackingBlack>Taste buds dancingWine-mom or "high on life" pseudohippie>To-die-forCould be said by everyone – just requires a high enough level of enthusiasm for whatever they are describing.You are right to assume that none except "to die for" are commonly used
>>201771094miring the speaking results. What did you do to get good output? I feel like I can say a lot of basic things because I have high comp but I often find myself forgetting vocab in speech (active vs. inactive).
>>201792316>taste buds dancingI've never even heard that one before
my mains in learning right now are japanese and ukrainian, and i want to add another language for learning, i'm thinking about estonian or czech.which country has the most cutest and fuckable women? czech or estonia?
I am getting better
>>201792795>>201793191That's the reason why we have to avoid those kind of language reels or educators
>>201780603based
>>201793191>>201792316>My taste buds are dancingI'll have to remember this one for when I'm posting in coomer threats, thanks ESL whore!
>>201771094Congrats greekbroI'd take the B2 but I'm kinda nervous to ngl, never taken a language proficiency test before but know a lot of German and other languages
Local library has free subscriptions to language learning apps. Any thoughts on how good Mango or Transparent are?https://www.transparent.com/https://mangolanguages.com/
>>201772911>>201773667>>201774059Statt "bemerkenswert" wäre hier z.B. "einen deutlichen..." oder "einen merkbaren..." oder sogar "einen deutlich merkbaren Akzent" zu verwenden.bemerkenswert = remarkablemerkbar = noticeable
https://lingonaut.app/launchpad/Seems promising, but>Greek>Dutch>Serbian>Czech>Esperanto>Klingon>but no Polish???They've GOT to be trolling.I will find a way to contact them about this error.
>>201792795>To die forWhite mom on a TV commercial advertising a new diet fad food, cleaning product or furniture on sale.
I'm finally watching native content
>>201798168What's promising about it? No demo, no proof of concept, just begging for free translators?
>>201798698AwesomeWhat are you watching?How difficult are you finding it?
>>201798168>https://lingonaut.app/launchpad/Is there a demo on how it works? Is it going to have exercises similar to Duolingo?
>>201799021YouTube recommended ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJT4_s6B3kIt's comprehensible enough. Cuban accent is kinda tricky but I'm doing fine ~15 mins in
>>201798866It sounds like how memrise had user-made courses (but more quality control?)
>>201798168>Czech course is the most developed course, above Spanish and French
>>201799652more Czech volunteers I guess
>>201799051https://lingonaut.app/we-need-you-to-make-lingonaut-happen-and-other-things/Some screenshots there of the course creation kit.There's a beta but I don't know where to find it.
>>201799775Kinda looks like DuolingoWith limited hearts and everything
I'm probably making myself look like a retard but can someone check if these Mandarin sentences are correct? Thanks!五个多日学习后我会做好吃的美国菜。十四多个日前你看见我了吗?
If you could go back in time to experience and document a now-dead language from its native speakers, with unlimited means, linguistic knowledge, etc., and bring this knowledge into the present, what language are you choosing?
>>201801940The biggest scholarly benefit would probably be the earliest possible stage of Proto-Indo-European, or Ancient Egyptian.
>>201801839its understandable>五个多日学习后我会做好吃的美国菜。再学习五天我就会做好吃的美国菜>十四多个日前你看见我了吗?十四天前你见(看到)过我吗?
i really don't understand why people learning mandarin would waste their time on tones
>>201802430O rollo don't ondorstond who popol lornong onglosh wold wost thor tom on vowols
>>201802509sorry, next time i'll change my flag to aid my argument
on þæt bedd sceal ic gan, gode nihttodæg wæs an god dæg þeah ic manige dryncas gedruncen hæbbefaraþ and restaþ ge wel, mine /int/ friendneom ic her be langne timanasciaþ ge me awiht on þæm cierre on þæm þe ic her wesþis ealu smæcceþ me godic wysc eow swiðe gesundfullnesse
>>201770239>turkish+kurdish+arabic+persiantell me why don't you georgraphymaxx
any good app for learning to write chinese characters
>>201804322Pen and paper
>>201804322i tried skritter when i started but it's poop desu
>>201804364what if I have 20 minutes in the bus and I'm not carrying pen and paper
>>201804414phone and finger
>>201804425so an app
>>201804437no
>>201804463why not
>>201804482just use your fucking notebook app man wtf is all this about
>>201804414Start carrying a pen and paper.
>word means opposition, resistance in singular>word means reception in pluralDo words change meaning in the plural in your language?
>>201801940Minoan
>>201804523there is another problem. It's middle of the night, I can't turn on the light, because it would bother my sleeping roommate. I can't sleep so I want to practice writing chinese characters
>>201770239how do I not switch the language I'm learning, and actually stick to learning it?t. kept swapping between learning spanish, japanese and russian over my life
>>201802430tones aren't hard at all retardyou speak with tones every time you ask a question in english
>>201804937I switched from French to Russian to Latin to French to Russian to French to Latin to Russian to French to Latin to FrenchWhat helped me was focusing on a goal, in my case to read a single TL novel
>>201804917There are $2 USB lamps that emit just enough light to write down shit. I'm waiting for your next excuse.
what's wrong with learning 3 languages at the same time
>>201805193>i'm waiting for your next excuseif it's enough light to write down shit then it's enough to bother somebodyi'm new in this apartment and i'd rather be in good terms with others
>>201805143>focusing on a goalthat's probably the problemmy idea of my future and goals and social vs anti-social -ness flip-flops constantly, even during the day. I can't keep anything up for more than a few weeks. What the hell my life is fucking dead I can't do shit.
>>201805272your phone emits light too, that's why you SEE it. face it, if you're going to work in the dark you need light, so just use a paper and pencil until you find your perfect phone app.
>>201805339perhaps you spend too much time with the screens and electronic devices
>>201805339Well it's as simple as thinking about the things you want to do with the languages you're learning and saying 'I'll focus on this language until I can do one of those things'Trust me, once you manage to do this you'll have enough motivation to stick with one language, at least for a whileOnce you start consuming native content your comprehension will improve dramatically and you'll get addicted
>>201805272Just don't point the light at them, what the fuck is your problem? You seem unbothered with >>201805372 so why would a lamp be different?
>>201805381definitely. don't know what I can do about that though, the world seems to be conspiring to prevent me from touching grass. (everything costs money and needs a car but nobody will hire me and parents car is unavailable)also don't think that's the reason for my uncertainty, I think that's more to do with a coping and accepting loop from no gf
>>201805499i set the phone screen to minimum light which points at meidk maybe i'm irrational in assuming that this is less lightanyways, nevermind
What’s the best way to raise a multilingual child if parents are monolingual/non native speakers?
it's just that most of the apps autocorrect your writing, so they don't give you the same experience as writing in the notebookbut I managed to find an app that wouldn't autocorrect the writingit was 1 year ago, and I don't remember what name it hadbut anyways, nevermind
>>201805489>things you want to do with the languages you're learningI could one day visit those countries and live there or get a gf there, but my opnion of doing all of those things in the future flip-flops based off of being social or anti-social right now. And I've never tried doing something big on my own like that.I could get a job thanks to knowing that language, but I can't even get a part-time job now so careers are out of the question.And if I learned japanese I could read anime stuff slightly easier than now.Huh, I guess there really is no reason for a socially depressed american to learn another language.Well, I'll probably think the opposite thing tommorow and be depressed that I flip-flopped without getting anything done again.
>>201805670If the parents are monolingual then it's no use.If the parents are non-native then they don't really need to do anything. The child will learn the parents language from them and the country language from the kids around them and at school.
I think we deserve our own board already
these threads don't even hit the bump limit. What do you mean?
>>201770239>Chechen alphabetWow, I hate them even more now.
Salvete, fellatores. Quid agitis?
>>201806316I could host an altchan that prohibits Japanese learners
>>201771999>>201775654Vielen Dank!>>201793036I took my time to prepare by accustoming myself to topics that tend to be in the exams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDywogRBejk and memorized set phrases on how to do a presentation in German. I used less than half of the phrases in picrel, but they were enough not to stutter or lose my flow. I think what played a key role on my score was that I paid attention to the other candidate's presentation and asked them a relevant question and I responded to their question immediately as it happened to be something I wanted to include in my presentation but forgot about it (lol).The second part was a more spontaneous conversation, but it was about distance/online learning which was quite easy to talk about.>>201794556Thanks, man!There's nothing to be scared of as long as you properly prepare for the exam. When I took the DELE C1, there was a girl that didn't know you had to write the essays with a pen. During the Goethe B2 Lesen, there was a guy that not only didn't know how to mark the answers on the answer sheet, but didn't even bother reading the instructions written in plain German. The invigilator had to explain the process twice. lol
>>201806945>During the Goethe B2 Lesen, there was a guy that not only didn't know how to mark the answers on the answer sheet, but didn't even bother reading the instructions written in plain German.picrel
Kann mir jemand erklären, wie man das gerrolte R ausspricht? Ich klinge wie einer russichen Gangster wenn ich spreche. Ich weiß wass ich mit meiner Zunge tun muss, aber ich schaffe es nicht.
>>201807339Meinst du nicht das Zäpfchen R?
Also what do you think is faster for learning vocab? Anki or just reading and checking every word you don't know. Anki seems faster, but the retention with it does not seem as good from past experience, maybe I did something wrong dunno.
>>201770239In the past few months ive realised that I really enjoy learning languages and now im getting a bit cocky. How realistic is slowly chipping away at multiple languages? would that be too much? Most polyglots I know put quite a lot of effort into one at a time and just "collect" languages. I'm getting pretty good at Italian but I also want to speak French, German and Yiddish. Is that just too much? Ive been really inspired by Steve Kaufmann and how he learned a bunch of languages in his 60s. Being 26 it should be possible for me right? Obviously with a lot of work.
>>201807613Is das nicht dasselbe?Wann man rrrrrrrrrrrr ausspricht.
>>201807668Soweit ich weiß, gibt es das gerollte r nur in Dialekten.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UfcHyJlFUchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGS8JBe8_ug
>>201798698how long did it take you?
>>201799270I want to bang the shit out of that cute Latina
>>201792316The first four are only used by sitcom script writers when writing gay characters, the last one is only used by advertisers
>>201807625basically you're describing dabbling which will get you nowhereyou should focus on one language for a certain period of time until you get to something like B1, only then you can start thinking about adding another one
I checked my old french grammar textbooks and was surprised at how much stuff was in the A2 level, I thought it was kiddie shit but it even includes the present subjunctive
My final exam takes place on 7th of september. After that, I [MIGHT] start learning German.Will I really be able to maintain my fluency through input alone after B2?
>>201810042no, you wont be able to. you will need to be hooked up to your subscription services, paying usury rates on a monthly basis until the day you die like a fat person hooked up to a CPAP machine just to survive through the nightdo you think people actually learned their languages? everyone here is just using google translate to pretend because none of us are brave enough to venture past the shallow end of the pool that is duolingo. hope your pockets are deep because that $45 a month Udemy course subscription will be knocking on your door the 1st of every month until the day you cant use your tongue anymore
>>201810169either answer my question or don'tdon't use that passive aggressive shit on me faggot
Where do I get Jordan VPN to impersonate that guy
>>201810042REMINDER
>>201809305guess ill stick with Italian then
>>201807625Yeah, stick with 2 languages from different language families. I'm learning french and german simultaneously. So stick with Italian and add one Germanic language and then when you're basically fluent (C1) you can start with the other pair.
>>201810522I did answer your question>no, you wont be able to.
>>201810042>>201810169I thought Udemy courses have a lifetime subscription so you only pay once
>>201815087He got banned for trying to record them with a browser extension. lol
>>201815189Was it even an extension, I thought he just used a screen grab program?
>>201815189I'm pretty sure you can find most of the courses for free on sites like the Pirate Bay
>>201801940African romance
>>201806316I just wish we'd get like 5-10 more regulars so the thread wouldn't need to constantly bumped. A lang board would be slow as shit, even if it would be cool.
>Inputting in the 1 hour of free time I have before workIf you're not at this level you will NEVER reach fluency. In all seriousness this is probably the best thing I can do with this time since it seems to stretch it out and make it last longer. You'd expect it to be a "waste of time" but it feels like longer than an hour of free time when I input.>>201807625If you wanted to be "most efficient" you'd probably learn one at a time, reach a certain level, then keep a 70-30 split, still primarily learning the first language, but in the second language doing the more stressful grinding like learning some basic grammar stuff, the most basic words, collecting resources for different levels, learning the unique alphabet. If you're actually at a decent level in the first language there should be almost no stress in learning it so you can do the actual difficult part, just starting out, in the second lang at the same time.
I need to learn Uyghur along with Chinese>>201806816is there a conflict between /djt/ and /lang/? were they part of the /lang/ then decided to go seperate after japanese learners make this got overwhelming here?>>201816388i think it would be more active then oekaki, origami or 3dcgespecially with djt
>>201817167No I just hate learners of Japanese. 99% of them are gooners who just want to watch anime without subs for some reason, and the remaining 1% work for the government
Is duolingo goed voor nederlands leren?Ik ben luisterend true crime podcasts in spotify maar ze spreken zeer vast voor me.
>>201817640>Is Duolingo goed om Nederlands mee te leren?>Ik luister naar true-crime podcasts op Spotify, maar ze spreken te snel voor mij. download a textbook + anki, rest is optional for extra learning>>201817167>Chinesehuh? Why spend a billion years studying Chinese when you can learn, say, German + French + Italian + Spanish + Swedish in that time?
dude french+spanish+japanese
>>201817167>is there a conflict between /djt/ and /lang/I visit both. I think djt comes from /jp/ by accident and stayed, and /lang/ is earlier than that.You can find the earliest thread on archive.
>>201818168without having studied chinese, I think you overstate its difficulty. maybe it's the same investment as 2 romance languages or even one romance and one germanic, but definitely not all those combined
How many languages (that are not similar to each other) can a person of average intelligence learn and maintain? I’d say at most 5 or 6.
>>201818168>ankiSankyuu anon.Any deck recommendations or can I just nab the first one I see and go at it?
>>201775238I legit despise it. But it's a means to an end and I'm capping my decks at 5k no matter what. It's more tolerable if I do it soon after I wake up, because the more the day progresses the more dread it gives me. >>201807621It depends on language for me. With Japanese, I cannot just read and hope to remember the words. My brain doesn't like it, I will forget the word almost immediately after learning it so I have to anki goon. With a Latin alphabet, I find I retain the words much easier though so Anki is not as important. It's no doubt the best way of retaining words though. >>201818168>huh? Why spend a billion years studying Chinese when you can learn, say, German + French + Italian + Spanish + Swedish in that time?Because maybe they have no use for German, French, Italian, Spanish and Swedish. I know youtube has ruined the whole language learning thing with the polyglot cringe, but trying to learn as many as you can just for the sake of it is silly
>>201807621>>201820522I think I'm knowledge resistant. I can't spell fucking basic words like verkäuferin or quälen, even though I made a mistake a minute ago and checked how to spell it. Also anki are boring, I'm just too stupid for it>>201804917>it would bother my sleeping roommateSounds like not your problem
>>201806945>invigilatorIch bin noch nie im Leben auf dieses Wort gestoßen. Hier in den USA nennen wir den Prüfungs-Beobachter in der Regal Proctor. Wirklich lernt man nie aus. Also danke dafür, dass du mir ein neues englisches Wort beigebracht hast. Zur Hauptsache muss ich dir zum Erfolg bei deiner Sprachprüfung gratulieren. Tolle Leistung im besonderen bei der Sprachkomponente. Diese Komponente treibt mich am meisten um, wenn ich mir Gedanken darüber mache, eine Sprachprüfung endlich abzulegen.
I've been learning English for over 20 years, and I guess I'll never be able to pronounce 'mirror' correctly. I gave up
>>201822711Get fucked lmao
>>201822826
>>201822988You're not an English speaker studying Korean though.
>>201822711Just pronounce it the way the brits do
>>201822826m
>>201822711https://youtu.be/Sh0gVdmBfvI
>>201823415Well, looks like natives can pronounce it in a lot of different ways.
I don’t understand why people care about pronunciation. If you can read and write, then you can speak, you won’t sound like a native, but so what? The most important thing is being understood. Just learn how to read and write and forget about speaking and listening.
>>201823506>>201823200https://youtu.be/0OPwYbzZm6gRate her british accent
>>201823647A native speaker confused my word like 'middle' as 'mirror'
>>201823657She sounds native, though it seems like she mixes British RP and a posher style of speaking; such as in the way that she says "not" and "talk", the vowels' qualities are a bit longer I wouldn't say they match her otherwise standard British pronunciation. I would assume that she's native were it not for these minor inconsistencies.
>>201823657>Grab a cup of tea or should I say coffeeIsn't "or should I say" used for when you are referring to the "proper" name or something? Something like "Grab a cuppa or, should I say, a cup of tea"?
>>201823657The accent is unmistakably British, but the cadence is weird. It sounds at times like she's playing a caricature of a British lady
>>2018236570/10, she didnt say bo'o'o'wo'a.
>>201823657>>201823945I ended up watching more than thirty seconds and her pronunciation is really strange as a wholeThere's a lot of variation in her speech that isn't native to a particular British accent but could be found somewhere? It's a weird mix, it's unlikely that she sat down and learned one British accent but just listened to a bunch of British people speak and copied all of them which resulted in a smattering of inconsistent features
Dat Fehlen van Lüü, de Nederdüütsk lernen, maakt mi SörgenJi mööt jo maal tosamenrieten
Why do languages change so much over time? English today is completely different from English 1000 years ago, that doesn’t make any sense.
>>2018236579/10I took a point off because she's a little bit slow and the intonation is a little bit off in places but I'm being VERY harsh here. It's a very good accent
>>201823657uncanny valley
>>201824157I'd take this take with a grain of salt>>201824494I would take this as legit saying
>>201824473what causes languages to change of course depends on the languageenglish historically has been heavily influenced by the norse and the normans alongside its own internal changes later
>>201824632I'm just being honest
>>201824473It's completely natural for languages to change. As an exaggerated example, imagine a generational slang persisting and later becoming a standard word for the given phenomenon. Now imagine how that language would look like after a few generations of accumulated changes, something like "I spy a mighty gyatty babe".
>>201824473Aside from outside influences, local innovations in how people talk or the words they use build up over time until the language becomes unintelligible to older and nearby versions of it.
>>201824473Because new people get born and they have to learn the language of the old people. Some things they copy, some things they don't, some things they invent. This is a rough generalisation of why languages change in the first place.English in particular also has a complex history that roughly goes like this:PIE -> Germanic -> West Saxon -> these Saxons invade Britain and they get Celtic influences (Anglo-Saxon) -> Norman Invasion places French as the language of the nobility, England becomes a state with diglossia (Middle English) -> eventually they kick French out of the court but now Latin is a problem -> Great Vowel Shift starts happening for some reason (Early Modern English) -> Shakespeare makes English great again -> Modern English gets established and the spelling is set in stone by this point -> British Empire spreads English all over the world -> USA takes its place -> (You) are here
>>201806945I mean I'd say I'm about C1 in German, but I've taught German at the university level before and before anyone asks>how did you teach if you weren't certifiedtook classes in undergrad and maxed out German credits, so my teacher gave me a job when I started my MA
>>201823175if Korean is hard for native English speakers, isn't the opposite also be true?
>>201825601Not necessarily. Russian is hard for English speakers, but English isn't nearly as bad for Russian speakers.
>>201825601English would be hard for Korean speakers but not necessarily as hard as it would be for English speakers to learn Korean. I heard that it's easier for Portuguese speakers to pick up Spanish than it is for Spanish speakers to pick up Portuguese for example. I believe it has to do with exposure being unbalanced.
>>201825528Is it that simple? I tested out of my university's german learners' class and into german lit, but the course never ran so I ended up taking a semester of mandarin instead. I've considered teaching German as a fallback (i have a semi-meme tier degree) but (a) I don't technically have german credits while at the same time (b) am recognized by the university as obtaining that level of german education. is there anything that I could potentially or would I need to get independent certifs and not rely on the university? i'm kinda just venting atp
>>201825330can other anons do small histories like that for their nl's just out of curiosity
>>201825601Not necessarily. It might be true in general terms, as in, "hard", but the extent of how hard it is usually varies between languages. Let's say there's language A and language B.If we're talking phonetics, language A has 6 different vowels, and language B has 9. 4 of them are common, and the rest are different. Would it be easier for a speaker of language A to pick up 5 new vowels and learn how to differentiate them, or will it be easier for a speaker of language B who is already more familiar with vowels, to learn two more? An educated guess would be the latter option is more probable.Or let's take grammar. Language A and language B both have 3 tenses, but language A has a couple of extra aspects. Is it easier to learn a different way to say something you're already familiar with, or to learn how to use an entirely new concept that you usually don't even pay attention to because your language model does not care?
>>201825956My rundown was extremely rough and I even forgot the Viking invasion (where they establish Daneslaw, in which the northern Anglo-Saxon dialects get Norse influences). But yeah I guess these are fun to read.Ignore my flag though I know jack shit about the history of Greek (or even my native Russian for that matter, aside from basic facts).
>>201825956Anons probably know more about the history of their TLs than their NLs tbqhwyf
>>201825330There's really almost no Celtic influence from my understanding since the Anglo-Saxons were the superior/dominant group
>>201826334Not in terms of lexicon, but the meaningless do has a good chance of being something Anglo-Saxons took from local Celts. And I believe I read something about the V2 word order falling out of use due to the Celtic influence, but don't quote me on that
>>201825773I mean it's also important to have a good rapport with your professors (I was on first-name basis with both my German professors and a member of Delta Phi Alpha, the only German National Honours Society for American universities). Also went to the same university and stayed in the same department for undergrad and grad school (though my degree was in a different department, I usually hung around the linguistics department)I'd suggest taking more German classes if you can, but also if you want to do K-12 or somewhere else having a certification isn't a net negative, but it is time-consuming to study for.
>>201826696i'm unsure, but V2 in old english wasn't used as often as it is among some of the other germanic languages, it's possible that it fell out on its own although its remnants remain in negative statements (Never have I, Nor did he, etc), in some transitive or oblique statements (Here comes the rain, then had he gone) or even (Through the door did the man walk) though the two latter instances aren't common and sound archaic Idk if there's any evidence that celtic influence is what made it less frequent although we do still have it in some cases
>>201826696>>201827058also throwing in that v2 has largely been reduced to modal verbsSo did I / as had he, are two more examples for the sake of it
read harry potter in tlturns out it is the same story as in english
>>201827320It's always Harry Potter. I can't even stand reading that shit in English so definitely not doing the same in TL. Although I did hear the Ancient Greek version as supposed to be very good
>>201826870I'm on a first-name basis and have friendly relationships with who my professors were but the language department was lucky to have anything beyond spanish and french run (slac school vibes, just hearing about delta phi alpha for the first time now). I'll look into teaching requirements, I wouldn't mind going out of my way to, it's just time consumingthank you for your advices and doing the needful sir
>>201825956yes>>201826324yes
>>201826094Good points
>>201803046how can you georgraphymax without georgian
>>201827320Translations try to be as faithful as possible. Afaik book adaptations are not really a thing, besides making classic books easier for kids.
>learn language for 6 weeks>absolutely nobody speaks anything but American where i live and i have nobody to talk to>get bored and forget to study for a month>randomly run into native speaker and cant talk to them whereas by that time id be at least 10 weeks deep into learning if i didnt slack offevery timemet a cute russian girl at a bar yesterday and couldnt say anything except the literal most basic words when at least i should have been able to string a few sentences together
>>201810790time flows differently in jordan, also how does semsters work in jordan anyways, jordie seems to have a final every week
>>201824473Because the English language has fallen. Everything will eventually fall. We don't even have grammatical gender anymore. It's over
>>201824473>Why do languages change so much over time? English today is completely different from English 1000 years ago, that doesn’t make any sense.typical retarded huehue
>>201826696>but the meaningless do has a good chance of being something Anglo-Saxons took from local Celtsinteresting
>>201832136It's not a retarded question. Some languages have changed far less than English. There are 2000 years old texts that you can understand if you speak Modern Greek. Same with Icelanding and old Norse, I believe. There's probably other languages like those.
>>201810522kick rocks, skedaddle
Is there a program where I can add dictionaries to and when I select a word or sentence on a PDF then a pop-up will show up with the translation and definition of that word?
i wonder if anyone has ever investigated the existence of a MENA sprachbund. there seems to be one for other culturally/geographically linked areas like europe (specially western europe), mesoamerica, and east/southeast asia
>tfw you stumble upon the category "language contact" on wiki it's over
>>201833067Not that I know of for pdfs, but for websites you can use "Yomitan" addon which is what what all the Japanese learners use, but there's other language dictionaries too. You just mouseover and hold shift
what is the best language to learn to get pussy?
>>201835555Literally doesn't matter. Just be attractive
>>201835555Nigga we have millions of people here who already speak English. If you can't get pussy here then you can't get pussy anywhere.
>>201835099Where can I find a FR->PT dictionary?
any app recommendations like hellotalk? i got banned and tandem sucks
what is that spot of czechs in serbia?
>>201836041https://github.com/themoeway/kaikki-to-yomitan/blob/master/downloads.mdIf you could get pdf files open in browsers that might work too
>>201836082how did you get banned?
>>201835555Learning French can attract American art hoes as long as you aren't better at it than them. It will not attract French women, who act basically like men and will be unimpressed.
>>201836356What women would be impressed if you spoke their language?>>201835099Po co uczysz się polskiego?
>>201836269Can Yomitan translate from multiple languages? Like, if I add a French, a German and a Japanese dictionary will it works for all those three languages or is it just one at a time?
>>201836515>Po co uczysz się polskiego?I'm not. I dabbled years ago and I still have the dictionary set up>>201836692You can make profiles and switch between them if you can't have them all at one time. You can also set it up with anki so all you do is press a button and it'll make a card for you.
1. Italian, French, Norwegian, Swedish or Dutch?2. Pimsleur + DupoLingo + some other app like Clozemaster: is it a good daily minimum to do everyday?3. Which American English accent sounds the most posh, which one is the coolest?4. How to improve my English?>inb4 by readingHow to do it effectively? With anki, with an audiobook?Also, I'm giving up German bc it's just too time-consuming to be my side hobby. If I go back to University as I plan to, I will definitely take German classes, I like cases, I like poetry, even German people a bit. For now I will focus on English, on finding a less time-consuming job, on my other hobbies and on a less time-consuming language like Italian, French, one of the Scandinavian languages or Dutch.There are more languages and cultures that interest me but I had to narrow down the pool somehow >>201835602False. Speaking foreign language is attractive, being related to some attractive culture makes you a bit more attractive, but playing nothing else matters on the guitar is more effective >>201836356Unimpressed French women are hot. Arthoes as well. Out of curiosity: what about other languages and women in USA?
>>201836295being too cool and funnyoh and racist
>>201837118Norwegian
>>201836515>What women would be impressed if you spoke their language?Women from significantly poorer countries than your own. A lot of attraction is power, as uncomfortable as this is for some people.>>201837118>Unimpressed French women are hot.But you're not hot towards them. In my experience French women basically think and act like men: most want the most standard, conventionally attractive mate possible, and a conniving, antisocial minority want one that makes them feel better about themselves. Psychologically, they just aren't comparable to women in most other countries, I find.Or maybe that's just a Paris/Marseille/Lyon thing. I don't know.>Arthoes as well.Bad idea, anon. You know why.>Out of curiosity: what about other languages and women in USA?Effete coastal "intellectual" Americans basically have it drilled in from the cradle that great nebulous "Europe" is smarter, sexier, and better than us in every way, and taught to scorn other Americans by force of habit. That is where the stereotype of privileged American girls going to Paris and Rome to sleep around comes from. In recent years this fixation has shifted south and these types seem to be going to Spain, Portugal, and Latin America to triple their body counts over Spring Break. The key with these types is to be the right, charming, confident type of foreigner or xenophile, appropriately Americanized in behavior because they are never actually as cosmopolitan as they pretend, but still take care to talk down America and talk up great, singular "Europe" as much as possible to make them feel they're with an expensive luxury product. Better still if they think they can easily discard you.Ct'd in another comment.
>>201837118All of those languages are just as time consuming as German. They may be a little simpler grammatically, but grammar isn't even remotely close to being the grindiest part of language learningNorwegian, Swedish and Dutch are a massive waste of time by the way unless you have a strong passion for them already (you don't, or you wouldn't be asking this question)
>>201837118>>201837691Non-coastal, non-intellectual privileged Americans, the types that grow up in McMansions to become doctors, lawyers, teachers, nurses, office drones, are exactly the college frat stereotype and are generally highly promiscuous within their entirely closed group for four years before settling down and marrying. They value normality and predictability and are very quick to reject outgroupers as "weird." They chomp microwaved salads, listen exclusively to Taylor Swift, and savagely attack any perceived non-conformity. These are actually the most common types of American tourists across Europe, especially London and Paris but even places like Budapest, Prague, and Krakow as the secret of cheap beer gets out. They are the types who will only talk to other Americans while studying abroad. Foreign languages are a turn-off for them because they're "weird" and "why would you do that." Forget foreigners entirely. Also you're likely just out of the race anyway for being uncircumcised.Most flyover Americans are not worth talking about. They think everyone from outside of their hometown is a muzz-lamic terrorist and may not know that languages other than English and muzz-lamic sponish exist. Do not mistake small college town Americans for real flyover Americans: any small town with a "vibrant arts scene," decent Mexican food, and good used bookstores should properly be considered a coastal colony, whatever its actual location.
>>201823657>CrosseyedI can see why she chose the British Accent
>>201837752No, they are not. Some has more regularity, others less. Similar "logic" and less similar. I was more exposed to some and to some less during my life. Also a matter of common vocabulary and customs >Norwegian, Swedish and Dutch are a massive wasteWhy?>strong passionI like many cultures and things, I don't have time for everything I like and I wanted to know some extra pros and cons >>201837691So French ppl are sane, good to know. Arthoes are great friends>they are never actually as cosmopolitan as they pretendI have noticed this in the context of politics. Both the great supporters of Europe and the great opponents of European ideas do not understand how it really works. I blame the poor quality of the media and sensationalism. >>201837992So they are Puritans from the Blackadder with an update, right?But I think you are very harsh to your countrymen
>>201837118meme languages, if you aren't a somalian asylum seeker there is no reason for you to learn them
>>201839744>No, they are not. Yes they are unless you already know a Romance/Germanic (English doesn't count). They're all roughly the same, with German "maybe" taking 10% longer. Your exposure to any of these languages 15 years ago or whatever makes a negligible difference. If "muh time requirement" is a factor, then go learn Czech. You're already 80% of the way there and is probably more useful to you than some absolute meme language like Norwegian or Dutch that you will never use, and when you do use it they're switching to English anywayYou're getting kind of boring asking the same question 50,000 times though like that annoying Arab so that's the last I'm ever saying on this
Dabbling in Korean, starting nowSo far laughably enough Hangeul has been filtering me, I can't seem to remember these some dozen characters no matter how hard I try. Not a real problem as I will no doubt learn them eventually, but it'll take me a very long time until I get to an acceptable reading speed.It seems like some 99% of Korean learners are a bunch of mentally ill freaks who enjoy "K-drama", which I have deemed from a cursory glance to be utter dogshit. There seem to be some places where you can watch a lot of these dramas for free, with Korean subtitles, but winding back to the previous points(shit reading speed->can't read subtitles, dogshit content->can't bear to look at the damn thing), they are worthless to me. Unfortunately these "people" seem to not be interested in engaging with the language in any way other than this, so it's hard to find interesting recommendations for content to go through. There's an app out there for Mandarin where you can go through webnovels on the internet together with an inbuilt dictionary, it would be nice if there was such a thing for Korean. I vaguely remember having read a few decent Korean webnovels a long time ago, in translation.I gave a go at finding Japanese->Korean learning materials since I have heard many times that Korean grammar heavily resembles Japanese, unfortunately I haven't found anything that isn't just an English->Korean source directly translated into Japanese without any form of adaptation, so I think I'll quietly give up on this point. Right now what I'm thinking of is going through Anki and jumpstarting my Korean by going through news written for children using the papago translator to translate text to Japanese(which it seems to have proper support for) and checking the two texts carefully to further my insight. Afterwards I'll start going through native BBS and not!reddit, probably pick up a book on Korean history and force my way through it too.
>>201841231I'm noting down Hanjawhich may seem unnecessary but it helps me because I speak Japanese and Chinese and I'm a huge nerd
>>201841255also Yonsei University's Korean Language Institute makes textbooks, "Yonsei Korean" (which a new version was published recently) and "Yonsei Korean for College Students (which aligns with CEFR, ACTFL, and curricula taught in US universities)
>>201841231There is a very good chance that I'll just give up in a week or two though. My life is going through major upheavals and my free time is poofing into nothing, so having to temporarily give up on all this ambition is a very plausible possibility.>>201841255I've got a hanja focused vocab deck which I'm going through simultaneously with a normal one, I can't really explain it but so far it just feels kind of stupid to bother at all. I would like to learn the Korean readings for all the kanji I know but on the whole hanja just feel "detached" from the actual language to the point of irrelevance.
>>201841231>There's an app out there for Mandarin where you can go through webnovels on the internet together with an inbuilt dictionarywhat's that?
>>201841320You don't have to bother with hanja, a lot of Koreans don't seem to either, but it's still taught and if you want to ultimately do some historical research stuff in Korean then you gotta know some hanjaOnce again I note them down in this vocab list for reference to Japanese. Just don't like typing out kyuujitai as well since Korean never had a hanja reform like Japanese did with kanji after WW2/China did after the commies took over lmaoAlso see book recommendations if you want something with structure from my post here >>201841297
>>201841357Readibu
>>201821948>Ich bin noch nie im Leben auf dieses Wort gestoßen. Hier in den USA nennen wir den Prüfungs-Beobachter in der Regal Proctor.Hatte keine Ahnung, dass "invigilator" britisches Englisch war. Ich habe auch etwas gelernt.>Zur Hauptsache muss ich dir zum Erfolg bei deiner Sprachprüfung gratulieren. Tolle Leistung im besonderen bei der Sprachkomponente.Vielen Dank.>Diese Komponente treibt mich am meisten um, wenn ich mir Gedanken darüber mache, eine Sprachprüfung endlich abzulegen.Ich verstehe was du meinst, aber es ist viel einfacher als es scheint, zumindest was die B2 Prüfung angeht. Du kannst viele Fehler machen, soweit was man dir sagt begreifen kannst. Das Schreiben ist ganz schwieriger, aber da bist du mir weit voraus.Ich habe auch gelesen, dass die Prüfung in Deutschland etwas schwieriger sei. Vermutlich sie fordern ein bisschen mehr von Leuten, die in Deutschland anstatt vor im Ausland leben.
>>201825528Don't most university language courses cap at roughly the B1 level? I'd say it's quite easy to teach any language 2 levels below your level.>>201809652>I checked my old french grammar textbooks and was surprised at how much stuff was in the A2 level, I thought it was kiddie shit but it even includes the present subjunctiveIf French grammar resembles Spanish grammar (which it most likely does), then I'd say that the subjunctive is high A2/low B1 level. To be honest if I ever taught Spanish, I'd teach the subjunctive very early on. When it comes to Spanish, it's not some advanced or niche grammar concept, it's used all the fucking time.
>>201839744Other countries have sensationalism and poor media too. There are close-minded, inflexible people everywhere too, because that's just most people's default state. What is particular to us is the false sense of similarity that emerges from us being the product of European ideas and a European base population but living a different lifestyle rather far away. It leads a lot of Americans to believe they understand what they don't. I don't even think this is unique to us, actually. I've seen Russians and highly westernized Asians experience something similar.
>>201842200What's your TL?
>>201842200discord
>>201839744Also>So they are Puritans from the Blackadder with an update, right?Haven't seen it but yes, core Anglo-Saxon American culture is puritan. That's where we came from.>But I think you are very harsh to your countrymenI'm harsh in general. It comes from having lived many places and been disappointed many times. I am the Byronic hero without the redemption. In a significant sense I'm Onegin.
>>201842200>Download VR chat>Change servers to whatever server speaks your TL>Go to a populated world>Go up to any person/group of people and talk to them in their language and try not to sound like an autist
>>201842176Not entirely, depends on the university. I taught German 101 since it was the first year of my MA, could've taught higher-levels if they were being offered at the time
>>201770239Is my waifu (not the kid you fucking retards) making a small dick innuendo joke at this time stamp? Can a Russian tell me? Hot if sohttps://youtu.be/AlUMYm5YExA?t=438
Anki works wtf
>>201841407Fuck, what do I do?
>>201843110Commit seppuku.You could also use an android emulator on your PC and thus dodge the need for a new phone, but I recommend the former.
>>201843110Just get pleco
i can read the filipino national epic in its original language but filipinos can't
>>201802430confirmed retard. if you fail to use tones you'll make no sense to native speakers. their language is monosyllabic. that's how they get more words than they'd have without tones. look up a guide online about tones you smooth brained idiot.
>>201844606>their language is monosyllabic
>>201844606seethe more retard
I'm starting to feel like Arabic needs a similar approach as Japanese/Mandarin, at least in terms of vocab. I think I'll create two sets of cards, one for word recognition/vocab, and the other for pronunciation (where I would have to guess all of the short vowels). Thoughts?
>>201842176It's the last chapter on the A2 grammar book, so you're spot on
>>201837118Why do you want to learn a language in the first place?I guess you can try with a relevant romance language but there's no point in dutch or scandinavian languages unless you want to move there.
>>201849704Maybe anon wants to read Ibsen, Hamsun and Kierkegaard in the original language
Idk anons>>201842198Oh, it's like Polish "I love America" boomers raised in commie times and pro-Russian millennials in 00'>>201839802Don't bully Scandis. I'm sure the whole migrant problem in Scandi cunts is exaggerated>>201840449I just checked it and apparently there is a big demand for Dutch, Scandinavian languages, but also for Czech as well in Poland. But I'm not interested in Czech unfortunately >>201849704I want to learn foreign languages to feel more, to experience life with greater intensity, to escape the dullness of reality. I crave the escape, to flee into worlds unknown, to give names to the nameless, to describe what cannot be described. I long to touch the hearts of others, to break through the barriers of culture and time, to grasp the beauty hidden in the words of distant lands. I seek the thrill of transformation, of losing myself in a language that reshapes my very soul, and to discover in its depths new pieces of who I am meant to be.>tl;drEscapism and character development>>201851122I do like literature but I am more like visuals guy
>>201851122Perhaps he does, but somehow I doubt it.
>>201851940The 'demand' for dutch and norwegian comes from polish immigrants who need you to translate their documents because they don't speak the language of the country they slave away in. If you want to do that then go ahead.
>>201851940Learn Old Norse
>>201852619Based.When I get a DNA test that confirms that I have scandinavian ancestry(I have nordic phisionomy, tall, blue eyes, blonde hair) that's what I'm gonna do.
>>201852212I don't believe it's just that. I think there must be a corpo-niche for that. But as I narrowed down the pool of lingos, I rejected non-European languages and/or with high unemployment like Japanese and Spanish and Turkish so that I could quickly leave Poland, live somewhere for a year or two, make friends, experience things, and return to my heimat.
>>201852863Yeah, maybe. So you should stick with German, because knowing German would help you learn the other Germanic languages.
>>201846469kill yourself, retard.
>>201770239...and furthermore, I submit that Chechen would be better off romanised.
>>201852863Btw where did you get the data, which languages are high or low employment?
>>201853951https://www.tirsped.com.pl/blog/polska-wymiana-handlowa-z-innymi-krajami/Also:https://www.advance-mk.pl/ciekawostki/jakich-jezykow-obcych-warto-sie-uczyc-aby-byc-konkurencyjnym-na-rynku-pracyAnd:https://goldmanrecruitment.pl/praca-z-jezykami-obcymi/And:https://www.karierawfinansach.pl/artykul/wiadomosci/jezyki-obce-w-bpo-ssc-w-polsce-jakie-zarobki-gwarantuja
>>201854457Thanks>jeśli władamy angielskim i niemieckim jednocześnie – wówczas ani o pracę, ani o zarobki martwić się nie musimyChciałbym żeby tak było.
>>201853793Or just introduce new letters into their existing Cyrillic alphabet. Come on, the Kazakh alphabet is right there, just incorporate it into Chechen (and other Caucasian languages) with some modifications and that's it.
I keep seeing people say American english doesn't actually have voiced stops, and that voiced stops are actually just unaspirated. Is this true? Am I secretly chinese?
>>201857218>I keep seeing retarted people trying to gaslight me.If that were the case you wouldn't tell the difference between grow and crow, so not that isn't even phonemically true
>>201855793Jeśli masz wykształcenie wyższe i zawód ofc. Rynek z niemieckim jest już zsaturowany, ale kiedyś ponoć tak było
>>201857677Those two would still be contrasted, just that contrast would be based just on aspiration (/k/ vs /kʰ/) instead of aspiration and voicing (/g/ vs /kʰ/). It's a smaller contrast but it would still be there
>>201857905Here's another minimal pair: pod vs pot. Final stops are not aspirated in English
>>201858150You could make the argument that the d in pod is just assimilating the voicing of the vowel while the t in pot is just de-aspirated in that position
>150 cards due
>>201857847Na razie studiuje, zacznę pracę za 3 lata. Znając życie języki nic mi nie dadzą, wszystko będzie przez ai robione i sprawdzane przez ludzi z 20 letnim doświadczeniem. Boomerzy zawsze wygrywają, ja znam takich co nawet angielskiego nie znają i pewnie zarabiają więcej niż ja będę.
>>201858679It's the same vowel. The argument is that voicing is the distinctive feature. Stop.
>>201858150Vowels also lengthen before voiced consonants, so that could be what's actually differentiating them in that case
>>201859284>It's the same vowelSure it's the same vowel but a pure tenuis consonant could assimilate it's voicing while the aspirate could defend against it. Not too dissimilar to how "pose" is pronounced with a /z/ but "posse" has an /s/.
>>201859530Sure, you could try differentiating like that. However, to recognize /t/ and /tʰ/ as the phonemes, you would have to specify a lot of rules on when does /t/ become [d]. In contrast, you would need to describe way less rules if you were to describe how does /d/ become [t]. This proves that /t/ and /d/ are phonemes and voicing is the distinctive feature.
>>201856214> Or just introduce new letters into their existing Cyrillic alphabetImagine the wonders of having to get new keyboards that offer said letters... and by the end one'd probably end up with the equivalent of the following:> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_chat_alphabet> Come on, the Kazakh alphabet is right thereAren't they planning on going Latin (like with Azerbaijani, Turkmen & Uzbek), though? All that's needed is to slap on the Common Turkic Alphabet, make a few changes & there you go.
>>201860376>Imagine the wonders of having to get new keyboards that offer said lettersMost Chehchens don't use the language on the Internet, not an issue + they could just make stickers.>Aren't they planning on going LatinIdk & idc, also you're describing the same proposal I did for Chechen.
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Im simping a random French teacher in my cunt https://youtu.be/IqZGFKC-eZ8
>>201863073Never simp
>>201863221But why?
>>201825601Infamously, German is easier for the Dutch to learn than the other way round, to the point that a lot of Dutch people speak tolerable German, but hardly any Germans speak any Dutch. Languages aren't usually symmetrical.
>>201817167>>201818470/djt/ split into /int/ and /jp/ after being banned from /a/ around 2016
>>201864026For some reasons, I think English is one of the most hardest languages for Koreans in general. It's very hard to find decent English speakers even in top tier university.
>>201863313Because you put a woman on a pedestal, you put yourself bellow her and you will get used by her if you do that.
>>201864261https://youtu.be/iuxpmuOh-0kLike this
>>201864261The languages are very different. And perhaps culture also plays a role. See, a lot of Americans are bad at foreign languages, even ones that are close to English. One part of that is the idea that learning a foreign language is a waste of time, or that other languages are inferior, etc. I don't know whether Koreans aren't great at learning languages in general or if it's just English, but maybe it also has cultural reasons? I hope I'll find out when I start my Korean course at the end of the month and perhaps I'll find out more when I go to Korea in May next year. I also hope Korean won't be as hard for me as English seems to be for many Koreans. Hangeul so far has been pretty straightforward. How was the Latin alphabet for you? What's your opinion on it? I think it's not as aesthetically pleasing and uses up more space, but it's ultimately easier to learn and to read, especially on screens.
>>201864758Koreans is a higly Americanized society. They find the alphabet aesthetically beautiful and worship people who speak English well. English education begins intensively from elementary school. This emphasis is so pronounced that there's a common saying>Koreans determine social class based on English proficiency. English is the big part of Korea's well-known focus on education, which often leads us to spend too much money on and stresses. I think without the English education, the take that Korea makes students study excessively will not be the case.Despite these efforts, few Koreans actually become proficient in English. This is largely due to the large differences between Korean and English. I guess these languages differ fundamentally, starting with the very way sounds are produced.The languages also construct meaning differently. Korean typically expresses ideas by moving from abstract to concrete, explaining things in a sequential order. English, on the other hand, tends to build sentences by adding abstract elements to already established concrete concepts. Look at this relpic. I found almost every language structure of Korean and English different in order like that
>>201865652>Koreans -> Korea* (the first word)
>>201865652>The languages also construct meaning differently. Korean typically expresses ideas by moving from abstract to concrete, explaining things in a sequential order. English, on the other hand, tends to build sentences by adding abstract elements to already established concrete concepts. Look at this relpic. I found almost every language structure of Korean and English different in order like thatThat's very interesting, though I have to disagree with the assessment of the picture. English (or most European addresses, for that matter), don't exactly go from smallest to largest unit. If that were the case, apartment/suite number should come first and ZIP code should come before or after city.
>>201864758>One part of that is the idea that learning a foreign language is a waste of time, or that other languages are inferior, etcI'd say it's more the former. The only foreign language you typically ever "need" here is Spanish, but it has a stigma against it so a lot of people wouldn't even want to know it.I've tried explaining to my friends/family why I find language learning so rewarding and enjoyable, and they used to look at me like I'm insane, now they just change the subject whenever I bring it up.
>>201865652>>201866135p>>201866374I mean also (at least Stateside) there can be several cities in different states with the name, so we generalise ite.g.: here's the White House's address (1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest, Washington, District of Columbia 20500, United States of America). There are 88 cities named Washington in the entire United States, thus the only specifier aside from the state/district/territory is the ZIP Code, which even within small places can differ depending on what side of town you're on. It ain't perfect, but it works.>>201866611my mom told me my foreign language fascination is interesting and now I'm going to get a PhD in Linguistics
>>201866374Yeah South Korean usually consider the ways are messed. It's very hard to find any similar features regarding the orders or structures between European languages and Eastern Asia languages.For me, If I have to deal with various vectors, it's better to organize the concepts from abstract to concrete. This approach aligns with the concept of locality, which you'll encounter when studying computer science.
>>201866802My mom told me I shouldn't do things "just to show off"
>>201866915it's for job prospects cause I want to teach at the university level
>>201866915I used to think the moms of States tend to give more freedom to their ones. Actually my mother and father has been always giving me generous freedom and I've never fully understand the friends and news illustrating kinda 'Opressive Parenting'
>>201866802Street number before street name seems so weird to me
>>201867255Controlling parenting would be more natural way in this case
>>201864397>you will get used by her if you do thatI don't know if she knows about his existence.>>201859189Jak tak stawiasz sprawę to trzeba było rozgrabiać majątek narodowy po komunie albo iść do polityki :D. Po prostu chodziło mi o to, że te języki to nie do końca memy.
>>201863073elisa > nelly
>>201867255They do. My parents never tried to prevent me from learning languages, they just act like I'm wasting my time for the typical reasons. "Everyone already knows English, there's no money in it, etc"And when I show proficiency in my TL, they aren't really impressed because it's not a skill they view as interesting..
>>201867502>I don't know if she knows about his existenceI know but simping for her is bad too, he will give her attention online, comment, share her videos, maybe give a donation or subscribe to patron or something and it's also a general life advice. >Po prostu chodziło mi o to, że te języki to nie do końca memy.Nie no wiem o co chodzi, ale mówię tylko że języki ogólnie nie będą pewnie już tak opłacalne jak jeszcze dekadę temu.
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